ACLU Will Not Defend Religious Freedom


Though they’ve positioned themselves as an unbiased organization in favor of civil rights for all Americans, the American Civil Liberties Union has long been accused of courting liberal favor. Time and again, conservatives have watched suspiciously as the ACLU has chosen to pursue cases that buck tradition. And thus it comes as little surprise to listen to their latest announcement.

According to the ACLU’s deputy legal director Louise Melling, the esteemed organization will no longer take religious freedom cases. Writing in the Washington Post, Melling mourns the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of old. When it was used to stick up for Sikhs, Muslims, and Native Americans, it was a damn fine piece of legislation. Now that it is being used by Christians, though, the ACLU is “concerned” that the RFRA could be used to legalize discrimination.

This is, of course, a reaction to the political climate of the day. The Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage has allowed blatant liberals to come out of the closet…so to speak. Now that five justices have used their preternatural wisdom to decide on a new definition of marriage, these individuals and organizations can finally come out and say what they really mean. Christianity is bad, gay is good, now let’s see what other changes we can make to the fabric of the country!

It’s one thing to hear Democrats and liberal bloggers claim that the RFRA is being used as a tool for discrimination, but it’s quite another to see (supposedly) learned legal experts claim the same. What causes less strife? Allowing business owners to decide for themselves which products and services they will sell? Or mandating that anyone and everyone must espouse the progressive agenda on gay marriage? In scenario one, a couple wanting gay pride t-shirts can simply go to another store. In scenario two, business owners, county clerks, and possibly even clergymen will be forced to choose between their beliefs and their livelihoods.

If this was really about discrimination, that would be one thing. But there is no movement to allow business owners to turn gay people away at the door. This is about whether or not those owners should be forced by law to make gay products, participate in gay events, and support the gay agenda. According to…well…common sense, you can’t discriminate against an idea or an event or a message. But according to the new liberal theory, refusing to bake a gay wedding cake is the same as refusing to serve a gay customer.

The ACLU should reconsider their stance on religious freedom. Unlike gay marriage, religious freedom is codified in the Bill of Rights. In fact, it is provided for in the very first of those amendments, indicating perhaps that the Founding Fathers felt it was rather important. It may not be trendy to stick up for religious freedom in 2015 – it may not score you any points at your little liberal meetup at Starbucks – but it is essential to the continued survival of our great American experiment.

  1. country boy says

    The ACLU will not defend religious freedoms for one reason and one reason only. The ACLU is an extension of the Obama administration where religious freedom has nothing too do with the Obama administration’s new world order theology. Where only the government has ultimate authority. And that my fellow patriots is the Obama change he promised for America. semper fi

    1. jim_wright says

      The ACLU predates Obama and is ju ssh tcas twisted no we as ever. Obama is not the only evil person around. The ACLU is simply an organization acting on the anti-american teachingcthat the members received in school.

      1. tubesaft says

        How much do they get of our tax dollars? Unless they defend all causes they are a political party.

    2. Tasine says

      Of course the ACLU is with Obama – they are both Marxists in overdrive.

    3. KLH6 says

      ACLU was extremely liberal before Obama. They have probably done more damage to this country than any organization we have. They are always at the forefront to remove crosses or any Christian symbol. I envision someday sandblasting the frieze over the Supreme Court & many of our other monuments. What a sad pathetic group of people who are offended by every word that doesn’t match their agenda & appeal to ACLU to obliterate our freedoms.

      1. Cindy Garcia says

        Wrong. Forced religion violates liberties.

        1. Rick Owen says

          Get your head out of your bottom, Cindy. Religion is not forced on anybody. Yet Those who are religious are having liberal laws forced on them. How can a business be sued because it follows Gods precepts and not mans? ACLU has always been biased, open your eyes. The once great thing about America and the reason America was founded was for Freedom of Religion and not having a “state run religion” forced on you.

          1. Cindy Garcia says

            Rick, it certainly was. Read about Engel v. Vitale (1962). And, by the way, religion also includes Jewish and Muslim under the first amendment.

          2. Michael Dennewitz says

            She can’t help it, she’s got to be a dumbocrat!! :-))

          3. OSAMA OBAMA says

            “Religion is not forced on anybody”….Torment to Non-believers:
            burn their skin black; repeat

            SURA 4.56: (As for) those who
            disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire;
            so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will
            change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement;
            surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

          4. kotoc says

            I suppose you’re referring to the Islamic religion, right? Because I can’t imagine a CHRISTIAN doing anything like that to someone.

          5. OSAMA OBAMA says

            It said “ALLAH is mighty” then to make sure you knew allah is a joke, it said, Wise. LMAO. Gee, I hope Ohussein doesn’t sic the I.R.S. on me.

        2. David C Kelder says

          Anti religion activities violate freedoms as well. As long as you are not forced into any religious activity, that activity should not be disallowed.

          1. Cindy Garcia says

            Well, David, kids graduating HS are subject to listening to a valedictorian rambling about Jesus. Now, of course, I have no problem with that so long as a valedictorian is also allowed to ramble about Mohammed. Are you OK with that?

          2. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Jesus doesn’t proscribe beheadings….Torment to Non-believers: burn their skin black; repeat
            SURA 4.56: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

          3. Michael Dennewitz says

            Moohumid was a pedophile child rapist and a goat humper!!!

          4. David C Kelder says

            Yes! I am fine with that. More than that, I am firmly in support of it. Everyone should have the same freedoms. BTW In many schools, the valedictorian must submit her speech before time for approval by the administration. No one should be permitted speech that is vulgar or insulting at a graduation ceremony. It would not be discrimination, in my opinion, to shut off the mike should that occur.

            Most public schools have moved their baccalaureate services off campus and they tend to be funded by parent donations.

          5. kotoc says

            Not in the U.S.A.

          6. Antileft says

            Sounds like you just have a chip on your shoulder against Christians because we beat you commies in the Cold War.

          7. Nathan says

            Shouldn’t be, but is

        3. chief1937 says

          Using your own words then I ask how do you explain Christian businesses being forced to conform to gays desires or be sued? Just who is forcing whom prey tell?

          1. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Excellent. But you can refuse if you are a muslime business.

    4. Clyde Hansen 1 says

      You are absolutly correct. Your words were short and to the point. I do think that you should have added the words ” Marxist and Communist “. The ACLU was started by and operated by card carring Communists.

    5. Nathan says

      You hit it right in the head there country boy.

  2. jim scofield says

    This really should not surprise any one with a grain of
    common sense. The ACLU has always been anti Christin
    as well as anti American. The Puritans had it right Lawyers
    were not allowed in town.

    1. Cindy Garcia says

      Wrong. It is NOT anti-Christian to say school kids cannot be forced to pray or the school can’t sponsor it.

      1. OSAMA OBAMA says

        Agreed, BUT when has a school forced kids to pray? Quite the opposite, the school’s administrators froth, whine and get their panties bunched up when a child prays before a test or football game.

      2. Brenda says

        FORCED!!!!!!! Spoken like a true atheist. But, it is okay for schools to force children to attend a muslim mosque under the guise of learning about another culture? Or it’s alright to force children in pre-school to be infected with LBGT dogma? Wake up and look around. We have become an immoral country, without any pretense of common courtesy, rampant greed, and violence.

        1. OSAMA OBAMA says

          The turds on the left whimper about separation of Church and state but not a peep when, “Muslim cabbies now have their very own place at San Francisco
          International Airport to wash their hands and feet before they pray”. How progressive and utterly hypocritical.

      3. peanut butter says

        Nobody is FORCED to pray. If they don’t like what the majority of people like, they can sit it out silently, or better, leave the room. Then they don’t step on the privileges of the majority. The very fact that you want it completely stopped shows that you are more than willing to step on somebody else’s rights to get your way, but you don’t want to grant others the rights that they have enjoyed for a lifetime. I’ll never figure out how the liberal mind works. I am thankful to my Creator for that.

    2. MAHB001 says

      The sole purpose of the ACLU was to use the Courts technical decisions against American Values.

      Now that the courts are doing it for them, there is no need for the ACLU.

      From the Agenda list in the book, “The Naked Communist.”

      16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

    3. Mark says

      The Absolutely Crush [Our] Liberties Union has finally spoken. It’s time to remove them from the picture..

      1. Joseph Nicholas Toth Jr. says

        Now come on now, I don’t know of anyone who would have expected the ACLU to defend religious liberties. Penn and Teller are just too of the lowlifes that support the ACLU. I can’t stand the sight of him.

        1. peanut butter says

          Penn’s atheist. Probably Teller, too. That explains a lot.

  3. dude says

    the aclu they’re just as corrupt as this whole government we have at the moment…but hopfully it will all go back to normal in 2016 unless hillary clinton gets in… then it will get a whole lot worse… us couldn’t survive hillary

    1. jim_wright says

      Even if Hillary is defeated, the rest of the democrats and RINOs will still be in place so the job won’t be over.

      1. Gerry Costa says

        Well Jim — let’s hope that the American voters are intelligent enough to vote whatever demoRAT and rino that is up for reelection out of office.

        1. Remmie says

          I don’t think the ballot box works any longer.

          1. Gerry Costa says

            Unfortunately Remmie you just might be right !!!

          2. kotoc says

            Unfortunately, I think you’re right about that, Remmie…. I have a really STRONG hunch that the elections are rigged now to ensure full (or the majority) Democrat rule over us. They “allow” us to vote so we feel like we’re the ones who decides who gets elected… it’s all a big smoke and mirror operation now.

          3. Texas Woman says

            So then it is time for the true Americans to get off our backsides and volunteer for every election. If you find voter fraud, scream it to the network’s and anyone else who is listening. Stop acting like a bunch of beaten down sissies. DO SOMETHING!

          4. David C Kelder says

            Do you think the MSM will care? In spite of overwhelming evidence of voter fraud, there are few prosecutions or corrective actions.

          5. Rick Rogers says

            That because there is no such thing as in person Voter Fraud. Your talked about a fiction.. Of the votes cast since 2000 your talking about .00004% of the votes that were Fraudulent. I tell you what we will spot you the .00004% of that Vote and if it will make you feel better.

          6. NavymanBill says

            Rick Rogers, are you serious? In some areas of Illinois in 2012, there was 110 PERCENT voter participation!! They were registering dead people and using the IDs of dead people to vote, and YOU say there was NO in person voter fraud. Really? While we’re at it, I’d like to talk to you about a bridge I own in Brooklyn that’s for sale. Maybe you’d be interested? I’m running a special on it today, but you have to hurry.

          7. Rick Rogers says

            All your doing is repeating the Lies Fox news spread. I have yet to see anyone name a creditable source for this Fantasy of mystery voters. So I guess when Hillary kicks the GOP’s Ass its going to be all those evil Feminist that voted nine or ten times. IS that the excuse your going to use for why Americans Reject the GOP as a whole?

          8. sturgis says

            Ignorance is a bliss!

          9. Btty says

            Unless you have a crystal ball Rick how in the hell would you know if NavymanBill is even watching Fox news? This is the kind of chit that you liberal turds spew hoping someone will believe you. YOUR A LIAR! Why should we have to do the research for you? Get off your fat azz and research it yourself! The facts are there! Illegals, blacks that were voting 2 and 3 times, dead people voting. Boxes of votes had disappeared and then mysteriously found and all were Demwit votes! Come on, wake the hell up. By the way did you forget about all the military votes that didn’t get counted on time? Yeah, no voter fraud and pigs can fly!

          10. Michael Dennewitz says

            WOOHOO go Btty go!!

          11. Btty says

            Thank you Michael. My patience were thin with liberals. We should stop calling them liberals and call them what they really are progressive commies!

          12. Rick Rogers says

            Because BTTY he is quoting the Faux News line almost word for word. And your blaming screw ups at the Local Election boards on a national Party. How about we start holding YOUR National Party responsible for all the local Screw ups. Say like the Don Yelton, a GOP precinct chair.

          13. Btty says

            Another Commie Progressive I see. Well, you haven’t won any points commie. All you have to do is google any of these headlines to have your proof of voter fraud! So dickwad, so sorry that you were born without a brain! Waaaa, Waaaa!

            Evidence of massive Obama voter fraud in Colorado! Ten counties show 104% to 140% turnout! (CO)

            Fraud: Some told they already voted, others brag about voting multiple times

            Crooked Politics: Obama Lost in Every State With Photo ID Law

            Philly Polling Stations Where GOP Inspectors Were Kicked Out Had 90% Voter Turnout, 99% Voted For Obama… (PA)

            [Sounds like those Black Panthers who kicked out the GOP observers and stood guard at the polling stations were not just trying to intimidate voters! They were hiding something!]

            Voter Fraud Watch: Two Election Judges Replaced After Illegal Activity in Ohio (OH)

            Why the Polls are Wrong: Electorate is R+6

            Vote fraud alert: One out of five registered Ohio voters is bogus (OH)

            via @BeachCity55 on Twitter: Senior parents in Florida told not to put their ballots through their reader but in a box. Senior votes in FL not counted? (FL)

            Data Points To A Powerful Romney Campaign – And Yet…He Lost?

            “You have to vote for Dems” NYC poll worker tells GOP Senate candidate #Electioneering (NY)

            At least 70,000 report voting problems, mostly in swing states

            Obama’s pattern of disenfranchisement of the military vote

            Another Stolen Election? Election data HIGHLY suspicious AND the George Soros’ “Secretary of State Project” .
            To bad your not smart enough to look things up!

          14. Rick Rogers says

            Strange all these headlines I checked seemto have a FAUX News Headline in some of the first listings. Sorry but I don’t listen to a Network that when to court and fought for the Right to lie to the public.

          15. Btty says

            Your so full of chit! I gave you those headlines to research on your own idiot! I do realize that your incapable of research. To bad. It matters not one bit what anyone here says because you the kind of liberal progressive that will deny, deny, deny without any facts. So to sum it up Rick go to hell!

          16. Rick Rogers says

            You first Btty. .Now you know how it feels when I post Links and are dismissed by them.

          17. Btty says

            Everyone on this list knows you to be the liar you are and that’s why they don’t want to waste their valuable time researching your Links. I research everyone’s Links and I have yet to find any of yours to be honest. So keep living in your cocoon. I’m done trying to educate you.

          18. Rick Rogers says

            Like it really matters what you think to me. I am hear to give a voice to those that are sick of the twisted unchristian policies of the GOP. So you don’t want to read it fine I don’t recall holding a gun to your head

          19. Btty says

            Well, believe me when I say it doesn’t matter what you think of me either. You give a voice to no one. You do not speak for anyone else. You have a full time job convincing yourself of your propaganda. Nope no gun to my head just you. Over and over and over like that damn ever ready bunny! Lets call it quits because you don’t want to believe me and I don’t trust you.

          20. Rick Rogers says

            My facebook Group “Conservatives Conserve NOTHING (CCN) proves you wrong. But then you are proof of what Mark Twain said. And All I am trying to do is tell you you have been played for a fool

          21. Btty says

            I’am nobody’s fool! Having said that I’m not happy at all with the Republican party. They have caved in to Obozo on every important issue. They are doing us a huge disservice and I’m sick of them. However, given the choice between Republican party and the commie party I will choose the Republican party any day of the week. I will also work to remove those Republicans who have voted against the will of we the people. I’m sick of Boehner and many other Republicans who need to be removed. I’m hoping for term limits at some point. They are all a bunch of leeches who wouldn’t be able to work in the real world. They live off us! So don’t ever call me a fool. You might look in the mirror.

          22. stephanie wilson says

            of course he is. it is impossible to convince him of that.

          23. Rick Rogers says

            your headlines were from Conservative Mouthpieces and hold no Value

          24. Bud says

            And we with common sense don’t pay any attention to posts which contain nothing but lib big lie talking points.

          25. Rick Rogers says

            Only one Disenfranchising anyone were the Republican Governors that forced Fake Voter ID laws down peoples Throat. Its already been proved your “Black Panther” story was a Lie.. They were Observers just like the GOP had Observers.

            The Irony in your statement that he lost States where there were Voter Id laws is a Laugh.. Every state that had a Voter Id law had a republican Governor that Purged Voter rolls of real voters not pretend fake ones. And most of those states were control by GOP State Houses. So like in the case of Florida. If there were dead people still on the Voter rolls then why did not the GOP make sure they were dead before an election. No they just decided to purge Names of people they knew would not vote for them. There is no such thing as Voter Fraud. Its a myth.

          26. Btty says

            Bull F-ing Chit! Your a LIAR!! “The Black Panter story was not a lie. They were intimidating our citizens with their Billy Clubs and I might add that had they done that with me or my brothers they would have been eating those Batans! But our poor Seniors were scared.
            Ricky go screw yourself no one cares. Your an idiot and we all know it.

          27. Rick Rogers says

            I say this from the bottom of my heart your a moron so Frack off

          28. Btty says

            Get down and suck Ricky! No one cares!

          29. Bud says

            Anyone who uses the idiotic term “Faux News” automatically forfeits any claim they might have to any credibility.

          30. Rick Rogers says

            So tell me then what other “News” network. when to court for the Right to Lie to they american Public… What other News Group claims to be all American when their two principle owners are from Australia and Saudi Arabia. What other New group report that President Obama was Funding a Muslim Museum out of his own Pocket during the Day and then said they were sorry for reporting that AFTER MIDNIGHT when no one was watching? All things that are Fox News therefor since they are a fake News Network FAUX NEWS Fits. Thats just me being “Fair and Balanced.

          31. Bud says

            You are spot-on. The Fox News Channel has about 3 million or so viewers. Yet to read the liberals’ posts one could easily get the impression that the figure must be about 70 million.

          32. Btty says

            Your right Bud. Thank you for your post. 😉

          33. Nancy Goebel says

            you are ignorant. per the census bureau and court records that discover voter fraud by illegal Hispanics while they are checking for jury duty. shut the eff up dumbass. 30% of all illegals that register to vote when applying for the 500 billion + welfare each year and drivers licenses ARE VOTING AND THEY’VE ADMITTED IT ON UTUBE AND TV DOCS.

          34. Rick Rogers says

            Prove it .. Show it to me other ways they are lies straight from the pit of hell of Faux News Headquarters.

          35. Rick Rogers says

            Wow Utube?? I am pretty sure you meant YouTube. but I could undestand the mistaken. .Its one someone could make that has NEVER SEEN ANYTHING ON it would make.

          36. OSAMA OBAMA says

            (P)rick has a hard time with the keyboard.

          37. Rick Rogers says

            In fact I do have a problem with the Keyboard. I have one working hand to type with so most of the time its using one hand or Using Dragon Software to dictate my post. Oh and just so you know the reason I have one working hand is because my car was Broadsided by a Jerk that ran a red light driving a car with a Romney Sticker on it and my elbow and arm were basically crushed and had to be rebuilt. I don’t have the full use of it any longer. Its set my heart a flutter to have a lawyer go after him.

          38. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Your left hand is your typing hand! Figures. Truth is, the scum that hit you was in a Prius with a ” I VOTED FOR OUR FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT” sticker, right next to the “I WILL VOTE FOR OUR FIRST CANKLED WOMAN PRESIDENT. Was there a SAVE THE WHALES and CO-EXIST sticker too? Sorry about your accident though. Be glad it wasn’t an illegal alien and hit and run…. In Los Angeles, L.A. Weekly has learned, an incredible 48 percent of crashes were hit-and-runs in
            2009, the most recent year for which complete statistics are available. According to data collected by the state, some 4,000 hit-and-run crashes a year inside L.A. city limits, including cases handled by LAPD, California Highway Patrol and the L.A. County Sheriff, resulted in injury and/or death. Of those, according to a federal study, about 100 pedestrians died; the number of motorists and bicyclists who die would push that toll even higher.” The L.A.Weakly is a leftist rag and is too P.C. to print the truth that a large percentage of those were our precious illegal grifters..

          39. Rick Rogers says

            The scum that hit me was in a Cadillac Escalade. With Romney stickers on it. So this entitled SOB is going to pay. As for the keyboard the majority of words are typed using the left hand side of the keyboard.. So yes .. my left hand won’t respond the way it use to. so I have to hunt and peck with my right one since my hand won’t work to get hit any keys that are not on the home row. I don’t live in California so really don’t care what happens there.

          40. OSAMA OBAMA says

            You should move here and be at home with the rest of the vapid, Hollywood, tax and waste, puke leftists.

          41. Rick Rogers says

            No thanks I prefer staying here fighting the Fascist Republican party that is slithering its way into North Carolina.

          42. OSAMA OBAMA says

            You sissified twats can’t fight a frikken thing. You get offended and squeal “RACISM” You put up “GUN FREE ZONE” signs in case 911 doesn’t work. You tell others how to live, eat, think, because you know whats best. You vote for race or gender, not for the crap those twits will force on us. You censor and force businesses to bake cakes but leave the muSLIMEs to discriminate. You leftist turds are floating down the sewer of life.

          43. Rick Rogers says

            Not repeating myself since I have already list very clearly why I did not vote for the last republicans that ran.. screw it. as for businesses ..

          44. OSAMA OBAMA says

            They’d go to a bookstore that would sell them a Bible. They wouldn’t shrivel up, protest, whine, moan or burn the store down. Big difference between leftists and Americans.

