Traditional Marriage Group Accused of Hate Speech…on Catholic Campus











A student group at Georgetown University was forced to appear before a Student Activities Commission hearing last week after two LGBT activists complained that their were promoting hostility towards gay people with their support of traditional marriage. This is the kind of nonsense one might expect from a public school, but it is worth noting that Georgetown is a private, Catholic university that presumably continues to support official Church doctrine – which includes the belief that marriage is between one man and one woman.

The Christian group, which is called Love Saxa, defended its right to exist after two students – Justin Gasman and Jasmin Ouseph – claimed that the group was “fostering hated or intolerance of others” by promoting a traditional view of marriage and sexuality. Thankfully sanity prevailed at Thursday’s hearing and the SAC determined that no sanctions would be brought against Love Saxa. Unfortunately, that determination does not necessarily close the matter, which can and likely will still be reviewed by the Georgetown administration.

The original complaint against the group was filed in September after Amelia Irvine, the president of Love Saxa, wrote an open-ed in the student paper outlining the group’s beliefs. “Love Saxa’s definition of marriage does not include same-sex couples, as we believe that marriage is a conjugal union on every level – emotional, spiritual, physical, and mental – directed toward caring for biological children,” Irvine wrote. “To us, marriage is much more than commitment of love between two consenting adults.”

Love Saxa’s definition of marriage is not far removed from official Catholic doctrine, so it’s difficult to understand why or how it could be considered controversial by Georgetown standards. Nonetheless, the complaint was filed and taken seriously by administrators, posing a threat, Love Saxa’s attorneys believe, to freedom of religion on campus. In an interview with The Daily Caller, Casey Mattox of the Alliance Defending Freedom, said that while he was gratified by the decision of the SAC, the hearings should have never been held to begin with.

“I think what’s happening here is this is punishment by process,” Mattox said. “This complaint came to Georgetown and Georgetown permitted these students to be put through for several weeks of this attempt to silence them on campus because of what they believe. And that’s ultimately the fault of Georgetown.”

Mattox went on to say that the ramifications of these sorts of processes went far beyond the limited scope of the Georgetown dispute.

“For all of us, this is our future,” he told The Daily Caller. “Today’s students are going to be tomorrow’s judges, and legislators, and voters. So it’s critically important that they understand how to function in a world where people disagree with you and have different views. And if that’s not happening on college campuses then we’re in trouble – the rest of us are in trouble going forward.”

 

 


  • gotabgood

    At a Catholic Campus no less…. I bet they got all up in “arms”.. fighting mad….
    A church in Southernland Springs, Texas, wished that was all that happened… but you see… a gun was involved in this church!! 26 people were killed while in God’s House… The dead included children..
    Mom’s and Dad’s………. what will be your thoughts when your son or daughter says they want to go to a concert? Or heaven forbid if they want to go to a shopping mall…. going to a movie is out of the question.. Ahhhh I will quit work and home school you, the schools are becoming a battle ground. You want to know about God, I will teach you.
    Do you care about what is happening to our society? Do you really think that at birth they should strap a six shooter to your hips?
    Is there any common sense left in our gun happy society? True story… I knew a guy that would strap a gun on while at home, watching TV or doing house chores…. does any one know the meaning of paranoia ?
    How many know someone that was killed by one of these mass shootings? I know it has to be getting close to someones home….. If you don’t do something now…. it will get closer, even at your door.
    I am not picking on Texas, but a couple of years ago, another paranoid woman, was scared Obama was going to take her guns away… she called a family meeting, and she shot and killed both of her daughters…..
    Do something NOW! The next phone call you get maybe telling you that your son or daughter won’t be coming home………ever!

    • Retired

      Yup , got a phone call today a distant relative got killed by a car . Lets ban cars !!! It is evident the guy needed help . he was refused a license to carry . Maybe we should outlaw divorce seeing he was having family problems ????

      • gotabgood

        Sarcasm works both ways… let’s hope it doesn’t come to your home..

        • Retired

          The Obama juice really got to you , fried brain cells.

      • will

        That is my biggest worry that a car accident will get mine. You are more likely to be struck by lighting than be shot in a mass shooting

    • guitarman122763

      You,ll get your gun ban when Christ returns ,,,Their will be alot of other bans also …

  • gotabgood
    • Retired

      So where is the list of all those killed by suicide and all those killed by cars . Shall we take Alcohol off the Market as well as Cars and motor cycles ????

      • Justin Seine

        Don’t forget tall buildings. People jump off them and people throw other people off them.

        • Retired

          That is why so many have installed partitions or wont let people out on top .

        • gotabgood

          If 600 people were being thrown off a building.. I would think someone would step up and stop him… besides after 300.. he ought to be getting tired… dumbshit!

          • guitarman122763

            shut up

          • ABO

            Words of wisdom from the village idiot, gotabamoron.

          • gotabgood

            Just following along in Mr. Beaver’s made up scenario.

          • ABO

            It would seem that you have as usual no intelligent response, and so you engage in sarcasm and when that fails you start with the insults and accusations. Congratulations, Dimwit, you’ve failed yet again. Well done.

          • gotabgood

            I think you have a problem with the English language. This is what I said…
            “Just following along in Mr. Beaver’s made up scenario.”
            Maybe I should have called him by his real name… Justin Seine, but I could resist the Justin Beaver… oh well that I am guilty of.
            BUT, you accuse me of sarcasm, insulting you, accused you, and then you called me a dimwit… where in what you responded to do you get ANY OF THAT CRAP YOU JUST ACCUSED ME OF?????????????

          • ABO

            Nowhere did I say that you insulted me, I was speaking of your response to Justin Seine in which you insulted him. Anyone with a normal, functioning brain could have followed that without difficulty. Apparently I have to explain everything to you repeatedly and in great detail until you get it (or more often don’t) and you accuse me of having a problem with the English language??? I suggest you avail yourself of a remedial course in reading comprehension, Dimwit.

      • gotabgood

        So if a person dies from like the idiot below said to out law tall building, then it is open season for any and all things… lift the speed limits… let’s start a war with Canada and Mexico.. no water to cross and don’t have to fly so far. Don’t like the new paint job on your neighbors house, burn it down.. of course with them locked inside!
        We have laws for a reason.. to keep idiots like you and this Justin Beaver from hurting themselves and other people…… In case you haven’t noticed There are people dying at the hands of idiots…
        Asking the rightwing to use common sense is like asking the rightwing to tell the truth…… AIN’T HAPPENIN !

        • Dutch

          The murderer that you’re referring to in the Baptist church in Texas didn’t have the ‘right to carry’. He was already breaking the law by having a gun in his possession. What law could we make to prevent this from happening. Don’t say we should outlaw guns. He still would have found a way to get one. What stricter gun law can you come up with that would stop the gun crimes in Chicago. Please let us know.

        • guitarman122763

          focus moron,,

        • Retired

          Maybe you need to go sign in at the nearest mental institution , oh I forgot the Democrats do not want them and put them on the streets instead including our veterans because insurance won’t pay . Billy Boy through Obama did nothing to improve mental health coverage . Just like the latest kick take the medicine away from the people and leave the borders open for the Opiods to com in . More are dying from illegal drugs than the medicine , but yet they lump them all together because the insurance Co. do not want to pay for them .

          • gotabgood

            Quite the contrary, the Democrats covered the mentally handicap too…. (the republicans) hahaha
            But seriously it is you people that keep cutting the funding for medical research and coverage.. own up to your screwups!
            More homeless, more drug users… are your words… but even so they just came through the worse economic disaster since the great depression from lil’ bush. He should allow lil’ bush to own that also!!

          • Retired

            Would not have had 2008 if Democrats had not Driven Manufacturing out of the USA , your buddy Billy Boy sat by and watched it happen and did nothing .

          • gotabgood

            You really don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about…President Clinton left billions of dollars in surplus when he left office.
            he created more jobs than Reagan, and both bush’s.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0dd4266085128bb257a0c789a6c065b4f81de57cce66ad2eebe3ae6aa3fe14ca.png
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7c6c981e4d8b5eab44b36549c92017bbd1ae5f04dfce2aa7d22fdd2e0594c97b.png

          • Retired

            Boy that is really funny ::: So many lost jobs and benefits during Clintons term and the hardest hit were the 50+ that could not find jobs , and the ones that could the wages was half of what they made before . People ended up using savings to keep their house which most lost later on . Then there was Bush and his war that guys and gals were activated and when they came home their jobs were gone as well as the Companies they had worked for . that all lead up to the 2008 melt down . Clinton and Bush made sure the Bankers and loan leaders were protected and the Tax payer would bail them out .

          • gotabgood

            Evidently your information is wrong… Maybe you should think about that for a minute before you comment.

            ” People ended up using savings to keep their house which most lost later on”
            That was the happening under Reagan’s watch…
            S&L went bankrupt, farmers went bankrupt after phony land manipulation, Black Monday. And he gave the rich a 42% tax cut… someone had to pick that tab up…… it was middle class…away went their savings….. he showed a way to break the unions…. away went the wages and hours worked and benefits.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1ecf45357b3ae05ff1de6e6c7ffdd727a6dd65ed8d49bceade22820abba4af09.png

      • 4freedom

        Do yourself a favor block this fool.

      • ernldo

        GotabeGay again…Hopelessly stupid.

      • will

        Define mass shooting and you will see gang fight are the majority – not random massacre

      • will

        65% of gun deaths are suicide so to distort the numbers they are included with which is wrong. When you remove suicides 65%, accidental 3%, Police and self defence 9% the figure is not what they want you to believe. The other 23% about 9,500 50% are killed by 3% of the population black males 17 to 34 in age.

        • Retired

          That is same garbage we have now with drugs , take the medicine and blame all the overdoses on that and leave the border wide open for the Illegal drugs that is killing the people more than the Prescription Medicine .

    • guitarman122763

      yeah ,,and what does this have to do with same sex unholy marriage ?

    • GrizzMann

      Time to bar Democrats from obtaining guns.

  • gotabgood

    SPOILER ALERT…
    If you can handle any truth AT ALL.. you will enjoy this and even get a laugh… but if you are in COMPLETE DENIAL…. this will piss you off!!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OZIOE6aMBk

  • Marriage as defined by God, is between one man and one woman.

    Cupcakes need to take this up with God.

    • Rich Girod

      on a different subject-Do you think Putin is a communist?

      • Phil Esposito

        WTF?

        • Rich Girod

          question wasn’t meant for you it was directed to MAHB001-he understands

      • Tiger
      • Morton99

        Putin is a fascist. The Communist party does not exist in Russia. In time it is possible that Putin will declare himself a Czar.

        • Rich Girod

          Thanks for your input-

          However-

          question wasn’t meant for you it was directed to MAHB001-he understands

        • Rich Girod

          Quote you-“The Communist party does not exist in Russia. ”

          Hate to burst you bubble-

          https://www.britannica.com/topic/Communist-Party-of-the-Soviet-Union

          But ,then, most people on the comment section ignore facts-

          • Morton99

            Girod, Again I say it does not exist in Russia. It is no more communist than the Fascist Third Reich was socialist – which styled itself as the National Socialist Party of Germany or the party of Sadam Hussein – formally the Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party. It was as we know a junta run by a murderous fascist tyrant.
            Putin coopted the straggling remnants of the Communist party in order to consolidate his leadership. The Kremlin consists of Putin buddies, oligarchs, who have honorary party memberships of an organization that is nothing of the sort.

          • ABO

            Again you have proven yourself to be a typical, ill informed, dimwit. Not the least bit interested in the truth or facts but fully shackled to the intentional disinformation dealt you by your lefty heroes.

          • Morton99

            I shackle myself to facts, not ideologies. Try again.

          • ABO

            If that were even remotely true it would be reflected in your comments…

          • Morton99

            It is difficult to discuss anything with someone who behaves like a draught horse with blinders on. Trot off now and try and insult someone else.

          • ABO

            Oh, but Morty, you are so well qualified. It is very difficult to find one as ridiculously pathetic as yourself and the brainless responses are just so entertaining. Oh and what you considered an insult was simply a matter of pointing out your apparent inability to deal with the simple truth.

          • NavymanBill

            And self-justification for your aberrant lifestyle.

          • Deby

            Other way around Morty, be honest at least.

          • boone1

            Morton is liberal and to lazy too look up anything.

          • ABO

            Boone, the liberal/regressive ideology is built on a foundation whose cornerstones are dishonesty, deceit, hypocrisy and hatred. Morty is a fine example of the breed.

          • Chi Sam

            Too. The word is ‘too’, stupid.

          • Patriot2theCore

            Morton, the Third Reich WAS Socialist.

          • will

            What year was that book pub

        • ABO

          “The Communist party does not exist in Russia”. Unarguable proof that you are indeed a complete idiot as I have suspected for some time now. Perhaps you should hire some four year old to teach you how to do your homework as you are obviously not able to figure it out on your own.

          • NavymanBill

            ABO, A totally idiotic comment from genius Morton99-concur. “The Communist party doesn’t exist in Russia.” ??? Really? I have relatives who travel there all the time(airlines) They say the Communist presence is still in full force. But I guess when you’re a 22 year old genius like Morton99, as you have learned the past eight years, you can just make up your own facts, if you don’t like the real ones! A child.

          • ABO

            It would seem that little Morty just can’t be bothered with the truth. Too much trouble researching the facts. Just make something up and pass it off as the truth. Seems you’ve got him pegged, NavymanBill.

      • My answer is I don’t know. Actually, I put it in the category of what difference does it make?
        I look at all the Governments that have a supreme ruler/king/czar/dictator as a form of Communist state. My standards are not as rigid as yours.

        Communism – Marxist-Leninist system.

        the Marxist-Leninist version of a classless society in which capitalism is overthrown by a working-class revolution that gives ownership and control of wealth and property to the state.

        Kings fit that description, so do dictators, so does Communism, Fascism,

        Basically these are Governments where the people are enslaved by a ruler which is a fallible human. In contrast, our Constitution supports a government Of the people, By the people, and For the people….

        Let me add that Socialism does not exist. it always falls to a form of communism.

        • Rich Girod

          What would Yuri say? WWYS

      • boone1

        Dumb ass black boy.

      • will

        he is closer to fascist

    • Morton99

      Marriage is not defined by God. In the bible it has about as many variations as you can imagine.

      • tbrec63387

        And all of them include at least one male and one female. So what’s your point?

        • Morton99

          I was answering Mahb001 where he stated ‘Marriage as defined by God, is between one man and one woman’

          God didn’t define marriage, obviously. It had many variations and just because the Jews found homosexuality unappealing is not evidence that God did.
          There is a compelling argument that God provided that functionality for reasons not yet revealed by him, or more accurately, the First Council of Nicea assembled the Christian Bible containing the New Testament. It was not assembled by God, but by priests after much argument – retaining some scriptures and chucking out others.
          We do not know how much was discarded on marriage forms which they disapproved of.

          • NavymanBill

            The Jews didn’t find homosexuality “unappealing” . They KNEW that if it were promoted, the race/species would die out.

          • Morton99

            Surely you are not suggesting that once tried – heterosexual men would all become gay ? That is pretty absurd even for a conservative.

          • NavymanBill

            Can’t say . I’ve never tried it. Obviously you have, and found it agree-able, and defendable!! . Are YOU gay? Are you married to a woman? Do you have children? (I answer yes to the second and third questions) Back in those times, as in most primitive societies, they knew that homosexuality was an aberration and the tribes accepted them and protected them but they stayed amongst themselves.Marriage, even in a primitive society, was understood to be about continuing the family/tribe/society. But by all means, if you want to be gay, be GAY!! It doesn’t make you a bad person!!!

          • Morton99

            But you just DID suggest that that !!!!! LOL !

            ” They KNEW that if it were promoted, the race/species would die out.”

          • NavymanBill

            So I guess that makes it okay in your eyes. Obviously gay and looking to justify your lifestyle. Thankfully, you probably won’t reproduce.

          • Morton99

            No it just makes you look stupid and unable to say anything intelligent. Its not my fault if you did not mean to suggest that.

          • NavymanBill

            No , you’re just looking to justify your deviant lifestyle. I’ve read some of the stupid and un-informed things you have said here, little boy. (Like Communism not existing in Russia) You really need to go play with the other children, or find a new boyfriend, and avoid getting in over your head.

          • Morton99

            Oh get over yourself navy boy – there’s no reason to dig yourself into the dumb as shit hole. And name calling is the last resort of the stupid.

          • NavymanBill

            No, “Morton99” I’ve just known too many gay people who would DO ANYTHING to justify their lifestyle . We all understand you. You get off on coming to these sites. It gives your empty life some meaning. I don’t have to call you names. As for stupid, your childish comments and lack of experience just led me to call you what you are. A child.

          • Deby

            Well said Bill (and true)-but alas, Morty the gay boy still thinks he is quite the legend–in his own mind of course.

          • NavymanBill

            Thanks, Deby, “Morton99” thinks he knows a few things because he graduated from college, and his testicles descended. Other people on here are well educated also, and have been around A LOT longer.

          • b glad

            Stupid is as stupid does. You just convicted yourself.

          • Marie Mitchell

            NavymanBill…I wouldn’t want Morton playing with my children.

          • NavymanBill

            Look at all of the great societies in ancient history. When the men started only having sex with other men, and the women with women, as in Greece and in Rome, the society declined. What I was saying-you took me out of context, gay-boy, was that they KNEW it was bad-an aberration-to be accepted by necessity, but NOT approved of. But don’t let me stop you. Just don’t be anybody’s parent.(though there’s probably not much chance of THAT happening! (LOL, LOL,LOL)

          • boone1

            The queers want to push their life style on the rest of us and that right there makes them bad people.

          • NavymanBill

            boone, that was a joke. Back in the day before homosexuality got foisted on all of us as being acceptable, the homosexuals would say “but it doesn’t make me a BAD person!” morton99 understood. He didn’t even respond when I asked him if he was gay! It would have negated his argument.

          • justbanjojim

            They want special rights because they are gay and lesbian. And that is not right.

          • JSIVO

            YOU HIT IT ON THE NAIL…….DON’T FORCE YOUR BELIEFS ON ANYONE. LIBS ARE TRYING TO FORCE THEIR AGENDA ON ALL. THERE REALLY NO SUCH THING AS GAY “MARRIAGE” . THEY GET A LICENSE SO THEY CAN RECEIVE THEIR PARTNERS FEDERAL BENEFITS SS AND HEALTHCARE ETC. I REALLY DON’T KNOW OF ANY RELIGION “ATHEIST MAYBE” WHO WILL PERFORM A MARRIAGE BETWEEN 2 MEN OR 2 WOMEN. I HAVE NO OBJECTION OF UNIONS BUT DON’T CALL IT MARRIAGE. UNLESS YOU REALLY WANT TO GET WEIRD ON ME AND BECOME A SICK TRANSGENDER THE YOU COULD PROCREATE. GROSS

          • RC

            Conservative? Are you sure you got that word right? Seems more liberal to me.

