Ryan: GOP Goal is Not Universal Health Insurance







In an interview with CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday, House Speaker Paul Ryan tried to wrangle control of the Obamacare repeal-and-replace messaging with a clarification on one of the left’s most persistent criticisms. Instead of trying to argue that more Americans will be covered by the American Health Care Act, Ryan explained that the GOP’s goal was not to compete with Obamacare in terms of how many people have health insurance.

Asked how many people would lose their insurance coverage under the new law, Ryan said, “I can’t answer that question. It’s up to people.”

Ryan explained that the question was not relevant to the Republican strategy.

“Here’s the premise of your question: Are you going to stop mandating people buy health insurance?” Ryan said. “People are going to do what they want to do with their lives because we believe in individual freedom in this country.”

Ryan said that any Democrats who pointed to analyses from S&P Global or the Congressional Budget Office were missing the point of what Republicans were trying to do. Because while those reports would inevitably prove that less people would have health insurance under the GOP plan, they would not prove that the AHCA had “stolen” insurance coverage from those people.

“It’s not our job to make people do something that they don’t want to do,” Ryan said. “It is our job to have a system where people can get universal access to affordable coverage if they choose to do so or not. That’s what we’re going to be accomplishing.

“The one thing I’m certain will happen is CBO will say, ‘Well, gosh, not as many people will get coverage.’ You know why? Because this isn’t a government mandate,” Ryan continued.

This is a message that Ryan and Republicans need to hammer over and over again. There are legitimate reasons to criticize this bill, but “this many Americans will lose health insurance coverage” is not necessarily one of them. Republicans aren’t ripping anyone’s insurance away; they are returning choice to the American public. Of course you’re going to have fewer people insured if the government isn’t penalizing you for going without!

There are millions of people right now buying health insurance they don’t want or need. It’s no point in Obamacare’s favor if those people decide to drop their coverage once the individual mandate is repealed. In fact, it just goes to show how many people were coerced into getting something they didn’t want.


  • Repeal and Replace is a false narrative. We should never have let left sell anyone on the “you must replace before you repeal” lies.

    Does a Dr. determine what he is replacing cancer with before he removes the cancer?

    Build the wall first.

    Repeal first.

    • Patriot47

      I’m primarily interested in the repeal, AS PROMISED. Enough from the lying RINOs.

      • We have a RINO as POTUS or have you not noticed because you are still under the Trump ether.

        • Trump is no elite.

          Elite Republicans = Elite Democrats = Elite MEDIA = Communists.

          Trump is no communist or an elite. Didn’t you hear his inauguration speech, putting the elites on notice, and tell the people that he was giving the Government back to the people.

          Na… I suppose you didn’t.

        • worn out 123

          Really? Choice is not better than government enforced health insurance? That’s a government mandate with penalty. That’s the AHCA.
          Hate all you want. Means nothing to me. Destroy the Affordable Care Act! Now, that’s a worthy goal.

          • AKLady

            You know, Republicans are really short-sighted and very ignorant when it comes to money.

            The #1 cause of bankruptcy is medical bills.
            That is why America has the world’s most expensive health care.
            .
            America is the only modern, industrialized country that lets people die — simply because they cannot afford to buy health care.

            Once someone becomes disabled, you pay for their food, clothing and shelter. I have news for you — health care would have been a lot less expensive.

          • James Richard Holt

            Four years ago my brother in law and his wife my youngest sister lost their business. She failed to pay for their health care insurance they had through their business and lost their health care coverage. They ran naked that is the term for going without adequate insurance of one type or another. He had been a football player in college but got hurt and then decided the only reason for being in college was to play ball if he couldn’t play ball he’d rather get out in the real world and start making his way earning his own income. All he could do was fast food so thats were he started my sister had all but completed a degree in nursing and quit school then she had all but completed a degree in accounting and again quit. She is a little on the flighty side. She met Keith they got married and he’d become the manager of several pizza stores. They did well so he bought his own franchise and over ten years fell on his face. Out of work he took training to become a truck driver out on the road for about nine months. He had become a very heavy smoker a long time ago sometimes he went through four or five packs a day. So my sister could fit in with his friends she started smoking as well. She is well and truly hooked now. Anyway he was out on the road and started coughing up blood. Lots of blood as it turned out. So he called my sister to come and get him and well he had developed small cell cancer a death sentence at the time live expectancy from diagnosis to death was about six months. The reason for this is its almost never discovered until it is already category 4. There is no tumor as such the cancer cells are widely disbursed so surgery is out to treat with radiation you’d have to use enough radiation to cook the patient and chemotherapy is almost never successful and even if it is you have to get all the cells but they learn how to get rid of the chemo before it kills the cells. Additionally the theory is you are relying on the relatively higher metabolic rate of cancer cells over normal tissue to kill the cancer before you kill the patient. With a widely disbursed cancer you cannot get a therapeutic level that will kill the cancer cells without having to use a very large nearly fatal dose chemotherapy. When chemo does work in a limited way when the chemo stops working the cancer comes back with a vengeance. Keith as I said had no medical insurance and he had a devastating disease that no one survives a rare form at that and they applied for various assistance programs and although they couldn’t even begin to pay any of the bills all the bills were paid and he was entered into several trials. He was 46 when he died nineteen months after diagnosis. His son is a senior in college majoring in Biomechanical Engineering. He has had some scholarship help and some loans and the family has given some limited help and he has also worked so he could have some pocket money. He is now looking at Masters Programs and threatening to go on to a PhD. More power to him. My sister is now 100% disabled she was born with congenital variation in her back and has lived her entire live with a moderate level of pain from her back. Still she was a star basketball player in high school and she could outrun any 99 boys her age. both in sprints and cross country running. Not any more. All four of my siblings and I are diabetic now my son who is 6’6″ and weighs 190 lbs is also diabetic do you think there is a genetic predisposition there? My little sister suffers from depression in addition to her diabetes and her medications are taken care of by SSI and Medicare now. My medical needs are taken care of by the Air Force I was retired because of idiomatic malignant high blood pressure. At 46 I had the first of four heart attacks but medical care was taken care of. My wife had health care insurance until her employer cut her back to part time so they would not have to pay for her insurance. Six weeks after that happened she was diagnosed as having a brain tumor it turned out to a meningioma and they are almost never malignant and unless there is some vascular involvement they are easy to remove with no subsequent problems they still can kill a person I think it was G. H. W. Bush’s Press Secretary who died of a meningioma. We could not pay for her medical bills as we had no healthcare insurance after all those years of paying for health care insurance when she was a full time employee. Just from my family’s travails I don’t believe there are thousands of Americans dying for lack of health care insurance. This November it will have been 19 years since my first heart attack. I suggest there is some combination of programs that can cover anyone and even provide well care to reduce the potential cost of untreated chronic healthcare issues.

          • AKLady

            “I suggest there is some combination of programs that can cover anyone and even provide well care to reduce the potential cost of untreated chronic healthcare issues.”

            You would be wrong. With VA benefits you have never had to go without health care. Your ignorance is not fact.

            Over 50,000 Americans die every year because they cannot afford health care. Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance did a study published in the American Journal of Public Health back in 2009. In 2002 Institute of Medicine (IOM) did a study that concluded that 18,000 died a year due to lack of health insurance.

            You have an Internet connection. I suggest you use it to educate yourself.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • Gary Pakes

            Trump and his billionaire cabinet did win. But, America lost, as we are now seeing unfold in front of our eyes.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            Real America won and we Americans won!!!! You lost you liberal morons and haters lost!!!!!!!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f5ec2a8fb15a75460fe8b21b59cd3f71ba279072441490fb75ad3b342f26f8b.jpg

          • AntiGOP
          • AntiGOP

            Your the HATER

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

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          • AntiGOP

            You have exposed yourselves for YEARS…

            Your not Americans…

            Your ISIS in AMERICA…

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AntiGOP

            You and your kind are the farthest thing from REAL AMERICAN

            Your little punks…with no self worth…

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            Who you calling a little punk little man I lol at you in your Liberal racist thug face and you will do nothing you coward!!!!!! YOU ARE A MORON! POS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b11c29155afad13fae759465eb664e35f2ec01518666286b515951388b31ce97.jpg

          • AntiGOP
          • AntiGOP

            You….you little punk…
            you will do nothing…whatever you say…

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

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          • AntiGOP
          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • Your post makes no sense…why would a liberal hate someone who shares their leftist ideology like Trump.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • No, I am a far right lifetime conservative Republican. IOW’s I am the ideological opposite of you, Obama and Trump.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            You’re a Liberal lifetime Douchebag Liberal Democrackhead moron! Anti America fool!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dc3c8d6320d388e211d127f67db01f5a8c7132e737a4ea34d0809cc3b7f1e46a.jpg

          • Nonsense I am the ideological opposite of Trump and Obama. I have never been a Democrat or a leftist and they have been their whole lives. From your posts attacking conservative Republicans it looks as though you are just like the leftist Democrats Obama and Trump. BTW, since you are so ideologically challenged…Hillary is a Leftist Democrat as well.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • I am ideologically the opposite of Trump and his good friend Obama. I am a far right lifetime Republican and conservative. Your confusion is that we had two far left liberal Democrat running for POTUS. One ran as a Democrat and the other as a Republican which guaranteed that a leftist Democrat would be elected as POTUS. Now, you may be a political neophyte but this has to be the greatest ruse in the political history of America.To Trump, “making America great again” is to turn America sharply and suddenly to the left. He is counting on people like you who are ignorant ideologically and are smitten by celebrity envy. Trump is arguably the furthest left of any POTUS in history by a very wide margin.

          • No, I am the exact opposite and a far right lifetime conservative Republican. I have never supported a Democrat like Trump or Hillary.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • Liberty’s Advocate

            There are none so blind as she (sic) who will not see. I’ve tried following your posts silently but you are one ignorant, intentionally misinformed POS. Your Socialist mindset is built on greed – wanting something for nothing – and your Liberalism demands that whatever you decide is not for you should be denied to everyone else as well. You are anti-freedom, anti-personal responsibility and anti-self determination.

            Medical bankruptcies? That’s Life! Some get lemons, some get lemonade. I personally KNOW those who’ve had huge medical bills. My WIFE has had one from a 5 day planned hospitalization that turned into 75 days, learning how to breathe again, learning how to walk again and resulting in other significant maladies which are now the source of constant pain she must live with daily. Her bill was $1.3 Million. We HAD insurance to cover most of it. I can’t feel sorry for those who don’t plan ahead, nor should I pay for their mistaken choices – lifestyle OR financial.

            The reason this country has “the world’s most expensive health care” is because we have the WORLD’S BEST HEALTH CARE. We have the most innovative, the highest motivated, the most dedicated, the best educated and well-compensated professionals providing it, We have the best funded, most successful research facilities developing new, innovative treatments all the time … in THIS country.

            “America is the only modern, industrialized country that lets people die — simply because they cannot afford to buy health care.” Horse hockey! Dozens of hospitals have gone or are going bankrupt providing FREE medical care (that translates to time DONATED by Doctors and nurses, and/or paid for by the Hospital out of their bottom line – EVEN for ILLEGAL ALIENS whom people like you claim aren’t receiving care. NO ONE IN NEED is NOT receiving healthcare treatment in this country, unless THEY CHOOSE NOT TO ASK FOR IT.

            You establish some straw man, bogeyman argument to inflict guilt on the general population so that your REAL Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, Fascist. Communist (pick any description – they are ALL just stages in development of the same noxious plant), short-sighted, historically ignorant, agenda-driven solutions can be implemented – EVERYONE of them resulting in more intrusive and larger government, less autonomy, less acceptance of financial and personal responsibility and less freedom for the individual.

            What is truly going bankrupt is the mental capacity and mental health of Liberals like you who have NO NEW IDEAS to put forth that PROMOTE personal responsibility. Why? Because that would make people THINK and eventually they would come to the realization that their FREEDOM TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS – NOT GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF EVERY ASPECT OF THEIR LIVES – is the Natural state of Man and exercising a little creative thinking can ensure their Liberty to do so.

            You, madam, are a FREAKIN’ IDIOT!!!

          • AKLady

            America is the only modern, industrialized country that lets people die — simply because they cannot afford to buy health care. Donated care for what … diabetes, hypertension, fatty liver, coronary artery disease, colon cancer. skin cancer, hepatitis, cervical cancer ??? All silent killers. By the time they drive a person to an emergency room, serious — if not fatal — damage has been done.

            Once someone becomes disabled, you pay for their food, clothing and shelter. I have news for you — health care would have been a lot less expensive.

            Apparently, Jesus was a Communist. The Apostles as well. Many of those considered saints also fit that description. Wow, and right wingers claim America is a Christian country …ha. ha. ha. ha …

            Communist? Socialist? You mean like these countries: India. Israel, Macau, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Austria, Enmark, Finland,, France, Germany, Greece, Guernsey, Jersey, Iceland, Isle of Man, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Peru, Columbia, Australia, New Zealand.

            Yes, people have the freedom to be poor and unable to afford medical care, let alone health insurance. Yes, they have the freedom to die.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Enough of your moronic, myopic view of reality. You haven’t got enough answers for ONE topic so you decide to confuse the issue by opening 20 other cans of worms, eh? Including religion? If you had read and understood the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5 and succeeding chapters), had read and understood the Declaration of Independence as well as the philosophical/theological sources leading to the text (which was written to be understood by anyone with a 3rd grade education of the time), read and understood our Constitution as well as the Mayflower Compact, the Northwest Ordinance, the Articles of Confederation and other founding documents – right now you would be choking on those contemptuous lies you just wrote. But, I understand ignorance is bliss.

            The same people who blessed you with the government-run educational system responsible for your deficient education, control the majority of your media news sources. You remember … the same one’s that got the campaign progress of your favorite candidate and the prognostication of the election results ENTIRELY WRONG last year? Believe what you will. Your path leads to slavery.

          • AKLady

            You have just published your ignorance for the world to see. You are also an embarrassment to America and everything it stands for.

            CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. U.S. Constitution, 1st Amendment.

            Oh, and by the way, one if my ancestors signed the Declaration of Independence.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Fine. Let’s talk about whom it is that is ignorant. I will gladly demonstrate to the “world” how your ignorance of the facts is only exceeded by your lack of understanding.

            Your correct quote above, from amendment 1, U.S. Constitution, reads (adjusted for the improper emphasis YOU applied), “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …”. Judging by the caps you applied, this is the appropriately quoted portion of that amendment, applicable to our discussion. Correct?

            Knowledge is gained by doing more than just reading and quoting words. The founders were masters of the correct usage of words and punctuation, and were especially careful when using them to design a system of government to be willed to their posterity, the purpose of which is to secure their Rights.

            Congress SHALL (a legal term imposing an obligation on the entity to which the law applies, as opposed to ‘may’ which allows for discretionary application of the law) make no law (no legislation or restrictions may be imposed) respecting (“with respect to” the object) an establishment (a noun, used to denote a previously existing or established organization – the object – (clearly used here in reference to the Church of England which is imposed by government as the State favored or established religion of the Mother Country but not limited exclusively to that religious reference) as opposed to THE establishment – used as an adverb – which denotes taking an action) of religion ( of or characterized by faith in dogma or doctrine of a Divine nature, usually involving the worship of a Supreme Being or entity), or prohibiting (or forbidding, denying) the free exercise thereof (the choice whether or whether NOT to worship or engage in other pursuits of a religious nature).

            NO WHERE in the Constitution, especially in the 1st amendment, will you find any reference to the separation of church and state to which you are alluding. That reference was to a phrase used in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists Association, Danbury, Connecticut, written in 1802 long after ratification of the Constitution.

            Further, the principles of freedom and liberty are inseparable from the acceptance of personal responsibility for one’s actions, and the concept of Rights is inseparable from that responsibility as well. No one can claim as a Right any state of being or action which, when exercised, interferes with or infringes upon any existing Rights of any other person. Does that remind you of something from the Sermon on the Mount? The Golden Rule? “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”?

            The first two paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence also are the beginning iterations of the Natural Law argument, that our Natural Rights are gifts given to each individual member of the Family of Man by the Creator at the moment of their individual creation. They are not conferred by government. Governments are established to SECURE those Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness … as well as others reserved to the people (9th and 10th amendments).

            The principles “declared” in the Declaration – for which 50,000 American patriots fought, suffered, starved, were imprisoned and/or died or lost their fortunes and property – are the same principles upon which our Constitution was designed and our government was built. Do you need to – are you forced to – accept Christ or religious doctrine of any kind to avail yourself of your Liberties? NO!! But you ARE required to be tolerant of those who do because, in so doing, the Rights and Liberties of EVERYONE are secured from government usurpation or elimination. If your are NOT tolerant of those who hold those beliefs but instead work to deny their protection, YOUR Rights are compromised as well.

            How is this so? Once a government, through the establishment of its Constitution, acknowledges the principle of the existence of a higher power as the source of the Rights of the people (as ours did in 1776 and 1791), it can never later say (deny) that those Rights DO NOT EXIST. Ours is the ONLY nation of ALL the nations of the world EVER to have acknowledged that fact at anytime. Read the LAST paragraphs of both the Declaration AND the Constitution.

            The doubt that this nation was founded on Christian principles exists ONLY in the mind of fools, intentionally uninformed (ignorant) or ethically challenged individuals who have an agenda opposed to freedom. Which one are you?

          • AKLady

            The belief that this nation was founded on Christian principles exists ONLY in the mind of fools, intentionally uninformed (ignorant) or ethically challenged individuals who have an agenda opposed to freedom. Which one are you?

            “Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.”
            ~Founding Father James Madison

            “Every new and successful example of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance.”
            ~Founding Father James Madison, letter, 1822

            “The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
            ~Founding Father James Madison, 1819

            “The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. … But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding….” Thomas Jefferson in an April 11, 1823, letter to John Adams

            “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.” Treaty if Tripoli, Article 11.

            “[I]n what sense can [America] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or that the people are in any manner compelled to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within our borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all. Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions. Nevertheless, we constantly speak of this republic as a Christian nation – in fact, as the leading Christian nation of the world.” Supreme Court Justice David Brewer (1837-1910)

            “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
            ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

            “Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.”
            ~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Apparently you think its necessary to misquote me so that your posts make more sense.

          • AKLady

            Our Founding Fathers made their point very cleatly.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            … and YOU have made mine. Hell, you can’t even SPELL “clearly”.

          • AKLady

            Thank you for bringing the typo to my attention.
            I freely admit to being a bad typist.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Additionally, I hope you can see that denial of Christian principles being a part of our founding – considering they are linked hand-in-glove with freedom philosophically – is to deny the efficacy, the soul of freedom itself. Or do you also have a problem with comparing the efficacy of freedom with the soul?

          • AKLady

            Which Christian principals might those be?

            Are you living a life of poverty? Christ clearly said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.

            Are you executing your children when they misbehave? Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9, and Deuteronomy 21:18-21

            Have you cut off your hands and gouged out your eyes? Matthew 5:29-30, Matthew, 18:9, Mark 9:43, and Mark 9:47

            Do you eat bacon? Leviticus 11:7

            Do you own any slaves? Colossians 3:22, Ephesians 6:5, and 1 Peter 2:18

            Do you wear clothes of mixed material? Deuteronomy 22:11

            Have you ever prayed in public? Matthew 6:5

            Do you hate your family? Luke 14:26

            Have you been baptized for the dead? 1 Corinthians 15:29

            Do you give anything to anyone who asks? Luke 6:30

            When’s the last time you participated in ethnic cleansing? 1 Samuel 15:3

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Boy! Can’t get a peep out of you when it comes to the true meaning of the 1st amendment, but give you an opening to be anti-Christian and you’re right there like an over-weight woman on a Twinkie. Q: Is this just Christianity you abhor or do you hate any form of Divinity worship?

            First, it’s “principle”, not “principal”. Code of conduct, not cache of cash or school administrator.

            Second, you’ve mixed a lot of Old and New Testament references here which is like mixing metaphors, and makes as much sense in THIS discussion. Nevertheless, my answers are, “No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No and NO!”

            Bringing this discussion back to center, “Where in any of our founding documents do you find the Christian OR secular examples of YOUR proposed ‘principals’ represented, either in application of concept, amendment to the original text or reference by any of the founders?” You don’t because they aren’t, and you really wouldn’t expect to, would you? So, aside from wanting to pick a fight in a snarky way by attacking a religion as being inadequate to support my premise, aren’t you the least bit curious as to how such religious influences might be found as foundational aspects of our government? If you’re here just to ‘shit on the board’, I’ve got better things to do than converse with someone who assumes they know it all already. But, if you’re here to learn as WELL as to inform …

          • AKLady

            Exactly what do you see as thw true meaning of the following words?
            CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Do you have a problem reading for content? I spent the better part of one response covering that in incredible detail four posts back and have referred to it at least twice since that post in subsequent postings. Awwww, is this a test? Is this your not-so-subtle way of answering my question from the last post?

            Since you brought it up … AGAIN … referring to the famous “wall of separation” between any aspect of government and religion, how do YOU reconcile the IRS granting tax exempt status to churches under 501(c)(3) for non-profits with that “clear” embargo, and what about congress back in the early 50’s passing the Johnson amendment attached to a spending bill that forbids the discussion of politics from the pulpit? That was Lyndon Baines Johnson as a Congressman, by the way. I believe the first five words of the 1st amendment are, “Congress shall make no law …”!!?!!!

          • AKLady

            Again, you bend the law to fit your propaganda. The restriction isn’t exclusive to religious institutions.

            LYNDON JOHNSON SIGNED LEGISLATION LIMITING POLITICAL ACTIVITY OF NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS
            The law says all such organizations “are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office.” That includes contributions to political campaigns and any form of public statement for or against a candidate or group of candidates.
            Maybe you should attempt to be a bit more truthful?

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Truthful? The truth is not MY problem. YOU are attempting to spit hairs. The TRUTH is churches DO fall under the Johnson Amendment because of the 501(c)(3) tax status, which IS THE POINT. It shows duplicity, both in the application of the law vs the 1st amendment protection AGAINST such legislative action … AND in your selective anger against this clear 1st amendment violation of YOUR interpretation of it.

            This also raises an interesting point about the Rev, Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton – a couple shake-down artists who constantly preach politics while the Liberal bias of media and government turns a deaf ear.

          • AKLady

            No, sir, you are splitting hairs.
            Churches are non-profit organizations, period.
            The law applies to all non-profit organizations.
            What you do not seem to understand is that churches are, in fact businesses.
            Churches must obtain business licenses

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            It appears that it is you who is missing the point, sis, and I may be confused as to which law it is you are referring – the Johnson amendment or the tax code or both? Regardless, it is true – all non-profits are covered under the tax code and the Johnson amendment. But since this is about religious organizations covered under the 1st amendment protection stating “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …”, either an exemption should have been written into the law benefiting churches or IRS tax law (authorized by Congress) should not be permitted to apply to churches. That, madam, is Not splitting hairs. It is an objective assessment of the 1st amendment protection. The significance of the business license ends with the non-profit status of the church. Regulation of church activities ends with “Congress shall make no law … prohibiting the FREE EXERCISE thereof …”.

          • AKLady

            No,. it appears you are ignorant of fact and law.
            All non-profit organizations are licensed as businesses.

            Churches are licensed as businesses.
            Churches are non-profit business organizations.

            Yes, churches must apply for and obtain a business license.

            Under the law, they are no different than any other business.
            All non-profit “businesses” are treated similarly under the tax code.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Man! I can’t make my point any more clearly. YOU need to work harder on your understanding and Critical Thinking. I KNOW what law exists. I question its veracity and the reasons are stated above. Think outside the box.

          • AKLady

            You need to work header on understanding.

            1. A church is legally a business.
            2. A church is required to have a business license.
            3. All non-profit businesses are covered under the same tax codes.

            Just what “box” am I supposed to think out of?
            Special legislation limited to religious organizations would violate the Constitution.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            One more time. I’ll just copy and paste my earlier reply with a minor clarification, since that activity suits you so well: ” Regardless, it is true – all non-profits are covered under the tax code and the Johnson amendment. But since this is about religious organizations covered under the 1st amendment protection stating “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …”, either an exemption should have been written into the law benefiting churches or IRS tax law (authorized by Congress) should not be permitted to apply to churches. That, madam, is Not splitting hairs. It is an objective assessment of the 1st amendment protection. The significance of the business license should end with the non-profit status of the church. Regulation of church activities should end with “Congress shall make no law … prohibiting the FREE EXERCISE thereof …”.

          • AKLady

            Is a church a business? Yes or no?
            Exactly what religion does the law establish?

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Let’s call this, “Answering AKLAdy’s Seven Snarky Questions”, OK? Since this is not a court of law, and since I don’t need to be led down the primrose path by my nose to some too-visible conclusions, and since stating, re-stating and re-re-stating the same questions is a good indicator that the person ASKING the questions assumes a superior attitude as well as incompetence on the part of the person asked – neither of which is a fact in evidence, and since answers to most of the questions are either obvious or have already been stated in the record, and since the intellectual capabilities of the questioner are as much called into question by the questions asked as are those of the person being questioned, and since it must be assumed that some of the questions are sincere requests for information not in possession of the questioner, and since focusing my attention on answering certain questions the answers to which add clarity to the direction a stream of logic is headed, and since logic is apparently not part of the questioner’s mental makeup, and since further delays will result in MORE edits by the questioner which further complicate the issue and add only to the insulting nature of the questions, I will carefully answer those questions I deem appropriate to the conversation and which both fairness and my awareness dictate will improve communication, even though such answers are tendered at great personal risk to my psyche and ego.

            “Exactly what religion does the law establish?”
            A: Neither law establishes any religion. Establish-ING of religion is NOT the meaning of the establishment clause in the first place. The mere asking of this question demonstrates a lack of comprehension of the issue on the part of the questioner.

            “Exactly how does the law prohibit the “free exercise” of any religion?”
            A: Neither the Johnson Amendment nor the IRS law can be considered individually and exclusive of the other since they act in concert to the detriment of a free and open exercise of religion. The Johnson Amendment, by limiting free speech from the pulpit regarding the subject of politics – the parallels of which to times past add clarity to the application of both doctrine and free thought – is a violation of both the freedom of speech portion of the 1st amendment as well as the free exercise of religion clause.

            The IRS law raises a jurisdictional question: Whether the IRS should have the power over churches to “grant or NOT grant” them a tax exempt status, which is a SPECIAL status affecting “an establishment of religion”. A specific exemption saying the law does NOT apply to churches or religious organizations should be included.

            Politics enter into and affect every aspect of our daily lives, and laws and policies that infringe on religious aspects of our daily lives are forbidden by the 1st amendment. The church pulpit was the community center from which political ideas WERE discussed in colonial times and early in our history as a nation. Such common place practices of free speech were altered BY the IRS AND the Johnson Amendment.

            “Just how does the law regulate church activities?”
            A: Each church is affected individually, but the selective application of federal law with respect to the Civil Rights charlatans I’ve mentioned previously also violates the equal protection clause and is discriminatory on its face. The rest of the answer was stated immediately above.

            “Just what “box” am I supposed to think out of?”
            A: Ending a sentence with a preposition is poor grammar, but I would suggest the box referred to is the one in which your brain is found. Think outside your self-imposed limits to find the answers.

            I am off to work.

          • AKLady

            Word salad.
            I suggest you obtain the assistance of a mental health professional.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Considering your humorless, non-sensical bloviating responses, I thought a little levity included with a substantive response to your challenge was both warranted and timely. Apparently you are too intellectually lazy to appreciate it.

          • AKLady

            The problem is that you do not think.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            On the contrary, we Conservatives DO think. We employ common sense, critical thinking and a clear understanding of the Nature of Man when designing solutions to social problems. it’s Liberals like YOU who are ruled by their emotions and artificiality. Witness the Political Correctness system of garbage you Liberals have attempted to force on society.

            Until you understand and accept facts like these you will be unable to understand the depth of frustration and anger of the majority of people in this country who CAN think, and who finally said enough is enough nonsense.

            The direction America was heading was deeply wrong and obviously NOT in our long term interests, nor in the interests of our progeny who WILL be handed the reins of freedom. My forefathers didn’t fight the Civil War and two world wars to make the world safe for Socialism.

          • AKLady

            It is also markedly evident that you have a major reading comprehension problem.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            More Leftist bullshit tactics. No ability or content for forming a substantive response, so attack the character of competence of your opponent. No proof needed, just the “seriousness of the charge”. If you weren’t so predictably pathetic you might actually influence a weak minded, unprincipled and uninformed dolt perusing this topic for some light reading.

          • AKLady

            Your reputation is not one of competence.
            Your character is not one of honesty.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            What in Heaven’s name could you possibly know about ME? You are a lying, bitter, manipulative bitch – and those are just your OBVIOUS qualities. But you ARE A LIBERAL – through and through – your continuing use of lies and character assassination are the proof of the pudding.

            People who know ME will disagree with you vehemently, both from leadership, integrity, intelligence and competence stand points as well as dedication to principle. If you knew half as much as your lies indicate, you’d spell it out. Go ahead, make my day …

          • AKLady

            Your posts provide all the evidence needed.
            Your current one is all the evidence needed to support my statement.
            It also provides significant evidence of your language incompetence.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Keep it up. ‘Your posts provide all the evidence needed.’ I sincerely doubt if anyone is interested enough in the shallow, incoherent and inconsistent ramblings of your posts but it would be interesting to see what others consider evidence of fact. Personally, I’ve had enough of your baseless, mindless crap and evidently you have had enough of my challenges. All you had to do was cut it off but instead, like a true coward, you took the assassin’s approach to reconciling differences.

