Aetna CEO: Obamacare is in a “Death Spiral”







It isn’t just Republicans warning the American public that the days of the Affordable Care Act are coming to an end. Health insurance companies are sounding the alarm as well. In addition to yanking their plans off the Obamacare markets in many states, some insurance CEOs – like Mark Bertolini of Aetna – are publicly predicting the imminent demise of the healthcare scheme.

In an interview at a Wall Street Journal event on Wednesday, Bertolini said that Obamacare was in a “death spiral” from which it could not recover. In the interview, the Aetna CEO said that more insurance companies would pull out of the market in the coming weeks, leaving many areas with no available providers when the system opens back up for 2018 coverage.

“It’s not going to get any better,” he said. “It’s getting worse.”

Bertollini’s prediction came a day after Humana announced that it would no longer provide any insurance coverage through the Obamacare exchange markets. The healthcare giant had already scaled back its ACA options considerably; in a statement, the company said that there was no way for them to make a profit based on the existing customer base. Other insurance companies, including UnitedHealth Group, have also taken a dramatic step back from the markets.

The Trump administration has made no secret of its desire to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, but they are trying to keep the marketplace stable until Republicans come up with a plan. The administration released a proposed rule on Wednesday that is intended to provide some level of stability to an extremely shaky insurance marketplace. Whether these rules are implemented – or whether they will stave off the inevitable collapse – remains to be seen.

Meanwhile, this is another sign that Republicans need to work doubletime to get a replacement package on the table. There isn’t much time to waste. The opportunity to sit back and wait for it to implode has passed. The GOP has made too much noise, and their own comments have contributed to the instability of the marketplace. Yes, it would be obscene to actually blame Republicans for a failure that was coming sooner or later, but that won’t stop Democrats and the media from doing just that.

Get a bill on the floor and let’s get this thing going. Millions of voters are losing their patience.


  • Justin Seine

    I love how these pundits who helped craft the ACA and fully supported it are now turning around and showing just how well they can predict the past. Something that anyone with half a brain could have, and in many cases did tell them, that it just will not work. Pure Genius!

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      • kotoc

        You’ve been flagged, scammer!

        • RICHARD

          I flag all of these, and they still are on the sites. What good does it do to flag them?

          How do we get them banned?

          • ABO

            The site’s moderators can’t be bothered to do their job apparently.

          • AKLady

            Someone has to pay for you to play.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Are you paid by the post or the insult?

          • SouthernPatriot

            I do it all….flag them, report their post as spam, report them to anyone monitoring, sometimes I see about 50% success. The ones doing the monitoring will delete obvious ones but it takes longer for any which require thought! ha.

          • William Boyd

            Block them instead of flagging

          • Mathew Molk

            Blocking only stops them from coming to you. Flagging, if the moderators so their job, shuts it down for everybody.

            I’m not a commie but when there is something that simple that can be can be for the common good, why not?

          • Mathew Molk

            I have been doing the same thing,,,,I think it’s a paid ad.

            Just pisses me off when they put a hold on me when I talk like a common American and use “damn” and “hell” or shit.

            (Watch this get a hold on it or get thrown out)

    • Ed Anderson

      Another great post, Justin. I really enjoy reading (and, of course, agree with) your responses. You’re one of the best…keep it up!

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    • Roswell Evans

      You said it in a NUT shell. If they would’ve read it before they passed it, this would have been OBVIOUS. But no they rather listen to Pelosi.

      • jetmagnet

        Yeah, millions of dollars of ads against it. 36 GOP governors not expanding medicaid which reduces rates has alot to do with it. BTW, in those red states the premiums are higher and people can’t afford insurance.

      • SUZANNE M.

        NANCY PELOSI IS AN IGNORANT POLITICAIN BECAUSE SHE SAID…..WE HAVE TO PASS IT SO WE KNOW WHAT’S IN IT” THAT IS THE BATTLECRY FROM ALL THESE LEFT WING MORONS. HAVE SOME ONE ELSE WRITE A BILL , DON’T READ IT , PAA IT,, THE READ IT AND CALL IT THE CONGRESS DOING THE PEOPLES’ WORK….GOS SEND HER HOME TO STOMP GRAPE …WHAT THE HELL DID SHE PROMISE HER CONSTITUENTS?????

    • jetmagnet

      I guess none of you idiots have preexisting conditions and like insurance companies the way they were b4, where they could cancel you for bad breath. lol

    • AKLady

      Truth and fact is always a shock to many people.
      The insurance watchdogs say individual premiums have dropped an average of 10 -21%. https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2016/07/29/health-premiums-after-obamacare-theyre-lower/

  • steppenfetchit

    Wait a minute…what do you mean I can’t get my old policy back, you said I could keep it. Sucka. Gruber and that pencil-necked geek Zeke Emanuel developed this POS and should be the ones to pay to fix it, along with every democrat that voted for it. I say let it collapse and start over. If you still believe in free lunches try walking out of McDonalds without paying. It is impossible because you don’t get your food until you’ve paid. Life ain’t free.

    • John Williams

      The problem, too many who believe in free stuff, will always support those who believe in giving it to them for their vote, many simply are not capable of seeing the stupidity of their own actions.

      • ABO

        Thank you, John. You have very succinctly assessed a major problem facing this nation today.

  • Rummy Walker

    Surprise. Surprise. Exactly what the folks with no dog in the fight said would happen. Dems passed the bill so they could find out what was in it. What they found was a turd, so they jammed it down our throats and stuck it in our asses. Who are the suckers? We are. We elected the people who voted for this turd and we voted for the people who did not have the balls to repeal or defund it. Now, we are about to have another turd placed on our plate because no one in government has the gnads to say, NO!, it’s unsustainable. The Libs are going to make it sound like anyone who votes against an unsubstantiated bill is a grinch against grandma, kids, poor people, dogs, fresh air and sunshine. People, we cannot afford to insure everyone unless everyone pays. Stop the bleeding heart, how about people with pre existing conditions? Let’s get real and maybe there is a solution. The sick and the poor and the illegal immigrant cannot be the primary focus and the primary beneficiaries. First, no coverage for non citizens, period. Everyone should pay what they can for minimal coverage. After that, cash only.
    AMERICA FIRST.

    • kotoc

      You said what I was going to say, only you said it better!

    • G.Mann

      “You have to pass it to see what’s in it”

      That only works with stool samples, not bills in Congress….

      Any questions?

      • AKLady

        You must be in the health care industry.

        • mac12sam12

          The ACA is tanking, it’s in the above article.

          • AKLady

            You missed the point, entirely.

          • Mathew Molk

            I’m an engineer and have no clue about the insurance industry but I could tell it was a boondoggle from day one. – You cannot give free insurance to deadbeats who will make a hobby out of going to the doctor and have everybody else who is too busy going to work to ever go to the doctor pay for it. — anybody remember when there was ‘Hospitalization’ and if you had to go to the doctor if you had the Flu or something like that you paid for it yourself?

    • Ed Anderson

      Absolutely! Forget about this “replacement” crap. Just repeal it and let the private sector fix the messt…they will, and without govt interference it will happen pretty soon!.

      • Rummy C

        Amen brother.
        AMERICA FIRST.

        • AKLady

          Let’s see how high we can drive the cost of health care.

      • AKLady

        Right, and you will go back to paying for the uninsured’ health care.
        Medical bills are the #1 cause of bankruptcy. Every bad debt drive up the cost.
        America already has the world’s most expensive system.

        • Ed Anderson

          Don’t you understand that, whether it’s ObamaCare or something else, ALL medical care HAS to be paid for, some way or other? You seem to have tunnel vision because you’re only focused on how care for the “uninsured” is covered. What about those working families currently on ObamaCare? They’ve seen their premiums and deductibles rise into the stratosphere the last 3-4 years because they’re not only having to pay for their own care but also having to shoulder part of the costs of care for the “uninsured” PLUS a share of the costs for the huge federal bureaucracy, which we didn’t have before but which had to be put in place to run the ACA. Add to all that the fact that we, our children, and the children of many generations to come will be paying for years on the huge national debt that ObamaCare has added to significantly. Money currently being spent on ObamaCare doesn’t just free-fall from the sky. You’re concerned about only a segment of the whole population that is affected by this monstrous, un-sustainablemistake and you don’t seem to understand economics or have a stake in this game; otherwise, your focus would be much broader.

          • AKLady

            You have been shouldering the cost of the uninsured since you earned your fist pay check.

            There is no such thing as “Obamacare”. The ACA did not create a “huge federal bureaucracy The ACA has not crated a huge amount of federal debt.

            Actually, it is you who do not understand economics. Lack of health care leads to disability. Disability leads to government financial and medical support for the individual. Disability leads to your increased tax bill and/or increased national debt.

            Heath care for those on government programs leads to your higher cost of medical care. Medical bills are the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. Every bankruptcy increases the cost of medical care — you pay the bill they could not pay.

          • Ed Anderson

            My first salary wasn’t paid by check. In those days, we got cash payments with no taxes withheld. Also back then, being responsible for your own life was the goal and the norm. Almost all families had at least one wage earner; welfare and other “government programs” (except Social Security) didn’t exist; there were few if any drug addicts or illegal aliens so our hospital emergency rooms and treatment centers weren’t being flooded by people who couldn’t pay. In the decades since, the country and most cities and states have been predominantly run either by socialist-thinking Democrats who have used social programs to buy votes (and thereby trapping millions in poverty) or by Republicans who didn’t have the foresight to see where we were headed or were too weak-kneed or corrupt to stop it. If we continue, pretty soon the government won’t be able to afford to do anything but pay the costs of the social programs and the interest on the national debt. We may have already passed that point. So, call it by PPACA, ACA or it’s nickname, “Obamacare” or whatever, if it waddles and quacks, it’s a welfare program and it’s significantly reducing the finances of working people. It certainly hasn’t REDUCED the size of the bureaucracy or the national debt. And, of course, the huge national debt tends to stifle the economy and lead to a lot of bankruptcies . And along with all that, because or our warped tax structure, almost half of our working-age adults pay no taxes, which adds to the burden of those of us who do. The bottom line is that our country is in a HELLUVA fix and it’s going to take several huge miracles to get us out of it.

          • AKLady

            Well, your first employer was a criminal law breaker, unless of course you were a child occasional hire and not an employee.

            We let people starve and die during the great depression. We still let people die because they cannot afford to buy health care. Then, as now, we claim to be a Christian country. Your post gives lie to that claim

            Ha, ha, ha, ha…few drug addicts??? I guess you are not aware that the Coke original formula actually did contain cocaine. Alcohol and illicit drugs have always been a presence in American culture.