          • boone1

            You must be QUEER to say bullshit like that.

          • William Gordon

            No True

          • justbanjojim

            Even the murderous muslums will kill every queer or lesbian they can find and they are actively looking for them. I will give them that.

          • Patriot2theCore

            Marriage is defined by GOD

          • Morton99

            Whose God ? Its all over the place in the bible.

          • boone1

            I think your god is the blow job you give.

          • justbanjojim

            That comment is filthy and disgusting.

          • b glad

            There is only One God.

          • justbanjojim

            The God of the Jews and Christians. Muslums don’t count as they have no god only Muhammad. I think I spelled his name correctly.

          • Morton99

            Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews. They even acknowledge Jesus as an early prophet – but Muhammad gets the title of The Prophet. (the most important one)

          • boone1

            Very true.

          • SILENTHAMMER

            Morton 99, actually and “obviously”, God DID find homosexuality anathema — Sodom (LGBT’s favorite biblical vacation destination) and Gamorrah were RAZED because the homosexual men there would not relent from their common practice. Burned to the ground after Lot and most of his heterosexual family escaped at the Angel’s warning. And in Genesis 2:23-25, God made a perfect match for Adam from his rib, so that she would be “flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone”, indicating equality. Further, “This is why a man LEAVES his father and mother and CLINGS (or CLEAVES) to his WIFE and they become ONE BODY”. Do you NEED more biblical evidence that GOD intended MARRIAGE to be between MAN and WOMAN, and that HOMOSEXUALITY is an abomination to GOD such that those in Sodom and Gamorrah were BURNED ALIVE? And to the point of this article, persons who want SIN to be acceptable will go to no limits to justify it. But the SIN is still the SIN, and the self-idolators KNOW it. The ONLY reason for men to have a penis is for procreation. The PLEASURE of it is the surface attraction so that men and women would LIKE TO procreate. But given the normal result of intercourse, God MADE IT SACRED, between the man and woman, COVENANTED BY GOD’S BLESSING AND PRESENCE in the wedding, so that the “ONE BODY” which is the result would be cared for and cherished because God wants Children to SURVIVE and thrive. Is THAT clear enough. Stop lying.

          • Morton99

            There is a general conclusion among scholars that neither Sodom nor Gomorrah ever existed except as fantasies – sort of like ancient pornography.

          • SILENTHAMMER

            Oh, and I’m SURE Thomas Aquinas, Augustine, Jerome, Ratzinger, Wojtwa and so many more were NOT scholars?

          • SILENTHAMMER

            And, BTW, Mort, you make no sense, and until you do, you’ll have to entertain the other respondents who need to make you look even MORE inane. So…..’BYE.

          • boone1

            Need to block morton99. The dude needs to change his name to queer99

          • cal3301

            Just click on his name and hit the three dots behind it!!!

          • justbanjojim

            Gay as he seems to be he is entitled to annoy us.

          • AKLady

            Oh, yes, insulting people who do not share your belief system.
            I suspect you claim to be a Christian.

          • Dale Morrison

            Lmao hell yea

          • AKLady

            I suggest that you obtain an updated biology education.

          • Morton99

            C20 scholars who have the vast array of technology to date, explore, xray and study historical manuscripts. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that Sodom or Gomorrah ever existed – which is very unusual because artifacts and cross references to almost all other historical places are validated.

          • b glad

            Of course they found nothing. When God destroys, God destroys.

          • AKLady

            One of the favorite excuses.
            Problem: Some biblical claims have been documented.

          • AKLady

            Typical response by a Christian in name only.

          • justbanjojim

            Morton, what is a C20 scholar? I plead ignorance. New entire cities are being discovered all the time. A huge area called ‘Gobeki Tepi has recently and dated to 9,500 BC. That is way before the Pyramids. Do you also believe in the Garden of Eden? If yes, please explain Lilith. And you damned women got us thrown out of Eden by eating the one fruit you were told by God himself, NOT to eat. You ate a bite, then stupid Adam, had a bite. And here we are today. I am a heterosexual and NOT a homosexual. I just don’t think you people deserve special rights.

          • Morton99

            C20 is 20th Century. If you read more you would recognize that.
            1. I am not a homosexual.
            2. I think that homophobia is a sickness
            3. Attempting to demean those who do not share the same beliefs as yourself is the height of ignorance.
            4. I believe that the source of most human evil emanates from religious beliefs.
            For that reason I am not a believer in organized religious silliness.

          • alevanpa

            Many people would disagree with saying homosexuality is not
            a mental illness: Not that I personally care about one’s sexual orientation, but there are very intelligent people who do.

            Also, are you open to Nazi or Fascistic beliefs, or do you condemn them? I, personally, would sure “condemn” their beliefs, and I hope that you would, too.

            Furthermore, please read some history-especially modern history. You will find that proponents of atheism have been the most tyrannical and homicidal group of miscreants the world has ever seen.

          • AKLady

            Wrong. Homosexuality is not listed as an illness in the DSM-IV.
            You need to update your education.

          • alevanpa

            I’m sorry that you misunderstood what I wrote. I did not say that Psychiatry claimed homosexuality was an illness. I said “many people” do. I tried to say I did not think so, either, but, after rereading what I wrote, I see that I was not really clear about anything that I wrote.

            In fact, I do know what Psychiatry says about homosexuality. So, Please excuse me, if I have upset you. I think I must have been very tired.

          • Morton99

            Definition of homophobia (Merriam Webster)

            :irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
            — homophobic play ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bik adjective

          • alevanpa

            What’s your point? Homophobia is still not a sickness.

          • Morton99

            anything that is irrational – or has ‘phobia’ in it is a mental illness. Not enough perhaps to lock you in an asylum, but enough to look for irrational and sometimes dangerous behavior. In view of the current focus of conservatives to seek out people with mental issues to prohibit their ability to buy or possess firearms – this is clearly a candidate.

          • Morton99

            Definition of homophobia in English: (Oxford)

            homophobia
            NOUN

            mass noun
            Dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.
            Example sentences
            ‘Strategies to confront class inequality, sexism, racism and homophobia started to be discussed.’
            ‘Unfortunately, society as a whole is still homophobic and there is homophobia in the Church.’
            ‘She is hardly the first woman to battle sexism and homophobia in the ring.’
            ‘I wrote about coming out in the family and about the insidious homophobia of siblings.’
            ‘In other words, homophobia is to gays and lesbians what racism is to people of color.’
            ‘To purposefully remove such material from the syllabus can surely only lead to homophobia or ignorance in the minds of pupils?’
            ‘It’s not subtly or covertly homophobic for a soap to have a gay character experience homophobia, is it?’
            ‘At the same time, I counted more casual/ clusmy homophobia in the American media than ever before.’
            ‘It was a time of rampant discrimination, racism, homophobia and sexism.’
            ‘I want to remind people that homophobia stills exist and that we still must watch out.’
            ‘While the police once raided gay clubs to arrest people, today they cruise them to encourage the reporting of homophobia.’
            ‘It remains true that homophobia should not be encouraged any more than any other phobia.’
            ‘The erosion of homophobia by degrees will take many decades more.’
            ‘I lost a career in law enforcement and later one in accounting due to homophobia.’
            ‘The conference discussed the impact of sexism, racism, homophobia and war on women.’
            ‘Acts of racism, homophobia, xenophobia or just plain discrimination happen all the time.’
            ‘The situation has changed a lot, but homophobia runs deep in this society.’
            ‘Though the film’s homophobia, bullying and brutality are fictional, they resonate with truth.’
            ‘Many young people are taking an active role in fighting homophobia and intolerance.’
            ‘Along with the atrocity of holy wars, there are other questionable things such as sexism, racism and homophobia.’

          • Deplorable wizard

            C20 is a pc term for indoctrinated “scholar”. When looking at 5000 plus years of history, don’t you think the documented and varified historic record written by SCHOLARS who have lived before the 20th century should be examined?
            Sodom and gamorah were real, and destroyed by God. Do you think that God would just kill the people and leave the cities?
            Not too bright are you.

            Then let’s go the non theological route.
            Procreation of humans can only happen between a man and a woman, barring pitri dish scientific meddling. This is a fact, period! Marriage was designed, from it’s inception, to join the the sire and dame in a unified manner to protect, care, feed, and raise their offspring to maturity. This design accomplished not just the ensurance of the offspring’s survival, but the survival of the community as well.
            So let’s look at gay marriage; the entire issue began when partners were denied certain legal benefits afforded spouses and close family members. Instead of fighting to change the law in regards to allowing equality of access in a general, the leftists decided to attack the right for their “monopoly” on civil union, a total farce. Now they are making lawyers happy and everybody as miserable as they can with divorces, alimony, etc. Not to mention claiming “homophobia” on everyone that disagrees with their demands for attention and rights beyond those of the rest of the population enjoy.
            I am not homophobic, I am a heterosexual white male that finds the forced nature of the entire lbgqrstxyz discussion just to benefit a small minority of the population at the expense of the rights of the majority, abhorrent.
            You want to be gay? I don’t care. You want to overide my rights and the rights of others? That’s a problem!
            If a baker doesn’t want to make a wedding cake, THAT’S HIS RIGHT! If a photographer doesn’t want to cover a wedding, THAT’S HIS RIGHT! If a county clerk is following the oath of office to uphold the constitution of the state and her legally given rights under the First Amendment of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, THAT’S HER RIGHT and OBLIGATION.
            These gay punks at Georgetown are the ones that should be hit with charges of hate crimes. And at the very least removed from the Catholic institution for violations of church doctrine.

          • Morton99

            1. Gospel is NOT historical record. For example we know that Genesis is a story to satisfy the curiosity of simple people.
            2. No – I think the precept that God would violently destroy a city is illogical if you want a straight answer. But it sure feels good to people who are very uncomfortable with what they view as sexual chaos. A sort of ‘watch out – that’s what will happen to you’ as if the fear of hell was not enough.
            3. Life has already been created without either a male or a female – admittedly it is very primitive but it can reproduce.
            4. Marriage carries many benefits. In fact the broader discussion is what comprises a family – legally – so that that family can receive the same benefits as a traditional family. There are so many variants – like a sibling raising a younger child. And it is in this context that gay marriages should receive the same respect – as a family – as others.
            5. I am not going to confuse the wedding cake nonsense in this discussion. The issues are quite different.
            6. The over-riding principle is that of freedom of the citizen regardless of social or religious dictates. One section of a population should not be able to impose their morality on others – using the law – or the government – based upon their beliefs.

          • Your propaganda is worse than TokyoAK’s…
            Your failure to produce anything to support your propaganda is telling.

          • Morton99

            That is quite a compliment. It forces you to question your own illusions. But that will be speeded up now that Trumpism appears to be rapidly in decline judging by yesterday’s election results..

          • Inside out, upside down, insult a compliment… The insult on the way out the door….

            Quite the Alinsky Radical aren’t you?

            BTW, I no longer believe the Elites are counting the votes…. Those elections were as rigged as the Elites could make it.

            “It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
            —-Joseph Stalin

          • Morton99

            There are as many verdicts in a jury as there are members of that jury.

          • You can not awaken someone who pretends to be asleep.

          • Morton99

            Why would you want to ? You may be irritating them

          • Just saying, you pretend to be asleep.

          • Deplorable wizard

            Ok, morrey,

            1) I was not referring to the bible as a historical reference in this matter. Numerous scholars throughout history have verified, by physical evidence, subsequent histories, correlations, and various other means, such as archeology, paleontology, and geology, that almost all the events documented in the bible did actually happen.

            2) because you are an atheist, you dare to place God on a human level. And a modern atheist to boot, considering your attitude towards sin and your obvious lack of morality. Even from a purely historical scence, the moral decay which you support has aided in the downfall of many civilizations world wide.

            3) you blew your own argument there. I talk about human life and civilization, the progresses of our species into the dominant life on the planet. You talk of plants, fish, worms, and some amphibians. How many of them have built massive cities, sky scrapers, been to the moon, built computers, and every thing else humans have done?

            4) the “broader discussion” is bringing extraneous issues into places they’re not needed. The legality of access is the sole reason of the gay marriage discussion. Access to wealth, health information and coverage are among the leading causes initially for gay marriage. Issues that were denied because the partnership was not recognized in legal documents. How is it that a millionaire could leave a fortune to her cat, legally, but peter can’t see jon in the hospital, or shirley can’t keep the house after Maude dies? It’ legal documents, that is all! So let’s look at recognition, they want to be recognized as married, to normalize the relationship in there own eyes. It is not normal. Normal IS to follow the norm, to be like everyone else. Being a small minority, by action alone, makes them by definition NOT NORMAL. It is social schizophrenia at it’s worst.

            5) the baker, the photographer, the county clerk, the Catholic institution ARE. the issue. They all faced ,or are facing the same bigoted hatred from the minority, sceaming “look at us, we’re better and the law has to protect us not you”. The law was written to protect everyone. The baker has been excluded from the law, the photographer has been denied her rights, the county clerk has literally been ordered to violate the laws, all for a decadent minority.

            6) the overriding principle IS that of freedom of the citizen, within the dictates of the law. Civilization requires laws, or chaos ensues and civilization collapses. Laws are generally, but not always, bases on morals. And like it or not, morals are bases on religios teachings. In some cultures it is moral to murder your sister if she is seen with a boy that the family does not approve of. It happens to this day. I would hope you think it barbaric and wrong, but our laws state it is wrong – strictly based on “thou shalt not commit murder”. Oh I’m sorry, that’s from the book you claim “a story to satisfy the curiosity of simple people”.
            It IS wrong for one section of the population to impose their morality, or lack thereof, on others, using bastardized versions of the law, based on their carnal desires and the self centered notions that they -the minority -should dictate to the majority.

          • Morton99

            Then let us just agree to disagree. What you see as moral decay – I see as freedom. There is simply no evidence that morality as paraphrased in the ten commandments has been violated by my point of view. The golden rule, also known as the ethic of reciprocity is intact – and that as you probably know is the basis of the ten commandments which came much later.

            Humans have advanced somewhat since they came down from the trees – but they have a marathon to run yet – if they are to survive at all. If everyone thought as you seem to – that the struggle for perfection has already been achieved if only we follow the commands of religion – then we are indeed doomed. Just consider how destructive humans already are.

          • Deplorable wizard

            What you see as freedom is forced violations of the rights and freedoms of others, by a minority attacking the majority, based on self gratification versus the improvement of the human condition overall.

            The Ten Commandments are older than the “golden rule, which is a shortened condensation of just a few of the Commandments. In a non theological view, the Commandments stem from basis rules of survival since prehistoric times. Don’t murder within the tribe because it reduces the hunting and defensive capacity of the group. Don’t sleep with anothers mate, because either by violent ends or departure, the groups survival is put at risk. And it goes on.

            Humans HAVE advanced, and only because of rules and laws such as those outlined in the bible and othe religious teachings. Morality IS the basis, and the basis IS religion, whether you care to believe it or not. Not all laws are based on the Ten Commandments, and not all Commandments have been made into modern laws. Most laws, concerning human interaction with each other, are based on other teachings in religious text. Bestiality and homosexuality are both mentioned in the bible, and both are sins – on an equal plane with each other. Yet, in your mind, and in the minds of a growing secular minority, homosexuality is not a sin because sin is for the religious, and therefore it is not amoral either. The next step for atheists IS bestiality. Every STD known to man can be traced back to beastiality.

            If we refuse to follow the law designs created by religion we are doomed, that is a fact.

          • Morton99

            I challenge you to prove your assertion. Lets take a popular misconception. That homosexuality is harmful to those who disapprove it. Lets assume that the homosexual conforms to the same rules and boundaries of heterosexuals. Now prove the harm.

          • Deplorable wizard

            You have already contradicted your own scenario. By claiming the homosexual “conforms to the same rules and boundaries of (the) heterosexual(s)”, you are very plainly stating that either all are homosexual or heterosexual.
            But, let’s go with a looser parameter. With exception of the deviant sexual behavior, said homosexual conforms in general to the same rules and laws as the majority of the population, that’s still a problem. The deviance has opened the door, so to say, to at least the options of further deviance from societal norms, and as an example for others to witness, leading those with weak wills or questionable motives to also deviate from the societal norm. In essence, an anti-societal break which in some cases may turn purely sociopathic.

            I know you cannot grasp the true meaning of my statement, because you don’t understand the true meaning of deviance. You probably think norm was just a guy on cheers, and deviance just a squiggle in a lineal sense.

            Yes, Everyone knows homosexual activity has been with man from the first time one pleasured himself. The fact that the self centered acts of self gratification have held man back from true advance, spiritually. Involving others only serves to compound the issue. For instance, how much time, effort, and money has been spent on gay marriage and the destruction of heterosexual lives, like the baker, the photographer, and everyone else effected by these attacks from the alt-left? Time, money, and resources that could have gone to better use, like the plight of the homeless, or something.

          • Morton99

            Despite your feeble attempts to avoid answering a simple question you then branch out into a defense of what you see as norms. Try and stick to the point.

          • Deplorable wizard

            Actually, morrey, I was very to the point, your point. It is you that is deflecting.
            Your very words: “.
            . .conforms to the same rules and boundaries . . .”
            That is not possible, and if you cannot see, that by choosing the deviance from the “same rules and boundries” one cannot follow them, then you truly have proven to be a near perfect MORON.

          • Morton99

            “… the same rules and boundaries of HETEROSEXUALS”
            Go on – tell me which rules could be violated. Don’t bother to include your prejudices – they are not rules – they are known as homophobia.

          • Deplorable wizard

            Ignorant little morty,
            AGAIN, I use your own words to prove you an idiot.

            “The SAME rules and boundries”, cannot be followed and violated at the SAME time.

            You are just like all the liberal bafoons! COMPLETELY SCHIZOPHRENIC! “Oh, celebrate diversity ’cause we’re all the same.”

            ONE CANNOT BE DIFFERENT AND THE SAME! “Oh, gay is the same as straight, except for the inability to procreate and insure the survival of the species, and the whole morally wrong thing.”

            More proof you are ignorant?
            A PHOBIA IS THE UNJUSTIFIED FEAR OF SOMETHING, AN IRRATIONAL FEAR, AN UNFOUNDED FEAR.

            THE key word is FEAR, I do not fear homosexuals in any way.

            You liberal idiots are pathetic.

          • Morton99

            I don’t usually say this – but you have broken my ban. You are a really stupid little troll. Do you really get off on embarrassing yourself, or can you just not help yourself ?