          • AKLady

            You are an advocate for hate and bigotry.
            You have no concept to the meaning of liberty, you simply abuse it.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            I as an individual, and Conservatives as a class of intelligent, free thinking men and women, far out shadow Liberals for balance and fairness. The standard approach through their Political Correctness of Liberals is to form an opinion, or standard of acceptance, and then demand that EVERYONE adhere to their beliefs under penalty of being ostracized, discredited or worse – kind of like you attempted to do to ME on these posts.

            As far as understanding the concept of Liberty is concerned? Anyone who advocates for the supplanting of Individual Rights by Group Rights, and Socialism for Free Enterprise, and the destruction of the concept of accepting personal responsibility and accountability for one’s actions which is the soul of Freedom, and advocates philosophies being inculcated in our youth like Moral Relativism, Secular Humanism and Values Clarification – ALL OF WHICH ARE LIBERAL PHILOSOPHIES and all of the above of which are supported by you Liberals – has no standing to even discuss the value of Liberty let alone charge someone else with not understanding its meaning.

            Your charges are nothing but a clanging cymbal, “a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing.” – Macbeth

          • AKLady

            You have been well-brainwashed.

            You are the one demanding demand that EVERYONE adhere to their beliefs under penalty of being ostracized, discredited or worse – kind of like you attempted to do to ME on these posts.
            Those with eyes who cannot see.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Any independent analysis of our exchanges will verify it is YOU that is crazier than a pet ‘coon, lady! You lack objectivity, cannot even muster enough mental energy to summon your own words and refuse to engage in an exchange of ideas. So why the hell are you continuing to pester me?

          • AKLady

            “Physician, heal thyself”

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Out! Out, Damned spot!!

          • AntiGOP

            Just what “box” am I supposed to think out of?

            The BOX he’s in…

          • AntiGOP

            AKLady…spot on…

            Well I meant sis LOL

          • AKLady

            Your no, no, no answers speak truth very loudly.
            You do not know jack when it comes to Christian principles.
            You also don’t know the first think about the above Bible citations
            .
            You also do not know very much about Jesus and seemingly less about Christianity.

            “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.” Matthew 5:17.

            Oh, and foolish one, American Common Law is based on British Common Law, which is based on Roman Law. Neither American or British Common Law has anything to do with Jesus or Christianity. All U.S. states except Louisiana have enacted “reception statutes” which generally state that the common law of England

            I’m not in the least bit curious as to how YOU BELIEVE religious influences might be found as foundational aspects of our government.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Your questions about Biblical references were given all the attention they deserved, being as specious, nonsensical, off-point and negative as they were. If you want serious answers to questions, ask serious questions and show some interest. Your Matthew 5:17 quote from the Sermon on the Mount comes as close to a lead-in to a serious discussion as you have come so far.

            And British Common Law had as its origins the Magna Carta under King John , so what is your point? Are you ignoring the fact that ALL WESTERN LAW has as its root the 10 Commandments, and the Judeo-Christian ethic?

            O, yes, you ARE curious. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be scrambling in research on the Net and applying pretenses of having vast knowledge about the law. If copy and paste is all you are capable of, point, set, match! You want to know why Socialism won’t work? Read Frederick Bastiat, “The Law”.

          • AKLady

            You seem to ignore the fact that the British Isles were ruled by Rome.
            Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 55 and 54 BC as part of his Gallic Wars

            Christianity did not become an integral part of the Roman Empire until 313 AD, under the Emperor Constantine. The English Church dates to 156 AD Rome’s thirty-third Emperor Diocletian unleashed the Great Persecution of Christians in 303 AD.

            You think you know about western law, but you don’t know jack. Your history education is extremely lacking,. OI suggest you read Order, Law, and Crime by Raymond Michalowski and The Politics of Jurisprudence by Roger Cotterrell.

            Factually, the early development of English Common law took place under William the First.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            I am ignoring nothing. YOU, on the other hand, have made no reference to the Christian link WITHIN the Common Law, which the existence of Ecclesiastical Courts confirms. I repeat, ALL Western Law has at its root the Ten Commandments.

            Moses is frequently referred to as the Great Law Giver. His image is even carved in relief on the stone facade above the columns on the Supreme Court building in Washington , DC – flanked by other notable philosophers of the ages such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Solon, Confucius, etc.

            The Ten Commandments adorn the doors – BOTH doors – leading into the Supreme Court chamber as well as the wall behind where the Justices are seated. The influence of the 10 Commandments appears to be recognized by everyone except YOU – curiously even our Supreme Court. I DO know Jack … your intellectual standing and honesty, however, are in question.

          • AKLady

            Moses is Old Testament, he was very Jewish.

            The Ten Commandments are JEWISH LAW, not Christian in origin.
            You have a very deficient history education.
            Your religious education is just as lacking.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Wow!! You know that Bible reference from earlier – Matthew 5:17? Since God is consistent, never changing from Old Testament to New, and Christ often refers to keeping the commandments – I see no conflict. Ours is a Judeo/Christian heritage, unabashedly so. Your twisted logic, selective fact finding and interpretation, and your attempts to baffle with bullshit are an embarrassment to YOU – not to me. Not in your time zone … I’m out.

          • AKLady

            THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE JEWISH LAW.
            THERE IS NOTHING CHRISTIAN, WHATSOEVER, IN THEIR ORIGIN.
            .
            Fact is fact There is no logic involved.
            Oh, and Protestants and Catholics have different versions of them.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Are you having fun arguing with yourself ?? – Because you’re certainly not addressing anything I’VE said. No one in THIS conversation ever claimed the 10 Commandments had a Christian origin. You’re tilting at windmills by raising “straw man” arguments like that one.

            It’s hilarious when you examine the last sentence above, where you show they are a part of Christianity.

            That is a typical Liberal tactic which the media shows us every day with their distortions of fact, putting words in people’s mouths, character assassination, distractions from real issues, using a constant drumbeat of lies and false accusations as a narrative until the non-story takes on a life of its own. “A lie repeated often enough becomes fact”. That’s indoctrination copying the example set by Joseph Goebbels.

            Liberalism cannot win under close scrutiny – when exposed to the light of truth like the blood-sucking vampires that follow its agenda. Liberalism or Progressivism (modern iterations of which more closely resemble Socialism, Fascism and Communism) is becoming much LIKE a vampire which is imaginary in its existence, kills individual initiative and self-sufficiency thus draining the life-blood of freedom and is dedicated to the destruction of the individual and our basic Human Rights of existence.

          • AntiGOP

            government enforced health insurance

            PURE BULLSHIT

            IT WAS NEVER

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AntiGOP
          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            You ever feel stupid lol…..loser…..how does it feel to lose like a liberal
            coward…loser!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f61c28f4090c70a5b4b5314b18c2383c066bccb929e48fc3fe2cf1c0b281275c.jpg

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          • Indeed but I am sure tht his close friend and fellow leftist Democrat ideologue will surpass even Obama’s failures. Why do we keep putting in leftists as POTUS. The dumbing down of America by the left is surely complete.

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        • James Richard Holt

          You know occasionally even RINOs come up with a correct answer. Trump is neither a conservative nor a liberal he is a pragmatist and so if a cause if impossible to achieve he will say so. If a cause can be won but cost of that victory makes it a pyrrhic victory he will say so. If a cause for which he campaigned turns out to have not been such a good cause he has no difficulty making a mid course correction even if he won’t admit he was not quite right in the first place. It is possible that you and all those who support repeal and replace or those who supported that in the past which includes me may need to see if we can achieve the desired result by some other means such as a major make over of the un-affordable health care act. Whatever the case I think I have figured out why the Democrats succeed so often over us Republicans. We expend so much of our efforts and energies throwing darts and grenades at each other where as even if the Dems fight amongst themselves they vote in a near monolithic block. They get their stuff together and they hang together we on the other hand had eight years to come up with a replacement plan but we spent so much effort shooting at each other we ended up with President Trump as the last man standing. He wasn’t my first second or third choice but Hillary didn’t even make that list as far as I am concerned so I voted for him and he is what we got and no we either fish or cut bait. We republicans were told we need the House of Representatives so we got them. We were told we need the Senate so we got them too then we were told we needed the White House sooooo we got that too now for God Sake lets get our Stuff (you can use another noun in place of stuff if you are so inclined it starts with s and ends in t in case you have not figured it out) together and get the best legislation we can voted on and if passed on the books. We don’t need to push for perfect legislation because if we do that we will fritter away a golden opportunity to make this Nation Great Again . . . is there an echo in here?

          • Well Trump’s history belies your opinion that Trump is not a politician. He has been a far left liberal Democrat kingmaker and ideologue his entire life until he ran for POTUS. This leftist Trump who ran to the left of Hillary in this election is a step in the wrong direction. America did not need to go further and more firmly to the left with Trump but instead to the political right. We missed our chance in nominating a far left liberal ideologue and a Vietnam draft dodger to POTUS. This presidency cannot have a good result. Conservative like myself must learn to hunker down against the persecution tht has already started against us conservatives.

          • Bill Meyers

            There is nothing left of Hillary, except maybe Obama.

          • Well her best family friend is now POTUS and I am sure he calls on the Clinton’s regularly for advice which he can take if his puppeteer George Soros approves.

          • AKLady

            Trump has never been a liberal.
            Trump and his daddy have been repeatedly sued by the DOJ for racial discrimination

          • john

            That’s cause we hate 3rd world retards – you included!

          • AKLady

            Why do you insult people you know nothing about?
            Is it because the Internet protects you from repercussion?

          • john

            I’d say it to your face!

          • AKLady

            Come on up here to Alaska.
            I’ll be happy to teach the immature man-child some manners.
            Name calling is something most give up by second or third grade,

          • john

            I’d beat the shit out of you low life communist bastard – now fuck off!

          • AKLady

            You would not have that opportunity. I’d sing at your funeral.

          • AKLady

            So childish.

          • Communicating threats is a felony. Threatening to assault a woman is cowardly.

          • john

            Ak Whore is a troll and has been for a long time. I don’t think it is a lady. She had to have the last word and it was my attempt to get her off my back.

          • Next time, try not to commit a felony. Controlling one’s emotion is the sign of an adult. Please learn to act civilly or find another hobby. Educate yourself and win by intellect and knowledge instead of emotion which will always defeat you.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
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          • What? Do you really think that leftists cannot be racist? Liberals are the most racist of all. Trump has been a far left liberal Democrat ideologue his whole life and shares no conservative ideology with Republicans. Being historically ignorant of Trump is very dangerous to our country and especially conservatism. Trump is in the process of turning America sharply and suddenly to the left. Conservatives like myself are already being vilified and Trump will not be happy until conservatives are persecuted.

          • AKLady

            Exactly what about Trump makes you think he is a liberal.
            Could it be the millions he took from the government for building federal and state housing? Could it be the DOJ;s over 200 suits against him for racial discrimination? …

          • First of all I am a professor of Early Church History in a Jesuit Seminary. I am driven to do research before coming to conclusions. When he announced his run for the Presidency he was largely unknown to me as a lifetime Republican so, I took time to research his history. In doing so, I found that he would be a very good candidate for the Democrat party which he had a lifetime of being a part. He also was to the left of most Democrats in ideology and personal practice. Even morally he appeared to be your typical far left liberal Democrat which means tht morality was not very important to him. For him to be suddenly switching to the Republican Party and registering to run as a Republican for POTUS seemed quite suspect. I was not at all impressed at his performance of being a caricature for a conservative Republican that only a leftist Democrat could create. It turns out tht I was right and his candidacy was only a ruse to ensure tht a leftist would be elected.

          • AKLady

            You have been taken in by the far-right propaganda machine.
            You confuse keeping one’s actions private with morality.
            History simply does not support your claims.
            Trump is extremely right-wing, he uses people to enrich himself.
            He also intentionally makes $millions from using the poor.
            .
            Trumps has zero government experience.
            The Presidency only interested him in regard to the “ego boost” and the profit it would provide him.

          • How did you come to the conclusion that Trump is “extremely” right wing? He has no history of ever supporting the right but instead has a history of being a far left liberal Democrat ideologue before running for POTUS as a Republican. His history proclaims my claims and does not in any way detract from them. On what basis do you claim Trump to be from the political right? There is no history supporting such a scurrilous claim. I agree that his motivation was profit but also he had the motivation to promote ha leftist America which is something his candidate Obama failed to do in his eight years as POTUS. He probably has a bet with his friends the Obama’s, Clinton’s and Soros’ that he is the one that can turn the country sharply to the left. So far he is accomplishing his goal.

          • AKLady

            Trump is third generation KKK, his denials are meaningless spew.
            His last two wives are Communist born, raised and educated.
            Those wives fit very well with his published admiration for Putin.

          • Indeed, what you claim is supported with research.

          • Historically and ideologically Trump is a far left lifetime liberal Democrat.

          • AKLady

            The Trump empire built the majority of government housing on the East Coast.
            He has been sued over 200 times by the DOJ for racial discrimination.
            Begin your education with United States v. Trump, NY, 1973.

          • Mathew Molk

            Finely somebody with a brain. Right on Jimmy.

            lets take whatever we can and live to fight another day. The NWO Marxists did put us on te run with a single bill in congress, lets take them apart a little at a time. There are FAR more important matters then rubbing out Obamacare, which is going to die on it’s own anyway.

            Let’s get hot on the wall and make the so called “sanctuaries” obey the law, Then we have to start getting the moslems out of the country before they either kill us or run US out.

            Screw Obamacare.

            maga!

          • AKLady

            People die.
            You let them die.
            You help to kill them.

          • Bill Meyers

            How is it anyone helps kill them? They have s right to purchase insurance, just like everyone else, I think the government has no right to force anyone to buy anything. Any healthcare plan should be limited to making healthcare affordable, and cover those with a preexisting confition. Nothing more, nothing less.

          • mrpoohead

            America has the worst healthcare (before and after Obamacare) in the modern world (W Europe, Canada, NZ and Australia). World Health Organisation report.

          • AKLady

            Yes, BEFORE and AFTER.

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          • AKLady

            You also have the right to buy food.
            You also have the right to breathe.
            You also have the right to be so poor that home is a cardboard box.
            .
            Oh, and before the ACA, many people with pre-existing conditions were DENIED coverage

            Ohm and by the way, a normal pregnancy and delivery was a “pre-existing condition” for which insurers increased the cost of insurance.

          • mrpoohead

            PS W Europe et al all have state healthcare systems – all outrank ours. WHO!

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          • AKLady

            Trump is a real estate salesman — nothing more, nothing less.
            He is also a legally documented racist.’

          • James Richard Holt

            Ok I’ll bite what is, “a legally documented racist?” As for real estate salesman? He is a builder a motivator he has vast experience negotiating and usually successfully for what he wants. By the way what’s wrong with real estate sales people anyway? Not that I am one but I do have some friends who are in real estate sales. I am a chemist former teacher and retired Air Force. Trump is a pragmatist as I said above he will set his goals and then do what he needs to do take the stances he needs to take and fight for whatever it is he needs to accomplish his goals. He believes very much in management by objective and that means if a objective is a must he will achieve it by what ever means necessary if its not a must but he wants it he will expend what ever capital it may take to achieve the goal up to a point. If it becomes too expensive he will drop it like a hot potato and move on the next objective. What is a legally documented racist?

          • Bill Meyers

            Agree James, these people throw terms around with little if any thought. Just a nice buzzword they heard someone use. As a retired veteran (USAF 67-88), I sometimes wonder if it was worth if to give freedom of speech to people who don’t know what they are saying.

          • AKLady

            I wonder how someone as poorly informed as you are was ever allowed in the USAF. The Army or the Marines would be understandable, but the USAF is not looking for cannon fodder.

          • Bill Meyers

            There is a great difference between what you call poorly educated and stupid. You can’t fix stupid and you are living proof. I resent you insinuation that our braves soldiers and marines are cannon fodder, without these people that you look down on are the only reason you are free to prove how fucking stupid you are, by running your mouth.

          • AKLady

            Instead of insulting people, maybe you should look at the historic requirements for the Army an the Marines. The Navy and the Air Force were a bit more selective.

            I’ve never heard of any young criminal sentenced to serve in either, have you? On the other hand, many were sentenced to serve in the Army.

            Your foul language is very ignorant and childish.

            Oh, and stupid one, Uncle Sam put me through medical school. That debt was paid with six years of my life, including two combat hospital tours in Vietnam.
            I sewed a lot of young men back together, hopefully you were not one of them. I’d hate to be responsible for saving your life.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • Thank you for your service.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • Hey,I am a Marine and Vietnam Veteran of Khe Sahn in “67-“68. Trump was a draft dodger. I am glad I am no longer on active duty and calling the POTUS Commander and Chief. That must be a tremendous burden for current active duty to have to do that to a draft dodger.

          • AKLady

            Amen!

          • WhiteFalcon

            Draft dodger, you mean like Bill Clinton?

          • Indeed, but Bill was fortunately given a very high draft number which meant that it would be very unlikely for him to be drafted. The numbers were given out by lottery based on one’s birth date. My draft number was 20 out of 365 which made it almost certain that I would be drafted. I joined the Marine Corps as a result. What Donald Trump did was to shop for a doctor that would give him a deferment for the right price. Trump was the only athlete I ever knew that got a deferment for a bone spur. Perhaps this joint history is what made Bill and the Donald such close friends through the years as they shared the same leftist ideology. There are many more similarities between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump like having a preference for underage girls and traveling together to Jeffrey Epstein’s pedophile island. Trump got sued by two girls for rape from the island but so far Bill has not had that experience and had to pay anyone off as has the Donald.

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          • WhiteFalcon

            As I remember, Bill Clinton was in fact drafted but he refused to show up. I think he was protected by Arkansas Senator Fulbright and possibly by Arkansas Governor Faubis because he was even then getting involved in liberal politics. He was awarded a Fulbright scholarship even though there was nothing academically outstanding about him other then his relationships with Senator Fulbright. Nonetheless, he refused to show up when he was drafted and he got away with it. He should have spent several years in Ft. Leavenworth.

          • Indeed! From their actions one would have thought that Trump and Bill were friends even back then but they were not. Certainly they were on the same page when it came to serving their country. Both refused.

          • Yes indeed, most leftists at the time were draft dodgers if they were rich like Trump they could avoid the draft by paying some doctor off to claim they had a bone spur. Of course, that bone spur did not interfere in his playing football at the military reform school he attended for being a “troubled” youth.

          • WhiteFalcon

            There were a big bunch that went to Canada to avoid the draft. They weren’t rich. I wasn’t sure what I would do if they called me. I had a lot of trouble trying to figure out just why were were in Johnson’s war. I’m glad I wasn’t drafted. I did actually enlist toward the end of that mess, but the chances of going to Nam were slim at the time. That was a Democrat fiasco all the way. Johnson had no business trying to micro manage it because he was not qualified to do it. It was a bad deal all the way around.

          • I went in at the perfect time to make it to Khe Sahn in late “67-“68 as part of the 3rd Marine Division. I was a part of the most intensive fighting of the whole war against the North Vietnamese as well as the Chinese Army. I was wounded twice there, 3 times if you consider the wounds that are not seen but felt daily. But, if it had not been for Khe Sahn I would not have received my PhD and become a priest. That experience inspired me to serve God and His children.

          • WhiteFalcon

            Congratulations. I hope that the rest of your life can be extremely rewarding for you.

          • Thank you and you also.

          • AKLady

            One that ha been charged and fined by the DOJ.

            Start your education with United States v. Fred Trump, Donald Trump …, New York, 1973. There are about 200 more just like it. https://www.clearinghouse.net/detail.php?id=15342

          • ROFLOL! Nonense! But, you have quite an imagination.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • Uninformed nonsense, Trump has been a lifetime far left liberal Democrat ideologue his entire life. Just prior to running for POTUS he was known as the kingmaker in the Democrat party and was almost solely responsible for the election of his friend Barack Obama with his influence and funding. After getting Obama elected he gloated that Obama is a great President. Conservative Republicans like myself strongly disagree with his conclusion and have no inclination to give this leftist support in turning America to the ideological left.

          • Absolute ignorant uninformed nonsense…Trump has been a far left liberal Democrat ideologue his entire life.

          • James Richard Holt

            Ok instead of making unsubstantiated claim in a rude manner I might add present your evidence.

          • My answer was succinct and not rude. I will not do the research for you since that is something you should have already done before supporting a candidate. If you had done the research into Trump’s past you would have found him to be a consistent lifetime far left liberal Democrat ideologue. If you were informed it would not be necessary for me to substantiate my claim. Do the research and get back to me when you are informed and we will talk. Here is a hint: Trump has never had conservative. Trump has no conservative compulsions or desires.

          • Simply learn to use Google and do you9r own research. If you are honest you will come to the same conclusions as I.

          • Trump is an icon for typical “60’s draft dodger. He and Clinton had the same lack of courage and faithfulness to their country. The problem is we need a true Republican in the White House instead of a Northeast lifetime far left liberal pretending to be a Republican in the White House. In this election, I am afraid that the country, in general, has turned sharply to the left embracing those leftist ideologues who continue to cause our problems socially and economically. The more Americans are controlled by the left the more they want and that is sad. The American independent pioneer spirit is long dead and buried. America is on a decline as a nation as the fat cats like Trump are glorified and ignored for their leftist ideology.

        • AKLady

          Trump has never been a Republican.

        • mlmaston

          Trump is not Establishment. He is not a Politician… Republican or Democrat. He is a business who is sick and tired of the way Big Government is buggering the American people.

          • Are you really that ignorant an uninformed about Trump’s leftist history. You need to research and inform yourself. Trump has NEVER been a conservative but instead ha always been a fr left liberal Democrat ideologue.

      • It seems even Trump understand how difficult that is going to be.

        https://youtu.be/60xzziXGVno

        • mlmaston

          Trump… just do it.

          • pmbalele

            Do what? You should come out of shadow and suggest what Trump should do. I have suggested to Trump to get rid of premium. The alternative should be to have a 0.01 sales tax. This will fund the Obamacare expanded and won’t hurt anybody poor or rich.

          • mlmaston

            Repeal Obamacare of course.
            What do you think we’re talking about here?

          • pmbalele

            I believe only morons want to get rid of Obamacare because Obama’s family is Black. Get out that racist bubble and think for yourself what you want in this country. You’re listening too much to racists like Ryan, McConnell. These are dangerous to your health.

          • mlmaston

            I’m black myself…. your comment is the most asinine comment I’ve read so far.

          • SD of AZ

            Pmbalele must be drunk himself. Usually he makes some sense but not this time.

          • pmbalele

            If you’re Black, then watch your back. They may be laughing with you, but their have their agenda.

          • mlmaston

            Fuck them and their agenda… I can take care of myself.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • mlmaston

            Pmbalele may be drunk, but his comment also put his intelligence under question. Also…. only a Racist would call another person a racist.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            Ru racist or just plain Liberal? You are a very low class person you are a
            loving example of pure hate, ignorance and low energy…now sit down fool! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e103b4318718359ca3d2ed44eae1c567d2c3d0393742e9a25a834c49c59fa486.jpg

          • pmbalele

            Did you hear the rumors today – President Trump wants to quit the job? I would not blame him. He already looks old. He was good looking during the campaign; but not today. I guess his body has lost 6 years within 4 weeks. Today another judge blocked his foreign policy. Hawaii gets a lot of tourists to see the volcanoes. Erasing Obamacare died today. Would you please ask Trump to hire me as consultant on expanding Obamacare? Those around him are usually drunk – do not have opinion of their own. They depend on Paul Ryan – the liar.

          • It would be fabulous if he did quit but that is an impossibility. He is old and has looked that way for more than a decade. He is also horribly out of shape. For goodness sakes…during the campaign he spray painted his face orange.

            Praise God for conservative judges.

            Don’t blame Trump or those around him…it is George Soros who bought the US presidency and is running the show. Trump is just his puppet.

          • mlmaston

            I don’t listen to rumors…. I prefer facts, of which you have none.

          • pmbalele

            Do you why we have computer hackers and ransomware? It is because Repubs and TPs are cutting funds for poor kids to attend college. I have recommended Trump to give our local smart kids college computer education. But Repubs and TPs and especially Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell want to cut funding for scholarships for smart kids who want university education. Other nations such as India, China and African are giving free university computer education to their smart kids. I hope President Trump will listen to me to avail scholarships to poor smart local kids.

          • mlmaston

            Changing the topic, eh?

          • Delma Munoz

            Sure FRAUD GOVTEETWHORE..there is a big line around GOP and REAL AMERICANs vs GOT TETWHORES…bowing to Libs/Left cowards of the Century…no can contrib ute anything except lies, deceitful et al..vs the soil you sit upon blood sucking from REAL AMERICANs..workers, taxpayers..get it..if not jump off a very tall building before your compadres…ISLAMOFASCISTNAZIs find you..

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • Yes and all those morons voted for Trump.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            Crooked Hillary lost becuase she was a Liberal liar ….AMERICA LOVES TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!! Only haters hate trump like you! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a014f9838320e190e6af1c2575ee5ed5d7bcd50818eec07989ea9a6defe54463.jpg

          • Trump won because he is a lifetime liberal liar.

          • Did you not notice that Trump ran to the left of Hillary on abortion, funding of Planned Parenthood, gun control, and healthcare. Ideologically they are both lifetime far left liberal Democrat ideologues with very little differences in their ideology. Trump is without a question the most far left person to ever get elected to POTUS. It is ironic that he did as a Republican which is a party that he has traditionally has hated his whole life.

          • Delma Munoz

            Eat your own manure…regurjitated..as many times as the ESTABLISHMENT and its GOVTEETWHOREs. spew out vile, wicked deceitful from HELL of which they are destined to return…and not soon enough…

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AntiGOP

            Repeal Obamacare…ya baby…

            That would guaranty every red seat to blue throughout America

            Then we would be GREATER AGAIN.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AntiGOP
          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • AntiGOP

            Go back in your cave GODBlessRealAmerica! you obviously have nothing to offer this Cun Tree.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/02ed012d311db25ef56a50b8b2279b8ca3886a47b2233dfa1de622a3d1c0505f.gif

        • AKLady

          Actually, Trump does not want it repealed. He would lose too much money, not to mention probably being impeached.

