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There was a time when America was proud of its liberal backbone, and Fix This Nation would have stood proudly beside the most liberal of the founding fathers. Conservatism in those early days meant adhering to the throne, paying taxes dutifully without questioning the nature of political representation, and affixing to a single way of worship that included no room for dissent. If the news and columns of Fix This Nation has been written in that far-away time, you can bet that they would be strongly anti-England, and powerfully pro-change.

Of course, we don’t live in that time anymore. Conservatism and liberalism have changed tremendously, especially over the last century. America discovered the truth of conservatism only when it appeared obvious that she had lost something very important to her fabric. With the attack on Pearl Harbor, the country lost her young innocence and realized that it was no longer feasible to pretend that two vast oceans could fully protect our independence. Big government and big business meant major changes in the way society ran. Nothing could be done about many of these changes, but conservatives wanted to fight for those aspects of society that still meant something.

At Fix This Nation, that’s exactly the fight in which we’re engaged. We fight for small government, traditional values, a strong national defense, and a personal freedom that is being threatened every day by liberal policies. We owe no allegiance to the GOP, we bow before no libertarian master. Their views and our views often coincide, but our hearts will always be with the true meaning of political conservatism wherever we may find it. That should never mean supporting a Republican just because of the letter next to his name.

Just as conservatism has changed a lot since the days of our country’s War for Independence, liberalism is not cloaked in the smooth, wise words of John Locke and John Stuart Mill anymore. It has become instead a passionate argument for the state to care for the individual. Nothing could be further from the vision of our founding fathers than the welfare state proposed by the nation’s university professors, the political correctness that obscures rational thought, and the demise of the American family. These changes do not just weaken the country as a whole; they destroy the very fabric of the flag. Time will indeed tell if America can even survive another fifty years of this kind of liberalism. If it does, what kind of America will it be?

Fix This Nation would like to avoid that bleak future, as difficult as the road back will be. We do not have our heads in the sand, pretending as though things were better in the 1960s when every family had a white picket fence and blacks were forced to drink from separate water fountains.

But evil in one area doesn’t mean that everything about that time period was abhorrent. Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater, in other words. Unfortunately, that baby is circling the drain, and we must do our part to rescue it from the cold abyss. Join us as we take the fight to them.


  • Wolfman

    the easy way for big government to control the American people is through their forced unconstitutional Obama health care enforced by the I.R.S. – – Wake up Americans !!!

    • mtman2

      And the FED owns the IRS(thank-WoodyWilson1913) who’s owned by the Globalist IMF+World Bank. Each American was numbered by FDR and sold as economic slaves(by#) to them at the Bretton Woods Agreement-1944 then the U.N. in 45. WE are run by un-elected agencies and bureaucrats that are obviously unaccountable- but answer to those power players that control the worlds monetary systems- and corporations are children to whom they let play with the ball($’s)

      • lily

        Life is tough isn’t it. Everybody interfering with our freedom. Everybody thinking they
        know what is best for us.

        Well, supposedly, we tell them what we want by whom we vote for. Yes, I want socialized
        medicine. That was the single most important issue for me in the 2008 election.
        And are you really serious about this notion that un-elected agencies and bureaucrats
        are something foul. Do you really think that we should have a vote every time an agency
        appears and then another vote when they make any decisions within that agency. Let’s
        get serious here. Even the little (under 1000) people in my home town weren’t that
        crazy, and wouldn’t have bothered to participate if it did exist.

        And tell me more about those power players who control the world’s monetary systems.
        You sound like a broken record, using phrases we have all heard a million times before,
        but never with an explanation as to what you mean exactly or perhaps with an example or
        two.

        • jreb57

          “Yes, I want socialized medicine”
          Fine. There are plenty of countries that provide just that. Some of them even speak English. Of course you may find yourself paying even more taxes than you do now. You also may find a wait for an appointment..

          • lily

            “Plenty of countries” Every industrialized country in the world. And yes, I expect I
            will be paying more taxes. And I already wait for an appointment on many occasions.

    • lily

      Are you serious !!!! What an idiotic statement.

      There is nothing unconstitutional about the health care bill. The IRS doesn’t
      enforce it. They may help to collect it, but they are not the enforcement agency,
      nor would it matter if it was.

      Let’s talk about what the Obamacare service really is, or will be once we get rid of
      the insurance companies. Once that happens, the costs of medical help will go down,
      medical expenses will no longer be the primary reason for bankruptcy in this country,
      everyone will have access to health care (even those pesky aliens).

      Many of us are awake already. Maybe it is time for you to do some research and
      in other ways get a life.

      • Wolfman

        miss lily, the whole Obama Care bill is unconstitutional as the people never voted on it and the politicians were all progressive liberal idiotic democrats like yourself

        • lily

          Geez. Do you know anything about government?

          When Obama was running for the Presidency, he made it very clear that what
          we today call Obamacare was on his agenda. We, the people, are never
          invited to vote on any legislation. Those running for the Presidency tell us what
          they hope to achieve and then we decide if he/she is the one we want to send
          to the White House.

          If you don’t know this yet, it is time for you to do a little studying.

          • jreb57

            “When Obama was running for the Presidency, he made it very clear that what we today call Obamacare was on his agenda”
            Yes he did, but the thing is some 3000 pages of legalese. Most of the congressmen who voted for it never read it and did not know the consequences. Jonathan Gruber famously said that if people understand it, they will not support it. Obama proclaimed “if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor” Problem is, you might not be able to pay him because he is not in network and not covered by your policy.

          • lily

            They have aides who can do that in a day.

          • GP

            Geez.Do you know anything about the origins of the Health Care Act?

            Slick Willie put wifey Hellary in charge of it in 1993:
            It became her mantra to put her name on a lasting legislation:

            However, barry sotero got top billing in 2008:
            as part of the plea bargain, Hill and Bill agreed to keep their
            mouths shut about barry sotero’s origins
            (background, and funding),
            if Hill got to be SOS.

            Have you read her Health Care Act???? Meant to be implemented
            world-wide (once she got Prez, and installed Bill as Sec Gen
            of UN)

            The RFID to be implemented into humans was in the 300 section.

            Perhaps, before you swallow the Kool-Aid
            and so blindly,
            spew forth the mantra
            main-stream agenda wants you to believe,

            you should do a little deeper thinking,
            and more research.

        • jreb57

          “the whole Obama Care bill is unconstitutional”
          As a matter of fact Wolfman, you are correct but not for the reason you gave. Obamacare provides for a penalty if you do not buy insurance. The government has the power to tax, but not the power to force you to buy a product. Chief Justice Roberts (much to his discredit) interpreted what was clearly called a penalty as a tax.

      • jreb57

        “There is nothing unconstitutional about the health care bill”
        Not quite true. Chief Justice John Roberts in his majority opinion found the health care bill to be constitutional only if the penalty for not having health insurance were called a tax for legal purposes. In th elanguage of the ACA, it is called a penalty. The government may tax, but it may not penalize without due process (a trial). I believe Roberts was wrong to do this. It is the job of SCOTUS to keep the federal government in line with the constitution..

    • lily

      The Obama health care is not any more unconstitutional than the Social Security
      program. Get over it – and be glad you have it. It may keep you from going
      bankrupt. Meanwhile, work to get the insurance companies out of the mix.

      • jreb57

        “The Obama health care is not any more unconstitutional than the Social Security
        program”
        Oh yes it is. Social Security and Medicare is paid for with a clearly defined FICA tax, not a penalty. If you have not or do not pay the tax, you do not get it. That is the penalty. No pay, no play.

        • lily

          The Supreme Court ruled that because it is an FICA tax, it is not illegal.

          • jreb57

            The Supreme Court called what the ACA called a penalty for NOT having government mandated insurance a tax. You do not have to pay the penalty if you have government mandated insurance. If it were a tax, it would have to be a negative tax. As Jonathan Gruber pointed out “if the people knew what was in the ACA, they would not support it.

  • J P

    ‘Big government’ only has power over lazy people who insist, “Let George do it.” Get them off the public payroll, busy earning their daily bread, no?

    • jreb57

      Yes.

  • lily

    Should the GOP fight Obama on gun control? Huh? What would that fight be? From day 1, gun
    control has not been an issue with Obama. The nation as a whole was up in arms after Sandy Hook,
    and some serious rulings should have been made at that time, such as “all guns , including
    those at gun shows, must be sold or given only to registered persons. And that registration must be
    meaningful, which would include signed statements of local police departments and the person’s doctor
    that the person has shown no signs of violent tendencies or other mental disabilities. Another
    requirement should be that whoever is the owner of a gun is at least in part responsible for any illegal
    act committed with it unless the person had reported it stolen before the act took place.

    I am in my 70’s. I have never held a gun in my life, much less owned one or used one. My father and
    my uncles owned guns (make that, one gun a piece), but rarely used them and when they did it was during hunting season or to kill varmints in the the fields.

    This obsession with guns drives me nuts. Is that really what life is all about?

    • mtman2

      And your own lack of pertinent knowledge is graphic in your personal assessment of what is,
      well seen in OUR bigger picture; one you must attempt to bring online for real comprehension
      of what that truly is and to what depth it goes- to be fully considered part of the American ‘phenomena’
      Otherwise you just live here and will remain clueless until you do.
      This isn’t socialist Europe or an elitist statist commie oligarchy, YET ~!

      • Wolfman

        The world has gone nuts so get your affairs in order and God will sort us all out

        • mtman2

          Well Wolf “No man knows the day or the hour, not even the Son” ~!

      • Patriot

        Dittos!

        • Joseph

          O for it. Use mine. I was sitting on it and spinning for almost eight years – you know Nancy and her astrologer did two years for me.

        • lily

          Reagan was a nice guy, but not overly bright.

      • lily

        Huh?

        Why are you saying that I have no pertinent knowledge? Knowledge of what?
        Of the problem of violence in our society? I’ll bet I have a whole lot more than
        you do, because I know what other countries have and don’t have. And Why
        they have it or don’t have it?

        As for your last sentence, did it ever occur to you that maybe we are one of
        the most violent nations in the industrialized world BECAUSE we are not.
        a socialist country. We live in a dog eat dog society and it ain’t making us
        happy. We have virtually the largest spread of wealth in the world – the
        poor who are scraping the bottom of the barrel to the richest people in the
        world who are our particular oligarchy and there is nothing commie about them.

        Write again when you know what you are talking about.

        • mtman2

          That’s correct- you seem to have no pertinent knowledge to comprehend this for your mindset to see it.
          Yes- that is an observation and kindly rebuke- directed in response to your choice of area’s and narratives involved in glorifying foreign concept’s.
          See my redirect is for those that first don’t recognise the need for due diligence in full knowledge of what America’s Founders knew to invent fight for and create such a place mankind has never before seen.
          America giving you the “freedoms in Liberty” to ignore this knowledge by praising other nations while denigrating your own which you do not understand in fullness.

          Point being do this first to get an honest perspective.

          ALL these other nations would not be as they are were it
          not for America but would be speaking German or Russian.
          It is OUR umbrella of safety WE paid for with “Blood+Treasure” and back up still that allows them to experiment in functions.

          This while taking what I’m pointing to all for granted by waay
          to many- as well as the spoiled nations that ignore this great commitment to their safety and security.
          At this juncture your dogmatic embrace of foreign socialist/statism misses the truth of who “WE the People” were meant to be and as well as responsible for.

          This voyeuristic adultry is to often promulgated, succored and embraced by self deceived educators and willingly accepted by many that should know better if honest critical thinking was employed thru the pursuit of full indepth disclosure.