          45. Rick Rogers says

            One other thing. In 2008 I voted against a Man that was of advance age and picked someone completely unqualified to be a heart beat from the Oval Office. In 2012 I voted against a Corporate Raider who had Bankrupt more companies and sent more jobs overseas than I can count and was so disliked by the people in his “home State” that he did not run for a 2nd Term as Governor. Someone who was only interested in people other then the “47 percent “. Someone that picked an Ayn Rand Junkie as a running mate who stood up on National TV and blamed a plant Closing on a President that was still in the Senate when the Plant Closed and then Lied about it. A running mate that used government Programs to pay for his education and then wants to cut those program so no one else can use them I did not gave a damn what color someones skin is or if they sit down or stand up to go to the Bathroom. What I care about is does this person see this country with something close to the same vision I do. If not they don’t get my vote. So far only one Republican in the last 15 years was worth my vote and he never decided to run. In the time I have voted in presidential elections only Two presidents have had the Deficit go down during their term. Surprise, surprise the two were not Republicans. How is that for some Fiscal responsibility.

          46. OSAMA OBAMA says

            $18 trillion debt, but I won’t be here to pay it off! Ha Ha Ha!! Dang (P)rick, you sure used a lot of band width to talk dog shit. Opinions are like sphincters, everybody has one.

          47. Rick Rogers says

            You know I just heard about this great new medical procedure that would be perfect for you. Here let me show you the Xrays

          48. jaybird says

            You must be deaf, dumb and blind to vote for Killery.

          49. Rick Rogers says

            You must be Brain Dead to vote for anyone that has the (R) after their Name.

          50. stephanie wilson says

            you are brain dead. i feel sorry for you fools

          51. Bud says

            You must be brain dead not to vote for the candidate who has the (R) after their name. At least the Republicans are not endorsed by our country’s enemies (the Communist and Nazi parties).

          52. Rick Rogers says

            Strange.. This picture was taken at the last Tea party rally on the Capital Steps.
            And they were chanting against President Obama

          53. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Were you there (P)rick? T-Party members would not allow Nazis or any other group to attend a rally. Keep trying to smear our great org. Compare your Occupy riots to a T-Party rally. LMAO!

          54. Rick Rogers says

            Try agains Assholea.. That was a Tea party rally and the Nazi party was there in support of the Republican party no on else.

          55. OSAMA OBAMA says

            No on else????

          56. Rick Rogers says

            lets up this in terms you can understand FUCK OFF

          57. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Po,Po (P)rick, drops the f bomb! Typical leftist!

          58. Rick Rogers says

            Not going to even Try and tell you how far of you are because if you realized it you would never use the word Communist and Nazi in the same Sentence. The two Groups abhor each other. Germany Hated the Communist.

          59. Rick Rogers says

            or to but a better way.

          60. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Hey (P)Rick! Tell us, are you really going to vote for that cankled, pantsuit wearing fraud? Then you can proudly spew to your comrades, “I voted for our first female president.” How many more will lose their lives because of a CLITon? Let’s start with Vince
            I know (p)rick, the Iraqi war, prattle, prattle.

          61. Rick Rogers says

            Yes Osama Asshole I am going to Vote for her because while she is not perfect she is a hell of alot better then the Clown BUS the GOP is driving.

          62. Syl says

            Those who benefit from voter fraud will say it does not exist. Why do you fear putting up safeguards to prevent fraud in the first place so it can’t happen. Then we will ALL be confident in the outcome–not just the cheats.

          63. Rick Rogers says

            Actually Syl those who Claim there is Voter Fraud and have to make up fake law to “stamp it out” are the ones that Benefit. So Lets let These GOP what some of these GOP members have have admitted in their own words.

            When Don Yelton, a now-former North Carolina Republican official, spoke to The Daily Show’s Aasif Mandvi.

            Yelton admitted that North Carolina’s new voting law, which includes a flurry of new provisions including voter ID, is “going to kick Democrats in the butt.” In one interview, he stumbled through every dumb cliché of the modern racist, including referencing his one black friend and showing disdain for “lazy blacks” who want the government to give them everything.

            Pennsylvania’s House Republican Leader Mike Turzai said in June of 2012, as he listed the Republican state legislature’s accomplishments: “Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”

            “I think we had a better election,” Pennsylvania’s GOP chairman Rob Gleason said in July. “Think about this: We cut Obama by 5 percent…I think Voter ID helped a bit in that.”

            Texas’ Republican attorney general and candidate for governorGreg Abbott doesn’t believe Texas’ redistricting discriminates against minorities.

            It just discriminates against Democrats — who happen to be largely minorities, he admitted in a letter to the Department of Justice defending the state’s voting maps: he said in a Letter:

            DOJ’s accusations of racial discrimination are baseless. In 2011, both houses of the Texas Legislature were controlled by large Republican majorities, and their redistricting decisions were designed to increase the Republican Party’s electoral prospects at the expense of the Democrats. It is perfectly constitutional for a Republican-controlled legislature to make partisan districting decisions, even if there are incidental effects on minority voters who support Democratic candidates.
            South Carolina’s voter ID law was another voting restriction blocked before the 2012 election thanks to the now-gutted Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act. Though the state’s Republicans denied the racial motivations of the law, it was sold as a way to fight President Obama.

            “Stop Obama’s nutty agenda and support voter ID,” read a card attached to a pack of peanuts passed out by the state’s GOP, state Rep. Alan Clemmons (R-Myrtle Beach) admitted, then later refused to admit in court.

            Clemmons, a force behind the bill, also admitted answering “amen” to a fellow Republican’s email that said offering a reward to African-Americans “would be like a swarm of bees going after a watermelon.”

            Conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly has been a Republican hero since back in the 1970s, when she led the battle in California to prevent gays and lesbians from being able to work as schoolteachers, a cause too far to the right for even Ronald Reagan. This year she was blunt in her argument for why Republicans should do everything they can to roll back any measure that makes it easier to vote:

            “The reduction in the number of days allowed for early voting is particularly important because early voting plays a major role in Obama’s ground game. The Democrats carried most states that allow many days of early voting, and Obama’s national field director admitted, shortly before last year’s election, that ‘early voting is giving us a solid lead in the battleground states that will decide this election.’

            “The Obama technocrats have developed an efficient system of identifying prospective Obama voters and then nagging them (some might say harassing them) until they actually vote. It may take several days to accomplish this, so early voting is an essential component of the Democrats’ get-out-the-vote campaign.”

            She went on to say that early voting results in “illegal votes” that “cancel out the votes of honest Americans.” In her mind, “Democratic” automatically equals “illegal.”

            No Republican has ever been elected president without winning Ohio.

            In the run-up to the 2012 election, Republican secretary of state Jon A. Husted seemed to be angling for a repeat of the 2004 election, when secretary of state and an honorary “co-chair” of the Bush/Cheney campaign Ken Blackwell presided over an election marred by irregularities and unforgivably long lines that resulted in thousands of voters never casting a vote.

            One of Husted’s tactics was to cut back early voting in Democratic communities while expanding it in Republican communities.

            In case the transparent nature of such a move wasn’t obvious enough, one state Republican was particularly blunt when explaining the party’s motivation for limiting early voting. Ari Berman explains:

            Why do Ohio Republicans suddenly feel so strongly about limiting early voting hours in Democratic counties? Franklin County (Columbus) GOP Chair Doug Preisse gave a surprisingly blunt answer to the Columbus Dispatch on Sunday: “I guess I really actually feel we shouldn’t contort the voting process to accommodate the urban—read African-American—voter-turnout machine.” Preisse is not some rogue operative but the chairman of the Republican Party in Ohio’s second-largest county and a close adviser to Ohio Governor John Kasich.

            The most important admission that the motivation behind this new wave of voting restrictions is voter suppression comes from the conservative jurist who helped make photo ID laws possible.

            Richard Posner — the Reagan-appointed federal judge who wrote the influential decision that ruled Indiana’s voter ID law constitutional in 2007 — now believes that he “absolutely” he got that case wrong.

            Posner told Huffington Post Live that “the problem is that there hadn’t been that much activity with voter identification. Maybe we should have been more imaginative…”he said, echoing comments on the case he made in his new book. “We weren’t really given strong indications that requiring additional voter identification would actually disfranchise people entitled to vote.”

            It would have taken some imagination to envision the rampant voting restrictions Republicans have pursued since President Obama was elected, less than a year after a Republican Congress passed and a Republican president signed a renewal of the Voting Rights Act. Now, thanks to common sense substantiated by a few honest Republicans, it’s hard to imagine them as anything other than a blatant attempt to disenfranchise anyone who would dare to not vote Republican.

          64. Syl says

            Republicans only benefit from voter ID because Democrats have been cheating for years and the ID would stop that. It doesn’t stop any legal citizen from voting. Politicians say nonsense so set that aside and focus on resolving the real issue. Confidence in the process where all parties will benefit equally. Oh, and I have never liked the jerimandering districts but both parties do it legally. Stop that.

          65. Rick Rogers says

            Syl.. It would stop my uncle who does not have a drivers Licence. He turned it in when he started to lose his sight. he has never had a Passport because the only time he left this country was when he was overseas for the Military. The only Type of ID he can get is a Identification card from the DMV that Cost 25 dollars. That cost right there makes NC Voter ID law unconstitutional. While 25 dollars might not be alot to you and me there are people that live paycheck to paycheck and that 25 dollars becomes a POLL tax. Now if you want to give ID cards away to everyone for free.. Go for it. I will remove my objections. But until then Voter ID laws are Voter Supression of those that can least Afford it. You know those that WOULD NEVER vote for a Republican.

          66. Syl says

            I don’t drive so I had to get an ID card from DMV for something–I forget what. It’s not a poll tax. You are really stretching. Is paying for gas to get to the polls a poll tax? Is buying a coat to go out in the cold to the poll a poll tax? All of these including the ID can be used for other events as well. Go buy your uncle an ID. If he really cares about voting, he will find a way. If he just doesn’t care that much, neither do I. I guarantee the liberals will pay for his ID if he votes their way. (The ID could be a new form of voter registration.)

          67. Rick Rogers says

            So does the government require you to pay for gas or that cost to be able to vote. No. But in the states that require voter id they do require you to buy that documention and that requirement to be able to vote makes it just like the requirements to vote when the Scotus wiped out poll taxes

          68. Syl says

            You must be a citizen to vote. Ergo you must prove you are a citizen. If it is really important to a poor person to vote,they can purpose to put aside 96 cents a MONTH to vote in the next mid term and 43 cents a MONTH for the next 4 year presidential election. And once they get their $25 ID they don’t have to pay again for another ID for many years. So it is not a tax. If a person can’t return enough soda cans to allow him to vote in 2-4 years, he does not care enough to vote anyway.

          69. Rick Rogers says

            A fee Charged by State or Federal Government is a Tax. That is plain and Simple and it has Supreme Court Precedence behind it. Therefore unless those Voter ID are free of Charge then it is a Tax and is banned by the 24th Amendment. And that is going to be the argument that Strikes down VOTER ID laws as they stand today.

            I thought you people were suppose to be Supporters of the Constitution at least that’s what you are always Claiming. Or are you like the Fair weather Christians that only support and Cherry pick the portions you think agree with you.?

          70. ginny says

            Lies? What lies? Name one lie please. There is no legal person in This country who does not have identification. Those who are fighting not to show ID’s are corrupt and condone corrupt behavior and do not belong in this country. ID’s are necessary because dem libs are corrupt liars, not Fox News.

          71. Rick Rogers says

            Actually Ginny there are plenty that were born here that don’t have “approved” ID’s… Not everyone drives. Not everyone has a passport, Not everyone has served in the Military. You want to have Voter ID.. Great I agree with one situation. Congress creates a Federal Voter ID card and one is given to anyone that has voted in any of the last four elections and one is issued to every Kid once they turn 18. Oh and the are also automatically register to Vote with that card.

          72. NavymanBill says

            You never responded to my posting about working with the NYS Comptroller and being of service and doing the right thing because IT IS THE RIGHT THING.Just a brainwashed flack.These good people who disagree with you because they didn’t go to the Barack Obama School in Disinformation are wasting their time.You and Marie Harf must have been classmates. It would be comical if it weren’t so pathetic. Stop getting your info from MSNBC and Obama ‘s press releases.If you mixed your sources, you might learn something

          73. Rick Rogers says

            Never saw your posting and to be honest don’ t have alot of time for People that vote against their own Self interest.

          74. NavymanBill says

            When your testicles descend, give me a call. I am happy to discuss anything like this face to face, man to man. not with some little creep hiding behind a computer screen.(Try not to wet your pants.) Just for the record, s@@@bird, the worst treatment anyone ever got at the VA was during and right after the Carter Administration in `1981(you weren’t born then) and during the Clinton Administration, as BOTH were using the VA for a cash cow! (Both DEMOCRATS,-and oh, yeah, the Vietnam was was started by JFK, and LBJ accelerated it-hmm-weren’t they both DEMOCRATS? (Your parents probably weren’t born then.) But what would YOU know about it? You don’t have the cojones to walk into a recruiting office, much less join.. I have served this country for over 40 years, unfortunately, it included protecting a turd like you. So, one last time, GET LOST a@@hole

          75. Rick Rogers says

            One of the reasons I have my name and picture on this is so anyone that wants to look me up on facebook can find me. I am not hiding anywhere. And if you had bother to check you would see that I served 8 years in the Air Force with 2 of them in a foreign country that was in the middle of a Military Coup to try and overcome an out break of Communist Terrorist. and use did serve under Fire. But since you did not bother to look you don’t understand That there is a chance your only a couple of years older then me. My father who Served in Korea and Vietnam set the example for me in how to Treat other people.

          76. NavymanBill says

            First of all, If you had learned anything in the Air Force, it would have been how to talk to people with a bit more respect. I’m not that interested in you, and your personal life-why would I go to see you on Facebook?. You’re just a troll to me. As for your copious military experience-I did 10 years in USAF before I decided to be in the military and went in USN-that was 33 years ago. It sounds like you’re probably talking about the PI. Big deal. Everyone went thru there. I understand plenty. One more time, loser, I vote the MAN(person). I’m not a party stooge like you. I am currently getting ready to go to work with the Comptroller of the State of New York (A Democrat) to assist him in military and veterans affairs. He is a man who is interested in doing the RIGHT thing-not just the Democrat thing, as I feel similarly, and we’ve known each other since grade school. I have his trust, and he has mine. It’s a lot more than “party loyalty.” (You’ve already told me how you vote. The guy could be an axe-murderer or a child molester, but by golly, You’d vote for that before anyone with an “R” after their name. Your words, Ricky boy. )As for me and you, there is NOTHING similar about me and you! That is the one thing you have right. Now get lost!

          77. Rick Rogers says

            Nope not the PI. I was in Turkey during the Time the Red Brigade was Recruiting. For almost a year we were not allowed off base in Uniform and even when we when off base we were still targeted. As for how I would vote. not that it any of your business but I have voted cross party plenty of times just never for President because to be honest I can’t stomach the falsehoods most GOP Presidential Candidates like to spout off. The GOP Method is to try and make you afraid of something and then tell you who to blame for it. Only Republican president in my left time that was worth a damn was Eisenhower and only reason i know what he said was because i when back and researched it. But here is the funny thing. If Eisenhower came back today he would not even win one GOP Primary… He would be Considered a RINO by most of the TEA PARTY and their Lackies

          78. OSAMA OBAMA says

            WOW! (P)rick, how do they cash checks, use their EBT cards, apply for welfare, section 8 housing, get all of that free medical care or educations without proper I.D.?

          79. Rick Rogers says

            Its called Direct Deposit, but they must not have that up there in the hills in West Virginia.. And go back and look. Most of the Requirement for ID on the Voter ID laws will disregard the types of Id alot of people have. Voter ID laws are nothing but Voter Suppression because the Republicans no if they don’t stop minorities from Voting they will never win another election. Texas and North Carolina won’t accept Student Id’s which have their picture on them but they well accept Gun registration forms.

          80. NavymanBill says

            And have YOU voted in the last four presidential elections? (I’ve voted in the last ten) So you put yourself out of eligibility, too. Fine.

          81. Rick Rogers says

            Yes Bill i have voted in the Last 10 and every Mid Term Election every Congressional Special Election and Every State and Local Election Along with every Primary except for one when I was overseas and my absentee Ballot did not get to me in time. To me that is the Duty of a Citizen to cast a vote.. If you don’t vote you really don’t have alot of room to complain about the outcome.

          82. NavymanBill says

            And I have done same. And in 1972, and again in 2012, my absentee vote wasn’t COUNTED!! (There we are with voter fraud again! ) But YOU said there wasn’t any??!!. This conversation is over

          83. Rick Rogers says

            So because of mistakes with Absentee ballots your willing to make it hard for people that have the right to vote in person. .Sorry that just does not make sense to me. The only reason not to want EVERYONE to vote is because you know you won’t be able to get people to buy what your selling and that is the wall the GOP is starting to run into.

          84. NavymanBill says

            Man, what school in NC did you go to? I went to UNC-Chapel Hill. I don’t remember anyone with such faulty reasoning. NOW GET THIS STRAIGHT TROLL: I want everyone to vote-ONCE per election!!. Not 6 or 7 times, or even twice. Sorry, but I don’t want DEAD people voting 2-3 times , either!! (BTW Ricky Boy, do you know who’s playbook THAT Came from? Old Man Joe Kennedy-a DEMOCRAT!! It’s how JFK WON!! But you weren’t around then, and you didn’t read about it or learn it from Chris Matthews or Madcow or BHO, so it COULDN’T BE TRUE, Could it? (Pathetic what you don’t know.) And I don’t want ACORN thugs threatening people near polling places (AND BHO goes back with THEM to his community organizer days! FACT!) If one of them pulled that crap on me, I’d have run them over after I got done. I read your excuses for not having an ID-haven’t read such bulls##t in a long time. Everyone can come up with an ID if they need to-even if it’s copies of their water /phone bills!! Your last statement cracks me up-makes me realize that YOU’RE WHISTLING past the graveyard!! If the Republicans run the right people and don’t play too far to the right, they’ll beat Hillary, who is having Sanders do the same thing to her as Perot did to Bush 1. And that obviously has your knickers in a twist. “Sorry about that!” (Go ask your “Nam vet father for a translation!) We’re done here. Rick.

          85. Rick Rogers says

            Ok first off water and phone bills are not considered valid Id in any of the states that have passed voter id laws. Two. Your fooling your self if you think Sanders will pull a Perot because he has already stated he will only run in the general if he wins the nomination. I have already said I gave no problem with voter id as long as they are proved by each state free of charge to anyone in the voter rolls or any 18 year old that is automatically registered to vote when he turns 18. But you no why that won’t happen. Because it defeats the GOP goal of suppressing the vote

          86. NavymanBill says

            That is another load of corn-pone North Carolina bulls##t. I live in NY and I have seen people ASK for water bills/phone bills here as proof of residence! Even at the DMV!! Maybe not in Spivey’s Corner or whatever Podunk town you live in. So fine, issue them a free ID, that will still eliminate about 2/3 of the multi-voters from last time!! (No Face to Face voter fraud,-man, pretty good dope you’re smoking there, pal.) Automatic registration? Okay, and we can register them for the draft at the same time. Great idea. Except that won’t happen. A VIOLATION of their rights! And just because someone snuck in here across the border and turns 18, THAT doesn’t give him/her the right to vote. It doesn’t make them AMERICANS. They are STILL ILLEGAL aliens! The Dems GREAT BROWN HOPE!! I don’t want to suppress anyone-I just don’t want the dead voting two or three times, nor 110 percent of Chicago or Detroit or anywhere else, nor people who aren’t smart enough to read the ballot, but are told by ACORN organizers where to make THEIR MARK! Nor a bunch of illegal aliens led by a flack/flacks like you! I don’t care to continue this conversation, Rick. You have done NOTHING to change my mind. I’m sure you’re for gay marriage and all the other Obama crap, but I’m not for that either. I’m not buying. And as the darling of the left in the 60s, Albert Camus once wrote, “You haven’t changed a man’s mind because you have silenced him.”. That cuts both ways! And all the lefties of this era, curtailing Free Speech by calling anything that offends THEM “hate speech” are just fascists and Nazis of another stripe. We’re done here. Good day.

          87. Rick Rogers says

            Try Reading the actual law. It list Drivers Licence, Passports, Military ID’s and State Government issued Photo Ids (which they Charge for) as the only forms of iD. This law will not take effect till 2016 elections so what you may or maynot have seen in the past does not Count. I am not talking about past elections but the Future ones.

          88. NavymanBill says

            All of which I agree with. A government issued photo ID that “they charge for”-we aren’t talking about a million dollars here, Ricky boy. Do you have a passport? There was a fee-and you need to provide a birth certificate/proof of baptism. Do you have a driver’s license? There is a processing fee for that too. And YOU want State Government issued Photo IDs issued FOR FREE-and I’m sure without any other proof of ID. Time to put down the bong, and stop bothering me. See Ya!

          89. Rick Rogers says

            Lets try this again since you claim to support and Defend the Constitution.
            Twenty-fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution

            Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
            Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1]
            Any Fee charged by the government is a Tax for Service. “shall not be Denied or Abridged by the United States or Any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or OTHER TAX.. So if they don’t pay for the “voter ID” then they can’t vote.. Don’t know how much simpler that could be. So tell me if your so concerned about Voter Fraud why would not want anyone to have that ID.. The reason REPUBLICANSs don’t want it is that it would give the ID’s to the people that they know would NEVER vote for them.

