Avoiding Civilian Casualties? We’re Causing Them

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Every military commander in the Obama administration will tell you a version of the same thing: If we wanted to destroy ISIS tomorrow, we could do it. There are really only two things standing in our way: Our fear of losing American soldiers and our fear of causing mass civilian casualties. No one wants a repeat of Iraq, and no one wants to inflame Middle Eastern unrest by bombing thousands of civilians. ISIS takes full advantage of this latter concern, intentionally placing their headquarters in heavily-populated areas that discourage airstrikes.

As sensible and shared as our concerns might be when it comes to limiting the deaths of innocent bystanders, the fact is that civilians are paying the price for our inaction. The death toll in Syria and Iraq is astonishing, but that’s only part of the problem. The other part – the part found in Orlando, Brussels, Paris, San Bernardino, Istanbul, and Nice, to name a few recent examples – is unfolding in our major world cities on a biweekly basis.

In an interview with Sean Hannity last week, Newt Gingrich stirred up controversy by calling for all American Muslims to submit to a test: Disavow Sharia Law and radical Islam or be deported. This drew the usual round of condemnation from the usual sources, but the underlying point – that we’re not doing all we can to stop terrorism – should not be missed.

“I am sick and tired of being told the wealthiest, most powerful civilization in history is helpless in the face of a group of medieval barbarians who, for example, recently burned 20 young women to death because they wouldn’t have sex with them,” said Gingrich. “This is the fault of Western elites who lack the guts to do what is right, to do what is necessary, and to tell us the truth, and that starts with Barack Obama.”

War is not pretty, but we’re engaged in war whether we like it or not. We’re not waiting to be attacked; we have been attacked repeatedly. Our vengeance is mild; we have successfully kept ISIS – the army itself – trapped in certain parts of Syria and Iraq, but we have not come close to destroying the organization as a whole. As a philosophical movement, the Islamic State has its tentacles spread more widely than ever. They may never achieve their Middle Eastern Islamic caliphate, but their threat has hardly been diminished.

If we want to stop that threat, we’re going to have to get our hands dirty. We’re going to have to accept that innocent lives will be lost.

Because that’s going to be the case either way.

301 Comments
  1. gotabgood says

    Avoiding Civilian Casualties? We’re Causing Them
    Yeah, I know Trump would wipe out ISIS and not have one civilian casualty….

    1. MAHB001 says

      0bama’s early withdrawal caused a lot more casualties than all other actions combined.

      1. gotabgood says

        What any of the Republicans blaming Obama for pulling American troops out of Iraq in 2011 should remember, is that in October 2008 George W. Bush was president when the Status of Forces Agreement was drafted and ratified by Iraqi lawmakers a month later in November 2008. The pertinent part of the agreement that President Obama honored was that, “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.”

        1. BT says

          That agreement was based upon the then current situation on the ground and the anticipated progress to take place between then and Dec. 2011. It’s a contract. The agreement could have (and should have) been extended, by agreement, when the time was drawing near based upon a reassessment of progress in Iraq. However, the Obama administration had made it so clear that they wanted to get out from ’09 on, so that the Iraqi leaders had no trust in the U.S. to actually stay and help. They began angling to get closer to Iran, thus making it impossible to please the U.S. and Iran at the same time. It was always clear to them that Obama was unreliable.

          The date stated in the status of forces agreement has always been Obama’s first excuse for the pull-out. It is not a valid excuse, but what does O care about that?

          1. gotabgood says

            You cannot have an agreement without 2 or more agreeing…
            So there is more than one person involved here.

          2. BT says

            Of course. No one is saying otherwise. I just said, in essence, that Obama was looking for the excuse not to negotiate in good faith because he wanted the U.S. to cut and run.