          • Deplorable wizard

            You truly are a loser, morty, I feel sorry for you.
            Some day I hope you wake up, real life is not the fairy tale you believe.

          • Morton99

            Well I am probably lost to your politically incorrect Trump fraud – that’s for sure.
            I guess you will have to change your avatar when Trump’s little game is up.

          • Deplorable wizard

            You are lost, that’s for sure.
            Your “political correctness” is destroying this country. President Trump, along with at least half the country, know this and wish to fix it. You liberal idiots are hell bent on destruction of the United States and are too stupid to see the big picture. The power brokers you dance for only have communism in mind. All of your new found liberal freedoms will disappear, and you will be a slave to the state. You’ll have all the guy’s you want to sleep with, in the kamp, komrade.

          • AKLady

            Actually, male and female are only required for the production of a male offspring.

          • AKLady

            Exactly.

          • Morton99

            Thank you. I am actually beginning to get wingers interested in my perspective. That – is very rewarding !

          • niknar

            Special rights no, equal rights yes.

          • BH

            Morton is just a troll trying to get people off subject.

          • justbanjojim

            Indeed they were.

          • AKLady

            The men you cite are religious scholars of the Catholic faith.
            Religion is mythology, not science.
            There now exists genetic data documenting that homosexuality is not a choice, let alone a sin..

          • boone1

            What scholars liberal ones.

          • cal3301

            Actually, they believe they may have found them. I see you’ve never watched the history channel.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a44c0cd9979790b4d6babce5267e234b9a0e8b8474c550b85c2a95887fc7d32e.jpg

          • Morton99

            Who is ‘they’ – some right wing religious hopeful. Well sorry to disappoint. As lurid as the idea is – it probably got a lot of disappointed viewers because it did not pan out.

          • cal3301

            Archaeologists, stupid. These are people that have a brain, which is apparent you don’t. You forget, not just the Bible comes from that area. There are several writings that give reference to them. Here’s something I’m sure you’d like!!!! It deals with people like you.

            World’s Oldest Gays Couple Found in Sodom and Gomorrah https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/23c51103147c52feb174b27b92f34dce439137a8d220d34632220d971551e6b1.jpg

          • Morton99

            LOL LOL LOL – and you believe that crap because you want to believe it !

          • cal3301

            I believe, because I choose to believe. Not because I want to. I beloeve in science. These archaeologists have put in years tracking down peoples historic pasts by checking and reference every clue they find. If you remember the city of Troy was thought to be a fairy tale, too. It was someone that took The Iliad and Odyssey as having a historical background and they found it.
            I really feel sorry for people like you. You have only a single cell mind. You lack imagination and sense of adventure. Putting people down, making fun of their beliefs, makes you the one that’s the loser.
            A little something for you to think on………………
            “I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t, than live as if there isn’t and to die to find out that there is.” – Albert Camus

          • Morton99

            Oh I believe that the spirit is infinite. I also believe in an entity which we may call God. However I do not believe that humans are particularly special – nor do I believe in any sort of morality that exists beyond your life. Humans are very flawed as a species – is also a very young species- and is likely to become extinct like everything before it, sooner rather than later.

          • cal3301

            I never stated that I was religious, did I. I’m stating REAL SCIENTIFIC FACTS that people like you don’t believe, because you only believe in the fake stuff. As the native Americans say, “Nothing in life is perfect,”. Everything has some kind of flaw. That’s why when we make things we deliberately leave an imperfection. I gave you a saying that has been around for generations, but people like you don’t get it. You see, I was taught that your religion is what you do everyday of your life. Not what you do on Sunday. You treat people the way you want to be treated. It is apparent that you have little self worth and have no respect for anyone, not even your family. I bet your parents are so proud. That is, if you have any. My son would never talk to anyone the way you do. Above all, he bears no hatred toward anyone, no matter who or what they are. It’s a shame that people like you sully the very ground they walk on!!!!

          • mlstephens

            A “GENERAL CONCLUSION AMONG SCHOLARS” ?!?!
            KEEP DIGGING THAT HOLE MORON. EVERY TIME YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH YOUR ASS FALLS OUT !! YOU WOULD COME ACROSS AS MORE INTELLIGENT
            IF YOU COULD JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT !!

          • Morton99

            Strange metaphor ! I suppose that every time you cough your teeth fall out too. I don’t know why right wing trolls love banal name calling – can you shed some light on it ?

          • mlstephens

            WHY DO GAY ATHEISTS THINK
            EVERYONE SHOULD GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT WHAT THEY
            THINK ABOUT CHRISTIANITY !?!
            YOU ARE TOO STUUUUPID TO MATTER !!!!! MAYBE WHEN YOU GET TO HELL , YOU CAN SHARE AN EASY-BAKE OVEN FOR AN APARTMENT WITH BARNEY FRANK AND ROSIE ODONNEL !
            ONE MORE LOSER A-HOLE GETS THE BLOCK .

          • Morton99

            The assumption that anyone who supports gay rights – is gay – is beyond stupid.

          • justbanjojim

            Because you are a pigs rectum and have difficulty understanding the written English words.

          • Deby

            Too funny, “scholars” is kinda generic don’cha think Morty? Can you name any or are they only among the gay atheisits, therefore never heard of by Christians?

          • Morton99

            The study of the physical world is not one of the skills of a theologian.

          • Deby

            Well, nice phrase there, but completely irrelevant as that is not at all what I said. You can’t answer my question, can you?

          • Morton99

            I think it is absolutely irrelevant when discussing the physical world to qualify them in terms of their religious beliefs.
            Would you go to a vet for heart surgery ?
            Happy now ?

          • Deby

            Well simply because “you think” it irrelevant doesn’t make it so. Still not an answer, and your vet analogy is not a good one-but yes, I am happy thanks for asking.

          • justbanjojim

            No, there is not a general consensus about the lack of the existence of Sodom and Gomorrah. Only Gays and lesbians find the smallest contradiction and use it as if it were all the evidence that existed. My question is why the hell is this always being blown way out of proportion? Can’t you L&G folks simple live and love each other, as you have done for centuries? Are you all democrats and liberals??
            Besides I have yet to hear a plausible definition as to exactly how you ‘consummate’ your marriage? If the marriage is not consummated, any court will annul the wedding. How do you get passed that little rub? And dildos don’t count.

          • Morton99

            It appears to be a myth. Simple people love the idea of a hedonistic city where everybody had sex all day long with anyone – it is a sort of porn fantasy – so many people have tried to find this fabulous recreational place.
            Alas not even a mention of it in historical scrolls throughout civilization. Just in the gospels – where it was invented as a scary way of explaining what happens if you become recreationally sexual.

          • Teresa Boice

            Scholars??? Let these morons, who don’t believe in God, lead us in our beliefs??? Not likely.

          • boone1

            Liberals are good at lying they do it very well.

          • AKLady

            Name calling is nursery school behavior.
            Your ignorance is immense
            Your religious bigotry is also huge.

          • Retired

            AK – Strikes again with her line of BS .

          • Jose Alverez

            AK is actually a gay man living with two other gay men in San Francisco. All belong to a variety of leftist organizations.

          • Retired

            That it is a guy was determined a long time ago and was traced to the East cost . I think it is a Muslim NYC Sewer Rat .

          • boone1

            New York sandnigger.

          • AKLady

            Thank you.
            Your input is always welcome
            It says so much about you.

          • ernldo

            Yes, it is certainly a rump ranger….

          • AKLady

            Judge not, least the be judged … and found wanting.
            Love thy neighbor …
            Love thy enemy …
            I strongly suspect you must be a Christian.

          • marcus welby

            AKLady the dyslexic delusional and demented paid troll. Always good for a laugh with the deranged ‘logic and facts’ spewed. Soros is getting ripped off for whatever stipend he sends.

          • AKLady

            I strongly suspect you must be a Christian.
            Judge not, least the be judged … and found wanting.
            Love thy neighbor …
            Love thy enemy …

          • AKLady

            Your ignorance is immense
            Your religious bigotry is also huge.
            Your sewer language is evidence of illiteracy.

          • Retired

            You should know all about sewers being a NYC sewer Rat !!!

          • Bella Gray

            AKLady is a Muslim, she sees nothing of value to any America.

          • Retired

            IT’s got dingle berries !!!

          • ABO

            Boone’s comment was a simple statement of fact. I see absolutely no name calling. Your own insults however demonstrate your ignorance and bigotry.

          • Bella Gray

            AKLady is a Muslim, enough said.

          • ABO

            OK

          • Mr. Manfredgensenden

            How can stating known fact be considered ‘calling names’? I hear Libs lie every day on TV and in reports on my computer.

          • b glad

            welcome to nursery school

          • SUZANNE M.

            NAH…….OLD FOLKS HOME.

          • SUZANNE M.

            GO AWAY……YOU ARE A BROKEN RECORD AND CONTRIBUTE NOTHING TO THE CONVERSATION ….AND I KNOW YOUR SO CALLED BACKGROUND…..SO JUST SHHHHHHHHHHHH

          • NavymanBill

            Thanks for the references. Morton99 is obviously gay and is using this as self-justification. .

          • The duck

            I think he has been put down rather well. Those who live in sin tend to try to justify themselves as how it is OK by using the Bible to reference that because homosexuality is spoken of in the Bible, some how it become OK. Ha Hell will be filled with them. OK so I am a sinner too as we all are. But those of us who believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God are forgiven sinners and have the promise of eternal life with Him. Thank you Lord Jesus.

          • AKLady

            I think you are another religious bigot who thinks everyone should believe as you do.

          • Retired

            Why are you talking about yourself like that , you preach for the brotherhood .

          • Mr. Manfredgensenden

            Like Muslims?

          • CRollo2

            No, you are encountering people who do not want to see people, such as yourself, burn in the fires of hell, which in the words of Christ Jesus, exists. But your heart is too hard and you mind too closed to see it. May God have mercy on you and save you.

          • AKLady

            You are obviously a biased Christian who is unable to respect other cultures,. beliefs and religions. You embarrass Christianity,

          • NavymanBill

            I’ll go with that. I have some good friends who are gay. They are good people. I accept them as they are, as they accept me. The problem comes with people like Morton99 who are seeking APPROVAL, and justification. That is another story.

          • Haven’t you heard, there is none who are good… We all are sinners, thus all deserving death.
            Those living in sin and with no desire to change their life style will not be accepted by God…

          • NavymanBill

            I will agree that all of us are sinners, and we will be judged-by God. I try to refrain from doing too much of that myself. Not my job.

          • God doesn’t say that you are not to judge… But He does say that you will be judged with the same measure that you judge others with… I hope you are judgmental of who you choose to vote for. Have you not already made judgments of the different candidates our president?
            God’s WORD says do not be unequally yoked.. That requires you to make a judgment on those that you would want to date or marry. Would you not make a comment to your daughter if she chose a bum for a boyfriend?
            Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor.
            John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

          • Taylor Y

            “God” doesn’t “say” anything, because that is not the REAL God or God’s in that Bible.

          • Taylor:
            So, can you give us some indication as to how you came to this great knowledge of God..? Have you even searched for the truth….?
            If in deed you are saying there in no God then to say that someone or something doesn’t exist than you would have had to study everything possible to eliminate the possibility of that existence… So, how much of the Bible have you read… or how many hours have you spent researching ancient authors such as Flavius Josephus, Gaius Caecilius or Eusebius of Caesarea….?
            Knowledge is gain from the reading and research of that which one chooses to study and wisdom is that which one displays from that knowledge but it is utterly preposterous to think that one can gain wisdom when there is no regard for the truth.
            It is as ridiculous as one calling the evolution theories factual truth when there has never been even one proven fact to back these theories whereas there has been hundreds and hundreds of verses found within the Holy Scriptures pertaining to the Earth, our Universe, Medicine, Science, Time, Matter, Chemistry , Physics, Astronomy, Archaeology and proven prophecies found which were written approx. 2000 years ago to as much as 3500 years ago or more.
            To save a great deal of time I just added the link for you to read of these scientific facts – ( http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.html ).

            There were approx. 40 different authors who wrote in three distinctive languages over a period of 2500 years or more, and yet there is no contradictions that have been found other then spellings and punctuations.
            There were 330 prophecies alone written anywhere from approx. 500 to 1500 years before Jesus’ birth that speaks of the coming Messiah’ birth, life, ministry, death and resurrection without any doubt whatsoever this was divinely orchestrated by God.
            My challenge to you is that you would read “The Case for Faith” or “The Case for Christ” both written by a former atheist, Lee Strobel.
            I also share a message of God’s promise of a reunion to a young lady that will cost you nothing but a few minutes of your time… Google: “watchman48 The Greater Message.”
            If one fails to believe in God it is their own choice to do so…

          • CRollo2

            As a matter of fact, it may not be our job to judge others but it is “our” job to protect the truth of the Faith. That is why we are called the (universal) Church — the Body of Christ (in many forms). Many people have died terrible deaths since the beginning of Christianity for the truth they would not compromise and the least we can do is tell the truth as God has shown us through Scripture and the Holy Spirit. They do not conflict.

          • Artemis

            Only if you are obedient to his word!

          • mrpoohead

            Jesus was bi-sexual – Mary Magdalene and John. Kinky bastard!

          • ciao

            We all judge others by ourselves mr. full of poo head.

          • mrpoohead

            No judgement just more forgiving, unlike Christians it would seem.

          • ciao

            You misunderstand this timeless saying. It means that what judgement you spoke about the Most Holy Lord, you are really mirroring yourself, you’re telling us what you are, a bisexual, kinky bastard. That’s what it means.

          • mrpoohead

            No misunderstanding – was actually pointing out the obvious and the saying has more than one meaning. Christians rather narrow minded, moi not so. In fact don’t recall Jesus passing judgement; very liberal, social conscience, bit of a hippy really. Maybe you should mirror that.

          • ciao

            No, wrong. Lefties are absolutely narrow minded robots that are easily manipulated by the radical left that pulls your strings, you just ask how high?. Can’t think for yourselves if your lives depended on it.
            Jesus is the Son of God, there is no title that you can give that does anything but put into your narrow box of brain dead robots more dead robots that leads absolutely nowhere.

            BTW, stop voting for yourself.

          • mrpoohead

            Both extremes are a joke; in fairness left cherry-pick facts whereas the right makes them up. No left in U.S., Democrat policies same as UK Conservative,, Republicans just further right. Bernie UK Liberal, no party close to UK Labour – the left.
            Suspect my life more eclectic than yours and I’m in business, requires occasional thinking.
            Suspect Jesus actually progeny of Joseph and Mary, after years of debauchery he became evangelical Jew. No proof otherwise – hearsay is all you have. Fact!

          • ciao

            You are sadly living in the error of your chosen beliefs. I don’t want to know more.

            To those who believe, no explanation is needed, to those who don’t believe, no explanation is possible.

          • mrpoohead

            Those who believe seem somewhat narrow-minded, unforgiving and selfish – the antithesis of all religions amusingly.

          • ciao

            Do this poop head, watch what Christians do when their civil and constitutional rights are denied them, when they’re forced to do something against their conscience. Then look at what leftist, liberal atheist cowards do when anybody shows them up for what they really are. Look at the difference between the faithful followers of Christ and look at the evil ones who are persecuting them and decide what group you really want to trust your life to, the culture of death, or those who believe in the sanctity of every human life.

          • mrpoohead

            Only rights religious groups have is to practice. Bosnian genocide, Rwandan genocide and Lord’s Resistence Army? Try again!

          • ciao

            Your info is fake news big time.

            People with religious beliefs have every right an atheist does in the US to practice what he freely believes. But atheists will be more militant.
            Rwandan genocide was perpetrated by radicals who went after people of faith, and were fully armed and trained to murder millions of innocent people while Bill Clinton did nothing and the world stood by and watched until they had their fill of bloody slaughter.

            Before you jump to leftist judgement, learn about what goes on in these countries where there’s a lot contention on both sides and who and what their leaders are like.

          • mrpoohead

            Think you’ll find militant religious cranks too. No one has the monopoly on fruit-bat. Don’t know any militant atheists – they seem quite happy not believing and that’s that.
            Rwanda – Hutu Christians whacked Tutsi Muslims, left the Tutsi Christians alone. Nothing to do with land.
            US President would require authority and Bill from Congress to do anything – no motivation, no oil. Lots of bananas though. Equally over very quickly.
            Suggest you avoid commenting on worldly “issues” – I’m considerably more knowledgable; plus, I hitch-hiked to Rwanda from Kenya. to see the gorillas and know a number of folk there.
            Back in your hole – dummy!

          • mrpoohead

            Considering the garbage you and the Alt-right use I’d be happy to impose an IQ test and a “How the country works” test to be passed before allowing someone the vote. That’ll probably take the turnout down to 20%.

          • mrpoohead

            Atheist terrorism seems fairly thin on the ground, if not non-existent – suspect more than half of terrorism is on the behalf of some religious group, maybe even 80%.
            Would seem atheists have the moral high ground here. Personally I find religiously believing in no God as daft as believing in one – irony?

          • mrpoohead

            ISIS represent less than 1% of Muslims numb-nuts!

          • ciao

            It doesn’t take much for that 1% of kamikaze ISIS radicals to murder many innocent people.

          • mrpoohead

            Suggest you look at history of terrorism – pre 1970’s basically no Muslim ones. Mostly extreme political groups.
            Up-setting the Muslim people by America in 1947 not really a lot of help – mostly our fault, does not justify though. Middle East would be very different if we hadn’t stuck our noses into it and bullied and bribed to get what we wanted. No moral high ground here!

          • AKLady

            No, you are obviously a biased Christian who is unable to respect other cultures,. beliefs and religions.

          • Retired

            So you are a Gay Muslim on top of all ???

          • Floyd

            You mean like Obama was?

          • Mr. Manfredgensenden

            ‘IS’.

          • NavymanBill

            AKLady, DON’T START WITH ME! I have already called you out over time on your LIES , saying that you served TWO TOURS IN VIET NAM as an ARMY MEDICAL OFFICER!!!! Which I debunked through the US Army Woman’s Museum at Fort Lee , VA. (You couldn’t give me your unit, nor your C,.O.’s names) And you have already admitted to me that you are YOUNGER than I AM, and I went in service in 1972 at 17 1/2. Which means you would have been a 15 year old Army Medical officer with two tours in 1970-71. The FEMALE Doogie Howser!! (roflmao) (I won’t even address your statements about two of your three husbands killed in Viet Nam! (smh) You are nothing but a sick troll. I ask you not to comment to me again, and I will avoid you, unless you start with me again.

          • ABO

            Well done, NavymanBill. Your assessment of AKLoony is absolutely accurate and inarguable. Thank you for that!

          • SUZANNE M.