          90. NavymanBill says

            Okay. Fine. Make it free. But make sure that it is issued ONCE and can’t be altered! And make sure that it is CHECKED. I’m not afraid of free elections-especially this next one. There are an awful lot of people out there who aren’t buying Hillary. And you are so certain that Bernie Sanders will back off? That’s what everyone thought about Eugene McCarthy(-were you born then?), and John Anderson, and Ross Perot. Care to make a wager on that? One last thing pal, I forgot more about being a military man than you will ever know. And THAT’S A FACT.

          91. Rick Rogers says

            And Bill I thanked you for your service Just as I thanked my father and my son thanked me. And Yes Bernie Sanders has stated Publicly many times he is only going to Run as the Democratic Nominee.. He is will not run Third party. I respect Bernie as a man of his word and believe him.

          92. NavymanBill says

            You don’t know that much about politics and the human condition. Again, I’ll make book that Bernie decides to run. They tried to talk McCarthy out of it, and John Anderson, and even Perot, but those are large egos. Once they get started, it’s hard to stop them.

          93. Rick Rogers says

            Bill this is why he won’t run Third party. He has more of a chance getting the things he wants if Hillary in the White House then he does with one of these “people”. That’s why he will not run third party because he does not want one of these People winning the election.

          94. NavymanBill says

            We’ll see.

          95. Rick Rogers says

            But what ever else happens I mean it when I say think you for your service.

          96. Bud says

            You’re an idiot. There is no “GOP goal of suppressing the vote.” Well, OK, yes, the votes of non-citizens, as well as multiple votes, and cemetery votes.

            People must have IDs for other functions and activities in life. There is no need to provide free IDs to anyone. I’ve been voting for decades, and I’ve never known any adults at all in this country who did not have an ID.

          97. Rick Rogers says

            Its sad that the statements have been out there by GOP Party members so many times and yet your not hearing what they are saying… So here you go.


            Don Yelton.. “If it makes it hard for some Lazy blacks to vote so be it.



            Georgia, state Sen. Fran Millar (R) caused a considerable stir complaining about early voting in the upcoming elections. As the Republican state lawmaker explained, he has concerns about Sunday voting in an Atlanta shopping mall “dominated by African American shoppers” and near “several large African American mega churches.”


          98. Bud says

            I do not want uninformed people voting. There are a number of TV/radio programs who send staffers/reports with microphones/cameras to the streets to interview people, and the level of ignorance is appalling.

            Furthermore, people should not be permitted to vote for a living. That seems to be a Democrat pastime these days.

          99. Rick Rogers says

            Bud here is the thing. Its not your or anyone else choice to decide who is or Isn’t uninformed. Who is going to set the standard for what is uniformed. You? A political Committee? And who is to say they won’t raise that “standard” overtime so we go form anyone that can read the Ballot to anyone that Has a high school Diploma.. To a College Degree? Sorry But as much as you may not like it it is their Right as American’s to cast a Ballot.

          100. Bud says

            Any person who was born here and does not have ID, it is by their choice. One does not have to drive, have a passport, or have served in the military. I did not drive when I became old enough to vote, but I had a state ID card. Voting regulations are a state matter, not federal.

          101. Rick Rogers says

            Bud your aware that some people have to live on budgets to tight that 25 dollars means the difference from gas to get to work and having to stay Home. Or Food for a Meal. No state issues ID cards for free and until they do they are not allowed by law to require people to have one to vote. The Twenty-fourth Amendment (Amendment XXIV) of the United States Constitution prohibits both Congress and the states from conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a poll tax or other types of tax. The amendment was proposed by Congress to the states on August 27, 1962, and was ratified by the states on January 23, 1964. Please NOTE THE WORD PAYMENT.. and OTHER TYPES OF TAX.. You charge for an id your leveling a poll tax.

          102. NavymanBill says

            Don’t waste your time on this little creep, Ginny. When you pin him down, he lies and makes like he never heard you.

          103. ginny says

            Even one instance of voter fraud is too much. You libs are like roaches, if you see one committing fraud there are thousands more.

          104. Rick Rogers says

            Thats strange because the two most publicized cases of voter Fraud the last few years were committed by republicans. One a Republican election volunteer was caught filling in the ballots for republicans on races where the voter did not cast a ballot.. That was in Seattle. Two.. A Republican Support was convicted in Boston of Sending out Mailers that had Deliberately false information about Polling time, Locations to vote along with the “extended voting hours” After for the Day AFTER the election. and if you want a Third one no problem it happened right in in my home state. Thom Tills Campaign sent out the same type of mailer with false information about where people should go to vote. So after standing in line for hours (yes we had a good turn out in Charlotte) they were told they had to go somewhere else and stand in another line to vote. Major plans are underway in NC to make sure that Tills is a one term Senator as we speak.

          105. stephanie wilson says

            evidence please

          106. stephanie wilson says

            left wing propaganda. you need better than that.

          107. Rick Rogers says

            Actually I don’t.. I don’t give a Tinkers damn what you believe because you have already proven with your other comments what a Truly Small minded person you are. So save yourself the effort of hunting and Pecking on the keyboard. You are not worth even 1/16th of my time

          108. NavymanBill says

            More lies. that’s how we got here, Ricky boy. Remember your “No IN Person Voter Fraud” Comment? That’s the biggest lie in this blog!! You keep harping on Podunk, north Carolina. How about all the ACORN types in Philly, and the multiple voters in Chicago and Detroit. THEY ARE ON FILM! Why don’t you go take your troll act elsewhere? No one here is buying.

          109. Rick Rogers says

            Let me explain what is going to happen.. For the Short term you might get voter Id’s but since its a proven fact that Republicans DON”T know how to govern and the Tea Party doesn’t Want to govern the Average American is only going to tolerate them for so long. You can see it in Congresses approval Ratings. One day someone is going to stand on a stage and Ask. “If you don’t approval of Congress then why do you keep sending the same people back”. Democrats are Registering young people at a rate of 3 to 1 over Republicans. Minorities are going to become the Majority and they don’t vote Republican. so what you have is a Group of people that are going to DIE off. You might win the battle but we will win the war.

          110. NavymanBill says

            I suppose you can keep hoping for that. There are a lot of people here in America who have had enough of BHO, and aren’t stupid enough to vote for Hillary just because of her plumbing. BHO is way too far to the left, and there will be a swing back. Always is. And all the young people who voted for BHO in 2008, and then in 2012 before they got out of college- I know several-are now living in the parents basement, and working at Starbucks. (And none of them are minorities! It will be interesting to see who THEY vote far. We shall see.

          111. Rick Rogers says

            Its more then a hope. All the signs point that it is Happening now. The Young Americans we are talking about don’t look at Who someone might want to marry and judge them for it. They don’t care where someone goes to church as long as no one is trying to cram their Religions beliefs down their throat. Don’t believe me. Look in just the last 8 years and the changes that have taken place. And then look at what changes were blocked by republicans and keep in mind that there are about 26 million more Registered Democrats then their are Republicans Those are facts not fantasy and it only takes ONE election to make the GOP insufficient. It must Fright most of you know you have fought against something that is going to happen and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

          112. Rick Rogers says

            Because it is a lie. And As for my “Act” its my right of Free Speech that I am exercising. Something I would think that someone that served this country would understand since they are required to swore an Oath To protect and Defend The Constitution. America isn’t easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, because it’s gonna put up a fight. It’s gonna say “You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can’t just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the “land of the free”.

          113. ginny says

            How uneducated is reaching the age of 18 and not knowing where you go to vote. Pathetic!!! Guess he was playing the liberal game by playing to the stupidity of the American public (Jonathan Gruber the architect of obama don’t care) Having the black Panthers standing outside the polls is not intimidating? Acorn!!!??? Every Acorn worker should be in jail for voter fraud. Not one honest one among them. Your examples pale in comparison to what was going on in the black precincts.

          114. Rick Rogers says

            So Exactly how many “Black Precincts” have you actually been in on election Day? Just Curious

          115. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Voter registration drives conducted by ACORN and affiliated entities have led to controversy and allegations of vote fraud.

            The organization has been accused of different types of misbehavior with regard to voter registration drives:

            Failing to adequately monitor and supervise its employees to
            the point where the organization should be held responsible for what the
            employees did.
            Turning in “massive numbers” of duplicate registration cards.
            Turning in registration cards for fictional characters.
            Turning in registration cards filled out by children.
            Turning in registration cards where the signatures had been forged.

          116. mac12sam12 says

            Hillary’s afraid to face the press for the tough questions, all she has is the class warfare card and the race card. Bill Clinton is friends with Jeff Epstein, a convicted pedophile who’s currently under investigation along with Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz and the old horn dog himself, Bubba. “I did not have sexual relations with that underage prostitute!” I think Hillary will retire to the bingo halls. Many of the republicans running are young enough to be her son, LOL!

          117. Rick Rogers says

            What you see below is a picture of of Josh Duggar with just about every Major GOP important Political Figure (that just sounds wrong calling a GOP member important). But you know what the funny is going to be is seeing all these people stand up for old Duggar and now we hear one of his Victims is going to file suit against him and both him and his Parents and the State Trooper that helped cover it up (who by the way is a convicted Child porn collector) are going to have the go in to court and tell the truth under threat of Perjury. The Beauty of it is because it is a Civil suit and the statute of limitations has run out they can’t Plead the Fifth because they are no criminal charges that can be brought so they answer the questions or are held in contempt. As for Hillary not answering the Tough questions it pretty clear you have not followed her career.

          118. mac12sam12 says

            I’m pretty sure that those politicians didn’t know what Duggar was doing. He was a minor, what’s Bubba’s excuse? Clinton has accusations of raping women multiple times, exposing himself to Paula Jones and now underage prostitution? I didn’t even know who Duggar was when the story broke, what’s your favorite reality show. The Kardashians?

          119. Rick Rogers says

            Hell No.. and just os you know just about everyone in that picture came out in Support of old Josh boy after it was reported. But I know what pisses you off so much that fact that if Clinton could run for a third Term he would have smoked Bush in the election and would smoke anyone the GOP would put up against him this time. Must be terrible you have not had anyone like that since that Senile Ronny Raygun.

          120. mac12sam12 says

            He was 14, you didn’t answer my question, what’s Clinton’s excuse? Bush Sr. would have beat Clinton if Ross Perot hadn’t jumped into the race. Clinton was also known as Newt’s rubber stamp, Clinton also had the dot com buble, he had nothing to do with that.

            I remember Reagan, that’s when we had a real president. Then Pervert Clinton came along, and currently a bath house queen resides in the Whitehouse.

          121. Rick Rogers says

            Reagan a real President.. You realize his son has said on National TV he had advance Alzheimer’s while he was in office and Could not remember what he had for breakfast let alone the details of an important issue. I hate Reagan with every breath in my body because it was him that came up with this fantasy called Trickle Down that started the income equity. It was him that created first of the Huge Deficits and it was Reagan. that Stole from Social Security so he could pay his buddies to build planes and Tanks and Aircraft Carriers with out every paying the Social Security Trust fund back. In 100 years its going to be common knowledge what a complete Fool and incompetent Reagan was. I have heard people say the biggest mistake of the 1980’s was that Hinkley Missed.

          122. mac12sam12 says

            Trickle down, another loser at Capitalism pops his head up! Ever work for a poor guy? Me Nether, just billionaires. Reagan brought back an economy that had been destroyed by Carter. And to balance the budget, Clinton stole from SS and the military budget which was never paid back, they all do that.

            Reagan, the greatest president in U.S. history! Thanks for the memory!

          123. Rick Rogers says

            Wow.. Tell you what why don’t you prove that lie and tell me the year that Reagan “balanced the Budget” I can save you sometime because the Answer is NEVER. And IT was Reagan that pulled the money from Social Security that is well documented so .. Sorry but your FAUX News Version of US History does not have a passing Grade.

          124. mac12sam12 says

            I didn’t say that Reagan balanced the budget, a couple of billion in the hole as compared to over 18 trillion today, chump change. Reagan brought back the economy that was worse than the one pickle puffer barry inherited. Yep, #1! Your dig at Fox points to your lockstep low information status. You didn’t answer my question, what’s Clinton’s excuse for his bad sexual behavior? The left just embraces sexual deviants.

          125. Rick Rogers says

            And I will not answer it that because someone Sexual Behavior is none of anyone business. How many Millions of dollars did the Republican congress waste because some Gold Digging 20 year old gave someone a blow job.

          126. mac12sam12 says

            Rape, exposing yourself and underage prostitution is no one’s business? Sort of sounds criminal, no?

          127. Rick Rogers says

            Would be criminal if it happen but it did not so not going to address it.

          128. mac12sam12 says

            I heard an interview from the two women who accused him, very credible and they had nothing to gain. The UK Daily Mail is covering Jeff Epstein because Prince Andrew is involved. So is Bubba and Alan Dershowitz. Bill’s been on Epstein’s plane and at Epstein’s Orgy Island. Epstein has also donated to the Clinton foundation. Bill and Hill. Pro-women’s rights!!

          129. Rick Rogers says

            Wow really.. I heard an interview that said Bush kept the Planes Ground after 9/11 because he wanted to get the members of the Saudi Royal family and Bin Laden’s relatives who were in the states plenty of time to get out of country. That was because he had to make sure no one could connect that the 9/11 attack was done on order of the Saudi Royal family. Also that it was a missile that hit the Pentagon not an airplane. But you know what.. I was to smart to believe either of them and you should be smart enough not believe what you hear of FAUX NEWS.

          130. mac12sam12 says

            The Saudi royal family? The family that funded a C student to get him into Harvard? All planes were grounded for obvious reasons. I watch Fox and get two viewpoints, as opposed to your lockstep Gruberazation.

            A missile hit the Pentagon? What conspiracy site do you frequent? LOL!

          131. Rick Rogers says

            So Mac12sam12 you must be a short fella because the mocking sarcasm of your “I heard an interview” when right over your head

          132. OSAMA OBAMA says

            The D.N.C. Factivist web site of course.

          133. Bud says

            Anyone who uses the silly phrase “Faux News” is clearly someone who wallows in the deceit and deception spewed by the nation’s liberal media. You sound just like an echo of Rachel, Ed, and Chrissie.

            P.S. That “interview” you heard sounds just like standard fare on the alphabet soup network “news” programs as well as CNN and MSNBC.

          134. Rick Rogers says

            And anyone that comes to the defense of a company that went to court for the right to lie during broadcasts needs to look at some of my beach front property 700 feet off shore.

          135. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Just recently, two more Barack Obama activists were awarded with high-profile jobs in the media.

            Ronan Farrow, a former “special adviser” to Secretary of State
            Hillary Clinton, and Joy-Ann Reid, a former press aide for Obama’s
            presidential campaign, have both earned themselves jobs on MSNBC, where
            they can parrot White House talking points directly to the American

            First it was NBC News anchor Brian Williams who
            came forward and admitted he had embellished his story of having been
            in a Chinook helicopter over Iraq that took enemy fire in 2003.
            Claiming, incredibly, that it was a mere lapse of memory, Williams
            acknowledged in February that it was not the helicopter he was riding in
            that was shot at but an aircraft in front of him.

            Now it’s chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel’s turn. Engel’s account that he and members of his crew were captured
            by forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad (in fact it was
            a Sunni militant group) and that, as they were being rescued, he
            saw “one of his captors lying dead.”

            On Wednesday, Engel and NBC published a “correction” of sorts. It is no longer Engel who saw
            the corpse of a captor but “one of our producers [who] says he saw and
            stepped over a body that was lying next to the front wheel.” Engel, as a
            member of the media, violated his sacred trust with his audience, for
            whatever reason. Williams’s punishment was a 6-month-suspension without pay.
            In deciding Engel’s punishment, NBC should take into account
            that Williams at least overtly admitted to having lied. Engel has not.
            An email distributed by Ben Rhodes, senior policy makers, among them
            Susan Rice, are told to 1) blame the internet video for the violence, 2)
            deflect attention from greater policy failures (one presumes he’s
            talking about everything the Obama regime had touched), and 3) emphasize
            Obama’s cool and collected leadership.

            “This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our
            country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took
            the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at
            American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to
            do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that
            because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.” Hillary Clinton

            had said during a March 2008 speech that while visiting Bosnia in 1996
            as first lady, she remembered “landing under sniper fire.” A greeting
            ceremony had to be canceled, she said, as her party “ran with our heads
            down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

            Videotape showed Clinton and her daughter Chelsea and their entourage
            instead striding across a tarmac with smiles and greeting a retinue of

            NBC News
            investigative reporter Jeff Rossen was in “intense agony” and had “meds
            lined up” as he filed an apparently slanderous and libelous combination
            of print and video stories

            Rolling Stone magazine retracted its article about a brutal gang rape at a University of Virginia
            fraternity after the release of a report on Sunday that concluded the
            widely discredited piece was the result of failures at every stage of
            the process.
            report, published by the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism , said the magazine failed to engage in
            “basic, even routine journalistic practice” to verify details of the
            ordeal that the magazine’s source, identified only as Jackie, described
            to the article’s author, Sabrina Rubin Erdely.

          136. Rick Rogers says

            Anyone that Defends a Group that when to court to win the Right to Lie to the Public does not deserve a response. Oh and by the way I know it has gone over your head but that “interview” was just an example of how Stupid the statement “I heard an interview once” really was.. But then I forgot that sarcasm only works with people that can reason.

          137. OSAMA OBAMA says

            God gave us commas so incoherent ramblings could be understood.

          138. Rick Rogers says

            He also gave us Condoms, but it pretty clear your father did not have the Good sense to use one.

          139. OSAMA OBAMA says

            More English fail. It’s funny (P)rick, when you aren’t cutting and pasting, you show your vapidness and utter ignorance.

          140. Rick Rogers says

            Total fail on your part there was nothing wrong with that Punch Line. Except for the fact that your always the punch line.

          141. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Dah Huck!!

          142. Rick Rogers says

            1st Show me someone that was convicted. List the court Ruling.. PROVE IT.. until then its only Character assassination. Here is the Difference… DUGGAR admitted to Sex crimes that were covered up and this Civil Law suit is going to shed some interesting Light on it. I had to sit down and explain to my 12 year old Daughter that she could no longer watch that show because they were hypocrites and Deviants.

          143. mac12sam12 says

            Bubba had to pay Paula Jones $100,000 because he was guilty. It’s also factual that he’s friends with a convicted pedo that’s donated to the Clinton foundation. The liberal MSM isn’t covering this story, but the UK papers are. Duggar was a minor, what’s Clinton’s excuse? Would you trust your daughter to be near someone who’s friends with a convicted pedophile? I have three daughters and I know I wouldn’t. Both Clintons are corrupt grifters as well.

          144. Rick Rogers says

            Ok first .. Paula Jones was a he said she said. No proof and it was a republican Judge on the bench. 2nd it does not matter a tinkers Damn who donated money to who because if that was the case then any Republican that got Money from that Group that Dylann Roof was a member of needs to be Sending the money back where it came from like Last Week.

          145. mac12sam12 says

            A republican judge. Seriously? Clinton along with all the Kennedys were and are sexual deviants.
            Dylann Roof, burned and stepped on the flag, he hated his country and Jews and blacks. Sounds like your typical democrat voter. The definition of a gun nut is a liberal with a firearm HK45.

          146. Rick Rogers says

            Are you really that far removed from Reality that you believe that. Most Ammosexuals are Republicans or Tea Baggers… And its going to be funny as hell watching the GOP and Tea Party start Running backwards as fast as they when someone decides to target a “Conservative Republican” in an attack. But don’t worry we well be right there telling them over and over about how Guns don’t kill people.

          147. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Liberals are sissies and can only put up “GUN FREE ZONE” signs.

          148. Rick Rogers says

            Keep hoping that Osama Assholea.. We may not be that far off form giving you a taste of your own Right wing stupidity. All its going to take is one Guy who sees the GOP as a threat to National Security to walk GOP Meeting Or maybe an NRA meeting and give them a taste of him exercising his 2nd amendment Rights and start blasting away to have the GOP Start talking about “sensible Gun Control” But you know.. it might be Hard to do that at a NRA event.. You see the last Two such events Banned FIREARMS from the Building.

          149. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Restate that thought (P)rick, it’s hard to understand by literate folk!

          150. Rick Rogers says

            Since you are not one of those Literate folks. Not sure how you can tell

          151. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Blather on (P)rick

          152. mac12sam12 says

            60% of gun deaths are suicides, 62% of the reaming is black gang bangers killing each other. The rest is justified killings by police and private citizens.
            Liberals are mass murderers, James Holmes, Colorado theater shooter and an obama campaign worker. Nadal Hasan at Fort Hood. The Virginia Tech student who killed 32 people. The director’s son Elliot Rodgers who shot six girls because he couldn’t get a date.
            The definition of a gun nut is a sissy man liberal with a firearm.

          153. Rick Rogers says

            How about you proved Proof for those outlandish Claims. Because if you don’t they are just that outlandish Claims.

          154. mac12sam12 says

            They’re FBI stats. I carry and it has saved us twice.

          155. Rick Rogers says

            ok.. just looked thru all of the FBI Website Searching for Gun Violence Stats. How about giving me the link…

          156. Rick Rogers says

            Ok Spent all evening looking for these FBI Stats on their offical Website.. Could not find a link .. Can you share where you found this information please?

          157. mac12sam12 says

            Yahoo search engine. “60% of gun deaths are suicides.” One of the links was from the Huffington post. It’s common knowledge. Are you going to tell me guns cause suicides?