            The ACA is not a “welfare program”. It is a requirement that people take responsibility for their health. AND the cost of their health care. Left undiagnosed and untreated, the silent killers put people on welfare

          • Ed Anderson

            I EMBEDDED MY RESPONSES WITHIN YOUR TEXT IN ALL-CAPS: Well, your first employer was a criminal law breaker, unless of course you were a child occasional hire and not an employee. I WAS A TEENAGER AND IT WAS A SMALL TOWN IN THE YEARS BETWEEN TWO WARS (KOREA AND VIET NAM).
            We let people starve and die during the great depression A LOT OF BAD THINGS HAPPENED IN THE PAST THAT WE CANNOT CHANGE; I QUESTION THEIR RELEVANCE TO THIS DISCUSSION. We still let people die because they cannot afford to buy health care. WITH ALL THE FOOD SOURCES, GOVT. PROGRAMS, RELIGIOUS AND SECULAR RELIEF PROGRAMS ETC. AVAILABLE NOW, NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING HUNGRY OR WITHOUT SHELTER IN THIS COUNTRY. Then, as now, we claim to be a Christian country WRONG: THIS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY…THERE IS NO STATE RELIGION. IT IS A COUNTRY WHERE CHRISTIANS AND OTHERS ARE FREE TO PRACTICE THE RELIGION OF THEIR CHOICE OR NO RELIGION AT ALL. Your post gives lie to that claim
            Ha, ha, ha, ha…few drug addicts??? I guess you are not aware that the Coke original formula actually did contain cocaine RELEVANCE?. Alcohol and illicit drugs have always been a presence in American culture. UNLESS YOU LIVED IN THAT WORLD OF THE 1950’S AND EARLY 1960’S THAT I GREW UP IN, DON’T PRESUME TO KNOW OR TO TELL ME WHAT IT WAS LIKE, AND DON’T PRESUME TO CALL ME A LIAR.
            The ACA is not a “welfare program”. It is a requirement that people take responsibility for their health. AND the cost of their health care CORRECTION: IT IS A TAX. IT LEFT CONGRESS AS A MANDATE, AND GOT MASSAGED BY THE SUPREME COURT INTO A TAX (AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS, CONSIDERING THAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL POWER TO WRITE LAWS). Left undiagnosed and untreated, the silent killers put people on welfare. IF YOU WANT TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE, THEN DONATE TO AND/OR GO TO WORK FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES THAT; I’M SURE THEY COULD USE YOUR SKILLS. IF YOU CAN’T FIND A SUITABLE ORGANIZATION, GO TO WORK TO START ONE. BUT ONE WAY TO MAKE THOSE PROBLEMS WORSE IS TO GET THE GOVERNMENT INVOLVED. THE GOVERNMENT DOES A FAIRLY GOOD JOB OF BUILDING ROADS AND A PASSABLE JOB DEFENDING THE COUNTRY (ALTHOUGH A LOT OF MONEY IS WASTED IN THE PROCESS) BUT DOESN’T MANAGE ANYTHING ELSE WORTH A DAMN.

          • AKLady

            You have been well-brainwashed.
            You have never been to a food bank.

            There is a huge gap between those who “have” and those who “have not”.
            The jobs which made America “great” are now in Asia — you helped put them there, you are keeping them there.

            Oh, and a bit of history for you — the “food stamp” program benefits were calculated to the calorie required to prevent starvation, but not to provide a healthy diet. The poor must decide between proper nutrition and hunger. Rice and beans are very inexpensive, but they do not provide many of the vital nutrients such as Vitamins C, D, A, E, Calcium, Iron …

          • Krazeehors

            Well, I have had health care, and I am a totally disabled veteran. Not because I ignored my health, either.

            I know people who are paying their premiums and CANNOT even USE their insurance because the DEDUCTIBLES are way too high. I know doctors who are reimbursed for $6 for ONE OFFICE VISIT!!

            And THAT’s okay with you???

          • AKLady

            Someone has done a real number on you. Yes, there has been $6.00 payments to doctors — when that is what is left after the deductible has been met.
            Apparently, you will fall for any rumor you are fed.
            Cannot use their insurance because the deductible I too high???
            Ha, ha, ha, ha … you choose the policy

          • Krazeehors

            Ha, ha, ha, ha, — I don’t HAVE Ovomit-Lack-of-Care because I am on Medicare and Tricare.=

            The Medicare DRG system sets reimbursement rates in most cases. The $6 allowable reimbursement rate is all that was ALLOWED under the ACA. Had absolutely NOTHING to do with what policy a person chooses.

          • AKLady

            Why do you need to tell this lie?
            Why do you embarrass America this way?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to lie?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to repeat lies?

    • Laddyboy

      00bama’s ‘j.gruber’ helped to write the “obamaDON’Tcare” act. This scheme was meant to fail from the beginning and help to usher in the socialist government controlled “single payer insurance”. It was a LIE from the beginning which came from manipulators like ‘n.palosi’, ‘j.gruber’, ‘b.h.0bama’ and many other DemocRATic Communist Party CO-CONSPIRATORS(only democrats voted for this bill). It has done NOTHING to help MILLIONS of Americans. If One looks at it closely, One can see that it has been operating as nothing but a PONZI scheme. It has done nothing but Take, Take to enable the few to lawfully steal money and security from the many.
      .
      Pass a bill that would enable the insurance companies to “RESET” insurances back to how they operated BEFORE ‘obamadon’tcare’ was ILLEGALLY PASSED. Have a clause inserted to help those people who have HUGE physical problems as a side coverage.

      • AKLady

        Congress makes the laws.
        Congress spends the money.

        You elect Congress.
        Maybe you should make better choices.

        • Ed Anderson

          Not quite. Sounds like you need a history and a civics lesson. Congress makes the laws and the president signs them. Congress appropriates the money and the president and his administration spend it. In the case of ObamaCare, it was all Obama and the Democrats, who were in complete control of both houses of Congress at the time, who passed it. Not a single Republican voted for it. It’s taken us more than 7 years to reverse the majority in Congress and, finally, get a president who is willing to try to fix the Democrats’ mistake.

          • AKLady

            You are wrong on both counts.

            A bill becomes law if signed by the President OR if not signed within 10 days and Congress is in session.

            Congress determines which appropriations get how much funding. Thus, it is Congress determines how much can be spent and what it can be spent on.

            Beginning with Eisenhower, every President has tied to put some form of national health care into place. The ACA idea is a product of the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed form of national health care. It was championed by conservative economists and Republican senators.

          • Ed Anderson

            It’s one thing to have a proposal. It’s another to fail to realize what a mistake it would be to implement it. When it actually came down to a yes or no vote, no Republicans voted yes. It’s all on the Democrats, and now that they’ve passed it and we’ve found out what’s in it, it has to go.

        • William McClure

          Yes and a bunch of Congress critters need to go.

    • AKLady

      Illegal immigrant health care is a matter o national defense.
      Stop and think about what a plague or epidemic could do.
      How many people died in the last flu epidemic that hit the U.S.?

      Between 1981 and 1991 over 10,000 died during the measles outbreak.
      Between 2010 and 2014m over 10,000 cases of whooping cough were reported — only 10 died thanks to vaccination. http://www.healthline.com/

      • Ed Anderson

        Now you’re trying to shift focus to a different problem. Illegal immigration, and what to do about it, are other subjects for other discussions.

        • AKLady

          Obviously, facts are not among your favorite things.

        • William McClure

          Facts are not HER favorite thing either.

    • jetmagnet

      The gop just passed a bill that allows people with mental illness to own guns! I guess it was meant to keep you puppies safe! hahahahahaha

      • Rummy Walker

        Jet — try to understand this. I realize it may be beyond your comprehension. See if you can find someone to draw pictures for you.

        When you are dead you do not know that you are dead. It is only hard for other people.
        It’s the same when you are stupid.

        AMERICA FIRST.

      • mac12sam12

        Know what the definition of a gun nut is? A liberal with a firearm. Stayed unarmed, please!

    • jetmagnet

      I guess millions of people , including republicans complaining to their congressman about the repeal hate it. None of you fruitcakes have obamacare or you wouldn’t be so stupid. You probably have medicare, which will be cut and they’ll give you dummies a voucher. hahahahahaha

    • Mathew Molk

      You for got one thing they will undoubtedly bring up.

      IT WAS BUSH’S FAULT

      And who are they kidding? Medicaid will take up where it left off before obozocare. Deadbeats may not be getting free Botox injections anymore but nobody with a broken arm or pneumonia is going to kicked out of the emergency room.

  • bill14729 .

    Obama and the Democrats have Destroyed or Healthcare System along with everything Else

    • Mike

      destroyed? really? premiums were skyrocketing before ovamacare.

      • Kenneth Blum

        And they just keep on skyrocketing now! Not to mention higher deductibles.

    • That is just what they intended to do, obuma especially wanted to fu** things up! Find his ass, arrest his ass, prosecute his ass, and throw his ass in prison for committing treason!!

      • RICHARD

        I’d rather see an assassin get him.

  • GODBlessRealAmerica!
    • lenati

      love it would like to see how far he went & where he landed. Hopefully far far away.

      • EE

        Headed for the tar pit

        • Bonnietconnolly

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      • AKLady

        You must enjoy paying for Trump’s weekend vacations.
        He has already spent more in a month than Obama did in a year.

        • gotcha1

          You Again!!! Go somewhere else you troll! Half the National Debt was spent on Obama’s 200 plus golf outings and his vacations! That’s all the guy did was vacation and spend our money!! YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!

        • mac12sam12

          The Obamas spent $1.3 billion on vacations. A couple of times they took separate aircraft to the same destination. I hope you enjoy paying for President Trump down time, he puts in 12-16 hour days.

        • Krazeehors

          Prove it, liar.

          • AKLady

            Nope, the free press already did that.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            You said you blocked me, yet here you are.
            More lies.

          • Krazeehors

            I could go back and prove you wrong on ever point but, given that you are a pathological liar and general waste of human flesh, I won’t waste my time. You are blocked.

            I suppose you were at the women’s march and riot on Inauguration Day and the day after as well, and that you helped to contribute to the TONS of trash left behind.

            Stuff it.

          • AKLady

            Blah, blah, blah, lie, insult …repeat ad nauseam.

            Tedious, boring, repetitive …

          • Krazeehors

            You really shouldn’t talk about yourself that way. You can go to hell for lying same as you can for stealing. I do not lie.

          • AKLady

            Tedious, boring, repetitive …

          • tbs

            And you are even more so vagina head!
            Wow what lack of class you women showed!

          • desert fox

            That’s exactly what you are!

          • Krazeehors

            I honestly do not know how you and your ilk could bring yourselves to vote for that criminal who was running against him. She is a killer, a thief, and a criminal. She is abusive to her security staff, and she belongs IN JAIL.

            Straight from FBI reports.

          • AKLady

            She is not a Russian tool.
            That erases everything else.

          • Krazeehors

            Neither is President Trump. It will be proven out as time goes on. So, it’s okay for Hillary Clinton to be a murderer, a thief, a liar, and to have SOLD almost HALF of our uranium supply to Russia??? Give me a break.

          • AKLady

            Why don’t you tell us who actually sold the uranium?
            Every time you insult Hillary, you protect the real traitor.