            HAVE YOU NOTICED AKRACKY DID’T RESPOND…..?

          • ABO

            As a matter of fact I did notice that, SUZANNE.

          • Retired

            You nailed it about AK and her lies , I asked it some of the same Questions , just like why isn’t she covered under Tricare if he died on Active duty as a dependent . AK is a NYC sewer Rat . She also claimed to have lived in all lower states and voted in them along with registering in each one . So that would make AK over a hundred years old based on rotation times .

          • NavymanBill

            A whacko.. Agreed. I guess posting on here gives her life some meaning, but too many lies, and enough people with enough REAL experience to call her on them. Take care.

          • Marie Mitchell

            Block AK lady. That way you won’t be able to see the stupid remarks she makes. One sick individual.

          • mac12sam12

            You bash Christians and defend islam. We do’t respect a so called repressive religion like islam. http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2013/04/29/3747543.htm

          • Retired

            Some just ignore parts of Scripture they do not like ,just like some Church bodies .

          • Artemis

            Absolutely!

          • Marla

            I agree about Morton99, he is gay and is trying to explain away his immoral behavior.

          • Morton99

            Tell me SILETHAMMER if “The ONLY reason for men to have a penis is for procreation” how you have managed to survive without urination ?

            And then there are the pleasures of masturbation (a Godsend for the incarcerated), of pleasuring your partner, and even fellatio.

            And what are women supposed to do after menopause ? Zip it up ?

          • SILENTHAMMER

            Well, I guess class is in session — again. How do FROGS urinate? How about FISH? How about CATS? DOGS? It’s no big deal for animals to urinate without a penis. However, circumstance and environment will determine structure and function. I’m relatively sure you have studied the shape and placement of the human penis. Even in reptiles (which have a hemipenis much to your envy) in which eggs are to be fertilized INSIDE the female, males have an organ specifically designed to implant sperm INTO the female. Frogs and fish fertilize eggs OUTSIDE the female. Thus, NO PENIS. As for your other statements of interest, it’s clear you do not believe in God, The Creator. Just as Adam, you have decided to trust the being which has the only intention of ruining God’s creation (you, BTW). While God provided EVERYTHING for Adam and Eve, walked with them, conversed with them, and gave them eternal life and joy, this once they decided NOT to trust HIM, but trust evil, characterized in Genesis as the most dangerous, sneaky and venomous creature known. One day YOU will be in the foxhole. Will you still be an atheist? You know what your choices are. We ALL grow up at different times. Why not start?

          • Morton99

            I am sure I do not share with you your idea of God. It is an almost childish idea – and yes I have family members who do not want to give it up. But that’s OK. Whatever gives you comfort. I also went to an Anglo Catholic school from 7 to 17 so I am very educated in theology.

          • SILENTHAMMER

            Go in peace.

          • AKLady

            In top of 7 to 17, I also attended a Catholic college …
            While religion was a primary focus, it was never taught to us as is presented by those posting on this blog …

          • AKLady

            Silenthammer, you embarrass America with your religious bigotry.
            Belief in a higher power has nothing to do with religion.
            You insult everything our Founders fought and died for.
            Oh, and foolish one, the story of Adam and Eve existed long before the Old Testament. It is a ancient creation myth. Every society has one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creation_myths

          • SILENTHAMMER

            You’re a barrel of monkeys, AK. I get a good belly-laugh every time I read your..uh..well, whatever it is. You may go in peace also. God Bless America! God Bless President Trump!

          • Bella Gray

            LOL, very well said! God also gave man “free will,” so they can do as they like, but they will be answerable to God on judgement day. So as long as LGBTQ are not forcing their perversions on the rest of us, it’s better God and them.

          • Manuel

            So true. Actually there are excacations of Sodom and Gomorra and they found even dogs that looked mummified in a sexual position because once you cross the line you may not know where to stop. In the flexibility of marriage, some woman filed a paper to marry herself, another file to marry her pet. And this is true.

          • Dale Morrison

            Nicely put…

          • Richard Pope

            Silent,
            . . . . I am going to add another one to the list. Man Shall Not Lay Down with Man in the Same Manner that Man Lay Down with Woman. It is obvious that marriage is between a man and a woman. Homosexuals and the other perverts that are living in Sin can’t be Blessed by God when they become a couple.
            America: Love It or Leave It,
            GOD Bless and GOD Help us,
            rich!

          • AKLady

            The God you worship is an invention of the Jewish race.
            Religion was invented by humans to control humans.
            It has been cited to justify every type of evil, abuse and bigotry humanly possible, even mass murder.
            Not everyone follows the religion you have adopted.
            You need to stop forcing your beliefs upon others. America was founded upon freedom of religion — all religions, not just yours.

          • Bob Seawright

            Are you an atheist ?

          • Marie Mitchell

            AKLady is a believer in science. You know, like one day there was a big boom and all of a sudden everything was there?

          • Retired Chief Petty Officer

            And yet they never anwer where the fuel for the big bang came from. The proposition of a cause that is not caused overwhelms them. Rather than pray “our Cause that is not Caused which art in heaven”, the word God or daddy (Abba) is used. As long as “science” or “religion” will not admit the truth God is the term for the all powerful creator who was not created, all their syllogisms fail in falsehood.

          • SUZANNE M.

            BUT “IT”CANNOT EXPLAIN WHO MADE THAT FIRST BOOM HAPPEN…

          • Artemis

            “We” don’t “force” anything on anyone…..”we” try to explain that “we” all have a choice, and that choice, in simple terms, requires morality and obedience on our part and everlasting life is within our grasp…but that it also requires commitment on our part!

          • AKLady

            Currently active Christian terror groups: The Army of God, Eastern Lightening, The Church of the Almighty God, The Church of the Gospel’s Kingdom, The Lord’s Resistance Army, The National Liberation Front of Tripura, the Phineas Priesthood, The Concerned Christians, The Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland, Maronite Christian militias, The Covenant, The Sword, the Arm of the Lord, Defensive Action, the Montana Freemen …

          • SUZANNE M.

            SHUSHHHHHHHHHHHH

          • mac12sam12

            Not religions that oppress women and executed homosexuals. Islam is against the constitution.

          • AKLady

            Christianity has done both.
            Christianity still does both.
            What exactly is your point?
            Islam does not oppress women and/or execute homosexuals.
            People, and governments, have justified doing both based on religion –
            since time began.

          • Artemis

            Begging your pardon, but you need to seriously do some research within the confines of the Koran. I don’t recall the m”exact” words used, but it clearly states that homosexuals are to be killed! BTW, I don’t recall any American Government killing someone solely because they were homos. You are apparently Anti-Christian as is the Ideology of Communism! The thought of the existence of God strikes fear in them, and well it should! Try putting Brain in gear before mouth…it would serve you well!

          • AKLady

            “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” Leviticus 20:13

          • mac12sam12

            Are Christians doing it now? No, we evolved. Even today Saudi Arabia has honor killings held at intersections for public viewing. They aren’t allowed to drive, and can only go to malls dressed in burkas for two hours and no men can be present. Islam also executes homosexuals. You are such a hypocrite for defending this so called religion. They also have the lowest IQs in the world because Allah says it’s OK for first cousins and uncles and nieces to marry. http://www.famafrique.org/oppression.htm

          • AKLady

            In the Central African republic, Christians are murdering those who will not convert. Christian Sharia has existed in the U.S., and continues to do so in many areas.

            In the U.S. medical clinics have been bombed. Doctors aede murdered. Homosexuals are dragged to death behind cars…

            Your lack of facts is huge. There are 26 states which permit first cousin marriage. Science has shown that it does not raise the rate of birth defects. Moreover, there are no European countries which ban first cousin marriage.

          • mac12sam12

            Are the Christians coming here and to Europe and blowing themselves up? NO! How many baby murdering factories have been bombed, one? It’s called Karma.

            First cousins marrying is a very rare thing because they know it produces children with lower IQs and are more likely not be very healthy. So scratch your 26 states. The Somalis have the lowest IQ at 68, aka, retard.

          • AKLady

            You need to obtain a factual education.
            You are overwhelmed with out-of-date false beliefs.
            .
            Oh, and poorly educated person, IQ tests are cultural specific.
            .
            Almost all aboriginal people would score very low on the “accepted” intelligence test. Those failures would have nothing, whatsoever, to do with their “intelligence.” On the other hand, it makes a seemingly valid excuse for racism and bigotry.

          • mac12sam12

            I am overwhelmed with out-of-date beliefs like believing in women and gay rights? Their IQs are because of extreme inbreeding. http://tundratabloids.com/2017/07/middle-east-centuries-of-extreme-inbreeding-has-led-arabs-to-low-iqs-violence-and-terrorism/

          • SUZANNE M.

            AND WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU E XPERIENCED ALL OF THIS FIRST HAND IN PERSON……AND DID YOU DO ANYTHING TO STOP IT?

          • SUZANNE M.

            AND WE ALL KNOW YOU HAVE WITNESSED THESE ATROCITIES FIRST BECAUSE YOU WERE THERE TO ASSIST THEM MEDICALLY…..RIGHT?

          • Mr. Manfredgensenden

            Tell that to the insane followers of Moohammed.

          • b glad

            God was and is and will always be. We didn’t invent Him, He created us.

          • SUZANNE M.

            SHUSHHHHHHHHHHH!

          • AKLady

            There are many Gods.
            There are many religions,
            Why do you believe you have the right to impose
            your belief system on other people?

          • Artemis

            There is but ONE God, and he is The Ruler of the Universe…as you will one day find out!

          • In her mind she is ruler of our Universe in another dimension Ha Ha !

          • mac12sam12

            That’s what muslims do, why do you think that there’s millions of refugees leaving the Middle East?

          • Robert LaBiento

            AMEN!

          • AKLady

            Man invented the Abrahamic God.
            Man wrote the Bible.
            Man invented the Abrahamic religions.
            Homosexuality has been documented in 1,400 mammalian species.

          • Retired

            So you are a member of the Homo Society ????

          • ABO

            Might I assume that you are a Lesbeterian?

          • Artemis

            Hey ABO, that was a good one….don’t you just love it?

          • ABO

            Thaks, Artie and yes I do love it. No one deserves it more than AKLoony.

          • mac12sam12
          • AKLady

            Islam does not oppress women. People use religion to oppress women.
            Name a single religion is not USED to oppress women. Just one.
            The amount of religious bigotry on this site is simply amazing,
            Our Founders fought and died for religious freedom.
            .
            On, and by the way, there are more women judges in Muslim countries than there are in the U.S. Oh, and maybe you should look at your home country. The U.S. mortality rate for women and infants is higher than many third-world countries.

            By the way, The Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women — or CEDAW, as it’s known — was adopted by the United Nations in 1979. The United States is a signatory to CEDAW, but to ratify such a treaty, two-thirds of the Senate must vote in favor of it. CEDAW has never made it to the Senate floor for a vote. http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/16/us/american-women-world-rankings/index.html

          • Heidi Kuhl

            Thanks Silent Hammer! I was just about to give these perverse “sickos” a piece of my mind. Then I read your post, and I couldn’t possibly do any better. Fine job!!

          • Artemis

            I, for one agree with everything you said…..anyone denying your Bible quotes or saying the opposite is either a liar, or just plain delusional! EVERYTHING you said is directly from the Bible, but “Satan’s Disciples” will always try to discredit the TRUTH! I pity the “unbelievers”!

          • believe

            These non believers need to see the movie Let There by light. It just might give them a new prospective about religious faith .

          • AKLady

            Which god might that be?
            There are over 320,000 gods currently recognized and worshipped.

          • jrchambers

            Silenthammer, very well stated. I think your key point is this: “Persons who want sin to be acceptable will go to no limits to justify it.” People can exercise their rhetoric all they want, but in the final analysis, sin is still sin. Same sex marriage is an oxymoron. Marriage is between a man and a woman. This is the plan of God. He makes NO mistakes. And yes, “homosexuality is an *abomination to God.” However, let me make it perfectly clear: GOD HAS COMMANDED US TO HATE NOBODY! Please know that this is a very, very important point. We are commanded by God to pursue righteousness. Why? Because we are not righteous. If we were, we would not need to pursue it.
            “THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO NOT ONE.” (Rom. 3:10) However, I do know someone who is righteous: His name is JESUS. “He was in all points tempted such as we, yet without sin.” (Heb. 4:15)

            * something that is very bad, disgusting and worthy of loathing
            (GOD IS NOT REFERRING TO PEOPLE, HE REFERS TO THE CONDUCT
            ITSELF)

          • Taylor Y

            Silenthammer: That is not how I remember it. You must have a different version of that Bible. I thought that it was because they were worshipping another “God” something that “jealous” “Gods” won’t stand for and if I remember there was all kinds of fornication going on. By the way, before you get all holier than thou on people, I want to remind you that much of what you just spouted is made up crap by the ecumenical council and all other world leaders, kings and Church Leaders who wanted to control people. The Bible was written in Latin for a reason and for 100’s of years people were forbidden to read it (as if they could) even though almost 100% of the population at the time was illiterate. If there is any quoting of any so-called God in the Bible it is NOT of any real or divine creator being, but the Annunaki ET’s who were master geneticists who created the Adam & Eve you mention. They were Gods, in a sense, compared to us, do to their immense size, their advanced technology and advanced skills in genetics, as well as they lived 2700 years to our 1 year of life, but they certainly were not divine by any sense of the word and they were emotionally very immature, needy, greedy, demanding to be worshipped, easily angered if disobeyed, willing to kill their creations because they displeased them.
            Yeh, right, what kind of REAL Divine Being or God would do things like that? So, in my opinion, all you Bible quoters should check yourselves and read my comment above to Morton99, where you will find the names of places you can go to educate yourselves. There is no excuse not to anymore since the information has been available for a very long time now.

          • ernldo

            You’d have a better chance of an intelligent debate with a chipmunk…Why not block morton the dullard?

          • Brenda Sinclair

            your comment was so true and taken from the Bible. yes it is true that satan and his children practiced homosexuaily, murdering,sacrificing babies to satan/allah, eating babies,, these crimes have been going on since satan invented them .., But God’s children do not practice homosexuality, nor abortions/murdering babies/adulteries, lying stealing, these are the fruits only satans children produce., as Christians we are to be the light in a dark world, to show our fruits of truth, kindness, compassion love for our neighbors, giving not stealing,praising life not murdering babies.WE ARE THE SALT SND THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD FOR WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, OUR ENEMIES ARE THE CHILDREN OF SATAN WHO DO EVIL,raping killing stealing same sex with men homosexuals , all enemies of God and true Christians, WE ARE TOLD IN BIBLE DO NOT SIT DOWN EAT WITH THESE KIND OF PEOPLE EVEN IF THEY ARE IN YOUR FAMILIES for waht part and in common does light and darkness have, or oil and water, none so you do not mix with these evil people children of satan AVOID THEM BUT PRAY FOR THEM. ON SUBJECT OF THE PEOPLE BEING CONDEMNED FOR TELLING TRUTH AS FOUND IN GODS LAW since beginning of time satan and his children have killed raped robbed the children of God so this is nothing need SO WHO IS YOUR REAL DADDY>? SATAN/ALLAH OR GOD IN HEAVEN?? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fccf9c211669f1356e98f582b0558b6cca24a80d393ca2804116ccca49ea7d55.jpg

          • William Gordon

            Not TRUE

          • Morton99

            Lets be clear. The culture and pragmatism of humans has defined and evolved marriage over many thousands of years. Jesus, the only deity believed to have existed in the Christian faith only says “Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
            There is no mention of same sex marriage, or polygamy – just that.

          • NavymanBill

            Anything to justify your deviant lifestyle.

          • Deby

            That and try to normalize it every chance they get! Well, I am not worried -they have been trying to do that from day one, and I believe they are at the end of the rainbow, so to speak, as society will NEVER normalize it. Tolerance and legal “fairness” has been achieved-they need to shut down the rhetoric and live their deviant lifestyles and be grateful they can do so here in America.

          • boone1

            moron!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • mlstephens

            NEVERMIND, DON’T NAME ONE.
            YOU’RE TOO STUPID.

          • JACK FROST

            Morton99, you need to read your bible a bit closer..

          • Dale Morrison

            That’s why God calls homosexuals a abomination and he made eve just to be with Adam nowhere does it say that eve can go hoeing around with other which we know she did….

          • cherieloren

            Genesis 2 The Lord God did create marriage, between one man and one woman. And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

            As for homosexuality, yes, God does condemn this. Romans 1:21-28 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient. 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

          • desert fox

            Sound like another demoncratic ck sucker or puss licker.

          • Morton99

            Yup – that’s what I thought too !

          • Donald Lindsey

            God made Adam and saw he was lonely so he took a rib from Adam and made him a companion (wife) female named Eve to bare his children. The Bible does not state you take the same sex to bare children or as your companion in life. This is from Gen. chp. 1

          • Morton99

            You are so silly. Why would you even think that ?
            Gays make wonderful adoptive parents.
            They perform a necessary function very often by giving orphans a family life.
            And homosexuality is NOT contagious. Most adopted children under those circumstances turn out heterosexual because the statistical incidence of homosexuality (which appears to be genetic) is only about 1 in 5. That statistic is the result of far better stat methods where the incidence of homosexuality is not measured by the answers given by the testing samples (which are now enormous) but by highly sophisticated sensory technology that measures reactions when confronted with sexual images.

          • Donald Lindsey

            I take it you are a gay democrat who refuse to believe in the bible?

          • Morton99

            Not quite. I am a heterosexual liberal who did not vote for Clinton – but yes – the bible gives comfort to the simple minded – and that’s OK. It is a man made regurgitation of the ethics of reciprocity which pre-dated the 10 commandments by many centuries – at least in the New Testament. But it was heavily edited to suit the ideology of the winners of the new Christian faith. You do know that there were many competitors for that race – and it was the ex murderer – Paul (or Saul) who proved to be the most adept.

          • Donald Lindsey

            I have found in my years on earth and talking to people of every race and beliefs that when up have a conversation with liberals that they have this tendency to just ignore the facts or truth as you seem to be doing.

          • Morton99

            I have also found in my years on the planet that with age comes an unwillingness to question orthodoxy just as you seem to be doing.

          • Donald Lindsey

            I believe in the Bible and God and marriage to a woman not the same sex, it is marriage of the Devil.

          • Morton99

            Perfect! And there you see graphically the beauty of the First Amendment.

            You can be satisfied fearing the devil and I can give it my middle finger.

          • Donald Lindsey

            As you stated I can give it my middle finger, l also can tell you to stick that finger up you butt hole.

          • Morton99

            Cool. Does the bible instruct you to do that, too ?

          • Marie Mitchell

            Morton…Bet you voted for Obammy though, didn’t you? Remember, he was against gay marriage until he thought he was going to lose votes over it. Same with Clinton. Their votes were more important than morals.