          Fully know your heritage to its depth before allowing cherry picked directives and foreign concepts to be planted in your lexicon as ultimate truth while ignoring the great good to realize and discover “here in Kansas Dorothy- for there’s no place like home”

          Read all the writings of the Founding men and women that gave you America at the price of great struggle and loss by their great Faith, courage and wisdom.
          Not the misguided teaching from some socialist miscreants that misunderstand and even hate what WE actually stand for.
          They are Pied Pipers many have allowed themselves to be misled by to the waters edge.
          To contemplatingly not take that final plunge is my warning to those that may reconsider ~!

          • lily

            I wish you could write better sentences. I don’t know what you are really talking about.

            I know what I would like to see. And I’m seeing less and less of it here. I hope it is simply because
            I am on Disqus too much, but when Trump won I thought I was going to puke.

            I can love America and find what is happening here disgusting. And that is pretty much where
            I stand right now. I’m not interested in reading any more about the Founding Fathers. No matter
            what they wanted or what they may have had in mind, it is the citizenry of today who needs to
            be listened to. And from where I am standing you seem to think that problems will be solved
            with a gun. I don’t. I don’t. I don’t.

          • mtman2

            My sentences are full and in depth to contain all the full force of articulation for those with “ears to hear”.

            Your “standing” on a mirage if you’ve determined to have no understanding of where you came from andthe principles of how it got here. This is why those like yourself are blown around by the winds of diverse mentalies. There is much to know that underlies the very bulworks of where your “standing” and without coming to that wisdom one will continue to be lost- just like the “citizenry of today” = fools for their lack of knowledge. Lazy, ungrateful, dependent sheople- which is the direct opposite of American’s Declaration of Independence.

            The Founders were forced to use their guns is the point as “they” by virtue of gaining the freedom to contemplate true Liberty-invented by thorough knowledge of history what you can choose to take for granted. Thereby losing all they gained and handed you for free.
            We’ve been given the Constitution with the Bill of RIGHTS that guarantee the full value of what Liberty means in its essence.
            To not recognise and pursue it in fullness is true “deplorability”.
            Statist tyrants like Hillary and Obama work to strip us all of the dignity of that Right. Only WE the People can disallow this once it is understood by pursuing full understanding of the structure under us.

            One must have understanding “to be listened to” or the ship will be run by fools- as America has been for over 100yrs.
            Icebergs are ahead for the unwise ~!

          • lily

            I’m sorry, but you try to so hard to sound pontifical, and you miss it by
            a whole big bunch.

            First it is 250 years since our nation was created. The need for a militia
            at that time was quite important, because there was little or no military,
            and there were no police forces until the 1830’s. Meanwhile the
            militia of today are not real big in asking the rest of the country if we want to be protected from the government. They assume that we
            all want what they want, and don’t care if we don’t.

            As you so colorfully put it “This is why those like yourself are blown around by the winds of diverse mentalies [ mentalities]. Would you
            like to tell us why we should all think alike – if that is your message?
            That ain’t going to happen. If we were an island of 50 people we wouldn’t all think alike. We have the Constitution. And we have a
            Bill of Rights. And we have a President who supplies the Court with
            new justices when the others go away. The President is important
            because he/she of course is going to appoint those who are much
            more likely to sway in his/her direction whether that is left or right.

            That is life. Live with it. You can call anyone you want a fool, but
            one thing that you should do is read and another is travel. Do you
            ever go abroad and actually see what is going on there? Do you
            ever read books that might tell you what is actually happening
            politically and socially elsewhere. The US is not the country of
            choice for as many as it used to be. And one of the reasons is
            that we are a dog eat dog nation. And another is that we are a
            dangerous place to live.

          • mtman2

            Your very blinded by dogmatic rhetoric and very little depth of substance from the mentors you’re clinging to. This again is shown by what you say and the loose grasp on what it actually means.

            Try researching history in depth with it’s full meaning’s and value as to how that’s formulated into the actual mind of the Founding men and women. You have much to learn to be speaking of such things with a shallow regurgitation from the Far-Left misrepresentations fed to and swallowed.
            You can do much better.

            You have no real understanding of the reality of “militia” nor the Founding= dig way deeper. Don’t settle for the worthless pablum the Left is selling you anymore- there is much more they don’t want you to grasp or you will awaken and see them for what they truly represent.

            As a younger man I went on “walkabout” to see as many of the last remaining wilderness in North America and backpacked into most of them on both sides of the Rockies from the Arctic Circle to Mexico- including Kodiak Island alone(one of my books).
            My father fought with and fled the communist terrorist’s in Eastern Europe to flee here- mother also(another book, next one on American / European history)
            My personal library is well over a 1,000 books and I’m usually reading 6 at a time along with many publications; done things, seen things and know things most could not imagine and am working on writing several other books as WE speak as well as the above and will talk to my publisher wednesday this week.

            You do sincerely sound as if you cared to know- tho there is much more than you’ve so far pursued and allowed. This is not “pontificating” tho is for the good of all.
            Complete a fuller picture of what is really going on in the world and esp here. Nothing like America was ever considered possible emerging from mankinds long and dark history past.

            If you have a mind to- it is waiting for you to discover.
            See-
            http://www.krisannehall.com. – for starters
            and
            http://www.wallbuilders.com

            They merely research and pass on factual relevance of all you can discover yourself to realise the truth the Left wants to keep you from as per their Globalist bankster masters and care nothing for you or the truth only power and “the love of money”.
            Go forward with an open mind Lily…….we’re not all rubes as the Left instructs you to believe.
            Do challenge yourself to pursue what might change your life ~!

          • lily

            First of all, I have never made the statement that said or suggests that all conservatives
            are rubes. I am married to a conservative and have been for over 40 years. I have a
            great deal invested in this marriage & I plan to be married to him for another 40 or so
            years.

            I went to the Wallbuilders and what I found there was a plea for religious freedom, with
            the underpinning that was as long as it is the Christian religion. And besides the
            obvious, the problem with these people who are pushing Christianity don’t appear to
            me to be Christ-like at all. Certainly a more socialistic society does not sneer against
            the teachings of Christ. Quite the opposite.

            I am the Left. And for you to try to make me believe that it is the Left who are the
            corrupt money people is a waste of time. Some of the richest people in the world are
            lefties – Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Oprah Winfrey – and they are people that I admire
            greatly. But typically, the Right are the money people. Most of Wall Street and the
            big bankers are the Right. This may be the reason why the distance financially
            between the poor and the rich in this country is just about as far as it can get.

            In closing, I will state that History was my minor in college and I haven’t given up on
            studying it still today. I have traveled throughout the world. I have (had) a library
            of about 5,000 books. I’m getting rid of so much of it because we have been
            slowly moving out of the midwest and and spending more time in the south & in
            Italy.

            Most of the Left admire the socialist countries that we find in Europe, and to some
            extent in Japan also. My daughter lived in Japan for two years, and she really
            loved the medical services there. My husband has used medical services in
            France and Taiwan and he loved those too. The Scandinavian countries are almost
            always at the top of the happiness lists. Their taxes are higher, the difference in
            wages between the richest and poorest is mild in comparison to us, they are well
            educated and most can go to college for free if they meet the intelligence requirements,
            they live longer lives, they have smaller infant death numbers, less suicides, less
            crime. These countries are less “Christian” than we are, but they actually live more
            Christ-like lives.

          • mtman2

            Every thing you’ve said shows a conflation of what you think you’re seeing- with what actually is, was and how it came to be.

            Those three people you admire are each shills to and for the Globalist NewWorldOrder. There is no Righ or Left only the truth tho as Reagan stated-
            ” It’s not that liberals don’t know anything, it’s that so much of what they know just isn’t so.”
            Demographically the Democrat party is the wealthier and home of today’s capitol cronyism in spades and the full recipients of stolen union dues donations(from working people) that have broken all semblance of honest and open fair play in the arena of idea’s as well as driven business overseas by their greed and political usurpation of OUR free enterprise system for selfish purposes.

            Again very nation you’ve alluded to owes everything in it’s recent history(100yrs) and moreover to the entire precedence of ideology
            rooted in f”reedoms under Liberty”emmanating from America’s Founding. Your mentored mindset over looks the real heart and meat therein of this platform as foundationally the entry 8n the real world to enlighten them as well as allowed them to freely chose that path by spilled American blood and untold treasure.
            THIS is what identify’s America’s exceptionalism in it’s fullness over the rest of the world’s positions and ideologies. So to be fully fair first things first- this is why I gave you both Wallbuilders+Mrs. Halls sites as they get into this very meat and the heart of OUR Founding peoples grasp of these things- of which I previously directed you to recognise as fundamental in this world WE all now live in.
            *My Android has a virus that inserts a collage of letters and numbers into entire word groups every few words sonI must remember a retype what was already complete thots.
            This is more than annoying and prevents a free flow from my minds eye- just so you might know from this end.

            I’ve lost everything twice including previous large libraries. This one now is a consolidation of what is relevant references and writings I require for my research and studies. Having 5,000 books you should read them- and it would reflect in both your understanding and recognition of others you migut learn from.

            As far as where WE are as a nation and peo0le today is not the direction advanced from the beginning. And this is the very crux of the matter of which I’m mostly concerned with. So called higher education at the hands of foolish non critical thinkers and pragmatic is wotse than useless in common sense and discretionary wisfom is losy esp in light of honest knowlefge acquired by true due diligence. Materialism is a drug in the U.S. as spiritual attainment was replaced by those that directly infiltrated education starting with John Dewey’s progressivism and down from there. Look up the average test questions of an 8th grader in the 1800’s and see that most with Master + PhD’s let alone lower degrees today can not answer= it is a disgrace. The historical understanding and direct enlightened grasp of mankinds nature is only surpassed by the writers of the New Testament(of which they all knew well) and foundationally directed their accumulated wisdoms to where their Faith gave them the courage to venture the “shot heard round the world” that WE the People may understand and receive freely the Providential freedoms under Liberty they gave us. WE are without excuse today with this knowledge at OUR finger tips.
            It seems you somewhat respect your husband and you say he is a Conservative – if so you could learn much from him if your heart and mind is open and have gained ears to hear.
            America has slowly allowed the take over Andrew Jackson fought against and warned of on the power and controlb9f the banking cartels and their owners nefarious plots to control America(read his farewell address).
            However potus Buchanan left Lincoln a bankrupted America and a civil war(all avoidable). Giving Lincoln no choice but to go to these power banksters and since then the U.S. left true Constitutional operations to end up an incorporated creature ending up at Jekyll Island and total monetary + economic control of America. This thanks to Progressive Woody Wilson+Dem congress who shoved it illegally+un-Constitutionally onto America. ie- “The FED” created the Crash of 29 and pushed it into a depression to bring America to its knees so they could install their “chicken in every pot” socialist FDR. He stole everyones gold upon threat of imprisonment(where is it now) numbered and sold each 9f us via SocSec# to the IMF(U.S. owners inc) as debter slave guarantors for their fiat money Ponsi scheme- as he promised to install their U.N. on U.S. soil all while giving “his friend”(his words)Joseph Stalin all he needed and 1/2 the free world to boot. This as a counter-balance to all I above pointed to concerning America’s influence of “Providential freedoms under Liberty” example and message to the world- this with the Globalist installed communist ideology. And so it has ever been- as WE ourselves sank into a socialist/statist quagmire to eventually usher in a OneWorld oligarchy run by elitists like you seem to admire.
            The Dems are the foothold and platform for this however the Repubs have gone along with it. Remember both are private clubs owned and run by unseen monetary figure none of which is Constitutional nor has anything to do with OUR true system- they are all a scam- tho the truth remains pointing to the wisfon, courage and Faith of OUR Founding peoples. Both de Tocqueville and Finney stated that if America ever gaulters or fails- the blame will be it’s preachers. As John Adams stated-
            “The Constitution was written for and can only with a moral and religious people.” George Washington agreed- as did Jefferso, Madison and all of those great minds and hearts that formulated such a nation from knowledge and wisfom WE today can only learn from ~!