          3. gotabgood says

            LESSON IN HISTORY 101
            (TAKES TWO TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT)

            In one of his final acts in office, President Bush in December of 2008 had signed a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with the Iraqi government that set the clock ticking on ending the war he’d launched in March of 2003. The SOFA provided a legal basis for the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq after the United Nations Security Council mandate for the occupation mission expired at the end of 2008. But it required that all U.S. forces be gone from Iraq by January 1, 2012, unless the Iraqi government was willing to negotiate a new agreement that would extend their mandate. And as Middle East historian Juan Cole has noted, “Bush had to sign what the [Iraqi] parliament gave him or face the prospect that U.S. troops would have to leave by 31 December, 2008, something that would have been interpreted as a defeat… Bush and his generals clearly expected, however, that over time Washington would be able to wriggle out of the treaty and would find a way to keep a division or so in Iraq past that deadline.”
            But ending the U.S. troop presence in Iraq was an overwhelmingly popular demand among Iraqis, and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki appears to have been unwilling to take the political risk of extending it. While he was inclined to see a small number of American soldiers stay behind to continue mentoring Iraqi forces, the likes of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, on whose support Maliki’s ruling coalition depends, were having none of it. Even the Obama Administration’s plan to keep some 3,000 trainers behind failed because the Iraqis were unwilling to grant them the legal immunity from local prosecution that is common to SOF agreements in most countries where U.S. forces are based.

          4. BT says

            OK. That’s clear. Thanks. BT

          5. gotabgood says

            mmmm thank you… that was totally unexpected…
            Nice to have a civil responds and accepted what I posted.

        2. MAHB001 says

          I know with the zero in the white house, it is always Bush’s fault….

          0bama blames all his incompetence on Bush.. Problem is We the People see right through that crap now.

          0bama was president, 0bama made his own conscience decision to end the war, against all his military and political advisors…

          EVERY person on EARTH knew what would happen when 0bama did his little premature pull out….

          1. gotabgood says

            “EVERY person on EARTH knew what would happen when 0bama did his little premature pull out….” (You mean EVERY RIGHTWINGER… and they were also very wrong!!!!
            LESSON IN HISTORY 101
            In one of his final acts in office, President Bush in December of 2008 had signed a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with the Iraqi government that set the clock ticking on ending the war he’d launched in March of 2003. The SOFA provided a legal basis for the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq after the United Nations Security Council mandate for the occupation mission expired at the end of 2008. But it required that all U.S. forces be gone from Iraq by January 1, 2012, unless the Iraqi government was willing to negotiate a new agreement that would extend their mandate. And as Middle East historian Juan Cole has noted, “Bush had to sign what the [Iraqi] parliament gave him or face the prospect that U.S. troops would have to leave by 31 December, 2008, something that would have been interpreted as a defeat… Bush and his generals clearly expected, however, that over time Washington would be able to wriggle out of the treaty and would find a way to keep a division or so in Iraq past that deadline.”

            But ending the U.S. troop presence in Iraq was an overwhelmingly popular demand among Iraqis, and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki appears to have been unwilling to take the political risk of extending it. While he was inclined to see a small number of American soldiers stay behind to continue mentoring Iraqi forces, the likes of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, on whose support Maliki’s ruling coalition depends, were having none of it. Even the Obama Administration’s plan to keep some 3,000 trainers behind failed because the Iraqis were unwilling to grant them the legal immunity from local prosecution that is common to SOF agreements in most countries where U.S. forces are based.

          2. MAHB001 says

            I knew trolls like you would key off of that statement.

            What you are saying is that 0bama was not a strong enough leader to change what Bush had done… Every other SOFA agreement was modified when the time came, based on the data available at the time….

            I say BS, 0bama changed what he wanted to… Zero didn’t want the war, so 0bama turned his back on all those people, and the blood is on 0bama’s hands.

            So your choice is 0bama is a Bush puppet butt rag, or 0bama was a man and made his own decisions……. Butt rag it is….

          3. gotabgood says

            Do you read much?? Do you understand what you read??
            lil’ bush HAD to cut a deal to stop it looking like a defeat!
            Obama tried to leave some troops there.. Iraq was having nothing to do with it.
            Basically they said…. “GET OUT!”

          4. MAHB001 says

            Do you understand anything….

            0bama could have re-negotiated the deal… 0bama chose NOT to.

            0bama caused the rise of ISIS, and the deaths of thousands, despite the recommendations of ALL 0bamas military advisors, and the FORMER President of the United States.

            0bama chose to FAIL in Iraq, 0bama and you try to blame your incompetence on Bush…

            Every person on EARTH knew what would happen if 0bama prematurely pulled out of Iraq….

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ukJlcpqEY

          5. gotabgood says

            well he should have been able to predict the start of the war in Iraq… Oh wait he did!!