          • Morton99

            What has that got to do with this discussion ?

          • CRollo2

            You are ignorant of Christian history. You are quoting the ignorant, not the informed. The Canon was formed in the 1st Century and not at the Council of Nicea. People were removed from high positions who did not conform to the accepted Canon of Scripture long before the Council of Nicea. Heresy was rejected early on, long before 324 AD.

          • Morton99

            Firstly you are incorrect and secondly that is not the point of the discussion. The point being that the composition of the apocryphal or authoritative scripture was decided by priests – and not by some kind of divine intervention.

          • Taylor Y

            Those so-called “Gods” who created the “Adam & Eve” of the Bible, certainly would not have advocated homosexuality or varieties of marriage, when they worked so hard to make sure that their slave workers, (that they created for the task of mining gold), could reproduce, thus making it easier for them to continue to have more slaves without the trouble of having to clone them. That is in all the ancient texts, the Book of Enoch, the Nag Hammadi, the Atrahasis, the Jubilees, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Enuma Elish.

            The Annunaki were the “Gods” of the Bible and it was not a matter of spirituality or sin or anything else other than common sense when it came to keeping a goodly supply of slave workers. Any and all things written later, after the Bible plagiarized the Sumerian Texts that I just mentioned, were at the discretion and arbitrary ideals of those (pretending to be Religious Leaders) who also had their reasons for wanting to control people so anything that is written in there (Bible) about marriage has nothing to do with the REAL Creator of All Things or of any real spirituality. It has always been about control and manipulation from the very beginning, at least where the Bible is concerned.

            Check out Gerald Clark, the authority on all things Annunaki, his Youtube channel and books, as well as Mauro Biglino the Italian linguist, translator who got fired from the Vatican for choosing to NOT put his name to a translation full of lies. So, he wrote his own book called “The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas of the Bible” He says there are many mistranslated words in the Bible and words that were given meaning where none existed in the Phoenician or Hebrew Language, (like the word God, for instance) He also has several Youtube documentaries under his name. If you want to educate yourselves instead of just parroting rhetoric, go do some research.

          • Morton99

            Well congratulations on your scholarship but it is not my intention to educate these fools. Nothing you have said contradicts my point which is simply that man, not God – assembled the biblical scriptures to suit themselves.

          • Graywolf12

            Go forth and multiply. That is a little hard for queers to do.

          • Morton99

            Really ? I think that removing social bars to homosexuality allowed many to come out and be happy and unpersecuted. That seems a fair interpretation to that imperative.
            However, Genesis is allegorical and not historical record. So you should see it as rhetoric.

          • Taking care of business!

            It is a surprise to many people to discover that there are only a handful of passages in the Bible that directly mention homosexuality. Yet despite its infrequent mention, where the subject does come up, the Bible has some very important things to say about it. We need to understand them if we’re to avoid the twin mistakes of homophobia and thinking God is indifferent about how we use our sexuality.

            The first two passages that directly mention homosexuality come from the Old Testament, the other three are from the New Testament.

            1. Genesis 19
            Sodom has become so associated with homosexual conduct that its name was for many ears a byword for it. But is ‘sodomy’ really what Sodom is about?

            The account describes the men of the city attempting to forcibly have sex with two angelic visitors to the city, who have appeared in the form of men. Later parts of the Old Testament accuse Sodom of a range of sins: oppression, adultery, lying, abetting criminals, arrogance, complacency and indifference to the poor. None of these even mentions homosexual conduct. This has led some people to wonder if we have read homosexuality into the Genesis narrative, when in fact the real issue was social oppression and injustice. But a close look at the text makes it clear that homosexuality was in fact involved.

            Although the Hebrew word for “know” (yada) can just mean to “get to know” someone (rather than to “know” them sexually), it is clear from the crowd’s aggression (and Lot’s dreadful attempt at offering them his daughters as an alternative) that they are looking for much more than social acquaintance. Hence what happens next: the angels warn Lot that judgment is imminent (v.13).

            In the New Testament, Jude adds an important insight:

            …just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 7)

            What happened at Sodom is clearly meant to be something of a cautionary tale. Jude makes it clear that their ungodliness involved sexual immorality. They were punished for sexual sin along with the other sins of which they were guilty.

            Jude also highlights the nature of their sexual desires: they pursued “unnatural desire” (literally, unnatural “flesh”). Some have suggested that this relates to the fact that the visitors to the city were angelic; Jude references angelic sin earlier in his letter. But these angels appeared as men, and the baying crowd outside Lot’s house showed no evidence of knowing they were angelic. Their desire was to have sex with the men staying with Lot. In other words, it was the homosexual nature of their desires, and not just the violent expression of them, that is highlighted in the New Testament.

            2. Leviticus 18 & 20
            Leviticus contains two well known statements about homosexual activity:

            You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)

            If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

            “An abomination” is often used to describe idolatry, and some suggest these verses are not condemning homosexual behaviour in general, but only the cultic prostitution connected to pagan temples. It is also often claimed that the fact that these prohibitions appear in a book full of other laws which no Christians think they are expected to follow today suggests that they should not be taken as having abiding moral relevance. But to take the first objection, the language used is not that specific; it refers to lying with a man “as with a woman,” – that is, in very general terms. Secondly, the surrounding verses in each instance describe other forms of sexual sin (such as incest, adultery and bestiality), none of which is anything to do with pagan temples or idolatry, and which we would take as being applicable to Christians today. It is moral, rather than just pagan religious behaviour that’s in view. Furthermore, Leviticus 20:13 highlights both male parties equally, again suggesting general, consensual homosexual activity (as opposed to gay rape or a forced relationship).

            3. Romans 1:18-32
            Turning to the New Testament, Romans 1 has much to say about the nature and character of homosexual behaviour.

            Paul’s aim in these early chapters is to demonstrate that the whole world is unrighteous in God’s sight, and therefore in need of salvation. In Romans 1:18-32 he zeroes in on the Gentile world, describing the way it has turned away from God and embraced idolatry. The particular details in the passage may indicate that Paul is using the Greco-Roman culture surrounding his readers as a case in point.

            Gentile society faces God’s wrath because it has suppressed the truth that God has revealed about himself in creation (verses 18-20). In the verses that follow, Paul illustrates how this has happened, giving three examples of how what has been known about God has been exchanged for something else: they exchange the glory of God for images of creatures (verse 23); the truth of God for a lie, leading to full-blown idolatry, worshipping created things (verse 25); and reject the knowledge of God (verse 28), exchanging “natural” relations for “unnatural” ones:

            For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. (Romans 1:26-27)

            Two important and sobering truths are apparent from these verses:

            1. Homosexual desire is not what God originally intended. This is not to say that homosexual desire is the only thing that God did not originally intend. All of our desires have been distorted by sin. But Paul does describe both lesbian and male homosexual behaviour as “unnatural.” Some have argued this refers to what is natural to the people themselves, so that what is in view is heterosexual people engaging in homosexual activity and thereby going against their “natural” orientation. According to this view, Paul is not condemning all homosexual behaviour, but only that which goes against the person’s own sexual inclinations. But this view cannot be supported by the passage itself. The words for “natural” and “against nature” refer not to our subjective experience of what feels natural to us, but to the fixed way of things in creation. The nature that Paul says homosexual behaviour contradicts is God’s purpose for us, revealed in creation and reiterated throughout Scripture.

            Paul’s reference to lesbianism as well as male homosexual conduct also supports the idea that he is condemning all homosexual activity, and not just the man-boy relationships that occurred in Roman culture.

            The strength of Paul’s language here should not make us think that homosexual conduct is the worst or only form of sinful behaviour. Paul may be highlighting it because it is a particularly vivid example, and may have been especially pertinent for his readers in Rome given their cultural context. Either way it is illustrative of something that is the case for all of us: as we reject God we find ourselves craving what we are not naturally designed to do. This is as true of a heterosexual person as of a homosexual person. There are no grounds in this passage for singling out homosexual people for any kind of special condemnation. The same passage indicts all of us.

            2. Our distorted desires are a sign that we have turned away from God. It is important to recognize that Paul is talking here in social rather than individual terms. He is describing what happens to culture as a whole, rather than particular people. The presence of same-sex desire in some of us is not an indication that we’ve turned from God more than others, but a sign that humanity as a whole has done so. It is not the only sign, and in everyone there is no doubt more than one sign or another – but it is a sign nevertheless.

            Paul writes that alongside the gospel, “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men” (Romans 1:19). Though there will one day be a “day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed” (Romans 2:5), there is already a present-day expression of God’s anger against sin. We see God’s wrath in this: he gives us what we want.

            In response to the exchanges Paul has described, we see three instances of God giving us over to live in the outcome of our sinful desires. This is his present-day judgment against sin. We ask for a reality without him and he gives us a taster of it.

            In each case the “giving over” results in an intensification of the sin and the further breakdown of human behaviour. God gives humanity over to impure lusts and dishonourable bodily conduct (verse 24), and to “dishonourable passions” (verse 26). The exchanging of natural relations for unnatural leads to being given over to a “debased mind” and the flourishing of “all manner of unrighteousness” which Paul unpacks in a long list of antisocial behaviours (verse 28-31). Sin leads to judgment, but judgment also leads to further sin.

            The presence of all these sinful acts is a reminder that we live in a world which has deliberately turned away from God in all sorts of ways, and is therefore experiencing a foretaste of God’s anger and courting its final outpouring on the day of judgment. Again, homosexual activity is certainly not the only sinful act. All of us are guilty. But it listed among them as one of the ways in which human nature as a whole has been changed from what God originally intended.

            4. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
            Paul writes:

            Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

            In these verses Paul is describing different kinds of people who (unless they repent) will be excluded from the kingdom of God. Four kinds relate to sexual sin, and two of those specifically to homosexual behaviour. The ESV takes the latter and puts them together as “men who practice homosexuality”, while the NIV translates them as “male prostitutes and homosexual offenders”.

            The first of the two terms relating to homosexuality is malakoi, which translated literally means “soft ones.” In classical literature it could be used as a pejorative term for men who were effeminate; for the younger, passive partner in a pederastic (man-boy) relationship; and to refer to male prostitutes (hence the NIV’s translation). In 1 Corinthians 6 malakoi comes in a list describing general forms of sexual sin, and the context suggests Paul is most likely using it in a broad way to refer to the passive partners in homosexual intercourse, as we are about to see.

            The second term he Paul uses. is arsenokoitai. This is a compound of “male” (arsen) and “intercourse” (koites, literally “bed”). These are the two words used in the Greek translation of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, suggesting that Paul is linking back to those two passages. (Paul has already just made a connection with Leviticus in 1 Corinthians 5, where he condemns the church’s acceptance of a man living with his father’s wife using language that echoes Leviticus 18:7-8. For Paul, the sexual sins which Leviticus prohibits remain forbidden for New Testament Christians.) Arsenokoitai, then, is a general term for male same-sex sex, and its pairing with malakoi indicates that Paul is addressing both the active and passive partners in homosexual sex.

            So what does all this mean for our understanding of homosexuality?

            1. Homosexual sin is serious. Paul says the active and unrepentant homosexual, as with all active, unrepentant sinners, will not enter God’s kingdom. Paul urges his readers not to be deceived on this point. He assumes there will be those who deny this teaching, and argue that some forms of homosexual conduct are acceptable to God. But Paul is clear: homosexual conduct leads people to destruction. This is a serious issue.

            2. Homosexual sin is not unique. Paul’s list includes other forms of sexual sin (sexual immorality and adultery), and it includes non-sexual forms of sin (drunkenness and theft, for example). Homosexual sin is incredibly serious, but it is not alone in being so. It is wicked, but so is, say, greed. We must not imply that homosexual sex is the sin of our age. If we are to be faithful to Scripture, we must also preach against theft, greed, drunkenness, reviling, and defrauding others, many of which are also trivialised in our society, and all of which also characterize the unrighteous.

            3. Homosexual sin is not inescapable. Paul continues in verse 11: “And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of God” (1 Corinthians 6:11).

            These forms of behaviour are not appropriate for the Corinthian church precisely because it is not who they are any more. Some of them clearly had been active homosexuals. They did once live in these ways. But no more. They have been washed, sanctified and justified; forgiven, cleansed from their sins, and set apart for God. They have a new standing and identity before him.

            However ingrained it may be in someone’s behaviour, homosexual conduct is not inescapable. It is possible for someone living a practicing gay lifestyle to be made new by God. Temptations and feelings may well linger. That Paul is warning his readers not to revert to their former way of life suggests there is still some desire to do so. But in Christ we are no longer who we were. Those who have come out of an active gay lifestyle need to understand how to see themselves. What defined us then no longer defines us now.

            5. 1 Timothy 1:8-10
            Here Paul writes:

            The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. (1 Timothy. 1:9-10)

            He again uses the term arsenokoitai (translated by the ESV as “men who practice homosexuality” as a catch-all term for all forms of homosexual conduct. Also in common with 1 Corinthians, same-sex sex is mentioned among other wide-ranging sins, non-sexual as well as sexual.

            These forms of behaviour characterize those who are not “just” and for whom the law was given, in order to bring conviction of sin and the need for mercy. All these practices contradict “sound doctrine” and the gospel. They do not conform to the life Christians are now to lead. They go against the grain of the new identity we have in Christ.

            Conclusion
            Attempts to read these texts as anything other than prohibitions of homosexual behaviour do not ultimately work. The plain reading of each passage is the right one. It is homosexual practice in general, rather than only certain expressions of it, which are forbidden in Scripture. To attempt to demonstrate otherwise is to violate the passages themselves. Yet these very same texts list homosexuality alongside many other forms of behaviour that are also against God’s will. The very passages that show us that homosexual activity is a sin, make it very clear that it is not a unique sin. It is one example of what is wrong with all of us.

          • SUZANNE M.

            ABSOLUTELY…….AND I MEAN ABSOLUTELY ….NO ONE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH KNOW ABOUT GOD GOR PROOF PERFECT…THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MEN…..I DO BELIEVE IN GOD BECAUSE NO MAN OR WOMAN COULD DO THIS EARTH AND ALL IT’S PERFECTION ….BECAUSE WE ALL SEEM TO WANT TO DESTROY IT FOR OUR OWN SELFISH NEEDS. MEN AND WOMEN WERE CREATED TO REPRODUCE……NOT MEN AND MEN NOR WOMEN AND WOMEN. I DON’T CARE WHAT WNAYONE SEXUAL PERSUASION IS..THAT IS BETWEEN THEM AND THEIR PARTNERS. I SIMPLY DO NOT WANT IT SHOVED DOWN MY “THROAT” THERE IS A RIGHT AND A WRONG AND I DO BELIEVE THE BEST RULES THAT HUMANITY COULD FOLLOW WOULD BE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.OTHER THAN THAT BO ONE KNOWS.

          • Morton99

            The ten commandments were taken from a much earlier doctrine – the ethics of reciprocity. You will find info on it on line. The problem with the idea of God is that it presumes that somewhere there was a beginning. Genesis calls it creation. The idea that there was no beginning is quite sound mathematically – it is also called infinity. That is a concept that humans find very difficult to understand because they cannot relate it to the physical realm that they live in. Even the Big Bang theory simply denotes a marker for the current universe – but we now suspect that universes are also in a constant state of growth and decline and eventually become black dwarfs and anti matter. At that point the evidence suggests a parallel universe is about to explode.

          • SUZANNE M.

            MORTY, AS I SAID ….NO ONE KNOWS ABSOLUTLEY…..PROOF POSITIVE.

        • Pam

          How can people read the creation of man and woman and not grasp the significance of that as a definition of the natural oder in a relationship? What most people fail to grasp is indeed man was made for woman and woman for man. After the fall sin entered and perverted this plan. All that the Bible then relates is a result of that sin and was not blessed by God and mankind reaped the result of it and we still are. Man has free choice and the wages of sin has to play out. I am not lecturing you it’s just a pet peeve of mine that people do not recognize the fault is with mans action not with God permitting us from reaping what we have down.

        • AKLady

          Actually, that is not true.

          • TokyoAK. You need to provide proof for that statement.

            Nobody believes your drive by propaganda anymore.

          • Taylor Y

            MAHBOO1: I like that! “Drive-by propaganda!” Good one!!

          • Thank you. Stole the drive by part from Rush.

          • Cindy

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          • susmart3

            It is certainly true! Ever read the Old Testament?

          • I suspect we are on the same side, as I was responding to TokyoAK and her insistence that the Bibles versions of Marriage did NOT include one man and one woman.

            But just in case, please bring up the verses you are talking about. I would love to discuss them. God Bless.

          • susmart3

            ack! quite possible! technology can also create confusion!

          • Happens to me all the time. The accusations of “No you are” are quite often very hard to follow…. 🙂

          • Taylor Y

            AKLady and Morton: So, instead of just being contrary and antagonistic why didn’t you just cite a few of these so called ” as many variations as you can imagine?” I think you were getting a little carried away there and wanted to just push YOUR point of view though you have no facts.

          • ernldo

            These two mooks get paid to troll these threads, probably a buck fifty a day Soros dollars (and they are overpaid by quite a lot)…what else could people this incredibly stupid do?
            Why not block the nitwits?

          • boone1

            I block AKLADY a long time ago and just blocked moron morton99.

          • AKLady

            Name calling is nursery school behavior.
            Does someone pay you to lie?
            Does someone pay you to call people names?

          • boone1

            Now you know AKLady and Morton cannot and will not cite nor will they look up anything both are too lazy to cite and look up facts.

          • AKLady

            All you do is insult
            I’m going to bed,
            Much too tired to play
            Good night.

          • AKLady

            Why are you unable to do the research and educate yourself?

          • AKLady

            No one hands you things on a silver platter.
            Life is hard. you have to take charge and educate yourself+
            No one owes you anything.

          • Brenda Sinclair

            YES AT TIME OF JESUS WALKING THE EARTH God had one temple where all of His children went to worship built by king solomon, but satan had 1,600 gods for his children to worship, sun gods, snake, goat gods, golden calf gods, BUT GOD FROM THE BEGINNING HAD ONE WAY, ONE SON WHO DIED FOR US, ONE TEMPLE WHERE GOD SAT IN MERCY SEAT,BUT LEFT WHEN JESUS DIED UPON THE CROSS, BECAUSE MAN COULD ONLY COME TO GOD THUR JESUS CHRIST ONLY, in the gospels when Jesus spoke of synagogues he called them seat of satan synagogues or their synagogues,their church an cults, of course to deceive people satan tried to make his way look like it was Gods way, the pharisees who put jesus on the cross became none other than the roman catholic church the seat of satan..then and today https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/85a39e5645d65248f59aa3504e072ddfa9a6f69315d14e1439ed4631ab21a12b.jpg

          • AKLady

            The Hindu religion has 320,000 gods.
            There are 22 religions which have a minimum of one-half million followers.
            They include secularism, paganism, neo-paganism, atheism, agnosticism …
            The small, insignificant religions are simply too numerous to count.
            .
            The Abrahamic religions; Christianity, Islam, and Judaism; profess belief in one God. However, Christianity professes a very “pagan” system of three-gods in one, i.e., Father, Son. Holy Ghost.
            .
            There is nothing contrary, or argumentative, about providing facts, let alone recommending respect for the beliefs of others.