          • lily

            “Demographically the Democrat party is the wealthier and home of today’s
            capitol cronyism in spades and the full recipients of stolen union dues
            donations(from working people) that have broken all semblance of honest
            and open fair play in the arena of idea’s as well as driven business
            overseas by their greed and political usurpation of OUR free enterprise
            system for selfish purposes.”

            Would you like to prove that statement. Part of it is an absolute laugh. Especially the
            union dues part. I am not going to argue that one or two very large unions were
            corrupt, at least at the top. Because, within the auto union, the leadership were
            thugs, doesn’t make unions bad or unnecessary.

            Take a look at this site: “http://www.cnbc.com/2011/06/20/The-Worlds-Most-Influential-Trade-Unions.html? And I would recommend looking particularly at the German one. Our union membership has plummeted and it has not made America great again. What some people refuse to accept is the very real possibility that it is
            the CEO’s who are the problem. Would not take a very long search to find figures on
            the spread of wealth between the rich and the poor, unlike any other country in the
            industrialized world. Why should workers work for peanuts with that going on?

            One of the major differences between the left and the Southern right (& my husband
            is not one of the Southern right), is that the right believes that people who are not
            doing well in whatever area has only themselves to blame. And really, nothing can
            be farther from the truth. We do not choose our parents, we do not choose the
            neighborhood we grow up in – and those two things are among the most significant
            reasons why we are what we are when we grow up.

            There was a wonderful book published fairly recently (and I’m sorry but I do not know
            its title, and I’m guessing that virtually no one on this forum has read it), that explains
            this situation thoroughly. He has been advisor to leaders of the world both here and
            abroad. He used as an example the city he grew up in (which was in Ohio or
            Pennsylvania) and followed students through the decades. Once upon a time that
            city was not segregated. The rich and the poor went to the same schools, the black
            and the white went to the same schools. The neighborhoods had mixtures, the
            sports teams had mixtures, etc. etc. The result was that they got to know each other
            and use each other in job hunting and other things that just can’t and don’t happen
            in segregated situations.

            The “right” just don’t bother to find out or care about the “whys” of life. You do or
            your don’t. That isn’t good for anyone. It should not be a survival of the fittest
            world.

          • mtman2

            You should do as you say and hang on to your husband tightly.
            He will keep you grounded- a wise move on your part.

            ALL union leadership are in direct collusion with the Democrat Far-Left who then cater to them…
            The NEA, federal, state and also (county unions in major urban area’s) are super major contributors to Dems..
            MAO’bama catered to GE letting them off with $9 billion tax break and put CEO- Emelt on his administration- just for starters.

            It appears you’ve not read my posts- just as well for it is far past your interest in learning as you’re yet stuck in 1st gear here. I cannot take more time to have it lost by those who will not see.

            Your brainwashed to belief in outcome based education. It was a total failure in functional operation for statist/socialism.

            To really get things right one must learn to think outside the box you’ve allowed yourself to be put in. Everyone does not get a gold star for showing up- nor an A or a diploma+the job. That is a myopically shallow grasp of learning to respect ones self and others and deceives ones own heart as a child to expect favoritism not earned.

            I’m sorry Lily but folks like yourself need to grow up to realise reality is not a pie in the sky utopian fairytale as you keep thinking it is. Life is what you make it from where ever you are not taken from someone else and handed to the ungrateful as entitlement guarantees. This leaves a bunch of spoiled brats that actually believe everyone owes them something= parasites. And this is what many parents are creating out of their children= Far-Leftist adult infants.
            Useless in the real world and hell to live and work with.
            Being raised in a Godly home is the difference not economic station one finds ones self in= choices- knowing right from wrong and choosing Right.
            ie- Dr. Ben Carson, Booket T. Washington, George Washington Carver, Fredrick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan on + on made great choices from living in poverty as children.

            The platform of the Far-Left is deception(as your husband knows) which leads many to self deception- that then gets passed along generationally= entitlementalism from theft of the willing stooges.
            I cannot keep taking time to banter semantics with you if you don’t fully read the hard won information I share with you.

            If your husband is truly a Conservative I’d like him to read all our full dialogues and get his take- that would be fair justice for ideologies sake ~!

          • lily

            There isn’t that much that my husband and you would agree on. His switch from left to
            right came along just about the time that we opened our first office, in early 1980’s.
            It had a lot to do with gov’t requirements for so many things – and in the IT business every-
            thing is regulated. Also he felt (and still feels) that taxes are too high on businesses & he
            might be right because other countries often give businesses much bigger breaks – or so
            it is my understanding.

            People love to work for him. When the going got rough in the late 1980’s he and I took
            the cut in pay rather than the workers. When the medical insurance became too costly
            (he was paying for each employee and their entire family), he pared it down to the
            employee only and then gave each one a raise so that they could cover the additional cost to themselves at least that first year. And I might add here that paying medical insurance was the continuing nightmare in the budget. Our workers have rarely left us to go someplace else. They either had to move for whatever reason or they literally died
            while working for us.

            “ALL union leadership are in direct collusion with the Democrat Far-Left who then cater to them…” Well, that is a very broad statement, and a silly one. Is it a happenstance
            that the left is for the worker? Unions to exist to support the workers. I’ll tell you
            how we got one of our very best workers. He was living on the east coast and had
            been employed for several years in IT company. Then they were asked to train a
            bunch of workers down in Mexico (to do their jobs but that wasn’t mentioned at the
            time). Our guy was bright enough to figure out what was going on and quit on the
            spot. Do you know how many times that has happened? How many times have
            you called an institution and had a person with a heavy accent answer the phone?
            Have you ever called Disney World and had that happen? I have.

            It is my impression that some of these institutions are getting the message and do
            do that so much now. I hope that is true. But whatever. What sort of person snorts
            at a group of people who support workers? Geez.

          • mtman2

            You area lady tho naivel misunderstand unions as they are- not how hey want you to see them.
            1st off- they are NOT run by the workers but by a third self indulgent party that plays all sides but only gives to Dem politicians 95+% with forced(stolen) “union dues” for representing the workers.
            These Dem poliitcians now owe big favors to these union repesentatives, esp to gain more big donationsfor re-elections.
            It’s a pay for playgame on the publics dime and best interest.
            Over time i has become pure parasitism feeding on the American economy for special detrimental interests and contol of entire sectors of American life.
            A shop union run by those that work in he shop is a entirely different thing. But federal, state, county unions ae vying against theri own citizens and have got to where with benifits receive DOUBLE the national average incomes- wih full benefits with early huge retirements w/full benefits they did not earn taking it from the real working and business world via those same D politicians trying to stay in office to get donations from those unions to get re-elected = that’s just wrong on its face.

            The NEA has become a massive leviathan totally controlling education and in the wrong direction as seen in dumbing down students more in each generation.

            Worse they now over run the parents at every level to indoctrinate their children.
            Parenst should decide and vouchers will offer them that right back to them= not the federal bureaucrat’s in DC since 1979.
            I could go on- but if you can’t see what I’ve just pointed out I can’t afford more time to explain what is clear on this.

            It is your and OUR money and OUR children not the “state” or some manipulative union pay fo play 3rd party.
            “WE the People” are sick of it+them and are waking up
            to all the corruption’s. Hopefully it’s not to late.
            It is plain and simple they are out of control.
            It is OUR job WE have ignored too long- to have straightened out.
            t can’t continue and stay solvent- just like your husbands business
            someone mst make the right decisions or you done.
            Then it’s Chapter-11 etc

            ps- The auto bailouts wee specifically to pay the exorbitant etirement benefits of the unions they would have to cutback on had Chapter 11 been done and new viable owners renegotiated the union conracts at reasonable levels. But noooh save the cooked over priced unions-!
            All the non union car companies in America were doing just fine.
            It was the United Auo Workes union(UAW) that broke the two.

          • lily

            Why don’t you prove some of these things you are claiming. My dad belonged to a union.
            Several of my friends through the years have belonged to unions in the public education sector.
            You know one or two unions who are (were) corrupt and you are applying that situation to every union in the country and it just ain’t so.

            And where in hell do you get the idea that teachers and government workers don’t put in a full
            day’s work – and more – and not deserve what they get. Just exactly how do you think that
            this country should look. Everyone who isn’t a manager (or more) of some big company should
            be living on the poor side town? Do you know what poor people do? They don’t buy stuff.
            That means that other people don’t get all their food and products and clothes sold. The
            naughty ones, or desperate ones , steal from others to buy their supplies and maybe a vehicle to drive to work. They take drugs to deal with their disappointments.

            If it were left to republicans like yourself, our country would be far worse off today. Union people know that. That is why the unions give to the Democrat party. The Democrats care about them. And save your crap about how they kiss the butts of the unions to get their
            votes. They run for office (Obama types) because they care about the people in the United
            States. They want the people to be happy and also to look good to other countries. Try to
            deal with the concept that there are people – even politicians who care about the people of
            the United States.

          • mtman2

            Your husband is well. experienced in your not listening well nor considering the facts before spouting off with opinions unaware of the crux of a matter.

            We here have been very patient and curteous to you in this.
            This is why I stated “you have no pertinent knowledge” tho need “ears to hear”.
            You’ve proven you don’t…

            You can read but are blinded to context. WE here can’ t keep spoon feeding you.
            Last time Lily-
            ie- the teachers are not their unions the NEA is a separate entity. They’re the controlling factor and if you actually carefully re-read what I took time out to educate you as to just what is- a normal person could see it clearly.

            The NEA runs the teachers, schools, parents, politicians and children as well as the goverment(via FedEd) concerning them all.
            CommieCore is their creation-
            as well as by OUR commie Fairy in Chief Ovomit hisself who’s never worked a damn day in his life and could care less about “the people” he’s an unqualified idiot with a very fraudulent and sordid past as well as a druggy and “Down-Lo faggot” who hates America with a passion if he even is one legally. He is a bad joke on this nation and WE are now hanging in the balance for trusting such ingrates as he and his wife Michael.
            [Look up Kevin Jackson- a real black American patriot as well as Dr. Carson, Col. Alan West,
            Dr. Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Justice Clarence, Thomas, Crispus Attuks, Frederick Douglas, Booker T Washington, George Washington Carver= real men not lazy commie-organizers]

            THIS is not only wrong but criminal, YOU DISPROVE IT-!
            Are you retarded or what- I gave you the clear scenario and facts- you put 2+2 together research it your own lazy self.
            Who do you think you are to insult me and my clear presentations.
            If you were a naive 12 yr old it would be understandable- but you have no excuse. I’ve now spent many hours on you of my valuable time for nothing.

            “If you can’t run with the big dogs lady, stay on the porch”

            Take your Hillary loving self
            back to Soros funded HuffPo+MediaMatters they love the deaf, dumb and blind.
            You’re a waste of time here.
            Don’t go away mad- enjoy yourself- just hike back to friendly territory they’re happily waiting for you Lily.
            Come back when you grow up ~!

          • jreb57

            “1st off- they are NOT run by the workers but by a third self indulgent
            party that plays all sides but only gives to Dem politicians 95+% with
            forced(stolen) “union dues” for representing the workers”
            I can vouch for the truth of that statement. I was in a union. While I still believe that they serve a useful purpose, they are definitely not grass roots. They mostly serve to protect the political power of the elite. I was involved in negotiations where the management and labor had reached agreement and the union would not agree.to the terms.

          • mtman2

            Huh- that was my whole point of fact= crooked union/Democrat self perpetuating cabal stick working non union American’s with the bills and being played like a fiddle ~!