          • tbs

            Really? Hilly was the one who SOlD our Urainium to Russia and put the money in her pocket when it should have gone in our treasury’s pocket! She is a liar!
            So really she is closer to Russia!

          • AKLady

            Why do you need to tell these lies?
            Why do you embarrass America this way?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to lie?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to repeat lies?

          • desert fox

            The hell she’s not–why did they give her $50M for her fraudulent foundation, for which they will be going to jail. So suck it up loser. Just another two bit demoncrat.

          • AKLady

            Actually, the Clinton Foundation is one of the highest rated charities in the U.S.

            Suggest you visit Charity Navigator for data in the charities you donate to anf how they rate. https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=topten

          • desert fox

            And the investigation is going on and they are trying to shut down such a “High rated Charity”

          • AKLady

            You and people like you shut the Clinton foundations doors.
            It closed over a month ago.
            .
            It was Trump who was caught laundering money — twice. Once by New Jersey and again by New York. Trump University was also shut down because it was operating illegally without the required incenses.

          • desert fox

            And the clintons will be prosecuted……looking forward to that…sooner than you think. It’s on the books already. An FBI friend (couldn’t devulge details) but will be testifying.

          • AKLady

            Your imaginary friends are so powerful.

          • tbs

            The free press lies a lot! I do not like their fake news, as they have proved themselves, in being off on poll figures, fake news to favor liberals, not reporting the truth what is really happening! They have hung them selves and liberals have destroyed the Democratic Party by the same lies thinking the American people were dumb! Didn’t work out did it? Riots/Protests do NOT work and you will pay for that too down the road!
            We the people are NOT going to take it anymore! So unite and show that we are not the sick country you liberals want us to be!

          • AKLady

            Blah, blah, blah, lie, insult …repeat ad nauseam.
            Tedious, boring, repetitive …

          • desert fox

            Hey stupid, you’re still here? The black muslim ash whole is still paying you to be on?

          • AKLady

            Thank you.
            Your input is always welcome
            It says so much about you.

            I

          • desert fox

            as yours does about you. You think people pay any attention to you. Your just like Sharpton and Jackson, a professional agitator.

          • AKLady

            Professional?
            Thank you.

          • snowyriver

            desert fox : Here is a site for more ammo… enjoy…
            (http://theobamafile.websitetoolbox.com/)

          • Benjamin Michel

            Well he is only taking one dollar for his pay!! O took all of his pay and what about all the money that he spent renting a place in Hawaii and the trips his kid took and took there friends that took extra guards and cars what about M trips that cost money also. He does not need to rent in Florida he owens his last trip there the cost came from his campaign funds!!!!!

          • AKLady

            The only part of that paid for by the taxpayer was the security.
            That cost would have taken place no matter where the Obama family was.
            Oh, and by the way, there are no less than FOUR military roundtrip flights between Hawaii and the mainland every day.

        • GODBlessRealAmerica!
        • tbs

          But Trump has done more work for the USA in the little time he has been in office than Obie did in 8 years! That is worth more in money than your complaining on his working vacation weekends! If the Snowflake Democrat politicians would pass his cabinet he would be further ahead!
          But the longer the Democrats hold off the more money it is costing the American taxpayers! That is waste! Besides Obie did NOT work 24/7 on vacation like Trump does!
          No comparison…Trump is worth every penny he works for ….plus he is not taking a salary!
          Trouble is the Democrats want him
          to fail and are jealous that he is good for our country! He is our President so get use to it!

          • AKLady

            Blah, blah, blah, lie, insult …repeat ad nauseam.
            Tedious, boring, repetitive …

        • snowyriver

          Here is a site for you .. LOL..
          (http://theobamafile.websitetoolbox.com/)

          • AKLady

            Like your brain, the site is down and not functioning.

          • snowyriver

            After reading your post above.. I went to the site and copied this .. just for you…

            Lets read our Constitution. First and very important, Article VI, paragraph 2. “The Constitution shall be the supreme Law of the Land”. Now back to the beginning. Reading (now consider yourself a patriot that just overcame a tyrannical government) You come to article 1, section 8, clause, 10. Congress shall have the power to define and punish offences against The Law of Nations. What is this Law of Nations?? Does this clause give Congress the power of the tyrant we just overthrew?? Maybe we better read The Law of Nations to see just what power our new Congress has.. So we read The Law of Nations. Pay special attention in book 1, chapter 19, article 212.. After we finish The Law of Nations, we go back to reading the Constitution. Coming to article II, section 1, clause 5, we read that no person except a “natural born Citizen” of the United States shall be eligible for the office of president. Didn’t we read what a “natural born Citizen” was in The Law of Nations? Yes — “born on the land with parents as citizens”.. Note parents and citizens are both plural. Here we have a problem, Obama has produced a birth certificate showing born in Hawaii with a father who was a citizen of Kenya (makes Obama not eligible). .. Oh sorry that birth certificate has been proven to be false, but there is another birth certificate in the British archives filed there by Kenya showing Obama born in Kenya with a father who was a citizen of Kenya..”

            http://www.catholicbook.com/catholicbook/Obama%20summary.htm
            (makes Obama twice not eligible).. Now does it sound like Barack Obama is a “natural born Citizen” of the United States and eligible to be president? If the answer is no then he was not a legal president of the United States, merely someone who has “usurped” the presidency of the United States, and everything he has done, every rule of law he has signed are NULL and VOID.

          • AKLady

            I suggest you seek out a a mental health professional before you harm yourself or others.

    • AKLady

      Trump has been in office less than a month, how many million of taxpayer dollars has he spent on vacations?

      • Ed Anderson

        None, actually. He’s paid for his trips out of his own pocket so far. A question for you: How much of your and my tax dollars did Obama spend taking separate Air Force 1 flights for himself and his family, to the same destinations?

        • AKLady

          You are a victim of serious brainwashing.
          Trump dies not pay the cost for his trips — he does not reimburse the Federal, state and local governments for the extra expense those trips create
          His adult children are being provided security while they are wondering across the globe. His current wife and child are in New York, not at the While House. Hence, there is significant cost increase just based on that issue — the Russky wife is too good to live in the White House.
          The First Family and the President always travel on separate flights. Trump’s family is no different. It is a security issue. Oh, and by the way, the Vice President never travels in the sane vehicle with the President, etc., etc.

          • lenati

            liberal paper.

          • Ed Anderson

            I also understand that he’s donating all but $1 of his annual salary to the US Treasury.

          • AKLady

            Ha, ha, ha, ha … Trump has paid no income tax in 18 years.

          • Krazeehors

            Wrong again. Provide some proof or shut the hell up.

          • AKLady

            Did your Momma teach you the sewer mouth?

          • Krazeehors

            If you think me writing for you to shut the hell up is a “sewer mouth,” then I would take a good long look in the mirror if I was you. I call it the way I see it, and I have CERTAINLY read more insulting comments from you.

            I don’t lie, ma’am. You do so with abandon.

          • AKLady

            Thank you.
            Your input is always welcome
            It says so much about you.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Blah, blah, blah, lie, insult …repeat ad nauseam.
            Tedious, boring, repetitive …

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            Blah blah blah your a Liberal idiot the Truth will set your Liberal racist ignorant thug ass free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f4d261b7895c432b750b2abc13bd50fc7582d020858fe4f0132a4073a57a6ebb.png

          • Mathew Molk

            the truth will kill them just like rain killed the witch in wizzard of oz.

            They avoid the truth and hard facts at all costs because if either touches them they dissolve into a puddle of liquid shit.

          • AKLady

            THE THIEF IS BACK AGAIN.
            Give credit to the artist, thief.

          • AKLady

            Thank you. Your input is always welcome
            It says so much about you

          • Mathew Molk

            She should come to a jobsite sometime and listen to the Ironworkers.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            You momma raised you as an ignorantLiberal…lies , lies and more liberal lies!!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a555ecf6771e7cebdc70ed1d611dcb31f9060158fe7e8c63beaad9b51dfbceff.jpg

          • AKLady

            The artwork thief is hard at it.
            You just keep taking other people’s work
            Your Momma raised an ignorant thief, as well as a liar.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            What happened to blocking me?
            Was another one of your les?

          • AKLady

            Donald Trump declared a loss of $916 million on his income tax returns for 1995, and — because of tax rules that favor wealthy real estate investors — he used that loss to avoid paying any federal income taxes

          • Krazeehors

            That loss is called a “Capital Loss,” and it applies to ALL real estate owners/investors under the laws of our country.

            As a matter of fact, when my ex-husband and I were cheated out of $12,500 in a land scam, we were able to claim 4,166.33 a year for 3 years as an offset against our income taxes. In other words it was a CAPITAL LOSS. Because I was disabled, I have no tax liability, so I signed that loss over to my ex-husband.

            There are limits to how much you can claim every year AS a loss, but regardless, it still counts as a LOSS that can be used to offset one’s income taxes.

            So, you have now proven that you can recite “facts” from 21 years ago. All it does is PROVE that he did, indeed PAY income taxes, but that a portion of that income was OFFSET as a CAPITAL LOSS, under IRS rules.

            By the way, all of our Billionaires do the same thing year after year, no matter what party they are affiliated with.

            Warren Buffett has NOT paid income taxes for DECADES because ALL of his income is derived from CAPITAL GAINS, which are MUCH HIGHER than the Income tax rate. At the present time, he OWES the Federal Government over $1,000,000,000 (One Billion Dollars) in back taxes, PLUS interest and penalties that he refuses to pay.

          • AKLady

            Save our lectures for someone you can impress.

          • Krazeehors

            THAT was NOT a lecture. Just countering your very false claims, which is my right as a free citizen of the USA.

          • AKLady

            I never make false claims.
            In fact, you documented my statements.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Blah, blah, blah, lie, insult …repeat ad nauseam.
            With racism thrown in for topping.
            Tedious, boring, repetitive …

          • Mathew Molk

            I have done it in my Electrical/Millwright company from day one and the Fab/production welding shop I owned before that. – Not only is it legal, but you are a complete idiot of you do not….Something a “Useful” idiot could never understand.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Try to act like the adult you claim to be.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            “I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married.”
            “I did try and fuck her. She was married.”
            “Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”
            “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • Ed Anderson

            Did he do anything illegal? How many people do you know who would pay a single dollar in taxes they don’t have to pay?

          • AKLady

            Nothing in life is free.
            Someone has to pay my children’s salary.
            Is it not enough that they put their lives on the line, but you want them to do it without being paid?

            The right-wing complains about government, but they actually have no idea as to what the government actually does for them.

            Factually, health care and education would both be far less expensive if profit was taken out of the equation. Don’t play the wait game. One waits for medical appointments right here in the U.S. in the pay for play system.

            I’ve used Canadian health care. It is excellent.