          158. Rick Rogers says

            sorry still don’t see anyplace that says that. The Wiki link was talking about homicides and it did not give details. So how about giving me the link where you found this because SO far it does not say what you are quoting.

          159. mac12sam12 says

            My info is dead on. I’ve been shooting firearms since I was six years old and currently own 13 handguns so i’m used to defending myself against anti-gunners. Did you use the Yahoo search engine? Go to Huffpo and search there.

          160. Rick Rogers says

            yes I did and nothing like you are claiming is coming up.. AnD FYI.. I have been Member of Pistol Shooting teams on and off Since I was in high School So I am not anti Gun..Not being able to shoot with my left hand is one of the things i hate about my accident as well as having to switch all my fishing equipment to the other strong hand. I am Anti “any nutjob can buy a gun because we don’t care who owns one).

          161. mac12sam12 says

            Just read your comment and went to the Yahoo search engine “60 percent of gun deaths are suicides” and a million links came up. My attitude isn’t “we don’t care who owns a gun.” I carry a 1911 for that reason and it’s saved us on two occasions.

          162. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Nothing here, move along.

          163. Rick Rogers says

            IF your talking about your lack of intelligence Your right nothing there Move along

          164. OSAMA OBAMA says

            The fact YOU watched it and then let your daughter watch is typical libTURD fail.

          165. Rick Rogers says

            Try again Feces mouth.. As soon as I found out she was watching I Removed her Netflix access. And told her no more..

          166. stephanie wilson says

            hypocrite . you just like other libs, dodge & weave around a legit question.

          167. Rick Rogers says

            So Stephanie.. How many Sexual Partners have you had.. What age did you lose your Virginity. How many times have you just given a blow job instead of Intercourse? those are all Legit questions..

          168. stephanie wilson says


          169. Rick Rogers says

            Why Stephanie if others peoples Sexual History is fair game why is not YOURS??

          170. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Being a libTURD, we don’t have to ask how many blow jobs you have given.

          171. Rick Rogers says

            Not a one but I did bang your mother Sister and your wife.

          172. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Pink underwear bunching up on ya (p)rick, can’t make your Factivist arguments stick? HaHaHa!

          173. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Geez, the incoherent ramblings and butchering of the English language. Common core (P)Rick?

          174. Rick Rogers says

            Only one butching the English Language is you Osama Assholea

          175. Mark says

            Right, and for the liberals who still don’t realize it, the Social Security Trust Fund is a MYTH. Social Security is a line item on the Federal Budget, and that’s why Congress and other presidents have been able to steal that money so easily.

            In order to truly have a Trust Fund, a privatized fund MUST be created, which the no one representing the Federal Government can dip their fingers into to cover their overspending in other areas.

          176. OSAMA OBAMA says

            (P)rick is another spoiled, little worm sent by his professors out into the world, spewing Marxist Ohillary, but not able to make change for a dollar.

          177. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Reagan’s favorite vegetable was Jim Brady.

          178. Rick Rogers says

            Its terrible Jim Brady had to suffer because Hinkley could not shoot straight

          179. Rick Rogers says

            First off . I am not going to justify you question about a Fantasy and A lie.

          180. Rick Rogers says

            Oh and one other thing

          181. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Or this (p)rick,……

            1. Ending the Cold War: The Cold War had raged since World War II and communism‘s quest for world domination remained an existential threat to the United States when President Reagan took office. Reagan reversed the policy
            of detente and stood firm against the Soviet Union, calling it the Evil
            Empire and telling Mikhail Gorbachev to “tear down this wall” in Berlin. He was relentless in pushing his Strategic Defense Initiative and gave aid to rebels battling Soviet-backed Marxists from Nicaragua to Angola. Those efforts were critical in the ultimate collapse of the Soviet empire and essentially ended the Cold War.
            2. Reaganomics: Reagan’s mix of across-the-board tax cuts,
            deregulation, and domestic spending restraint helped fuel an economic
            boom that lasted two decades. Reagan inherited a misery index (the sum
            of the inflation and unemployment rates) of 19.99%, and when he left
            office it had dropped to 9.72%. President Obama take note: Under
            Reaganomics, 16 million new jobs were created.

            3. Revitalizing the GOP and the conservative movement: The
            Republican Party was at its nadir after Watergate, but Reagan was able
            to form a winning coalition of fiscal conservatives, family-values
            voters, blue-collar Reagan Democrats and neo-conservative intellectuals
            and set the stage for future GOP electoral gains. His free-market,
            small-government, pro-liberty conservatism helped to revitalize the GOP
            and his influence resonates today as conservative candidates still
            invoke Reagan as their standard-bearer.

            4. Peace through Strength: The military was diminished during the
            Carter years, but Reagan reversed that by rebuilding the armed forces.
            His Peace Through Strength philosophy was manifested by his reviving the
            B-1 bomber that Carter canceled, starting production of the MX missile,
            and pushing NATO to deploy Pershing missiles in West Germany. He
            increased defense spending by more than 40%, increased troop levels, and
            even got much-needed space parts into the pipeline. Those efforts
            ensured that America remained a military superpower.

            5. Morning in America: It was basically a slogan for Reagan’s 1984
            reelection bid, but Morning in America symbolized a new beginning for
            the country. Reagan’s jaunty optimism and an economic boom was a
            much-needed tonic for a country that had experienced the malaise of the
            Carter years and the traumas of Watergate and Vietnam.

            6. Star Wars: Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative was derided by
            his opponents as being technologically unfeasible, but the mere threat
            of the U.S. building the system was instrumental in the Soviet Union’s
            collapse. The successful use of Patriot missile batteries in the first
            Gulf War proved the critics wrong, and the missile defense system that
            ensued has lessened the threat of ballistic missiles.

            7. Nuclear weapons cuts: Even as massive demonstrations were held in
            Europe against Reagan’s hawkish stance on nuclear arms, the
            Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty he signed with Soviet
            leader Mikhail Gorbachev eliminated an entire class of nuclear weapons.
            He also laid the framework with Gorbachev for the Strategic Arms
            Reduction Treaty (START), which reduced both countries’ arsenals of
            nuclear weapons.

            8. Voiced values: Reagan gave voice to the values that had served
            America well—thrift, patriotism, and hard work—and often recounted the
            wisdom of the Founding Fathers. He also championed the causes of the
            pro-life and family-values movements that sought to counter the societal
            upheavals of the 1960s and 1970s.

            9. Tax reform: Not only did he cut tax rates, but the Tax Reform Act
            of 1986 simplified the income-tax code by eliminating many tax
            shelters, reducing the number of deductions and tax brackets. Reagan’s
            dream of tax returns fitting on a postcard has been nullified as
            Congress has regressed and continued to make the tax code more complex,
            necessitating a new push for reform.
            10. Taking on PATCO: Early in his administration, members of the
            federal air traffic controllers union (PATCO) went on strike, violating a
            federal regulation. Declaring the strike a “peril to national safety,”
            Reagan gave the workers an ultimatum and ended up firing more than
            11,000 of the striking workers……….The key here, “violating a
            federal regulation”

          182. Rick Rogers says

            1. The Soviets were drowning under their own weight and it was only a matter of time. The democratic movements in the Warsaw pact countries were making it hard for them to maintain Control. All Reagan did was claim credit for it.

            2. Reagnaomics is a joke. Even Reagan’s Running mate called it VooDoo Economics. You can trace the start of this to the Decline in the Middle Classes Wage earning power.

            3. His “Revitalizing the GOP and the conservative movement:” was an attempt to turn back the clock when the country needed to move Forward Not back.

            4. This is your biggest lie… Carter Campaigned on cutting Defense but once he took office his Defense Secretary turn him around. His First budget increased Defense budget by 10 Billion Dollars and recommended an increase of 1 Trillion in military spending over the next 5 years. (lets say that would have been till around 1981 if my count is right)

            5. Morning in America: more like Feeding at the Pork Barrel.. Shortly after Ronald Reagan took office, twenty-three oil industry executives contributed $270,000 to redecorate the White House living quarters. According to the Associated Press: The solicitation drive . . . came four weeks after the President decontrolled oil prices, a decision worth $2 billion to the oil industry . .. Jack Hodges of Oklahoma City, owner of Core Oil and Gas Company, said: “The top man of this country ought to live in one of the top places. Mr. Reagan has helped the energy business.”

            6.Star Wars: Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative.. Strange In 1975 I thought Reagan was Governor of California in 1975.. Thats when the MIM-104 was first tested and It when into Development in Late 1976 and was keep alive all during the Carter years. But You would not be trying to claim Credit For something Raygun Ronnie had nothing to do with now would you. In fact in 23 March 1984 we were no where near the tech need to shot down a ballistic Missile. In fact to this day we are still not completely there yet.

            7. Nuclear weapons cuts: The person you should be thanking for this is not Reagan but fact that Mikhail Gorbachev Agreed to the cuts because he knew for a fact he was running out of time. Documents that were declassified when the Soviet Union fell showed their Nuclear Force was in sad shape and Gorbachev knew he could get something for nothing as he was going to have to make the cuts on his own so he bluffed Reagan into that treaty and got Reagan to make the cuts while giving away NOTHING.

            8. Voiced values: ok lets talk about Values ..Iran-Contra Arms for Hostage Deal that resulted in 14 Convictions.. HUD Scandal 16 Convictions and 16 Billion in tax payer money lost. S&L Scandal over 1 Trillion Dollars Lost. 32 convictions in his Administration’s 8 year term. Having his First Lady Consult and Astrologer for Guidance. (isn’t there something in the BIBLE about Listening to False Prophets? ).

            9. Reagan Raised Taxes on mostly the Middle Class 11 Times during his 8 years.

            10. I was waiting on this one.. During the 1980 Campaign PATCO refused to back President Jimmy Carter, instead endorsing Republican Party candidate Ronald Reagan. PATCO’s refusal to endorse the Democratic Party stemmed in large part from poor labor relations with the FAA (the employer of PATCO members) under the Carter administration and Ronald Reagan’s endorsement of the union and its struggle for better conditions during the 1980 election campaign. PATCO’s complain was about the Longer then 40 hours work week in positions that required life and Death Decisions not daily but hourly. The level of Stress related illnesses among Traffic controllers was a documented fact and they were asking for less time on the “scope” without taking a pay cut. That was the main point of their request..Reagan Disregarded their Warnings and fired then and then had the FAA act by prioritizing and cutting flights severely, and even adopting methods of air traffic management that PATCO had previously lobbied for, the government was initially able to have 50% of flights available. And it was for nothing.. 800 Controllers that wanted them got their jobs back When President Clinton lifted the Ban on hiring them and The PATCO union for all intense and Purposes became the National Air Traffic Controllers Association/ It took 10 years for the Air traffic Control system to replace the people they lost all because Reagan betrayed people he said he supported and wanted to appear like he was a tough guy.

          183. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Factivist lies. Reagan outspent your comrades, cause your beloved communists couldn’t keep spending at the pace of the surging engine of capitalism’s dynamo.
            “Forward Not back.”….Yup, gun control for law abiding citizens, restrictions on free speech, religion, illegal aliens sucking at the nation’s resources and carbon credits that eventually affect the middle class but enrichen libTURDS like Al (the earth has a fever” Gore.

            “China is aggressively building up military forces capable of striking U.S. forces in the western Pacific and elsewhere as part of what the Pentagon calls an array of high-tech “anti-access” missiles, submarines and warplanes in its latest annual report.””According to a report by RIA
            Moscow may be developing a heavy-liquid-fuel, non-nuclear,
            precision-guided payload capability for a new class of ICBMs, which
            would give Russia near-global coverage.”
            “(Reuters) – President Barack Obama
            was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President
            Dmitry Medvedev that he will have “more flexibility” to deal with
            contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential
            Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on Monday proposed shrinking the Army to
            its smallest size in 74 years, closing bases and reshaping forces to
            confront a “more volatile, more unpredictable” world with a more nimble
            military……any doubt now you libtard maggots!

          184. Rick Rogers says

            Tell you what Osama Assholea, I am not wasting my time on a Reagan Koolaid drinker. You would make Jim Jones proud. So respond all you want to my post. You are now Ignored.

          185. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Little sissy (P)rick can’t respond to the truth, so he pouts and runs away…..

          186. Rick Rogers says

            just for you Assholea

          187. Rick Rogers says

            this would be a much nicer picture if that Second date was 1981

          188. OSAMA OBAMA says

            I thought you went crying home to mommy!

          189. Rick Rogers says

            tell you What
            People’s History of the United States, A Paperback – June 23, 1995
            by Howard Zinn (Author)

            is available on line it is non partisan and does not hold back in punches. Give it a glance if you can spare time from the name calling.

          190. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Gee (p)rick….”it is non partisan”….but then,….”Zinn described himself as “something of an anarchist, something of a socialist. Maybe a democratic socialist.”[3][4] He wrote extensively about the civil rights and anti-war movements, and labor history of the United States.”…Yup, sounds non-partisan to me.

          191. Rick Rogers says

            maybe you should read without judging.. He racks both Democrats and Republicans over the coals

          192. OSAMA OBAMA says

            He racks?? What, billiard balls?

          193. Rick Rogers says

            What the hell are you babbling about

          194. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Good, you edited your usual misspelling. Dude, Common Core failed you, but what gov’t. agency, policy, branch employee doesn’t fail miserably.

          195. Rick Rogers says

            Don’t know what your babbling about so how about saving the rest of us some bandwidth and cease your nonsense

          196. OSAMA OBAMA says


          197. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Posting graphics uses far more of your frikken band width. J.O.

          198. Rick Rogers says

            and another thing

          199. stephanie wilson says


          200. Rick Rogers says

            oh you hurt me so bad.. I don’t think I can go on. Naw.. it was just a mosquito bite

          201. Mark says

            WE need another Ronald Reagan in the White House, and at least HALF of both Houses of Congress filled with like-minded people, in order to restore the greatness of the Shining City on the Hill that MR. Reagan believed America was and Could be for all people.

          202. Rick Rogers says

            Wish you could be around in a 100 years when Reagan is going to be listed as the worst president in the 20th Century.

          203. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Sorry (P)rick, Carter was by far the most limp wristed, pansyassed “president” on record. He should have stuck to growing p-nuts. The hostage situation floundered until THE DAY REAGAN TOOK OFFICE. The rest is history (being re-written by the libTURD maggots of academia.

          204. Rick Rogers says

            Your Question does not deserve an answer.

          205. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Prattle on (p)rick. Someone is a little moody ..Didn’t your cannabis supplier show up?

          206. Rick Rogers says

            Osama Assholea you can give up. Your attempts at insults don’t bother me but just reinforce the belief of Scumbag that lives in the republican Party. You know the type that are to much of a coward to put there Real Name on what they right.

          207. OSAMA OBAMA says

            I love how you turds accuse us conservatives of not being bright, then you type this crap..”Your attempts at insults don’t bother me but just reinforce the belief
            of Scumbag that lives in the republican Party. You know the type that
            are to much of a coward to put there Real Name on what they right.” commas missing, Caps. missing, to instead of too, there instead of their, words that shouldn’t be capitalized, right instead if write.LMAO…. Either your dealer has shown up, or, without cut and paste and the Factivist website, you are nothing. ROTFLMAO!!

          208. Rick Rogers says

            Your real funny trying to rewrite what I post. Just proves you are the liar I thought you were. And as far as the Caps go it was for emphasis not to please a Grammar Nazi

          209. OSAMA OBAMA says

            You left out the Kennedys. One drunken, cowardly sot left an intern to drown in his car and the other two had Marilyn killed after their affairs came to light.

          210. Rick Rogers says

            Strom Thurman Raped the black Family maid and had a daughter by her. You have a Congressman from Tenn. That is suppose to be Pro life but has gotten 3 women Pregnant Besides his wife and talked them into having abortions. So maybe you should not throw stones when your living in that Glass house

          211. OSAMA OBAMA says

            “What you see below is a picture of of Josh Duggar with just about every Major GOP important Political Figure”… What’s your stooge point (p)rick, guilt by association?

          212. Rick Rogers says

            OSama assholea maybe you should go back to Pick up reading lessons…

            “So maybe you should not throw stones when your living in that Glass house”

          213. CANKLED OHILLARY says

            How would these worthy candidates know that Dugger and his son, were closet libTURDS?

          214. Rick Rogers says

            whats Wrong OSAMA ASSHOLEA you afraid to call them exactly what they are Child molesters? Does saying the word give you a hard on? And like normal you have missed out on the point..

            Mike Huckabee AFTER the story broke.

            Janet and I want to affirm our support for the Duggar family. Josh’s actions when he was an underage teen are as he described them himself, ‘inexcusable,’ but that doesn’t mean ‘unforgivable.’ He and his family dealt with it and were honest and open about it with the victims and the authorities. No purpose whatsoever is served by those who are now trying to discredit Josh or his family by sensationalizing the story. Good people make mistakes and do regrettable and even disgusting things. The reason that the law protects disclosure of many actions on the part of a minor is that the society has traditionally understood something that today’s blood-thirsty media does not understand—that being a minor means that one’s judgement is not mature. No one needs to defend Josh’s actions as a teenager, but the fact that he confessed his sins to those he harmed, sought help, and has gone forward to live a responsible and circumspect life as an adult is testament to his family’s authenticity and humility. Those who have enjoyed revealing this long ago sins in order to discredit the Duggar family have actually revealed their own insensitive bloodthirst, for there was no consideration of the fact that the victims wanted this to be left in the past and ultimately a judge had the information on file destroyed—not to protect Josh, but the innocent victims. Janet and I love Jim Bob and Michelle and their entire family. They are no more perfect a family than any family, but their Christian witness is not marred in our eyes because following Christ is not a declaration of our perfection, but of HIS perfection. It is precisely because we are all sinners that we need His grace and His forgiveness. We have been blessed to receive God’s love and we would do no less than to extend our love and support for our friends. In fact, it is such times as this, when real friends show up and stand up. Today, Janet and I want to show up and stand up for our friends. Let others run from them. We will run to them with our support.

            sarah Palin

            “I’ve been one to speak out on behalf of victims, for one, and there are victims in this issue with the Duggars, and others sexually exploited and assaulted and had to live with the advances, sexually speaking, from someone they trusted.”

            Her outrage ignited even further by the media coverage, “The media’s hypocrisy about how they try to crucify an entire family for a 14-year-old kid’s actions 12 years ago.”

            Palin says she feels bad for the victims, “Unfortunately, this had all been rebirthed, and the girls trusted their counselors and trusted law enforcement that they were telling law enforcement and counselors that it would all be confidential and private, and here it’s busted out for all the world to see and be humiliated by.”

            These were all after the fact and IF any of the people had the Morals they claim to they would have stood on a stage and said in no uncertain terms he was a child molester and a hypocrite.. And yet . there is nothing but strange Silence.

          215. OSAMA OBAMA says

            “there is nothing but strange Silence”…Kinda like when muSLIMES kill innocent Americans..Just sayin, (P)rick!
            Your “guilt by association is like Ocumstains….allegiance to:William Charles “Bill” Ayers (born December 26, 1944)[1] is an American elementary education theorist and a former leader in the counterculture movement , Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group[2] that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings (including police stations, the U.S. Capitol Building, and the Pentagon) During the 2008 US presidential campaign, a controversy arose over his contacts with candidate Barack Obama. He is married to Bernardine Dohrn, who was also a leader in the Weather Underground.

            “On November 15, 2008, Sam Webb, National Chair of the Communist Party USA delivered an address to the Communist Party USA National Committee. During his address, he noted the following concerning the party’s relationship with Obama, “The left can and should advance its own views and disagree with
            the Obama administration without being disagreeable. Its tone should be
            respectful. We are speaking to a friend.”
            I seem to remember something about glass houses…..

          216. Rick Rogers says

            You sound just like some of the French upper class during the French Revolution.. Gee I wounder what happen to most of them?

          217. OSAMA OBAMA says

            “what happen”…Ebonics again?

          218. Nathan says

            Hate to tell you this bud, but it was on the news about blacks who voted for Obama numerous times. They said during the interviews that they didn’t know it was wrong. I will see if the news clips are online and post them. This was directly after the last election and btw nothing prosecution of fraudulent voting was set in place. They just let it go like aww its ok that your ignorant to how our political system works. After the last 8 years there is no possibility for a democratic president. That was demonstrated as the conservatives took over the house and Senate during last election.

          219. Rick Rogers says

            Wow you really don’t read between the lines do you. I am glad your so proud of a 18.8% victory in a mid term election. Because that’s what it was. the turn out was 36.9% of registered voters turned out for the Mid terms your so proud of. So that means that 63.1% decided not to vote. Of that 36.9 that voted the Republicans took 51% which means that was 18.8 percent of Registered Voters. Last time I looked in a dictionary 18.8 was not considered a “Mandate”. As for there not being another Democratic president in 2016 I guess you that you can just explain away the 10,000 plus people that showed up for Bernie Sanders in Scott Walkers Back yard last week or the 12,000 that were estimated for Hillary in New York. lets compare that to the 1 person that showed up for Santorum in Iowa.. Or the Mandatory attendance for Cruz’s roll out at Liberty University or the PAID Crowd that Donald Trump arranged for his roll out to make it look like people were excited about him.. You know who is excited about Cruz, Trump, Santorum, Christie, and Bush.. Late night Comedy writers are excited about them.