          • lily

            “I’m sorry Lily but folks like yourself need to grow up to realise
            reality is not a pie in the sky utopian fairytale as you keep thinking
            it is. Life is what you make it from where ever you are not taken from
            someone else and handed to the ungrateful as entitlement guarantees”

            Give it a rest. I need to grow up to be smart like you and treat the
            more unfortunate like you do????? What a joke. It ain’t going to
            happen. There was at no time that I suggested that we push them
            to the head of the class to make them feel good.

            I believe that you told us about your travels through the world and
            the places you have been and they tend to me out in isolation.
            Well, maybe that is where you feel best. I don’t think you like people
            all that well, and maybe we return the favor.

          • mtman2

            Yep- when it comes to idiots + braindead Leftist shills like you,
            most here could “puke”.
            Go Trump-
            treasonous Hillary+rapist husband for life at Guantonimo,
            along with Soros, Ovomit and corrupt company….

          • jreb57

            “Your brainwashed to belief in outcome based education. It was a total failure in functional operation for statist/socialism”
            When I attended school, we had real outcome based education. If you didn’t get the expected outcome, you repeated the grade. Grades were not given for “self esteem”. Sometimes people with low self esteem are right….about themselves..

          • jreb57

            “What some people refuse to accept is the very real possibility that it is
            the CEO’s who are the problem.”
            It is not the CEOs. CEOs can be hired and fired. It is crony capitalism that is the problem. That is why so many of our jobs ship overseas. The tax rates and regulations are more favorable in other countries. If we would just change what we tax and how it is collected, the politicians would have less favors to offer the global companies at the expense of the US worker. Shipping from abroad cost money. When taxes and regulations cost more, companies look to the politicians to create favorable trade deals for them.

          • lily

            CEO’s have been fired, but they get virtually millions of dollars of severance pay,
            and that does not mean the jobs are coming back here. I remember that at
            probably the severest point of the problem, Wall Street people were getting end of
            the year bonuses – because they were expecting them.

            I don’t know how wide spread this is but I learned that the government has started
            putting tariffs on products coming into the country.

          • jreb57

            “CEO’s have been fired, but they get virtually millions of dollars of severance pay, and that does not mean the jobs are coming back here. I remember that at
            probably the severest point of the problem, Wall Street people were getting end of the year bonuses – because they were expecting them.”
            There was a great deal of outrage about that (shared by myself). I don’t believe bonuses should be given for screwing up. They should be given for doing an exceptional job. As far as tariffs are concerned I think it is reasonable to charge a tax on goods made in other countries by US companies where the factories making these goods were shipped overseas. I have no problem with building a factory in say India to sell a product in India. My problem is when you bring the product into this country replacing American workers who used to make the product here.

          • lily

            Ah, at last there is something we agree upon. What I don’t know about the other end of
            this story is whether or not other countries are paying a tariff to buy our products.

          • jreb57

            The problem is that most of “our” products are made in other countries. One way to correct this is to tax consumption and not productivity, or in other words a sales tax instead of an income tax. This would likely garner more income from the rich since they have more disposable income and they tend to buy high ticket items, the big corporations would no longer be lobbying for or getting tax breaks, they would not need them, the government would lose much of it’s coercive power (why this will probably never happen) and crony capitalism would largely be a thing of the past. It would turn out to be cheaper to make the products in this country and not have to ship them a long distance by land or sea. This is our chance to renovate our factopries and make them more energy efficient and hire American workers. We could then sell our products overseas without all of the embedded taxes thereby letting us compete on a level playing field.

          • lily

            You are the shill. Bug off.

          • jreb57

            “But typically, the Right are the money people”.
            You just named three of the richest people in the world ….Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Oprah Winfrey….and called them lefties. Hard to understand that logic. Do you not know what crony capitalism is? Do you know who George Soros is and what he stands for?

          • lily

            “Hard to understand that logic.”

            The three people I named were exceptions. Not all the rich are
            Righties. But I’ll bet you guessed that already. You just want me to
            talk to you.

            Yes, I know who George Soros is and what he stands for. He is
            the guy that helped end communism in the satellite states of the
            Soviet Union. He is also one who supports people and agencies who support people who are not just themselves and their families.

          • jreb57

            Not every one does what they do because of ideology. Most do it for money as does George Soros. Soros does not produce anything. He makes his money betting against markets. Most of his “help” is to groups like occupy wall street and black lives matter. These groups are being used as useful idiots to promote global socialism by spreading dissension and chaos. Global socialism is what former communists call themselves now. Communism essentially ended in eastern Europe when the Soviet Union fell. Soros ran from them because he had gotten too close to the Nazis.

          • lily

            I think your timing is a bit off, by at least a couple of decades.
            Soros was instrumental in the separation of the satellites from the
            Soviet Union, so that it is now back to being called Russia.

            Soros would be one of the last people who would actively support
            communism, particularly Russian communism. The problem here
            at home is that everyone who views all political ideas outside of their
            own “we can do what we want, when we want to” view of society, thinks
            that anything else is communism, and it isn’t.

          • jreb57

            No the Soviet Union fell (economically) in 1990. They had spent all of the Czar’s money. Soros is a global socialist. The problem with globalism is the further away from the people a government gets, the less I trust it. A world government is a world away. The problem with socialist is they always want to spend some one else’s nickel. Communism is international socialism. Nazism is national socialism. The reason the government has such a hard time running an economy is that they do things for political rather than economic reasons.

          • lily

            “The problem with socialist is they always want to spend some one else’s nickel” (sic)

            No. They want everyone to be able to spend their own nickle. And so many people
            in the US can’t do that because they can’t make enough, or often, much of anything.

            I’m not trying to convince anyone out there that there is a possible perfect world,
            system, political party, way of doing things. People are both self-centered and often
            uninformed.

            But we do know what works best if the goal is to have as many people plugging
            along getting through each day and liking it more than disliking it. And being able
            to do a number of things, such as finding the right occupation, and being able to
            make your own mark there, raising a family if that is your goal, making friends,
            enjoying your time off.

            I don’t know why so many people get this idea that people love to live off other
            people. That just isn’t human nature. If someone gets to that point, something
            has seriously gone wrong. It is not someone’s life goal.

            I’ve made the comment before, probably several times, that your whole life wraps
            around the parents you have and the neighborhood you grow up in. I didn’t
            discover that, I didn’t invent it, I learned it through people who make a living
            studying the nature of things – what happens and why. One of the more obvious
            things is that if you grow up in neighborhoods and go to schools and play
            in sports or do other activities without ever getting outside of your own wealth/race
            category, your chances of moving up later in life are very slim.

            Our capitalistic society is at its worst. In Europe they have a healthy capitalism
            and socialism combination. Not perfect, but better than ours is. No one comes
            close to the spread of wealth that we have in this country. The richest of the rich
            and the poorest of the poor. Liberal behavior (giving to the poor & requesting that
            the government do likewise) is particularly critical in a situation like this.

            If we start out at a different level, rather than dog eat dog ideal we seem to have
            today or at least is the favorite of the rigid Trump voter-type conservatives, we
            would have a happier and more productive society.

            It is true that the more multi-ethnic a culture is the more difficult that becomes to
            bring about. But I think that we should keep a couple of things in mind, just to
            be honest with ourselves. We took over a land that was already inhabited by other
            ethnic groups. And we brought over our slaves literally by the boat loads for at
            least a century and a half. And with those things in mind, it behooves us to find
            out how we can clean up the crap left behind from our previous errors, and fix it so
            that we can all live better lives. It ain’t gonna be easy, but it needs to be done.

          • jreb57

            “I don’t know why so many people get this idea that people love to live off other people. That just isn’t human nature”

            You are demonstrably wrong on this. I am currently involved in a situation involving people who have opportunities to succeed that I never had but just can’t seem to make the one small step needed to be independent no matter how much they may say they want to. This is personal experience and is painful because it involves some one you care about. I don’t blame any one for the situation, it is a lack of personal responsibility. I will only say that the contributing factors are fixable but so far have not been addressed. I might add that providing financial support in terms of money has not improved the situation in terms of self reliance. Human nature seems to be to pursue life, liberty and happiness and except for life, those things have different meanings for different people. It would seem that when people reach their comfort zone, they usually do not put forth any extra effort. The problem seems to be that some are not willing to put forth enough effort to reach their own comfort zone and when some one helps them they get used to and are satisfied with the level of comfort they have. I don’t think it is the job or the right of the government to decide what that level of comfort should be.

          • lily

            “I don’t think it is the job or the right of the government to decide what that level of comfort should be.”

            It doesn’t. There are the basics that we assume everyone needs if they are going
            to make anything out of their life. Food, housing, education. And except for the
            education, the other stuff tends to be given by socially minded people rather than
            the government – unless you are the caretaker of a child, a disabled person, or the
            elderly. In fact – correct me if I’m wrong – military people don’t get free college
            except in a couple of States, Illinois being one of them. I thought that was a given to
            all of those who enlist, but my son said that was not the case. Only 3 or 4 States
            give them that, and it was the state, not the feds who gave it to him. Consequently,
            he was limited to public colleges within the State, but his wife got the benefit too,
            even though she didn’t live in Illinois until after she mustered out.

            The state pays for a lot of rehab stuff – mostly alcohol and drugs. And they spend a
            lot of money on jails. There is also a Federal Unemployment Insurance, though I
            kind of think that is taken out of the paycheck. It covers a limited amount of time,
            and the time was expanded during our financial crisis. If you want to know about
            the Food Stamp situation, try this spot: http://www.justharvest.org/advocacy/the-truth-about-snapfood-stamps/

            You really need to get over this idea that there is a vast group of people out there
            just happily taking advantage of you and your tax money. You will find those, but
            the majority are people who struggle, who live out on the street, who rely on food
            banks and church basements to get through their day. Imagine if you had spent
            some time in jail for some offense – stealing stuff out of a store, drug usage,
            whatever. Do you know how very hard it is for them to ever get a job again. Most
            companies will not consider it. When I am living in Illinois I have just such a person
            working for me, doing yard work, cleaning the house, doing some paint jobs.
            She can’t find a job elsewhere, even after graduating with honors from the local
            junior college. There are a whole lot of people who just want those people to
            disappear so they do have to deal with them – or perhaps to struggle with their
            conscience.

          • jreb57

            Food housing and education are basic needs. To get them you need a job. That way you can make those decisions for yourself.

          • lily

            What do bankers produce? what did my dad produce? (he was a truck driver)
            What do media people produce? What does Rush Limbaugh produce? What does
            Oprah Winfrey produce?

            The question about Soros is not so much about what he “produces” as is what he
            does with his money. Those of you who can stand the idea of helping others will
            bellyache about Soros and Winfrey and their sort. I find them admirable. I have
            to confess that I don’t know much about Soros, except his background as a nominal
            Jew in a worn-torn part of the world where being a Jew (nominal or not) was a very
            dangerous business. For that matter, I really haven’t a clue how Winfrey got as rich
            as she has. But I do love what they are trying to do for the world now.

          • jreb57

            “What do bankers produce? what did my dad produce? (he was a truck driver)
            What do media people produce? What does Rush Limbaugh produce? What does Oprah Winfrey produce?”
            A service. Some produce goods. Others produce services. Soros produces chaos when he funds groups like black lives matter and occupy wall street. It would appear that he wants a global government sort of like what Stalin had only without Stalin.

          • lily

            Well, perhaps your take on Soros is colored by your unhappiness with liberals. I
            don’t know very much about him, except that he is the one that keeps being mentioned
            when it comes to political donations – as if Republican money makers don’t contribute
            to their side of the game.