            “From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go,” says O’Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic “A” 10 days after the inauguration – eight months before Sept. 11.
            “From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime,” says Suskind. “Day one, these things were laid and sealed.”
            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-sought-way-to-invade-iraq/
            >
            Just 15 days after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, President George W. Bush invited his defense secretary, Donald H. Rumsfeld, to meet with him alone in the Oval Office. According to Mr. Rumsfeld’s new memoir, the president leaned back in his leather chair and ordered a review and revision of war plans — but not for Afghanistan, where the Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington had been planned and where American retaliation was imminent.
            “He asked that I take a look at the shape of our military plans on Iraq,” Mr. Rumsfeld writes.
            “Two weeks after the worst terrorist attack in our nation’s history, those of us in the Department of Defense were fully occupied,” Mr. Rumsfeld recalls. But the president insisted on new military plans for Iraq, Mr. Rumsfeld writes. “He wanted the options to be ‘creative.’ ”
            When the option of attacking Iraq in post-9/11 military action was raised first during a Camp David meeting on Sept. 15, 2001, Mr. Bush said Afghanistan would be the target. But Mr. Rumsfeld’s recollection in the memoir, “Known and Unknown,” to be published Tuesday, shows that even then Mr. Bush was focused as well on Iraq.
            http://whowhatwhy.org/2011/02/06/bush-rumsfeld-and-iraq-is-the-real-reason-for-the-invasion-finally-emerging/

          6. MAHB001 says

            Was Bush right about an early withdrawal? YES
            Were the Generals right? Yes

            Do you always throw our red herrings when you lose an argument?

            0bama’s incompetence caused the rise of ISIS and the loss of thousands of lives. The blood of Iraq is on 0bama….

          7. gotabgood says

            I don’t get you…. lil’ bush was right, but Obama was wrong, even though the leaders of Iraq said to get out..
            You copy your father..
            ISIS was a product from rejecting the Iraq army to taking out Hussein, basically from invading Iraq to begin with.. what Saddam kept in check, bush set free..

            http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881

          8. MAHB001 says

            You can spin anything you want, it does not change the facts… I never said, Bush was right, I did say 0bama was wrong…

            At this point what difference does it matter if Bush was right or wrong? 0bama was handed a situation that was under control and in a better place. 0bama bungled it, and made it worse…

            ISIS was borne from the failures of 0bama and Clinton.

            Do you really think Unions are FREE anymore? Forced to join, forced to pay dues, forced to comply to Union Masters….. I would say Reagan was talking out of one side and you being the divisive person that you are is twisting words again.

          9. gotabgood says

            “At this point what difference does it matter if Bush was right or wrong? 0bama was handed a situation that was under control and in a better place. 0bama bungled it, and made it worse…”
            The deal was made under lil’ bush. The Iraqi people and the leaders said GET OUT! Obama wanted to leave 3,000 for training purposes… they said GET OUT! So it is Obama’s fault for the escape lil’ bush laid out for himself, to save face and not have to use the word DEFEAT.. and all that is thrown on Obama’s shoulders!!!???
            In your blame game you jumped over a president between Clinton and Obama and HE is the guy! But if you want to look at the creator Al Qaeda AND Bin Laden, you left one very important person out… Ronald Reagan!!

            Lest we forget, the CIA gave birth to Osama Bin Laden and breastfed his organization during the 1980′s.
            http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/19/how-the-us-helped-create-al-qaeda-and-isis/

            Unions have never been free. At the start, (well, still fight), the corporations fought with blood, sweat and tears.. lives were lost, mobs started.. all because the corporations would not pay a fair days wage and improve working conditions. After the unions were formed, they selected leaders and they done a good job…. THEY MADE AMERICA GREAT!!!!!! powerful, strong, and financially secure. And then along came Reagan.. opened the avenue to destroy the unions. I was part of that whole scheme. I was a union member and the company owner came out with his lies dripping off his chin… saying we get rid of union, all benefits would remain and wages would too. In a month we lost the benefits and he did tell the truth about wages.. we kept the same wage for 10 years And we started working Saturdays.. SAME PAY!!!!! more hours for the same wage..