        • AKLady

          The lies Trump has told since January 20:

          1. White House press secretary Sean Spicer falsely claimed the crowd on the National Mall was “largest audience to ever witness an inauguration.” (Jan. 21)

          2.Trump falsely claimed that the crowd for his swearing-in stretched down the National Mall to the Washington Monument and totaled more than 1 million people. (Jan. 21)

          3.As Trump fondly recalled his Inauguration Day, he said it stopped raining “immediately” when he began his speech. A light rain continued to fall throughout the address. (Jan. 21)

          4.During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump claimed the media made up his feud with the agency. In fact, he started it by comparing the intelligence community to “Nazi Germany.” (Jan. 21)

          5.During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump repeated the claim that he “didn’t want to go into Iraq.” He told Howard Stern in 2002 that he supported the Iraq War. (Jan. 21)

          6.During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump said he had the “all-time record in the history of Time Magazine. … I’ve been on it for 15 times this year.” Trump had been featured on the magazine a total of 11 times. (Jan. 21)

          7.Trump claimed that his inauguration drew 11 million more viewers than Barack Obama’s in 2013. It didn’t, and viewership for Obama’s first inauguration, in 2009, was even higher. (Jan. 22)

          8.Spicer said during his first press briefing that there has been a “dramatic expansion of the federal workforce in recent years.” This is false. (Jan. 23)

          9.While pushing back against the notion of a rift between the CIA and Trump, Spicer claimed the president had received a “five-minute standing ovation” at the agency’s headquarters. He did not. The attendees were also never asked to sit down. (Jan. 23)

          10.Spicer claimed that “tens of millions of people” watched the inauguration online. In fact, about 4.6 million did. (Jan. 23)

          11.Trump told CBN News that 84 percent Cuban-Americans voted for him. It’s not clear where Trump got that number. According to the Pew Research Center, 54 percent of Cuban-Americans in Florida voted for him. (Jan. 23)

          12.While meeting with congressional leaders, Trump repeated a debunked claim that he only lost the national popular vote because of widespread voter fraud. (Jan. 24)

          13.In remarks with business leaders at the White House, Trump said, “I’m a very big person when it comes to the environment. I have received awards on the environment.” There is no evidence that Trump has received such awards. (Jan. 24)

          14.In signing an executive memo ordering the construction of the Keystone pipeline, Trump said the project would create 28,000 construction jobs. According to The Washington Post Fact Checker, the pipeline would create an estimated 16,000 jobs, most of which are not construction jobs. (Jan. 25)

          15.Spicer said in a press briefing that Trump received more electoral votes than any Republican since Ronald Reagan. George H.W. Bush won 426 electoral votes in 1988, more than Trump’s 304. (Jan. 24)

          16.In remarks he gave at the Homeland Security Department, Trump said Immigration and Customs Enforcement and border patrol agents “unanimously endorsed me for president.” That’s not true. (Jan. 25)

          17.Spicer said during a press briefing that a draft executive order on CIA prisons was not a “White House document.” Citing three administration officials, The New York Times reported that the White House had circulated the draft order among national security staff members. (Jan. 25)

          18.In an interview with ABC, Trump again claimed he “had the biggest audience in the history of inaugural speeches.” False. (Jan. 25)

          19.Trump claimed during an interview with ABC that the applause he received at CIA headquarters “was the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl.” It wasn’t even a standing ovation. (Jan. 25)

          20.In an interview with ABC, Trump attacked the Affordable Care Act and said there are “millions of people that now aren’t insured anymore.” Twenty million people have gained health coverage because of the law so far. The estimated 2 million people who did not qualify under the law received waivers that kept the plans going until the end of 2017. (Jan. 25)

          21.At the GOP retreat in Philadelphia, Trump claimed he and the president of Mexico “agreed” to cancel their scheduled meeting. Enrique Peña Nieto said he had decided to cancel it. (Jan. 26)

          22.At the GOP retreat in Philadelphia, Trump said the national homicide rate was “horribly increasing.” It is down significantly. (Jan. 26)

          23.On Twitter, Trump repeated his false claim that 3 million votes were illegal during the election. (Jan. 27)

          24.In an interview on “Good Morning America,” Trump counselor Kellyanne Conway said Tiffany Trump, the president’s daughter, had told her she was “not registered to vote in two states.” A local election official confirmed to NBC News twice that the younger Trump indeed was. (Jan. 27)

          25.Trump said he predicted the so-called “Brexit” when he was in Scotland the day before the vote. He was actually there the day after the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. (Jan. 27)

          26.Trump claimed The New York Times lost subscribers “because their readers even like me.” The Times experienced a sharp uptick in subscribers after Election Day. (Jan. 27)

          27.Trump claimed two people were fatally shot in Chicago during Obama’s last speech as president. That didn’t happen. (Jan. 27)

          28.Trump claimed that under previous administrations, “if you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible.” In fact, almost as many Christian refugees were admitted to the U.S. as Muslim refugees in fiscal year 2016. (Jan. 27)

          29.Trump defended the swiftness of his immigration order on the grounds that terrorists would have rushed into the country if he had given the world a week’s notice. Even if terrorists wanted to infiltrate the refugee program or the visa program, they would have had to wait months or even years while being vetted to get into the country. (Jan. 30)

          30.The White House maintained that Trump’s immigration order did not apply to green card holders and that was “the guidance from the beginning.” Initially, the White House said the order did include green card holders. (Jan. 30)

          31.Trump said his immigration order was “similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.” Obama’s policy slowed resettlement of refugees from Iraq, but did not keep them from entering the country. Moreover, it flagged the seven countries included in Trump’s order as places the U.S. considered dangerous to visit. (Jan. 30)

          32.Spicer said that “by and large,” Trump has been “praised” for his statement commemorating the Holocaust. Every major Jewish organization, including the Republican Jewish Coalition, criticized it for omitting any specific references to the Jewish people or anti-Semitism. (Jan. 30)

          33.A Trump administration official called the implementation of Trump’s travel ban a “massive success story.” Not true ? young children, elderly people and U.S. green card holders were detained for hours. Some were deported upon landing in the U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) even criticized the rollout as “confusing.” (Jan. 30)

          34.Spicer equated White House adviser Steve Bannon’s appointment to the National Security Council Principals Committee with Obama adviser David Axelrod attending meetings pertaining to foreign policy. Axelrod, however, never sat on the Principals Committee. (Jan. 30)

          35.Spicer said people would have “flooded” into the country with advance notice of Trump’s immigration order. Not true. (Jan. 30)

          36.Spicer insisted that only 109 travelers were detained because of Trump’s immigration order. More than 1,000 legal permanent residents had to get waivers before entering the U.S. An estimated 90,000 people in total were affected by the ban. (Jan. 30)

          37.Trump tweeted the false claim that “only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning.” (Jan. 30)

          38.Trump took credit for cutting $600 million from the F-35 program. But Lockheed Martin already had planned for the cost reductions for the next generation fighter plane. (Jan. 31)

          39.Trump accused China of manipulating its currency by playing “the money market. They play the devaluation market, and we sit there like a bunch of dummies.” According to The Washington Post, the United States is no longer being hurt by China’s currency manipulation, and China is no longer devaluing its currency. (Jan. 31)

          40.In defending the GOP’s blockade of Merrick Garland, Obama’s nominee to the Supreme Court, Spicer said no president had ever nominated a justice “so late” in his term. It previously happened three times. (Jan. 31)

          41.Spicer repeatedly insisted during a press conference that Trump’s executive order on immigration was “not a ban.” During a Q&A event the night before, however, Spicer himself referred to the order as a “ban.” So did the president. (Jan. 31)

          42.White House officials denied reports that Trump told Peña Nieto that U.S. forces would handle the “bad hombres down there” if the Mexican authorities don’t. It confirmed the conversation the next day, maintaining the remark was meant to be “lighthearted.” (Jan. 31)

          43.Trump claimed that Delta, protesters and the tears of Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) were to blame for the problems over his travel ban. In fact, his administration was widely considered to blame for problems associated with its rollout. (Jan. 31)

          44.Trump said the Obama administration “agreed to take thousands of illegal immigrants from Australia.” The deal actually involved 1,250 refugees. (Feb. 1)

          45.Trump said the U.S. “has the most generous immigration system in the world.” Not really. (Feb. 2)

          46.Trump said the U.S. was giving Iran $150 billion for “nothing” under the Iranian nuclear deal. The money was already Iran’s to begin with, and the deal blocks Iran from building a nuclear bomb. (Feb. 2)

          47.Spicer called a U.S. raid in Yemen “very, very well thought out and executed effort” and described it as a “successful operation by all standards.” U.S. military officials told Reuters the operation was approved “without sufficient intelligence, ground support, or adequate backup preparations.” (Feb. 2)

          48.Spicer said that Iran had attacked a U.S. naval vessel, as part of his argument defending the administration’s bellicose announcement that Iran is “on notice.” In fact, a suspected Houthi rebel ship attacked a Saudi vessel. (Feb. 2)

          49.In his meeting with union leaders at the White House, Trump claimed he won union households. He actually only won white union households. (Feb. 2)

          50.Conway cited the “Bowling Green massacre” to defend Trump’s travel ban. It never happened. (Feb. 3)

          51.Conway said citing the nonexistent “Bowling Green massacre” to defend Trump’s immigration order was an accidental “slip.” But she had mentioned it twice prior to that interview. (Feb. 3)

          52.Trump approvingly shared a story on his official Facebook page which claimed that Kuwait issued a visa ban for five Muslim-majority countries. Kuwait issued a statement categorically denying it. (Feb. 3)

          53.Trump claimed people are “pouring in” after his immigration order was temporarily suspended. Travelers and refugees cannot simply rush into the U.S. without extensive and lengthy vetting. (Feb. 5)

          54.After a judge halted his immigration ban, Trump claimed that “anyone, even with bad intentions, can now come into the U.S.” Not true. (Feb. 5)

          55.Spicer said nationwide protests of Trump are not like protests the tea party held, and called them “a very paid AstroTurf-type movement.” Although Democrats have capitalized on the backlash against Trump by organizing, the massive rallies across dozens of cities across the country ? which in some cases have been spontaneous ? suggests they are part of an organic phenomenon. (Feb. 6)

          56.During an interview with Fox News before the Super Bowl, Trump repeated his debunked claim of widespread voter fraud during the presidential election. There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. Republican and Democratic state officials have said so, as have Trump’s own campaign attorneys. (Feb. 6)

          57.During an interview with Fox News before the Super Bowl, Trump repeated his false claim that he has “been against the war in Iraq from the beginning.” (Feb. 6)

          58.Conway said she would not appear on CNN’s “State of the Union” because of “family” reasons. CNN, however, said the White House offered Conway as an alternative to Vice President Mike Pence and that the network had “passed” because of concerns about her “credibility.” (Feb. 6)

          59.Spicer claimed CNN “retracted” its explanation of why it declined to take Conway for a Sunday show appearance. CNN said it never did so. (Feb. 6)

          60.Trump cited attacks in Boston, Paris, Orlando, Florida, and Nice, France, as examples of terrorism the media has not covered adequately. “In many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn’t want to report it,” he said at CENTCOM. Those attacks garnered wall-to-wall television coverage, as well as thousands of news articles in print and online. (Feb. 6)

          61.The White House released a more expansive list of terrorist attacks it believed “did not receive adequate attention from Western media sources.” Again, the list includes attacks that were widely covered by the media. (Feb. 6)

          62.Trump said sanctuary cities “breed crime.” FBI data indicates that crime in sanctuary cities is generally lower than in nonsanctuary cities. (Feb. 6)

          63.Trump claimed The New York Times was “forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my election win.” The paper has not issued such an apology. (Feb. 6)

          64.Trump claimed the murder rate is the highest it’s been in 47 years. The murder rate rose 10.8 percent across the United States in 2015, but it’s far lower than it was 30 to 40 years ago. (Feb. 7)

          65.Spicer explained that the delay in repealing Obamacare was a result of the White House wanting to work with Congress. Unlike during the Obama administration, he asserted, the legislature ? not the White House ? was taking the lead on health care. Various congressional committees worked on drafting multiple versions of the bill that would become the Affordable Care Act ? a lengthy process that took over a year. (Feb. 7)

          66.Trump accused Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) of misrepresenting “what Judge Neil Gorsuch told him” in response to the president’s attacks against the judiciary. Gorsuch called Trump’s tweets attacking federal judges “demoralizing.” A spokesman for Gorsuch confirmed the judge’s remarks. (Feb. 9)

          67.Trump has repeatedly said he doesn’t watch CNN. But he had to in order to see and offer and opinion on the network’s interview with Blumenthal. (Feb. 9)

          68.Former national security adviser Michael Flynn has said that phone calls he made to Russia prior to Trump’s inauguration were not related to sanctions. According to a Washington Post report, however, Flynn held private discussions with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador, before Trump took office, suggesting that sanctions against Moscow would be eased by the incoming administration. (Feb. 9)

          69.Trump took credit for Ford’s decision not to open an auto factory in Mexico and instead expand its Michigan plant. The company said Trump was not responsible for its decision. (Feb. 9)

          70.Trump told a room full of politicians that “thousands” of “illegal” voters had been driven into New Hampshire to cast ballots. There is no evidence of such a claim. (Feb. 11)

          71.During an interview with ABC’s “This Week,” White House senior policy aide Stephen Miller falsely said the “issue of busing voters into New Hampshire is widely known by anyone who’s worked in New Hampshire politics.” Again, not true. (Feb. 11)

          72.Miller cited the “astonishing” statistic that 14 percent of noncitizens are registered to vote. The study the stat is based on has been highly contested. (Feb. 11)

          73.Trump said Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was “cut off” on CNN for “using the term fake news the describe the network.” The senator was joking and he was not cut off. (Feb. 12)

          74.Trump accused the media of refusing to report on “big crowds of enthusiastic supporters lining the road” in Florida. There were a few supporters, but they were vastly outnumbered by hundreds of protesters. (Feb. 12)

          75.White House officials told reporters that Flynn decided on his own to resign. However, Spicer said during a press briefing that the president asked Flynn to resign. (Feb. 13)

          76.Trump denied in a January interview that he or anyone on his campaign had any contact with Russia prior to the election. However, The New York Times and CNN both reported that Trump campaign officials and associates “had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials” before Nov. 8. (Feb. 15)

          77.Spicer denied in a daily briefing that anyone on the Trump campaign had had any contact with Russian officials. (Feb. 15)

          78.Trump complained he “inherited a mess” upon being elected to office. The stock market is experiencing record highs, the economy is stable and growing, and unemployment is low. (Feb. 16)

          79.Trump disputed the notion that his administration is experiencing turmoil, telling reporters it is working like a “fine-tuned machine.” His poorly executed travel ban has been suspended by the courts, a Cabinet nominee was forced to withdraw his nomination, and Trump’s national security adviser resigned after less than four weeks on the job. (Feb. 16)

          80.Trump said his 306 Electoral College votes was the biggest electoral votes victory since Ronald Reagan. Obama got 332 votes in 2012. (Feb. 16)

          81.Trump said his first weeks in office “represented an unprecedented month of action.” Obama accomplished much more during his first weeks in office. (Feb. 16)

          82.Defending himself from charges of hypocrisy on the matter of leaks ? which he frequently celebrated when they pertained to his campaign opposition but now denounces ? Trump said that WikiLeaks does not publicize “classified information.” It does, often anonymously. (Feb. 16)

          83.Trump repeated his claim that Hillary Clinton gave 20 percent of American uranium to the Russians in a deal during her tenure as secretary of state. Not true. (Feb. 16)

          84.Trump said drugs are “becoming cheaper than a candy bar.” They are not. (Feb. 16)

          85.Trump said his administration had a “very smooth rollout of the travel ban.” His immigration caused chaos at the nation’s airports and has been suspended by the courts. (Feb. 16)

          86.Trump said the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is in “chaos” and “turmoil.” It is not. (Feb. 16)

          87.Flynn lied to FBI investigators in a Jan. 24 interview about whether he discussed sanctions with Russian officials prior to Trump’s inauguration, according to The Washington Post. (Feb. 6)

          88.Trump falsely suggested at a Florida rally that Sweden had suffered a terror attack the night before his speech. It had not, and Trump was likely referring to a Fox News segment on crime in Sweden. (Feb. 18)

          89.During his Florida rally, Trump repeated his false claim that the United States has already let in thousands of people who “there was no way to vet.” Refugees undergo the most rigorous vetting process of any immigrants admitted to the United States, often waiting upwards of two years to be cleared for entry. (Feb. 18)

          90.White House chief of staff Reince Priebus said in a “Fox News Sunday” interview that Trump “has accomplished more in the first 30 days than people can remember.” Obama accomplished much more during his first weeks in office. (Feb. 19)

          91.Trump said during his campaign that he would only play golf with heads of state and business leaders, not friends and celebrities like Obama did. Trump has golfed with world leaders like Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. Most recently, however, he hit the links with golf pro Rory McIlroy, International Sports Management’s Nick Mullen and his friend Rich Levine. (Feb. 19)

          92.A White House spokesperson told reporters that Trump only played a “couple” of holes at his golf resort in Florida. A day later, as reports came out saying the president had played 18 holes with Mcllroy, the White House admitted he played “longer.” (Feb. 19)

          93.Trump said the media is “trying to say large scale immigration in Sweden is working out just beautifully. NOT!” Sweden’s crime rate has fallen in recent years, and experts there do not think its immigration policies are linked to crime. (Feb. 20)

          94.Spicer said Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) asked for a meeting with Trump at the White House. John Weaver, a former campaign aide of the governor, said the president asked for the meeting. (Feb. 21)

          95.Vice President Mike Pence called Obamacare a “job killer.” Overall, job growth has been steady since it was signed into law. And the number of unwilling part-time jobs has also gone down, contrary to GOP claims. (Feb. 22)

          96.Trump claimed that he negotiated $1 billion in savings to develop two new Boeing Co. jets to serve as the next Air Force One. The Air Force can’t account for that number. (Feb. 22)

          97.During a meeting with the nation’s CEOs at the White House, Trump claimed his new economic adviser Gary Cohn “paid $200 million in tax” to take a job at the White House. Cohn didn’t have to pay taxes, he had to sell more than $200 million of Goldman Sachs stock. (Feb. 23)

          98.Trump claimed there were “six blocks” worth of people waiting to get into the Conservative Political Action Conference to see him. People filled only three overflow rooms. (Feb. 24)

          99.At CPAC, Trump said that Obamacare covers “very few people.” Nearly 20 million people have gotten health insurance under the law. (Feb. 24)

          100.At CPAC, Trump said companies like Intel were making business investments in the United States because of his election. The company planned their new investments before the election. (Feb. 24)

          • 65 REAL LIES in 0bama’s words that you dolts on the left accepted without question.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c

            When you hypocrites on the left start holding your own politicians accountable, we will talk about your kooked up BS.

          • AKLady

            Typical right-wing, out of context sewage.
            The picture you posted is not even Obama.

          • It is not just a picture Dr… It is a video, with 0bama’s lies, right from 0bama’s mouth…

            So now you thinks 0bama’s words and speeches are sewage… interesting.

          • AKLady

            Only it is not a photograph of Obama.
            The whole mess are photo-shopped garbage, about as reliable as that Brazilians revolution picture you claim are Muslims,.

          • You are the only person that gives a rats arse that the photo was photo shopped.
            At this point “What difference does it make?”

            The entire video is 0bama’s words, 65 promises, some lies, none kept. The words are what is important, the lies are what hurt the American People, and you want to talk about pictures….

            Dr Evil is your new name. The art of deception and deflection must be your doctorate.

          • AKLady

            If you were a moral and ethical person, your would care it was a lie.
            You claim others lie while vomiting the same from your own mouth.
            Is that a case of “it takes one to know one”?

          • I care only that you are a hypocrite and thus comments like yours do not deserve respect. You are dishonest, Dr. Evil.

            Those were 0bama’s words, the pictures were not speaking for 0bama and matter not.

          • SD of AZ

            So true. And well said.

          • AKLady

            The picture is not even Obama.
            One of the poorest cut and paste jobs I have seen in awhile.
            Then, the right-wing complains about lies ..
            Give it up.

          • Actually it should be expected of liberals like Trump and Obama to be liars.

          • And it is… We all sin, except perhaps you… the big difference between the liberal lies and the Conservative lies, is that Conservatives have woken up, and now are holding their representatives accountable for their lies.

            Liberals like AK can’t even see that 0bama has lied to them. Yet they hypocritically expect conservatives to believe every kooked up piece of rhetoric that they make up.

            When I post a video with 0bama making comments that turned out to be false and the only thing the liberal dolt can find is a faked picture to argue about, I pretty much have made my point. The stuff that 0bama lied about had an impact on ALL of us. Sometime extremely serious impacts.

            The left failed to hold him accountable, even when 0bama hurt them.

            Now look at the crap in AK’s list… Many are merely opinions that they disagree with. Of no consequence at all, except when they use the accusation of lying.

            AK is beyond a shadow of doubt a liberal troll. Liberals have been known to send operatives behind enemy lines (pose as conservatives) with the intent to make conservatives look bad. She is out in the open, some are not, and your support of her comments is one of the reasons why I accused you of being a liberal. Me bad?? Maybe. I can’t tell anymore, who is the enemy and whom isn’t.

          • AKLady

            The major lie is yours.
            Which is your typical behavior.
            The picture you posted in not of Obama.

          • SD of AZ

            BORING AK. Boring old rhetoric. Got a new line of lies or not? If not tired of these same old arguments and lies! You ought to know better AK, I do think you are smarter than this. And again, as usual, a reminder you need fresh stuff, a new point or two in the libtard arguments that you constantly expound on! And you know whining is not becoming for a lady.

          • AKLady

            Facts are facts.
            Those presented are recorded facts.
            If you don’t like truth, tough.

          • mlmaston

            Maybe “AKLady” is really a male…. I stop short of calling it a man.

          • Only an idiot or someone who has liven in a cave for the last 50 years wouldn’t know that Trump is a consummate liar. Get real this is not news to anyone not in a coma.

          • AKLady

            Well, most of the posters on this site kiss Trump’s plumber’s crack.

          • mlmaston

            Really??? “If you like your medical insurance, you can keep your medical insurance… if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”. Those two glaring whoppers come to mind…to say nothing about how much money we would be saving with this plan that he rammed through without a single vote from the Republican held house. As well as illegal “Tax”, again, passed without a single vote from the House of Representatives ( Republican held ). Nowhere is it mentioned in the Constitution does it say that the President has the power to DICTATE policy or pass taxes. To believe otherwise would be to believe a lie. Something that Liberals, such as you, are ready… and more than willing to do.

          • Hey dog, you are barking up the wrong tree…I am far from being a leftist liberal like Trump but instead I am a far right lifetime Republican conservative.

          • mlmaston

            Well….to me, you come across like a Liberal.

          • The fact that I oppose this charlatan Trump pretending to be a Republican and a conservative when, in fact he has a lifetime history of being a far left liberal Democrat his whole life. Look at his closest friends who are the Clinton’s and the Soros’. George Soros even funded his campaign with 312 million dollars in loan forgiveness in Chicago so that Trump could avoid personal bankruptcy and and run for POTUS. Essentially Trump sold the Presidency for 312 million dollars to Soros. The quid pro quo is that almost the entirety of Trumps cabinet are former Soros executives. IOW’s Soros is really the POTUS by being the puppet master pulling Trump’s indebted strings.

            If I were a liberal Democrat I would be ecstatic that Trump is POTUS but as a conservative lifetime Republican I am really disappointed that the Republican Party did not take advantage of the situation and nominate an actual conservative Republican to run against the leftist Hillary. This election proves the insanity of the American electorate which keeps electing far left liberal ideologues to POTUS but of course each time these insane voters expect a different result. God help America.Do research about Trump’s past. You do not have to be one of his deceived stooges.

          • mlmaston

            The Republicans didn’t have a viable choice to go up against Clinton…. and the voters knew it. If they tried to put one of those stooges up against Clinton, they would have been steamrolled. Trump is more of a Conservative Independent…who ran under the Republican banner. The deal he made with the Republicans was that he would not run as a third party candidate, IF the Republicans played fairly….and of course they didn’t. By then, the election campaign had progressed to far for him to run as a third party candidate…. so…. he decided to beat the Republican turncoats at their own game. Intelligence vs senility is admittedly not a fair contest, but the senile Republicans weren’t interested in fair play anyway. They got what they deserved…. and We The People got what we needed. It is not our fault that the Republican and Democratic elites couldn’t handle being outsmarted by the very man they were trying to destroy. I suggest that they get over it, and their over inflated egos, and get into the business of running this Country the way We The People want them to, or come the next election, those same people could find themselves out of a job. We The People have put up with all the crap that we’re going to put up with. No more.

          • The American electorate is in a never ending cycle of insanity. We keep nominating far left liberal Democrat ideologues to run for POTUS. Trump is without any doubt the most leftist person to ever run for POTUS on any party. I see the irony of him running s a Republican which is the party that he has always despised as the far left lifetime Democrat.The Clinton’s, Trump’s and the Soros’ came up with a brilliant plan to get a leftist elected and that was to not have anyone but leftists running. America was doomed to have a leftist as POTUS from the beginning of the election process with the actual conservative Republicans eliminated before the primaries. I disagree that America needed another far left liberal Democrat as POTUS. As a conservative Republican I find such desires as foolishness and in fact insanity to keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Neither the Democrats or the Republicans opposed the leftist takeover of the White House once again. Unfortunately Americans were duped by Trump’s celebrity and forgot tht he is a far left lifetime liberal democrat and best friends of the Clinton’s and the Soros’. God help America having to endure more leftist leadership in the executive branch. All we had to do is run a true conservative Republican and the White House would have been in control of conservative Republicans instead of this leftist Democrat icon Trump.

          • You can support whom you wish but i suggest that you stop the self delusion. Trump has never been conservative in any way. In the election he ran to the left of Hillary on key policy issues like abortion wanting abortion on demand to be a part of the Republican platform. Defiantly the platform committee refused. He wanted an expansion of Planned Parenthood funding and scope and sang their praises. He campaigned wanting to expand gun control by having a national registration of gun owners which would surely result in gun confiscation from law abiding citizens. He wanted universal healthcare for all using the socialist Canadian system as a model. Trump is no conservative in thought, word or deed.

            America was not in need then nor is it now in need for continuation of the Obama Presidency as if on steroids. Trump is to the left of even Obama whom, BTW, he called a “great President” after getting Obama nominated and funding his campaign when Trump was a Democrat insider and kingmaker. I do not know what you are referring to as “(Crap)” but Trump certainly will continue the leftist direction of leadership championed by Obama. My position is tht if you did not want to continue the “crap” then why did you vote to elect the person that gave us the last POTUS full of leftist excrement. You are spouting insanity.

          • mlmaston

            Jeezy Pete!! Hillary is as far left as you can go. You’re the delusional one…. but I guess you can’t expect much else from a Liberal troll. Goodbye, Troll.

          • What? You have all the qualities of a leftist troll by supporting a far left liberal Democrat as POTUS. Time for a reality check for you…if you support a lifetime far left liberal Democrat ideologue then you are a leftist. Deal with it and stop trying to be deceptive. Trump campaigned to the left of Hillary and I believed him. Obviously you ignored his far left liberal positions and actions. Ideologically Trump and Hillary are very close to the same ideologically. That is probably why they have such a long time friendship between their families.

          • mlmaston

            Still here, Troll?

          • I’m here…Have you been licking your wounds and now coming back for more reality in your life. How can I help you recover from your delusions about your Svengali Trump being anything other than the far left liberal Democrat ideologue he has always been?

          • Leftists like yourself never get weary of liberal leadership but keep voting these leftists in over and over again expecting a different result. You personify insanity.

          • AKLady

            Yet, the right-wing that worships him are totally blind to those lies.

          • AKLady

            It is news to 99% of the posters on this blog.
            Moreover, they cannot see the lies even when they are highlighted.
            Then, again, maybe they just can’t admit the facts,

          • The closest Trump ever comes to the truth is outlandish hyperbole.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
      • It will not happen. America elected the king of the RINO’s.

    • Germansmith

      Removing the cancer…forget that. Die of Cancer , one less person to collect SS checks.
      That is their healthcare plan and to save social security

      Wall…cost 23 billions to build, about 2 billion a year for maintenance and defending in it and billion of dollars in more sales of fast boats and subs to drug dealers…because they also want to reduce the Coast Guard budget by 1.3 billions a year….
      maybe Trump wants also to build a wall around our 4000+ miles of coast line?
      ….and the Trump Chumps will applaud with glee

      • john

        Germsandshit – You communist dumb bastard! Go ride your bike down one of the commie bike lanes and get smashed by a Mexican run trash truck!

        • Mike

          His statistics about the wall appear to be right on with all estimates put forth thus far. I cannot comment on the Coast Guard comment, but the wall is going to cost a fortune and really prevent nothing as they will just come in by boat, tunnel, or car. Let’s be honest the purpose of the wall is for people in Ohio, Iowa, Idaho to feel better not to actually keep people out.

          • Historically walls have been built to keep people in and not people out. Trump is asking for our taxes to go up exponentially to pay for a wall to incarcerate ourselves.

          • Jerry

            I believe the wall will keep out a large portions of illegals and drugs. It will pay for itself with the welfare savings we will not be paying illegals and with jobs Legal Americans will be working instead of money under the table as earned by illegals and their welfare subsidies.

          • One word describes your statements…”NONSENSE”.

          • Bill Meyers

            Glad you understand the word nonsense bf side it applies to many of your comments.

          • I doubt it or a leftist like you would have pointed it out.

          • AKLady

            The food in your cupboard will double, if not quadruple in cost.
            Apparently, the foolish right-winger cannot see the entire issue, or the consequences od what he is demanding.

          • AKLady

            Another one who has not bothered to think the issue through
            to its consequence.

            When you have disposed of the “illegal” workers,
            you will not be able to afford to buy groceries.
            The food in your cupboard will double, if not quadruple in cost.

          • Bill Meyers

            Not if you consider the cost of welfare, EBT, educating their kids, incarceration of their criminals, etc.

          • AKLady

            Maybe you should actually look at the regulations that govern those programs.
            It would save you the embarrassment of making a fool of yourself before the world. But, hey, just about everyone else on this blog does that.
            .
            Those regulations are very clear:
            Must be a citizen or a legal immigrant.

            Legal immigrants must be in the US for 5 years before they qualify for the majority of benefits.

            Illegals qualify for minimal health care.
            That is a national defense issue, not welfare.

          • Excuse me for being dubious of leftists RINO’s like yourself. Perhaps you can be more specific rather than throwing unsupported accusations. I really have very little patience for those that support leftists like yourself.

          • worn out 123

            America has already begun to save millions as the criminal elements have begun departing. Millions become billions in savings after awhile. This deportation thing is making CENTS.

          • Mathew Molk

            Dollars too. Now lets start on the moslems.

          • AKLady

            You mean like Crispus Attucks who was the first casyalty of the American Revolution?

            You mean like Morocco, the first country to recognize our new nation — our ally of 225 years?

            You mean like these other allies which provide the U.S. with military bases, support our wars, minerals, oil … Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Bahrain,Cambodia, Djibouti, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kyrgyzstan, Morocco, Myanmar, Pakistan, Qatar, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan, Turkey, Uganda. United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam?

          • worn out 123

            Small “m”. I like that.

          • AKLady

            Someone has fed you some very bad data.

          • Mike

            So you believe some concrete will keep out drugs? Are you delusional? the drug business is a multibillion dollar business. Drug dealers will absolutely find a way to get their product into this country. They will use boats, underground tunnels, planes etc to get drugs into this country.
            http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/georgias-new-immigration-law-leading-to-crops-rotting-in-farmers-fields/
            As for the jobs illegals do feel free to go pick crops for almost nothing. Just as an example though Georgia passed a law to drive illegals out of Georgia. It worked but as a consequence millions of dollars of blueberries, onions and melons went unharvested and rotted in the fields.
            Be careful what you wish for.

          • Dan Lloret

            probably not; don’t think that was considered possible anyway, but it will at least make it more difficult. The primary goal as I see it is to restrict and slow the flow of people coming in without due process and proper vetting; those processes help to control infectious disease from spreading, are a check on potential terrorists, and a means of identifying criminal elements. An illegal immigrant is more citizen than a squatter is a member of your household

          • It already takes ten years and tens of thousands of dollars for the vetting of the children of American citizens to come to America. The process is badly in need of reform to make it easier for Americans to bring their families here. The process is ridiculously costly and an administrative nightmare. Make the immigration process more accessible and less costly and no wall will be needed. And, that is not saying that it is needed now because, it is not needed.

          • Donna Costa

            He did not say the wall would keep all drugs out, he said the they
            would be reduced. Can you read?

          • Mike

            Right my point is that it will not reduce the amount of drugs in this country at all. When there is that much money at stake nothing will stop people from getting their product into this country.

          • worn out 123

            It might help keep the cartels from growing it in East Texas as they have been recently.

          • Mathew Molk

            Man are you ever full of shit.

            You need to gt out in the real world once in a while.