          • jreb57

            I don’t consider George Soros a liberal. Liberalism to me meant a wide amount of tolerance for other people and other ideas. This is clearly not the case with some who call themselves liberals. My take on George Soros is that he is a socialist. I do not know whether he is a national socialist or an international socialist. I suspect the latter. My complaint with Soros is that he seeks to use his power and wealth to push leftist (not liberal) agendas which have the effect of being extremely divisive. Whether this is intended or not (I believe it is) makes little difference. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. My unhappiness with liberalism is that sometimes they tolerate too broadly for no good reason whatsoever. The latest example would be supporting Barack Obama simply because he would be the first black president rather than examining his leftist ideology. I do not have a problem with political donations as long as they are limited so as not to give the wealthy an undue influence. This is a conundrum that is tough.to crack.

          • jreb57

            “Most of the Left admire the socialist countries that we find in Europe, and to some
            extent in Japan also”
            If the socialist countries that are so admired paid the full cost of their military instead of depending on NATO and paid their share of the UN budget, they would not have the money to spend on their social programs. That includes Japan who while they do not depend on NATO, was heavily subsidized by the US after WW2 and depends on US military to a large degree to defend its territory.

          • jreb57

            Would you be happier if Hillary had won? Or Gary Johnson? Or Jill Stein? If you did not vote you have no basis for complaining. If you voted twice you belong in jail. BTW Hitler was solved with a gun.

      • lily

        My pertinent knowledge of WHAT? If living and thinking as you do to be
        considered part of the American phenomena, I’ll take a pass.

        I may just live here, but I’m doing fine. I don’t want to be you. I like being
        me.

    • Patriot

      I don’t think it’s as much about guns as it is about our 2nd amendment right.
      I like your relatives have hunted for sport as well as food. Most importantly,
      to protect my family and community from an out of control government, much
      like we have now. It’s our right as well as our duty to tear down a tyrannical government and
      replace it. Lock & Load and be ready.

      • je_proteste

        Now that’s funny. Your pathetic guns would stand up to the government’s weaponry. Did your comment time-travel from 200 years ago? You couldn’t hold out against the police, never mind the feds. Hey, you couldn’t hold out against a gang just as easily armed as you without gun control. Hey, no one’s demanding that you spend all the time and effort to join a ‘well-regulated militia,’ as the Constitution gives as the rationale for the citizenry to be allowed to continue to own guns. (And in the ‘Wild West’ you had to leave your guns with the sheriff upon entering town. That’s real history.)

        Wake up! The Republicans are the ones who want to force everyone into group think. And your jobs are being offshored by the bi-/ non-partisan neoliberals (neither new nor politically liberal). Who was for NAFTA? Clinton – and more Republican than Democratic support in Congress. Now that we know how disastrous NAFTA has been for most American workers and the country as a whole (trade deficit) – but great for corporations – who’s for TPP? neoliberal Obamanable – and mostly just the Republicans in Congress.

        Who’s in favor of low wages? Most Republicans, plus neoliberal Democrats* . And not just the minimum. When the minimum wage rises, all wages tend to rise. Who’s against unions? Republicans. Whether or not you’re in a union, unions tend to have positive effects on most wages. And they brought you the 40-hour workweek and overtime pay. Republicans want to undo all that. Instead of returning to tariffs, which worked very well, they want to ‘fix’ the problem by lowering American wages. Not with tariffs, such as other nations use (by different names) or by fixing the tax breaks for corporations that offshore jobs, or by putting any of a myriad of controls on out-of-control corporations – or by breaking up the trusts like old-fashioned Republican Teddy Roosevelt. No, the worker must continue to sacrifice an increasing portion of his pay while the CEOs of major banks and corporations and banks (including the ones that would have brought down the world’s economy had they not been bailed out by the workers) walk away with more pay in a week than the workers will in a lifetime. Who supports this? Far more Republicans in Congress than Democrats.

        This nation was founded by left-wingers, including some ‘radicals.’ And please don’t tell me about the parties in Lincoln’s era: the roles have reversed. Except that, instead of enslaving one race, the Republicans want to make us all wage slaves. Did you hear Trump? Lower the minimum – which would lower all wages – so we can reach wage parity with other countries. Can you live on $3-4 dollars an hour? And that wouldn’t be the minimum. Ask professionals about H-1B visas. And workers from more sectors of the economy can just as easily be replaced. If they can’t offshore your job, they import cheap labor from India, etc.

        Don’t let the flim-flam men/ women fool you: the rise in taxes most Democrats are looking for won’t come out of most of our paychecks. Most of the rise won’t even come out of the income the entire top 1%. They’ll come from the income of the top .!%. Is that you?

        And don’t let those same flim-flam men/ women pull the high taxes crushing Northern Europeans. Doesn’t happen. One of my friends is a physician. No poverty in his household. He fled the American medical profession (completely different story) by emigrating with his family to Sweden. He makes a bit less, pays a bit more in taxes. But he and everyone else pay much less in out-of-pocket costs: health care/ health insurance, prescriptions, child care, after-school programs, university/ trade school, elder care. And unlike him, those in lower income brackets than physicians tend to make more, beginning with minimum (which is a living wage) and going through skilled labor, many managerial positions, etc. Don’t let the Republicans and neoliberals mislead you. Talk to real Northern Eurpoeans (especially those whose countries steered clear of the euro, and still control their own currency) or the Central Europeans. What’s wrong with expecting people to work – BUT with decent wages and hours? I wish I’d gotten out of this neoliberal hole when I had the chance.

        * When referring to Republicans and Democrats, I mean R and D politicians/ office-holders, not necessarily voters.

        And this is a b.s. site, quite possibly one of many paid for by the anti-American and anti-American-people Koch brothers or someone else of their ilk.

      • lily

        “to protect my family and community from an out of control government, much
        like we have now. It’s our right as well as our duty to tear down a tyrannical government and
        replace it. Lock & Load and be ready.”

        Thanks, but if you come to my community to protect me from my government,
        I’ll put my gun against YOUR chest.

        • jreb57

          Thought you said you did not have one and did not know how to use one. Be careful. You may end up shooting yourself.

          • lily

            I pretty sure that I have a good idea where you get your “manhood.”
            It doesn’t seem to have much to do with kind of person you are or
            how you can help society. But you do feel like a man when you are
            armed. Is that about right?

            I warned by daughter about men like you.

    • Patriot

      Gun Control? It’s been his goal since before he ran for president.
      His other goal is destroying this Country and it’s Constitution.

      He is quoted as saying that he doesn’t believe anyone has a right to own a gun.
      He’s bee working behind the scenes with the UN’s Small Arms Treaty. He has always
      associated himself with Marxist, Commies, Homosexuals, et. al. I suspect you know
      very little of the Usurper in office. Or how he’s loading our government with Anti-American
      Muslims, criminals and Homosexuals such as himself. He calls himself a Christian but there’s
      plenty of evidence to the contrary.

      • Joseph

        Time to double check Patriot’s meds. He may have gotten his pills mixed up with the dogs mange medicine again.

      • tedicrawford

        Your outrageous rhetorical statements have nothing to do with any reality I can find. (Citing your source materials would be helpful.) Meanwhile, spouting hate contributes nothing to today’s discussion. What is your vision? It seems like one of armed confrontation based on minds firmly closed to any meaningful discussion of anything! Your abuse of the word “Patriot” is despicable (and insinuates your racism and other prejudices)!

        • lily

          Thank you to you and Joseph for your very important replies to “Patriot”. I had been in the process of writing a lengthy response and
          somehow it all got lost. I was dreading starting over again and then I
          read the responses from the two of you and decided you had sort of
          wrapped up things without being so “wordy.”

          • jreb57

            When some one promises “fundamental” change to the government, he is talking about the constitution.

      • lily

        Write again when you can write something intelligent.

    • babbott

      You lost me at the word “registration”. There is nothing in our founding documents that calls for registration of guns or people. Why would everyone who wants to buy a firearm need to have the permission of the local police department or a physician? Ridiculous! Our right to “keep and bear arms” had absolutely nothing to do with hunting or varmint killing. That is just propaganda spread by those who like yourself would disarm law-abiding citizens. When the government disarms the gangs, thugs, and criminals walking the streets, then we can talk about gun laws.

      • lily

        No one says that if you jaywalk, you can be arrested either – in the
        Constitution. But you can be. Find a better argument.

        As for requiring registration, again, we require it of using cars. It would be
        at least important to require of carrying a gun.

        • mtman2

          Horse+buggies, carriages, wagons etc are not needed to be Constitutional for-
          “certain unalienable Rights” .
          They’re a given.
          Being free to own+bear arms is however.

          If you don’t understand why then learn why- by reading what the Founders stated as to why.
          Don’t keep blathering on like you do- being too lazy to have a clue. This should preclude you from bothering folks that do…. all these things are out of your league at your level of understanding ~!

        • jreb57

          You have the wrong concept of our constitution. It does not give you rights. It gives the government certain limited rights that are needed to govern. All the rest of the rights are to the states or the people (10th amendment) The right to bear arms is specifically mentioned (2nd amendment) because it is important as a means to protect yourself and your property. The police are law enforcement. They do not have the manpower or funding to provide personal protection for each individual.

          • lily

            Let’s see. “It (our constitution) does not give you rights” BUT “the rights are to the
            states or the people.”

            Just which one is it. Actually the Constitution gives us many rights. And the Supreme
            Court decides if those rights are interpreted properly or not should any one question
            them.

          • jreb57

            No, our rights are god given and inalienable. The constitution is supposed to protect citizens from government overreach. That is known as Federalism. The only rights or power required by the government is what is necessary to govern with as little restrictions as possible. The job of the supreme court is to decide if laws are constitutional and not whether people have rights.

          • lily

            God didn’t give us that many rights. I know that one of the
            founding fathers (Jefferson?) said that, but actually God talks a whole
            lot about our responsibilities, but not so much about our rights.

          • jreb57

            That is my point. Rights and responsibilities go together. That does not mean the government can take away your rights because some one else was not responsible.

    • jreb57

      “This obsession with guns drives me nuts. Is that really what life is all about?”
      No, guns are about self defense. The police are law enforcement, not body guards.

      • lily

        If you feel, and have reason to believe, that you are in danger without a gun
        close by, then have one. I suspect that terror is way overblown, but I’m sure
        that in many cases it is not.

        I do not feel in danger. I live in a nice neighborhood (two of them), I rarely
        lock the door, day or night. And I don’t live in a gated community or any
        place that would be darn near impossible to break in if someone wanted to.
        The fact of the matter is that most people in most neighborhoods will never
        face danger. So why live as though it will.

        If you want to, go ahead. But don’t try to make it sound as if we all need to
        act like you to be either safe or sane.

        • jreb57

          It is about freedom and responsibility, not about government regulations. No one would compel you to defend yourself or have a weapon. The idea is to make the government respect the constitution.

    • jreb57

      “This obsession with guns drives me nuts.”
      Not much of a drive. More of a short putt.

  • The sentiments of this site are laudable, BUT it seems there is lacking hard reasoning behind them. Yes, EVERYONE WANTS TO FIX AMERICA, including the Liberals you rail against, but FIXING has to be specified and defined in far more substantial detail than is evident from what I have seen here. Just a couple of examples: You seem to say nothing much about our two greatest problems. 1. Our low birthrate among Conservative Believers, and 2. our dismal record or organizing OUR people in each and every precinct. Plus we need a Plan For Conservative Believer Victory that seems not to exist anywhere including on your site. Other than these observations I love your site. I have much more to say, but this is just for openers if you don’t mind. BTW,

    I attended CPAC this year as usual, and they, and all our other organizations, have exactly the same defects, which defects cause us to continually take one step forward and two backwards for the last 80 years. We win these little battles, and feel all cheered up, but are steadily losing the war overall. This not because our enemy is so strong, but because we are so weak and ill advised in our strategies and tactics.