          • Taking care of business!

            Facts the Bible Tells Us about Marriage:
            Marriage is an indissoluble relationship except on the highest grounds (Matthew 19:9).

            Monogamous relationship between husband and wife as stated in the original law (Matthew 19:5, 1 Corinthians 6:16).

            Husband and wife are equal before God (Ephesians 5:29-31, 1 Peter 3:7).

            The relationship is to reflect the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27).

            Husband is the loving head of relationship and wife is subordinate (1 Corinthians 11:8-9, 1 Timothy 2:13, Ephesians 5:21-33, Colossians 3:19, 1 Peter 3:1-6).

            The relationship is fruitful (Genesis 1:28a).
            In summary, we can see that marriage is an intimate and complementing union between a man and a woman in which the two become one physically, in the whole of life. The purpose of marriage is to reflect the relationship of the Godhead and to serve him. Although the fall has marred the divine purpose and function of marriage, this definition reflects the God-ordained ideal for marriage from the beginning.

          • AKLady

            In summary, your religion is only one of many that exist. Like all others, Christianity and Judaism were created by man to control other humans.

            Your god is one of over 4,000 that exist. It takes a huge amount of conceit to justify compelling your belief system upon others.

            I suggest you develop respect for other people.
            I suggest you develop respect for other religions.

          • Chris Sleveta

            Actually, the God of the Bible IS God. These “gods” you speak of are demonic. They will be in Hell with all those who reject the GOD of the Bible and the free gift of salvation that is offered by His Son Jesus Christ. This has nothing to do with “respect” And how can I respect Muslims who want to cut of my head for worshipping the ONLY real GOD?

          • AKLady

            The hate you spout is not what Jesus taught.
            However, it is the typical bigotry of modern-day, so-called Christians.
            Islam is the world’s second largest religion. The Middle Eastern governments using relgion as an excuse to kill are not Islam. Those in Africa murdering those who will not convert area not Christians..

      • You are wrong. Can you cite the passages you are talking about?

        • Morton99

          I think that if you look you will find far more references to polygamy and concubinage than to monogamous marriage – and precious few admonitions to homosexuality – NONE from Jesus. The reference attributed to St Paul denotes a clear reference to misogyny and thus his views on sexual and domestic matters are suspect: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

          • So you can’t cite the passages you were talking about?

          • Morton99

            I could but why bother since you will deny any evidence but what you want to see.

          • boone1

            LAZY boy you be.

          • ABO

            You’ve got nothing so you just continue to deflect. Pathetic.

          • If you could you would have. So we can conclude that you can’t cite anything to support your comments. Typical.

          • Deby

            Ha, rich, since that is what you do.

          • Morton99

            I must say that you Trump Trolls seem inexhaustible in both your effort to prove you are not mentally deranged, and also your stupidity. This pack mentality to try and mug a lone liberal who should be treated with hospitality and esteem is disastrous on your part. Whatever happened to charm, courtesy and discussion ? I guess there is a sense of safety in numbers when someone like me dares to present you with facts. It must feel really humiliating.

          • Deby

            Watch it troll, there you go, name calling again-something you say you libtards never do. As for being a “lone liberal” on this thread-your choice, is it not? If you don’t like the comments you are getting, why are you here? You think you are so much more intelligent than the rest of us here, and that is obvious, but it doesn’t make anything you say correct, or even reasonable. Go back to your buddies at Salon where your crap will be more appreciated. Ta ta now Morty

          • NavymanBill

            More baloney. I have been on your HuffPo. To say that it wasn’t too “welcoming” is an understatement. And there with the name-calling again, as you said “the last resort of the stupid” . Do yourself a favor and go away, Morton99. We understand this gives your life some meaning, but go troll somewhere else.

          • Morton99

            Hey Sailor Bill – tell us all about the Rum – Bum – and Baccy – the staples of a sailor’s life.

          • NavymanBill

            Not part of MY lifestyle, sweetheart, but YOU would probably fit right in!! And I thought you were above such low comments. Loser.

          • Morton99

            Just trying to make you feel comfortable – Sailor Boy – did you get a rise ?

          • NavymanBill

            As I have said, we’re dealing with a child here. Please stop. You’re making me feel sorry for you.

          • boone1

            The asswipe is to damn lazy to look anything up.

          • Chi Sam

            Look up the word ‘too’, you imbecile.

      • DianePenn

        Marriage is not only defined by God but established by Him in that he created a man and a woman – Adam and Eve- for the express purpose of multiplying the human race, something the homosexuals cannot do among themselves.. If He wanted to establish homosexual ‘marriage’ He would have created a second couple – John and Joe.

        • GrizzMann

          He tried Adam and Steve, but nothing came of that.

          • Patriot2theCore

            Blasphemy! No he didn’t!

          • boone1

            Don’t forget you are talking to too queers they could care less about Blasphemy GOD are anyone else.

          • Chi Sam

            To too? Does that mean something to you, stupid? Do the words or and are mean anything to you?

          • GrizzMann

            The King of the Gods, Zeus, Had to order that Pandora be sent to the all male world of man.

          • RC

            You got that right!

          • boone1

            And you must be adam.

          • RC

            Why don’t you trying to write something that makes at least a little sense?

          • boone1

            It’s try dipstick not trying now go back too school moron.

          • RC

            That does it boone1. You liberal bastards can’t disagree with anyone without insults. How do you know I’m a moron you queer son of a bitch? Instead of answering this post just go somewhere like Frisco and let some slickey boy poge you in the ass. Go to hell you ignorant brother fucker.

          • Chi Sam

            Say’s the incompetent MF’r that cannot discern to from too.

          • boone1

            Then you must be steve

          • GrizzMann

            Why must I be anyone other than myself?

          • DianePenn

            In what tome might God have done that? one of the homosexual magazines professing nothing but filth?
            Zeus is a pagan god and the story of course typical fiction that the homosexuals would naturally attach to.

          • GrizzMann

            Zeus was the King of Gods Speaking of Of fiction, was Jesus Christ the real name of the Messiah? Jesus is not a Jewish name. Christ is not a Jewish family name. According to the Bible, Mary was instructed to call him Emmanuel. Sounds like fiction to me.

        • Morton99

          Well he did not find it necessary for there to be any other form of procreation – but for sexual cohabitation there are no rules – except by orthodox Jews and strict puritans who teach that sex is pretty filthy and a necessary evil.

      • RC

        You must have been reading the Koran.

        • Morton99

          OMG how analytical of you … any other titbits of your insight ?

      • William Gordon

        I do not know what Bible you are reading–But the Old Testament spells it out in many places–and also in a few places in the New TESTAMENT.–It sure is spelled out by GOD

      • boone1

        You are a lying liberal and very stupid as well.

      • mlstephens

        NAME ONE .

      • Knowledge Transfer

        Has a pregnancy ever occurred inside a rectum – especially a male rectum?

        • Morton99

          Why don’t you ask your family – I bet they have tried often enough.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            I wouldn’t be here if they did! Now – like a good little pervert go back and play in your unflushed toilet.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Were you conceived in your mother’s or you father’s rectum?

      • justbanjojim

        Wrong.

        • Morton99

          No RIGHT ! (although its hard to even utter that word as a liberal).

      • Katia

        You’re wrong.Bible states, Man not to lay with Man and Woman not to lay with woman..What part of that don’t you comprehend..Bottom line common sense is if you can’t make a baby somethings wrong with that picture..Ya think?

      • Roger Meyer

        Hardly, my Bible specifically states that marriage is between a man, & a woman. Don’t
        know where your Bible came from. But facts are facts..

      • Roger Meyer

        And Sodom & Gomorrah were real, and I believe God answered the question of what he made man for.

        • Morton99

          What was that ?
          I think man was bred by an alien civilization as an alien high school experiment. As you may have noticed – it never did separate itself from the lust for killing of more primitive life forms.

      • Joe S

        Let me explain it to you morty. Man and woman good. Man and man bad. Woman and wonan bad. Got it?

      • The duck

        Genesis is the first book of the Bible I think. In the first few chapters dealing with creation (which is a biblical precept) It states God created man and woman. And goes on to say they will cleave (or cling) to one-another and for this reason they will become one flesh (or a family if you will) Genesis does not describe two males or two females as becoming one flesh strangely by today’s standards of family, but one male and one female becoming a family. So to say that the Bible speaks about homosexuality and try to use that to justify a homosexual union as a family is not allowable under even the most liberal of theology. So go back and read your Bible with better studious intent.

        • mrpoohead

          God is Yahweh is Allah – all cut from the same cloth and absent.

      • Taking care of business!

        Doubtless, you’ve never picked up a Bible. And that’s Bible, scholar, not “bible”.

        • Morton99

          Really ? LOL. From 7 to 17 I went to prayers twice a day – and on Sunday 3 times because I took communion from 12 years on. As far as I am concerned the bible is a political document – meant to coerce and make you conform. The weapon is fear. Fear of God, fear of hell. Fear of disapproval. Jesus Christ died a Jew. However, I am not an atheist I just do not believe in manipulative intercession by politically inspired clerics – whether Jew, Christian or Muslim.

          • Taking care of business!

            I pray for the salvation of people like you and there’s nothing you do to stop me. Please respond with some snide, crass comment, as I count it all joy to be persecuted for my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

          • Morton99

            To each his own. That is the beauty of the First Amendment. Just try not to push your beliefs on me and we can both co-exist.

          • Pearl White

            That’s why people like me love you for who and what you are. 😇😊

      • Kenneth Jones

        Morton, have you ever read the Bible? Do the words “between one man and one woman” mean anything to you? And “for the procreation of children, if it be God’s will?”

        • Morton99

          Read my post to ‘Taking Care of Business’

          • Kenneth Jones

            Sorry, I haven’t got the time.

          • Morton99

            How predictable. Throw a stone and run for your life.

      • boone1

        Hey dipshit I just block your liberal communist ass.

        • Morton99

          I dunno about you – but I use my fingers to write my opinions. But I guess you like to fill that cess pool.

      • Brenda Sinclair

        have you ever seen two male trees, two males whales, tow male cows produce offspring.? it is un natural and against all laws of nature, but then satans children defy the laws of God in heaven and do the bidding of satan their father to rape kill steal, plunder destroy SAME SEX THESE ARE THE FRUITS OF SATANS CHILDREN, WE KNOW THEM BY THE FRUITS THEY PRODUCE GOOD OR EVIL SO WHO IS YOUR DADDY MORTON99? GOD IN HEAVEN OR SATAN/ALLAH.ABORTION/MURDER IS AN ACT OF SATAN, NOT OF GOD IN HEAVEN

        • Morton99

          Surely you ae not suggesting that the sole purpose a man and woman wed, is to have offspring ?

    • AKLady

      Religion was invented by man.
      The Bible was written by man.
      God has many faces and many names.
      Why is it that those who follow Abrahamic religions
      think they can enforce their beliefs on other people?
      .
      Oh, and foolish one, homosexuality has been documented in over 1,400 mammalian species.

      • Oh ye of no faith!

        Nice propaganda TokyoAK…

      • Mary G. Nolan

        Kinsey admitted to lying!

  • Justin Seine

    What? They cannot express their beliefs if they conflict with someone elses beliefs? You cannot have and express an opinion if it conflicts with mine? Do these dim bulbs fantasize that they are the Borg, the Collective, where resistance is futile and all others will be assimilated???? Do they honestly believe that God gave them weiners to use as probes to explore the p00p chutes of others who also have wieners? Do they think that God created men and women so that men could mate up with men and women could mate up women and procreation would only occur in instances of rape of the opposite sex?

    My advice would be to look at the map and if it differs from the terrain, follow the terrain.

  • ernldo

    Perverts again. What a shock…..

  • tCotUS

    Student Group? Accused America’s Traditional Marriage Birthright ? Really? Really who care what a few snoot nosed, over privileged under educated brats think. Not worth putting them in the news.

  • Tired…

    Disagreement is not hate. Let’s stop the insanity by standing up to it and calling this out for the lie that it is.

    • Edward N Haas

      That’s right: Disagreement is not ACTUALLY hate; but, for those with super-sensitive egos, it is necessary to take it as hate, because, for such types, that’s the only effective ego-defense mechanism, which is to say only kind of rationalization able to deliver such egos from a devastating sense of inferiority. After all, it enables such egos to feel that the source threatening them with a sense of inferiority is, as hateful, the only party truly guilty of inferiority. It’s what hell is all about. It’s not a torture chamber into which a vindictive God, against their wills, hurls God’s opponents in order to get even with them for daring to rebel against God. On the contrary, it’s a place of refuge which a loving God provides for those needing, above all else, in place in which they can rest assured, they can never be exposed to evidences able to persuade to turn from denouncing God as the supreme personification of hate to extolling God as the supreme personification of LOVE.

  • Garden_Goddess

    Georgetown University started out as Catholic but was overrun by crazed libs. Now it isn’t Catholic or shouldn’t be called Catholic.

    • Morton99

      I do not think that the word is patented.

      • GrizzMann

        Catholic is just a Greek term for universal. Much like Christ is Greek for the anointed one, a title, not a last name..

  • Morton99

    This was the objection:
    “Love Saxa’s advocacy of denying individuals’ rights on the basis of their sexual orientations is inherently intolerant. By advocating for unequal rights in its constitution, Love Saxa established its mission in violation of the university’s Student Organization Standards.

    Love Saxa’s constitution also identifies it as “a space [for students] to discuss their experiences of the harmful effects of a distorted view of human sexuality and the human person.” By characterizing the LGBTQ experience as “a distorted view of human sexuality and the human person,” Love Saxa has codified a mission that is fundamentally intolerant and hateful.”

    From The Hoya – http://www.thehoya,com (the Georgetown Student newspaper).

    • Mike Albertone

      In other words, Love Saxa believes that the LGBTQ experience of sexuality is distorted, so they must be a hate group?? Could it possibly be that they love their LGBTQ brothers and sisters and don’t want to see them on the road to perdition so they are trying to help them?? Calling someone else’s views or lifestyle “distorted” is not hateful in and of itself. It is only hateful if they advocate harming people who feel differently than they do.

      • Morton99

        First let me agree with some of what I think you are trying to say.
        In a free country you should be encouraged to express your views in a public forum – and you must answer your opponents using logic and the law, and not just religious beliefs. Shutting others down makes things worse.

        The bible is full of apparent repugnant rules and admonitions. The only logical conclusion is that NONE of them are meant to be absolute, but are intended to be debated.

        Now what I do NOT care for is an attempt by the Love Saxa movement to paint LGBT as being on the road to perdition.

        First of all this is an assumption on their part which also happens to deny others their own freedoms.

        Secondly – the bible is full of questionable rules –

        1 Timothy 2:12, in which the saint says: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent.”

        1 Samuel 15:3: “This is what the Lord Almighty says … ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”

        “Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

        “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

        “So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

        “In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

        “And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

        ‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

        “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

        “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

  • Michael Dennewitz

    Poor little FAGGOTS! Why don’t they all move to Gitmo and start up their own little private world.? They could call it Fagland, Koobah.😁😂🤣😃😄😅

    • ward

      N.K. or Pakistan would be a hole up for fags … !

      • Morton99

        Is tht a sort of right wing cock tail recipe ?

    • Deplorable Dotard

      Faggottland.

  • Donald Lindsey

    This a same sex marriage is Democratic thing from brain dead morons, no hate talk just facts

    • Morton99

      What are you trying to say – what you wrote makes no sense.

      • Freedom Rules

        This explains a lot about today’s Democratic Party.
        In an article published in late June, anti-communist analyst Trevor Loudon, author of the book The Enemies Within: Communists, Socialists and Progressives in the US Congress, shined the spotlight on the multiple communists and “radical anti-American socialists” serving on the platform committee. Among the figures cited in the report are a number who have been involved in the “Democratic Socialists of America,” which Loudon described as “a communist group based on the theories of Italian Communist party theoretician Antonio Gramsci — an advocate of revolution through infiltration.” Other platform members were from what he referred to as “more traditionally communist groups.”

        “Most of these individuals could not pass an FBI background security check to sell you stamps at the Post Office,” Loudon argued in his June 26 article. “They would not be allowed to clean the toilets on any military base in this country. Yet they are drafting policies that will shape the lives of more than 300 million Americans. It is time for loyal Democrats to realize that their party is no longer the party of Harry Truman, or JFK. It has been hijacked at the highest levels by enemies of the U.S. Constitution and American freedom.”

        And indeed, there can be little doubt that some of the extremists identified by Loudon are hostile to the U.S. Constitution and the liberties of the American people. In fact, they say so themselves throughout the Democrat Party platform they drafted — a document that includes brazen attacks even on constitutionally protected liberties such as free speech, and of course flagrantly denies even the right to life by promoting taxpayer-funded killing of unborn children across America and worldwide. The fact that the extremists were appointed with the support or at least tacit approval of leading Democrats, including Hillary Clinton and DNC boss Debbie Wasserman Schultz, also speaks volumes.

        Several of the socialists identified by Loudon are affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America, the nation’s largest and most prominent socialist organization. Aside from promoting dangerous tyranny and constitutional subversion in the United States, the DSA is also an affiliate of the totalitarian global alliance of communists and socialists known as the Socialist International. The SI, of course, is a world socialist government-promoting outfit that includes numerous murderous political parties from around the globe. So extreme is the global outfit that its 24th Congress in 2012 was hosted by a Marxist political party whose president was at the time busy advocating genocide of minorities on national television.

        Another dangerous outfit well-represented on the Democrat Party’s platform committee is the Communist Party USA, once a tentacle of the mass-murdering Soviet regime in the United States. However, the presence of CPUSA friends and activists on the Democrat Party’s key committee guiding the party’s positions is hardly a surprise. Last year, the CPUSA’s boss, John Bachtell, even boasted openly that his Marxist-Leninist organization “utilizes” the increasingly radical Democratic Party to advance its totalitarian objectives in the United States. “At this stage we are about building the broad people’s movement led by labor that utilizes the vehicle of the Democratic Party to advance its agenda,” Bachtell wrote to his supporters.