          • Ed Anderson

            Wow! What has been coming from your end continues to be mostly unrelated, angry liberal rants and personal insults, including unsubstantiated assumptions about my character. So, it appears that there is no chance for meaningful discourse or civil debate. Because of the tactics you have used, any attempts on your part to persuade me to your point of view have been dismal failures. It’s time for me to climb out of this message stream. You’ll have to get your future attention fixes from someone else. I’ll pray that God will give you peace and relief from your rage. I’ll give you the last word. I’m sure you’ll take it, and, while I hope you use it wisely, I’m pretty sure you’ll use it for one more rant. This is Ed, signing off and tuning you out.

          • AKLady

            .
            Thank you.
            Your input is always welcome
            It says so much about you.

          • Krazeehors

            First of all, Melania Trump is NOT Russian. She is from Slovenia and has more intelligence and class than you have in the tip of your little finger. She is staying in New York until her 10-year old son’s school year is over, which is her absolute right.

            She never once said she was too good for the White House.

            They do not travel on separate flights. You may have noticed that Melania Trump and President Trump were BOTH on Air Force One when the Prime Minister of Japan visited.

            Also, Obama and his ENTIRE FAMILY regularly traveled on AF1.

            Who the hell cares if the VP and the POTUS ever travel in the same vehicle?

            She is NOT Russian born!! She is from Slovenia, you idiot.

            Your other claims are just false and more of your lies. And, if you believe USA Today, a known flaming liberal “newspaper,” (i.e., fake news), WITHOUT doing any other research, then you are just proving your stupidity.

            The FBI has investigated this, and they have found NO TIES between Donald Trump and either Cuba OR Russia.

          • AKLady

            Not found ties between Donald and Russia???
            Are you nuts?

            Let’s see how they count the ways.

            1. There is Michael Flynn’s admitted contacts with the Russians.
            2. There is Russia’s involvement in Trump’s election.
            3. Trump has waged an attack on the America intelligence agencies,
            4. Trump praises President Vladimir Putin of Russia at every turn
            5. Trump has significant financial ties to Russia.
            6. There is the Palm Beach mansin hr sold to Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev.
            7. Paul Manafort was a “key adviser to President Yanukovich and other Ukraine political figures
            8. Carter Page, who Trump named as foreign policy adviser spent many years in Russia.
            9. Even General Flynn has tie to Russia, so much for America’s national security,

          • Krazeehors

            Michael Flynn was fired because he lied to the VP about his phone calls to people in Russia;

            Russia has ALSO been heavily involved in a number of European elections.

            His “waging an attack” on the Intelligence Agencies consists of him calling them out for leaking CLASSIFIED INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTS. THAT, is a VIOLATION OF THE U.S. CODE UNDER OUR ESPIONAGE LAWS.

            Prove to ME that President Trump has “significant financial ties to Russia.” He has repeatedly stated that he has NO investments or connections IN Russia.

            And, so what that he sold a mansion in Palm Beach to a Russian billionaire. It’s perfectly legal. Remember that Hillary Clinton SOLD half of our uranium TO Russia!!

            Paul Manafort is a business man. He is a PRIVATE CITIZEN and does NOT have to answer to ANYONE about his BUSINESS CONTACTS.

            Michael Flynn, as a PRIVATE CITIZEN, talked to some people in Russia about the transition, he did NOT violate any laws, and he was fired after he lied to VP Pence about it. He did NOT talk to anyone about ending sanctions.

            And, just because someone lives in Russia it does NOT mean he has ties TO Russia. He is a CAREER DIPLOMAT doing his JOB.

          • AKLady

            Michael Flynn was not “fired” he resigned.

            You need a better information source.
            Trump lied when he claimed he has no business ties to Russia.

            Trump Russian involvement:

            Paul Manafort
            Carter Page
            Michael Flynn
            Rex Tillerson
            Miss Universe Moscow
            Trump Tower Moscow
            Trump Vodka
            The $95 million Palm Beach mansion sale
            Russian investment in Trump businesses
            Trump Russian trademarks
            The Bayrock Group

            Russian investors have been instrumental in helping him cope with all the credit problems he has thanks to his serial bankruptcies. Trump’s public affection for Vladimir Putin corresponds with his dependence on Russian investors.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Blah, blah, blah, lie, insult …repeat ad nauseam.
            Tedious, boring, repetitive …

          • AKLady

            Trump also admitted ding business in Communist Cuba in violation of the law.
            He paid money for a business trip and meetings in Cuba — funneled through Seven Arrows Investment and Development Corp.
            That is the garbage you voted to put in the White House
            Thank you,. I much prefer Hillary’s lies. She may lie, but she is not a traitor. .

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Why do you need to tell these lies?
            Why do you embarrass America this way?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to lie?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to repeat lies?

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • Krazeehors

            No Slovenia is a part of central Europe and it`s neighbours are Italy, Croatia, Austria and Hungary. Although it was a part of the former Yugoslavia and therefore considered a part of the Eastern block.

            Is Slovenia in Russia – Answers.com
            http://www.answers.com/Q/Is_Slovenia_in_Russia

          • AKLady

            During the Cold War, the entire USSR was referred to as Russia.
            You must be fairly young.
            To make you happy, I went back and changed Russia to USSR.

          • Krazeehors

            Slovenia was NEVER part of the USSR. It WAS, however, absorbed by Yugoslavia after WWII until the Cold War ended. Slovenia became a free and independent state at that time.

            The history of this country has been traced back to 5000 BC.

          • AKLady

            You just admitted my statement that it was part of the USSR,

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            You give conservative a bad name.
            Facts are facts. You obviously don’t care much for truth.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Who did you steal from?

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Save the exaggerations for other children, like yourself.
            Concentration camps are Trump’s legacy,
            and he has not yet been in office an entire month.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            You said you blocked me.
            Apparently, that was just another one of your lies.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Keep posting the evidence of your ignorance.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            You said you blocked me, yet here you are ..
            Another one of your lies.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            More from the right-wing thief.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            What happened?
            You said you blocked me.
            Just another one of your lies …

          • Mathew Molk

            Where the hell have you people been? – Come to Cleveland and we can go out to the SNPJ farm have some slivovitz and wash it down with some good peva while listening to Johnny Pecon records. — and you will see the most hard core American patriots that are descendants of DPs in the world.

            Jeez, and I thought AK lady and the rest of the NWO Marxists here are the most educated people in the world and know WAY more then us low information uneducated Americans that voted for President Trump.

          • Krazeehors

            Further, Melania Trump emigrated to the US LEGALLY!!
            She is college educated, speaks FIVE LANGUAGES, and is a self-made millionaire since LONG before she ever KNEW Donald Trump.

            You are a LIAR.

          • AKLady

            She illegally modeled in the U.S, while here on a visitors visa.
            Melanija Knavs, A/K/A Melania Trump, was born in Communist Yugoslavia.

            She plagiarized one of Michelle Obama speeches. The ability to speak multiple languages is the norm in Europe where people have greater contact with other nations. She DOES NOT have a college degree.

            She is the only First Lady to have posed nude for a men’s magazine. She also posed nude while 7 months pregnant on the steps of Trump’s jet. Melania posed for the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue in 2000.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Repeat yourself much?

          • Mathew Molk

            and she is a Slovenian! —- ever hear about our checking accounts? – All deposits, no withdrawals. It’s good to have a first lady that understands the meaning of a dollar. The last one only knew how to spend them like they were going out of style,,,,Which they would have if President Trump hadn’t won.

          • AKLady

            Congress spends the money.
            You elect Congress.
            Trump’s security expense is already higher than
            that of Obama’s first year in office.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            What the Heil? As the Nazi Party rose to power, Hitler used the slogan “Make Germany Great Again.”

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            WE THE PEOPLE ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            WE THE PEOPLE DEFEATED OBAMA AND HIS LIBERAL THUGS!!!!!!!!!
            WE THE PEOPLE DEFEATED CROOKED EVIL LYING DISGRACEFUL HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            WE THE PEOPLE DEFEATED THE LYING FAKE NEWS MEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f849e81cb8270bac0bb564c46ed7e1ff068bcd431a39584d135dcf21024cb77.png

          • AKLady

            We the People elected Hillary.
            Your political controllers elected Trump.
            They certainly have done a great job brainwashing you.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • Mathew Molk

            I allays like Cain way before President Trump even said he was going to run for office. – He is a man who always talks common seance and logic.

          • AKLady

            Common sense?

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Just like East Germany.
            Just like Hitler.
            We the People elected Hillary.
            Your controllers put Trump in office, just like they do in Communist countries.

          • AKLady

            Problem — it is the so-called Conservatives who’s heads are exploding.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Did your Momma teach you to steal?

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            You said you were blocking me ../
            Yet. here you are.
            Just another one of your lies.

          • Krazeehors

            President Trump himself said in his press conference that he had fired Michael Flynn. When a POTUS asks for someone’s resignation, they are being fired.

            Those people who have business ties in Russia are NOT necessarily tied TO President Trump, and YOU make far too many assumptions.

            Yes, Trump USED to own the Miss Universe Corporation, but he had NOTHING to do with who won the beauty pageant to choose the winner.

            There IS NO Trump Tower in Russia, only an “interest in POSSIBLY building one there.”

            You are such a liar it isn’t funny.

            All I had to do was plug in YOUR WORDS to prove you wrong.

            Go away, you hateful excuse for a human being.

          • AKLady

            The lies Trump told just at the debate:

            He lied about the loan his father once gave him.
            He lied about his company’s bankruptcies.
            He lied about his federal financial-disclosure forms.
            He lied about his endorsements.
            He lied about “stop and frisk.”
            He lied about “birtherism.”
            He lied about New York.
            He lied about Michigan and Ohio.
            He lied about Palm Beach, Fla.
            He lied about Janet Yellen and the Federal Reserve.
            He lied about the trade deficit.
            He lied about Hillary Clinton’s tax plan.
            He lied about her child-care plan.
            He lied about China devaluing its currency.
            He lied about Mexico having the world’s largest factories.
            He lied about the United States’s nuclear arsenal.
            He lied about NATO’s budget.
            He lied about NATO’s terrorism policy.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            Boring, boring …
            Always a copy cat.
            Never anything original

          • off2shop

            I’m wondering why I even care what this AKLady has to say, but here I go..Trump request he gets paid $1.00 (one dollar) per year! His grown children does not a to be covered by national security, just the 10 yr. old boy. Obama “children” were covered under security as was his mother-in-law and she sure traveled with the family on Air Force One and was not charged extra along with the other 47 people that M. invited to Africa. Check your facts or get off the line. You are tiresome. And I think you are “paid” to start crap!

          • AKLady

            His grown children are being provided security.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            But you don’t want to pay for it.
            Typical right-wing.
            Start two wars and pay for them with money barrowed from China.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            You can steal.
            You can repeat yourself.
            .
            Why is no one impressed?

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AKLady

            You can steal.
            You can repeat yourself.
            .
            Why is no one impressed?
            You also lie .. You said you were blocking me.

        • jetmagnet

          No fruitcake! the taxpayer pays for the idiot!

        • Mathew Molk

          I can almost understand that. Would you want to be trapped on the same airplane with moochie? – I get sick just looking at her(or is it his) ugly face.