    • jreb57

      What we really need is “common sense”. Unfortunately, common sense is not so common after all. If it were more common, people would not expect to live at others expense.

      • lily

        You are real big at blaming the other guy, aren’t you.

        Have you every asked yourself, seriously, why things are the way they are.

        • jreb57

          Things are they way they are because there is little personal accountability.

        • jreb57

          “You are real big at blaming the other guy, aren’t you”
          That would be Obama blaming Bush for the relatively peaceful (to now) situation in Iraq and for the financial crisis in 2008 caused by the community reinvestment act and a series of de-reghulations culminating in the repeal of Glass Steagall during the Clinton administration.

          • lily

            Well, first of all Obama wasn’t blaming Bush for the financial fiasco. Obama supporters were blaming Bush. And rightfully so. Though Bush was not the only one who played a part in it. Obama is pretty low key when it comes to blaming others for anything.
            You know: “make friends, not enemies.”

            But going into Iraq was one of the stupidest things we have done in a long time. And
            if anything blew it for Bush, that was it. But it wasn’t the dumbest war we have ever
            had. That would be Viet Nam. One of the five countries, mentioned earlier, that is
            a communist country is Viet Nam. How many thousands of our citizens died over
            there – for nothing, except to get their name on a beautiful wall in Washington DC.
            Incredible.

          • jreb57

            The Vietnamese used the Russians as “useful idiots” to rid their country of European colonists. They considered us to be European proxies and they misjudged our distrust of communism. The Russians got involved because the Vietnamese did not trust the Chicoms…

      • lily

        What does this “If it were more common, people would not expect to live at others expense” have to do with FounderChurch’s post at all. Other than the
        fact that it gave you yet another opportunity to whine about giving and helping –
        at your expense.

        • jreb57

          What it means is that people with common sense don’t depend on others to support them.

          • lily

            “What it means is that people with common sense don’t depend on others to support them.”

            That is almost completely an incorrect statement. A whole lot of people depend on
            others to support them, in various ways. And they aren’t creeps. Children depend
            on parents or parental substitutes to support them. College students usually
            depend on parents to support them, if they go directly to college from high school.
            I didn’t have to do that because back then I was able to completely pay for my
            tuition through government-backed school loans and paid my living expenses through
            a part time job. You can’t do that today.

            In marital relationships nearly everyone depends to some extent on the other for
            support, and in many cases, financial support needs are pretty close to 100%.
            Disabled people (whether physical or mental) rely on others to help them. And the
            elderly often need help and sometimes constant care also.

          • jreb57

            It is not reasonable to expect that some one else will support you. A partnership is much different than a dependency. Common sense should tell you that you came equipped from the factory the same way every one else did. Use it and quit voting for the people who are sending your jobs overseas

      • lily

        ” If it were more common, people would not expect to live at others expense.”

        What in heaven’s name is your problem. Do you really think that most people
        who aren’t, for one reason or another, thriving in this world are happy about
        that? Get some common sense. People WANT to be worth something.
        They WANT productive lives. Try to understand that.

        • jreb57

          “They WANT productive lives.”
          Some of them do. Of the ones who want productive lives, most of them make it. More would make it if jobs were not being constantly shipped overseas. There are no guarantees, but elections do have consequences.

        • jreb57

          “What in heaven’s name is your problem.”
          At this stage of the game it is mostly the government. This is the entity that drew up the treaties, passed the taxes, and created the regulations that resulted in jobs being outsourced and energy production being stifled.

    • lily

      The problem is not the low birthrate among Conservative Believers, because the
      world isn’t getting bigger. The problem is that there is too big a birthrate among those
      who live in the middle of the desert, then migrate over here. One can hope that
      as they come over here, we can convert them. But that seems to be quite unlikely
      because the Conservative Believers seem to have a proportionately higher rate of
      vehemently hating the Muslims and trying to refuse to let them in.

      • jreb57

        Letting the Muslims in didn’t work too well for the European countries.

        • lily

          Several countries have had incidents. France has had the worst
          of it, as far as I know, but then France was the country that
          colonized Muslim countries back in the Empire building days. I
          guess some figure it is payback time now.

          As for the rest of the troubles, if we are hearing about all of them,
          there just isn’t that many. And there will be even less if the countries
          catch on that to let young men into the countries unaccompanied
          by families is asking for trouble.

          • jreb57

            “France was the country that colonized Muslim countries back in the Empire building days”
            You would think that they should have learned their lesson by now. Remember Vietnam? That was a French colony. Has no one noticed that the former French colonies are usually the ones who have the most trouble?

        • lily

          Some day, when I have more time, I will show a whole series of quotes from the Koran
          and the Hadith that say a whole lot more than “spread Islam by the sword.” There
          are essentially 3 different types of commands about dealing with people outside the
          faith.

          One type is very peaceful. It is inviting them to join and hope that they do. Sort of
          like the way we do (or should) go about inviting people to the Christian religion.

          The second is that if they are living in the land, but are not Muslims, they can go about
          their own business if they pay a specific tax to the rulers of the land.

          The third is more aggressive, which includes fighting them.

          You can find that in our Bible too. Did you know that? Or don’t you care?

          • jreb57

            They have given us a clue how they feel about “infidels”. Were you not paying attention?

    • There is no other post worth replying to on this thread, so I’m replying to my own post. Pitiful!. Type in “FounderChurch” and read my 3000 teaching articles and educate yourselves, before you all end up in hell. TRUMP 2016-2024+

      • lily

        If you are advising me to read your 3000 articles so that I too can figure out
        why anyone would vote for Trump, you are wasting your time.

  • Daniel Sloughter

    Are you people NOT paying attention? For Obama, this Gun control issue
    has never been about “guns” and only “control”…… Disarming the
    “Law-abiding” public does not and has never made this country or any
    other “Safer”. This is a “Historical FACT”. And will never change!
    Imposing gun control laws on a law abiding public has NO effect on
    “Criminals”….. Because they are “CRIMINALS!”. And therefor LAWS do
    not, and have never applied to them. And so by limiting the ownership
    and use of firearms to the general public. These “Gun Control Laws” do
    not help or in any way make it safer for the general public. They in
    fact only serve the criminals. So by Obama promoting such laws, he is
    only promoting violence and aiding criminals! Period!

    • mtman2

      Once disarmed(if that could happen) – WE all would see their true colors and identities to the shock of the flock of foolish sheople- worldwide.

      America- with Americans holding unto true Americanism’s- aka- Scripture and arms(as BHO mocked) are literally ALL that holds back the final implementing stage of the prophesied elitist oligarchy by the Globalist money-changers to corrupt all other systems thru greed for wealth and control of the whole of mankind.
      “WE the People” have been played like a one sided chess game by an “Useen Hand” and lulled by a Pied Pipers song to the waters edge for the “final solution” = all aboard to cross the river Styx.

      And NO- the perfect DNA + perfectly ordered material elements of this dimension did NOT create themselves- “accidentally”.
      LIFE- is a miracle and OUR Rights per OUR foundational Declaration of Independence allude to these “certain unalienable Rights” coming from “the Creator” who doesn’t operate out of DC.
      These concept’s were finally and reluctantly shoved down the throats of those that enslaved us- upon who’s kingdom in this world the sun never set- this was done by farmers, shop keepers, preachers, politicians, factory workers, blacksmiths, mill workers, laborors, trappers, tradesman, fisherman, boatman, sailors, carpenters and loggers- most all in a Protestant congregation as was thepreacher and his 80 congregation members at Lexington on the green to fire “the shot heard round the world”
      WE should endeavor to never forget it; as these were a very wise, courageous and Faithful people that fought for- invented, transformed and gave us America ~!

      • lily

        “America- with Americans holding unto true Americanism’s- aka- Scripture
        and arms(as BHO mocked) are literally ALL that holds back the final
        implementing stage of the prophesied elitist oligarchy by the Globalist
        money-changers to corrupt all other systems thru greed for wealth and
        control of the whole of mankind.”

        You really do see yourself as some sort of philospher, don’t you? Wow.

        Our true Americanisms are Scripture and arms. (neither of which BHO mocked). Let me see. The founding fathers were all considered to be
        Christians, even though several of them thought that the Bible was more
        mythical than the TRUE WORD. And there was little agreement between
        the Protestants, Quakers, and Catholics.

        And, just because you seem to be the person who holds the truth in your
        hand and your heart, why don’t you give us some explicit examples as to
        when BHO mocked either our Scripture or our military.

        • mtman2

          I am sorry Lily- you just don’t know enough to keep up with what is being said and once time is taken out for you you stay in a lo-info bubble to shield yourself from gaining insight’s as well as humility in recognizing this. Intelligence is one thing actual knowledge and understanding another. *Intelligence you do have- tho the serious efforts in due diligence to understand more than a surface grasp you don’t. Whether you realize it or not this is the case.

          I’ve indicated before people must spend the endless hours it takes to uncover the depth of things in fullness. Like diving deep it takes built up lung power over time to reach those depths to see down there. Guessing or pretense will not bluff your way there. The modern Liberal chosen view lacks so much that requires critical thinking skills as to be far and away out of touch with reality as it is, was, can become and why.

          One must broaden ones search greatly to see this- it is a choice to do so. Endless sparing cannot help those who cannot or will not see. I know of what I speak and will not take more time if intentionally missunderstood for poor lung power of others part nor willingness to learn.

          Life is to short to just spin ones wheels at the starting line. I will share and teach but not argue irrelevance to waste time. All this information is out there to consider on ones own by broadening ones own horizons first to be perceptive.

          Well rounded is well received- tho eventually choices must be made intellectually at the divergent crossroads on that long journey.
          Sometimes it is best to move on rather than stand still to long.

      • jreb57

        “Once disarmed(if that could happen) – WE all would see their true colors
        and identities to the shock of the flock of foolish sheople- worldwide”
        Yes. That happened in 1917 in Russia and in 1932 in Germany. Russian communism figured out that there was a better chance of spreading communism throughout the world by sowing division in the US and using that division to pus the government to the left rather than use direct military action. It should also be noted that both China and Russia oppose the current leftist effort to establish a world government. That is because it is not their brand of global socialism.

        • mtman2

          To take that further is to realize these very ideologies were backed and promoted by the Globalist “money changers” and their financial backing +/or enhancement.
          Specifically to both undermine and offset Americanism’s basic message free-enterprise and “freedoms under Liberty” so lo-info weakminded shills will be added to the flock of corraled sheeple’s for the end goals as prophesied.
          Question is how long can WE put it all off by OUR much needed Awakening ~?

          • jreb57

            What is wrong in this country is no longer a question of liberal vs conservative. It is a question of individual freedom and responsibility vs conformity and entitlement.

          • mtman2

            Cure= vouchers so folks can send their children to schools that teach OUR 3-Founding documents and actual American history as well as understanding and testing on the writings of OUR Founding peoples.
            This so Founders quotes are second nature.
            Of course these schools where Scripture is basic to learning
            as it was for the Founders. All great intelectual minds in history knew the Scriptures as part of learning- it can only help them.

            Or folks can choose a commie school etc.
            Only schools that attract parents get their vouchers- hence stay operating.
            Further the best academically inclined schools will get grants to colleges for there superior students and schools that suck will go broke for lack of parents vouchers.
            And this same principle will negatively affect higher learning institutions as parents shun those that suck and they go broke.
            It’s a win win deal ~!

          • jreb57

            Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I attended school, the teachers were no nonsense people. They taught reading (comprehension), writing (the ability to express yourself) and arithmetic (the ability to balance your checkbook). It is evident that these abilities are lacking among the general population today. Today education might as well be called indoctrination.

          • mtman2

            Well the Flintstones were nice people.
            Yes “indoctrination” w/PC mindcontrol.
            All this minus common sense ~!