          10. MAHB001 says

            0bama chose not to negotiate.
            0bama CHOSE to leave Iraq.
            0bama KNEW 3,000 was not enough and that a number that low would get him thrown out…
            0bama calculated that We the People would be stupid enough to believe his excuses and lies…

            (Only people like you are that stupid and foolish to buy into 0bama’s lies and deceptions.)

            Bush WAS better for the people and the Military. Romney would have been better, a ROCK would have been better than the liars that the Democrats keep ordaining.

            Your Unions are no longer fighting Big Businesses and Governments for the people, they are now a part of big Business and Big Government..

            Big Government = Socialism/Communism… Really just Communism.

            For the last 8 years under 0bama the Communist, the only people getting wage increases are Union Bosses, School Teachers (Actually Unions), Politicians, Government Workers that are retiring to cushy pensions, and Hillary, who made about 1.2 Billion or more selling Government favors….

            And you want Communism??? You are a Fool.

          11. gotabgood says

            Where do you come up with this bullshit????? Do you “hear” it someplace? Read it someplace?
            Once again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            But ending the U.S. troop presence in Iraq was an overwhelmingly popular demand among Iraqis, and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki appears to have been unwilling to take the political risk of extending it.

            (Only people like you are that stupid and foolish to buy into 0bama’s lies and deceptions.)
            You are the stupid one.. maybe you cannot understand what you read?

            “Bush WAS better for the people and the Military.”
            You must be close to the height of your stupidity!!!
            Losing 800,000 jobs per month is good for America?? No wonder you’re a rightwinger! You can’t be born that stupid.. you have to practice at it. And bush was good for the military!! Yeah for the people that make war machines like Halibrand… mmmm Halibrand where has that name come up before… ahhhh yes cheney was CEO there!!!!! And look up “Operation Helmet” to see how good bush was for the military.. while at it. look up living conditions, showers mainly and armor for the vehicles… I wonder how man legs were lost just in improper equipment??

            “Big Government Corporation = Socialism Capitalism/Communism… Really just Communism.

            The last 8 years of Obama represents 8 years of hate, filibusters, blocked votes, blocked appointees, voting no.. EVEN ON 8 VET JOB BILLS!!!
            And you want to talk about money from government…
            Watch “Iraq for Sale”
            Here I went to the trouble of getting the website for you… it is free… then lets talk about money being made…
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q8y-4nZP6o

          12. MAHB001 says

            Bush ruled under the laws of Capitalism….
            Democrats rule under the lawlessness of Communism..

            The People (All of them) are always better off under Capitalism than Communism…

            Crony Capitalism = Crony Socialism = Communism…. It really is quite simple.

            Communists must unjustly vilify capitalism to fool the people into thinking Capitalism is bad for them.. When in FACT, The United States Constitution was designed with Judaeo Christian Values, and supports CAPITALISM, Individual Freedom, and all men created and treated equally…. Not like the Communist rule where Hillary is above the law…

            So the Previous 8 years was full of hate, filibuster, blocked votes by the Democrats… HAS ANYTHING CHANGED?

            Elite Democrats = Elite Republicans = Elite MEDIA = Communists…

            Again, has anything changed?

          13. gotabgood says

            “Bush ruled under the laws of Capitalism….(unregulated capitalism = communism)
            Democrats rule under the lawlessness of Communism Socialism/regulated capitalism.. “

            Even by your wildest imagination Socialism IS NOT what you make it out to be… it is the working together for the common good of all, which is not exactly the same as communism where you work for the common good of the state…. or in unregulated capitalism… you work for the common good of the corporation… to the worker it is all the same.. work for corporate or state it all boils down to communism.

            “So the Previous 8 years was full of hate, filibuster, blocked votes by the Democrats… HAS ANYTHING CHANGED?” Of course not! You have control of house and senate, if anything the last 4 years have been worse… as in the constitution says the President shall appoint the supreme court justice… unless rightwingers are in control… then it is ok if THEY shit all over the constitution.

            “Elite Democrats = Elite Republicans = Elite MEDIA = Communists…”
            No comment.

          14. MAHB001 says

            Socialism is NOT attainable in this world. It does not exist.. Haven’t you gotten the memo?

            What you call Socialism I would call Heaven. A perfect world that will not exist until EVIL is removed from the face of the Earth… What are you doing to remove EVIL from Earth???