          220. Paul Hayward says

            But of course my Dear Richard… Fox always lies… all Democrats are Saints… Dead people have rights too… Illegals don’t do anything else illegal… Chicago’s elections are always honest… Billionaires only support Republicans… The Govt. always tells the truth (Snowden and the NSA, Lerner and the IRS, Hillary and Benghazi, The ATF and Operation Fast and Furious, DARPA is designed to improve the Human Condition)…The Free Food and Drug Administration has no ties to corporations… The Bankers have no interest (sic) in controlling the World… Marijuana (cannabis) is dangerous and should be listed as a Schedule 1 substance… and Hillary is going to kick the GOP’s arse with the slogan “What Does It Matter??”….. happy little world you live in….

            Happy little moron, Lucky little man.

            I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!

            —Spike Milligan

            Oh… and BTW…. here’s another one for ya’… The US Govt. does NOT own the patent on Cannabis (… )

          221. Rick Rogers says

            I agree with you about the part about you being a moron. I think you hit that nail on the head.

          222. stephanie wilson says

            you missed & hit yourself in the head.

          223. David C Kelder says

            Careful Paul. Rick does not understand sarcastic hyperbola.

          224. Bud says

            Reports of these occurrences have not been only on Fox News, genius. America has not rejected “the GOP as a whole.” The Republicans control more of the country than do the Democrats. Catch up.

          225. Rick Rogers says

            All caught up. You might want to check in to the Real world.. There are about 28 million more Registered Democrats then republicans. Ever election since 1988 when you added up TOTAL Votes. Democrats had more votes then Republicans and the only reason that they have a majority in the House is because they have Gerrymandered the Districts. Every Major issue The American people side with Democrats vs republicans.. Young People registering for the First time are Registering as Democrats at a 3 to one Rate over Republicans. You and your party are about to become the Modern Day WHIGS.. and it can’t happen soon enough. And what I love more then anything is that Your GOP Presidential Candidates are starting to talk about Limiting the Terms of Supreme Court judges on a Court that they have the Majority on. And they are dumb enough not to realized that Scalia and Thomas would be the first two out the door if they get their way..

          226. stephanie wilson says

            you do know that dems started gerrymandering, right??

          227. Rick Rogers says

            You really don’t want to go there Stephanie.. Here is the Congressional District I live in. The majority of the Population So don’t tell me about Dems Gerrymandering because I am all for independent commission drawing Congressional Districts. But I understand you don’t want that because when you added up The total number of Votes cast for Congressmen and Senators in the last election without taking into a account state Lines.. Democrats have out polled Republicans in each of the last 4 elections. Thats not hard to back up the information is out there just by addeding up Final Vote counts for each state from the information on each Board of election site. So yes lets get rid of Gerrymandering. so the true majority can have the house and Senate back. Oh and by the way that district picture Votes Democrat. and it was Drawn By REPUBLICANS. its over 100 miles Long and barely 10mikes wide in some places.

          228. stephanie wilson says

            why? cannot stand the truth?

          229. Rick Rogers says

            You would not know the truth if it bite in what I am sure is your FAT ASS.

          230. Michael Dennewitz says

            Geeze, doesn’t sound like (p)Rick rogers has too many fans here.. Whew! Poor little (p)rick!! HARHARHAR

          231. Rick Rogers says

            Believe there Micheal Most of the people on here I would not want as friends.

          232. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Vice versa twit!! The constant high pitched whining and grousing would cause Gandhi to commit murder.

          233. Rick Rogers says

            Please Osama assholea. Tell me your voluteering to be his first Victim

          234. NavymanBill says

            Nor we you.

          235. Rick Rogers says

            thats fine Bill.. Not required. I will still stand up and defend your right to say what you believe no matter how much I disagree with it. But I will not stand by and let someone tell me I haven’t the right to say what I believe in.

          236. ricktenny says

            Why would you want someone with Clinton’s credentials running the Nation you live in? The people you put your vote behind are the people you entrust with the health of your Country. The people who will build what you want to pass on to your future generations. If you throw out all his other debacles, we now has a president who has thrown open our southern border to whatever thugs, drug dealers and general miscreants who were up for the trip. There are some good ones as well, but the man has just taken a dump on the law. People have died from what he has done. I live in Wimberley Texas. We are a town with a lot of construction since WW2. That makes us a stop along the “Hey Mister got trabaho.” We see the good bad and their juvenile delinquents. Our president wants to put these people on our welfare roll for us and then your descendants. Think a minute about what happened there. “Because Congress has FAILED TOO ACT and Fix immigration, I will.”
            Congress hasn’t failed to do anything. They represent US. I didn’t think we had a broken immigration system, did you? They didn’t do anything because there was no roar from us little people. But our president, for God only knows what reason, decided to apportion unto himself the power to make Law! Presidents don’t make laws. Congress makes Law, The Supreme Court interprets the Law and Presidents guide our Nation, taking care not to violate the Law. The president violated the Law and The Constitution in doing that. He also softened up millions of the sheep, got then used too, if you will, a president making law. That is the largest step any US President has ever taken toward a one Ruler Government. And the “People” were danced right through it without so much as a whimper. We’re so happy, He isn’t Mr. President He’s Baroc. All nice, warm and friendly.
            There are a few good Republicans and some good Democrats are also surfacing. last thing our Nation needs is Hillary Clinton and game on politics. I also don’t think we need the same thing from Jeb Bush. In the early 1940’s the President, trying to pick things up in Africa, The War wasn’t going very well, picked Dwight Eisenhower from out of nowhere, put him in charge of the whole deal knowing if he failed the United States was lost. I honestly feel that the people are faced with such a choice and we had best do a good job.

          237. Rick Rogers says

            Well Lets see maybe its because I have seen what Happens when we leave the country to People like George Bush and Dick Cheney.. The Refusal for the GOP to admit they made a mistake backing those to will keep me very considering the Current Clown Car the GOP is putting forward. Here this says it in a nutshell..

          238. stephanie wilson says

            bush inherited clinton’s housing bubble, nice try moron.

          239. Rick Rogers says

            Bullshit… Bush was left a Surplus and pissed it away before his 1st year in office was over.

          240. stephanie wilson says

            that is a leftwing myth.

          241. Rick Rogers says

            Sorry but the Congressional Budget office and the General Accounting Office don’t deal in Myths. Your confusing them with Faux News.

          242. stephanie wilson says

            you deal in myths. the same cbo also claimed things about obamacare that turned out false. so please spare us the bull.

          243. Rick Rogers says

            You are an idiot. Everything that was predicted by both the CBO and GAO about the Affordable Care act has been right on the money so far. The only ones that are saying Different are the ones that NEED you to Believe it or they can’t win an election in 2016.. Like Cruz, Rand, Perry, Palin (oh god I wish she would run have not had a good laugh in awhile) and Can’t Forget Bush the third. I hope you live in a state that turned down setting up an exchange there Stephanie that way you can REAP what you SOW

          244. OSAMA OBAMA says

            What oversight do those two GOVERNMENT AGENCIES have (P)rick?

          245. Rick Rogers says

            wow did you not learn anything in school or did your GED classes just not cover it. Since 1975, CBO has produced independent analyses of budgetary and economic issues to support the Congressional budget process. Each year, the agency’s economists and budget analysts produce dozens of reports and hundreds of cost estimates for proposed legislation. CBO is strictly nonpartisan; conducts objective, impartial analysis; and hires its employees solely on the basis of professional competence without regard to political affiliation. CBO does not make policy recommendations, and each report and cost estimate summarizes the methodology underlying the analysis.

            The Government Accountability Office (GAO) is an independent agency which provides to the United States Congress audit, evaluation, and investigative services. As such it is part of the legislative branch of the United States government.

          246. OSAMA OBAMA says

            The Urban Institutue is described as a “leading liberal think tank” by the Los Angeles Times..Before coming to CBO, Ms. Gullo worked at the Urban Institute

          247. mac12sam12 says

            and obama has spent more money than any other president and the economy still sucks. the stimulus was supposed to be for roads and bridges, “shovel ready jobs that weren’t so shovel ready.” Instead it went to union payoffs and rewards for donors. Do you get all your news from Brian Williams and Josh Earnest?

          248. Rick Rogers says

            NO but I can see you get yours from Faux News

          249. Rick Rogers says

            So mac12sam12 what are you going to do for “News” when Rupert retires later this month and leaves the company in the hands of his two sons who have made Public statements slamming the Current State and Direction of Fox News. And Fat old Roger Ailes gets bounced on out the door?

          250. mac12sam12 says

            Clinton “borrowed” from SS and the military budget for his surplus. Clinton was known as Newt’s rubber stamp.

          251. Rick Rogers says

            Your History is Faulty.. but that’s no surprise.. Most Conservatives could not past the US History portion of the Citizenship Test we give Immigrants that want to be citizens.

          252. NavymanBill says

            And also from the VA, as Rickyboy has so conveniently ignored, trying to get me to feel the Dems are “looking out for me. Such Bulls@@t. Clinton had a surplus because he gutted the US Armed Forces as a result of his famous “Peace Dividend!” That is where the surplus came from.

          253. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Paying off CLITon’s fraud programs (P)rick!

          254. stephanie wilson says

            rick rogers is an obama troll

          255. Bud says

            Apparently you missed those news clips of the black Democrat pollworker in Cincinnati who openly bragged about having voted six times for Obama and thought she did nothing wrong. That is just one example, one that we know about. Most of it is not detected.

            You keep lying to yourself if it will make you feel better.

          256. Rick Rogers says

            Nope but not going to trash someone that does not understand the system. But there is no excuse for the Republican poll worker in Seattle that thought it was ok to vote for Republicans on the Ballots of people that did not vote in every Race. or the jerk in Boston that sent out incorrect polling place information in mailers to people in minority Areas.

          257. Jimmy King says

            HAHAHAHA Because all of the studies show there has been little to NO voter fraud. Pu;ll your head out

          258. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Site your “factcheck” or “Snopes” studies! LMFAO!

          259. John says

            If you really believe those studies are on the up-and-up, then you are the one who needs to get your head out of your butt!

          260. Bud says

            HAHAHAHA Because any study can be manipulated to show what the study’s sugar daddy wants it to show. There are too many reports from around the country illustrating voter fraud. Pull your head out.

          261. Michael Dennewitz says

            If the HNIC declares martial law long before voting time, there will be NO elections. Slowly but surely, everything is being taken away from us…

          262. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Exactly!! Big gubmnet and big pharm. are going to force us to take vaccinations.

          263. Btty says

            They already are here in looney California! We have no say. All this BS because they have allowed all these illegals into this country who do not vaccinate and diseases that were once wiped out are now on the rise. This is what happens when you have a bunch of F–kups running the country.

          264. OSAMA OBAMA says

            What the A.M.A., the media, and the Big Pharm. don’t want you to know……

          265. Nathan says

            I would like them to try

          266. Mark says

            Somehow, I don’t see that happening. We’re wise to their deception,. Now it’s time to ACT. Members of the Militias of the States, prepare for war. Don’t allow martial Lawlessness to be declared.

            If ever Obama, Biden, and the Justices of the Court need to be Impeached, It’s now. So let’s MAKE IT HAPPEN1

          267. Bud says

            There won’t be any warning if martial law is declared.

          268. Jimmy King says

            You had better run Chicken Little, RUN

          269. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Ramble on, oh scholarly one.

          270. Michael Dennewitz says

            Ahhhh, you see? Happens in every discussion! Cannot think of anything intelligent to remark, resorts to name calling.. Must be a demoncrap!

          271. jaybird says

            Maybe that is when the Patriot uprising/backlash will begin because it is going to take something to get it moving.

          272. Nathan says

            Unfortunately, there is no legal or peaceful way to get our rights back from our corrupt, lying, government who is nothing more than a group of extortionists

          273. Michael Dennewitz says

            Quite to the contrary Nathan. All across this country there are snipers in training. Yes, it will take decades to correct it all, but the little faggot mooselum’s payback is being worked on, trust me..

          274. Nathan says

            I know it’s being worked on. Problem is who is going to be elected or as it works now a day’s placed into office who has same or worse characteristics of Obama and is followers. Any political decision takes years to reverse however my children are going to suffer from his ignorance. I wish we could just go back in time Amgen things were simpler. Still had political flaws then too but were not as bad as today

          275. Michael Dennewitz says

            When the repooplicans gained control, it didn’t change a thing. Well, yes it did. It showed us all what money hungry, ass kissing traitors look like. I would rather have someone stand in front of me and tell me he’s going to screw me over, than have a ass kissing politician make promises……then ram it up our asses. And the bros thought their world was going to get so much better. How’s it feel now, dumbasses.. One highly trained sniper is all we need.. Oh, that’s right, the HNIC had Chris “taken out!”

          276. Bud says

            The Republicans “gained control” only of Congress. Obama still has his phone and his pen. As such, they can pass good legislation ’til the cows come home; that does not mean Obama will sign it.
            Even in Congress any good legislation would face a Democrat filibuster.

          277. jaybird says

            We need to go back to paper ballots with people volunteering as monitors, the voting machines can be hacked.

          278. Elizabeth Fortin says

            I agree wholeheartedly. I also believe in voter ID’s. Not a citizen-NO VOTE!!

          279. seersuckerandapanama says

            Yes! Voting machine fraud in Clark County, Nevada got Harry Reid re-elected in 2010. There should be legislative efforts in all states to return to hard-copy ballots.

          280. jaybird says

            We need to challenge the count like the Conservatives did back in Nov.

          281. Bud says

            It’s not that the voting machines can be “hacked” (wouldn’t they have to be connected to the Internet for that?), but their internal software can be manipulated to count, say, every 10th Republican vote for the Democrats. Remember all those reports the last two elections?

          282. jaybird says

            I did not realize that I needed to get technical, the article stated that the machines can be hacked for voter fraud. Voter fraud is voter fraud, doesn’t matter how they did it.

          283. Bud says

            Since when were voting machines connected to the Internet?

          284. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Marry me!!

          285. Mark says

            Right. For years, I’ve been saying, (and posting) that I firmly believe that when all registered voters truly learn about the specific issues that are important to them, and then vote according to their beliefs, ignoring the political the liberals would be truly scared $hitless.

            Last Friday, when the Justices overruled God’s natural Law, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights,, they created our Day that will live in Infamy. Now the Sleeping Beast HAS Awakened, and all Christians and truly god-fearing people of other faiths are Uniting in opposition to The Evil done by Our once trustworthy Executive and Judicial Officials.

            If this is truly the beginning of the Great persecution, let’s go down fighting for God’s Law. To HELL with the A.C.L.U. and the other Civil Wrong (rights) organizations.

            The Time has come. It’s up to us. So what are We the people going to do to correct the problem , provided of course we can correct it?

          286. Nina says

            Nice thought Texas…….BUT you are forgetting one thing, the networks are all corrupt!!! You get off your ass get someone, anyone to listen to you, and then us sissies will be in back of you! First you have to get the corrupt media to listen!! Good luck and God Bless!! I’m not being sarcastic I’m being serious, bc I feel the same way as you do!! This country, our beautiful America, is sucking right now!

          287. glock 19 fan says

            Good point, Nina; this is the same news media that worshipped the ground that Stalin — the second bloodiest butcher of all time (second only to Mao) — walked on. There were op-eds during the 30’s calling for Stalin to come here and show us how to run a government. Hitler, BTW, was a distant third and the media loved him also until he attacked Russia. Never mind that the Germans were originally welcomed as liberators by the Russian people because Stalin was every bit that bad.

          288. Wild_Bill_vintage_1948 says

            Please tell us more.
            I have recently read that Stalin murdered around 30 million Russian and Ukrainian Christians over the period of his reign. How many people did Mao murder?

          289. glock 19 fan says

            At least 35 million went through Mao’s meat grinder.

            In fact, it was the Germans who, in 1943, discovered the Katyn Forest masscre near Smolensk in which 15,000 Polish officers were found in a mass grave. The Germans took some American POW’s to the site and said, in effect, “You pick and we fetch.” Our POW’s had free rein and one of them, a Lt Col, said afterward that he and his men didn’t want to believe the Germans but the evidence simply added up like an open and shut murder case. E.g., of all the letters, diaries and other papers found on the bodies, none bore a later date than April of 1940 when the Soviet Secret Police controlled the area. There have also been reports of a city park in Kiev with a high fence around it and threats of death to anyone who looked inside; it was piled high with bodies — possibly part of Yezhov’s (sp?) chistka (cleansing) ordered by Stalin. The reports were kept under wraps until the war was over and the Cold War replaced it. Then, also, is when Orwell was finally able to get a publisher for **Animal Farm** which is a bitter criticism of Stalin.

          290. Matthew V. Brown says

            Nah, if it was “sucking”, at least it would be accomplishing something vaguely positive. I’m not sure I HAVE a word for what is happening to this country, our truly beautiful America.

          291. Miyako says

            WOW…………………………! A women In The Know”’! I’m Really Impressed…..! The Women I Meet…..Think Hillary The Witch Clinton…………Is Some Kind Of Joan Of Ark”’!”? Really….She Is a Witch”! And…………….a Very UGLY One at That”’!

          292. kotoc says

            I would love to volunteer for each and every election, Texas Woman! However, I doubt they would accept my “help.” The last time I went to vote, I was asked which party I was “registered” with, and I replied “Republican” … and the black lady that was issuing me my number “accidentally” put me in the DEMOCRAT book. I had to correct her, and I received a very icy stare from lots of other voters. You see, I live in a community where there is a majority of black and Hispanic voters.

          293. Bud says

            I participated in Rush’s Operation Chaos back in ’08. Since my state had decertified the Libertarian Party for not receiving a sufficient percentage of the vote in the previous election I was free to vote in any primary I wished. I told the lady at the desk that I wanted the “Commu–er, Democrat Party” ballot so I could vote in the primary for Hillary.

          294. kotoc says


          295. Rboo says

            You mean CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS all the ones owned by big businesses, the only one you can truly trust is FOX and some here on the internet.

          296. bobclaville says

            Not gonna happen Texas Woman. The majority of American voters today are lazy, and depend on Govt. to think, breath, eat, and even Crap for them. American education of the common folk is nothing but a TEACHERS UNION joke.

          297. disqus_MZe2ymfHQj says

            Kotoc—Isn’t that what the communist do, let the people think they vote.

          298. chief1937 says

            Short answer “YES”.May God save this nation.

          299. markypolo says

            We can STOP supporting them with OUR money!! That is what WE can do.STOP buying and supporting Democrat Business. STOP going to movies directed and supported by Liberal and Democrat actors. STOP supporting Liberal and Democrat Ball Teams. Take YOUR money OUT of George Soros funds ( and other Liberals)! MONEY talks BS walks.

          300. Mark says

            ACTUALLY, no. if every tax payer refused to pay their taxes, that would eliminate Federal Power faster than anything else we could do. Dry up the river of legally-extorted money they get from us, and the bureaucracy dies.

            Not even the Military personnel who may back the President will do so if he can’t pay them.

          301. Mark says

            If so, then what someone once predicted has come to pass “One day, it won’t matter who you vote for, because we will be everywhere.”

          302. kotoc says

            It would be interesting to know who it was that predicted that… because it seems to be true. Do you know who it was?

          303. Mark says

            Sorry, I don’t remember who said that. I must be getting old.

          304. kotoc says

            Well, thanks anyway…. but to me it sounds like the words of Hitler (or Hillary… take your pick)

          305. Rick Rogers says

            If they wanted to “rig elections” they would own the Voting machine companies.. You know like Romney Son does

          306. kotoc says

            Who is Romney Son? What kind of news am I missing? I’ve never heard of him.

          307. Rick Rogers says

            Solamere, Mitt Romney and his wife, son and brother are major investors in an investment firm called H.I.G. Capital. H.I.G. in turn holds a majority share and three out of five board members in Hart Intercivic, a company that owns the notoriously faulty electronic voting machines that will count the ballots in swing state Ohio November 7. Hart machines will also be used elsewhere in the United States.

            In other words, a candidate for the presidency of the United States, and his brother, wife and son, have a straight-line financial interest in the voting machines that could have decided the 2012 Election. These machines cannot be monitored by the public. But they will help decide who “owns” the White House.”

          308. kotoc says

            Then it stands to reason that Mitt Romney SHOULD have won the election when he was running against Obama, right? Or if they acquired this “power” over the election, he could have run again in 2012 to get Obama OUT of the White House, right? This makes no sense to me at all.

          309. Rick Rogers says

            Ballot box works just fine. Its the height of Arrogance to say something does not work just because it does not go your way.

          310. David C Kelder says

            Rick Rogers Did the voter terminals that were “misaligned” so that they changed votes for Republican candidates into votes for democrats “work just fine”? I guess, if you are a liberal, they worked they way you intended.

          311. Rick Rogers says

            Sorry there David but the only place I have read that was happening was Here in North Carolina.. At the Precinct that I vote at and it was Democratic votes Changed in to Republican. They showed the “tape” from the voting machine with the Changes that the voter never made.

          312. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Show us (p)rick!

          313. Michael Dennewitz says

            That is SUCH A CROCK OF SHIT TROLL

          314. Rick Rogers says

            Only crock of shit here is that you can’t stand the fact he beat your “boy” fair and Square not once but twice. The American people Rejected your Views and will keep rejected them as you let this country be turned into a Theocracy, a Oligarchy, a Plutocracy, a bankocracy or worst a Corporatocracy..

          315. Michael Dennewitz says

            Rogers, when you were born, your father probably smacked the piss out of your mother instead of your ass. Time I put you in spam, along with a few other turd-brains.. I just know you can’t be married! Who the hell could love a Marxist troll? Bye bitch!!!