  • Joseph

    So basically you are bunch of tea-baggers trying to con progressives into associating with your repackaged stupidity. Right. I got it now and will share it.

    • jreb57

      Progressives come pre-conned from the factory.

      • lily

        I know. That is why we are so progressive. Because we don’t know what the heck we
        want or what we are doing.

        • jreb57

          Oh you know what you want. You just want some one else to pay for it.

          • lily

            I’m sorry, but I would be that I pay a whole lot more into the system
            than you do.

          • jreb57

            I have paid and am paying quite enough. Some pay nada. I do not wish to get into a contest to see who pays the most. I would just like to fix it so that everyone pays something.

  • Peter Mumford

    Your articles have no bylines and your About Us page says nothing about you. Anonymous news huh?

    • NoMoreMB

      Oh fer crying out loud snowflake, you can find out all about them quite easily, you can read, right? You can google right? Grow up.

    • freesha

      I too entered this site to find out more of what and who they represent, Lo and behold, it’s another Right wing rag

    • CAM

      I too sought, and discovered, the same — nothing, phssst, schizzle…clear :SPOOK SITE!!!”

      Truth be told, intuition renders clarity, for what else would “O’n So” have the formerly employed WH aides/staffers/tenacious “clingers-to-the-dream” doing but scurrying about running a propped up “shadow-site” for their new/old “shadow-replacement-candidate,” MiO . . . ha, as if !!!

      Genuinely the first transparent initiative of the outgoing Admin, just 8.1578 years too late!!!

  • Idadho

    I am sick and tired of Fixthisnation.com pop-ups continually hitting my computer. Fixthisnation does not tell us anything about who they are. They want us to react to their crap but are not transparent about their organization. The continual ‘polls’ are just attempting to create a profile on us. STOP IT NOW. I would not follow your lame website if you paid me. GO AWAY.

    • babbott

      I agree with you, and I am really disgusted about the pop-up which wants you to vote on whether Obama should have a third term. That is only making a suggestion to the brain-dead voters who listen to the propaganda and vote based on what they are told by the media. Obama can not have a third term because the constitution limits the presidency to 10 years. Why stir up the masses with the thought that a third term is possible?

      • lily

        I have yet to experience one of these pop-ups, but I’m pretty sure that they
        underestimate the audience if they think that we don’t all know that Obama
        can’t run for another term.

  • jreb57

    The problem with modern liberalism is that it has been co-opted by the political left as a means of obtaining and maintaining political power. The old standby values of liberalism such as altruism and compassion are used by the left to increase the size and power of government. The coercive power of the government is then used to create a system of crony capitalism so that there will always be enough money to maintain the establish ment. You cannot be altruistic with some one else’s nickle.

    • lily

      OH, really – GROW UP. We have a big (huge)country and you don’t run a big
      country with a little government. I could write pages just about books I have read
      recently about socialist countries., especially the Scandinavian ones, and the quality
      of their lives. We should be so lucky. On the “happiness” scales, The United States
      is virtually never in the top 10 and is often sitting closer to #20. Those numbers are
      played out by the number of suicides, amount of employment, the availability of
      good health care, the number of people sitting in jail, the ability to move up the ladder,
      the amount of free time in one’s life, and other such things.

      As for being altruistic with someone else’s nickel, that is really a stupid statement. Do
      you think that people like myself not only don’t pay our fair share of taxes but also
      don’t contribute to charity in other places also? If so, you are so very wrong.
      Conservatives love to think that liberals are all on the receiving end of the give and
      take. And you are wrong.

      • jreb57

        What I think about liberals is that they are not “liberal” at all. They insist that they know best and wish to compel their neighbors to follow their “liberal” agenda. As H.G. Wells said “It is a universal weakness of mankind that what we are given to administer we presently imagine we own.” Altruism cannot be accomplished with some one else’s nickel according to the commonly accepted definition.

        • lily

          Is this what liberalism is all about? Altruism? It is certainly a major part of it, but it is
          also about doing away with the things that help us to prevent those things the happen
          when human nature prevails. Like the rich taking over the world. Things like slavery,
          and pushing lower class people aside.

          • jreb57

            “Like the rich taking over the world”
            You must mean George Soros and the people who think there should be a new world order. Soros didn’t make his fortunes building corporations, he made his fortune on hedge funds. Hedge funds bet against the economy, or at least a certain part of it. Today’s liberalism is nothing like the liberalism of the past. Today’s liberals believe every one has a right to food, shelter, healthcare, education, whether or not they earn it, or in short, every thing I worked hard to pay for. Here is human nature for you and it accurately describes the mostly modern “liberal” attitude of the people who hold power: “What we are given to administer, we presently imagine we own” That is a quote from “Outline of History” vol.II page 541 by HG Wells. It pretty much sums up the fallacies of one group of people trying to decide what another group of people should be doing or not doing.

          • lily

            You apparently are not all that familiar with HG Wells. He was a
            socialist par excellence. And in many areas, he was not an
            admirer of the US at all. Our treatment of blacks was particularly
            disgusting to him.

            But yes, you are correct in that today’s liberals believe everyone has a
            right to food, shelter, healthcare, education. Isn’t that outrageous
            when you think of it. How dare people hope to be the recipients of
            these things. Look at it this way: People who don’t have food, or
            shelter, or healthcare, and/or education are going to cause society
            a whole lot of problems. The most obvious is that these guys will
            commit crime. People need food and shelter and education and
            health care. Be glad you have it. Be glad we have the potential to
            provide it to others. One thing you need to remember is that the
            vast majority of people want to be a valuable citizen. They want to make their own way. And when they can’t, it can cause depression,
            self-hatred, and hatred towards others. Sometimes, they can’t
            do these things because of mental or physical disabilities.

            And another thing that I just thought of. “every thing I worked hard to pay for.” I could believe that while you probably have a job, and
            may even work reasonably hard at that job, perhaps there are
            people who need to put up with would wish you would just go away.

            We have all worked with that type at one point or another. Also
            by the way did you pay for your own education, did you buy your
            own insurance or food when you were growing up. Unfortunately
            for us and them, we have an underbelly in our society which is
            something we should quit complaining about, and do something
            useful about.

          • jreb57

            Wells may or may not have been a socialist. If he was, his quote “what we are given to administer we presently imagine that we own” is a repudiation of socialist. agenda in that they assume they know what is best for every one else and they do what ever it takes to advance their agenda as though they owned the government. There is a little matter of the constitution The problem with socialism is that it encourages people to quit trying.

          • lily

            Oh my god, conservatives hang on to that word “constitution” like it is their dick.
            And when it isn’t interpreted the way they believe it should be, they weep like a baby.

            Their approach to the Bible is very similar. They know what the Bible says and means
            and anyone who disagrees is going to hell.

          • jreb57

            It is written in English so that every one who speaks English and has a working brain will know what it means. It does not mean what some people wish it meant.

          • lily

            Is that why you agree with everything that is being done today – because you can read the
            Constitution and interpret it. Nobody official is calling our socialistic ways unconstitutional.
            Maybe you are the one who doesn’t quite get it.

          • jreb57

            But I don’t agree with what is being done today. I don’t see how it would be much different if some one who wanted to destroy this country had run it for the past eight years. That is what got Trump elected. The voters thought he would be the most likely one to change it..

          • lily

            I don’t think that the country was being destroyed at all. The destruction came
            before that – with the horrible economy – and that simply doesn’t change overnight.
            It took FDR 8 years, and that is about what it took us this time too. Actually, not
            really 8 years but at least six years. And the problem with a horrible economy is that
            more people need help and with less people working, there is less tax dollars coming
            in.

          • jreb57

            Roosevelt didn’t fix the economy. WW2 did. The selective service act passed in 1940 absorbed many of the first time job seekers and the increase in war production absorbed the rest. It was mostly financed by war bonds. The problem with what Obama’s policies is that they restricted economic growth both EPA regulations and Obamacare. This meant less tax revenue at a time when social programs were being expanded.

          • lily

            Roosevelt didn’t fix the economy. WW2 did

            That is rather a strong – and naive – statement. Certainly WWII sped it up in lots of
            ways put it also cost a lot too. But that is something that must always be considered
            when the economy is not what we want it to be. People need to WORK. They need
            jobs, and jobs that will pay enough for them to live on. And with that they need to
            be educated, they need to get off drugs, get out of prisons, and quit living so long be
            cause we can’t afford all these old people

            As for Obamacare, don’t go there. You and I both know that the US is the only country
            where people go bankrupt over health care costs. Insurance companies can find plenty
            of other things to insure.

          • jreb57

            A naivete on your part. I lived through it. The war was financed with government bonds. The war changed the employment situation from a labor surplus to a labor shortage, so much so that women were entering the labor force to work in factories. After the war, people had money to spend on things like a new car, a home, and an education. Conversion to a peacetime economy meant that these things could be built to meet the demand, which meant the returning GIs could find jobs or get an education through the GI bill. There was not a drug problem in those days.
            Yeah, people need jobs, so why send them to another country? Yeah, people need an education, so why is it so expensive? I got an education at one of the top engineering schools in the country. It cost me $106 per quarter. I went to school in the daytime and worked at night and paid for it myself. Yeah, we need to stop the drugs, at their source, where they are distributed and where they are used. And yeah, health insurance should be to keep medical costs from bankrupting you, not to pay for office visits. Your auto insurance doesn’t pay for your gasoline and oil or maintenance.
            Obamacare took a problem and made it worse by increasing demand and reducing the supply. That is why people from Canada would come to the US when they had a big problem; they could not get an appointment with their doctor in Canada in time. Now, we are beginning to experience some of the problems of government mandates. The economy works better when people earn their own money and spend their own money. Nature has a way of weeding out the unproductive, be they old or be they young

          • lily

            ” The economy works better when people earn their own money and spend their own money.”

            Brilliant statement. As it is. But it addresses nothing. By the way, I just happen to
            have a magazine, The Christian Science Monitor, on my desk, and guess what I am
            reading. “President-elect Trump will inherit a much stronger economy than his
            predecessor did.” That was a quote from Standard Poor’s economists.

            In the same issue: Dec 19, 2016. Article by John Yemma – “Creating a Virtuous Cycle.”
            It is an article about Kalamazoo, Michigan and how it is turning itself around. When
            I was living in Michigan, back in my college days, Kalamazoo was a great place. However, through the years many of the manufacturing plants moved or went
            belly-up. They had provided a lot of equipment that went into Detroit cars, but that
            went down the tubes when Detroit went down the tubes. With an unemployment
            rate of sometimes pushing into the high 20’s% range, they decided to take the bull by
            the horns. Rather than putting money into companies, they put it into people.
            The comment is “Let’s not call it crony capitalism. Let’s call it community
            capitalism.”

            And this is what they got for their trouble: (from Wiki’s article on Kalamazoo)

            “The economic development organization Southwest Michigan First was established in Kalamazoo in 1999, with a focus on Community Capitalism.[68] The organization was recognized as a Best and Brightest Company to Work For[69] in 2013,[70] and has received Fast Company (magazine) commendations for innovative strategies to improve the economy.[71] In 2015, two members of Southwest Michigan First were selected for Development Counsellors International’s “2015 40 under 40,” top 40 young economic developers in the United States.[72]”

            And I for one think that investing in people is the greatest service we can
            provide for them and for ourselves.

          • jreb57

            The economy inherited by Obama was a bursting financial services industry bubble caused by government mandates and a repeal of banking regulations intended to protect bank funds from being invested in risky loans. (See the community reinvestment act and the repeal of glass steagall) Obama only dealt with what the Democrat party had been building since the passage of the CRA in 1977. This is history.