            Do you think calling the lawlessness that Hillary represents, good will do it??

            You should know that you are being used by Communist to argue for Socialism that you will NEVER attain… The COMMUNIST KNOW that Socialism always falls to Communism…..

            Nothing has changed, the Stalin’s of the world (Hillary) are still using the Socialists as useful idiots.

            Wake up, get educated. I know your conditioning tells you not to believe a word I said, but believing that unregulated Capitalism is communism is just plain stupid…

            In Communism the State controls the means of production… In other words, the STATE (Big Government) REGULATES the means of production (Big Business.)

            Just close your eyes, and don’t consider the source of this information, just consider the information….

          15. gotabgood says

            Let me put it this way.. you do not seem to understand what I am saying.
            FIRST… If socialism doesn’t exist… stop calling certain people on the left as socialist… and meaning it as something demeaning.
            Second. What we had… actually before Nixon was a perfect (as perfect as humans can make it) mixture of socialism and REGULATED capitalism. Nixon took a chunk out of of healthcare system.
            Then Reagan with the 42% tax cut and the DEregulation of the banks and corporations.
            Things have gone downhill ever since.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qpLVTbVHnU

          16. MAHB001 says

            I think we can both agree that socialism as a form of Government does not exist and the reason why is because people in general are greedy, think about themselves first, and then about the community. Those greedy people like Hillary and 0bama will not provide pure Socialism, only a Communist style Government.

            Socialists as a people do exist, and the greedy, think about themselves people take advantage of them, over and over again… To us on the outside, socialists seem foolish, uneducated, and dangerous. They would throw away their freedoms for the “promise” of their utopia… If it were just their freedoms they were throwing away it would be one thing, but it is EVERYBODY’s freedoms they must throw away… The worst part is historically Socialists throw away our freedoms to evil people like Stalin, Lenin, and Hillary.

            Stalin, Lenin, and Hillary are Communists… If the Socialists do not want to be treated like Communists, they need to not associate with Communists…

          17. gotabgood says

            By your own words…. “I think we can both agree that socialism as a form of Government does not exist and the reason why is because people in general are greedy,”
            And that is where capitalism comes in for the greedy… the more regulations you cut the richer they become.

          18. MAHB001 says

            They only get rich by satisfying others needs.

            Fulfilling others needs is not a bad thing.

            Getting rich is not a bad thing.

          19. gotabgood says

            Not true.. well entirely.. the way they got rich during the past 30 years is stealing from the workers.
            First you have to remember if the consumer doesn’t have money, your products will not get sold, they don’t get sold, you lay off workers which then compounds the problem… consumer FIRST!
            Second you have a puppet is office that gives you a 42% tax cut and the workers have to make that up. Third you deregulate the banks and corporations. So now your greed comes in and at the next union renewal, you will say no to their demands and threaten to move out if you strike. Forth you undercut unions, make them less powerful, then you get your puppeteers working in congress to eat away at labor laws and collective bargaining rights. Fifth you down play unions and lie about what an advantage RTW is over unions AND that is the true legacy of Reagan..

          20. MAHB001 says

            Why do you go to such great lengths to blame Republicans?

            Have you ever asked yourself that question?