          • Nonsense…the only way to reduce drugs coming across the border is to reduce demand. Walls cannot work for that end goal. It is simply ignorant folly.

          • kbmiller

            Reduce welfare to those who “Will not do that work”. During the Great Depression, millions of people would do ANY job to support their families. People uprooted their families to where the jobs were. When I was a teenager, I swept floors and cleaned bathrooms. Why do some people think they’re too good for these jobs. Get these lazy leaches out of the hammock of welfare. They’re crippling our economy.

          • Lilly Putney

            When I was young my family followed the crop season. We picked any thing that had to be picked. Potatoes cotton watermelons beans if it grew we picked it.

          • kbmiller

            Thanks for sharing Lilly, my dad was born and raised on a small farm which we’d visit a few times a year, and it was hard work. It’s just so hard for me to hear the words, “Jobs that Americans won’t do”. I believe it’s because the welfare benefits are waaaay too generous and there’s no incentive for millions of these leaches to get off their fat asses. It’s easier for them to squeeze out babies and walk to the mailbox on the 2nd of the month. PATHETIC !!!

          • worn out 123

            Yeah, but they vote democrat.

          • kbmiller

            Yep, they know what party will pay them with welfare for those votes too.

          • AKLady

            Another ignorant right-wing.
            Don’t you ever look up actual facts?

          • AKLady

            Yeah, but you are an idiot.

          • Indeed, without exception. And it is the leftist Democrats like Trump that do all of the complaining. Perhaps the Donald will do something when he imports his next Russian wife.

          • AKLady

            There are no “generous” welfare benefits.
            They are calculates to the minimum required to keep the person from dying.
            They are so generous that they increase the number of those 100% disabled. Moreover, they are so limited, that they impede brain development in children. That leads to a larger number of unemployed.
            Then there are those foreign made goods that you fill your shopping cart with every week.

          • Mathew Molk

            And it apparently did you no harm.10 bucks said you still have that work ethic. You have every right to be proud of what you did,,,,My mom’s family were sharecroppers in NC before she move to Baltimore and met my dad.

          • Lilly Putney

            Me I worked from the time I was 12 until I was 56 when I retired from Eastman Kodak. 25 years at Kodak , 5 years at Sylvania and a lot of waitress work as well owned two different restaurants. Now I am retired and my husband of 60 years are still doin things 82 and 84. Getting ready to go on the road this summer and to antique shows and flea markets. Great fun every one should have as much fun as I do.

          • I have lived in Texas a few years now and have not yet met a lazy former Mexican. They do the work no one else will.

          • kbmiller

            I’m now friends with some and some from Central America, also. You are correct, they are not afraid of work. I think the problem is that, for generations now, some people have been on the “Gummint” dole and now they EXPECT it from “Womb to Tomb”. They are the Dumb A$$ ok RAT party’s base. Their families are broken and their children have little chance of success. Our dad taught us the “Work ethic” and I’m glad he did, even tho I didn’t like it then (LOL). He also taught us the value of a hard earned dollar. Many on welfare don’t have either because they know that check will be there whether they get off their fat ass or not.

          • worn out 123

            SOCIALISM WORKS for a short time.

          • kbmiller

            Socialism, like sex,works for a short time. Then you gotta pay for it.

          • worn out 123

            Good one! Can I use that, please?

          • kbmiller

            Yep, be my guest. You posted some good ones too.

          • Mathew Molk

            A-Men !

          • AKLady

            Your ignorance and bigotry are an embarrassment to America.
            Your hate for the aged, disabled and poor is a very sad picture of the hate and selfishness that exists in America. I suspect that you also claim America is a Christian nation…. ha, ha, ha…

          • Lilly Putney

            All they had to do was do it legal. Go to the border and ask for day workers to come do the harvest. They et a green card for the number of days that it takes to do the harvest then the farmer returns them to the Mexician authorities to return home. While they are here you are responsible for their food and shelter and make sure that they do their work. At the end of the harvest they are paid in full and taken back to the border. That is how it was done for years until some idiot thought that was the wrong way. We did it for many years in Tx

          • Janet

            I agree with you 100% Lilly Putney. It was the Bracero program. The excuse for shutting it down was because the farmers supplied unhealthy housing conditions….I lived not to far from one here in CA years ago. I am sure there are ways to do it more cost effectively and comply with the law. I have said for years that it needs to be reinstated.

          • Mathew Molk

            OK as far as it goes, but how is that going to put an end to the wetbacks that are here sucking up welfare and forming street gangs?

          • AKLady

            #1 — illegals do not qualify for federal welfare.
            #2 — street gangs have existed since we became a nation.

          • Bill Meyers

            So because they existed it is okay if the continue? You are delusional!

          • AKLady

            LOL, ha, ha, ha …
            Street gangs have existed as long ad there has been cities.
            Street gangs will continue to exist as long a there are cities.
            It is a word-wide function of poverty.

          • AKLady

            Farmers supplied unhealthy housing conditions, that is a well-documented fact.
            The hovels were hell-holes without running water, without toilets, without screens in the windows, let alone glass and no electricity, whatsoever.

          • Bill Meyers

            Just like they lived in Mexico huh? I can see why that would offend them.

          • AKLady

            Are you really that ignorant?
            Offend the impoverished migrant worker? No.
            Offend decent, caring Americans? Without a doubt.

            I can see you could care less as long as you can stuff your face without having to look at how it got to the grocery store.

            Maybe you should think about the mosquitos that bit them also flew over to your yard and bit you. Never mind the outhouse pit that overflowed into your potential food, etc., etc… or the fact that their child attended school with your children.

            You probably also claim to be a Christian in a Christian America.

          • AKLady

            You didn’t even bother to look at a map.
            Texas is on the border.
            It takes a day just to drive from Georgia to the border.
            Oh, and foolish one, it was never done the way you claim.

          • worn out 123

            Gee whiz! My diet suffered and I never even noticed.

          • worn out 123

            Oh, dear me!
            Now, if we get rid of sanctuary cities crap I suppose I will starve before Mexicans will come to pick fruit for twice the wages they could earn inside Mexico.
            Just one problem with that. I live in town and can grow more tomatoes, onions, and radishes, than I can possibly consume. Blueberries? Try IHOP.

          • Mike

            if farmers have to pay more to have their crop picked they will raise their prices and the middle class and get hurt again.

          • worn out 123

            True. Except Mexicans will come to pick once again since cars will be made in America, henceforth. What else can they do now that America is not feeding and educating them besides legally immigrate to America (provided they don’t have a history of Los Zetas, Sinaloa, Nights Templar, etc., etc.). BTW, I will welcome them as always, in that case.

          • Mathew Molk

            We have AG robots all ready to go. In fact the are already in use. We are at the tipping point where migrant workers will be obsolete. 2 cents more a bushel is all it will take and after the learning curve and any remaining bugs are delt with the prrices will start dropping. These things can dig potatoes at night and work 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Well over 4 times the productivity of the best migrants.

          • Jerry

            Mike, the wall worked for Israel. As for the crops there is always the green card for the season.

          • Mathew Molk

            We sure put one hell of a crimp in the Ho Chi Minh trail and these dope mules are rank armatures compared to the VC and the NVA. Build the wall and turn the border partol and we can stop them cold.

          • Nonsense Mathew, I was a Marine in the far north of South Vietnam in a place called Khe Sahn. I saw the elaborate tunnels built by the Chinese and the Vietnamese. They had ventilation, lighting and there were even hospitals built underground that were as well staffed and supplied as any US hospital. All the power and might of the US military could not stop these tunnels and neither will tht ridiculous idea of a wall. BTW, those tunnels are part of the propaganda of the Vietnamese saying tht these tunnels represent the superiority of the Vietnamese over the might of the US military machine.

            I was living in a hole full of water on top of a hill exposed to their mortar, rocket and artillery while they were living in comparative luxury free from the fear of attack. That wall will be known worldwide as Trumps folly and takes the stupidity of government to a new level. As I have said many times, walls are historically built to keep people in and not people out. The reason is that people can always just find ways to ignore the wall and go over, under or around them. I, for one, learned the lesson in Vietnam. People are to clever to be stopped by a wall.

          • AKLady

            Exactly.

          • AKLady

            There will continue to be drugs smuggled into the U.S. as long as the market for them exists. Illegals do not qualify for large amounts of welfare.

          • marihia

            ABSOLUTELY

          • America has been a history breaker since its inception.. The wall will be just another example.

          • As far as people being willing to incarcerate themselves and pay for that incarceration in taxes you are correct that leftists see nothing wrong with such nonsense. We conservatives have a difficult time accepting such from a overbearing government.

          • Fear mongering. What a loser…

          • What? Walls are designed and built to lock people within. History tells us that this is a common action of tyrants.

          • I don’t see Trump as a tyrant. Not sure how you have come to that conclusion.

          • Obviously, to build that wall to incarcerate American citizens is the action of a tyrant. It reveals him to be no different than Hitler and Stalin in trying to control the actions and thoughts of those he governs. BTW, I am a history professor and I see him going down the same path as other tyrants in history. History is actually repeating itself and this reminds me of the rise of Hitler. I always questioned how Hitler could accomplish what he did and gain the support of the Germans. Watching Trump in real time doing the same things is truly intellectually fascinating for a historian like myself but at the same time frightening. I fear for our children.

          • Securing the border is the end goal. Not keeping people in. I see the biggest threat of the open border is an countless bank of illegal votes for the democrats to count.

            0bama had far more similarities to Hitler than Trump. 0bama lied to the people to get what he wanted, so did Hitler. 0bama vilified groups of people Christians as Extremists, Tea Party as Radical, and Republicans as Terrorists, hitler did the same to the Jews. I could go on.

            I don’t believe in revisionist history. I believe that America at its core is good, not evil.

          • You do not seem to be very informed politically. Obama and Trump come from the same far left liberal mold. Both are far left lifetime liberal Democrat ideologues. They are actually very close friends and it was Trump who was responsible for Obama becoming POTUS. Trump used his influence as an insider in the Democrat Party to get Obama nominated and then gave the money for Obama’s campaign. After he got Obama elected he gloatingly announced tht Obama is a “great President”. He was very proud of his accomplishment. Contrary to the Trump nonsense illegal votes are not a real problem in America.

            http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/09/watch-trump-praises-obama-and-gets-booed-by-supporters/

            http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/donald-trump-obama-paul-ryan-washington/

          • Again, Trumps ACTIONS are proving you wrong… You ignore Trumps current actions to make your statements.

            I wonder why you can’t see that?

            Your consistent anti Conservative posts make me think that you are ideologically subverted.

          • Your reading comprehension is woefully compromised to the point I feel sorry for you. I have NEVER made an anti-conservative post in my life. You are a leftist liar.

          • Your assessment of my comprehension might be correct, but leftist
            liar??? That is where you are wrong, but from where you are standing,
            perhaps just about everyone is a leftist liar… .

          • Indeed, as I am very far to the political right.

          • If you are looking to the right, everybody else is behind you.

            You might want to consider that when insulting others.

          • I have never, ever made an anti-conservative post. You are nothing more than a leftist like your Svengali Trump pretending to be a conservative Republican. God away, You are a waste of cyber ink.

          • I have just as much dislike for Obama as I do for Trump. In fact, I put the whole cabal of Trump, Soros, Hillary and Obama in the same leftist ideological dung heap. They all conspired together to get America under control by the left and keeping that control. I cannot think of any world leader since Hitler that has wanted to incarcerate their people by walling them in. Of course Stalin did the same. It seems like Trump wants to join that group of world leaders by doing the same.

            As a professor of history I am also against revisionist history. History will not be kind to this leftist Trump.

          • To ignore the good that Trump has done so far only serves to divide and insert doubt where there was once none.

            Try to think about the wall this way… How many people are running towards Mexico??? Why would you think that Trump is building the wall to keep us in? What purpose does that serve? Other than to take down Trump…

            While I do agree with you that Elite Republicans = Elite Democrats = Elite MEDIA = Communist… ( you may not agree on the Communist part)

            I also think that Big Government = Communism.

            BUT I do not think that Trump is an elite Communist… I choose to believe that he will be good to his word and give the Country back to the people as he promised.

          • He sure is plunging headlong in the wrong direction to accomplish what you claim is his goal.

          • Wrong direction?

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • kbmiller

            Stupido, that will NEVER happen.

          • worn out 123

            Haven’t seen D.T. asking for tax increases. Just the opposite. Where did you hear this, MSN, CNN? I’ll let u know how I feel when I start paying a bill for the wall. Meantime, let’s see Mexico start supporting its own.

          • Well then you have not been paying attention to his campaign. He promised to build a wall to isolate Americans from the rest of the world. That massive wall he speaks of will cost billions in tax dollars that will be raised from Americans. Then there is Trump’s promise of universal free healthcare for all Americans which will have an astronomical cost. Liberals like Trump think that money grows on trees and that people do not work for their money. To have the government take our hard earned dollars away for frivolous projects like the wall and free healthcare for all is a leftist like Trump’s fantasy and a conservatives nightmare.

          • AKLady

            There is intelligent life left on Earth.
            Thank you.

          • Your opinion is that the wall will prevent nothing. Just the threat of the wall and tougher enforcement of our sovereignty laws has done a lot.

            But those wall words will be backed up with action. Unlike most politicians, Trump is backing up his words with actions.

          • mrpoohead

            Good, he can pay for it then. His EO has nothing to enforce and he can’t make laws or policy – how’s it going to happen?

          • Nope, he is going to use Mrpoo money…

            Deal with it.

          • mrpoohead

            As I thought – you got nothing. Poor ol’ America, so poorly educated they know not how the country works. Very sad!

          • No, I would waist nothing on you… You are intellectually dishonest and I have decided that I will only post childish insults that you might understand. in response to your poo.

          • mrpoohead

            Do you need belt and braces with that waist? Childish insults is all you got, no facts and no substance – except around that waist. Ha, ha, ha!

          • Bill Meyers

            Haven’t seen to many facts in your posts.

          • mrpoohead

            Well my “history” is there, just for you – so knock yourself out.

          • mrpoohead

            Here you go to keep you going.

            America has worst social disparity and social mobility among its peers. Plus the worst healthcare and education systems. Our homicide rate is five to ten times there’s and we averaged a mass shooting per day in 2015 – W Europe et al together haven’t managed that many in the lifetime of the gun; wars excluded. Toilet of the world USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • AKLady

            Childish insults combined with illiteracy.
            Wow, I am so impressed, but not they way you would like me to be..

          • Bill Meyers

            Nobody cares wether you’d impressed or not.

          • AKLady

            The “Ugly American”
            You seem to be the model for that label.
            Thank you. You made my point very clearly.

          • Bill Meyers

            And you are the model for a liberal retard. You all sound the same. No original thought in your entire brain, just the same old liberal verbiage, over and over.

          • AKLady

            Your ignorance is simply amazing.
            The “Ugly American”
            You seem to be the model for that label.
            Thank you. You made my point very clearly.

          • Bill, it seems that it is time for a reality check for you…you are the one supporting the far left liberal Democrat ideologue Trump. That is sufficient proof tht you are a leftist Democrat as well.

          • AKLady

            Canada – US border 1,538 miles
            Canada – Alaska border 3,987 miles
            Mexico – US border 1,933 miles
            US Coastline 95,471 miles
            Alaska Coastline 6,640 miles
            Total exposure 109, 569 miles

          • AKLady

            The “wall” will cost the taxpayer money, it will prevent nothing.
            The majority of illegal aliens enter the U.S. quite legally.
            They simply stay when their visa expires.

          • Janet

            Mike, you have to remember that you will not be providing services for the people who would go across where the fence will be…that cost is more than many people make in a year because it includes housing, utilities, phones, food, medical, and some cash for living expenses. Sending many of them back will also reduce the budget for public assistance. Living in CA, I wish that the ranchers would get on their horses and heard them back across the border. Come here legally and I have no problem with anyone being here. Come in illegally and back you go. They continue to find tunnels and will have less need to be watching the actual border as there will be surveillance cameras and the wall, so more time can be searching for the tunnels and filling thim with concrete like they do. The tunnels are more the work of the Cartel and their drug runners, not illegals trying to cross the border.

          • AKLady

            How about the Native American NATIONS that cross that imaginary line?
            Are you going to deny them their right to rule their own country?

          • Bill Meyers

            Spoken like s true liberal. Your logic stumped me do I will change the subject to include native Americans.

          • AKLady

            No one changed the subject. No “logic”, just fact.

            I asked a question about countries that exist within the United States which cross the borders.

            That question applies to both the Mexican-America border and the Canada-American border.

            It took an Act of Congress in 1924 to grant members of Indian Nations U.S. citizenship.

          • What ? Would you rephrase that in English so that you can be understood?

          • It takes tens of thousands of dollars and more than 10 years to get permission to immigrate to the US legally. That means that only the rich will be able to immigrate. All we really need is immigration reform and the problem is solved without that ridiculous wall which is nothing less than a monument to American stupidity.

          • worn out 123

            Illegal immigration is down some 40%. (What wall? Heh, heh!) He may not need quite as much wall, now.

          • Mathew Molk

            Is that why the wetback invasion is down 40%? That right there represents a massive saving.

          • Mike

            thank you for that racist comnent. I can always c on you to show off the low information undereducated trump voter.

          • AKLady

            Your racist insult is an embarrassment to America.

            The slur “wetback” categorizes Mexican immigrants as unequal, without real humanity, and undeserving of true dignity. It is the language used by some whites utilize to protect their dominant position in society at the expense of ethnic minorities.

          • AKLady

            Exactly.

        • Trump is the one working towards a dependent communist/socialist utopia. He is the most far left POTUS ever elected in America.

          • Bull… more fear mongering…

          • Nonsense!

          • Janet

            Have you totally lost your mind? Hillary fits your description, not Trump.

          • Were you really not paying attention in this election? Trump ran to the left of Hillary in this election on almost all policy issues. This is to be expected from Trump’s history as a lifetime far left liberal Democrat ideologue. He has no conservative or Republican credentials. Take a look at his closest friends which are the Obama’s and it was Trump who got Obama nominated when he was the primary Democrat insider and king maker. He then funded Obama’s campaign. After getting Obama elected he called him a “great President” and remained his strongest supporter. Trump ideologically makes Hillary look like a conservative. not only is trump friends with the Obama’s but also with the Clinton’s who were the guests of honor at Trump’s last wedding. Then there is the friendship of Trump with George Soros who saved Trump from personal bankruptcy in Chicago by forgiving 312 million in Trump’s defaulted loans so that Trump would not have to go personally bankrupt and would be able to run for POTUS. He ran for POTUS and won and the quid pro quo to Soros is to have almost the entirety of his cabinet appointments former Soros managers. Trump is simply the puppet of George Soros who bought the US presidency for a little over 300 million dollars.

          • worn out 123

            He got a bargain then. Hillary paid more than twice that and got NADA. But, that was probably the fault of G.W.; or James Comey, or Obama, or the media, or Putin’s fault. Did I miss anyone?

          • Mathew Molk

            The pope

          • Ha Ha! The “dependent communist/socialist utopia,” was just voted out of office 3.5 months ago!

          • It was replaced by the most far left lifetime liberal ideologue to ever get elected to POTUS. Remember that Trump ran to the left of Hillary in the election and still won.

          • Sorry, Liberals are on the left, Conservatives are on the right, Libertarians are to the right of center and the Tea Party are to the right of Conservatives. Trump ran as a Republican because of the 2 party system. Trump is more Libertarian. Hillary was and is as far left as Obama, which is why the American voters rejected her and her no policy, scandal flawed campaign. She might not have an illness, but she sure likes to drink!

          • There is no ideological difference betweenTrump and Hillary. This was only a beauty contest where the beast was sure to win.

          • You’re right, the beast WAS supposed to win. But like I said her flawed, lying and epically expensive campaign just did not work in the Fly Over States she was supposed to win. She had no platform except that, “Trump Was Bad.” Now thanks to the VERY biased media, people like you MISTRUST the only guy in the world who has a shot at repairing the damage caused by the WORST President in American history.

          • HUH??? Did you get so indoctrinated in public school that you think that only far left liberal Democrat ideologues can function well as POTUS. I am just curious as to how you came to believe such nonsense. But. what you said would explain why America just keeps electing far left liberal icons in every Presidential election and expect the next one to be different from the last. Just one question for you…Do you know the definition of insanity? If not look it up.

          • What the hell are you talking about? The far LEFT LIBERAL WAS CLINTON! Did you notice I paired the words, LEFT and LIBERAL TOGETHER and then wrote CLINTON? As far as I am concerned PRESIDENT Trump is neither Democrat or Republican, he is more along the lines of Libertarian. Clarify your indoctrinated opinion, so I can figure out what side you believe in!

          • It seems as if you did not pay much attention to this election and the candidates involved. You certainly did not do any research. As soon as Trump announced that he was running for POTUS I started doing research on him as I knew of no Republican or conservative history of this person. I do not watch TV so I was not blinded by celebrity envy like so many nor was I influenced by his bloviating personality and demeanor. What became very clear withing just minutes was that he is and was a far left Northeast liberal lifetime Democrat ideologue. Then I looked into his associations and friendships and found his best friends to be the Clinton’s, the Obama’s and the Soros’. Also his friends consisted of despot, corrupt people like Jeffrey Epstein and found that they shared a love for very young girls which it turned out he shared this proclivity with Bill Clinton and it seemed to be their common bond.

            In my studies there was no evidence whatsoever of Trump ever being a libertarian, conservative or Republican or anything similar or comparable to being a conservative. None of his personal associations were with any conservatives or Republicans albeit he may have had some business relationships but I could not find any with anyone from the political right.

            Then came the campaign…being a priest I found that he was enthusiastically pro abortion and to the left of Hillary on this issue. He sang the praises of “Planned Parenthood” and spoke of expanding their government support and scope. He even wanted abortion to be a part of the Republican platform but the committee refused. So, he certainly was not in favor of this iconic Republican resistance to abortion. Then I looked at his positions on “gun control” and found that he had spoken out wanting a national registration of gun owners. To me, the only purpose of that would be to have a list of those owning guns so that they could be confiscated. Afterwards, I got even more curious and researched his positions on health care policy and found that he was enamored by the Canadian system of free healthcare for all and had clearly stated that universal healthcare should be the healthcare system of America with the Canadian system as the model. This was simply the precursor to socialized medicine. Certainly, none of these were or are conservative positions but from the far radical left. In fact his policy positions in the campaign were far to the left of even the consummate liberal’s Hillary and Bill.

            Next,suddenly and as if overnight, I found some of the Republican pundits switch from be skeptics of Trump to his most ardent supporters and the rhetoric from them changed. As if receiving an epiphany or whatever Rush and Hannity went from dubious cautious critics of Trump to his staunchest supporters. It was blatantly and embarrassingly obvious that they had been bought off. Around the same time, the NRA went from being a critic of Trump’s past statements on gun control into an organization supporting this anti-gun liberal and endorsed his candidacy. Glaringly, the only major political pundit on the right that was not bought off was Glenn Beck.

            Everything I could find about Trump pointed to him being a far left lifetime liberal Democrat. There was absolutely no evidence that could connect him to conservatism or the Republican party in even the most subtle way much less an illustrative way. In other words, if you were to produce a “pictionary” you would do well to have Trump’s picture with the word “liberal”. So what you are calling my “indoctrinated opinion’ is instead my studied opinion. My history is of being an unwavering far right conservative Republican. I have NEVER voted for a Democrat in my life and have never supported a lifetime or even casual Democrat to office. Trump’s supposed conservatism and Republicanism is a media created persona far from a historically or ideological supportable persona of being a lifetime far left liberal Democrat ideologue. It is a deceptive leftist media caricature of the True Donald Trump. IOW. The left has used your laziness for research and your celebrity envy to help you to deceive yourself. The only question I have in all of this subterfuge is I am curious as to how much Rush got paid to to do his flip-flop from conservative to consummate liberal. What I know now is that everyone has their price and to trust no one’s opinion. If you do not believe me then just do your own research. The evidence is very easy to find.

          • Great answer! But, depending on where GOOGLE sends you, the information you find can have it’s own bias. A great many people trust Snoops to get the “Truth,” but after just a few fact finding looks I dismissed them as not being credible.
            As I said, great answer, but….. you sure have a low opinion of anyone who is not you.

          • Thank you for the comment on my answer to you…No, I just do not trust liberals who pretend to be conservatives. I was blessed with an inquisitive mind and am not trusting of people who suddenly claim an epiphany like Trump and do a 180 degree flop. From my research there is no doubt that he is a Trojan Horse whose intent is to destroy conservatism, the Republican Party and plunge America sharply and suddenly to the left. I am fearful of the persecution of conservatives under Trump which has already started in the cyber world and is sure to spread to real communities and cause the vilification of conservatives who have not capitulated to the left to support Trump. He has the promise of becoming the American Stalin. His followers will blindly do his bidding.

          • The Republican Party has destroyed itself over the last 12 to 15 years. When was the last balanced budget? Why are there so many RINO’s in the Republican Party voting along Democratic Party lines? Why all the saber rattling against Obama, and now the same for Trump? Why are the Liberal Left Protesters, Actors, MSM and States loosing their collective minds over the 2016 election?
            Your arguments fall apart when there is not ONE Liberal Leftist in the country who doesn’t want him Impeached or Killed since November 9th, 2016! Or, since you don’t watch TV, are you not aware of the NON STOP civil disobedience, AKA, Rioting by the LEFT since the election?
            Your opinion seems very one sided. Which of the OTHER 16 Republican candidates in the primaries would have been better? And, could that candidate have defeated Clinton, or awakened the Conservative voters enough to put the MSM in the place it deserves to be….. the realm of FAKE NEWS?

          • I really do not think that there are very many Republicans voting for Democrats but instead are trying their best to vote for those that share their values and goals for America. Unfortunately the candidates running have all been to the left of the political spectrum. If you look at the Republican candidates in the last election there was only one conservative running for nomination and that was Ted Cruz and he crumbled before Donald Trump’s assaults against his wife and family and eventually became a lackey for the far left ideologue Trump. Since then he has totally capitulated to the left and abandoned conservatism. As a result, he could not be elected as dog catcher in Texas and will be reduced in the next election to being an ambulance chaser to make a living unless some Democrat gives him a job in government. People in Texas do not respect men who refuse to defend their wives and fathers even more than liberals like Trump. Remember, the king of the RINO’s was the Republican candidate and was elected.

            In this last election the only voting choices were along Democrat lines. All of the candidates for POTUS were leftists. It would be very hard to decide for any rational person which of the candidates were the furthest to the left. There simply was no choice unless one wrote in a conservative and most of them are now in hiding from the wrath of the leftist Trump. No one dare reveal themselves as a conservative now days. I cannot say for certain that there are any left besides myself. The liberals have always been out of their collective minds.

            I agree that there has been a lot of effort by the media whether left or right leaning to use the fact that both the left and the right are now led by far left liberal ideologues. We have become a one party country and more resemble the Soviet system of politics than the Democratic system we purport to be. It is now more of a beauty contest and both candidates in this election were beasts with not a beauty between them.

            Actually, any conservative candidate nominated by the Republican party could have beat Hillary and by a much wider margin than die the leftist Trump. We simply had no ideological choice in this election except between two far left liberal ideologues. Personally, I think that people should stop watching the pundits who in this election flopped around like fish out of water and had a collective love fest over these leftist candidates. Conservatives need to get serious about changing the direction of the country instead of voting and supporting only leftists for POTUS because then we are essentially a one party system with no ideological soul but the depravity of liberalism. God help America. America keeps acting insanely by electing nothing but liberal candidates and each time expecting a different result.

          • Indeed, you point out the fact that one needs to be very careful with their research and verify what they find. One has to separate the opinion from the verifiable facts. I guess being a history professor helps in my perspective and approach to research. I am always the skeptic. Their friendships and relationships is a great key. When studying the early Church history around the time of the Emperor Constantine I found how important relationships were to changing history. If it was not for the persistence of the lowly teenage Deacon Athanasius, Contantine’s friend Arius would have inspired Constantine to adopt Arianism and Christianity would have died. But at the Council convened to adopt Arianism for the Empire the lowly deacon Athanasius gave such a inspired defense of Christianity that the Emperor or Arius could not overcome the facts and logic presented by this inspired teenager. Today, Arianism remains to be alive among groups like the Iglesia ni Cristo and the Jehovah Witnesses but will never replace Christianity as God’s will and inspired truth for all who truly follow Christ. If Christianity can find a champion to inspire them then conservatism will find a champion to defeat this charlatan and Svengali Trump who lies so egregiously in thought word and deed.

          • Hence, your user name….. Iglesia ni Cristo ?

          • Well, not exactly…the Iglesia ni Cristo is an Arian group in the Philippines that actually have more members than the other Arian group more common in the US called Jehovah Witnesses. I have no affiliation with either of these groups but am a Catholic Christian rather than an Arian. It is common for me to speak out against this Arian group because their primary prey is Catholic Christians. “Cristoiglesia” is actually Latin for “Christ’s Church” which describes the origin of the Catholic Church as being directly founded by Jesus. I am a convert to the Catholic Church having been a “Moravian” Protestant which is the oldest of the Protestant sects. After serving in the Marine Corps in Vietnam (“67-“68) in the 3rd Marine Division based at Khe Sahn, I completed my education at two Protestant Seminaries…Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary Mdiv and Duke Divinity PhD (Religious Studies) a Methodist Seminary. The Moravian Seminary is in Pennsylvania and being a North Carolinian by birth I preferred to get my education in North Carolina. My first job out of Seminary was as a Bible translator for Wycliffe translating the Koine Greek New Testament into modern Aramaic. I met my wife in Saudi Arabia while doing this translation. She is a Filipina and I traveled with her to the Philippines to take a break from my translation as it was almost finished. While there I fell in love with the Philippines and the Pinoy people. I applied for a job there in the Seminary in Manila and was hired even though I was a Protestant at a Jesuit Seminary because of my Latin skills. I later also taught Early Church history and Patristics. When John Paul II was Pope he allowed married men to come into the priesthood and I took advantage of this to become a priest.