          316. Nathan says

            Rick, you obviously don’t know shit. The American people didn’t want Obama care and voted out the Kennedy seat which has been a democratic for decades just to vote down obamacare. He still shuved it down our throats. I believe in best man for the job, not this game of right and left. Politics have turned into a circus. Not about right and wrong. Not about what’s best for our country. And people like you need to think before you open your mouth or type anything on these sites. Do your own research.

          317. Rick Rogers says

            And obviously you not very current on Politics.. That Kennedy seat your talking about is notw occupied by Elizabeth Warren.. and for that matter you not very current on News as well because non partisan Polling data shows that the Affordable Care act is liked by those that sign up for it. Check out this one. its not the only one like it I have read.
            oh.. and the man mention above has a goFundme setup up and most of those giving him a “REPUBLICAN” money are identifying themselves as Liberals.

          318. Nathan says

            Look at the 10% of the population who signed up for it. People who are on welfare and only live on welfare, and contribute nothing to society. Open your eyes fool. It’s hurting the middle class and what’s left of it. The Kennedy seat was purposely taken just to shut down the final vote on obama care. That did happen in 09 or 10. It’s not wanted by the majority and four good reason. I am willing to bet you didn’t look up the the actual bill and read it which was over 2000 pages. You need to quit listening to media and realize the democrats want people dependant on the government, republicans are liars and are for both local and corporate business while liberals are only for big business. I choose republican over liberals cause big government leads to Lee’s freedom. I like what freedom I have left since our constitution is about worthless these days. Quit being blinded by just one side and look at the other side as well. ALL politicians are corrupt. Republican or democrat. Nothing they do is for the better of the American people. Liberals are the worse of the two.

          319. Rick Rogers says

            Sorry that you don’t have faith in a system. Most people vote for the less of two evils and to me people that cut support for our Veterans that allow the Poor to go hungry while the Rich stuff themselves. That allows Corporate welfare. Was The ACA perfect no.. but it was more then any republican (reagan, Bush or Bush ) had come up with and its should cut The number of medical Bankruptcies are that drive up prices for everyone. Single Payer for everyone would be the better way to do it but Republicans won’t go for that either.

          320. Nathan says

            So why are you a democrat. These people need to get off their lazy assess. Welfare has a purpose but commy liberals allow the system to be accused and don’t you tell me otherwise cause its a living fact where I am

          321. Nathan says

            I did go for the lesser the two evils. Liberals are more corrupt than republicans and obviously love to violate people’s rights, take away freedoms and when the threat of the world is most imminent to our country they decrease the size of our military. Of course there is your favorite president and his hr 46 bill.

          322. Rick Rogers says

            There is no greater threat right now then the threat of Right wing extremist inside the United States. who want to turn the United States into a theocracy. I am so sick and tired of listening to suppose fake Christians complaining there being oppressed when they are the Majority in this country. It sounds like what Hitler used as justification on why he had to get rid of the Jews. And no ISIS is not a threat. IF it was why doesn’t Saudi Arabia who the threat is more of a danger to doing something about it with there 200,000 man Military with the Billions in equipment the US as has provided them.

          323. stephanie wilson says

            idiot lib. quit lying to people.

          324. Rick Rogers says

            So lets see.. The Patriot Act that allowed peoples Rights to be tramped on. Rex 84. REX 84 or the Readiness Exercise 1984, and was set up for a classified “scenario and drill” so the federal government could suspend the United States Constitution while declaring martial law and placing top military leaders in charge of state and local governments. The plan would then lead to detaining large numbers of American citizens who the government labeled as a “national security” threat.

            Written by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, NSC liaison to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and John Brinkerhoff, the deputy director of “national preparedness” programs for the FEMA, the bill was based off a report written by the former FEMA chief Louis Giuffrida in 1970. The report proposed the detention of over 20 million “American Negroes” if there was an African American revolt in the United States. The Miami Herald reported in 1987 that all it took was a signature from Ronald Reagan himself and his Attorney General to make REX 84 happen.

            So are you going to Claim now that Ronald Reagan was a Liberal?/ Just curious

          325. Rick Rogers says

            Well your version of Less government pretty much means no clean air to breath no clean water. Chemicals pumped into the ground were ever a company want to do it. And very few if any National Parks. You never be able to see a bear in the wild and the rivers will have few fish because of the crap companies want to pump into them. Your not supporting a democracy your supporting Corporatocracy

          326. stephanie wilson says

            rogers likes to rewrite history. that is what libs have been doing for years.

          327. NavymanBill says

            Rick, you don’t get paid by Obama or the Democrats, do you? I recognize that “trolling’ gives your life some meaning, but you are putting out stuff, that is AT BEST, incomplete. There was LOTS of voter fraud in the 2012 election, ballot box stuffing, ballot boxes going missing , harassment outside of polling places by the ACORN types (Obama’s OLD street friends). Don’t believe me? Google it! They were roughing up people who said they wouldn’t vote for Obama!! Philadelphia was full of it.There are FILMS of it! Your experience in Podunk, North Carolina was NOT a universal experience. There is OVERWHELMING evidence that vote-fixing and other “glitches” worked in favor of the Democrats. Not to mention real or threatened violence.

          328. Rick Rogers says

            Its one of two things.. Either your nose is 50 foot long from the lies your knowingly speading or your one of those that keeps voting GOP even though they spit in your face on a regular basis.. You said Navyman huh.. So tell me about all the great work the GOP did to support the Veterans that have come home from their illegal and immoral War. IF I was just basing my vote on Veterans affairs it would be a cold day in hell before I would cast a RED VOTE.

          329. NavymanBill says

            Okay Ricky boy! Time to man up, sonny. I am RETIRED from the US Navy. Probably before you were born! How about you?You’d P@@ your pants just at the thought of boot camp! Have you finished puberty yet? And what does that have to do with all of the ballot stuffing and ACORN? For the record, I vote the man-I’m not a one-issue troll like you! As a matter of fact, I am looking to go to work with the Comptroller of the state of NY-an old schoolmate of mine-and a Democrat-on Veterans/Military issues, because, he like I, is into service, and doing the right thing REGARDLESS of party. So, go play in traffic, or with yourself, and stop trying to be smart. You are too stupid to have an original thought and are wasting our time. Get LOST!

          330. Nathan says

            Hey Asshole, I am a veteran, United States Marine Corps. spent 32 months in the sand box. Your Muslim president is about as much for our veterans as he is for a strong case of herpes. We have threats allover the world right now and he is downsizing our military. I was in ramadi, took the city and he decided to give it back to the terrorists as was in the paper Less than a month ago. What did my brothers die for? If it wasn’t for you fucking liberals the war on terror would be over if we were allowed to do our job and eliminate every terrorist cell.

          331. Rick Rogers says

            Well I am going to take a guess and say you were in Iraq.. And if that’s the case then your Brothers DID die for something They died to make Haliburton a Billion dollar company. War on terror going after Bin Laden I have no problem with. Going after Saddam Because Cheney and Bush wanted access to Iraqi oil fields yes I have a problem with and don’t try and hand me the crap about WMD’s. What they had was left overs from the Iran Iraq war and were more dangerous to the people trying to use them then to the ones they wanted to use them on. And before you spout off more. Just know it has been well Documented from The Bush Administration’s own reports they were looking at Taking control of Iraqi oil fields 2 months after they came into office.

            The report is dated March 2001 6 months before 9/11. The report basically ask how quick Oil companies could get the Iraqi oil fields up and Running if they had access to them. You can also find the report on the Freedom of information request that the Washington Post Filed to get access to this report. So tell me .. Why would Cheney want a report about how long it would take to get those oil fields up and Running in a Sovereign Country??

            oh and one more thing. The US pulled out of Iraq because of and Agreement that BUSH signed with the Iraqi government. President Obama tried to extend it but the Iraqi’s insisted that any US Troops in Iraq would be subject to Iraq courts and Obama said no to that. But then I guess you would be ok with US troops being subject to a foreign country’s Court system. So before you spout off the Faux News lines how about doing some research.

          332. stephanie wilson says

            you are a God forsaking liar. shut up you pos

          333. Rick Rogers says

            Sorry there Stephanie sorry to bust your myth worship but eveything I said can be found in government records that can be accessed from the Privacy of your own Trailer.

          334. stephanie wilson says

            sorry pajamma boy, but it is you that are delusional.

          335. Rick Rogers says

            so your to lazy to do your own Research.. Thats what I thought. .Just waddle back to your back bedroom in the Trailer and put on Fox news to make yourself fell better

          336. stephanie wilson says

            i know the truth. i don’t have to research anything, you ignorant fool. stay off the leftwing propaganda.

          337. Rick Rogers says

            I don’t feel like getting into a battle of wits with someone that is so Clearly unarmed. I would wish you a good life but What I really wish is you get everything you deserve if the Republicans every win and election and you try and collect your social Security

          338. stephanie wilson says

            you are clearly unarmed. get some brains please.

          339. rosemarienoa says

            Impossible Stephanie…..liberals are born with part of their brains missing !!! It’s a birth defect, among other things !!!

          340. Rick Rogers says

            Sorry there Stephanie but I have been you 6 ways from Sunday because you have not presented one Fact one bit of proof to back up your Claims.. You like the Female Archie Bunker. By the way just wanted to let you know over on the Facebook Group Conservatives Conserve Nothing (CNN) where i have been reposting your comments your a big hit, All of them are asking if a clown like you really exist.

          341. Bud says

            On this subject it would be you who is unarmed. Republicans have won a number of presidential elections in my lifetime, and Democrats always trot out the lie that Republicans want to “take away your Social Security!” It has not happened, and no Republican has ever proposed that it should happen. You sound like the global warming hysterics whose predictions in past years would have Manhattan under five feet of water by now.

          342. Rick Rogers says

            So Bud… Let me make sure I follow you.. If I can say 1000 dollars a month in Social Security that I have paid into all my working life.. and then I hear a Republican Say that we have to increase the retirement age that your are eligible to start getting your share of what you paid into what your saying is that is not taking away my Social Security.. When Paul Ryan’s Budget shows Cuts in Social Security do you mean in the unlikely chance that budget would pass he is going to stand up and say JUST KIDDING?

          343. Rick Rogers says

            My friends over at Americans Against the Tea Party put it best when they said, “What does it say about a movement whose brightest “stars” are the dimmest bulbs?” It says, laugh at them, pity them, but if you want to live in a modern nation of laws which evolves with the rest of the globe, for Heaven’s sake, DON’T look to them for ideas on how to operate a functioning society, since the only thing conservatives have been successful at is proving that everything they stand for is wrong.

            Let’s imagine this scenario: You have an uncle… a loud, opinionated, uncle who’s thinly veiled racism and misogyny is only superseded by his not-so-thinly veiled hatred of gays. He says he’s a Christian, but never misses the opportunity to cheer for war and bloviate proudly about how merciless he is. He fights anything that has a hint of challenging his perceived position in the straight/white/male catbird seat, even if that seat came from the fact that the Liberals he hates fought for the Social Security, Medicare, etc. that allows him to live in dignity. He regales you with factually incorrect tales of American history, despite having never read a book in his life. He disdains “intellectuals,” and perceives science as a “liberal plot.” For as far back as you remember – and as far back as the family tree goes – he has been wrong about everything.

            You must tolerate him because, after all, he’s family. But you certainly don’t follow his advice, and you certainly don’t look to him to shape government policy.

            But in the United States today, as normal people (non-conservatives) try to undo the damage from conservative destruction and try and create a society that works for all, we are continuously met with the same old stories of the impending doom that awaits if we dare stop following CONS to hell. This opposition at every turn weaves the old, familiar tales of the American landscape being littered with gulags and mass graves from government death panels if we… say… dare offer health care as a right like the rest of the civilized world. We hear Paul Ryan tickle the oversized-amygdala (fear center) in the conservative brain, as he paints a picture of millions of lazy bums swinging in the cushy hammock of our social safety net which isn’t so cushy. We’re warned that rich people will stop trickling all those fabulous jobs on us if they are forced to contribute to the society that gave them so much.

            These are nothing but bald-faced lies from bald-faced liars who have ALWAYS been on the wrong side of history.

            – See more at:

          344. Rick Rogers says

            ITs amazing that a Foreign Owned News Company can fool so many Views and make them believe their lies. Oh well its like Mark Twain said:

          345. stephanie wilson says

            it is you that have been fooled. sorry.

          346. Nathan says

            Hey stupid, it happens on both sides, but has occurred more during the last two elections cause people who know nothing about government, and have never voted in their lives decided they wanted Obama in office at any all costs. Unfortunately it doesn’t really matter cause our votes as the people don’t count. They mean nothing

          347. Rick Rogers says

            Hey pea Brain guess what.. IT does not matter a Tinkers damn if they have voted before. Every citizen who has reached the age of 18 is entitled to their vote whither you agree with it or not. And those that Voted for Obama could just as well been voting Against the GOP as they were voting for the President. I tell you know if in 2008 the GOP had put Collin Powell on the top of their ticket I would have seriously considered voting for him instead of a one term Senator. But what made up my mind was McCain’s Age and the Interviews and Debate performance of the person he was willing to put a heart beat from the Oval Office. When someone can’t quote “What they have read” that was all I needed to hear.

          348. Rick Rogers says

            This is the Republican Playbook on Voters laid out plan and simple.

          349. disqus_MZe2ymfHQj says

            Rick Rogers it’s not he that votes that puts someone in office, it’s he that counts the votes

          350. Mark says

            Or intentionally-miscounts them. I was following the election results on the web, and it seemed like every time Romney was about to win, a flood of Obama Centric votes came in. So I’m convinced that the election was rigged. Any questions?

          351. Wild_Bill_vintage_1948 says

            How did Max Cleland lose his senate seat? Rigged voting machines. His Republican opponent said Cleland was not patriotic enough????? Cleland is a genuine disabled American veteran in spades. Exit polls indicated that he won, but it’s not who votes, it’s who counts the votes.
            Actually, “both” parties are guilty, but recently, it’s the Republicans more than the Democrats. The two biggest voting fraud machine companies were run by a couple of brothers, both Republicans. One of them resigned his job as CEO of the voting fraud company and ran for congress. He won in a landslide vote. Suddenly, all of the black voters in one district voted for him and they had never voted Republican.
            Normally, no matter which party is in power in a given area, they have purchased the voting machines which were easiest to rig. That always keeps the other side from winning.
            It’s about time we stopped attacking each other, though. The people who are really running the show donate money to rival candidates in both parties and then watch the fun. We have the best legislators money can buy and when you only need to bribe two people for every office, it’s a lot easier than paying voters ten dollars apiece to vote for your candidate.

          352. NavymanBill says

            Or, as the old saying goes “Vote early, vote often!”

          353. chief1937 says

            May I say they work too good when more votes are counted than there are voters in a precinct. Explain that one if you can logically.

          354. Rick Rogers says

            Sure as soon as you give me where this Mythical thing happen I would be happy to.

          355. OSAMA OBAMA says

            From your revered FACTCHECK…”Here’s what is true: In recent years, ACORN employees have been
            investigated multiple times for voter registration fraud. ACORN workers
            have been convicted of submitting false voter registration forms in
            Colorado Springs in 2005, Kansas City, Mo., in 2006 and King County, Wash., in 2007. ACORN’s Las Vegas office was raided
            by a state criminal investigator on Oct. 7, 2008. ACORN workers are
            also the subjects of ongoing investigations in Wisconsin, Missouri,
            Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana. The Indiana investigation started in early October and may involve thousands of fraudulent registration forms.” I say, TIP OF THE ICEBURG, Prick.

          356. Rick Rogers says

            Bull crap. I see you don’t mention the Recorded Voter fraud committed by Campaign workers that were on the GOP side. the Lady in Seattle That Decided it would be a good idea for her to “Fill in” the vote for ballots that the voter did not select. Or the Guy in Boston that decided he would send out Flyers with incorrect polling place information to Misdirect Minority Voters that would not vote “his Way” Voter Id’s would not fix any of those problems nor would the fact that the Son of a former GOP Presidential Candidate OWNS the largest Voter machine Company in the State of Ohio a Swing State.

          357. Rick Rogers says

            99% of those “investigations” were launched by GOP politicians that did not like that all those Minorities were Voting. Do you really want me to go back and pull up all the quotes of Republicans that reveal that the true purpose of Voter ID laws is to discourage People from voting that they don’t want voting. Just of the top of my head I can think of at least 4 quotes that made the news.

          358. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Show us (p)rick.

          359. Homer says

            Who gives a dang if “minorities” vote or not…. The dang ID is to Only allow a Legal resident of the US to make 1 vote!!!!

            If you don’t have an ID in these days you must never leave your house, not have a job, no bank account, no buying booze or smokes, no bank loans, no auto insurance, no car tag, no welfare, no DL to drive any car.
            No ID, but a passenger in a car being stopped by the cops sometimes also is Forced to prove who they are…..

            If your too lazy to have an ID then you make your bed and lay in it without voting since your not gonna go anyhow.

            Register everyone, give em an ID, doesn’t matter how rich or poor but Only allow our Citizens to vote and Only vote once!!!!!

            Poll worker admitted to voting for obama over 7times, she admitted it on TV and said she done nothing wrong…Surely you remember the black lady i`m speaking of… She like you is a servant to the left.

            1 vote per Legal Citizen.
            That`s exactly what the id is for…..

            The ONLY and i stress ONLY reason you dems fight against the voter ID is it will cut your voter base down a ton cause dead people can’t vote and nobody will be allowed to vote twice!

            edit, i was bored or i wouldn’t have even replied to a troll, doubt i`ll even look to see what your looney response will be so don’t get your feelings hurt when i don’t argue with you.

          360. Rick Rogers says

            Bull again.. There are plenty of Reason not to have an ID..About 2 years ago i was in an accident that immobilized my Left arm that means no more Driving while it was in the Brace During that time I was do to have my Licence renewed and when they saw the brace they said I had to take a Driving test or come back when I could actually drive. They said they would send me a Photo ID in the mail sometime in the Next 2 weeks. Which was one week before the Election. Thank god the stupid Voter ID laws had not been past yet or It would have been the first election I missed since 1976.. My aunt and Uncle both turned in their Licence when they got to old to drive. VOTER ID are voter Supression plan and simple.. Nothing more and it has been admitted by GOP figures a number of times.

          361. Michael Dennewitz says

            Dudette, yo mama have any kids that lived??

          362. Homer says

            I can think of 4 possible reasons that someone could go 6months and Not need an ID once.


            6feet under


            moved to another country.

            If you think that after your family turned their DL`s in that they never needed an id again its because they were in the short list i gave about or something very close….

            No booze without an ID
            No smokes without an ID
            No bank account without an ID
            No car loan without an ID
            No welfare check/food stamps without an ID
            No doctors visits without an ID
            No prescriptions filled without an ID
            No electric power service without an ID
            No cable/internet without an ID
            No unemployment without an ID
            No social security without an ID
            No airplane rides without an ID
            No getting married without an ID
            No renting a hotel without an ID
            No cold meds from many stores without an ID
            No spray type paint at many stores without an ID

            No moneygram type transfers without an ID

            No amusement park access without an ID

            No on the books job without an ID

            No credit card without an ID

            No bar/club without an ID

            No driving without an ID

            No public library card without an ID

            No donating blood or plasma without an ID

            Sometimes even a walk down a road at nite can get you harassed by a cop if you Don’t have an ID…

            In This country there is No reason anyone alive should not have some form of ID period!

            For you to argue otherwise just means your in favor of using the dead and alive for multiple votes/ cheating elections..

            When it happens against you will you still claim it don’t exist?

            Melowese Richardson sentencing, search it on youtube, she only voted like 6x and insisted she done No wrong and she Worked at an Ohio poll. she got 5 years for that you claim Don’t exist…

            Done with dinner now and also done with you..

            You should find a rock and crawl under it and stay there.

          363. Nathan says

            You need ad to vote. Period. If you can’t prove your a member of this country you have no say. You need to think of the country as a whole and not just your little situation with your id. You can always go to the local license bureau and get a temp id right away for 5 to 10 bucks and it with in an hour so there is no excuse

          364. Rick Rogers says

            Ok Nathan.. It is illegal to charge a fee for the Right to vote. Thats called a Poll tax and its been banned for about 100 years now. If I have to pay for a document to cast a vote that is a poll tax. So why not just issue everyone when they turn 18 a VOTER Card and that is their ID: I don’t have a problem with that at all. We already require all Males who turn 18 to register for Selective Service should not be so hard to include Females in that program and then issue them a card. As for older Adults if they have voted in previous election issue them a voter card as well. The problem is that the GOP will never go for it because they don’t want Large Voter Turn outs. They know they only win when their base and no one elses vote.

          365. Nathan says

            Are you that stupid. Having to get an id is not a poll tax. It’s confirmation of citizenship. If your so irresponsible to lose your id or something happens like a car accident or fire and its destroyed then you as a responsible citizen need to get a temp id. If you can’t understand the importance of only allowing citizens to vote then you need to leave my country.PERIOD.

          366. Rick Rogers says

            Are you that stupid you don’t understand that requiring people to purchase something to be able to vote qualifies that as a tax. Thats established Supreme Court Rulings all the way back to the 19th Century. I go along with you Voter id but only with the steps I mention before. Everyone gets a card when they turn 18 and are automatically registered to vote. anyone that has cast a ballot in the Last 4 elections gets a card as well. But that will never happen becasue the GOP does not WANT large number of people to vote. They can’t push what they are selling to large numbers. and they are doing a even better job this time of making sure no Latino Vote will come there way.