        The first anti-American socialist highlighted by Loudon is Dr. Cornel West, a supporter of socialist Bernie Sanders and a supposed “theologian” who does not even bother to conceal his radical socialist views and extreme agenda. In fact, after decades of membership, West also became Honorary Chair of the Democratic Socialists of America. West also founded the socialist New Party in the 1990s and has produced a great deal of Marxist propaganda, including, among other resources, the book The Ethical Dimensions of Marxist Thought. He has been a pioneer in exploring how race-mongering and fanning race hatred can be exploited by socialists to advance their totalitarian agenda.

        Also cited by Loudon is Representative Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), another Sanders supporter who, among other controversies, has been a supporter of the radical Nation of Islam. Despite his open advocacy for homosexuality, Ellison is the first “Muslim” elected to the U.S. Congress. He is also “a longtime associate of the Minnesota Communist Party,” according to Loudon. “Keith Ellison has held several meetings in the home of recently deceased Minnesota Communist Party leader Erwin Marquit, was elected with the help of teams of communist phone bankers and has contributed an article to the Communist Party USA‘s People’s World website,” Loudon explained. Indeed, the CPUSA’s propaganda mouthpiece even promoted Ellison’s campaign for Congress, calling him a “fresh progressive” and “established progressive leader.”

        Another socialist helping to write the Democrat platform is Obama’s former “climate czar” Carol Browner. Plenty of the “qualifications” on her résumé ought to raise eyebrows for Americans concerned about freedom and sovereignty. Perhaps most alarming, though, is Browner’s leadership seat on the Socialist International’s “Commission for a Sustainable World Society,” which openly sought to impose “global governance” on humanity and “promote socialist ideas and work towards this objective at international level” under the guise of dealing with supposed man-man global warming. Browner also has a long history of working with extremist groups, including an outfit known as “Citizen Action” founded by former Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) radicals.

        Numerous other extremists with troubling track records of totalitarian, anti-constitutional extremism are also listed among the platform committee’s members. Representative Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), for example, is “a former member of the pro-Cuba, Marxist-Leninist Puerto Rican Socialist Party,” Loudon explained, adding that Gutierrez, an open-borders activist, was also involved with a Maoist group and the socialist New Party. Gutierrez is currently in hot water for showering hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds on his wife and daughters.

        Also listed is Paul Booth, a Big Labor organizer for government workers and a DSA leader whose group has helped train “thousands of community organizers in Saul Alinsky tactics.” Alinsky dedicated his book on how to seize power to Lucifer. Representative Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), described by Loudon as “a longtime associate of Democratic Socialists of America and the Communist Party USA,” is also on the platform committee. Lee, who has been to Communist Party-ruled Cuba more than 20 times, was also a secret member of the Communist Party breakaway group Committees of Correspondence.

        Of course, none of this is a new phenomenon. In a March 1999 exposé of socialists and communists in Congress by The New American, Robert W. Lee showed how the “House Progressive Caucus,” founded by avowed socialists and communists, was becoming increasingly influential while attempting to conceal its extremism behind lofty rhetoric. Indeed, many of those identified had a long and dangerous history of working with America’s sworn communist enemies to subvert the U.S. Constitution and promote tyranny worldwide. Today, the extremists are more powerful than ever, and, along with their globalist comrades, practically run the Democrat Party.

        Unsurprisingly, the Democrat Party’s draft platform reflects the dangerous extremism of the committee that wrote it. That is bad news for America. Indeed, if it were to be implemented, what remains of the Judeo-Christian foundations of America, the U.S. Constitution, and the liberties it protects would all be obliterated, along with America’s remaining prosperity. Americans who value the U.S. Constitution and the liberties it protects should educate others about the dangerous cast of characters that helped write the Democrat Party’s agenda.

        • Morton99

          Yes I am familiar with Loudon – an extremist with libertarian views. In a 2006 post to his blog he stated “Socialism, is in short a manifestation of mental illness or major character deficiency.”
          He thrives on demeaning and inflammatory statements which are (ironically) very appealing to people with autocratic ideological leanings – rather belying the freedoms which he pretends to espouse.
          But of course he is safe and comfortable in the beautiful and isolated islands of New Zealand – which has married a great deal of socialism into providing a real blanket of support for all Kiwis – high income taxation and yet allowed them to flourish as international entrepreneurs by doing away with capital gains taxes.

  • Sammy

    Sooo, let’s see. Will anyone hear a whisper of support from the Vatican? I’m guessing not. If anything is said at all it will be the same lame, mush-mouthed whining about tolerance not support of biblical teaching.

    • Morton99

      Love your neighbor as yourself.

  • Phil Esposito

    In their thinking, wouldn’t the lgbt be a hate group for not being tolerant of traditional marriage? Oh yeah, I forgot……. they’re mentally ill, so I can’t expect them to be rational.

    • Morton99

      I believe they ARE tolerant of traditional marriage. In fact that is where most of them originated. So that is a pretty stupid thing to say don’t you think ?

  • Robert Pekarik

    We are in trouble thanks to Satan’s evil agenda to rid our world of any semblance of love, hope and common sense. His followers have been and continue to be duped by his lies. Pray constantly that our Lord will protect us against the wickedness and snares of Satan.

    • drantigmo

      Ummm no. We’re in this mess because Dupont, Monsanto, Dow, ICI and HUNDREDS of other chemical companies dump gender-bending chemicals on us and our environment. The result: homosexuals. So Satan has nothing to do with this….

      • Robert Pekarik

        Funny I can’t remember any historical documents that support these companies being around over 2000 years ago. Perhaps they were plying our ancestors with these gender bending chemicals in their underground facilities beneath the oceans????

  • My country

    The sodomites have embedded themselves in every aspect of our lives .Half of the politicians are perverts themselves .And lately we are finding out just how sick these pedofiles are .And this kind of lifestyle is what starts all of this .Never mind we don’t want their wicked perverted ideas .They are hell bent on pushing their agenda on everyone and they are now trying to destroy children .Like this situation.They know this is not a public but religious institution and that’s the reason they go there to create chaos in a place they know their lifestyle doesn’t And isn’t wanted .

    • Morton99

      You forget: Genesis 1:27
      So God created man in His own image; He created him in the image of God; He …. by God, and made a partaker of the Divine image, and of dominion over all.”.

      • drantigmo

        Yeah; you can shove that dominion over all stuff right up your homosexual fun-hole. That excuse for destroying the planet has gotten us into this LGBTV stink hole.

        • Morton99

          So you do not hold Christian beliefs.

  • Tiger

    Why? Gays are allowed to marry now, you can even marry yourself, this doesn’t hold water, but then what does from these muddled, befuddled and gits makes sense.

  • Edward N Haas

    All who truly embrace Jesus’ call to mercy know that what every genuine Christian must mainly do for the members of the LGBTQ community is to make sure they’ve been told what Sacred Scripture says is going to happen in death — namely THIS: In death, the separated soul’s capacity to know increases astronomically. As a result, when an all-revealing light then quickly presents one with an astro­nomically vast plenitude of truth regarding what each and every thing whatsoever is according
    to God’s infinitely informed standards, the separated soul shall grasp every iota of that plenitude both in­stantly and with perfect comprehension (Mark 4:22 & many others). It will then know with absolute cer­titude that what Catholic Doctrine proclaims gravely irra­tional sexual behav­ior is indeed such
    according to that set of infinitely informed standards. For the friends of fornication, adultery, birth control, mas­turbation, homosexual activity, same sex marriage, and LGBTQ rights, it will be a shock so terrifyingly humiliating, they’ll fail miserably to cope with it on their own. Naturally, since God is Infinitely Loving Love, God offers infinitely effective help to every soul regardless of his or her previous behavior; but, If, throughout and at the close of a mentally compe­tent life, one has vehemently rejected Catholic Doctrine’s take on illicit sexual activity, one will most adamantly refuse to accept even the tiniest bit of help from One Whose infinitely Informed standards confirm what Catholic Doctrine says about fornication, etc., and, instead, will most rabidly rage at God: “Oh, You blankety, blank, blank, blank! How dare You and Your infinitely informed standards make me and my standards look that infe­rior? Where, then, can I go to rest forever sure there can never ever be the slightest reduction in the in­tensity of the ferocity with which I shall hate and foul-mouth You and Your standards forever? Ah! I see it. Hell is that place. Therefore, O hell, into you do I hurl myself with all the gusto, full knowledge, and willingness possible to my astronomically enhanced mind. Yes, You blank­ety, blank, blank, blank God! Better is it to be forever in hell railing against You than ever to accept any help from the likes of You.” What’s to be feared in death is not how one’s self shall cause God or any of God’s angels and saints to react to one’s self but, rather, how one’s own self will cause ones’ own self to react to death’s astronomically vast plenitude of light and truth. With friends denying or making no mention of such a future danger, the members of the LGBTQ community need no enemies.

    In Herman Melville’s book, “Moby Dick”, the relationship between Capt. Ahab and the whale, can be taken as an allegorical portrayal of the relationship between God and hell’s addicts. Take it as such,
    and Capt. Ahab’s dying words are a breathtakingly striking illustration of that relationship’s nature as he growls: “Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grap­ple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee.” As for who is
    truly the source of such an utterly savage and insane relationship, Melville spells it out when, some 21 paragraphs earlier, he writes: “Oh! Ahab,” cried Starbuck, “not too late is it even now, the third day, to desist. See! Moby Dick seeks thee not; It is thou, though, that madly seekest him!” Yes! Say to the Du­rant types of this world: No! God is not some omnipotent ogre in the skies seeking to hurt you for warr­ing against God’s infinitely informed standards; rather, it is you who madly seek to hurt God by endlessly grappling with God as you stab at God from hell’s heart and, for hate’s sake, spit your dying breath at God.

    • drantigmo

      Ummmmmm your momma drop you on the head when you were born???

      • Edward N Haas

        @drantigmo: Are you asking me or yourself?

    • guitarman122763

      Hey Ed,,I think you forgot to take your meds,,Sorry to inform but their is no light when a person dies,,,, just darkness ..death is death beyond a shadow of a doubt but that person is neither lost or saved ,,,he,s nothing because he is dead awaiting the resurrection . All who have lived and died before Christs return are dead including the likes of Marry,,,So stop praying to a dead person.

      • Morton99

        Well we shall never know what awaits us – and that is probably a blessing. Personally I do not think that there is any kind of judgement on how you live your life. Just like all aspects of the natural world – your imperfections will eventually result in your extinction. And that – I suspect – is exactly where humans are headed.

  • drantigmo

    Yeah…. LGBTV are a problem. But what do you do with them? Seriously.

    The chemicals the GOP demands they be allowed to dump on us cause them…. so the more chemicals we dump into the environment means the more of them there will be.
    So what’s the answer?

    • Morton99

      Well that’s novel !

      • Tired…

        Great deadpan!

  • jimdarnall

    Just as these gay right folks have a right to believe what they believe so does the other group on traditional marriage. Shouod be no debate there. The difference is the left non thinkers can’t deal with truth. Hopeflly the school administration will hold firm in truth.

    • Morton99

      That is at least fair !

  • guitarman122763

    The editing and grammar in this piece is horrendous ! I could,nt even finish reading it its so bad ,,does,nt anyone care about grammar and spelling any more ?

    • Morton99

      It is a clue into the writer’s education and/or ignorance. Be thankful that it is a rudimentary rating system.

    • Tired…

      Unfortunately that is an ongoing issue on this site. Such errors are barriers to being viewed as credible.

  • Oldawg70

    When/Where immorality prevails…society fails…ALWAYS! Queer Logic is immoral!

    • Morton99

      Immorality is in the eyes of the beholder. It is in constant change.

      • Oldawg70

        Nice try Morty but morality comes from GOD alone…and those parameters have remained the same since the creation of mankind! GOD gave us free will so we can choose our own destiny, but there are still only two choices…Heaven or Hell!

        • Morton99

          That is merely a belief which can be argued by either side of the issue. It is not evidence and thus could never be used in a court of law. The problem is that anyone can claim that God spoke to him/her – and many have.

          • Tired…

            Morton99 your observation is accurate, but there is more to the story. Belief or unbelief does not change reality. God is either there or he/she is not; from a human perspective neither side can be proved “in a court of law,” which means that both sides require faith to power their worldview.

          • Morton99

            That is certainly true – and it is a nice feeling to think that is an entity up there who is willing to come to your assistance. But that is a somewhat illogical idea from my point of view; humans have as many different opinions about anything as there are humans. Can all of their views be correct ? Well my answer is – yes they can – but these decisions have consequences and worse (or is it better?) – they create a reality for your spirit AS YOU SEE IT. I like to think that for each mistake there is a door through which you can escape – when you look for it. But it might lead you into an even darker reality. I could go on but I think you can see where this is headed. Morality is a map reader.

          • Tired…

            Sure, if your premise is accurate, you are correct. However, if it is not, then your explanation is not either. As we both stated earlier, neither side can prove their point.

          • Morton99

            I agree with you. However I find that as time goes on what was once mystical phenomena can be explained within the rules of the physical world. The idea of creating your own reality is of course – not mine. As we understand more and more how the human mind works – this has been one of the theories that is producing the most fruit. I have always been fascinated with the nexus between mathematics and phenomena. We know – for example – that nothing is ever destroyed in the physical realm – it simply transforms into an other form. And so it is not a huge stretch to consider that life itself is simply another indestructible property of what we can see in the physical realm.

          • Tired…

            There is some truth in that, but as we find explanations for physical phenomena, we also uncover new questions to answer because we discover increasing complexity. Multiple regression is an unsatisfying end to such inquiries. Science is a wonderful tool, but in the end it is limited to the physical world and cannot authoritatively speak to the possibilities beyond the physical.

          • Morton99

            Yes – as true as that is there is enormous value in using what may well be incomplete understanding. For example you cannot prove that 1 + 1 equals 2. It is called an axiom. But regardless of the proof that axiom can help discover and unlock enormous mysteries. In fact an axiom may be regarded as a truth because it usually is one ‘aspect’ of a truth without ever being complete. So another facet of truth is usefulness.

          • Tired…

            In this context, absolutely…by necessity we all operate from an incomplete understanding. However that still does not allow science to authoritatively address the metaphysical. An incomplete understanding is still incomplete.

          • Morton99

            I don’t think that science EVER claims complete understanding. While the theory of relativity has been superseded – it is still useful because it is a simpler way of explaining a quantum relationship than a more complex theory, without being wrong. That is why it is called a theory. In fact all mathematics is theoretical. It is not possible to manifest much quantum theory because to prove or disprove it requires physical attributes that are simply out of reach in the physical world in which we live. I do believe, however, that we are at the frontier of what one might think of as quantum gateways – that perhaps it may one day be possible to travel in a metaphysical universe. But back to the original point, religion is and was a convenient but very limiting way of explaining the mystical, the idea of infinity, of everlasting existence – and this enrages many because they think that this is forbidden territory and may threaten their idea of divinity.

          • Tired…

            I believe that we are on the same page regarding science. Your explanation of religion certainly has some validity, but it does not mean that all conceptualizations of a Creator have the same simplistic view of the physical world or the metaphysical. In addition, one could argue that the idea of quantum gateways offers the promise of insight into the mystical that, although more sophisticated, is not all that different from religion; currently there is no proof, only belief. I say ask all the questions you want; either way the questions are harmless. If God exists, honest answers will of necessity point to His/Her existence; if not, then there is no one to harm. Those who fear questions have a weak god who doesn’t’ deserve worship. Nevertheless humanity still operates on faith.

          • Morton99

            Its a fair point – but frankly I hope you’re wrong – its seems such a limited idea of infinity but then based upon my own explanations – you do create your own reality so perhaps that is all some will ever comprehend. I am tempted to offer even more rational explanations about why – as a rational explanation of God, the bible is wrong – bit I shall leave it at that.

          • Tired…

            I hear what you are saying but I don’t think that anyone is close to understanding infinity, regardless of their point of view, so to me it seems that the possibilities are, well, endless. If there is a Creator, then it stands to reason that He/She is more intelligent than humanity will ever be. If that is the case, then it is unlikely that we have the capacity to fully understand the Creator or the Universe around us.

          • Morton99

            PS Thank you for your spirited and delicate defense of my intellect 🙂

      • ABO

        Not surprised to hear that from you. You are in fact bereft of morals, ethics and most obviously the inability to think logically.

        • Tired…

          ABO, I appreciate your comments and we are usually in agreement. While I frequently disagree with Morton99, he is a thoughtful individual with whom one can hold a rational conversation. In this regard he is different from the usual suspects and therefore should be treated with respect.

          In this case I do not agree with the underlying premise of his comment, but my disagreement is based on my worldview, as is his. He cannot prove his point and I cannot prove mine because they are both articles of faith derived from our observations of the world around us. He assumes that there are no absolutes and I operate from the assumption that absolutes do exist. Nevertheless, his comment is consistent with his worldview and is therefore logical from his perspective.

          • ABO

            I very rarely disagree with you, tired but I this particular case I cannot accept your description of Morton99 as “a thoughtful individual with whom one can hold a rational conversation”. I have found him to be the antithesis of that description. Sorry, Tired but we’re way off on this one, although I sincerely hope this one point does not in any way preclude our otherwise congenial rapport.

          • Tired…

            I understand and I do not see having a difference of opinion as a problem. I can only reference my interactions with Morton99 and, while we usually disagree, I have found that once you get through the occasional snarkiness of an initial comment he is willing to engage in a thoughtful conversation if you don’t attack him. To me this is vastly different from AKLady, gottabegood, et al., but your experience may be different. Regardless, I see no issue between us. I hope that you have a great day!

          • ABO

            Thank you for that, Tired. It is so refreshing to converse with someone so completely reasonable, something that I sometimes have a hard time with myself. You have a great day as well, Tired.

          • Tired…

            ABO, I appreciate your approach as well. It would be nice if all conversations were this civil.

          • ABO

            Wouldn’t it though. Thanks Tired.

          • Tired…

            You are welcome ABO

  • Joseph Nicholas Toth Jr.

    With their Pope, it’s only a matter of time you will be able to marry any one,any thing regardless of their sex . They do it in Canada !

    • Morton99

      What do they do in Canada ?

      • Joseph Nicholas Toth Jr.

        You can marry animals and have sex with animals !

        • Morton99

          Oh my. Did you marry a Canadian horse ?

          • Joseph Nicholas Toth Jr.

            No, I’m waiting for Rosie O’Donnell .same thing!

  • Jo Ann Cooper

    It’s a frightening thought that some day the mushbrains being coddled by today’s “Institutes of Higher Learning” will be in positions of high influence & power!

    • ABO

      Well said, Jo Ann. Thank you for your insightful comment.

  • Oldchopper

    Why are most comments on this site circular in content. Disagreement about disagreement. Are we chasing our tails on this? What was the story about again?