          • Bob Micatka

            No. It is not naive. A president can’t fix the economy. The economy is not controlled, or managed, or anything by the president.

            And as for Obamacare, don’t go there. Why is that? Can’t you defend it?

            Why when Obamacare was being debated, not once, not once, was the number of health care professionals ever talked about? How can 30 million people be covered with no more doctors or nurses? Your numbers just can’t add up.

          • lily

            I’m sure there are a number of people who desperately wanted to see change (such
            as yourself) but the reason that Trump won is because Hillary was his opponent.

            And in just what way do you think that Obama “destroyed” this country. That is a
            pretty drastic term, wouldn’t you think. It is my belief that people from your crowd
            don’t see the idiocy of Trump as a leader is because you talk over the top all the
            time yourself. I could not tell you how many times I have heard people say that
            Obama WANTED to destroy this country. Just how dumb can people be. Of course,
            he did not want to destroy the country. That is just the height of absurdity, and
            yet people would say with it almost a shrug of their shoulders. And the would say
            constant libelous things about Hillary too. Just how many people did you guys say
            she murdered? Think about that. Doesn’t that bother your conscious at all? Or
            is it with politics that anything goes, as long as you “win” in the end?

          • jreb57

            “the reason that Trump won is because Hillary was his opponent”
            I can’t argue with that. That is certainly a major reason. I don’t know for sure whether Obama “knows exactly what he is doing” as one of my friends said, but I can’t think of a single thing Obama has done that was not harmful in some way to our best interest. My analysis is that one of two things are true: Either Obama is the world’s biggest dufus or he knows exactly what he is doing and that is trying to sow dissension, waste money, create paralysis with regulations, destroy the economy, weaken the military and destroy our historical values. It has long been know that Hillary was an acolyte of Saul Alinsky. That probably explains why Bill sough female companionship elsewhere.

          • lily

            “trying” to so dissension. There is always dissension between the parties. Otherwise
            we wouldn’t have two parties. No he isn’t wasting money. But maybe I’m not
            looking hard enough. Tell me in what areas he is doing that. What new regulations
            do we have that are so paralysing, or even not paralysing. He certainly is not trying
            to destroy the economy. If he is, in fact, destroying it tell us in what way. And how are
            our historical values being destroyed. Which ones are those? As for weakening the
            military – I will certainly give you the fact that he is trying not to use the military in
            a constant manner as has been done in the past, by both parties. Or did you mean
            that the military is being weakened because they are asking the women have to
            sign up for the draft also?

          • jreb57

            There is a difference about disagreements and dissension. The two parties have disagreed about many things, but have usually found enough areas of agreement to handle problems within the framework of the constitution. For example, John Kennedy cut taxes to stimulate the economy and stopped the infighting between the Army, the Air Force and the Navy over missile technology by creating NASA and setting a goal of putting a man on the moon before the decade was over. This happened and no other foot has been set on the moon’s surface since 1972. The fed is printing more money than the value of our gross domestic product would warrant and using the money to finance federal expenditures. He uses executive orders to create “law” which is supposed to go through congress. The EPA attempts to regulate without congressional oversight or approval. He has not stopped the influx of drugs or illegal immigrants across our southern border. His justice department has been successfully sued on religious grounds:

            The Supreme Court unanimously overturned the lower court rulings against the Little Sisters,
            ordered the government not to fine the Little Sisters, and said the
            lower courts should provide the government an opportunity “to arrive at
            an approach going forward that accommodates the petitioner’s religious
            beliefs.”
            The Military needs some outdated and worn out equipment replaced and the VA needs to find a way to serve the needs of veterans with a greater sense of urgency. I am sure the police would like to believe that the commander in chief has a greater respect for law enforcement than for black lives matter.

          • jreb57

            “He was a socialist par excellence”
            No such thing as a socialist “par excellence”. It would have to be “par average” or mediocre..

          • lily

            I didn’t bring him up in the first place. Were you the one to do so.

          • jreb57

            I brought him up….as well as his very unsocialist like quote from a book that he himself wrote

          • lily

            Are you people aware of the fact that whenever you mention one of the rich guys buying
            our politicians, the only name you ever come up with is George Soros. Do you know how
            much he added to Hillary’s coffers? It was either $1 million or $7 million (forget which),
            but in either case it was a big nothing.

            This year, it may have been more than what rich guys were willing to dump on Trump,
            but typically the rich line up to support the Republicans. Would you like to talk about
            why that might be? It could be enlightening for you, or at least a reminder about one
            of the significant differences between the two parties.

            Let’s say that the Democrats are the party of the people and the Republicans are the
            party of ______________. Fill in the blanks if you dare.

            I’ll give you a hint. Think: corporations and people who are too dumb to realize that
            the bigwigs don’t really care for them beyond their vote.

            I’ll let you deal with the “morality” part. You know the, “homo” thing

          • jreb57

            “but typically the rich line up to support the Republicans. Would you like to talk about why that might be?”
            No, the Democrats have raised more money for the last several election cycles. Why that might be is that they support global agendas more than the Republicans and the really large corporations are global companies and like the cheap labor and lack of government regulations that can be had overseas. The Democrats are not the party of the people. The people need jobs and they are being out sourced. The Democrats are the party of power, not the people. As for the Republicans, they just got a strong message from the people. George Soros funds many organizations and they all contribute to the Democrats.

          • jreb57

            Let’s say that the Democrats are the party of the people and the Republicans are the party of ______________. Fill in the blanks if you dare.

            The Democrats are not the party of the people if they ever were. You would have a hard time convincing southern blacks in 1950 that the Democrat party was a party of the people then. The Democrats now believe they have solved that problem because they ran and got elected a black man for president and it took a lot of money from capitalist to do it. If the two parties would just make a sincere effort to follow the constitution, it would be a really good first step.

      • jreb57

        “We have a big (huge)country and you don’t run a big country with a little government.”
        You run a big country with a grass roots government as the constitution requires.

        • lily

          Tell me where the requirement comes. What I know, and what we have, is that citizens can
          vote for those whom we want to represent us. With that in mind, we can have communism if
          we want – as long as we get to vote in the people in the chambers and elect the president.

          • HondoCougburn

            And we have for the last 8 yrs.

          • lily

            No we haven’t. I guess even the liberals are not enamored of
            communism.

          • HondoCougburn

            Really, who were those people knashing their teeth over the death of the murdering commie scum in Cuba? It wasn’t conseratives!

          • lily

            Who says anyone was doing it?

          • HondoCougburn

            Did you watch any of the coverage of his death?

          • jreb57

            “I guess even the liberals are not enamored of communism”
            Liberals likely not, progressives probably so. (Whatever keeps them in power).

          • lily

            Do you have any idea why liberals vote the way they do. Now maybe you know
            something about liberals who sit in congress that I don’t know, but I do know who
            liberals vote for and why.

            We believe that we will have a stronger, better, happier country, and people within
            our country if we work together to achieve goals. Our country has a rather sad
            history, and it has continued to perpetuate a lot of that sadness onto people within
            the country because we always “take sides” – us against them.

            You know the rest of the story, and I have to believe that if you have ever sat in
            a church pew, you know what needs to be done by us in our relations with other
            people. Our minister, this past Sunday, gave another incredible sermon about what
            our responsibilities are in the scheme of things. There are so many people who are
            obviously in trouble – homeless and that sort of thing. But there are also a whole lot
            of people who don’t have friends or friendships. They are depressed or disabled or
            in other ways not living anything close to a normal life, and they need someone
            to hold their hand, to tell them that we care about them, and give them hope.

            Our church members volunteer an extraordinary amount of time and talent and
            money in helping those who need help. And if you think that you are going to
            tell me that it is everyone for himself, you are wasting your time and your breath.
            I am a lucky person and a happy person BECAUSE I am able to help other people.

          • jreb57

            “Do you have any idea why liberals vote the way they do”
            I don’t think even liberals know why they vote the way they do. Look, it is your money and your time. Spend and use it as you wish and let Warren Buffet spend and use his as he wishes. You are going to have big trouble when you try to spend and use other peoples money and time as you would like.

          • lily

            “You are going to have big trouble when you try to spend and use other peoples money and time as you would like.”

            Well, yes this is true. But that is what voting is all about. One of the most important
            things a person votes for/against/about is how we will spend our tax dollars. And
            do get over this idea that the money that you are required to pay into the system to
            cover your taxes in no longer “your” money.

          • jreb57

            “Well, yes this is true. But that is what voting is all about”
            Voting is about who will run the government, not about who will run the economy. And yes, it is my money sent in with my tax return to pay my share of the government’s bills. If it were not my money, I would have paid no taxes. The problem is, some in the government think they can spend it as they like.

          • jreb57

            You can’t have communism under the constitution. That requires taking money from some against their will and giving it to others. It requires “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” It also requires some one who determines what your abilities and needs are as well as a police state with enough power to enforce it. That violates the concept of individual rights the government is supposed to protect, the god given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. God created us with a free will. The life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness statement is in the Declaration of Independence.

          • lily

            “You can’t have communism under the constitution”

            Wrong.

            The thing is that in spite of the fact that the “other” side keeps telling us what a bunch
            of commie wannabes we are, we are not. Not only that, but there are
            only five countries left in the world who are officially Communist. It just is not the
            going thing. Socialism is another thing. Socialism is popular. And in my opinion
            socialism is good.

          • jreb57

            Communism requires the theft of property. You cannot redistribute what you do not own unless you steal it. Lenin called socialism “a good first start”.

          • Bob Micatka

            So what’s the difference from socialism to communism?

  • World Watcher

    This one of the hildabeast sites.

    • lily

      Write again when you know what you are talking about and willing to prove it.

    • mtman2

      Nah- tho some lightweights willingly disinformed and myopically too lazy to do honest research past Leftwing rhetoric unknowingly have become shills for the Soros puppetmaster Far-Left vending machine and bankster overlords.
      Some mean well on both ends tho are missing the middle where the gears meet ~!

  • mtman2

    “Modern liberalism” is NOT the classic liberal nor anything close to it.

    Once this is personally researched as to true meanings w/actual differences,
    many things get cleared up that are very distorted in source and direction~!

    • lily

      Well, why don’t you tell us what the difference is?

      Not that it would matter to me. I do not feel it to be necessary to view the world in the
      same way as our founding fathers did.

  • lily

    Just as conservatism has changed a lot since the days of our country’s
    War for Independence, liberalism is not cloaked in the smooth, wise
    words of John Locke and John Stuart Mill anymore. It has become instead a
    passionate argument for the state to care for the individual. Nothing
    could be further from the vision of our founding fathers than the
    welfare state proposed by the nation’s university professors, the
    political correctness that obscures rational thought, and the demise of
    the American family. These changes do not just weaken the country as a
    whole; they destroy the very fabric of the flag. Time will indeed tell
    if America can even survive another fifty years of this kind of
    liberalism. If it does, what kind of America will it be?”

    Just exactly where do you get the idea that caring for the individual was far from the vision of our founding
    fathers, and perhaps even more importantly, the pilgrims who came here for a better life. Do you think
    that they could have made it on their own, or that they believe themselves that they could have made
    it on their own.

    Maybe Robinson Caruso made it on his own, but even he recognized how important others were.
    He was desperately lonely among other things, and when the opportunity afforded itself he took

    on Friday, taught him, helped him, and together they found their way back home. Meanwhile

    Friday had helped him find found and fight cannibals.

    Whatever the founding fathers may have wanted, I want a country who works together for the good
    of the people who live here, and who will do what they can to help others in more unfortunate

    places. And that is where I intend to put my efforts. Everyone for himself is not an appealing
    motto for me or my country and I will not raise the flag to it.

  • RDPence

    Still looking for names of people behind this site. Your About Us section says nothing About You, as in names of people.