          367. Michael Dennewitz says


          368. Homer says

            Oh i know what the loser is, thx tho…

            Came in to eat and now heading back outside away from stupid people like him…

          369. Michael Dennewitz says

            WHAT A DILDO !!

          370. Rick Rogers says

            Yes Michael we know thats what your mother used because your father could not satisfy her.

          371. Michael Dennewitz says

            So tell me, before I finish blocking your miserable ass… Do dipshit trolls like you get paid much? Or are you a faggot, in which case, you’d fit right in, eh? Naaa, don’t bother dickweed, soon as this message is finished, YOUR SORRY TROLLING ASS IS BLOCKED! HAHAHAHA

          372. kotoc says

            Spoken like a true dickhead….

          373. Rick Rogers says

            If you can’t handle the like response to what someone says to me maybe you should not play with the Big boys there Kotoc

          374. kotoc says

            As you wish, Big boy…. I won’t waste my time with dickheads like you. I have BETTER things to do.

          375. NavymanBill says

            This guy drank the Kool-Aid a long time ago. He never HEARD of ACORN!! that’s just a Republican Rumor! We CAN’T PROVE IT! (sigh) The City of Chicago is the most upright and lawful metropolis in the US, except maybe for Detroit! (BWAAAAA HAAAA!) I’ve followed his threads. A troll. Either paid for by the Dems/Obama or frightfully naïve. Neither is good.

          376. Michael Dennewitz says

            Gotta be a dumbass, liberal, HNIC loving TROLL!!!

          377. brucethompson22 says

            Remember he’s one of those who bought into “If you like your Ins. you can keep it. If you like your Dr. you can keep him. You will pay for a family $2500.00 less for Ins.The attack on Benghazi was spontaneous over a video that was never seen there.Sign the Healthcare Bill and you can see what’s in it. Common Core is the greatest thing for schools. What else, you start adding some. He has spent too much time watching MSLSD AKA MSNBC Ed. Schultz, Chris Matthews amd those other lying a$$es.

          378. Michael Dennewitz says

            I gotta tell ya… He conned all those bros into voting for him, then, within months, he was even shoving it up their asses. Don’t use the phrase often, but like (p)Rick there, Dem turned out Ta be sum dumb niggahs, wouldn’t ya say?? HAHAHA

          379. Homer says

            Happened in Multiple states and was all over the News and internet back in 2012…. If you wasn’t over 100% blinded by the left and their lies you would already know it…

            1 state i`ll give you, if you truly want to hear about others do your own homework.

            Ga, near Atlanta

            Posted: Tuesday, Aug. 7, 2012

            Fulton election results show more than 100% turnout in 4 precincts………….

            In addition, four of Fulton County’s precincts had a voter turnout
            greater than 100 percent, including the one with a 3,300 percent

            “How does a precinct have a 154 percent turnout? Thirty-three hundred
            percent turnout. There’s a glitch somewhere,” Lankford said.

            Fulton County Board of Elections Chairman Rod Edmond said Monday night he is very confident in the results after Monday’s primary results certification.

            This 3300% turnout is insane, most of the counties/districts i read about only showed 108-115% turnout which is enough to say it`s obvious there is a problem with the current voting system getting Anything right!

            SAME goes for your other lie about the vote being switched….. That Also happened in several states (not just yours) and most of them would not disclose which side it flipped the vote to……

          380. Rick Rogers says

            Sorry but in case you mention have GOP members running the local show and you can always tell when a GOP politician is lying because his lips are moving.

          381. Michael Dennewitz says

            T R O L L – T R O L L – T R O L L – T R O L L – T R O L L

          382. Mark says

            That’s why I’ve created the following Common-sense, personal-responsibility Constitutional Amendment to address the problem:


            Section 1: In order to protect the identities of the natural-born and naturalized citizens against voter impersonators, who vote as dead persons, or as persons whose names have not been removed form the list of registered voters in all States, due to their moving form State to State, so that each person’s vote counts as one vote, when cast for the President, the Vice President, and representatives in Congress:

            a) All persons whose spouses have died, shall within 90 calendar days
            of their passing, inform the Secretary of State’s Office in their state of residence, of such persons death; so that the decedent’s name may be promptly-removed
            from the list of registered voters within that state. And where an unmarried person has died, a surviving parent, guardian, or sibling of such person shall inform Secretary of State of same, for the same reason as stated

            b) The deceedent’s survivor shall request a certified letter, to be recieved within 90calendar days of said action, informing them that the decedent’s name has been removed, as requested, from the list of registered voters within that State.

            c) All persons moving from one State to any other State, shall within
            90 calendar Days of moving, inform the Secretary of State of their previous State of residence that they have moved, so their names my be promptly-removed from the lists of registered voters within those States.

            As in Section 1 above, all persons requesting the removal of their names from the lists of Registered voters residing in all states in which they previously-resided, shall receive a certified letter from the Secretaries of State in the states in which they have previously-resided, within 90 days, informing
            them that their names have been removed from said lists, as requested.:

            Section 2: The right of citizens of the United States to protect their identities
            from being used by electronic voter-impersonators to cast fraudulent votes, using any technologies or other forms of early voting, so that their votes count as 1 vote when electing the President, Vice President, and Representatives in Congress, shall be protected, preserved, and defended by all Federal, State
            and local Officials at all times.

            a) Ballots published in non-English native and foreign languages
            are Prohibited Only English-language ballots shall be allowed.

            b) Motor-voter registration, where applicants for new driver’s license
            are automatically offered the opportunity to register to vote, is proscribed, in order to reduce the possibility of voter fraud.

            c) The use of Provisional Ballots, which allow voters to cast their
            votes days, weeks, and even months prior to an actual national election, provided they decide to vote for the same candidate on the national day of Election is Prohibited.

            Perhaps the States’ should convene their respective Constitutional Constitutional Conventions, their Legislatures should gather and ratify this Amendment IMMEDIATELY,, or at least it should become a Public law in each State, so that these forms of voter fraud is either greatly-reduced, or eliminated prior to the 2016 elections.

            Also, To Hell with those who fight the use of Photographic Voter Registration Cards. Each State need to Issue them,,so that everyone who is voting legally has the chance to have their vote counted as a single vote, as the Framers intended it to be.

            Here’s a combined amendment to protect the Vote, representing one proposed in “The Liberty amendments, Restoring the American Republic,” by Mark Levin,, and including some of my own Ideas:


            Section 1: The right of all natural-born and naturalized citizens of the
            United States of America who vote in any Federal, State, or Local elections to utilize photographic Voter identification documents, in order to protect their identities form being used to cast fraudulent votes, so that their vote counts as a single vote as the framers of the Constitution intended them to, shall not be abridged by Congress, The President, or the Court for any cause or

            Section 2 Citizens in every State, Territory and the District of Columbia
            shall produce valid photographic identification documents demonstrating evidence of their citizenship, issued by the Governor the state in which the voter resides,as a requirement for registering to vote in any primary, general, or recall election of for the President, Vice President, and members of Congress.

            Section 3: All persons residing in all precincts in said areas shall produce a valid photographic voter’s registration certificate,issued by the Department of Elections in the city in which they reside; which shall include their names, spelled in both Upper and Lowercase Letters, clearly identifying them as “natural Persons.” so they may exercise their Constitutional Right to Vote.*

            They shall receive said certificate upon either registering to vote, renewing, or applying for their driver’s license or State Identification Cards from the Secretary of State in the state in which they reside. And the license, certificate, and Identification Card shall be shown prior to voting in all national elections.*

            Section 4: Provisions shall be made by the state legislatures to provide such citizenship-designated photographic Identification documents at no cost to individuals unable to afford the fees associated with acquiring such documents.*

            Section 5: Where registration and/or voting is not in person but by mail,
            citizens must submit an approved citizen-designated photo identification and other reliable information to state election officials to register to vote and request ballots for voting; no later than forty-five calendar days before the primary or general election for President,Vice president, or members of Congress

            Registration forms and ballots must be returned and signed by the voter, and must either be mailed or hand-delivered by the voter to state election officials .if delivered by a third party, the voter must provide written authorization for the person making the delivery, and the third-party must sign a statement certifying that he did not unduly influenced the voter’s decision.”

            * My additions.

          383. Michael Dennewitz says

            Now, that dumbass comment had to have come from a dumbocrat!!

          384. OSAMA OBAMA says

            Hi Prick, er, Rick. Back to troll the site? What do you call the ACORN actions? Or you twats wanting to dis-allow voter I.D.? SO THOSE 10 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIEN VOTERS CAN VOTE.! It’s is the height idiocy to think we are that stupid.

          385. Rick Rogers says

            No just think YOUR that stupid.

          386. OSAMA OBAMA says

            have been convicted of submitting false voter registration forms.

          387. Michael Dennewitz says

            And you’d be the turd to believe toads can fly. You know damned well that this last election was BS. Millions of people voting 4,5,6 times. Dead people voting numerous times. You just come back from a moon flight dude? VOTING is totally CORRUPT in this country, and George Soros is behind most of the corruption.. Drink another one, eh??

          388. Rick Rogers says

            As BULLSHIT as a certain Governor of a Southern State Making sure that his Brother “wins” the vote in his State

          389. Michael Dennewitz says

            T. R. O. L. L. !

          390. Mark Lahti says

            Michael did you not catch on to what Ricky just did? He pulls the same liberal lying BS they always pull. Every instance he mentioned above was proven to be democrats not republicans. He turned every single one of them around and got it all bass akwards. Besides, we’ve had this discussion before about Ricky. He is truly a liberal troll with nothing but false accusations and misinformation just to stir people up for his own amusement. I was a poll observer for the last two presidential elections. I personally witnessed many instances of voter fraud. I say at least four 9 to 11 passenger vans with out of state (Illinois) plates bringing a full load of people into the polling place and directing them to the same day registration table. They all pulled out some paper in an attempt to identify themselves as living in that precinct. It was usually a utility bill or something equally, supposedly legal. They then registered and following that moved to the voting process and voted in that precinct. Then they all boarded the van and was promptly driven to another polling location and followed the same process. And on and on it went all day. Again, I personally witnessed this. I reported it to everyone who would listen and even though I was assured that some action would be taken…….nothing did happen about it. When the same thing happened four years later at the next election and I got the same results is I when I quit helping out. I learned that the election process is corrupt and that there is nothing anyone can do about it. Now that we have voter ID required here in WI I would think that that problem no longer exists. Unfortunately I have no faith in that. I believe as others above have said that the election process is a sham and that we will get whatever is ordained to happen. Not what we actually voted to happen.

          391. Remmie says

            If it worked the mathematically impossible poll results 140% of registered voters in a precint would not happen. And don’t say post a link because you are too lazy to use google.

          392. Nathan says

            I even looked it up for him and posted it. He is too idiotic to understand it. Prob didn’t even read it cause he doesn’t want to believe it. That’s what makes him stupid

          393. Remmie says

            Trying to make a kool aid drinker with cranial-rectal inversion see facts is an exercise in futility.

          394. Rick Rogers says

            Remmie in any discussion the Burden of Proof is the one making the Statement. I don’t need to waste my time Researching your statement because YOU ARE to Lazy to Prove it.

          395. Remmie says

            Not my problem that you continue cranial-rectal inversion. Keep on believing in unicorns rainbows and trusting the government and watching MSNBC. Liberals always disregard facts anyway.

          396. Rick Rogers says

            You would not know a Fact if it slapped you in the face

          397. Remmie says

            Sure I do. I know it is a fact that arguing with a paid liberal troll who is too lazy to spend 30 seconds with google is an exercise in futility. And that is a FACT!!!!

          398. Rick Rogers says

            sorry I thought you understood in this country that when you make a claim the burden of Proof is on you to prove it… So that proves your the one that is to lazy and uncaring to back up your statements with PROOF.. I am not going to do your job for you.

          399. Remmie says

            Since when???? I kinda thought you were one of those politically correct “gimmiedats” afraid what you might find if you did your own research. As far as proving assertions that is the most ludicrous thing I have heard. You will hear progressives claim that illrgal immigration is good for the country but you will never hear one back up their claim with hard data. And I ain’t politically correct which is a communist mind control thing coined by your hero Mao. Tired of playing with you troll. And for God’s sake, get one of your kindergarten classmates to teach you how to use Google.

          400. Rick Rogers says

            Only one Paying me is the customers I sell too online and the Products I offer. Oh by the way did I tell you about the leather bound Copies of the Constitution and Bill of Rights i sold online at TEA PARTY Sites for a Huge mark up and then gave most of the Profit to a Democrat that was running (and Won office)

          401. Remmie says

            Enjoying all the benefits granted by the Constitution and selling it out every chance you get tells me all I need to know about your moral character.(or lack thereof)

          402. Rick Rogers says

            And you not having the courage to post your real name to stand up for what your saying tells me all I need to know about your Moral Character (or lack thereof)

          403. Remmie says

            Very few LEO’s , active or retired will ever post their real names or have listed telephone numbers. Just an ingrained habit. I am retired now with multiple health conditions that the VA tells me are the result of exposure to uncle sugars favorite herbicide. Heart trouble,diabetes, deteriorating liver and pancreas function and skin lesions. I have lived all my life by an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, and I never recanted that oath. So when I see some scumbag bragging about ripping people off by selling over priced copies of that document you can not imagine the contempt I feel for you. And bragging about supporting the communist ant-American demorat party. What I see is a traitorous piece of excrement. If you were dying of thirst I would not give you the perspiration off my scrotum. And while you are supporting the communist party how about looking around the world and deciding which communist country you would like to live in. Because by supporting Demorats you are bringing it here. But liberals never can stomach facts or the truth.

          404. Rick Rogers says

            Really and here I thought you were all for Capitalism.. Which is what me selling Copies of a book I bought for a Nice Profit and then make my choice as a small business owner to use the money how I saw fit.. Talk out of both sides of your mouth MUCH?? or maybe what pisses you off is you were one of the people I sold the book to? ha ha ha ha

          405. Rick Rogers says

            Please I am curious explain to me how I am selling it out when I stand behind everyone practicing their free speech. Their freedom of religion (or in some cases their Freedom to be free of Religion. How am I selling it when I see people trying to deprave people of their rights to live their Life as they choose when it hurts no one else. oh and the free speech as much as I dislike it also applies to you no matter that you stand up and Yell at the top of your lungs everything that I see wrong with this country.

          406. Remmie says

            And yet you brag about making money in the capitalist fashion and using it to promote a demonrat. Failure to do due diligence is one of the things I mean. Have you ever looked up how many openly communist politicians we have that have a “D” after their name? Probably not. By failing to do due diligence you are being self destructive. You think you could engage in commerce when enough communists get in Congress to institute full blown communism? And have you ever read the Communist plan for taking over America that was printed in the 60’s or 70’s? I forget exactly when, getting old isn’t good for memory. And the steps such as destroying morality that have already been accomplished. Did you know that the ACLU was started by Communists? Keep failing to understand who and what you are voting for, self destruction becomes you. Ain’t gonna matter much to me according to the doctors. Oh,by the way , have you ever served your country or have you always been a self serving liberal?

          407. Rick Rogers says


            First things first. Yes I served in the military both overseas and in the states in the 1980’s.

            I don’t know how much you have read beyond the Myth that ACLU was founded by Communist but maybe you should read about the Founders. If your going to make a claim like that you need to understand how uninformed it sounds to people that know the history of the ACLU.

            Among those Founders was the person Douglas Macarthur invited to Japan to help after the War.

            The person that drafted the first workers compensation law.

            A person that when to court fighting a state that refused to seat legally elected members of the State House.

            A person that served on a Presidents Committee on Civil rights.

            A person so famous She has appeared on a US Postage stamp, A US Coin, was awarded the Medal of Freedom and has her statue in the National Statuary hall Collection in the U.S. Capitol.

            A person that won The Nobel Peace Prize and nominated Theodore Roosevelt For President at a national convention.

            A SUPREME COURT Justice who was awarded the Medal of Freedom.

            Roger Nash Baldwin: Baldwin made a theoretical Statement about Communism before he saw it up close and Personal then Condemned it in 1927 and In the 1940s, He led the campaign to purge the ACLU of Communist Party members. In 1947, General Douglas MacArthur invited him to Japan to foster the growth of civil liberties in that country. In Japan, he founded the Japan Civil Liberties Union, and the Japanese government awarded him the Order of the Rising Sun. In 1948, Germany and Austria invited him for similar purposes.

            Crystal Catherine Eastman was an American Lawyer, Antimilitarist and Feminist She is best remembered as a leader in the fight for women’s suffrage. Her report, Work Accidents and the Law (1910), became a classic and resulted in the first workers’ compensation law, which she drafted while serving on a New York state commission. When the United States entered World War I, Eastman organized with Roger Baldwin and Norman Thomas the National Civil Liberties Bureau to protect conscientious objectors, or in her words: “To maintain something over here that will be worth coming back to when the weary war is over.”

            Walter Nelles In 1920, Nelles served on the defense team of the five Socialist members of the New York State Assembly who were denied the right to assume the seats to which they had been legally elected by the Republican Speaker of the House Thaddeus C. Sweet, working in concert with members of both the Republican and Democratic Parties.

            Morris Leopold Ernst : In 1933, on behalf of Random House, he successfully defended James Joyce’s novel Ulysses against obscenity charges, leading to its distribution in the U.S under freedom of the Press. Ernst was a strong supporter of J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI. In 1940, as head of the ACLU, he agreed to bar communists from employment there and even discouraged their membership, basing his position on a distinction between the rights of the individual and the rights of groups. In 1946, President Harry Truman appointed him to the President’s Committee on Civil Rights.

            Albert DeSilver: DeSilver graduated from Yale in 1910, where he was a member of Skull and Bones, and then earned a law degree at Columbia Law School (1913) (editor Columbia Law Review). Though he was being groomed for a place in New York’s legal establishment, he resigned his law practice in 1918 to become one of the founding members of the National Civil Liberties Bureau (later known as the American Civil Liberties Union) in order to devote himself full-time to defending conscientious objectors, other citizens, and immigrants against unconstitutional persecution under new laws such as the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918. During World War I, DeSilver used his own war bonds to post bail for defendants in free speech cases.

            Arthur Garfield Hays: Hays was active in civil liberties issues and in 1920 was hired as general counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. From this point, his career had two tracks: he vigorously defended the individual liberty of victims of discriminatory laws, but he also kept private work. He became a wealthy lawyer who represented the interests of power and fame (his more prominent clients ranged from Wall Street brokers and best-selling authors to notorious gamblers and the Dionne quintuplets.) Hays took part in numerous notable cases, including the Scopes trial (often called the “monkey trial”) in 1925, in which a school teacher in Tennessee was tried for teaching evolution; the Sacco and Vanzetti case, in which two Italian anarchists in Boston were convicted and executed in 1927 for a murder they denied committing; and the Scottsboro case, in which eight black men from Alabama were convicted and sentenced to death in 1931 for allegedly attacking two white women. Hays attended the Reichstag trial in Berlin on behalf of Georgi Dimitrov, a Bulgarian Communist accused by the Nazis in 1933 of burning the Reichstag.

            In 1937, Hays was appointed to lead an independent investigation with a group (called the Hays Commission) to study an incident in which 18 people were killed and more than 200 wounded in Ponce, Puerto Rico when police opened fire on them. They had gathered for a parade for which the permits had been withdrawn at the last minute. His commission concluded the police had behaved as a mob and committed a massacre.

            Helen Adams Keller: She was Awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom By President Johnson in 1964, In 1965 she was elected to the National Women’s Hall of Fame at the New York World’s Fair. In 2003, Alabama honored its native daughter on its state quarter.The Alabama state quarter is the only circulating US coin to feature braille. On October 7, 2009, a bronze statue of Helen Keller was added to the National Statuary Hall Collection. The statue is the first one of a person with a disability and of a child to be permanently displayed at the U.S. Capitol.

            Jane Addams; In 1912, she helped start the new Progressive Party with and supported the presidential campaign of Theodore Roosevelt. In 1931 she became the first American woman to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and is recognized as the founder of the social work profession in the United States. Addams is honored in the’Famous Americans Series’, postal Issues of 1940 by the US Post Office.

            Felix Frankfurter: Frankfurter was a jurist, who served as an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court.Frankfurter served on the Supreme Court for 23 years, and was a noted advocate of judicial restraint in the judgments of the Court. He was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1963.

            Elizabeth Gurley Flynn: this was the ONLY Founder of the ACLU that was a member of the Communist Party and Her membership in the Party led to her ouster from the board of the ACLU in 1940.

          408. Nathan says

            Ignorance was displayed by liberals like yourself who don’t actually do any research about any topic in this country. Your blind to the situation at hand here in America and believe everything stated by liberal media. I can’t say the right has never done it either, but the politics have come to nothing more than a sport for politicians on winning. Nothing is being done for the good of the American people regardless of your vote. Or votes mean nothing. Big business, rich individuals, run the show.

          409. Rick Rogers says

            1. if voting means nothing then please do us a favor and stay home on 2nd Tuesday in November in 2016.
            2. How can you say what you say and then support a party who’s favor past time is cutting taxes on Companies and the rich so the tax Burden falls on You and me?