      • GODBlessRealAmerica!

        We kicked Obams’s ASS out!!!!!!!!!! woooooooo hooooooooooooooo
        PRESIDENT TRUMP a real President! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/92c96b9594849c40e19a6df02a248e981ad357745e8be108d2d689eb9e496a63.gif

      • GODBlessRealAmerica!
        • AKLady

          Still stealing other people’s work.
          Just like your idol Trump.

      • GODBlessRealAmerica!
      • GODBlessRealAmerica!
      • GODBlessRealAmerica!
  • jim

    The Republicans should have been busting azz to come up with something! Watch those freekin’ Rinos fall flat on their faces ! If not from sheer arrogance but to stick it to the best guy in the WH since Ronald Reagan. Those basturds !

  • Tired…

    The architects of the ACA never intended it to work, so pointing out the obvious only distracts from the real goal. The ACA’s failure will be re-framed as proof that we need a single payer system, which has been the plan all along. It is time that conservatives articulate the reasons why we don’t want a single payer system because, like it or not, there are some valid reasons for creating one.

    • Mike

      what are the reasons against single payer?

      • Tired…

        The VA is a microcosm of what a federal program would look like, too much government control over individuals, the inevitability of healthcare rationing, and providing healthcare is not the constitutional role of government.

      • Krazeehors

        Medicare is a single payer system.

        • Laddyboy

          YEP! You pay monthly for coverage you must pay 80% to 100% of the cost YOURSELF, because that procedure is not covered.

    • Francisco Machado

      Like there are valid reasons for swimming away from a sinking ship – even when you’re in mid ocean with no rescue in sight. The “valid reasons” are because Obama employed a deliberate scorched earth policy of sufficiently damaging the pre-existing systems to make retreat impractical if not impossible. “…and if you like the policy you have, this won’t affect you. You can just keep that policy….” except that it won’t exist any more. The Obama/Hillary solution to the sinking ACA ship would have been to cut another hole in the bottom to let the water run out. It’s crazy to say they’d claim it would let the water out instead of letting more in? Remember this: Obama said he was going to increase the availability of health care and reduce the cost. Grade school economics: If you provide more of a product (or service) it will cost more to do so – unless you reduce quality to the crap level or increase efficiency, and – with government – you can forget the efficiency solution. Especially with a seven foot high stack of regulations.

  • jim_wright

    Obamacare is doing exactly what it was dedigned to do, fail. The democrsts, led by Obama, intended this to be their gateway to single-payer government owned and opersted health-care. Obama intended to destroyc the existing system and Hillary would oversee the government complete takeover.

    • kotoc

      You weren’t supposed to say that. First thing you know, Hillary will be sending her Secret Service after you! LOL (Scary, though… I’m quite sure how she does business, but I can’t prove it.)

  • depaz

    Planned “failure” to force us ono a single payer system. I don’t know about anybody else, but I don’t want the government anymore involved in my health care than they (too much so) already are. There isn’t a single government-run program that isn’t hemorrhaging money. They’ve proven they can’t be trusted to run ANYTHING!! I heard someone say once that if the federal government was in charge of the Sahara Desert, they’d be out of sand in 5 years. . . . .

    • kotoc

      You got that right!!

    • jimmy midnight

      I doubt it was actually planned that way, but…. Being forced 2 join the civilized world in having socialized medicine would be the best thing that’s happened here since Lee surrendered.

      • Tired…

        Either it was planned that way or the architects of the ACA were idiots…and I don’t believe that they are idiots.

        • jimmy midnight

          U don’t have 2 B an idiot 2 do idiotic things here and there.

          • Tired…

            We can parse words, but in general principle I agree with you; however I do not believe that the principle applies to a group project of national prominence that was vetted by experts and took years to develop. This is more than one person making a mistake. Most average Americans knew that this would happen, and frankly said as much to their legislators, so one has to think that those in the government weren’t surprised by the outcome.

        • AKLady

          The ACA has nothing, whatsoever, to do with it.
          Insurance companies have NEVER been able to compete across state lines.
          Each state has its own laws.

      • J.B.Jacobs

        When you are forced to join something you are paying for, the cost will never stop going up. Look at the mandatory Liability insurance you have to carry on your automobile, I had liability insurance on my car when they made it mandatory. It was cheap before that and it’s been going up every year. I’m paying about 300% more than I was before they passed that law. Health insurance is no different. When ever the government mandates something, the cost skyrockets.

        • OopsyDaisy3

          Regarding Auto Insurance, i agree with you. I purchased my auto, a 2002 Z71
          Suburban, Chevrolet, paid $58,000 for it including 4 years of interest and i have had it renewed mechanically and i am still paying the same insurance premium i paid for it brand new. It probably would not bring $4,000 if that. So why am i paying the same amount, no wrecks, no record. When i asked my insurance fella he just stares at me. Nothing comes out of his mouth but thank you for your business!!!

          • Laddyboy

            You have been paying a “rate increase” every year. I still say the cost of the insurance should be lowered each year as the vehicle gets older.

          • Ed Anderson

            Ever try to buy, or even find, replacement parts for a vehicle older than about 5 years?

          • OopsyDaisy3

            This was in response to Laddyboy. I had a beautiful Mastiff big black fella that we named Laddyboy. Your moniker brought back some great memories.
            Regarding insurance rates.
            Thanks glad someone agrees with me. There ought to be a law.
            If i were accident prone and all i could understand along with my
            age. I guess i could just carry liability. But if the other driver was at fault and did not carry insurance i would be out anyway. Darned if you do and darned if you don’t.

          • AKLady

            In 1945, a pound of ham sold for $0.10
            Today, at our local grocery, the price is $10.99 per pound https://www.fredmeyer.com/weeklyAd
            Your insurance cost ideas are way out of line.

        • John Williams

          Too many cannot understand the very simple fact that you cannot place the “cost of bureaucracy” i.e. the government, in the in the middle of something and make things cheaper, it is an impossible task.

          • AKLady

            Too many cannot understand, tat without regulations,
            and fool could claim to be a doctor and sell worthless fake drugs.
            Once upon a time, barbers were surgeons. Is that what you want?

          • Ed Anderson

            We already have “regulations”….they’re called LAWS. We certainly don’t need any more, we just need to enforce the ones we have. You could stand some spelling and typing lessons and maybe even some English grammar lessons.

          • AKLady

            I am dyslexic.
            Feel free to insult, you are not the first, you won’t be the last.

          • Ed Anderson

            Sorry, I had no way of knowing. In the future, I’ll be thinking twice before criticizing anyone’s typing. Also, if you don’t want to get “dusted off” in future discussions, you need to make sure of your facts and understand the way that government and economics work.

          • AKLady

            I am very familiar with how the government and economy function.
            My education:
            M.D. Uniformed Services University of Health Sciences
            MBA, Cardinal Stritch College, Wisconsin.
            CEU – U.S.D.A. Graduate School.
            CEU – University of South Carolina, School of Medicine
            CEU – University o Wisconsin

          • Ed Anderson

            All of that took a lot of work. Congratulations!

          • AKLady

            Thank you.
            Add the fact I am dyslexic … yes, brag, yes, I used proof readers.

            Interestingly, two of my children are dyslexic, they are both doctors.
            Both are serving in Afghanistan.

          • Ed Anderson

            Yeah , you mentioned your dyslexia before. I know you’re proud of your children. I’ll be praying that the two who are currently in Afghanistan are able to do great things there and make it home safely. Are they in the military or in civilian service?

          • AKLady

            Military. Modern warfare has moved combat hospitals a bit further back, but Afghanistan is a whole different set of war rules. Thank you for caring about those who serve our country.

          • Bruce O’Ryan

            Sobriety would also be a huge help…

          • mac12sam12

            You realize that you’re communicating with stuck on stupid, correct?

          • Ed Anderson

            I know, but I always feel obligated to at least try to save the lost.

          • William McClure

            Yet, planned murderhood, a “healthcare provider” has FOUGHT against laws that would require it to abide by the same sanitary standards any other health care facility needs to abide by and having on staff personnel with admitting privileges at a local hospital. No more “coathangers”? BULL.

          • AKLady

            Someone has done an excellent job of brainwashing you.
            Sanitary standards have nothing to do with the issues.
            On the other, hand, people like you have everything to do with it.
            You see, set o controlling the lives of other people, especially women.
            .
            A zygote is not alive, it is not a baby.
            The sperm, you murder by the thousands meet the scientific definition of life.

      • Krazeehors

        Who is going to PAY for it? YOU??

        The Republicans are already working (daily) on the replacement for OCare. One thing that absolutely HAS to happen is for Insurance Companies to be able to compete across state lines. Under OCare, they can’t.

        • jimmy midnight

          When the big bourgeois have a problem that everyone’s hero, Mo’ Money, can fix, they, “Just click on Print.”
          .
          When determination is present, money can B found, with or without crossing state lines. Imagine going hat-in-hand 2 Alabama or Idaho, and begging their boards of insurance to enforce your claim on some insurer or other. Even good luck won’t help U then

        • AKLady

          Insurance companies have NEVER been able to compete across state lines.
          Each state has its own laws.

          • Krazeehors

            No shit, Sherlock!!! That’s why Trump and our Congress are going to change it.

          • AKLady

            Constitutionally not possible.

          • Krazeehors

            WHERE in the Constitution does it address whether or not an insurance company can compete across state lines?

            Answer: NOWHERE!!

            I know all about States’ Rights.

            Buzz off.

          • AKLady

            Try the unremunerated rights and powers, i.e., Amendments 9 & 10.

          • Krazeehors

            And one of those powers is the right to regulate interstate commerce, such as insurance.

            The ACA should have NEVER been ruled as a “tax.” That whole decision was dirty from the outset and if you don’t know that, then you need a tow truck.

          • AKLady

            Medical debt is the #1 reason for bankruptcy filings.

            Medical BAD DEBT is the #1 reason U.S. health care is the world’s most expensive medical care.

            Don’t come whining about Medicaid and Medicare, the majority of doctors now refuse to accept both.

            The U.S, is the only modern, industrialized country which does not have a form of national health care in place. Don’t come whining about Medicaid and Medicare, the majority of doctors now refuse to accept both.

            We are the sole modern country which allows people to die, simply because they cannot afford health care.

          • AKLady

            Maybe you should spend some time studying an issue called states’ rights.

          • Ed Anderson

            I will agree with you that needs to change.

          • AKLady

            It is a Constitutional issue called States’ Rights. It is not going to change.

          • Ed Anderson

            One thing about the Constitution…there are mechanisms in place to change it.

          • AKLady

            It is nearly impossible to enact new amendments. In the 220-plus years since ratification of the Constitution, more than 11,000 amendments have been proposed, but only 27 have been enacted.

          • Ed Anderson

            I realize you liberals like things easy, but the Founding Fathers knew what they were doing by making the process difficult. If it were easy, we’d now have a few thousand amendments, many of them frivolous, and our situation would be even more confused than it currently is.