          • There is no ideological difference between the Donald and Hillary. These two sharing decades long friendship have the same political ambitions and beliefs. They are both far left lifetime liberal Democrats. Don’t believe me but do your own research and you will find that they are each the polar opposites of conservatives. What I believe in is simply conservative values and ideology. That should be obvious since I oppose leftists like the Donald and Hillary so voraciously.

          • worn out 123

            Ridiculous! We were the borderless, drifting, welfare state under socialist/communist Obama administration. Anyone who purports to ignore a Russian Ambassador after he visited the WH. 22 times under Obama and is on a first name basis with several democrat congressmen and women, is STUPID. Since you would suggest this; if the hat fits wear it.

        • AKLady

          Grow up.
          You are both ignorant and childish.

      • You are 100% correct. Trump’s entire presidency is about getting the American populace dependent on government for everything. IOW the leftist dream is being perpetrated by Trump and most conservatives are blinded by his celebrity status. It is all about the control of the average American by getting them totally dependent on government. Trump is dreaming of a socialist utopia as do all leftists like Trump.

      • Fear monger. The wall will pay for itself.

        • You cannot be that ignorant or deceived by this charlatan Trump.

          • Mike

            No he truly can be. The ability of the Trump sheeple to ignore facts is truly unprecedented.

          • Donna Costa

            Blow it out your ass!!

          • Mike

            as always the insults come from the Sheeple. this shows the weakness of their argument.

          • worn out 123

            Well, one sure way for socialists to win an election is to have two socialists run against one another. Right?

          • Mathew Molk

            It’s in the best seller book about voting for the Marxists that claim to be democrats.

          • Mathew Molk

            Stock Market up
            Illegals coming into teh country down.
            Businesses not leaving, and in fact are coming back from overseas.

            Hows that for the start of an argument snowflake?

          • worn out 123

            Wow! Take it easy, Lady! You’ll have a stroke.

          • Bill Meyers

            Not at all you liberals followed obama without thought. It was like he was playing the magic flute and you liberals followed him anywhere.

          • kbmiller

            You Lib TURDS are BRTAINDEAD

          • I do not know Mike but from his posts he appears to be far from being a leftist. At least he does not support Trump as most of the leftist today practice.

          • Mathew Molk

            More unadulterated bullshit from a NWO Marxist useful idiot.

            Don’t you get it. You assholes lost,,,big time.

          • Mike

            yes congratulations you were able to elect a conman who is only concerned about himself and his billionaire friends.

          • That is woefully apparent. Most of them are of low IQ and poorly educated. I truly feel sorry for them allowing themselves to be deceived in this way. Many claim to be lacking the skill to do research on the internet. It is my experience that many of them have compromised IQ’s. I actually feel sorry for many of them who do not have the ability to understand the differences in ideologies. Some have been so uninformed that they think that Trump shares their conservative ideology and has not been a far left liberal Democrat ideologue in the recent past.

          • Indeed, it is as if they do not want the truth but seek out nonsense to support their fantasies about this far left liberal Democrat Trump.

          • bjpurg

            You germansmith are the ones who has been ignorant AND deceived for the last eight years snowflake!

          • Bill Meyers

            No he isn’t but it appears you are that ignorant. Be real, these aren’t your thoughts and ideas they are the party line.

          • What are you ranting about? I have always been a far right conservative ideologue. I am the exact opposite of the leftist Trump who ran to the left of Hillary in this election. My party, the Republican Party is now having to face the fact that the Republican party is led by the most far left liberal POTUS in history. We conservatives will fight him in every way we can. We will not give up our party or our conservatism to capitulate to the left as you have obviously done along with people like Ted Cruz. You can steal my party but never my thoughts or allegiances.

          • worn out 123

            Bravo!

          • Mathew Molk

            That’s what useful idiots do, isn’t it?

          • worn out 123

            No tax increase.

          • I hope you are not being serious. Building the wall will result in a tremendous tax increase. As my mother used to say, “money does not grow on trees” and no one is going to build that ridiculous wall for free. When you add the cost of free heath care promised by Trump some have said that taxes may increase as much s 60%.

          • You make me laugh, You of all people calling someone ignorant.

            Coming from someone that was deceived by the charlatan 0bama…

          • HUH? I am a lifetime conservative Republican and have no love or respect for leftists like Obama, the Clinton’s, the Soros’ or the Trumps. They are all of the same leftist cabal. As a conservative I have no dog in this fight.

          • I guess I am that ignorant then. Just thought you were another liberal starting out with insults. So I reacted in kind.

            Trump has kept his word and has done far more for America in 50 days than the last one did in eight years.

            Why the hate? Why do you fear Trump?

          • Well I certainly do not hate Trump but feel about him the same I do about all leftists. Trump is a special kind of leftist pretending to be a Republican and a conservative after a lifetime being a far left liberal Democrat ideologue. He campaigned as a leftist but called himself a Republican conservative and that did not invoke trust on my part.

            So, I decided to study Trump’s history in depth. What I found was a rather transparent attempt at deceit in getting people to believe that he has changed from the leftist he was to a Republican conservative but he acted like a leftist pretending to be a caricature of a conservative and that was not really convincing to a conservative like myself. I am actually praying that he will not keep his word and continue being the charlatan he has been his entire despotic life. I dislike him for his deceit against those who believe him and trust him and are so deceived by his celebrity status that they will believe any ridiculous thing he says or does. Most of his supporters have done no research on him and do not know that his entire history is of being a far left liberal Democrat ideologue and Democrat insider and king maker. He gloated for getting Obama nominated to run for POTUS and bragged that it was his money that got Obama elected. He then very proudly called Obama a “Great President”. I disagree with almost everything that Trump says and does. He is a totally despicable human being. I pray every day that he does not turn the country to the political left as he promises with word and action. If I was a leftist Democrat I would love Trump but as a conservative Republican that I am…not so much.

          • I do not believe your analysis, as Trumps words and actions do not support it. I do know others that hold your point of view. I don’t understand them either.

            The way I look at it, there is a 50/50 shot at Trump being what you say he is. And if he is, we are scr3wed.

            There was a 10,000% chance of losing the Republic to communism if Hillary got in office. I understand odds, and there really wasn’t a choice.

            At this point your rhetoric only serves to divide Conservatives, which is ALWAYS a win for the left.

            The past is past, God forgives, so…. I am giving Trump the benefit of doubt, until his ACTIONS do not correlate with his words. Everybody is watching him.

            Many high profile people started out as leftists but “found the light.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiVQ8vrGA_8

            As a conservative Republican, you have endured far worse than Trump. Just don’t get it. And I don’t understand as a Conservative Republican you can find anything wrong with his acceptance or inauguration speeches. Both put the elites on notice. Unless you are an elite.

          • I might agree that many of his “words” do not match his ideology but his “actions” always do. He has no problem prevaricating to get what he wants. In that way he is like a spoiled leftist child. The fact that he has been a far left liberal Democrat Ideologue his whole life before becoming POTUS makes his words and actions suspect. He really relates very poorly to lifetime conservative Republicans like myself. I just do not trust his sudden change and becoming a Republican candidate after a lifetime as a Leftist Democrat of the worse kind. As far as percentages go I would give him no more than a 10% chance of now capitulating to the right and being a conservative Republican. Trump is actually a bigger threat than Hillary would have ever been.

            It is Trump’s rhetoric that is divisive and not mine. I just recognize the result of his rhetoric because of my firm lifetime of being a far right Republican. Republicans are better off divided when threatened by a pretender like Trump. Trump remains the leftist he has always been.

          • Prevaricating… What a wonderful word… Kudos.

            I agree Trump must be watched closely. In the beginning I viewed Trump exactly the way you do right now. I was convinced Trump was a Trojan horse.Trumps ability to prevaricate troubled me, because 0bama was the master of prevaricating and 0s words always turned out to be lies..

            It could be Trump started out as a Trojan Horse, but I believe the election process changed him. He even said so himself. I recall a speech where Trump said that this may be the only way he can get to heaven. He talked about it being a movement.

            God works in mysterious ways. Imagine how many times God has been faced with the last second prayers of life long atheist of “God, please forgive me.”

            My point is, people change. Trump is a person, and right now, we have got to place our trust in God as He is in control. God has the wisdom to know if Trump’s heart has changed.

            What we have to do is make sure the power and corrosive nature of the cesspool in DC doesn’t derail our MOVEMENT.

          • Yes, we must know our friends as conservatives but even more importantly we must recognize our enemies. Liberalism and leftists are our enemies. They have co-opted our party and it is hard to know who to trust with the enemies within our gates.There is no one to defend us from the Trojan Horse candidate Trump whose goal is to destroy conservatism and the Republican party from within. WE must be individually vigilant.

          • Agreed, I have become so cynical in the last eight years that I hardly recognize myself. I quite often do not recognize my enemies, and trust is something of the past… Very sad.

            We must stay diligent and constantly check the shadows. The enemy is within.

            https://www.madashellboycott.com/happening-america-part-1/

            I would love your opinion on this.

          • I do not have time now to give it the attention it deserves but I will try to get back to you about it when I get a chance.

          • Thank you. God Bless

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • Did yu forget that Trump is POTUS now?

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            Worst Failed incompetent disgraceful low life X Presidenbr evaaaaaa!!
            8 years of lies and corruption~~~~ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/17703b5e1ce479403120192034c5ab45142279ba18e2a8fe0409f6c6affc94e7.jpg

          • I am quite confident that Trump will well surpass Obama as the worst POTUS ever.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            You ever feel stupid? Democrackheaded? Hateful and liberal….

            Hey loser it aint workin

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f61c28f4090c70a5b4b5314b18c2383c066bccb929e48fc3fe2cf1c0b281275c.jpg

          • It is you that is supporting the most far left liberal to ever become POTUS and not I. The Donald and the Clinton’s are the best of friends and that friendship is sealed by their common leftist ideology. In actuality, Trump is to the left of the Clinton’s ideologically and will govern as the leftist he has always been. Do yourself a favor and research his political history. As of now your ignorance of Trump’s past is making you look like an idiot.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            Your an idiot look at your low energy Liberal posts pathetic I dont blame you I blame whoever raised your ignorant ass you need help!!!!!

            Now go protest and spread you’re liberal hate!!!!!!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/76ec66c853be353a39f9eee200fc97a5c3a7028c56c42eabf1cc9e7f92d838b4.png

          • I am a lifetime far right conservative Republican you idiot. Reality check for you and your ignorance. Trump is a lifetime far left liberal Democrat ideologue and the best friends of the Clinton’s. Trump has no conservative history at all but has been consistently on the left. If you support Trump that illustrates that it is you whom is the leftist Democrat scum. You are the poster child for ignorance being bliss.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            thank you America we got a great PRESIDENT DONALD J TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS TRUMP WE WON THE Liberal thugs are angry, hateful and ignorant!!! Once a liberal loser always one ha ha ha ha https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f4ee92a6ca7cad98d865c6a776784c64910ae2fe49ef9e528e52011619f86d8.jpg

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
          • I have enough problems to deal with in my own party without worrying about how Obama is deceiving people in his. I have no idea what you are ranting about me being deceived by Obama. I could not care less about Obama and have enough to worry about with those of my own party capitulating to the far left lifetime liberal Democrat Trump. Insanity has taken over the politics of America. People are mesmerized by the celebrity of Trump and ignore his ideological history. This election is proof tht the dumbing down of America is complete by the left. We conservatives will have to hunker down to rise again and resurrect our party from the ashes of destruction done by this charlatan and Trojan Horse POTUS Trump.

          • I don’t deal with hypocrites and liars well.

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!
      • kbmiller

        Do you lock your doors at night or when you go out, behind you? WHY? Tell Mexico and Guatemala, etc. that we’re going to empty our prisons or their convicted criminals and send them back. If they don’t take them, no foreign aid. If they come back, life sentences at military prisons and put on hard labor. The $ saved there and on the free health care, housing, medical care for Americans addicted to the illegal drugs coming through etc. will pay for the wall. It’s time for Tough Love, like a parent finally saying “NO” to a spoiled child.

      • Germansmith…. The cost of ILLEGAL Immigration, to the USA is around $113 MILLION a year to the Feds and State government in 2013 figures. More $$$$ now since we haven’t had a border the past 4 years. http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers So with the wall, the 40% decrease in ILLEGAL immigration since Trump was elected, and getting rid of the CRIMINAL element of the illegals that $23 billion dollar wall will have a very positive return on investment. Give or take some tears!

    • Obie Miller

      You said it exactly right, MAHBOO1!

    • troy t elliott

      repeal obamacare now, talk later, stop that force rape on the people of the freedom of the USA

    • AKLady

      No, talk was tried and failed.
      The majority of the border is already closed.
      Walls are usually built to keep people in, not outside of countries.
      You might want to deal with history and reality.

    • marihia

      NO LET IT DIE ON IT’S OWN FIRST AND NO ONE CAN BLAME THE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • They will anyway. Republicans are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.

        Time to start doing something…

    • AKLady

      Yes, actually, a team of doctors decide what will be used to repair the surgery and cancer damaged tissue. The replacement is often an integral part of the recovery period that begins before a person leaves the hospital.

      • So now you are a Dr.? While there might be surgeries that teams of Drs. discuss the replacement of a hip, knee, your brain, with something better…

        For the most part, when you are talking about Cancer, they say rip the crap out of there…

        I am sorry your brain surgery was such an abject failure. Perhaps the next lobotomy will solve your problems. It did for Jack Nichols in that movie.

        • AKLady

          In fact, I am a doctor, a retired surgeon.

          M.D. Uniformed Services University of Health Sciences
          MBA, Cardinal Stritch College, Wisconsin.
          CEU – U.S.D.A. Graduate School.
          CEU – University of South Carolina, School of Medicine
          CEU – University o Wisconsin

          • So if you were honest, you would confirm that I am right about removing Cancer.

            Interesting, just how far you have compromised your soul.

          • AKLady

            Except you are wrong.
            Interesting just how many lies you post ever day
            It is also interesting how many insults you post every day..

          • You earn your insults lady.

            Interesting how you can never prove me wrong and yet call me a liar…. You are an evil one.

            So all you can do is split hairs and parse words.

            Drs. DO NOT discuss what they are going to replace the Cancer with, before they remove the cancer. They REMOVE THE CANCER. (If they can)

            Sure they have a team of Drs. there to REPAIR the Surgery and fix any damaged, non cancerous tissue. BUT THEY ARE NOT REPLACING THE CANCER….

            READ my comment and try to comprehend.

            I am sure there are plenty of HONEST drs. out there that can corroborate my statement. You are not one of them.

            You might have Dr. before your name, how is it that I know more about surgery than you do..

          • AKLady

            No, you just think you know more about surgery.
            Interesting just how many lies you post ever day
            It is also interesting how many insults you post every day..

          • Wrong again, oh Dr. of word parsing.

            I just know I am right AND NOT A LIAR when I say that a Dr. does not consider what she/he is going to replace the Cancer with before he removes the Cancer.

            Again, you EARN the insults. Still can’t admit you are wrong. eh… I would say falsely accusing someone of lying is the epitome of insults…. You are a hypocrite as well.

          • AKLady

            You just think you know more about surgery.
            Interesting just how many lies you post ever day
            It is also interesting how many insults you post every day..

          • You are sick Dr Evil.

          • AKLady

            You become more boring with every post.
            Try for some originality.

          • So what entertains Dr. Evil?

            Sacrificing babies perhaps? I am not in favor of that.
            Sick, sick, sick.

          • AKLady

            You become more boring with every post.
            Try for some originality.

          • Dr Evil, boring is repeating yourself…. How many times have you posted the above to me??? Three times now?

    • Do not be so anxious to incarcerate yourself. Displace emotion with reason through knowledge. That is the path to inner peace. I pray you and others have not been deceived by Trump’s call for universal healthcare based on the Canadian system. That has been a fiasco in Canada and will also be here in America. Americans must control Trump’s leftist tendencies on policy. Do not encourage him by supporting his leftist nonsense.

    • Libertarian Soldier

      You can blame the leftist in the White House. Before June, 2015 and even since, it was always repeal. This campaign and the guy that has been saying for a decade that Canada’s and Scotland’s healthcare system is what America should have (single payer), has turned the attention to this whole “replace” focus. This president believe that it is the responsibility of the taxpayers to provide healthcare to every person in the country.

      You have to hold your representatives accountable; they must remove the socialistic policies from the agenda.

      You’re right about just repealing the (un)Affordable Care(less) Act (fraud), period. If the democrats insist on healthcare for the masses, hold a bake sale!

      • Very informative, thank you.

        I agree, normally I tend to take responsibility and not point fingers, but this health careless fraud is entirely on the lefts shoulders.

        They created it, they need to own it.

  • GODBlessRealAmerica!
  • kate777

    Repeal The Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare). Mandates for every U.S. citizen to carry Health Care Insurance needs to Repealed. Each American citizen (or parents, guardians, etc.) can determine for Themselves whether or not they wish to purchase Healthcare Insurance as We had prior to 2009/2010. The Affordable Care Act is a monstrosity from the beginning to hopefully the end as its cost was never affordable to anyone, and certainly not to the American tax payer. The Democrats wanted Socialism and so they built it into Obamacare without knowing the Cost it would put on every individual in America, nor did they care. Socialism is and was all they were after, not concern for the American people as they still don’t care about the American people as they fight tooth and nail over Anything President Trump does or intends to do, and that includes Democrat B. Obama in attempting to disrupt the Trump Administration.

    • Janeway

      American adult citizens should be allowed the individual freedom to choose whether or not to be insured. Making health insurance affordable is what is paramount. Mandating health
      insurance assumes Big Government knows what’s best for us and must make our personal
      life decisions. This is part of what is so wrong about socialism. The brainwashed Left just
      will not understand the concept of individual liberty; it’s all about collectivism. What are
      we — an ant farm?

      • kate777

        Apparently the last 8 years B. Obama and his Administration as well as the Democrats in Congress have treated US citizens as an ant farm.

  • gotabgood

    Repealing Obamacare would leave ‘millions’ uninsured

    Nonpartisan report projects that 52 million people will be
    uninsured by 2026 if Republican bill becomes law.

    Fourteen million Americans would lose coverage next year under a Republican
    plan to dismantle Obamacare, according to a government agency tasked with
    performing cost-benefit analyses of proposals.

    The report by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), released on
    Monday, dealt a potential setback to President Donald Trump’s first major
    legislative initiative.

    The CBO projected that 52 million people would be uninsured by 2026 if the
    bill became law, compared with 28 million who would not have coverage that year
    if the law remained unchanged.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/obamacare-millions-uninsured-170313221844177.html

    >

    Trump’s Backing a Healthcare Plan That Breaks His Promises

    The Republican plan would cover more
    people, reduce their premiums and costs, avoid cutting Medicaid,
    and
    leave no one worse off than under the former president’s signature achievement.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-s-backing-healthcare-plan-breaks-his-promises-n733031?cid=public-rss_20170314

    >

    (People have tell-tale signs when they lie. Ryan smiles.
    Two segments with Tucker interviewing Ryan.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhrC7LxpP14

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Oq6TdV2HU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBQAWwcJhXE

    Here is a “smart guy” explaining why people will lose their
    healthcare..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-TxsUDmFao

    • SouthernPatriot

      How many uninsured were those who chose to leave the government health plan, enter the work force, either go without insurance or chose an employee or group plan offered by their employee?

  • Liberty’s Advocate

    Here’s why the AHCA (Republican Plan) makes more sense than the ACA (ObamaCare) – that is if you value your freedom and individual liberty as much as your Life. The soul of freedom is what Jefferson et al described in the Declaration as our basic Human Rights – ” … Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”. Your good health and its care are the essence of your Life. Under this premise of individual freedom, accepting personal responsibility is hand-in-glove with the freedom you were given and neither Man nor the governments he establishes have any power over those Natural, Human Rights listed in the Declaration – or over any other Act of God.

    All of our Rights are individual Rights given to us as INDIVIDUALS at the moment of our INDIVIDUAL creation. by our Creator. Their gift to us was literally an Act of God. They exist in us because WE exist, and we have NOTHING if we do not have the Right to control our own LIVES and destinies. Making one’s own decisions, accepting responsibility for those choices and living with the consequences of the choices one makes is what freedom is all about.

    The ACA takes away that control by forcing the people to purchase Health “Insurance” from what will eventually be the only provider (Single Payer) … the government. Groups of bureaucrats will then have the power under the ACA to determine whether treating you, at your attained age, is cost effective or if you should be denied coverage and given End of Life counseling instead (the Death Panels you’ve heard about). The government mandate FORCES you to accept the ACA, or pay a stiff penalty for choosing not to purchase it. The ACA also makes a claim on the Lives of others (their earnings through taxes and penalties) to pay for coverage for those who cannot afford to purchase their own.

    The AHCA returns the option of choice (whether to buy Health coverage or not, and what company you choose to supply your coverage) to the PEOPLE – individual citizens. When you give up your Right to make those decisions you give up control of your Life. The ACA was a dastardly, evil attempt by government to wrest control of our Lives away from us. Thanks to the stupidity of the American people – and the stupidity of those they elected to govern them – the government almost got away with it.

    .

    • 83ragtop50

      You make a good argument. If Obamcare’s only tenant was to force us to purchase insurance then it would be a no brainer to just return the decision to you and me. But Obamcare goes much further, like a cancerous growth that has spread to all parts of the body and soul of health care victim. Health insurance was just the Trojan horse to sell to the public. It needs to be killed off in its entirety once and for all. That is what the GOP was given control to do. Nothing less.

      • tinker1

        BOOM!

      • Liberty’s Advocate

        Missed your comment earlier and I agree totally with your conception of the GOP mandate. I replied blow similarly so allow me to copy and paste that answer.

        “The major roadblock to common sense reform is that the ACA (courtesy exclusively of the Democrats) has caused many Health insurance Companies to stop selling their products, with many folding up the Health Care divisions entirely. Encouraging the return of those companies by simply expanding the appeal and use of HSA’s (Health Savings Accounts) would be the simplest way to accomplish a smooth transition to private sector control of Health Care, with minor legislative changes (Intra-state portability, making the HSA’s tax deductible (pre-tax dollars deposited), give the individual Estate Rights for the accounts so that their heirs can inherit them as property, maximum dollar amount contributions per person covered, etc. The government needs to get the hell out of the Health Care business and provide incentives for the people to buy their own ONLY.”

        It might really be that simple to return control to the people, but convincing Insurance Companies who bailed because no actuarial studies were done to determine the affordability of the “Affordable Care act” when coverage of preexisting conditions was mandated, is the problem. Back when parents were expected to cover their children from birth so that their insurability was guaranteed for life, was a point I used to sell policies. Unfortunately, our government and government-run schools have killed the concept of individual, personal responsibility and this is one of the unforeseen (???) circumstances that has resulted.

        • 83ragtop50

          Thank you for a thoughtful and informed explanation. I am in agreement with your analysis. To expound a little more…. No one said the transition out of Obamacare would be easy. A well crafted subplot of that animal was to make it VERY difficult to unwind. Having personal responsibility can be challenging even to those of us desiring same. The GOP needs to bite the bullet now and do it. Otherwise there will no longer be a bullet to bite.

    • TheSkalawag929

      Yeah that personal freedom and liberty are all good when life is a bowl of cherries. But I bet like any other person you’re looking for some help when life severs you a bowl of pits.

      There may not be a specific mandate as in the Affordable Care Act (or Obamacare), where individuals are required to obtain health insurance or face a fine, which scales based on income.
      But there is a strongly implied mandate in the penalty for not having insurance under the Republican-backed American Health Care Act (AHCA), Yes you can go without health insurance. But once you try to get insurance again after 63 days of no insurance, you have to pay a 30 percent higher premium for a year.
      Which one do you think is a better deal?

      • John Somers

        Personally, I would pay the higher premium. You get what you pay for. With the new plan you CAN get insurance wherever you choose and that means across State lines if it’s cheaper and you’re still covered.

        • Mike

          Actually no it does not. the current bill Does Not have this provision. the Republicans are aware that this bill would not pass in the Senate and if that was included in the bill it would be considered new legislation and would require 60 votes to pass in the Senate. As it is written the bill is considered a budget bill and can be passed by a simple majority. this is another example of broken promises by the Republicans. Please educate yourself on the bill because what it really does is hurt the poor, elderly (before Medicare eligible) and middle class in this country in order to give a huge tax break for the rich.

          • SD of AZ

            Right but linda has the right idea. This will be a work in progress and we all must pay attention. The rules for insurance companies have to change as well. This turf war is as inconvenient as the one between the federal law enforcement and the local law enforcement and as usual it was the horrid admin of BO that brought all of this to light for the bulk of legal constituents. Guess that is one thing BO did well, he highlighted and used the cracks in our laws. Now it is time to fix that so no other POS uses them against the country and the legal constituents.

        • TheSkalawag929

          In the case of the republican plan higher premiums don’t necessarily translate to a better policy. You may end up paying more and getting less.
          As a matter of fact I would say that that would be the guaranteed outcome.

          • SD of AZ

            I still think the people need to insist the congress use what they vote in, both parties and then add the rinos and independents to that demand. Once they are stuck with this for themselves I would bet it gets fixed!

      • jimmy midnight

        I think they’re comparably bad, and bet U do, 2. A tax-supported single-payer system is the only sensible way 2 cover health care. USA already has it 4 the poor (Medicaid) and the elderly (Medicare)

        These D and R plans are half-ass attempts to deal with the situation. The D plan would, with luck, evolve into single payer, the R plan is designed 2 make that impossible.

        • TheSkalawag929

          I agree with single payer.
          The D plan does save part of your ass but the republican plan sacrifices ALL of your ass if you’re not in the top percentile.

          • jimmy midnight

            Quite right, half ass, like I said. 🙂

          • Elizabeth Raynor Short

            How about responsibility for your own ass? You are not my responsibility.

          • TheSkalawag929

            “How about responsibility for your own ass?”
            How about your justification for your false assumption that I am not responsible for my own ass?
            “You are not my responsibility.”
            Nor are you mine.

        • Elizabeth Raynor Short

          I bet you love alinsky, clovern and piven, political correctness, movements to normalization degenerate sexual perversions and lifestyles. Right?

          • jimmy midnight

            Well…yeah, and that’s relevant here because…?

          • SD of AZ

            Because it shows your leanings leftie!

          • jimmy midnight

            Not ashamed of being on the left. R U ashamed of being conservative? Didn’t think so.

          • Elizabeth Raynor Short

            Because it is purposely irrational. It leads to the overthrow the of the USG and the Constitution which guarantees rights to each individual. Individual rights are God-given, but can nnot recognized by man. The road you are traveling is designed i to replace that with a tyranny – what you may do, think, eat, buy, who you may do it with, where – or if- you go to school – everything comes from the top. Every tier of society is embedded with spies. You can’t trust anyone – even your best friend or your children. If you don’t believe me read about the ideas and what they intend in the end. Look at history – USSR, Nazi (National Socialist Workers Party) Germany, look at Venezuela. Is that what what you want? A place where if you start screaming about your ‘rights” you are disappeared. Due process? Ha! Ha! Read, think about it.

          • jimmy midnight

            What I want, is more or less what Canada and Denmark have–democratic socialism.

            Like the old song says, “Democracy is coming 2 the USA.”

          • Mt Native

            Then move to one or the other!

          • Elizabeth Raynor Short

            This is a Constitutional Republic. We elect representatives to act in our places. The majority rules, but the minority has rights. See Constitution. In a democracy, “the people” are directly the government. They vote on everything. There are no minority rights. It is mob rule. No, thanks. Last time it was tried was Athens, Greece, more than 2,000 years ago. Failed. And there’s no such thing as “democratic socialism”. It’s an oxymoron. It’s another psyop on non-critically thinking people. It sounds so good. Yeah, I’ll be part of a movement for that! If it’s successful, you will find when the curtain is pulled back it’s socialism/communism=tyranny. That’s how it works. USA is not Canada or Denmark (and how’s that socialism working out since they are awash in people who take but don’t contribute?) Understand and participate in the American system of government and it is a beautiful thing.
            You can live in liberty and freedom. It’s true. Don’t depend on govt. Depend on yourself. Personal responsibility. You and your family, friends and neighbors look out for and help each other. but everyone takes care of himself in a responsible manner. Pick your friends carefully. Make sure they are responsible. The song you to which you refer is another psyop. Peace.

          • SD of AZ

            I was thinking the same, this was so obviously a Dem wit dem thought! Repeal it all and then focus on the inbetweens. The destitute and the old still had their safety nets. Now put in one for the inbetweens and let the government get out of the insurance business. And it is time for the congress to get what they vote for the public! Once that happens they might fix things much better!

        • Mt Native

          I don’t know about Medicaid but I do know that Medicare is NOT a single payer system. With Medicare you have a choice of insurance companies to go with. You make your choice based on your needs, what the insurance company offers and what the cost is. So nice try!

          • jimmy midnight

            A lack of ambition is responsible 4 my not clarifying that it’s only about 80% single-payer, AND that you’d pretty much have 2 B nuts not 2 buy a “medicare supplement” plan from your friendly local greed-head insurer, given today’s American realities.

            So I apologize 4 handing U a (piccky-ass BS) talking point.