  • Traditional marriage is a man and a woman, we except your beliefs because we are told to, so shut up and stop saying it’s hate speech while we go about our beliefs.
    Your the odd ones, so don’t demonize our beliefs.

  • Mimi

    There are many misguided Catholics – inside and outside of the church and it saddens me. The word “marriage” – in my opinion – can mean just the merger of two or more “things”. The biblical meaning is the legal merging of one man and one woman for the purpose of making a home and raising a family. Guess that is old-fashioned these days – but in my mind, that is it!!

  • a fool

    The Purpose of the Catholic Church is to follow Jesus our Lord’s Teachings for the Salvation of our souls as well as to help our NEIGHBOR, if there is a need for the sake of their souls. The Church is like a hospital for us the Sinners! “It is NOT the healthy who need the doctor. I come to call sinners.” The Church is for those who believe they are Sinners! Those who do not SIN need not to join the Catholic Church! Jesus was born to die for one REASON ONLY THAT IS TO PAVE THE WAY FOR THOSE of us who are sinners! : “If you love me, keep my Commandments!” John 14:15. “Carry your cross and follow me, i am the Way, the Truth and the Life.” John 14:6 If one does not wants to keep His Commandments, then, that one should does as he/she wants! The FREE WILL is for everyone! His Commandments are the Ten Commandments and the Two golden Rules. Those who do not love HIM, need not to attend any Catholic School, nor follow His Commandments, He does not beg nor play any form of Political Games! He only wants those WHO LOVE HIM AND LIVE IN HIS WORDS! Please, those of you who do not want to keep HIS COMMANDMENTS, leave the Catholic Churches and the Catholic Schools, and be happy being YOU! Let us all be free to live as we want, never be a Hypocrites! Why pretend to be one thing, while it is the other thing that one truly wants to be? What a waste of LIFE! “Man, know thyself!” ‘Man, to thyself be true!” Never be a wolf in sheep skin! “Lair, lair, pants on FIRE!” as the children used to say!

  • GrizzMann

    The Catholic Church, now employing NEWSPEAK. How wonderful.

  • Larry Brule

    NO SUCH THING AS GAY. THESE ARE THE UNHAPPIEST PEOPLE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH BECAUSE THEY ARE FALSE. QUEERS DON’T EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD. THE DIMOCRATS HAVE GLORIFIED A FALSE LIFE STYLE TO GET VOTES.

  • RC

    If that bunch of queers had kept their mouths shut in the first place they wouldn’t be crying about normal people not approving of their immoral ways. The dictionary has changed the definition of the word gay just to appease them. Now they want to force their way of life on others. Speaking for myself, leave me alone and I’ll leave you yum yums alone.

    • Morton99

      I seriously doubt that even the most horny gay would be interested in forcing it on you. You are really much too conceited.

      • RC

        You are too damn ignorant to even know the meaning of the word. I didn’t insult you or any other queer so try acting like a man instead one of the “boys” in Frisco.

        • Morton99

          I shall just leave that hanging. In the same sentence you denied insulting me while trying to demean me. That is just whacky.

  • SILENTHAMMER

    I’m sure there is nothing meeting the standard definition of “proof” in the complaint. Georgetown was being patient with the children who want to sin. God gives us FREE WILL to do right or do wrong. We HOPE these children of the complaint will stop being selfish and obstinate ON THEIR OWN, realize their infantile behavior and become rational, contributing, honorable citizens.

  • Richard Hennessy

    Speaking the truth isn’t hate speech. Many people apparently have lost the ability to think logically. Regardless of what the Supreme Court may have dictated, marriage can only be between a man and a woman, unless a new type of conception has become possible.

  • will

    The constitution apply to all – not just the left

  • Knowledge Transfer

    Georgetown is not a Catholic University because it is run by the Jesuits – the once morally mighty Society of Jesus – which has with premeditation been transformed – especially since the superfluous and infamous Vatican II – into the Society of Judas via the likes of Jorge Bergoglio [Pope Pandemonium] and perverted and pampered prelates like James Martin [notice I didn’t include the salutation Fr. James Martin]. Today, the Jesuits [at least in the USA] are soldiers of purposeful convoluted confusion not soldiers of Christ. Destroying the RC Church from the outside-in has proven impossible…but from the inside out it has become more than possible. The once morally mighty RC Church no longer exists. In far too many ways and in far too many places and inch by incremental inch, the Roman Catholic Church has been transformed into a mere social uplift union; yet another protestant denomination; or a political party campaigning for “modernist” votes by justifying the unjustifiable and telling people what the secular world wants to hear. The Church militant has been transformed into the Church marshmallow.

  • PBHayes

    Put me down as a “hater”. Marriage in a civilized society has always been between one man and one woman and nothing the left can do to destroy it can change that fact.

    • Morton99

      So has civilized adultery. LOL !

  • justbanjojim

    LGBL’s need to take this matter up with the Person who created the rules of what describes a ‘marriage’. Two women and or two men cannot become married. How on earth could the consummation occur? Sodomy and cunnilingus are only considered foreplay. I would be inclined to argue those points.

  • mike

    The issue is HATE speech. Why do we allow fringe groups to indulge in HATE speech, and call us names. Because we are tolerant. Open to discussion.
    The otherside of this and other issues are not open to discussion, taking every chance to close down “free speech”. The second amendment is not the only one under attack. The first is being kicked pretty hard. This is a fact that is scary, the 1st. is very important.
    Reading the article I do not see any hate speech, only a statement of fact. A point of discussion. It appears that a response would for the aggrieved to write an article stating their position. Butttttttt no,
    they call it hate speech and the college investigates and makes a big deal. A Catholic school no less.

  • b glad

    They fostered intolerance to sin. That is what love, not hate, does.

  • Katia

    It’s amazing how all these wing nuts think they can decide what’s right and what’s wrong and everyone is suppose to bend over for their wacked opinions.and cry foul if anyone doesn’t agree..Well to hell with all of them..They will answer before the only powerful judge in the end..and will stand alone period for their sins so who cares that they think they can do what the feel like here on earth one day they will pay the price..By the way FREEDOM OF SPEECH belongs to ALL AMERICANS PERIOD SO GET OFF YOUR JIBBING TRAIN THINKING YOU OWN SPEECH..YOU DON’T..Those of us that live a normal married life don’t seem to have to be looking for attention in the streets and blasting on t.v. how they are treated..

  • DonRS

    It is NOT the responsibility of the accused to prove they are innocent. It is the OBLIGATION of the accusers (the oh so easily offended) to prove their GUILT. That is the American form of jurisprudence. We have not yet adopted Sharia Law, in this country, EXCEPT where EDUCRATS are in charge!

    Georgetown is steeped in socialism of the demonstrated EVIL Pope Francis!

  • PBHayes

    People who commit adultery usually never intended to honor their marriage vows which vitiate their marriage. They were never truly married.

  • Manuel

    This is how appealing God finds homosexuality. He calls it an abomination and says that homosexuals will be reserved to the lake of fire. You may not believe the bible, but for the people who believe that the bible is the word of God, myself included, this settles the matter.

  • Manuel

    It amazes me the side turns people take to find something that agrees with their personal beliefs. I guess we can all agree with the fact that God protected His Word. As history tell us, the scribes were to repeat the word and the next scribe repeats the same word going down a long line to make sure no mistakes were made.

  • Philomena

    Satan is surely on the prowl. In the beginning God created Adam and Eve. He did not at first create Jack and Tom.

  • Manuel

    You know, this is very simple. The constitution defines marriage as between a man and a woman, if you are going to amplify this to be between two beasts or one beast and one gay or two gays, you’ll have insurance problems, tax evasions problems ad infinitum. This is a Christian nation witha constitution and gays don’t have the priviledge to break the constitution. They can break the word of God because we serve a loving God who allows anyone to do as they please with their life, but there’s a day of judgment too. As far as the constitution, the rest of us, need to protect our values and our laws we can’t, for the sake of accommodation, allow the gay community to define marrige for the rest of us or preclude us to talk about marriage because it is not THEIR marriage and the same goes for everything else that usurpes OUR rights as Americans to THE CONSTITUTION. So illegals are no longer illegals because some judge got a few hundred thousand dollars from Soros.

    If we didn’t have so many corrupted congress man and women who had sold America for money, they would defend Americans and the Constitution and such a judge would be out.

    The gays have rights, so the straight people have rights too. What is their problem? TAlking about established marriage is a hate crime? I say a hate crime is to talk about gay marriage, how’s that?

  • Dale Morrison

    What a load of BS…the left thinks that if a conservative tells a couple who’s living in sin is wrong they define it as hate speech…I’m sick of the left being accused of using hate speech when it’s antifa who is a radical arm of the Democratic Party….we conservatives can not even open our mouths without them claiming hate speech…the left uses hate speech on a daily basis but the NY slime or the Washington compost fails to report it everytime or they’ll edit their tapes when a lefty uses hate speech then they’ll claim they never did…well I’m hip to their game and we that believe in Trafitional marriage has to keep putting pressure on it especially on Trmp so he can get it overturned….and you people wonder why God is punishing the United States the way he is….we have to change our way of life like the founding fathers intended the US to be…but with people like the Obamas, Clinton’s, Pelosi, that hair hatred troll Maxine Waters and the rest of that thieving group on the left it’s gonna be hard but we have to do it/….

  • AH THE OLD COUNCIL OF NICEA. THAT IS THE HOME OF THE NICENE CREED. I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH PLUS ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN FOR MARRIAGE. NO EXCEPTIONS. NICEA HAS A DIFFERENT NAME TODAY. IT IS IN TURKEY. THE ENTIRE CITY REFUSED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM AND WAS BEHEADED. THEIR CHURCHES WERE TURNED INTO STABLES FOR HORSES. SAME AS TODAY. THE BIGGEST THREAT TODAY ARE DEMOCRATS. THEY KILL KIDS.

  • David T.

    Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. These sodomites can shove it…. oh, wait, they already are…

  • Julia

    They have admitted this is a Catholic Univ. you knew this when you enrolled, why did you do that? I get it, it was your intention to get them to change and embrace your homosexuality or you will be doing just what you are doing now. FAKING outrage and hostility. Heterosexuals are not trying to change you; it is intimidating, hostile and makes us very uncomfortable because we have to watch what we say, by no mean give off any body language that you would deem insulting. On the other hand, you feel you can say and do anything you please to anyone. I am going to put you on notice you disrespect my feeling and since of comfort and I will reciprocate. I am tire of being intimidate in a hostile environment.
    Therefore, when the next person you insult or made to feel uncomfortable do not FAKE discrimination or a hostile atmosphere when you created it.

    • Paul Little

      “They have admitted this is a Catholic Univ. you knew this when you enrolled, why did you do that:”

      If they were to be honest, it was probably done to try to force acceptance of only their views and another attack on one man, one woman marriage

      • Julia

        That I will believe

  • Sherry Pennington

    I believe in traditional marriage. I don’t hate people who don’t agree, but I do believe that they should not force their way of thinking onto Christians. Live and let live. There shouldn’t be punishment for either group for their convictions.

  • larry harvey

    If one believes in Biblical marriage then one believes in polygamy which is sanctioned in that book. There is no such thing as “traditional Marriage” since marriage as changed over time. It used to be that “traditional marriage” meant the male head of household decided whom one would marry. Arranged child marriages were not uncommon. Not long ago in some jurisdictions one could not marry a person of a different race.

    • Richard Hennessy

      I prefer the term “natural marriage”. Gay marriage is contrary to nature and science. There is no basis for “gay” marriage. The government has confused marriage with tax treatment by an absurd income tax system. Very difficult to reasonably define what income is for purposes of taxation.

      • Morton99

        Yes there is – its called a State Registry. I hope you realize that a clergyman cannot join a couple in marriage unless he is licensed in the State in which he officiates. Otherwise the marriage has absolutely no legal basis as such.

        • Richard Hennessy

          What?

      • larry harvey

        Richard–What’s “natural”? I have never seen two persons define it the same way. Homosexuality is found throughout nature and there are tens of millions of GLBQ humans so it is “natural”. All through history there have been gay couples living and loving together often for decades. Nothing new about that. As for tax treatment, some individuals, including gays could find their taxes increases rather than decreased by marriage. I agree the income tax is very complex and “income” and other tax terms difficult to define. Simplification is needed. But reducing the number of tax brackets and giving tax breaks to the wealthy as trump proposes does not simplify anything.

        • Richard Hennessy

          The answer to what’s natural is simple: what can lead to and support procreation. That’s what nature intends. Anything else is a perversion, which, yes, can occur in nature. Regarding taxation, I don’t agree that what Republicans are currently proposing is much of a reform or simplification. I am a supporter of the “Fair Tax”, eliminating the income tax altogether.

          • larry harvey

            Richard most people do not indulge in sex to procreate. Millions of straight couples marry who cannot have or do not want children. Are you saying their marriages are “unnatural”? The income tax has many faults but at least in theory it is progressive, meaning people are taxed in accordance with their ability to pay. If the income tax were abolished, the government would not be able to finance its needs.

          • Richard Hennessy

            I never suggested what you have suggested. No marriage is unnatural when the couple has the physical makeup to procreate, whether it chooses to do so or not.

  • desert fox

    When will the Catholic Campuses get back to Catholic Campuses and Catholic Schools are you so efn hard up for the dollar that you take the gutter trash demoncrats to turn the colleges into whore houses.

  • Mary G. Nolan

    Stand with God or fall!

    “I think what’s happening here is this is punishment by process,” Mattox
    said. “This complaint came to Georgetown and Georgetown permitted these
    students to be put through for several weeks of this attempt to silence
    them on campus because of what they believe. And that’s ultimately the
    fault of Georgetown.”

  • MIKE6080

    maybe the lgbt should attend another school

  • Deb

    Marriage is a holy union between man and woman for believers in God which sexually challenged people want to make unholy for the Devil’s will.

    • gotabgood

      And how many wives did King Solomon? Were they all holy unions?
      How many wives did David have?
      Is murder an exception for David? and to peek at his neighbors wife?
      Peter lied about Jesus

  • jim jones

    One man, one woman, NO perverts!

  • Paul Little

    Just the tip of the iceberg of the “tolerance” from the sexually confused.
    No one is allowed to have a different opinion and express that opinion
    in the world they want

  • higgy01

    I guess the LGBT nincompoops think that only they can use the 1st amendment. There are many non-Christians, myself included, that strongly think marriage is between a man and a woman. There is no other definition.

  • will

    Society becomes more perverse each day. I have not been in a catholic church since 76 they are as corrupt as the left. Most are dems I think.

  • Manuel
  • Richard Start

    More importantly is the idea of how these members’ of the LGBT community are using their situation to attack Freedom of Religion, Speech, The Right to Assemble and the basic reason we as American’s once called ourselves Free. We could disagree with each other without being condemned as hate monger’s for having our own opinion. If this were one of George Orwell’s books it would not be hard to determine which group they represent. If you can figure it out I’m not insulting them, they are recognizing the truth behind their actions. If they can’t figure it our I’m just stupid.

  • Floyd

    Wake up FOOLS it was Adam and EVE not Adam and Steve

    • Morton99

      Things have modernized considerably since then. No more slaves, for example. Women can vote (quite recent). Gays can be free to choose their partners like heterosexuals, and receive the same benefits that the law and tax code provides to heterosexual marriages. That seems very fair to me since they pay taxes just like everyone else.

    • AKLady

      How do you know? Were you there?

      • nocbsfan

        Sure was wasn’t you , LOL

  • WhiteFalcon

    Honorable groups should start attacking hate groups and accusing them of hate speech and being hate groups.

  • Mr. Manfredgensenden

    What are LGBTQEIEIOs even DOING at a Catholic university?!

  • Floyd

    If it was Adam and Steve we would not be here at all.

  • jdbixii

    The problem with the left is that there is no absolute basis for law. Without God, purpose and law are merely what man says they are. With “justifiable” everything, the law which, for the benefit of purpose, would proscribe some behaviors, is the victim of those who see no justification for it, as a matter of “freedom of choice.”
    Then, of course, there are those who believe that innate “predeterminedness” prevents them from exercising “freedom of choice.” How problematic is this for the legal system? “The devil made me do it,” is not merely “innate predeterminedness.” It is a choice relative to purpose.

    • Morton99

      I could help you out there. My God has a strict rule book. Yours is very contradictory.

  • A_Nobody

    If you disagree with a kumquat liberal anything you say is hate speech to these children. Like the two year old’s they are, they use the few words they know.

  • Don Taylor

    just how stupid can these idiots get????

  • John Moore

    Catholic Doctrine has been the guiding light steering us for the past 2,000 years. An institution that has lasted that long has staying power and speaks for itself. Marriage is between one man and one woman and common sense will tell you that. In regards to hurting other feelings St. Agustine says “Hate the Sin but Love the Sinner. Peace to you all.

  • Taking care of business!

    I’ve just read NWO Soros has bought his way into the Roman Catholic Church, so this makes sense.

    • Morton99

      You should avoid the gutter press. They write salacious and fabricated stories just because the intellectually challenged love them.

  • Kenneth Jones

    Why Georgetown University tolerates these LBGTQ students on their campus is beyond me. They should be kicked off campus and banned from ever returning.

  • Murphmeister

    I graduated from a Jesuit College of long repute. I hope this sort of thing doesn’t go on there although I have not heard of it.

  • Brenda Sinclair

    MARRIAGE IS IN THE BIBLE DEFINED BY GOD, marriage is between and man and a woman not between two men or two women, God calls homosexuality an abomination of worst kind, for that reason God caused fire to destroy two cities sodom and Gomorrah not one person man woman or child were saved except lot and his family who did not practice satans homosexuals abominations, i often wondered why the children were also destroyed.. i know now as a parent, those children growing up with homosexuals would also have become one, simply because they were born from satans seeds(children) generations (genesis 3;15) read<proof satans has his seeds (children) proof God did not create satans seeds children….proof God did create His children thur Adam and eve in Gods own image and likeness, therefore from day one there has been two generations on this earth SATANS GENERATIONS AND GOD GENERATIONS… SO WHO IS YOUR TRUE DADDY??? SATAN ALLAH,LUCIFER, OR GOD ALMIGHTY IN HEAVEN? it is easy to pick out satans children by what actions they take and their beliefs,God and his children do not believe in same sex marriage or homosexuals therefore they are the children of satan/allah https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f358be09bd274550a86f1472bde75fbf9b3ae9124c486245dd1e283f2320858.jpg

  • Gardener8

    When Catholic Colleges and Universities hired non-catholics and ultra-liberal catholics, catholic
    teachings were no longer adhered to. These institutions are now a shameful example for
    true catholics to avoid.