          • AKLady

            The data is not a political issue.
            The amendments are in limbo, as to say — never been put forward for ‘We the People’ to review. Never having read any of them, I cannot remark on content.

      • Francisco Machado

        The reason leaders of armies ordered the bridges burned behind them was so their soldiers knew retreat wasn’t possible. The reason the ACA destroyed the existing health insurance structure – the plans you couldn’t keep because they were no longer permitted by ACA rules – was so people couldn’t retreat to what they had before when they found out Obamacare was worse. If it had been better, if it had saved them the $2400 a year, it would have beat the old system in the market place. And the ACA devisers knew it or they wouldn’t have found it necessary to have a penalty for not buying into it. As far as Socialized Medicine goes, we have the VA hospitals as an existing “experiment” in it and we’ve seen the wonders of Obamacare. If you were to list reasons the Democrats lost the House, the Senate, the Presidency and most of the states, Obamacare would probably top the list. There’s a government ideology that believes in centralized control, determine what the people should have, force it on them and take their money from them to pay for it. It is the ideology of the Progressives. We are, however, a Union of Individual States to which states devolve the powers not delegated to the federal government – and management of health care isn’t one of the powers Constitutionally delegated to the federal government. If one state implements socialized medicine (or an alternate plan) and it proves successful, other states will copy it. If it fails, citizens have the option of moving to other states. Interestingly, under Obama, the number of citizens emigrating to other countries has grown.

        • jimmy midnight

          The single most important reason 4 recent electoral; losses was felony disenfranchisement.

          States’ Rights means race oppression, which U, as a Latino, should B aware of.

          Whatever passes legislative muster, is enabled Constitutionally, under either, “General Welfare,” or, “Interstate Commerce.”

          Apparently U don’t know it yet, but your actual grievance is with insurers, and the, “Dictatorship oof the financialitariat,” of which they R the leading element.

          • Francisco Machado

            With very small exception, states set the laws regarding voting. Felons “disenfranchise” themselves by committing felonies, hence felony disenfranchisement. They’ve demonstrated that they don’t exactly have the best interests of the state or the people as their prime voting motivation. Felons have been disenfranchised for as long as I can recall – if they ever had the vote. There are a few Democrats (and no Republicans) in favor of restoring their voting rights which could get the Democrats some votes – but keep in mind that the opposition – even the primary opponent to the candidate proposing it – could use that as a strong campaign point – “My opponent wants to give criminals voting rights! you know who he expects them to vote for!” A candidate proposing that could lose more votes than he would gain. I seriously doubt it would have put the Democrats in power. The Democrats are ideologically certain that they are right, everyone else is wrong, the voters were stupid not to vote for them and currently blaming everyone but themselves – even the Russians – for causing them to lose. If they stay on that tack, they will stay lost at sea.

          • AKLady

            Felony
            A serious crime, characterized under federal law and many state statutes as any offense punishable by death or imprisonment in excess of one year.
            .

          • AKLady

            You are 100% correct.

        • AKLady

          Garbage piled higher and deeper.
          Originally, the ACA was a Republican idea.

        • Ed Anderson

          What a great post, Francisco. Great insight!

      • AKLady

        You are 100% correct.
        The U.S. enjoys the world’s most expensive healthcare system.
        We are the only modern, industrialized county that alliwas people to die — just because them cannot afford to buy medical care.
        In Alaska, a simple doctors visit runs $200 or more.
        In the 1970s, the average cost was $15.00.

        • jimmy midnight

          Thanks 2 my friend and fellow realist.

        • Ed Anderson

          “…allows people to die.” Do you mean like veterans in VA (i.e. government-controlled hospitals?

          • AKLady

            Congress decides how much funding the VA gets.
            You elect Congress..

            Don’t blame “The Government” for your failures

          • Ed Anderson

            So, I did it! Does that mean you didn’t vote?

          • AKLady

            I voted.
            I let the Alaskans in Congress know what I want them to do.
            The individual responsibility does not end with voting.
            However, in Alaska, the oil industry has great power.

        • mac12sam12

          It’s called inflation, numb nuts. Colt single action revolvers cost $7 dollars in 1890.

          • AKLady

            It is not related to inflation. It is a product of supply and demand, where supply is artificially kept low.

    • AKLady

      Why do you need to tell these lies?
      Why do you embarrass America this way?
      Why do you believe it is acceptable to lie?
      Why do you believe it is acceptable to repeat lies?

      • lha

        Go back to your crack pipe,you demented Bitch!!

        • AKLady

          Thank you.
          Your input is always welcome
          It says so much about you.

          • mac12sam12

            Repeat yourself much? Alzheimer disease?

          • AKLady

            Thank you for proving my point.

  • jim

    Obama was a failure as a President . Now he wants to form a shadow government , along with George Soros , to preserve his legacy . God help us !

    • Laddyboy

      Jim: The biggest problem is that the DemocRATic communist Party and its adherents are working and co-operating with him. ANYONE in ANY governmental position who is ILLEGALLY helping with this ILLEGAL, ILLOGICAL group MUST be held INDIVIDUALLY responsible. Arrested, Charged,
      Tried and then Punished under Constitutional Law.

      • AKLady

        Blah, blah, blah, lie, insult …repeat ad nauseam.
        Tedious, boring, repetitive …

    • AKLady

      Why do you need to tell this lie?
      Why do you embarrass America this way?
      Why do you believe it is acceptable to lie?
      Why do you believe it is acceptable to repeat lies?

  • curmudgeon VN Veteran

    Obamacare has been on a death spiral ever since the party moron, Pelosi, said we have to pass it to see what’s in it. Nana has gone from mild dementia to full blown Alzheimer’s right before our disbelieving eyes.

  • SouthernPatriot

    President Trump, echoed by Paul Ryan, said they will concentrate on getting rid of Obamacare after the 10 day break which starts today. So, in 11 days, we will see the work the Republicans have put into replacing Obamacare. The leftist demented media has lied to all, stating the Republicans did not have a plan. Lie. Obamacare has tentacles throughout the economy and is about 1/5 of our economy it is so huge.

    Ryan said Trump’s replacement plan will have some major points: 1. free up medical/health care to state administration rather than federal 2. Inter-state, across state borders, competition between insurance companies, remove the fines upon individuals and companies for non-compliance; and other free-market solutions. Eleven more days and we will see the demise of Obamacare begin and a new better and less expensive program come forth.

    • Francisco Machado

      The Republican candidates campaigned in 2014 to defund Obamacare. They were all in a froth about it – they were going to do everything possible…. and they promptly passed the Omnibus Spending Bill. So don’t hold your breath.

      • Laddyboy

        Francisco: Think of a jellyfish with is MULTITUDE of tentacles, obamadon’care tentacles are spread MANY ways in hidden taxes and “rules” which need to be EXCISED. This does not happen over night. Remember the “death board” that 0bama had established behind the scenes. This is where people in a back room decide if you are WORTHY to receive medical care or not. I am not sure if it is still there or has it been removed.

        • SouthernPatriot

          Absolutely!

      • ABO

        You’ve got a point there, Francisco.

      • SouthernPatriot

        11 more days, they will begin. My Senator, a physician, whom I know well, said it will happen, so I believe him.

      • Ed Anderson

        Well, at least now, they don’t have to worry about a presidential veto when they pass a repeal bill.

  • MILES E DRAKE

    Obongocare is not failing, it is succeeding in doing precisely what it was crafted to do. The plan from the getgo was to collapse the private healthcare system in such a way that the people would clamor for a government takeover. The only hitch is that the collapse was supposed to come either while Obola was still in power or under the regime of his hand-picked successor. This explains in part the increasingly treasonous and violent determination of the party of Marx, Mohammed and Mapplethorpe to overthrow the legitimately-elected administration and institute either a Soros puppet regime under Obuna or through some complicated chicanery maneuver the bribe-taking baby-killing bulldyke into the presidency after all. Congress must treat Obumucare like Prince Yusupov and his followers treated Rasputin a century ago: shoot it, stab it, club it, poison it and then drown it – whatever it takes to make it dead.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    They don’t have life spirals!

  • kassa1

    A Democrat Senator in the early days of Obama care, said Obama care was a train wreck waiting to happen.

  • Peter Pihun

    Obama is dead and so are the dumbocrats who support Obamacare!

  • Cadfael

    To the point, let’s get this dog repealed – it don’t hunt!

  • barry1817

    as an associate with a giant in the dental care profession, this man had on his treatment rooms for his patients to see.

    You can have great care, low cost care, speedy care,
    But remember you can only have two

    With government you get to choose none, as you get poor care, higher costs and longer delays and that to liberals in progress as everybody now has the miserable choices.

  • CCblogging

    We all knew that Ovomitcare would fail. It was/is all about wealth redistribution and didn’t have squat to do with quality healthcare. Guess who’s wealth is being redistributed and to whom.

    • tCotUS

      Yea, remember when Pisslosi said just sign it, we will review it later…. Trump still must drain the swamp…Turds like her must be flushed down the sewer.

  • daveveselenak

    Let “US” perfectly clear: this Soviet style “Death Care” was always meant to kill the middle class, kill the relationship between patient and doctor while leaving the REGIME mostly in charge of the patients medical care. infanticide, euthanasia, and destroy capitalism – that is why the Communist Party USA implemented this DEATH CARE!

    • tCotUS

      O’vomit says nothing will change, you can keep your own doctor, & it will be so much more affordable…Today we have how many without health insurance? Seems like the only ones covered are the refugee’s, & illegals.(law says they can’t be turned away) O’Vomit should be in prison along with the DumboRAT Congressmen that pushed this crap on America..

      • daveveselenak

        The Muslim-Marxist jihadist and former “Dick-taker-N-Thief” along with his former ole ugly commie political whore “Hillary the Pillory” and a few other sycophants should be facing a firing squad for committing treason – I’ll be more than glad to pay for the bullets!

        • tCotUS

          Agreed Dave..I will supply the blindfolds for them, popcorn & drinks for us….

  • Dennis Derstine

    The ACA was designed to fail. That way when it did fail the people would scream for the government to do something. Here comes the single payer system they wanted all along.

  • donl

    I do NOT have Obie care, but when i was in the hospital, the first 4 days they had me in a room with 3 other people, when they realized i had regular insurance they put me in a room by myself, brought me the paper, waited on me hand and foot. But i still had to beg to get out.

  • TPS12

    msm loves it so much they should put all their employees on it, I’ll bet they would change their tune than. If it’s so good why aren’t all government politicians and employees on it? My wife is on it and I’ll tell you this it sucks! Cost double what it did last year, had to change insurance co due to the last one dropped out and now must find a new doctor 20 miles away. Yea dems/bo thanks.

  • GuardianFlame

    Anyone who keeps up with Congress already knows they have a replacement Medical plan on board. They are finalizing the details before releasing it.

    DON’T BELIEVE ANYTHING COMING OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF LIBERALS OR LIBERAL MEDIA! They are incapable of speaking truths — especially when it comes to our President and his Conservative Congress taking action.