          410. ttoe says

            It DOES WORK YOU FOOL!!!

            The Democrats try and fraud the voting process, probably mostly by using illegals to vote under stolen identities.

            However, the more people who vote, the less capable they are in defrauding the process.

            You can only stuff the ballot box so much before it becomes obvious, or before someone catches on and reports it.

            Democrats have been pushing more and more, which is why they keep getting caught with the idiosyncrasies every election cycle.

            But the more people vote, the less their fraud makes a difference.

            If you stay home on election day because you’ve decided that the voting process doesn’t work, then you’re part of the problem because that means some illegal using your name can be voting for you. It also means that that’s another fraud vote that you didn’t cancel out with your legitimate vote.

            it also means that you’re not making them work that much harder to defraud the voting process.

            With how Democrats defraud the voting system, when you don’t vote, it’s literally the same as voting for the Democrat.

          411. Remmie says

            I have been voting. But when I see the new black panthers intimidating people outside the polling stations and our nations “top cop” refusing to indict I think my votes are cancelled out. When I see every vote for Osama in 14 precints,which is a statistical impossibility, I think they are stuffing more than I can counter. .When I see whole districts where Ron Paul won in Ohio but when the result get to the state headquarters he did not win any, I think the voting is rigged. When I see no penalties for getting caught in voter fraud, I have to believe it is because they WANT to rig the elections. And saying more people need to vote is not going to solve the problem. Keeping boxes of uncounted fraudulent ballots in the trunk and turning in just enough to win will trump more people voting every time.

          412. Remmie says

            It is pretty obvious you are a paid troll when you start off calling names. Typical left wing tactics. I hope you are well paid so the left can waste their money on useless trolling nobody believes.

          413. Bud says

            It doesn’t. Too many people are permitted to vote for a living.

        2. Mark says

          I believe the People are becoming far wiser than the UnAmerican, Unfaithful, un trustworthy politicos.. Maybe it’;s time for the States to succeed from the Federal Government, and to restore the Constitutional Republic that the Framers originally-created.

          The one in which We the people fear the Wrath of God, and our elected and appointed officials do as well

          1. kotoc says

            Amen, Mark…. I couldn’t have said it better!!!!!! :^)

          2. Michael Dennewitz says

            YOU GO MARK!!!!

          3. Nathan says

            I agree, if only general Lee didn’t surrender

      2. Tasine says

        I doubt the job will be over before I die. I fully expect to die under an oppressive government.

      3. Robert Wilson says

        DUH! do you think the RINOs just MIGHT get the message by then?

      4. Rick Rogers says

        Yea your going to have to do something about all those Tea Baggers that are in the Republican Party and are RINOs

    2. Sue says

      The ACLU is a Zionist organization just as all the alphabet organizations – IRS, CIA, NSA, FBI, IMF, TC, UN, etc.

      There is nothing in the People’s Constitution that gives the government the right to create those unnessary alphabet organizations. The people of this country have the right to abolish all those illegal organizations.

    3. Robert Wilson says

      Should the ACLU be challenged in court for not following the original charter they could loose their non profit status, also the federal grants that support them. As for Hillary, REVOLT, REVOLT, REVOLT!

    4. Bob Ware says

      Another blog site did a story in which an attorney stated he has successfully obtained a Court Date in Florida for Hilary Clinton based upon the federal RICO charges. Her trial date is set for January 2016. Makes my day!

    5. ttoe says

      Unless there is a radical reversal in what the Democrats and many rhinos have done, then it’s inevitable that our end will come soon, probably within our parent’s lifetimes.

      This nation became free because of a radical reversal of what England had progressed into, an oppressive Monarchy, i.e. how we largely regard dictatorships today.

    6. ricktenny says

      dude, the aclu attorneys are the other side of govt. And then there’s us. Back when I was a youngster introducing myself to the jungles of South Viet Nam 1965-66, a high school chum went to law school. When I got home my chum stopped by one evening to say hi and announces he had just joined the aclu. Like we were to dumb to understand he says, you know the American civil liberties union. My fine old mother, (a newspaper editor), come off the sofa, got in his face and said, I know who they are, I just never thought you were stupid enough to join such an awful group. Before I die (she passed September 2001.) that bunch of two faced sons of bitches will be the ruination of our country. I just don’t believe you are still standing here, I won’t have any stupid sons of bitches in my home! Never saw him again. Mom lived long enough to watch her prediction come to pass. She wrote against them for thirty years after that. I learned form her about the aclu and their end game and it has all unfolded just like she called it.
      A lot of our polititions are Political Science Majors. More than I care to acknowledge come from Law School. Most of them were aclu members before they got a paycheck. Like my father used to tell me when Mom was on a tear, just grab your ass with both hands and hang on, she’ll slow down soon enough. That’s my advice now.

    7. fearlessolotraveler says

      Dude: It sounds like you already know that “Defending the Bill of Rights” is a clever, insidious “cover” and deception to protect the predetermined goal of the ACLU. On March 10, 2014, I read an informative article with glaring headlines from a supposedly patriotic website exposing the “true intentions” of the ACLU. As I read the commentary, I was only “slightly” surprised to
      learn the ACTUAL MOTIVE of the ACLU considering the countless news articles/items I’ve read the past fifty years where the ACLU was “publicly” and legally resisting civil liberty infractions
      of the American people while “privately” subverting the very foundations of our freedoms!

      And the title of that glaring article? ACLU: COMMUNISM IS THE GOAL. For your interest and information, go to the link below for the article which confirmed my suspicions for decades concerning the *double-speak (aka: Lies) facade used successfully by the ACLU to propagandize and psychologically disarm America’s “Majority!”

      “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its GOVERNMENT!”
      ~Thomas Paine, Revolutionist and Founding Father.

  4. Ars Forall says

    The American Criminal Liberty Union is always been a liberal crooked organization hiding behind the fact they supported and fight to defend all liberties. ALL B.S.!!!

    1. MAHB001 says

      They are socialists bent on the destruction of America.

      From the Agenda list in the book, “The Naked Communist.”

      16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

  5. Warpaint says

    Commie bastards, light in the loafer lawyers….

    1. Michael Dennewitz says

      You expected anything different from a country that slaughtered your people ???

      1. Warpaint says

        One could only hope that intellegence could take over for a change, but naaaa

        1. Michael Dennewitz says

          No my friend, money is what has replaced honor in this country! The true inhabitants of this country were the only ones who knew the real meaning of HONOR ! That’s why most of them were eliminated. EVIL was planned years and years ago, beginning with the very first bastard to step foot onto sacred land!!!

      2. hangem'high says

        Slaughter, Legal abortion also backed by our supreme justices.

  6. robb1952 says

    This is just another arm of Satan used to deceive, confuse, and corrupt the masses. Folks, we shouldn’t be too surprised by this announcement. The aclu has been like this for many, many years. This is a group that should have been closed down years ago. This antichrist liberal union is one of the many voices speaking out for an evil and wicked society. So, is this another ‘victory’ for the forces of evil? Maybe, but it will be short lived and in the end will be judged by Almighty God and the forces of evil will lose an eternal quest. Satan’s trickery is leading many, many poor, blind souls straight to the pits of hell! It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God!

  7. SouthernPatriot says

    The ACLU is a fraud. Their name should be American Communist Lesbian Union. They are leftist and defend perverts.

    The ACLU will not defend religious freedom and constitutional (First Amendment) guarantees.

    The ACLU will not defend freedom to own and use arms (Second Amendment) guarantees.

    What good are they? If they can’t defend First Amendment guarantees and Second Amendment they have stumbled on the first and second steps of our U.S. Constitution and have fallen and have not defended civil liberties.

    1. EMIRCITNA says

      THEY DO ‘just enough good’ to bring in the $$$$$$$$ from gullible Americans who actually know nothing about them or even try to find out!

  8. Royal S Brown says

    The ACLU has always been nothing more than a front to push the communism agenda.Look at their history of who the people behind it are. I used to surport them till around 18 years ago I did a lot of research on them . I found a lot , that shows the money trail.

    1. EMIRCITNA says

      IT’S AMAZING that so many Americans financially support this Commie-front organization simply because of their NAME …..without knowing anything about them but the organization’s ads!!!!

      1. jimwilson81 says

        They are not American, Civil, Libertarian or a Union. Just like Planned Parenthood.

      2. Michael Dennewitz says

        ACLU…..African Clown Left Unguatded…. 🙂

        1. EMIRCITNA says

          Active Communists Lurking Underground!!!

          1. Michael Dennewitz says

            LOL. I like yours better….

  9. EMIRCITNA says

    OF COURSE the ‘ACLU’ will not defend religious freedoms simply because they are a…..COMMUNIST FRONT ORGANIZATION!!!!!

  10. James Andrews says

    They won’t help defend gun rights either. Nothing new here; they are a leftist based organization!

  11. Concerned Citizen says

    No surprise since the “C” actually stands for criminal [ie the anti-american criminal liberties union].

  12. allen goldberg says

    The ACLU has never been unbiased. It is a liberal tool. Period. This is just more proof.

  13. JIMBO says

    I have never believed that the ACLU was ever anything but a liberal organization. They have never fought for religious freedoms. They had no problem what so ever defending atheist view points and now they are publicly announcing that they will now take on religions cases. The only change between then and now is that they are finally admitting that they could care less about our religious freedoms. Perhaps they also need to change there charter,

  14. rog363 says

    “The first thing we do,” said the character in Shakespeare’s Henry VI, is “kill all the lawyers.”

  15. randi says

    During the 70s when I first heard about ACLU I then thought they will be a problem and boy was I right.

    1. 1American1st says

      Yep, they tried to trick us with their name back then, when in actuality they are the most Un-American parasites ever IMO.

      Have you ever seen the list of people & companies who financially support them? Google it. It will make you sick. And NBC has a problem with Trump? WTH?

  16. Peatro Giorgio says

    The ACLU ! Is not as it Proclaims itself to be. They are not a civil liberties union they are rather an insurrectionist organisation. Hell bent on perverting Civil Rights .Hence the very reason I have elected to not contribute to their agenda . Much Like the Southern Poverty Law center they also have become the terrorist, For neither organization represents Civil liberties, civil rights for all People .Just those they deem are in agreement with their beliefs. The pity is Both had served a needed purpose ,But both have outlive their usefulness, while becoming the extremist they once railed against. Frankly they both have greatly diminished the reverence we all once held for them. Both are now irrelevant.

  17. MILES E DRAKE says

    The ACLU grew out of the Communist and Socialist parties, and has had close ties with the National Lawyers Guild and other communist fronts, as well as black militants, chicano radicals and the various organizations supporting different forms of perversity. There is no doubt that most of its activists and supporters are as committed to dialectical materialism and atheism as Marx, Lenin and Stalin, and think the ideas of these three are in general pretty good. State religious freedom legislation, nullification and if necessary secession and partition and not lawsuits by aging hippies and pipe-smoking professors are the answer to the regime’s plan to marginalize and then criminalize Christianity.

    1. jimwilson81 says

      It will not be the first time a country tries to suppress Christianity nor will it be the last .

      1. hangem'high says

        As long as Christians are not willing to stand up for their religious freedoms they will go the way of the rainbow.

      2. Cindy Garcia says

        What can’t you do today that you could in the past? There should NEVER have been required prayer in the schools like in NY prior to Engel v. Vitale, 1962.

        1. David C Kelder says

          Example: Christian students have been forbidden to hold prayer meetings before classes start even when there is no school official involved. Tere are more examples.

          1. Cindy Garcia says

            Yes, David, but generally a misunderstanding by school officials. But using PA systems for prayers should not be permitted. And, the school cannot sponsor the prayer.

        2. Michael Dennewitz says

          Ahhhh , now she sounds like a true atheist!! HA!

        3. chief1937 says

          Not enough space on this blog to answer that question. Besides even if listed you would probably deny the facts unless you are under 20 years old.

  18. jim_wright says

    The real difference is that the Christians won’t behead anyone when their civil rights are threatened and the Muslims will.

    1. Michael Dennewitz says

      The Christian populace doesn’t believe in raping little children as young as 4 or 5 either, but the sick bastard mooselums do!!

  19. William Fisher says

    The ACLU was started in 1920 by four communists. What on earth do you expect? Most commies are atheists who don’t give a whit about religious freedom.

  20. jimwilson81 says

    St Augustin said, “Love the sinner, hate the sin.” Now we can’t nor allowed to do that according to the ACLU.

  21. SaneZidane says

    So…the ACLU has always stood for, American Communist Leaning Union from the beginning. Religion to them is fair game to debase. They may change their minds if our Catholic political leader Francis insists on distancing himself from the spiritual trappings of leadership he was elected to do as Pope Francis and leave politics to the corrupt by concerning himself with saving lost souls being his #1 priority.

  22. Richard says

    If this article it true than the ACLU will act like the NAACP….one sided I can live with that knowing where they stand. I am suing a company here in OKC who refuses to wait on heterosexual ‘s. Its a shop that only caters to the LG community and is known for their LG stance.

    As a White, straight, Male who spent 27 years in the Military you cannot refuse me service based on my military time (they refused to sew on a flight patch from an old squadron since she said we don’t support the military and what it stands for.) Saw a lawyer and filed a suit.

    Discrimination legal battles work both ways.

    1. Michael Dennewitz says


      1. hangem'high says

        I’m sure it’ll get to the supreme justices who will take long recesses and interpret it as, no discrimination because straight military guys can’t be discriminated against!

    2. 1American1st says

      Right! We need to fight fire with fire. Christians & Conservatives have stood idely by, letting Liberals sue us for everything. I hope you win!

    3. Warpaint says

      Thank you for your service, now sue their skinny jean wearin’ asses!

    4. hangem'high says

      Don’t bet on it!

    5. Nathan says

      I would normally agree with that cause I don’t believe in discrimination, but I don’t believe it’s right according to my religion to be gay and I wouldn’t want to make some rainbow shirt if I owned a tshirt shop and would turn then down before I violated my religion. In your case as a vet, which I am as well, USMC, I would have said that’s fine I served so you can have your freedom of beliefs.

  23. Michael Dennewitz says

    There you have it folks.. Money talks, bullshit walks. And plenty of people lately (blacks mostly) have dumped tons of money into the organization. Slowly, but surely, America sells itself to the highest bidder!! GOD HELP US !!

  24. MAHB001 says

    “The ACLU Will Not Defend Religious Freedom.”
    No sheait Sherlock…

  25. 1American1st says


    What’s the difference between the little old Christian lady who refuses to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding and the ACLU refusing to represent Christians?

    Wasn’t the Liberal argument against the businesses who refused to participate in homosexual weddings is that a business MUST NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANYONE? Wasn’t their argument that if you are a business that you have to serve anyone & everyone? Does that only apply to Christians?

    Sounds like a good Supreme Court case…Oh wait! We already know that 2 of the Supreme Court Jesters only “decide” cases based on their own personal Liberal bias.

  26. Laddyboy says

    It is time to remove all support from an organization that will not defend ALL individuals of ALL beliefs. They, by their own admission, have become a hand for propaganda of the DemocRATic Peoples’ Party.

  27. Rock J. Dueck says

    As usual, the ACLU only defends “liberty” as it is defined by the ALCU.

    1. Cindy Garcia says

      Mandatory school prayer was a violation of liberty. How come you clowns don’t get that?

  28. susanwho says

    Now what do you think will happen when a gay person asks a Muslim to bake them a wedding cake?

    1. Laddyboy says

      You mean the white man who asked them to bake a cake for a homo wedding and the muslim cake bakers refused and told the white man to go to another store!!!!!!!! Nothing happened to the muslim cake shop!!!!!!!!!

      1. susanwho says

        My point exactly!!

      2. Morton212 says

        Stop making things up.

        1. Laddyboy says

          You do not read much, do you!!!!!!!

          1. Morton212 says

            You do know that it was a fraud don’t you – a home movie made by a guy who sold it to right wing publications.

      3. Morton212 says

        That pod was a fraud – a setup that an idiot could see through.

  29. new york says

    Also, remember that, back in the 70’s, the ALCU defended the right of neo-Nazis to march in Skokie, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago which was 90 per cent Jewish — and where a number of Holocaust survivors lived.

  30. Irene Elizabeth Grooms says

    May we put in for President in 2016 someone who loves or COUNTRY AND OUR GOD AMEN

    1. Michael Dennewitz says

      You’re dreaming, my dear.. NO PERSON will become a politician without first assessing how much money will be involved.. SAD BUT PROVEN TRUE..

      1. Irene Elizabeth Grooms says

        I can dream can’t i but wish that could be so.

  31. Gerry Costa says

    ” esteem organization ” my azz. They are nothing more than libtard demoRATS who go against the American people and our Constitution. They are worse than these anti-American politicians we are cursed with.

  32. Morton212 says

    I have no doubt that the ACLU would defend religious liberty if it were being over-ridden. But we all know that it is not. This anger from the religious right is based upon the obstacles mandated by the Constitution that is preventing them from invading the secular nature of our political system.

    Religious freedom does NOT include invoking religious rules in a hospital that receives public funding, or installing religious artifacts or regulations in a publicly funded environment, o one owned by the State, or calling a bakery a Church. These all boil down to use of the Second amendment as a disguise for overt discrimination.

    And then there is the absurd and fraudulent idea that marriage has been co-opted by the LGBT lobby. It has not. Religious marriage is a completely separate issue that has NOTHING to do with gay marriage. Gay marriage is concerned precisely and only with secular marriage – a legal contract witnessed by the State – and which is the grounds for the settlement of custody, taxation and inheritance issues.

    1. kapockz says

      Gay “marriage” never existed. It is a delusion created by a psychological disorder in people who are physically attracted to people of their own sex. These people are called homosexuals. Ironically, they believe that their physical contact is “having sex” when in reality their physical relations are asexual, not sexual.

  33. Tasine says

    And who ever thought they would?!

  34. Michael Dennewitz says

    One day…… One day, we will all hear a roar of thunder from the heavens, and when we look upwards, that great spirit will be standing there and chastising us with, “It all started when you invaded this country and killed off innocent natives. What did you expect?”

    1. Morton212 says

      Hmm – do you really think that God has the face of a Red Indian ?

  35. Morton212 says

    Now lets look at this logic.

    1. MAHB001 says

      I say, let them have their Unions.
      They deserve all the protections that mans laws can provide.

  36. Remmie says

    What do you expect from a left wing communist backed organization. Put them on the list of enemies of the Constitution.

  37. Ken V says

    If the ACLU and the NAACP is allowed to exist, then bring back the KKK . It’s less of a radical organization than the other two.

  38. Michael Dennewitz says

    Heyyyy. My spam filter tells me QUEER MORTON is back.. HAHAHAHA

  39. DonnaM says

    Stop trying to shove your warped interpretation of your “holy book” down my throat. It doesn’t even say in that archaic, barbaric fictional novel that same sexes can not marry. That is your interpretation, not everyone’s and why you think we all have to follow your made up rules is beyond me. Nowhere in the bible does it say it is a sin to feed a gay person. You just want the government to make it legal for you to treat your fellow human beings badly. You religious zealots believe that you have the upper hand because your views are some how divinely sanctioned. Nope. If you can’t find it in your hearts (or in that stupid book) to be kind then we will make it illegal for you to be cruel.

    1. Michael Dennewitz says


      1. Morton212 says

        I would not describe the bible quite like that. That is very insensitive.

      2. MAHB001 says

        I see pasty boy has taken up tanning tips from Rachel Dolezal.

        1. Michael Dennewitz says

          HAHA. It worked. I don’t have read (p)rick’s ramblings now. All goes to a special spam “troll” file. heeheehee

    2. kapockz says

      The “holy book” is very clear about homosexuality to anyone with a clear mind.

      1. Edasich says

        The holy book is not American law.

        1. kapockz says

          What is better in “American law” than in the Bible?

          1. Morton212 says

            American law is the law that you must observe. Religious law you observe at your discretion – bearing in mind that if it contravenes secular law you might be sued, or end up in prison.

          2. kapockz says

            I must observe God’s laws also. American law says that I have freedom to observe the laws of my religion without interference from the American government.

          3. Morton212 says

            Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.
            That includes the law of the land.
            Only then do you have religious freedom.
            The Constitution guarantees not to harass or interfere with your religious beliefs providing you uphold the law of the land FIRST.

          4. kapockz says

            Where did you read the false “FIRST” edict that you are quoting?

          5. Morton212 says

            Matthew 22:21

          6. kapockz says

            The American Constitution and Matthew 22:21 do not say what is “FIRST.” Therefore, your intent is to deceive people on this thread.

          7. Morton212 says

            No, it is you that is using the word ‘first’ not me. I am trying to fool no-one. Besides which both the constitution and the bible are freely available; what I have to say is my opinion.

          8. kapockz says

            You are obfuscating the issue again. You used the word “FIRST” first. What comment was your opinion? (The Bible is written with a capital “B.”) There was no “FIRST” stipulated in either the Bible or the Constitution.

          9. Morton212 says

            Lets be clear. The US is first a nation than operates with laws. These laws are specifically required to be secular in nature. The Federal laws trump State’s laws. All US laws trump religious laws.

            To have it any other way is patently absurd. Then it would be possible for a new weird religion to evolve and try to get away with actions that violated US law.

          10. kapockz says

            Now you are debating with yourself in an attempt to supersede the previous debate which you lost. All civilized nations must have laws. Who “specifically” required that the laws must be “secular?” Where does the Constitution say that t