      • Germansmith

        Well
        You go around fat and happy without paying for health insurance and THEN, you get sick and foresee health bills for thousands of dollars monthly…..so yes
        You buy your policy, pay the extra 30% and you still get a GREAT DEAL because your claims are far more expensive, you never contributed to the insurance pool and the rest of policy holders will pay for your claims (in the form of higher premiums) or taxpayers (in the form of guarantees for stop loss policies for insurers).
        To me (yes, I am an insurance broker) this is the equivalent of buying house insurance when your house is burning).
        Personally, if a person gets sick and had decided to go without health insurance, it should be UNINSURABLE

        Of course, none of this takes into consideration the many millions of people that can not afford health insurance (believe me it cost more than a F…..g I-Phone) and the rest of us will still have to pay for their emergency room care

        • TheSkalawag929

          Not being an insurance broker, is it possible to “buy house insurance when your house is burning”?
          I would think not.
          So on those grounds your scenario seems unlikely to me because I assume that insurance companies have “inoculated” themselves in some way to prevent such a thing from happening.
          I do agree with your conclusion. The rest of us will still have to pay for their care.

      • Mathew Molk

        I have been down and out as anybody ever was. I never begged for any of your precious ‘free stuff’ bloody but unbowed, snowflake. And I got back by myself. – Nothing remarkable for a good part of my generation and my parents’ but the snowflakes of tofday would have shit themselves just thinking about it. They are all about free stuff

        • TheSkalawag929

          I’m glad for you.
          It’s a shame though that NOBODY extended you a helping hand. But as you pointed out you didn’t need anyone’s help.

      • Liberty’s Advocate

        I don’t think either of them are a good “deal”

        • TheSkalawag929

          It is being a part of a society that levies taxes on you.
          You may rant and rave all you want but in the end whether you like it or not you will be paying for the health care of others one way or another.
          Who should get out of the health care industry is insurance companies.
          To be eligible to open an Health Savings Account you must have a special type of health insurance called a high-deductible plan. and that means Health Savings Accounts are not for everyone.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            I am well aware of what is necessary to make a society function. Taxes are an integral part, but viewing my position as ‘ranting and raving’ brands you as a rather shallow thinker in my book because your understanding of the level of taxation is myopic and disconnected from the point I was making. This is typical of those with a bias toward socialism instead of an understanding of what constitutes freedom.

            Consider this one fact in your assessment of which is more efficient: Of every dollar ($1.00) collected in taxes and used for the implementation of policies, regulations, laws or programs put in place by the federal government, seventy-two cents ($0.72) is consumed by the bureaucracy BEFORE it gets to its intended purpose (source: Citizens Against Government Waste – CAGW). Government mismanagement in the form of waste, fraud and abuse is the major cause of failure of government programs.

            Social Security’s instability is a good example. The SSI Trust Fund was raided by LBJ’s administration to fund the Viet Nam War, and ever since ALL CONTRIBUTIONS TO SSI go directly into the General Fund with I.O.U.’s being put in their place in the “Trust Fund”. If that happened in the private sector, all involved would be put in jail like Bernie Maddoff – and for the same reason!!! Why would ANYONE trust the government to manage a program like Health Care which is so critical to their well-being and longevity? One would have to be insane.

            I KNOW that High Deductible plans are central to HSA’s, but to assume everyone can’t afford them is a Red Herring. By their design, the amount of the deductible (the level at which coverage kicks in) is up to the individual to decide his OWN level of affordability. Premiums for that Major Medical policy are paid with funds in the HSA, which are pre-tax dollars contributed by the person covered. YOU are advocating that general taxation revenues be used as permanent subsidies for people to PAY their penalties or premiums but, using the fact above, in order to subsidize payment of the $2500 penalty, $8929.00 in tax revenue would have to be put into the system – with 72% of it eaten up by the bureaucracy before the penalty was subsidized. And that’s assuming the bureaucracy of the ACA would be only as inefficient as the REST of the federal government – an unknown.

            The HSA’s funds would ALSO be used by the individual to cover MINOR medical expenses (office calls, lab fees, prescriptions, minor surgeries, etc.) up to the amount of the predetermined deductible, where the major medical Policy would take over. All of these expenses would be tax deductible and in the control of the individual – instead of the ObamaCare “One-size-fits-all” approach to health care which NEVER WORKS.

            We must chop off the head of this snake (ACA) by re-establishing control of the people, and a Free Market-based solution that encourages competition. Only then will the people be able to apply the pressure that brings down prices.

          • TheSkalawag929

            “viewing my position as ‘ranting and raving’ brands you as a rather shallow thinker”
            My perception of you is just as valid as yours is of me and you know nothing about my degree of understanding of taxation.
            It’s funny how you guys always throw out socialism or some “ism” in order to validate your claims.
            The major cause of failure of government and its programs is republicans putting people, elected or appointed who hate government or are incompetent, in charge. I wouldn’t hire someone to do a job that I know hates the job I want them to do.
            No matter how much you wish it to be otherwise, government and the private sector are not interchangeable. They are different beasts and therefore must be administered differently.
            The insanity lies in expecting profit motivated entities (insurance companies) to look out for the welfare of the people over profits.
            I have no doubt that Health Savings Accounts are good for some and by all means they should make use of them. But Health Savings Accounts are not for all.
            Why is it a red herring to assume people can’t afford high deductible insurance plans and Health Savings Accounts? There are those who purchase high deductible plans simply because that is their best option and they do so hoping that they don’t get sick. Kind of like buying car or home owner’s insurance. You buy it and pray that you don’r have to use it.

            If I were advocating for general taxation revenues to be used it would be in conjunction with some form of universal single payer coverage.

            “re-establishing control of the people,”
            What is your meaning here? How do you want to “control the people”? One would think that it would be insurance companies that needed to be controlled.

            I have nothing against Health Savings Accounts. If it fits you wear it.

            I do not think that placing my health care options in the hands of a .Free Market-based environment is in anyone’s best interest but the insurance industry.

            In my opinion the only way “the people” will be able to apply any meaningful pressure is if they have the weight of government behind them. Otherwise they will continue to be ignored.

          • Liberty’s Advocate

            Wow!! How can anyone who writes so well, be so unaware of his personal slant and know so little? When I described you as a shallow thinker, that could have been slightly off the mark. You are more accurately focused on the wrong things and have your wires crossed on others. Like it or not, your socialistic predilections speak so loudly through what you think, what you write and the approach you take toward understanding that your objection to the use of “ism’s” has all the power of a fizzled firecracker.

            I had to laugh reading your response when you followed that objection with a Glittering Generalization about Republicans hating the job they were elected to do. Liberals always view Republicans through a lens made opaque by constant media bombardment with false narratives. You’ve had a steady diet of that for the past 40 years and, rather than using your Critical Thinking skills analytically to discern truth, you relish in the comfort of being spoon-fed that pablum.

            You assume I am a Republican yet you assume I don’t understand that the private sector and government are “different beasts”, ” not interchangeable” and “administered differently”? It’s the OBAMA administration that got that wrong with their huge General Motors buy out and restructuring at taxpayer expense, turning ownership over to the unions. Government control of private industry is FASCISM by definition, but where was YOUR objection then?

            “The insanity lies in expecting profit motivated entities (insurance companies) to look out for the welfare of the people over profits.” Your antagonism toward being motivated by profit shouts loudly, “SOCIALISM!!” Socialism is antithetical to Free enterprise (break that down by definition); the two cannot co-exist in pure form because a constant struggle for domination of the economic picture ensues.

            I favor Free Enterprise, with its freedom to innovate, to explore new ideas, new concepts, blend disciplines in search of a solution to problems and the rewards success confers on individuals who do so. In the journey to that success, many others are made successful financially along the way (you can’t do it alone) and thousands – sometimes hundreds of thousands – of jobs are created which share in the wealth creation. Sacrifices of time away from family are made, risks of capital are taken and success is never guaranteed. But for those who dream, dare to try and persevere, the rewards are great. This is selfishness – wanting something and being willing to pay the price for it. Free Enterprise is the embodiment of the concept of ” … Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” which are the basic Natural (Human) Rights listed in the Declaration as being gifts from the Creator.

            Socialism, on the other hand, is based on greed: Wanting something for nothing. Socialism encourages sloth. You have only to look at any well-intentioned social program to confirm this. Too many people, when they found they didn’t have to work or even beg for a handout, turned the social safety net into a hammock, destroying any work ethic they may have had in the process. Generational Welfare is a concept unheard of before the last generation … beginning with the Great Society under LBJ. The use of the TERM Welfare is a bastardization of the term used in the Constitution’s preamble.

            A socialist approach to society was tried before on this continent – in this country – with the Massachusetts Bay Colony and was a dismal, deadly failure. Your socialist attitudes will lead to the same result because Socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried. It is antithetical to the Nature of Man.

            “Why is it a red herring to assume people can’t afford high deductible insurance plans and Health Savings Accounts?” Simple. In spite of your description of the insurance premise below this statement, you appear to be confusing the deductible with the annual cost. Ownership of the funds in the HSA is an incentive NOT to go to the Doctor for every little nose bleed, cough and hang nail. The monthly premiums for the Major Medical, high deductible policy are based on the SIZE of the deductible and are usually 60% to 85% less (depending on deductible) than a full coverage policy.

            People feel free to go to the Emergency Room, using it for their primary care and billing the taxpayer or hospital, for every minor thing when they aren’t RESPONSIBLE for paying the bill. This is the highest cost health care treatment available. It has resulted in dozens of major metropolitan hospitals going belly up, drowned in red ink.

            “re-establishing control of the people,”
            What is your meaning here? How do you want to “control the people”? One would think that it would be insurance companies that needed to be controlled.”

            How do I know you have a Socialist mindset? As much as anything, this paragraph confirms it. “… re-establishing control of the people” refers to OUR people, our nation “of, by and for” the people and reestablishing CONTROL of the people means control BY THEM. Anything else would have been a contradiction in terms relative to EVERYTHING ELSE I said. But YOUR first instinct was to assume it meant “TO control the people” which is a motivation for Democrats, Socialists. Progressives, Fascists. Communists (All of these are almost interchangeable anymore, being but different stages of development of the same noxious

            In my opinion the only way “the people” will be able to apply any meaningful pressure is if they have the weight of government behind them. Otherwise they will continue to be ignored.

          • TheSkalawag929

            “focused on the wrong things”
            BS.
            You don’t get to make a determination on what is right for me to be focused on.
            If my looking out more for the average Joe and Josephine than seeing to it that the top percentile can continue to line their pockets is socialistic then I’m okay with that.
            “You assume I am a Republican yet you assume … ”
            It is because I assume you are a republican that I come to that conclusion. And that is because republicans, more often than not, are the ones that think having good business acumen automatically translates to being able to govern. I submit the election of trump as evidence of that thinking. So far it has not proven to be the case.
            We know how President Obama’s plan worked out.
            How do you think the republican plan for GM (let it fail then scavenge the carcass for the benefit of a few) would have been better for the country?

            “Your antagonism toward being motivated by profit shouts loudly, …”
            You are mistaken. I have no hostility toward capitalism. But I will not let trample me either.
            I think that unbridled capitalism is just as detrimental as any government based on total government control is.
            It is the mix of ideals that determines the value of the social product.

            You keep saying that socialism is wanting something for nothing but that doesn’t square with the definition of socialism and neither does your comment that socialism is based on greed. Added together that leads me to think that you don’t have any idea of what you are talking about. It’s just a scare word you republicans throw out there.

            “A socialist approach to society was tried before on this continent …”
            This is just one interpretation of the events that occurred that is held mainly by those associated with the Tea Party but disputed by historians according to this article.
            http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/weekinreview/21zernike.html

            ” you appear to be confusing the deductible with the annual cost.”

            No I’m not.
            HSA’s are not for everyone and for some that reason is financial (i.e. they don’t have enough leftover to put into a HSA account.

            “People feel free to go to the Emergency Room, using it for their primary … It has resulted in dozens of major metropolitan hospitals going belly up, drowned in red ink.”
            Here you have given what should be the preeminent reason conservatives should themselves put forth FOR the individual mandate, because sometimes you have to force people to take responsibility for themselves.
            “… re-establishing control of the people”
            If re-establishing control of government by the people is what you mean then that is what you should say. There is a difference in what you posted and what you meant.

            I understand that the People are the Government. But then it’s not me, Liberals and or Democrats that is railing and waging war continuously against government.
            It’s republicans.

    • mudguy1

      As far as the personal mandate to buy insurance the AHCA is no different than ACA, They just gave it a different name and instead of paying the penalty for not buying insurance to the IRS you pay the insurance company the penalty of 30%. They must think we are some kind of stupid.

    • Stargeezer

      Preach it Brother, Preach it! This is America, the land of the free and the home of the brave.
      We are NOT the land of the queer or a nation without God. It’s by the very nature of God’s creative hand that we stand united with one voice demanding that the oppressive liberal left release it’s death hold on our throats and minds of our children. We will not tolerate another generation of Hitler youth being groomed in our children’s schools.
      Know that by the strength of almighty God we reject your corrupt and destructive ways. We demand that the proselytes of Satan and those who reject God while claiming to be enlightened leave and we seek out God fearing men and women who know that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom to replace them.
      We have slept and allowed the corrupt one to pollute our schools, to change our history, to mock what was good and holy and to kill our unborn children. The blood of nearly 60 million broken and destroyed bodies cry out for justice from wherever their unmarked graves lay. Almost two generations of children’s corpses lay somewhere because of a handful of people in black robes rejected the most fundamental right we are given by God – Life. Without which, nothing else matters.
      By God’s good grace we will prevale over these blinded and tortured souls who seek to oppress us on every side, for we must.
      .

      • Donna Costa

        AMEN and AMEN !!

      • jimmy midnight

        Monotheistic fundamentalism is junk religion, the fount of ignorance and superstition.

    • Elizabeth Lewis

      Yes of course and we should have the right to not pay taxes that go for a war we don’t support or schools we don’t attend or roads we don’t drive on when we have no car or libraries when we use a kindle or the post office when we use email. O wait that is part of being a civilized society and part and parcel of how America was founded. And finally I assume you are for a womesn freedom to choose when and whether she has children?

      • Liberty’s Advocate

        If this is your idea of clear-minded analysis of the arguments I made above, then you not only missed the major point but you need a course in Critical Thinking. Your wild-eyed extrapolations may impress some people, but your lack of understanding of the NATURE and CONTEXT of the discussion shows your intent to argue and focus narrowly on your pet prejudices and personal concerns rather than what was being discussed.

    • tinker1

      BINGO!

    • mudguy1

      You said “Here’s why the AHCA (Republican Plan) makes more sense than the ACA (ObamaCare)” WRONG.
      You need to change the words more sense to NO SENSE. AHCA dose not repeal ACA (Obamacare). Is not even a good repair job
      For the last 6 years the promise was REPEAL OBAMACARE. Since the GOP has control of the Senate,House and White House they have added replace Obamacare.
      All we want is the Government OUT of our Healthcare period.

      • Liberty’s Advocate

        I’ll accept that. The major roadblock to common sense reform is that the ACA (courtesy exclusively of the Democrats) has caused many Health insurance Companies to stop selling their products, with many folding up the Health Care divisions entirely. Encouraging the return of those companies by simply expanding the appeal and use of HSA’s (Health Savings Accounts) would be the simplest way to accomplish a smooth transition to private sector control of Health Care, with minor legislative changes (Intra-state portability, making the HSA’s tax deductible (pre-tax dollars deposited), give the individual Estate Rights for the accounts so that their heirs can inherit them as property, maximum dollar amount contributions per person covered, etc. The government needs to get the hell out of the Health Care business and provide incentives for the people to buy their own ONLY.

    • Germansmith

      blah, blah, blah what a bunch of sanctimonious hot air. You are either ignorant OR a just plain liar

      There were no DEATH PANELS in ACA…that is pure BS. Before ACA, your health policy had a dollar limit between 1-5 millions…when the pool of money ran out of your policy….that was your death panel….decided by a for-profit insurance company

      Personal responsibility will be shown when a person with no health insurance gets a heart attack and decides NOT to call the ambulance because he has NO way to pay for the bill
      I would bet the most “ardent conservative patriot” will call the ambulance and let his fellow citizens pay for his bill. Not being able to pay for healthcare services is as irresponsible as driving a car with no insurance…you may never get into an accident BUT sooner or later we ALL end up in a hospital

      The Bible talks about rules and responsibilities and how obedience to God and master is important. Your rights came from pagans (democracy loving Greeks) and from secular governments that instituted a Constitution and limited the influence of religion in the affairs of state…..I see no place in the Bible that talks about rights

      • Liberty’s Advocate

        Your sources about ObamaCare are either suspect, figments of your Left-leaning imagination or the inevitable result of damage done to your cognitive abilities by never having been taught Critical Thinking skills. Likely all three since your response shows evidence of toxicity of the thought process brought about through forced ingestion of failed philosophies like Moral Relativism, Secular Humanism and Values Clarification. In short, a few hundred more examples of mental midgetry like you can start an Idiocracy. You might even qualify as their leader.

        The existence of Death Panels in the ACA is a matter of record. They don’t call them Death panels, of course, so that is where your lack of critical thinking abilities comes into play. Truly sanctimonious people ASSUME they have nothing to learn from others, and offer only “Shallow Hal” excuses for reasoning. NO ONE denies

    • Donna Costa

      Thank you sir.

  • disqus_tKlEuAw2uq

    Paul Ryan is a rhino and a liar do not trust him. we need to get him out of the speaker chair ASAP

    • Nonsense! Ryan is a conservative and not a RINO like Trump.

  • parnote

    I’m not saying I’m for or against the AHCA (Obamacare definitely needs to be replaced, though) … but I find it strange that WHEN IT SUITS THEM, the Republicans parade out “individual liberty” and “leaving choices up to the people” and “making one’s own decisions” and “accepting the consequences of the choices you make” and all that other soundbite crap, but when it comes to marijuana or any other thing that should be a personal choice, they are against all those very same things?! Either you’re for “individual liberty,” etc., etc. … or you’re not. You don’t get to pick and choose which issues it is applied to, and backtrack on the others you happen to disagree with.

    • SouthernPatriot

      I sympathize with your post. However, Republicans are not all Libertarians. Most Libertarians (e.g Dr. Rand Paul) are Republicans. When I see and hear Snoop Dogg all recreational uses of marijuana go out the window.

  • anibanib

    But didnt Trumpet mouth say last October that everybody would be covered by his new Healthcare system and it would be cheaper for everybody……….and now this turd above says otherwise………..of course it wont affect him and his buddies they get it for free

    • Mike

      trump lies 70percent of the time. no reason this would be truthful. did you hear the one about he would not take a salary? now he is saying he will donate the money.

      • SouthernPatriot

        Legally, he could not take a salary. The IRS would tax him for the full amount even though he did not take it. Giving it to charity is the best alternative. He would likely max out the IRS limits on donations and have a carry over to future years. That is exactly what I try to do each year– and I recommend that to everyone. Good organizations to donate to include: St. Jude’s, American Cancer Society, and Goodwill Industries among many others.

        • Mike

          since he does not release his taxes we will never know if he follows through. he lies about everything so I would not count on him donating one cent.

      • borecrazy

        He doesn’t lie 70% of the time and you know it! As for the salary, I’m sure he meant it when he said it. But since then a little known legal snag came up-by law the President MUST accept a salary. So he is punting in an effort to live up to what he promised-is that really that bad? What other President has done that? Obama and his family racked up much more than that on Americas dime, and I doubt you found anything wrong with it? One Hawaiian vacation cost almost 3 times as much as a years salary for Trump! Do you really think we would be any better off if Hillary had been elected? Really?

        • Mike

          Here is just one of many articles that details that all fact checking websites state: Donald Trump lies 65 to 75% of the time. I chose the middle ground. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015-12-21/fact-checking-website-donald-trump-lies-76-percent-of-the-time

          In addition, Trump has spent more in one month on his vacations to Mar a Lago every weekend than Obama did in his whole first year in office. http://freakoutnation.com/2017/02/in-one-month-trump-has-spent-more-on-travel-than-obama-did-in-a-year-video/
          Again if he actually donates his salary that would be wonderful, but since he will not release his taxes we will never know.

          • borecrazy

            Great-something from U.S. News quoting Politico and Freakoutnation is a rabid anti-Republican site of the Tea Party! Way to offer unbiased proof of your contentions! As for Trump spending, I doubt the month vs Obama’s first year comparison. Now if you made the same comparison as to what he has gotten done vs Obama, I’d have no argument! And that with all the snowflakes and media can throw at him!

          • Mike

            In Obama’s first month in office he signed a stimulus bill, helped to save the auto industry, signed the ledbetter equal pay act. WHat did Trump do? He signed a few executive orders which by and large helped himself and his billionaire friends.

            as for the trips how about Judicial watch the conservative group that tracked Obama’s vacations? Each trip to Mar-a Lago costs at least 3 million of taxpayer money. This is on top of securing both the White house and Trump Tower as Melania and his youngest son refuse to live in the White HOuse at this time. http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/85758/

          • borecrazy

            Believe what you want-facts are just a bother I guess. The stimulus package? What a joke, the auto manufacturers got not only money, but the Federal Government bought many of the vehicles-mostly trucks. So the Park Services, BLM, Forestry got new vehicles whether or not they needed them. To the credit of many cities around America, they said no thanks, the country needs it more. Not so the city I live in. They took the money Obama offered to update and beautify America-and promptly spent it on crap! They put in fancy adobe brick styled center dividers on the streets and lush landscaping with drip irrigation (when we needed water!). Fancy Old English style lamp pole streetlights lined the streets. Near where I worked they took out a fence and established trees along a wide waterway that handled flood times and completely redid everything. It looks nice, but was unnecessary. How about the stimulus money given to Alternative Energy companies? Many of them were such bad credit risks that the Obama administration was warned not to give them taxpayer money. He did it anyway, resulting in many of them filing bankruptcy. One of them was Solyndra-as a steel salesman who covered their territory I could not even get my company to put them on open account-but Obama did. They went belly up and stuck the taxpayers with a half billion dollar loss! And it was talked about at the time that one of the owners of Solyndra was a large contributor to Obama’s campaign.
            As for the costs you claim are spent on Trumps trips to Florida, I find them greatly exaggerated. First of all, many times it is usually business related, and he owns it! Unlike Obama’s trips to Hawaii where it was all vacation, and often the rest of the family-including the dogs- flew on separate jets. And of course the expense of the home on the beach wasn’t a bargain cottage. And then there was Michelle and the kids excursions to far away exotic places on good will tours. Mostly shopping and eating well and less good will. And you put down Trump for Melania and Barron Trump living separately on the Taxpayers dime- many parents would not want to take their child out of school in the middle of a term. How about Obama having Michelle’s Mother living in the White House and giving her $100,000 a year pension for life when he was leaving office? Who do you think is paying for that? For child care services rendered no doubt!
            So do not even start with me on Trump’s expenses-the Obama’s lived high on the hog on taxpayer money for 8 years! And we had to listen to Michelle harp about how we were all in this rough time together but we could make it if we tightened our belts! And Barry-he knew the country was bad off economically yet he printed and spent money with no conscience whatsoever! The U.S.A. stagnated at next to no growth, no jobs, and increasingly higher debt for 8 years! Job growth you say? B.S.! He manipulated the figures! That is after he changed the way the jobless rate was calculated so we were no longer comparing it the same way as all those before him did!

  • Mike

    trump promised repeatedly in the campaign that everyone would be covered. now instead millions will lose their health insurance and it will cost more. on the good front the wealthy get another huge tax break due to the repeal of obamacare so at least one republican mission is accomplished.

  • Trump ran on the promise of universal free healthcare for all and even said that it would be patterned after the Canadian system. Are you trying to be deceptive Mr. Ryan as to what was promised to the American voter by Trump. This was one of the centerpieces of his campaign. The Republicans cannot say one thing and do another and maintain the faith of the American people. I am against universal healthcare but that is clearly what Trump promised.

    • Mike

      trump fulfilling a promise to the average American is like bigfoot. many believe itexists despite there never being proof of its existence.

      • John Somers

        ARE YOU BIGFOOT ?????? NOW do I have to shoot and kill you before folks will believe?

        • Mike

          no but unlike you who believes that this new bill provides for the ability to buy insurance across state lines (see your comment above) I am informed. I wish you were as informed, but unfortunately you have not bothered to educate yourself about our President or this bill.

      • Very succinctly said, surprisingly there are people who know nothing of Trump’s history and think that he is a conservative Republican. The facts are that he has been a registered Republican only long enough to run for POTUS and the entirety of his history ideologically is of being a far left liberal Democrat ideologue whose best friends are the Clinton’s, Obama’s and Soros’. During the election Trump was consistently to the left of Hillary on issues. Healthcare happens to be just one of those issues. I cannot think of a single issue that he was to the political right of Hillary.

    • borecrazy

      I have followed Trump from the beginning, and I do not remember him promising any such thing? He said we would get rid of The Affordable Care Act and replace it with something much better. Following the Canadian Health Care plan may have been something that was being looked at as well as many other plans, but in the end there are some objectionable things about socialized medicine. For sure taking on Health Coverage with the Government being the single payer does not help pay down the National Debt. Personally I never liked a mandate where the Government said you had to do anything! And it seems even that didn’t work-it was said “Obamacare” was not working because it depended on millennials buying into it, and they weren’t. What kind of a mandate is that?

      • Mike

        Trump did promise repeatedly insurance for everybody. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.263cc4389dd0
        This is just one article out of a few dozen where he touts this. Of course a lie by Trump is so commonplace it is no wonder you and others cannot remember it.

        • borecrazy

          My comment was in response to someone saying Trump promised FREE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE. I don’t think so. He did say he was going to put together a plan that would reduce costs and do away with the mandate, AND that he would make insurance available to everyone. In this first offering of 3 in total, he is getting rid of the mandate and making health insurance available to everyone. He cannot control, nor does he want to, whether or not someone chooses not to take advantage of it. The costs will be addressed in the latter two proposals no doubt. Oh, and next time you want to prove a point, offer something more than a third hand observation of an article written by two reporters for the Washington Post!

          • Mike

            I disagree he stated that everyone would be covered. “We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

          • borecrazy

            What? To back your statement you send me a collection of articles found through Yahoo? Most of those talking about Trump praising the Canadian Socialistic Health care system were from 2015, or more current articles based on those from 2015. There are more current ones (2016) that talk about Trump (and Cruz) criticizing the Canadian system. In fact, one was talking about the fact that Canada’s Health Care System has been going downhill for a while and they keep cutting programs within the system that are being filled by U.S. insurance companies. Trump spouts off things occasionally, after all, he is not a politician. But he is a quick study, and is smart enough to bring in the best of the best in any arena and seek out their opinions. I think what he may have felt about the Canadian System in 2015 had changed by 2016 as he learned more about it’s track record. The fact that he has been saying for quite a while he wants to “open up the cross-state lines so competition between insurance companies will help bring costs down” tells me a single payer system is no longer being considered.

          • So, let me see if I can break down your opinions into logic. You are claiming that rhetorically Trump has taken both sides of this issue and I agree that this has been an important campaign practice for him. He talks out of both sides of his mouth as the saying goes. This is very common for lifelong far left liberal Democrat ideologues like Trump.

            BTW, Trump is the consummate politician. He could be the poster child.

            There is no evidence to your claims and you are simply doing what so many are doing and reading into Trump your own desires oblivious to his real positions and rhetoric.

          • borecrazy

            Really? Wow-you figured everything out so perfectly! I like it when someone tells me what I’m thinking and why! Now you only have several million more people like me to diagnose! You know, the ones who also believed in him and elected him over your sorry excuse for a candidate! Remember? The biggest political upset in U.S. history? The really pathetic thing is now you are trying to claim he is really a far left candidate! Although, to say it is common for a far left liberal to talk out of both sides of their mouths is true, he just doesn’t fit the mold. For one thing he is actually getting things done while in office!

          • What are you talking about…in this election there were two close friends and lifetime far left liberal Democrat ideologues running in respective parties. They were equally sorry candidates. Did you really not do any research into the Donald’s leftist history. He has been a Republican only long enough to register as a candidate for POTUS. The rest of his history is totally and completely as a leftist Democrat. How was this a political upset as there was no chance of an upset with two lifelong Democrat ideologues as the only candidates. It came down to wanting the far left liberal Democrat behind door 1 or door 2. I chose neither. Let us both pray that he stops his efforts to turn the country sharply and suddenly to the left. We need conservatives like Ryan to oppose him to save our country from these leftists like Hillary and Trump.

          • borecrazy

            No-what are YOU talking about? I listed some of the most obvious changes in direction in our policies and they go right over your head? The Democrats are panicking because Trump is unraveling their world and still you keep up the Trump is a leftist rhetoric? I no longer want to continue this dialogue-you are a waste of my time-I hope you wake up and see what is going on……

          • How did you ever come to the conclusion that Trump is not a politician. He has been a political insider in the Democrat party for decades. He was known as the kingmaker in the Democrat party and is almost solely responsible for Obama becoming POTUS with his influence in the party and his funding of Obama’s campaign. After his success he called Obama a “great President” to gloat for his accomplishment. Trump absolutely is a politician and has been for decades. Trump is still promoting a single payer system based on the Canadian system.

          • borecrazy

            Okay, whatever you say! You do know he ran on the Republican ticket, right? And as far as him being a politician, I don’t know of any political office he held before the present one. When he met Obama in the WH, he sure didn’t look like he respected or even liked him!

          • Yes he did run as a Republican and I find that monumentally ironic. There are different

          • borecrazy

            It doesn’t seem Trump is leading us in the Democrat’s direction? Reagan switched parties, so did I and my family and most of their friends in Louisiana. As Reagan said when asked why he left the Democratic party-“I didn’t, they left me”.