    At this point in time, most Presidents have not accomplished the security measures that P.T. has — even fighting the lame childish democraps who keep halting his cabinet appointments. He has been going at full throttle to remove, repeal, or replace obama’s inept and anti-American policies.

    You have to be dead in the ground to not see what bho has tried to do to our great Nation! P.T. saw it immediately and is in the “FIX IT” mode to save Americans and our country.

    The only screams you hear when P.T. makes an action is that of a desperate reality-removed liberal clutching to their radicalized dreams of immorality and destruction of our Nation. Put in EAR PLUGS! Eventually when all Americans see a more stable, financially secure and militarily strong America, the screams will stop as the democratic party loses more and more supporters to a saner more productive Conservative Party. It’s coming, just a matter of time and better legislation!

    The Liberal Media? A very lost cause that will fade in the night. No one will miss their lies and innuendos. The PEACE will be wonderful!

  • PBHayes

    Years ago one of the smartest men I know told me the government should simply make the government employees health plan system available to the entire nation. We’re now retired federal employees and we enjoy a fairly good health care plan that is reasonably priced.Each year during open season we can review all the plans that are available and pick the one that best suits our needs and our financial abilities. Make it available to everyone, problem solved.

  • jetmagnet

    Well over 20 million Americans have healthcare they’ve never had
    before thanks to the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare. But, that
    number isn’t high enough to keep greedy Republicans from trying to screw
    them out of it.

    The proof just came when House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) was asked about where the money would come from for high-risk pools,
    his answer to rising health care costs. Instead of having cost
    protections, as it’s set up now under the current Affordable Healthcare
    Act, Ryan wants people with serious medical conditions to be placed in
    high-risk pools. What a swell guy.
    I guess you dupes are screwed! lol
    Alot of you dummies probably have medicare , some medicaid, both will be cut by trillions-good luck! hahahahahahaha

    • Rummy Walker

      Well over 50 million who had good health coverage now have inferior coverage or no coverage at all. They were paying customers. Now, if they have coverage, they are paying much more for much less. The 20 million your ilk likes to tout are non paying customers, the takers who are always there for the freebies. That 20 million number always made me laugh. If you are giving someone away, it is not hard to find 20 million to take it. Frankly, I’m amazed it not twice as many.
      You would do well to expand your knowledge beyond the bias rags you always like to quote. Find some facts, not just liberal talking points. If you were informed you would know that high risk pools are not death camps. I would explain but you need to learn for yourself before making stupid comments in a public forum. Try introducing yourself to basic economics. You will learn concepts like budgets, sustainability, deficits, imploding. You will find out why insurance companies and state exchanges are running as fast as they can from Obamacare. Your posts make you look like the fool that you are. Try to learn, to think for yourself, and to write with some maturity. If you do, your posts should improve and your opinions possibly valued.

      • snowyriver

        Rummy: Here is something to raise your ire.. I know it did mine…

        Before Obama left office he arranged with the State Department for a series of “official visits” to foreign countries spanning the next 20 years. Using discretionary funds from the Office of Presidential Visits and Vacations, Obama was able to weasel what would have been another $2.1 billion in free vacations for him and up to 24 members of his family plus staff and a dog sitter until the year 2036.
        He would have, that is, had he not lost his office to Donald Trump. Trump, who is always looking for ways to save money, was having the office used for vacations repainted with 24 karat gold leaf trim and having the shelves lined with leather when he was presented with a ledger that contained all of the travel plans and expenses. The ledger was found by one of the 31 workers Trump hired from outside the typical White House staff to make alterations requiring specialized craftsmen.
        Our President immediately canceled the plans and recalled all Secret Service agents scheduled to protect the Obamas anywhere outside of the United States. The Obamas, who are still waiting in Kenya for their documents so they can re-enter the country, are also facing another new challenge at the hands of Trump: They’re going to have to repay the government for all of those vacations that weren’t official state business.
        The bill, after some small allowances for days that were possibly work related, is for $214 million. Of the 692 days the Obamas spent on vacation, almost none included any work at all. They ate, slept and golfed and Michelle was given shopping allowances from the Office of Discretionary Gifting Funds, which is supposed to be used to buy presents for visiting dignitaries.
        It’s just one scandal after another with these people.

        • Rummy Walker

          Snowy — That does make me crazy. The Obamas had their hands so deep in our pockets it IS criminal. They felt that they deserved the life of royalty. WTF, they were only civil servants. I read somewhere that Michele’s mother received a huge pension for babysitting their children. If that is true my blood pressure will never come down.
          Our new President is truly draining the swamp. Making these entitled pricks pay for their overly lavish spending of taxpayer money is a fantastic first step. He is making the establishment crazy. He is making the rest of us very happy.

          AMERICA FIRST.

          • snowyriver

            These are facts….

            Lets read our Constitution. First and very important, Article VI, paragraph 2. “The Constitution shall be the supreme Law of the Land”. Now back to the beginning. Reading (now consider yourself a patriot that just overcame a tyrannical government) You come to article 1, section 8, clause, 10. Congress shall have the power to define and punish offences against The Law of Nations. What is this Law of Nations?? Does this clause give Congress the power of the tyrant we just overthrew?? Maybe we better read The Law of Nations to see just what power our new Congress has.. So we read The Law of Nations. Pay special attention in book 1, chapter 19, article 212.. After we finish The Law of Nations, we go back to reading the Constitution. Coming to article II, section 1, clause 5, we read that no person except a “natural born Citizen” of the United States shall be eligible for the office of president. Didn’t we read what a “natural born Citizen” was in The Law of Nations? Yes — “born on the land with parents as citizens”.. Note parents and citizens are both plural. Here we have a problem, Obama has produced a birth certificate showing born in Hawaii with a father who was a citizen of Kenya (makes Obama not eligible). .. Oh sorry that birth certificate has been proven to be false, but there is another birth certificate in the British archives filed there by Kenya showing Obama born in Kenya with a father who was a citizen of Kenya..”

            http://www.catholicbook.com/catholicbook/Obama%20summary.htm
            (makes Obama twice not eligible).. Now does it sound like Barack Obama is a “natural born Citizen” of the United States and eligible to be president? If the answer is no then he was not a legal president of the United States, and everything he has done, every rule of law he has signed are NULL and VOID.

          • snowyriver

            Here is a wonderful site to visit.. enjoy…
            (http://theobamafile.websitetoolbox.com/)

  • AKLady

    He has been in office less than a month:

    There are ‘brown shirts’ demanding “papers please”.
    The right-wing extremists have been planning for this day.

    Will Muslims be required to wear a crescent on their clothes?
    What symbol will Hispanics be required to sew on their’s?

    Just how far will Trump take his hate and bigotry?
    Which race/ethnicity will he damn next?

  • snowyriver

    Obama=Care ???
    Lets read our Constitution. First and very important, Article VI, paragraph 2. “The Constitution shall be the supreme Law of the Land”. Now back to the beginning. Reading (now consider yourself a patriot that just overcame a tyrannical government) You come to article 1, section 8, clause, 10. Congress shall have the power to define and punish offences against The Law of Nations. What is this Law of Nations?? Does this clause give Congress the power of the tyrant we just overthrew?? Maybe we better read The Law of Nations to see just what power our new Congress has.. So we read The Law of Nations. Pay special attention in book 1, chapter 19, article 212.. After we finish The Law of Nations, we go back to reading the Constitution. Coming to article II, section 1, clause 5, we read that no person except a “natural born Citizen” of the United States shall be eligible for the office of president. Didn’t we read what a “natural born Citizen” was in The Law of Nations? Yes — “born on the land with parents as citizens”.. Note parents and citizens are both plural. Here we have a problem, Obama has produced a birth certificate showing born in Hawaii with a father who was a citizen of Kenya (makes Obama not eligible). .. Oh sorry that birth certificate has been proven to be false, but there is another birth certificate in the British archives filed there by Kenya showing Obama born in Kenya with a father who was a citizen of Kenya..”

    http://www.catholicbook.com/catholicbook/Obama%20summary.htm
    (makes Obama twice not eligible).. Now does it sound like Barack Obama is a “natural born Citizen” of the United States and eligible to be president? If the answer is no then he was not a legal president of the United States, and everything he has done, every rule of law he has signed are NULL and VOID.

  • Walter Flatt

    OF COURSE IT FAILED, IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO SUCEED. OBAMA NEARLY SUCEEDED IN DOING WHAT HE PLANNED TO DO FROM THE START, DESTROY AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT AND TURN IT INTO A MUSLIM STATE.

    HOW MANY OF OUR JUDGES & POLITICIANS ARE FOR THIS?? THIS COULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT READ IN YOUR LIFETIME.

    FROM A KOREAN WAR VET 51/53. A CHRISTIAN & REG. DEM. AND A 50+ YEAR MASTER MASON.

    HAS OBAMA SET HIMSELF UP TO BE THE LEADER OF A MUSLILM TRY TO TAKE OVER THIS COUNTRY? READ THE BELOW AND YOU WILL WONDER ALSO.

    BELOW IS WHAT HILLARY, OBAMA, AND BOTH PARTIES HAS CAUSED TO HAPPEN THE LAST 8 YEARS. ENOUGH OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS HAVE BEEN GIVEN AWAY TO MUSLIMS TO FIX OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND MORE.

    PUBLIC LAW @414, CHAPTER 2, SECTION 212 WAS PASSED IN 1952 BARRING ALL MUSLIMS, ANOTHER LAW 8 US CODE 1182, SPONSORED BY MCCARRAN/WALTERS NOW ENFORCE NOW ENFORCE THEM.

    WE ARE IN WORLD WAR 3 WITH THE MUSLIM RACE. READ THEIR BIBLE. THE QURAN AND GOOGLE, THE NEW CLINTON CHRONICLES AND LISTEN TO ALL. IT’S ABOUT TEEN AGE SEX, RUNNING DOPE OUT OF MEXICO, DOPE & SEX PARTIES, MONEY LAUNDREY, EVEN MURDER.

    JEFFERSON 200 YEARS AGO FOUGHT A WAR AGAINST ISLAM AND WE ARE STILL AT WAR WITH THEM.

    PEOPLE KILED IN CALIFORNIA, TENNESSEE, COLO. FLA. & TEXAS HOW MANY MORE BEFORE WE START DESTROYING THEIR MOSQUES, PICKING THEM UP AND SHIPPING THEM OUT OF THIS COUNTRY?

    I BELIEVE THAT HILARY, OBAMA, KERRY, SORRUS AND THE BIASED MEDIA HAS SET US UP FOR A TRY AT A MUSLIM TAKEOVER. RISE UP AMERICA, THEY HAVE BROUGHT THE WAR TO US NOW.