          • What? Have you not been paying attention? Remember in the campaign that Trump promised he would nominate conservative judges to the court. The reason he was forced to make such promises is because of people being dubious because of his lifetime far left liberal Democrat history. Remember the list he gave of examples of those conservatives he might nominate to the court? There were some who had very dubious credentials as conservatives and Gorsuch was one of those. We find out that two of the issues that separate conservatives and liberals on the court are the defining of marriage and abortion. On both of those issues important to conservatives Gorsuch is to the far left and will surely vote with the leftist Democrats on the court.

            It is my opinion, as a far right conservative Republican, that Trump broke his promise to conservatives in the party and nominated instead a far left liberal judge to the court. Certainly it cannot be argued that this judge will support life of the unborn nor will he support the traditional defining of marriage as being between a man and a woman. With Trump’s nomination the court has turned sharply and irrevocably to the left for the foreseen future. Trump betrayed conservatives on this appointment which was predicted and was realized.

          • Really? Did you not notice tht he betrayed his supporters by nominating and getting confirmed the most far left liberal Republican to ever become a justice of SCOTUS. Remember that this new justice represents our greatest fear as conservatives that leftist liberals would take the seats on the court previously held by conservatives like Scalia. Instead we get this justice who is anti the traditional definition of marriage and pro-abortion. Trump has lied and done exactly what he promised not to do. Remember that everyone with knowledge feared this which prompted Trump to make a list which was unprecedented. The court took a huge step to the left with this new leftist judge.

          • Janeway

            Yes, and “available” is not synonymous with “free.” If one looks for someone
            who lies to the American people consistently, focus on Obama and both of
            the Clintons. There are your liars; not Pres. Trump…

          • borecrazy

            So true! I don’t know why some of these people so angrily go after Trump? But I do get the shakes every time I think how close we came to having a President Hillary! Like someone said, our biggest problem is not that Obama won and Hillary came close, it’s that so many Americans believed they were the right choice for America! Scary!

          • Janeway

            Right until the last moments of the election, my son and I were praying for a “miracle” and
            we got it!!! My son kept telling me that he didn’t believe God would let America be handed over
            to another crook. My son, thankfully, was right.

          • borecrazy

            I was torn that night-I wanted Trump to win; I couldn’t fathom how Hillary could be anyone’s choice! Still, the Democratic machine had taken in lots of money and they were ruthless in their campaigning. I felt Trump could pull it off, that he really should win, but so much was stacked against him! All I can remember when the announcement came out that he had won was feeling elated. As opposed to the sick feeling in my gut when Obama was elected-not once but twice! What I hope Trump does, is reverse so much of the distortion the Democrats have done to our country. We have stood by and watched what America stands for be mutated way too far from it’s roots. Political correctness has done so much damage, we now are in a spot where a handful of people can scream about injustice about something and laws change and many lives are affected. It’s almost like the people whose lives change have no rights. IMHO-LOL!

        • George Matyas

          yes he said that, but you heard free insurance to everyone, and that is not what he said.

          • Mike

            I never said the insurance would be free. Even socialized medicine is not free it is paid for by taxes. I am merely stating that he absolutely stated insurance would be had by everyone and cost would not be a prohibitive factor for anyone. Again it does not matter when it comes to Trump even his staff says you cannot take every tweet or comment literally. He just lies so much.

      • Francisco Machado

        All ideological considerations aside, it quickly became obvious that Obamacare did not work. the exchanges have gone bankrupt, insurance companies have pulled out, risk corridor can pay only pennies on the dollar for their losses, it took six billion out of Medicare, it owes the Treasury at least five billion… When Obama said he could deliver more health care at reduced cost was time to say “Tilt!” Delivering more of a product (service) increases cost or reduces quality. An increase in efficiency from a government managed program would be a joke – particularly with a bill passed without being read, seven foot high stack of regulations and thousands of new government employees to administer it.

        • borecrazy

          Thank you Francisco-finally an opinion from someone not blinded by unfounded hatred!
          I typical Obama style, he said “more health care at a lesser cost” because that’s what the American people wanted to hear. It sounded good. But if we had dug deeper at the time, we would have found out the costs were greater, but Obama had made a deal with the insurance companies! Why do you think the insurance people weren’t squawking their heads off when this bill went through? Because Obama promised to reimburse them for any loses they incurred! So while he was selling the American people on lower costs, he was robbing tax dollars out of a different kitty to pay them off! Either way WE THE PEOPLE were paying for it! Just like money to the Muslim Brotherhood. Just like money to Iran. All out of OUR pockets!

      • In the campaign Donald Trump often said he was in favor of both sides of an issue and healthcare was one of those:

        http://ijr.com/2016/02/537107-5-times-donald-trump-praised-socialized-healthcare/

        https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=crmas&p=trump+said+he+wants+universal+healthcare+like+the+canadien+system

        The fact is that Trump is a far left liberal ideologue who bows to Canadian socialism. Conservatives need to remain vigilant and protect conservatism from the fox Trump who has lied himself into the Republican hen house.

      • You really should have been following him more closely…he campaigned on Obamacare not going far enough and that a Canadian system was the ideal system for the US. If there were any things that Trump objected to in the Canadian system Trump certainly was not swayed by those objections. But it is not surprising since Trump is a lifetime leftist and sees healthcare as a way to imprison Americans into a socialist system that will be impossible to escape. Trump and most other leftists never thought that Obamacare went far enough to make people dependent on a socialist government which is his ultimate goal. For a politician like Trump dependency equals power and control.

        • borecrazy

          You describe a leftist’s way of thinking to a T, but everything about Trump doesn’t fit that mold! Wanting to build up our military, tap into our natural resources to make us more independent, dead set against PC, build the wall, even his temporary ban on some immigrants from terrorist rich countries until we can figure out how to insure we can screen them properly are all anti-left ideas. And all the left does is try to discredit the right and scream about seeing his taxes? He’s been elected already, what could that possibly do to change anything? It’s just so maybe you can find a little something you can distort & blow out of proportion to attempt to discredit him some more. Meanwhile Isis and other terrorist groups are still going strong, North Korea is a problem, our economy needs help, Putin isn’t even to the table yet, China is claiming disputed territories, the Middle East and Indian/Pakistan border are ready to pop, and Iran is laughing at us while they and North Korea develop into nuclear powers without restraint. Mean while Trump getting elected has emboldened countries around the World to resist globalization and the whole New World Order crap which is nothing less than a power grab on steroids! You and those like you are on the wrong side Bozo! And you don’t even know it!

          • I see no reason to abandon conservatism and follow this far left lifetime liberal ideologue Trump.

          • borecrazy

            Of course you don’t-that’s why you are part of the problem. For now I and many conservative Americans like what he is doing-until that changes we will continue to do so.

    • gotcha1

      He did not run on “universal FREE healthcare”. Just to set the record straight. His platform for healthcare was affordable and have the option to have it or not. There is still a cost and one that has to be considered altogether. If I had my way the governement would not be involved in the healthcare industry. It is simply a control mechanism for the government over its citizens. I lived under the Canadian system for 2 years and it does not work. I could go on and on about its faults which there are many. There is no up-side to that healthcare insurance at all, much like ObamaCare.

      • Mike

        Actually he did promise just that: “We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” He even acknowledged his stance may cost him votes. Of course he lies 70percent of the time so I understand if this was just another lie.

      • Actually he did….
        http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2017/01/16/health-insurance-everybody-government-will-pay-says-republican-president-elect-donald-trump-again/

        He spoke out for universal free healthcare on many occasions and praised the Canadian system. This is just one of the many issues that he ran on to the left of Hilliary

      • What? You do not know of what you write about. When has a leftist like Trump ever been concerned about affordability? The answer is never, it is all about control and making people dependent on government. The election of this far left lifetime liberal Democrat ideologue is the best chance in history of getting their leftist utopia. Trump wants the US government to have a populace dependent on leftist handouts so that they can stay in power. Are you being intentionally deceptive?

        • gotcha1

          You are dillusional. The left hates him and his allies. You must have been getting your information from comic books. The control you have talked about came from the last president, a foreign fraud, that duped the country into thinking he was from the United States. All the establishment politicians hate Trump, Democrat and Republican, because he is not one of them. Don’t you get that?!? You need to quit spewing this blater about “free healthcare” and the sort. Also, Trump is trying to get rid of the “control” you talk about in all these government regulations! Just recently, Jeff Sessions asked 46 federal judges, that were appointed by Obama, to resign. Tell me how that would be coming from a lefty? Wake up!

          • The left knows that Trump is one of them. He has always been. Look at his close friendships which are all leftists like the Clinton’s, Obama’s and Soros’. That should have prompted you to do some research on Trump. I personally have no interest in Obama as he is irrelevant in this discussion. But remember, it was Trump with his influence as a Democrat insider that got Obama nominated and Trump’s money that got him elected.

            https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0LEVyhBqslYQawAR.tXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3MmtzdWtzBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDVUkyQzNfMQRzZWMDcmVsLWJvdA–?p=donald+trump+supported+democrats&b=11&pz=10&ei=UTF-8&xargs=0&fr2=rs-bottom%2Cp%3As%2Cv%3Aw%2Cm%3Aat-s&fr=crmas

          • gotcha1

            Both sides, Democrats and Republicans, do not like Trump because he has PROVEN to be NOT one of THEM! Understand, this is why the mainstream media is disengaging all relevant facts that support Trump and supporting all BS that moves against him. If you can’t see this then you are beyond help. All he has done and tried to do so far is exactly what he ran on to become president. It is true he was on the democratic side at one time, so was Ronald Reagan! Lets get up to date and move forward. There is still a Congress that is really not willing to work with him now and they are the ones that need to be on our radar screen to vote on next election.

          • I agree that there is no much to like about Trump. The Democrats see him as a traitor for seemingly abandoning his leftist ideology that he has held for a lifetime and was the iconic leftist. For me as a conservative Republican it would have been like Ronald Reagan suddenly turning to the left.

            Just to correct your error about Reagan in trying to compare him with the leftist Trump…Reagan was a conservative and a Republican for over a decade and worked tirelessly for Republican candidates to get them elected. Trump has been a registered Republican only long enough to run for POTUS. He has never supported conservatives or the Republican Party.

            Trump has been a loyal and consistent far left liberal Democrat ideologue his entire life. Never before has he shown any affinity to conservatism or the Republican Party. In fact, just the opposite. The so called “main stream” media or at least the leftists in the media are ecstatic in having one of them as POTUS. But they realize that they must help to perpetuate his ruse and deceit on American conservatives.

            Praise God for those in the Congress that are refusing to capitulate to the left and support Trump. If they are forced to move to the left and join Trump then America as we know it is lost.

    • george briar

      only the illegals believe everything is free in America so we can tell what you are by your dumb post.

      • I hope you can tell that I am a far right lifetime conservative Republican. IOW’s I am the opposite ideologically from you and Trump.

    • Janeway

      Universal “free” health care??? I believe Trump spoke of allowing competition and enabling
      different providers to go across state lines instead of the current limitations which thwart
      fair competition. When companies can actually compete, prices will go down and become
      “affordable.” Trump is an astute businessman and understands this.

      • Mike

        Actually he did promise just that: “We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” He even acknowledged his stance may cost him votes. Of course he lies 70percent of the time so I understand if this was just another lie.

      • Actually no, Trump did indeed campaign on free universal healthcare for all. Free healthcare eliminates competition. As for him being an astute businessman, I think he holds the record for bankruptcies. One such instance is why he ran for POTUS. He went broke in Chicago and had to be bailed out by George Soros to survive financially. Soros’ forgave 312 million dollars of Trump’s debt to his companies so that he would not be personally broke and could run for POTUS controlled by Soros. Trump is the puppet POTUS for Soros. The quid pro quo is that most of Trump’s cabinet are former Soros executives.

    • John Somers

      The average salary of a physician in Canada for a General practitioner happens to be about $100,000.00 per year in the States About $ 250,000.00, For a Neurosurgeon in Canada, $200,000.00, in the States Start figuring from $300,00 a year.
      ALSO look at the difference in Medications, In Canada You will pay about $4.00 for 30 Doxyclcline ( a broad spectrum Antibiotic) and HERE in The State it’s $45.00 for same amount of capsules. The Meds. are MADE HERE in the STATES. ALL of the Pharmicutical Companies are getting rich off of others NEEDS. These very same Companies send their Meds. to Canada.
      Just let someone here TRY to order from Canada and the U.S.P.S. WILL confiscate them !!!

      • John Somers

        NOW just how many Doctors do you believe will choose to stay in Practice ??

    • Linda Shelton

      He NEVER said it would be free, only affordable.

  • anibanib

    And the USA has the World most expensive Healthcare system, almost twice as expensive as any other country, medication prices in the USA are a laugh, here in my country I am paying about ONE TENTH of the prices in the USA for exacly the same medicine

    • gotabgood

      I do not get the rightwing’s mentality… they do not understand the truth or facts… it has to be sugar coated with BS, before they even look at it…. and then after sucking the BS coating away and get a taste of the truth, they spit it out.. a total foreign taste to them.

      Here is a fun site. A person could spend hours here looking at statistics… but it proves your point about USA healthcare system…

      http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

      • anibanib

        Excellent link, thanks

  • barnjoer

    None of this makes any sense, the government can’t control them selves so why do they’ve think they can tell us what & when we need insurance.
    It is not there job to tell us we have to have insurance!!! Like I said before, get A job that has insurance. People are just stupid, they would rather legalize marijuana then claim the government has to take care of them when teybrain fry than use some common sense and get insurance then go do something stupid like smoke or drink to get drunk, these things are choices not diseases!!’

  • Tiger

    If not Universal Healthcare why did Ryan use that term, I caught it in the outline he sent me and millions? Repeal the damned thing and then replace it, use the Bill you put on O’s desk in 2015 and they had all these years to get it right, my guess the RINO never imagined Trump would happen along and of all things win.

    Now they are caught with their pants down and we see they have nothing in there. By the way he is right, it is a free country, how many uninsured under O care. I can count all the poor around me in my hamlet, none. They continue to go to the community clinics for all their needs including medications.

    This is hooey.

    • Francisco Machado

      Most of the Republicans in Congress are Progressives. Their mantra is that centralized government control is the path to Utopia. That it’s not how we became the world’s premier nation is not relevant to them since it contradicts their ideology. Government office attracts Progressives with controlling personalities like playgrounds attract pederasts. They’re having a little more trouble pushing that than the Democrats as they have a somewhat less coöperative voter base.

  • James Maxwell

    Based upon the plan put forth by Paul Ryan and the idiots they want to “play” at fixing something
    that is a total disaster with something that is even more screwed up if that is possible. There is
    no mandate in the Constitution where the Government is required to provide Health Care for any
    one. Why do they continue to insist on an “ENTITLEMENT” program that will destroy any budget
    put forth in short order? Whose payroll are they on to continue to insist on such a travesty of
    political posturing and activism? They dammed sure are not representing the American Voters
    but only their own self interest.

    • Mike

      There is nothing in the Constitution about social security or Medicare. Should those be abolished as well? if so please begin immediately donating your monthly social security back to the federal government to help pay down the national debt. https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/gift/gift.htm

      • James Maxwell

        Mike you miss a very important point, When Social Security and Medicare were formed we were forced to pay into the plans for our future benefit. It was designed to assist when we retired. Socials Security was a set aside fund that if it had been left along would have sustained itself at least
        until it was raided by JFK (D) for the space program and then LBJ (D) signed it over to the general fund and ever hog in
        Washington has raided it since causing it to be at risk
        currently. Same thing for Medicare which was designed
        to assist elderly in their declining years and based upon
        the monies we paid into the system. But not it is given
        willie nilley to ever cretin even those who have never
        worked or even Foreigners who are not American Citizens
        Same with Medicare. These plans were based upon
        contributions made by American Workers to assist in
        their retirement, not to fully fund their retirement.
        I and millions of Americans have paid into these
        plans since we first started working and because we
        paid into the plan we can expect a return on our (forced)
        investment. The Budget problem is because of
        corrupt politicos spending more than the take in and
        using the money to buy voted back home for things
        that are not part of the Constitutional requirements
        but in many cased “Feel Good” BS to appease a
        minute segment of the population.

        • Mike

          Well then as for your forced investment most individuals will have used up their investment including interest in about 7 years so for it not to be an entitlement we can stop paying you at that point.
          My overall point is that the Constitution does not call for a number of things that as people we have made laws for.

          • James Maxwell

            I am glad you are not my accountant. I have friends who have been able to
            invest and watch their money grow. They matched what the SS amount
            was and by paying attention they were able to grow their money quite
            nicely. Fortunately I was able to do the same thing and between my investments and retirement, not counting SS and Medicare I could
            retire comfortable. But I still work and pay taxes. I budget my money
            and expenses to insure that if and when I finally decided to retire I can
            do so with out the worry of how I will survive. Unlike many who blow
            and go like there is not tomorrow and do not plan for the future.

      • George Matyas

        all working people pay for Medicare, Medicaid and social security, that s the difference, only a few pay for the ACA. but all expect the benefits.

  • Anna Knight

    Based on comments Paul Ryan has been making to his colleagues, IMO, Ryan is working on behalf of either an insurance lobbyist and/or the democrats. His concern is not with or for the American people. The House of Representatives should replace Paul Ryan with a conservative who truly cares, and works on behalf of the people who elected him/her. IMO.

    • Mike

      he is a Republican, like Donald Trump, they are only concerned about the wealthiest of Americans. This bill will actually be a huge tax break for the top 1percent in this country while the poor get hurt. The reverse Robin Hood just what the Trump supporter ordered I assume.

      • George Matyas

        You fail to understand the problem. whether your rich or poor was a choice you made that determined where you ended up. All of us have the same choices, learn in school, learn a trade, and then keep on learning, you can choose to party and only think about to day or you can think about tomorrow and improve your life, that is the same about health. To many live for today and then expect that someone else will pay for tomorrow, that’s not how life works.

  • junkmailbin

    life , liberty are guaranteed, you need to purse happiness as it is not guaranteed as health insurance is not guaranteed
    If you really wanted health insurance you should have served in the military

  • Steven Paleck

    Paul Ryan BEWARE the crooked sob

  • Ryan must be replaced, he is a ‘Never Trump’ saboteur and closely knitted to the Neocons. Please search & read “64 Ways Obama is Sabotaging Trump” and “Color Revolution”

    This is a deadly serious war against President Trump’s Administration as the administration tries to rip our country out of the Neocon’s evil grips and as WikiLeaks is simultaneously and independently exposing the Deep State Neocons.

    • Wake up deceived one…Trump is the most far left liberal Democrat to ever become POTUS.

      • Donna Costa

        You are sooooo full of crap !!!

      • You obviously did not read either article… please do, search & read “64 Ways Obama is Sabotaging Trump” and “Color Revolution”

        • OK, I read it and found it somewhat humorous and quite creative in nature.

        • I read it and it smelled like garbage. Just more infighting and paranoia from the political left. As a conservative i have very little interest in liberals fighting one another.

        • I’m sorry Gene but I have enough problems with leftists like Trump in my own party to worry about the Democrats like Obama in yours. I did read it but found it not to be very interesting. I expect leftists like Obama and Trump to act in despicable ways.

  • Marie S Donoghue

    My opinion Mr. Ryan is he can talk a lot but I do not trust him. President Trump promised to repeal and replace. Is Ryan’s plan going to hurt the small wage earners.

    • Mike

      This bill that Trump has gone on record as favoring will give a huge tax cut to the wealthiest Americans while hurting the middle class and poor. I assume that is what Trump supporters want though.

  • sara

    THIS NOT A JOB THIS IS PEOPLE HEALTH, WHY NOT HAVE THE POLITITICANS HEALTH CARE THEY MUST HAVE A GOOD ONE CAUSE THERE NOT TALKING ABOUT THERE HEALTH PLAN.OR UNIVERAL AND THAT WILL CLEAR EVERYONE HAVING HEALTH CARE.

  • Katie Jones

    It does not matter what his goal is it only matters what he created. Another entitlement AGAIN!!! Notice they are not saying “repeal anymore describing it”. This means it well never be repealed only fixed! I am not buying it!!! AGAIN. I want the market principles that they said they were going to do. All the have to do it repeal it totally and then pass bills which tells the insurance market that they can create some insurance plans which people can select from or the other one children with this plan can stay on their parents health care plan and then market plans for the rest of us and guess what the government is out of HEALTH CARE PERIOD. Allow those who are on it to have it for two years and then select a plan that fits them. Then it is DONE!!!!

  • Justin Seine

    If liberal ideas were so damn good they would not have to be mandatory!

  • Ken says

    Ryan is a confirmed Liberal RINO and an Establishment Puppet and he has 20+ Republican Senators in the RINO boat with him. #1 REPEAL ObamaCare – total and complete. #2 Abolish the “Health Care Price List” – it was written by the Medical and Insurance Industry and OUR Government uses it as – ( don’t know what it is? type in your search bar: Time Mag Healthcare Costs) – there are articles that Start in Feb,2013 and continue until August – one entire issue is devoted to the SCAM. The “Price List” was written by the MEDICAL and INSURANCE Industries to guarantee Outrageous Profits for Medical facilities (including “non profit hospitals and your local pharmacy) and Insurance Companies AND SCREW THE PATIENT.

  • David in MA

    Get rid of RINO Ryan.
    If one person in the house and senate is doing all the shot calling, why do we need so many others?
    America is caught up in a modified socialist system!

  • MikeS

    Well, jibber jabber Ryan BS’ing again. He dodges taking ownership of the plan and he dodges not taking ownership of the plan. All the while, he does not answer the mandate question. He dribbles on when asked about the mandate and never answers the question. I gather from that, the mandate will remain just as obamacare is not being cancelled. Put the bill to REPEAL OBAMACARE on President Trumps desk and he will sign it. We were promised this and we DEMAND IT! Ryan, by the way, was put in place by people we do not want running our government. He is a liberal democrat no matter what he calls himself.

  • papa doug

    Penalizing people for NOT having health care was a socialist edict and needs to be thrown out with the trash but, we must take care not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Other provisions of Obama care are good too and need to be retained. While I agree all Americans need health care, it really should be their choice. However they should not be allowed a free ride because they opted out of a health plan, they should pay out of pocket. Nor should anyone have to pay a penalty for waiting a year or more to get on the new plan. I say keep it free market free choice and stop playing with socialist terms to saddle it with. KISS! (keep it simple stupid)

  • I recall taking Law courses from Alabama educated Lawyers and in every course we were told only a fool signs a document they have not read. I do recall when the 2500 page ACA was brought up a certain Democrat from California told the Democrats to sign the bill and then read it. I am sure not reading documents they sign is SOP for our Politicians . Now those same Democrats who never read the bill are screaming their heads off for the Republicans desire to make changes to their masterpiece.
    Either bill is going to increase taxes to pay for this ill advised legislation. .

  • George Matyas

    The problem is simply, its all about who is going to lose freebees!!!! not health care. I now many people that have insurance but can’t afford to go to the doctor because of the premiums and deductibles, $12000.00 before they actually get benefits, while those that pay nothing start getting it day one. Nothing is going to solve the cost of health care, unless the cost of drugs, hospitals, doctors is caped. It is just to expensive, I changed my life style long ago to have better health, and see no reason to support those that do nothing to improve their health. Also doctors must start using natural whole food supplements, natural solution to improve or cure health issues. If we can force people to buy insurance, why not force people to live healthy life styles.

  • Elizabeth Raynor Short

    Govt out of health insurance and no legislation of what is or isn’t ok with them Silence. Then there will be portable policies and policies covering only what the insured wants. Insurance companies and insureds will bring drug costs down, by ins. co. negotiation and by our refusal of ridiculously expensive drugs. And there are alternatives. GOVT, LEAVE US ALONE.

  • SD of AZ

    The reason obamacare was wrong is it was a ponzi scheme based on everyone buying and paying for everyone else who would not, could not, did not even consider it. That would include street people like drug adicts, and destitute. But for them in most states before obamacare there was insurance and all they had to do was sign up for it. The only group before obamacare was the inbetween who belonged to no group. It is that group that had needs and it should be that group that affordable care is available to without riders that make insurance unattainable. However, the obamacare that was in place was not helping either. So, this is a change. Making the many insure the few obviously was NOT working. I would assume that congress has learned some lessons and made some changes. The best thing I see is that the ones who are young and healthy are not going to be forced to support the inbetweens or the indigent/destitute and everything else BO brought into the country for us and them to support!

    This change apparently will be a work in progress.

  • Donna Morken

    I don’t know what Ryan is trying to do but it sure isn’t replace and repeal like he promised. I think he is trying to set himself up to run as president but I can assure you if they don’t get rid of Obamacare the republicans are done because this is one of the promises they ran on.

    • Valor

      The GUP (Give Up Party) is probably done anyway. They seem to have a knack for seizing defeat from the jaws of victory. The party is led by a bunch of incompetent, spineless wimps!

  • Germansmith

    Of course NOT.
    The GOP plan (really not a plan but paragraph changes in ACA, I took some time to read it) is not designed to increase access to healthcare, it is designed to decrease taxation to the really wealthy, remove funding for Planned Parenthood for all women care services (as per already Federal Law, taxpayers do NOT pay for abortions), give extra money to insurers and allow them to charge more for older people. The tax breaks for the wealthy also means less money for the Medicare Trust and for Veteran Medical services.
    This is NOT a repeal…this is changing ACA to reduce taxes for the really wealthy…….HOW ABOUT THAT FOR YOUR FELLOW “FREEDOM LOVING REPUBLICANS”???

    Yes, people are free to buy it or not…some will NOT be able to afford it as the CBO (current director hand picked by Republicans) estimate premium increases between 20% to 24% for people over 50, but nevertheless, when people get sick they will still have access to emergency care (the most expensive way to get care) and of course saddle with many thousands of dollars in medical bills, they will not pay, most likely increase the number of bankruptcies due to healthcare bills
    ….are hospital going to swallow those losses?
    Of course not!!! Policy holders or taxpayers will pay for those uncompensated services.

    BTW….Trump is behind this plan 100% …how do that jive with the “healthcare for everybody, is going to be great folks !!!”? Trump either do not read, does not have understanding of details OR is a con man….I’ll go with “ALL OF the ABOVE”

  • Jerry

    If I understand the new health care plan correctly it just gives people a choice. With the ACA if you did not buy insurance you received a very heavy fine which forced you into buying insurance. In the new plan you are not forced to buy insurance it is up to you.
    Why should a young healthy persons be forced to pay for health insurance for thirty or forty years before they need it. The new plan is called freedom of choice, that is, a personal choice, not a government choice.

  • annmariecunningham

    Ryancare believes if you want healthcare, you have access to it.So buy it. Ryancare is also involved in the greatest transfer of wealth in many decades. To bad if you are one of those earning below
    $200.000. You can pay the increase takes, no breaks for you

  • R. T.

    I liked when he said ” Are you going to stop mandating people buy health insurance?” Ryan said. “People are going to do what they want to do with their lives because we believe in individual freedom in this country.” Sounds like he is saying the government should not tell you to buy something or do something that affects you alone !

    • walt

      Yes, but he left the mandate and fines in place, so he is full of it!

  • SNOWDIN

    Paul RYNO has always been a pathetic POS Establishment RINO. The Head RYNO of the House can take his 600+ pages of his RYNO No Care Bill and shove it up his @$$.

  • keepon

    For those on Social Security, Trump would NOT touch Medicare. What’s the impact of Ryan’s plan for those on Medicare?
    There’s, again, no cost of living adjustment, and now a medical insurance increase? My medical went up & so did my husband’s. That’s $ 140 out of our monthly household income! How’d THAT happen? I thought I was on a FIXED income?!
    So where’s Trump’s ‘WON’T touch it?’ Is he really going to ‘bait & switch?!’

  • James Andrews

    That is good; the worst thing that could ever happen to America9already a super corrupt, overly socialist nation), is to have “universal” health care. It will sink us even faster than we are sinking now!

  • Morton99

    No, Ryan’s goal appears to be geriatricide. It will decimate the rust belt – a huge purchaser of Obamacare insurance policies.

    • Starman535

      Maybe if by “purchaser” of ACA policies you really mean the millions whom the Federal Gov’t paid some of the States to expand Medicaid for, then you might be right. Otherwise, you are blowing smoke.

      • Morton99

        The two are irrevocably entwined. They affect the risk pool – which is the primary consideration of whether any insurance company is willing to offer policies. The greater part of the proposed cuts are going to hit the Republican States that wanted no part of Obamacare. Now they are faced with a far heavier burden – to find some way of supporting the healthcare of their older citizens without a huge increase of State taxes.

        • Starman535

          Well, true competition is the only thing likely to reign in health care costs, not some Gov’t giveaway. However, in the short run, lots of people will be exposed to the screw job of health care overcharges until competition can get going. I doubt you could afford my less than stellar Fed. employee health plan, which costs ~$1500/month (I pay $500/mo), yet still leaves me exposed up to $7000 annually if I get sick or injured. There is no cost transparency in medicine today.

          • Morton99

            There has been an attempt by three States to see if inter State competition would bring down costs. It did not.
            https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/05/11/will-buying-health-insurance-across-state-lines-reduce-costs/#383242272dcf

          • Starman535

            The competition has to be mostly local, I think, until it will work. Think dental implants – they cost a lot, sure, but you can find out exactly what one will cost you. Not so for other medical procedures normally paid through insurance.

          • Morton99

            The problem with ‘competition’ and ‘choice’ as Paul Ryan would like us to think – is that 99 percent of us are totally unqualified to choose between specialists – so the freedom to select an insurance policy tailored to your needs is rather silly – unless you can predict the future. The real thrust of the Republican desire to change healthcare – is to pass risk (and cost) on to us, rather than be a government that takes an interest in a healthy population, except where it makes the practitioners and insurance companies a lot of money.

          • Starman535

            Most people, when they find a good doctor, ask them for recommendations for specialists. Similarly, to find a good car repairman, people ask others they trust. Your argument therefore lacks good reason. Competition is the way to go. If you have a better idea, lets hear it. Single payer and other Gov’t interventions have created the current problems, so give another reason.

          • Morton99

            Providing an option for the choice of a doctor does not need the scrapping of an entire healthcare system.. In other national healthcare systems it is handled by a surcharge. Remember that regardless of who the surgeon is in a highly specialized operation – the bulk of the cost is the team and expensive equipment that is necessary for the operation. Yes, I value the opinion of a specialist I trust – but there is a great deal of back-scratching in the healthcare business especially for procedures that are well understood; you may end up simply paying more than you have to.

          • Morton99
  • Valor

    How sad it is no one seems to give a damn the Constitution provides the Federal Government no authority to be involved in health care in any manner.

  • mlmaston

    We want Obamacare REPEALED…. Done Away With. We don’t want it Tweaked, Repaired, Repackaged, Reformed, or Replaced. We Want It GONE….end of story….or must we illustrate this with cartoons.

  • Obie Miller

    We do NOT want or need a republican version of obummercare!!!

  • James Southern

    The GOP is just watering down Obama care and it is useless. I have been emailing and face booking reps and none of them want to listen to and deal with the real issues so it is a waste if I could go to congress and bring up all of the major issues not being dealt with and make the suggestions I have maybe they could stop for a minute and listen. Their ideas all involve government control of the insurance system which will do nothing but further the bureaucracy and make a mess. My idea was though out over a 7 year period and the only involvement the government has is to create a national code and questionnaire system to be used to help kill all of the fraud, and to help establish a 401C3 that all working individuals have the option to contribute to whom will pay the medical bills with the money being taken out in the form of a tax but turned over to the 401C3 to be handled responsibly. There will be options for all people working to contribute as much or as title as they want to and it can be done very cheaply. If someone doesn’t want to join it because they want a different policy that is ok, if you do not want to buy insurance at all it is your choice, you see it is not legal to make people buy anything that they do not want in the case of health care. I have a very exhaustive plan and the way the congress want to fight over petty and useless coverage and still make the government the proprietor of the system and invading the doctor patient confidentiality parts of the privacy act and it will not create more identity theft possibilities by putting all of that information online.

  • Justin Seine

    The problem of out of control healthcare costs is directly related to the daily (24/7/365) brainwashing that people are confronted with in their TVs, radios and printed media convincing them that there is a pill to cure all their ills, no matter what they may be. And if the pill has a negative side effect there is another pill for that too! Frankly watching TV has become an unpleasant experience. If it wasn’t for DVRs I would totally give it up. 90% of all TV commercials are of the “ask your doctor” variety. Why bother to exercise, eat properly and lead a healthy lifestyle when you can burn the candle at both ends and fix any problems with an overpriced, sometimes addictive pill?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/65dd597f464583e73ad6d37c314c5ae45cff9b88eabf6c3710329c59d4acf9ff.jpg

  • GuardianFlame

    I pulled the following off an extremely funny email about Bill Clinton — this is his and Obama’s oath to the Presidency: “I solemnly swear to tell the truth as I know it, the whole truth as I believe it to be, … and nothing but what I think you need to know.”

    Couldn’t have said it better because this is exactly the thinking of the radical left, aka Democrats. Another cliché is “Do as I say, Not as I do.” When Obamacare was passed with the encouraging, albeit ditsy, words from Pelosi, barack pulled the “Nothing but what I think you need to know” trick. No Congressman was going to sit for hours on end reading that massive Health Care Mandate…so they all signed it instead. Just how bright these Congressmen are, I do not know.

    FYI: If each Congressman was forced to use the same health care coverage as Americans, you know they would have never voted in Obamacare but given it the big VETO! Another Amendment to add to our Constitution along with term limits: “All Congress must use the same Health Care coverage offered to Americans”. End of story.

    Obamacare needs to be repealed and destroyed. It was a poor healthcare plan from the beginning where even the Website dudes couldn’t keep the website working correctly…first Red Flag this plan was a flop. Then came the biggest blatant lie out of Obama’s mouth: “You can keep your Doctor” — second Red Flag it was not thought out — something fishy was going on, etc. etc.

    Americans do NOT want this sham of a Healthcare System because it is poorly written, but the main cause is that it was NEVER WRITTEN TO HELP AMERICANS BUT TO FINANCIALLY BREAK OUR COUNTRY…CREATE CHAOS, DESTROY OUR GOOD DOCTORS LIVELIHOODS AND STOP YOUNG ADULTS FROM EVEN THINKING ABOUT BEING DOCTORS BECAUSE OF ALL THE RED TAPE THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

    Thank God Donald Trump came along and decided to run for the Presidency. He has been our saving grace by destroying all the liberal legislation that has been strangling our country since 2008, causing more chaos between the races, and financially destroying our Country as a whole while sacrificing our Military Leaders. If any enemy combatant could ever masquerade as a President, Obama is the one!

    Obamacare was bho’s last ditch effort to control and financially drain our Country…and now it is going to disappear forever! Bet he is having a hissy fit as his existence is slowly being wiped off the History pages! May that be the destination of everything Obama did — including Obamacare as well. No one wants it, no one needs it, remove it! Remove the Fraud bho from our Country as well!

  • barneycs

    We mandate automobile insurance in every state why not healthcare. We are the only industrial country without universal healthcare. If every one has insurance cost for all wil drop that is why auto insurance is mandatory to cut cost for all.

    • J.B.Jacobs

      Any time the government mandates something, the cost will go through the roof. I had liability insurance when the state mandated it. The cost was about $40 a year. Look at it now. I pay more than that every month. I have no choice but to pay whatever the insurance company’s want to charge me.

      I know people who have gotten a speeding ticket and their insurance cost tripled, although it never cost the insurance company one dime. How can they justify increasing what they charge when what the person did didn’t cost them anything? When you force people to buy something whether they want it or not, you take away a lot of the competition and the cost will skyrocket. Look at the cost of Obamacare. It’s gone up over 100% in some states. Competition in the market is what keeps cost down. If you charge more for something people can get cheaper somewhere else, they will not buy from you. Simple.

      When TV first came out, there was little or no competition. An 8 inch round screen TV was about $900. I just bought a 40 inch flat screen TV for about $200 dollars. A lot of companies are building TV’s now. The competition is high and they have to compete, price wise, or they sell no TV’s. It works the same for anything, health care or whatever.

      In my opinion, when the government mandates something, you take away one of the rights of the people. What if everything was mandated by the government? People need to have the option to buy or not to buy whatever they want. That holds the cost down too.

  • gotabgood

    Can you handle the truth about the GOP healthcare????

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66mZQtXrxlk

  • Richard

    It’s not Universal Health Insurance – it is Humanistic Health Coverage. No American citizens can be rejected from health care no matter their income. No more people losing their homes, retirement saving and children because of inability to pay. There is enough money to pay for all of this already being paid to hospitals, doctors, drug and medical equipment manufacturers and “insurance companies”. When are we going to stop looking at the health of AMerican’s as profit only. I supported St Judes for years and have voted Republican for decades and have always wondered why the rest of the world has this type of coverage because they care about their citizens. Hey the “life expectancy” in the US is declining, how can that be in the most affluent nation in the world.

  • AKLady

    Left to the insurance companies, many Americans will not be able to obtain health insurance — at any price. The ban on denial of coverage bases on pre-existing conditions is one of the most important parts of the ACA.

    • rocky

      Funny… historically we never had it covered in the past, and life went on.

      • AKLady

        Your comment does not make any sense?
        What was never covered?
        Actually, the US is the only modern, industrialized country in which people are left to die — simply because they cannot afford to buy health care.
        In the long run, you end up paying far more for health care, and for taxes as a result medical bad debt. The majority of people on welfare are either elderly or disabled.

        • lha

          Why don’t you move to one of these Utopian Countries you espouse? It’s clear that you didn’t read the reply that you didn’t understand. rocky was responding to your drivel about the Capitalist,liberty based system we enjoy here in the USA. I have been in several of these Utopias that you refer to and it is not even close to what you have been led to believe by CNN,Michael Moore or other BS source. Long lines and Doctors who are forced by Governments to work at clinics before going to their private offices,where they actually make money to pay their bills. Do you really want to visit an unhappy,overworked,underpaid Doctor when you are sick?

          • AKLady

            Your insults are very childish.
            Your ignorance is extremely sad.
            There are long waiting lists to see doctors in the U.S.
            I am waiting to see a specialist, my appointment is a month away.
            Your knowledge of American Health Care is limited to right-wing propaganda.
            .
            Oh, and ignorant one, physicians in those countries are provided a free education. Unlike their American counterpart, they do no begin their career $millions in debt.

      • rocky

        We have never covered ‘Pre-existing’ conditions in the past.. way past !

  • stonecold621

    paul ryan….an @$$hole, a son-of-a-b!tch, and a TRAITOR!

    • No, that statement more perfectly describes the Charlatan and Svengali Trump. Thank God that Ryan is standing up to this charlatan bully Trump.

      • stonecold621

        No! that son-of-a-b!itch ryan IS the real chalitan, the bully, john bohenors lil toy to do what he says and all the rino sellouts out there to try and stop trump.
        best well check who the real svengali really is…..
        NO RYANCARE! NOTHING MORE THAT FULL APPEAL WILL SUFFICE!

        • stonecold621

          full repeal….then we will talk!

        • As a conservative and a lifelong conservative I pray for Ryan and the conservative Republicans to stand between Trump and his attempts at anarchy. Trump is President and not a dictator.

          • stonecold621

            as a conservative, and one who questions things thanks to years of experience, i want to see this piece of sx!t obummercare lite propposed by john bohenors little boy parl ryan stopped. hes the slimeball not trump.

            i think youre jealous that an outsider out of d.c. may finally come and do something right for the people of this country, not for the politicans own interests

          • You are forgetting that Trump is an outsider only to conservatism and the Republican party. He is an insider to the Democrat Party and is the one that gave America the Obama Presidency with his influence and money. Trump believed Obama to be a great President of so he said. But he may have been lying about that also. Trump does everything for his own interests and lies incessantly. Just be happy that Ryan is not pushing the free universal healthcare system like the Canadian system that Trump campaigned for so ardently.

          • stonecold621

            well for the time being…..7;24 pm pst
            Freedom Caucus 1, ryancare 0
            paul ryans a punk and must be replaced

          • Trump has already stated in the campaign that he wants universal free health care based on the Canadian system. Did no one pay attention to the campaign of Trump? He is the most far left person to ever become POTUS.

        • Trump is the iconic RINO. But I will say this, Trump has not been a Republican long enough to be called a RINO. He has never accepted conservatism or any of the values of Republicans but remains the far left liberal Democrat ideologue that he has historically been his entire life.

          • stonecold621

            hes from new york city, where its 7-1 democrats over republicans
            and hes a businessman, not one of those government whores like ryan. mc connell, mc cain, lil miss lindsey, etc.

  • gotabgood

    XXXOOO

    This was done by a blogging friend going by the name XXXOOO.

    This is at the tune of Folsom Prison Blues.. enjoy.

    CORPORATE INSURANCE BLUES

    I hear that train a coming its roll-ling around the bend.

    The republicans can’t see the sunshine from where their heads are
    in!

    Stuck inside their buttholes since I don’t know when!

    Two years till the next election and time keeps dragging on!

    Buttwipes keep on a blaming till the day is done.

    If you are having a baby, and you can’t afford one.

    You’ll have to bite the bullet, cuz no doctor is gonna come.

    Buttholes are gonna ream ya and no good reason why!

    And I hear Ryan whistling, and John Boehner wants to cry!

    They cater to the rich folks, with their fancy cars.

    If ya can’t pay the doctor, they’ll put you behind the bars.

    They tell you health insurance, can not be free!

    Those goobers gonna getcha, Although you want to flee

    If they made it single payer you know I wouldn’t mind

    We’d have affordable healthcare, and wouldn’t that be fine.

    Far from corporations, is where we want to stay!

    Then corporate insurance, would be blown away!

  • GODBlessRealAmerica!
    • Don’t be delusional Donald…lifetime leftist Democrat ideologues like you are never “right” in ideology or reason.

  • Gary Pakes

    As reported in a January 16th FixThisNation article, Trump stated that his goal was to make sure all Americans (“everybody”) had health insurance ( washttp://www.fixthisnation.com/conservative-breaking-news/trump-my-goal-is-insurance-for-everybody/ ). Then, the GOP healthcare plan came out this week and Trump hasn’t done anything to fight against it. Doesn’t he realize that this GOP plan means that next year 14 million people who would have had healthcare under Obamacare won’t have any insurance at all. This is bad news for those who supported Trump–especially those in the Rust Belt and coal mining areas who will now have to tell their parents who are disabled/paralyzed after their stroke/heart attack, their wives with breast cancer, and their handicapped kids with seizures that they are going to be left to die. With the GOP plan, all there will be now for Trump’s followers is a quick trip to the ER, followed by millions of burials.

  • dahniuru

    I’m starting to like the Ryanocare Bill more and more. The Constitution gives us the right to make choices about what we want to purchase in terms of such things as bowling balls, Aspirin, Automobiles, Food, etc. All efforts by government to make us buy and eat any particular foods have been rejected. Why should health insurance be different. The government’s job is to regulate the cost of health care services it can to prevent medial sham treatments and unreasonable costs.

    What we have to do as individuals is make the choices we do in deciding what we think we need and then buying that. We as individuals are responsible to the outcomes of those decisions. I know a family near me who live pretty high, with 3 cars, 2 kids in HS, a boat and a cabin or a lake in the mountains. They chose to carry a cheap health care program with high deductibiles; same with their cars. They had a wreck that put all four into a hospital for several days. Their personal out of pocket costs to fix themselves and their care was a little over $45,000. Insurance paid for only about 60%.

    Had they increased their monthly insurance premiums by a minimum amount of about $18/person, and car ins. by about $10 per person, they would have had to pay only about $10,000. They knew this but made their choice.

    A few weeks later another similar family of 5, with 3 children under 16, had a similar accident. Hospital stay about the same and car damage about the same. Their cost for both was under $5,000. They carried and payed higher premiums to extended coverage with medium deductible. This family did two things differently. They chose to pay higher health and auto insurance premiums for increased coverage; and they chose to establish a small savings account for emergencies like the accident even though they did not have all the things as the other family, they had better support for big accidental incidents.

    What we need is to require an education program they everyone over the age of 18 can take which explains the risks/benefits of insurance. It would be much more valuable than a semester of Gender Studies, I bet.

    • thereasonableman

      Good points but I think you take the freedom of economic choice a step too far. The problem is those who do not make or cannot afford to make reasonable choices. Who pays for those who refuse to buy insurance or whose insurance runs out due to some catastrophic illness or injury or who literally have to choose between food on the table and health insurance? No amount of education will fix that. The current answer is you and me through making up for the uncompensated care these people will receive at some level in the hospital ER or through some sort of government assistance. What is your answer to the question of how to provide and pay for care for those choose to be irresponsible, those who run out of insurance and those who can’t afford any insurance?

  • Labor74

    Let it implode!!!

  • Normie G

    What part of “available” is so hard to understand? Just like our right to “pursue” happiness, happiness is not guaranteed. Same for insurance, if you want it buy it! It will be more affordable this new way! Get it? Nobody HAS to do anything. The government should not have the job of giving you stuff! That’s your job!

  • Jan Taylor

    I am sick of the lying RINO’s and Ryan has Trump convinced this is the way to go. Breaking their promises as usual. They will pay in the elections.

    • pmbalele

      I have a secret for you little girl. President Trump wants to expand Obamacare to cover every American – rich or poor. That way when he leaves office in 3years a 4 months his wives will have health insurance paid without premiums. Please ask Trump to hire me instead of listening to pathological liars such Ryan, McConnell and those at FoxNews. Just look at their faces when around Trump. They are snotty. These want Trump fail in 2020.

  • JMICHAEL270

    We had the best health care system before Obama replaced it with the Abomination that was forced upon us by the dimocrates. You have to pass it to find out what’s in it….sure nuff Peelousy. Ryan’s plan is like wind shield wipers on a donkeys azz…won’t work. Bring in the Doctors that started cooperatives and negotiated prices with drug companies. No way the taxpayers should subsidize insurance companies and make them wealthy beyond belief. The insurance companies are to provide a service at a reasonabe return like the doctors, pharmacist, and other healthcare providers. President Trump Do Not Trust Paul Ryan

  • GODBlessRealAmerica!
  • KVandy

    paulina ryan has shown her true colors and has been exposed for the liar she is. She needs to step down as she certainly can’t ‘be trusted.

  • My country

    If he was not a democrat play acting as a republican he might have a chance at being believed . Get out of the way butt wipe and stop giving Trump a hard time . He is the president not you . With the Rinos lining up with the communist democrats and not stopping the hold up of Trumps Nominees so this country can finally have a moment of peace that it hasn’t seen since Obama arrived . Trump is within his authority to have the district judge that thinks he has the right to stop his ban arrested . Lincoln did it and while he’s at arresting go after a lot more of you in both houses .

  • AKLady

    .
    First they came for the Muslims, and You did not speak out—
    Because You were not a Muslim

    Then they came for the Hispanics and You did not speak out—
    Because You were not a Hispanics..

    Then they came for the Poor and You did not speak out —
    Because You were not Poor.

    Then they came for the Disabled and You did not speak out –
    Because You were not Disabled.

    Then they came for the Jews, and You did not speak out—
    Because You were not a Jew.

    Then they came for the Elderly, and You did not speak out –
    Because You were not Elderly.

    Then they came for You—and there was no one left to speak for You.

    ( a variation on Martin Niemoller’s famous poem).

  • AKLady

    Corporation for Public Broadcasting is backing a program through Wisconsin Public Television called “Veterans Coming Home” — which includes a series depicting what some of the 2.5 million veterans endure as they reenter society, but also funds services, such as job fairs, for returning vets.

    Agency cost per American: $1.37

  • AKLady

    Minority Business Development Agency helps minority-owned businesses “with the capital, contracts, and markets they need to grow
    Agency cost per America: $0.11

  • AKLady

    Economic Development Administration supports distressed communities with their infrastructure needs that will help drive regional growth.
    Agency cost per American: $0.66

  • AKLady

    International Trade Administration helps American businesses sell more products to overseas markets.
    Agency cost per American: $1.60

  • AKLady

    Manufacturing Extension Partnership this is a public-private partnership that helps small to medium-size manufacturers become more efficient, build new products, and improve sales and marketing techniques.
    Agency cost per American: $0.43

  • AKLady

    Office of Community Oriented Policing Services is dedicated to hiring more police personnel to help local communities improve their policing.
    Agency cost per American: $0.88

  • AKLady

    Office of Violence Against Women grant programs created through the 1994 Violence Against Women Act, in an effort to reduce domestic violence, sexual assault and dating violence. Agency grants fund police training and hire of additional officers.
    Agency cost per American $1.48

  • AKLady

    Legal Services Corporation helps poor Americans afford legal services
    Cost per American $1.55

  • My country

    Well that’s exactly what we have . A healthcare that destroyed this country .They never intended to come up with a good plan as long as they could con the American people into believing it was for the poor . This is a socialist communist form of medical care . It’s and absolute insult to every American to be made to buy a product of any kind which is what this is . With the outcome being you can go to jail after refusing to buy for three times . Insurance companies are nothing but loan sharks who are getting their side deal payoffs . All of this is at the expense of certain people of our society . Most of the Obamacare was done and is paying for illegals .

  • Timothy

    They need to just REPEAL the health care act !!! They had the repeal bill on obummers desk and he refused to sign, put it on President Trump’s desk and lets see what happens!!!
    Or just let in implode and let the false claim democrats take the blame however we all know that they had NOTHING to do with what is wrong with the health care law !!!
    On the other hand maybe if we did not have so many illegal invaders getting FREE hand outs health care may just be affordable !!!

  • MichaelZZ

    HEALTH CARE

    FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
    Does everyone have an altruistic “right” to health care, and, if so, why?
    Does a society have a pragmatic economic rationale to provide health care for all its citizens?

    PROBLEM: Escalating health care costs, and the insecurities of the populace regarding health care.

    PROVENANCE: Greed, inefficiencies, ignorance, etceteras
    1) Greed includes fraud on the part of providers and patients: controls and severe penalties should be legislated to mitigate.
    2) Inefficiencies include, but are not limited to, inefficient utilization of personnel, equipment and facilities, administrative overhead, and profit motive on steroids.
    3) Ignorance on the part of providers and patients can be mitigated by a massive computerization of information, i.e., the “mind” of the computer is vastly superior to providers and should be made available to patients and providers.
    4) Etceteras to include, but not be limited to, better nutrition, responsibilities and behavior of recipients of health care, and preventative care.

    RESOLUTION: To be determined, subsequent to analyzing the problem

    DISCUSSION

    I believe that the Obama Administration is correct in recognizing that the accelerating cumulative costs of health care in our nation must be addressed.

    Since we know where we are regarding this problem, most energies should be devoted to determining where we should be.

    We must analyze the logistics and economics for the purpose of determining the most efficient and effective method of delivering health care, cost effectively.

    First, a decision must be made as to who will bear the burden of the costs of health care.

    The possibilities include businesses, the recipients of health care services, or the government.

    If it were determined that all costs should be borne by businesses, the good would be that employees would receive health care at no cost, whereas the bad would be that the costs of providing health care would be included in the costs of goods and services produced, which would necessitate higher selling prices for those goods and services than if there were no health care costs.

    For those businesses that compete against similar businesses in other nations, their ability to compete would be adversely affected versus if they did not have the burden of those health care costs.

    Within a competitive world economy, the United States of America should be considered as U.S.A., Inc. and would be competing against Japan, Inc., China, Inc., et cetera, thus it would make pragmatic economic sense to mitigate costs of goods produced.

    If it were determined that all costs should be borne by the recipients of health care services, economic pressures would be placed upon businesses to increase employees’ remuneration to enable them to pay for their health care, thus whether the costs are paid by businesses or employees, the cost to produce goods will include the cost of health care.

    If it were determined that all health care costs should be borne by the government, the good would be that all employees would have health care, and businesses would have their costs to produce goods and services devoid of any health care costs, while the bad would be that the government would inherit the obligation to fund these massive health care costs. Incredibly important benefits would be the sense of security of the populace, which would affect all other aspects of their lives and the enhanced competitiveness of businesses competing internationally.

    The transitioning from where we are to where we should be would cause serious upheavals and dislocations, e.g., employment reconfigurations, but subsequently we will have sophisticated and fine-tuned our current disparate montage of health care to an efficient and cost-effective system for the delivery of health care.

    Our leaders are involved in the process of searching for the correct paradigm regarding the delivery of health care for our nation. Unfortunately, they appear to be in a triage quagmire effort rather than resolving to discover the appropriate paradigm. They are attempting to reconfigure a condemned edifice, rather than tearing down the walls and allowing the light of day to expose truth.

    Economics, rather than politics, religion, et cetera must be the leading factor directing our leaders to the correct paradigm, i.e., where we should be.

    mz
    02/25/10
    Last modified: 01/28/17
    mikiesmoky@aol.com

    • AntiGOP

      World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems

      #1 France

      The health care system in France is made up of a fully-integrated network of public hospitals, private hospitals, doctors and other medical service providers.
      It is a universal service providing health care for every citizen, irrespective of wealth, age or social status.

      universal service = SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM

      30 Canada
      31 Finland
      32 Australia
      33 Chile
      34 Denmark
      35 Dominica
      36 Costa Rica
      37 USA

      There isn’t a single country in the World with a Free Market System

      NOT ONE

      The Conservative Republican Free Market System proposed…

      You can call it Death Care.

      Because you will be dead before they CARE.

      • AntiGOP

        If you want to know why costs are spiraling out of control…talk to Rick Scott…Gov of FL.

        Rick Scott ‘oversaw the largest Medicare fraud’ in U.S. history

        Scott’s prior tenure as CEO of Columbia/HCA about a decade ago, when the hospital company was fined $1.7 billion for Medicare fraud.

        Keep in mind…that was just the FINE…not what was actually stolen from the American Tax Payer.
        *****************************************************
        If you think thats the only CASE…thinks again…there are thousands more.
        Just take the measly fine of 1.7 billion times 10.

        And there are thousands more.!!!!!
        ************************************************
        And now he’s Gov of Florida….

        Oh one more thing, 7 people went to jail.

        Here read for yourselves…not that I think you could read that much.

        http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/mar/03/florida-democratic-party/rick-scott-rick-scott-oversaw-largest-medicare-fra/

      • AntiGOP

        #1 France

        The health care system in France is made up of a fully-integrated network of public hospitals, private hospitals, doctors and other medical service providers.
        It is a universal service providing health care for every citizen, irrespective of wealth, age or social status.

        universal service = SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM

        IOW
        A French Citizen can get the finest health care in the world and goto any Hospital or Doctor of your choice anywhere in the Country anytime of day.

        NO FUCKING BULLSHIT.

        And here’s the funny part…their Socialized System costs less, much much less then ours…per capita.

        And the only reason we don’t have the same system…is because of shitheads like you people in our country.

        That SIMPLE..!!!

    • AntiGOP

      MichaelZZ
      Our leaders are involved in the process of searching for the correct paradigm regarding the delivery of health care for our nation. Unfortunately, they appear to be in a triage quagmire effort rather than resolving to discover the appropriate paradigm. They are attempting to reconfigure a condemned edifice, rather than tearing down the walls and allowing the light of day to expose truth.
      ***********************************************************************
      You could have shortened your diatribe to the bullshit above which would have made the analysis that you haven’t a fucking clue…that much quicker.

      Next time…instead of throwing Jello at the wall to see what sticks…just eat it..!!!

      • MichaelZZ

        #1 – you are a sick being – fewer of you would enhance this planet and perhaps the Universe
        #2 – apparently, you didn’t take the time to read the piece or you are unable to comprehend what you read….

        how very sad….
        stay away from any living beings….many thankx

        • AntiGOP

          I read your horse shit I’m not the one that’s sick here.

          “They are attempting to reconfigure a condemned edifice”…WTF

          That’s how you talk about Healthcare.

          Better yet…

          “they appear to be in a triage quagmire effort ”

          Let me once again get to the point at hand….you haven’t a fucking clue.

          Because if you did…you wouldn’t have admitted to the author of the diatribe above.

          IOW It’s not…the bullshit you make it out to be…you know the same crap this clan pukes everyday.

          Now go build your out house and be sure you start with the ROOF and work your way DOWN.

          OMG the idiots abound here.

          • MichaelZZ

            You should know “horse shit” as apparently you are embedded in the stuff.

            REPEATING (you still won’t understand):
            “apparently, you didn’t take the time to read the piece or you are unable to comprehend what you read….”

            AND…………………….
            PLEASE stay away from any living beings….
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          • AntiGOP

            MichaelZZ AntiGOP • 8 minutes ago
            You should know “horse shit” as apparently you are embedded in the stuff.
            ***********************************************************************************************

            No you little fuckhead…

            I’m embedded in Life & Health Insurance…

            IOW I do know the definition of Insurance…

            Unlike yourself.!!!!!

          • MichaelZZ

            Ah ha!!!!!!!!!

            Maybe you did read and understand and you don’t like the only rational conclusion, BECAUSE you have an ax to grind…, i.e., you sell health insurance.

            You can’t “think” due to the stench in which you are encased. lol

            Enjoy your recycled lunch………………

          • AntiGOP

            Ah ha!!!!!!!!!

            Maybe you did read and understand…
            Yupper and a total waste of time..only 5 seconds

            and you don’t like the only rational conclusion
            It’s not a conclusion you have…it a delusion.

            BECAUSE you have an ax to grind…
            Really no axes, that’s your fort’e

            , i.e., you sell health insurance.
            And I make more money in a day then you make all year…or maybe longer. LOL

            You can’t “think” due to the stench in which you are encased. lol
            Enjoy your recycled lunch..

            Ah there you go show your intelligence.!!!

            Stuffed and dunked…

  • Walter Flatt

    WHAT DID WE DO WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT FORCEING US TO DO ANYTHING, WE WORKED HARD AT FARMING, IF WE EAT, WE ALSO WENT OUT AND WORKED AT JOBS TO MAKE MONEY IF WE HAD ANYTHING, IT WAS A SHAME TO HAVE TO TAKE GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS, FAMILY TOOK CARE OF FAMILY INSTEAD OF EXPECTING THE GOVERNMENT TO DO IT. WE LOVED ONE ANOTHER AND HELPED ONE ANOTHER. GOVERNMENT HAS CHANGED ALL THAT. WE DONT NEED ANYTHING, EXCEPT INSURANCE TO PAY FOR OPERATIONS, A PRACTICING DOCTOR NEVER HEALED ANYONE, ALL THEY DO IS PRACTICE MEDICINE, IF ONE DONT WORK, THEY PRESCRIBE ANOTHER, THE ONLY DOCTOR THAT REALLY HELPS IS THE ONE THAT OPERATES.

  • GODBlessRealAmerica!
  • Netencho

    Repeal all of the Obama’s bullshit…. which has been a disaster and tax credit to the illegals, mainly the Muslims, on the expense of the American people!!

  • Dale

    But, who will pay for the emergency rooms cost when these folks get sick or in an accident, US taxpayers, of course……..