    BELOW IS WHAT THE PEACEFUL MUSLIMS HAVE DONE TO THE USA, NOT CONSIDERING THE WORLD. THEY ARE OUT TO TAKE OVER. IS OUR PRESENT ADMINSTRATION, ALONG WITH HILLIARY, KERRY, OBAMA WITH THE BACKING OF SOROS AND THE BIASED NEWS MEDIA, TRYING TO DESTROY AMERICA?

    In 2013, the Boston Marathon Bombing resulted in 4 Innocent people, (including a child) being killed and 264 people injured by Muslim males.

    16. TENN, FLA, COLO, CALIF, TEXAS, AND A LOT OF OTHER PLACES THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED OR ATTACKED THIS YEAR IN THE USA THAT THE BIASED NEWS MEDI WILL NOT REPORT.

    15. In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and beheaded by – you guessed it – a Muslim male. (Plus two other American journalists who were just recently beheaded ).

    14. In 2002, the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim males.

    13. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim men, women and children. Shootin, blowing themselves up, knives, etc. they are out to kill all who will not convert to them.

    12. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim males.

    11. In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muslim males.

    10. In 1988, PanAm Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim males.

    9. In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim males.

    8. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70-year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim males.

    7. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim males.

    6. During the 1980 ‘s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim males.

    5. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim males.

    4. In 1973, a PanAm 707 was destroyed in Rome, with 33 people killed, when it was attacked with grenades by Muslim males.

    3. In 1972, a PanAm 747 was hijacked and eventually diverted to Cairo where a fuse was lit on final approach. Shortly after landing it was blown up by Muslim males.

    2. In 1972, at the Munich Olympics, Israeli athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim males.

    1. In 1968, Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by a Muslim male. 47 years since 1968 and this just keeps going on and on. These events are actual events from history. THEY REALLY HAPPENED AND IS STILL GOING ON TODAY TRUMPS RIGHT AGAIN.

    Islam is a terrorist way of saying we are going to kill you infidels.
    barack Hussein Obama cannot say Islamic terrorism BEDCAUSE HE IS ONE.

    We Can’t Seem To Pinpoint The Problem ALL THE BELOW WAS MUSLIMS,

    The Shoe Bomber
    The Beltway Snipers
    The Fort Hood Shooter
    The underwear Bomber
    The U-S.S. Cole Bombers
    The Madrid Train Bombers
    The Bali Nightclub Bombers
    The London Subway Bombers
    The Moscow Theater Attackers
    The Boston Marathon Bombers
    The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers
    The Air France Entebbe Hijackers
    The Iranian Embassy Takeover,
    The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers
    The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack
    The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers
    The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers
    The Kenyan US, Embassy Bombers
    The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers
    The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers
    The Besian Russian School Attackers
    The first World Trade Center Bombers
    The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers
    The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers
    The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers

    ******** ALL THE BELOW ARE ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATIONS **********

    Islamic Jihad :
    ISIS:
    Al-Qaeda:
    Taliban:
    Hamas:
    Hezbollah:
    Boko Haram:
    Al-Nusra:
    Abu Sayyaf:
    Al-Badr:
    Muslim Brotherhood:
    Lashkar-e-Taiba:
    Palestine Liberation Front:
    Ansaru:
    Jemaah Islamiyah:
    Abdullah Azzam Brigades:

    HOW MANY SENATORS, REPRESENTATIVES AND COURT JUDGES ARE IN ON THIS????

  • Ken says

    All the Insurance Companies and all the Liberal Elite Establishment and their Puppets had the whole unAffordable Care Act set up to bilk the patients, rape the taxpayers and stuff their pockets. The scam didn’t work the way it was supposed to – now reality is setting in and we will have to do something real.

  • Walter Flatt

    READ ALL THE BELOW AND GET READY.

    SHARE THIS WITH EVERYONE YOU CAN.

    OBAMA HAS GIVEN BILLIONS TO MUSLIMS THAT ARE TRYING TO KILL US. ENOUGH TO REBUILD OUR MILITARY AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

    PRAY THAT THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN, BUT GET READY, PRESIDENT TRUMP, BE VERY CAREFUL, WE HAVE WORKED TO HARD TO LOSE YOU NOW. FIRE EVERYONE ASSOCIATED WITH OBAMA.

    FROM A KOREAN WAR VET 51/53, A REG. DEM. ALL MY LIFE, BUT I VOTED FOR TRUMP & WILL NEVER VOTE DEM AGAIN AS LONG AS THIS LYING CROOKED MESS IS IN D.C.

    HAS OBAMA SET HIMSELF UP TO BE THE HEAD OF A MUSLIM TRY AT TAKING THIS COUNTRY? BETTER THINK! HE IS A MUSLIM SETTING UP HEADQUARTERS WITH HOLDER IN DC, 5 MUSLIM CAMPS JUST ACROSS THE LINE IN NORTH VA. MUSLIM AND FEMA CAMPS ALL OVER THE USA, MOST CLOSE TO MILITARY BASES. HE HAS TAKEN BILLIONS OF YOUR MONEY AND GIVEN TO MUSLIMS AND HAS DONE NOTHING BUT DAMAGE THE USA. BETTER WAKE UP.

    I BELIEVE WE HAVE BEEN SET UP FOR A TRY AT A MUSLIM INVASION OF THIS COUNTRY BY, HILLIARY, OBAMA, KERRY, SORROS AND THE BIASED MEDIA. READ ALL THE WHYS BELOW.

    WHY ISN’T A LAW BEING ENFORCED BARRING ALL MUSLIMS FROM THIS COUNTRY. THIS LAW WAS PASSED IN 1952. PUBLIC LAW 414, PAGE 2, SECTION 212. ALSO #8 US CODE 482, BARRING ALL INADISSIBLE ALIENS FROM THE USA GOVERNMENT WAS PASSED IN 1952.

    WHY DO YOU THINK ANYTHING OBAMA HAS DONE IS LEGAL, HE HAS CONFESSED TO BEING A MUSLIM ON NATION WIDE TV. EVERYTHING HE HAS SIGNED, OR ORDERED IN 8 YEARS IS ILLEGAL.

    WHY DID HILLIARY HAVE A MUSLIM FROM A RADICAL FAMILY AS HER TOP AIDE FOR 10 YEARS, HUMA COULD BE A PERFECT PIPELINE TO PASS SECRETS TO THE MUSLIM WORLD.

    WHY HAS OBAMA SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH MUSLIMS ANOTHER PERFECT PIPELINE TO PASS SECRETS. HE HAS DECLARED HIMSELF A MUSLIM ON NATIONWIDE TV.

    WHY DOES THE BIASED NEWS MEDIA SAY HE IS NOT A MUSLIM, WHEN I HAVE A LIST OF WHERE 34 TIMES HE HAS EITHER HELPED THEM OR SAID HE WAS ONE.

    WHY GET MAD AT PUTIN, HE SAID THAT THERE WAS NO PLACE IN RUSSIA FOR ANYONE THAT WOULD NOT FOLLOW THEIR LAW AND SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A COUNTRY THAT DID.

    WHY HAS HILLIARY, OBAMA, KERRY AND THE BIASED NEWS MEDIA DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO HELP THE RADICAL MUSLIMS.

    WHY DID THE OBAMA ADMINSTRATION TRY AND BUY UP ALL AMMO?

    WHY TRADE 5 TERRIOST FROM CUBA FOR ONE TRAITOR?

    WHY TRY AND TAKE OUR GUNS? HITLER DID, & HISTORY TELLS US WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

    WHY ALLOW A MINIMUM OF 37 MUSLIM CAMPS HERE IN THE STATES? MOST CLOSE TO MILITARY BASES. I PERSONALLY VERIFIED THE ONES IN SHAWNEE NATIONAL PARK, IN IL. AND THE ONE AT DOVER, TN. AND THE FEMA CAMP IN EAST KY.

    WHY ARE THERE 5 MUSLIM CAMPS IN N. VIRGINIA, CLOSE TO DC? ARE THEY TO TAKE WASHINGTON?

    WHY BUILD A FEMA CAMP IN EVERY STATE, SOME MORE THAN ONE, AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE, WITH ARMED GUARDS? ARE THEY TO HOLD AND TRAIN MUSLIMS?

    WHY ARE THEY BRINGING THOUSANDS OF YOUNG MUSLIMS HERE?

    WHY IS THE TAX PAYER HAVING TO FEED, CLOTH & HOUSE THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF MUSLIMS BEING BROUGHT HERE?

    WHY GIVE THE THOUSANDS OF MUSLIMS BROUGHT IN FREE HEALTH CARE, SPENDING THOUSANDS FOR HOSPITAL CARE?

    WHY ARE THE ILLEGALS BEING TREATED BETTER THAN OUR VETERANS.

    WHY STOP THE TANK AND PLANE SHIPPMENT TO EGYPT, WHEN THEIR ARMY KICKED THE RADICALS OUT?

    WHY DID OUR GOVERNMENT SEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO HELP THE RADICALS IN IRAN, A COUNTRY OUT TO DESTROY US?

    WHY ARE WE SENDING BILLIONS TO ARAB COUNTRIES, AND LETING OUR COUNTRY GO TO POT?

    WHY DONT THEY ENFORCE THE LAW BARRING ALL MUSLIMS FROM THIS COUNTRY? PRAY THAT TRUMP WILL DO THIS.

    WHY IS THE MUSLIM MAJOR IN TEXAS LIVING THAT KILLED 14 SOLDIERS AND WOUNDED A LOT MORE?

    WHY ARE THEY RELEASING ALL MUSLIMS IN CUBA TO GO BACK INTO ACTION TO KILL OUR SOLDIERS?

    WHY DONT WE HANG ALL MUSLIMS CAUGHT AND BURY THEM WITH PIG PARTS, LIKE GENERAL PERSHING DID IN THE PHILLIPENS? HE STOPPED A MUSLIM UPRISING BY DOING JUST THAT.

    WHY WAS OBAMA ALLOWED TO SWEAR IN CARLOYN WALKER AS JUDGE IN BROOKLIN USING THE QURAN?

    WHY ALLOW ILLEGALS TO FLOOD OUR COUNTRY WHEN THEY COST MORE PER YEAR THAN THE IRAQ WAR.

    WHY SEND BILLIONS TO MUSLIM COUNTRIES TRYING TO KILL US.

    WHY DONT THE BIASED MEDIA REPORT ALL THIS.

    YOU SAY THAT A MUSLIM TRY AT A TAKEOVER IS IMPOSSIBLE, I CAN TAKE 100 WELL ARMED PEOPLE AND TAKE ANY BASE IN 1 HOUR, OUR TROOPS ARE NOT ARMED.

    BETTER COAT ALL YOU AMMO WITH PIGS BLOOD OR GREASE, LET THE WORLD KNOW YOU ARE DOING SO.

    TRUMP IS NOW THE PRESIDENT, SO, GET ON BOARD AND HELP HIM STRAIGHTEN THIS MESS OUT. PRAY FOR HIS PROTECTION EACH DAY.

    I HAVE A LOT MORE FACTS IF ANYONE WANTS THEM. SHARE THIS.