          21. gotabgood says

            Sure I have. Not all things done by the Democrats I approve of and on the flip side of the coin, there are a few things I agree with on the Republican side. Not many. For the most part they are puppets and told what to say. A very good example is the past 8 years of Obama. Did you know that ObamaCare, or ACA was originated in the Heritage Foundation? Did you also know that Romney put the same program into affect in Massachusetts? And if all states would have jumped on board, it would have been a tremendous savings for all and a ton less confusion. and the Koch brothers would have even saved money…… they would have hired actors to play a negative part.
            For one, I think voter ID is a good idea, but not for the reasons you think… voter fraud is one of your many made up scandals! But one better than the ID card, which might go hand in hand with the Oregon’s plan.. automatic voter registration.. problem solved!
            The planned parenthood videos.. even after they arrested and convicted the people that doctored up the films, you and that HP reject, running for president still doubled down on it.
            Same with ACORN, you made phony videos, they arrested the guy, but to this day. you say ACORN was crooked even after proven innocent.
            You do not like the truth.
            You claim you are the religious party and the family value party only to be taken down by your own screw ups which there are many!! You call us heathens and devil worshipers.. and you do the same things as we do… only we don’t say how very righteous we are and we will lead the way in getting Jesus back in our nation… give it a break… you are sinners trying to justify your evil ways by pointing the finger at us.
            Since 2000 you people have slipped over the edge and out of sight. Trump is a prime example… he lies and displays his lie for all to see… Hillary voted for the Iraq war.. she is bad and don’t know how to lead a country.. Pence voted for the Iraq war…. Oh, that’s ok, he is entitled to make a mistake… WE WERE ALL LIED TO BY THE WHOLE DAMN BUSH ADMINISTRATION!!!! There is your treason… go hang THEM! We would be in this middle east crap today if bush hadn’t want to get Saddam for wanting to kill his daddy… well if his daddy would stayed home, he wouldn’t have been in danger. (which he wasn’t anyway) Kuwait was all about oil.. nothing more!
            You gerrymander the voting districts so you can stay in power… the list is so very very long.
            This what you do to our voting rights… not counting the made up 30,000 dead registered voters..
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta0W8_qn0Aw

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

          22. MAHB001 says

            I find your logic very confusing. You go to such great lengths to draw lines that vilify Capitalism when the obvious villain is the collusion of those in power. I believe that is the ideological subversion training you are a victim of. You have been convinced to draw lines only towards Capitalism, and not listen to a thing a conservative says…

            The villains are the Politicians that create nothing yet control both the means of production (Big Business) and the people.

            For instance, your prior statement, the one that starts out with “Not True” shows that your knee jerk reaction is to disagree with me, then you say “Entirely” and you go on to describe the villains that got rich as “They.”

            THE ONLY PEOPLE GETTING REALLY RICH IN THE LAST 30 YEARS IS THE GOVERNMENT!.

            I would say the reason is because in the last 30 years, little chunks of communism have been slowly injected into Americas Capitalism… Unions, Politicians, Big Business, collude in controlling the labor force, laws, Taxes, and with the EPA, our natural resources…

            Who loses? the middle class.

            Our tax codes are purposefully complicated so that Politicians and their friends can HIDE how much they really pay. Bush gave a tax cut across the board for EVERYBODY and you hear that Bush lowered the taxes for the wealthy… 0bama raises the taxes on EVERYBODY, and you hear that 0bama is increasing the taxes on ONLY the wealthy…

            It is OUR money not theirs…. Start from there. It is YOUR work that produces wealth, not they opportunity they give you… Start from there.

          23. gotabgood says

            THE ONLY PEOPLE GETTING REALLY RICH IN THE LAST 30 YEARS IS THE GOVERNMENT!. Is that why out credit rating was lowered, as Mr. Cruz and Mr. Lee cost the government 10 billion dollars?
            Maybe people IN the government get rich but that is only because of their sponsorship… you know like NASCAR drivers.
            Their sponsors pay them to make laws like Citizens United so they can be heard ($$$$), stop green energy got to keep drilling… closing up national parks because there might be oil there, or open mining up/
            As it is right NOW. Our Government is run by billionaires.. I won’t name names if you don’t!
            Government itself is a non-profit organization. It is only when things get privatized , (capitalism) is there a profit to worry about.

          24. MAHB001 says

            OK, I thought I didn’t have to say this but.

            The only people that are getting ruch in the last 30 years is the PEOPLE IN THE government….

            You can put every insurance company sticker on 0bama… Reids fat ass isn’t big enough for all the stickers he owes his wealth to..

            Elite Democrats = Elite Republicans = Elite MEDIA = Communists.

          25. gotabgood says

            I am not denying that people in the government aren’t taking money…
            BUT it is the top 1% that is getting 95% of the pie.. They are raking in billions of dollars and since it is impossible to spend it all… it goes in off shore bank accounts and not paying a nickles worth of taxes on it.
            http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/07/23/super-rich-hide-21-trillion-offshore-study-says/#3294d8fa73d3

          26. MAHB001 says

            Hillary is in the 1%, 0bama is in that 1%. What have they produced?

            You blame someone like Zuckerberg, or Bionce for producing products yet can not see the difference between fleecing the public and actually making something that benefits the public.

          27. gotabgood says

            “They only get rich by satisfying others needs.”
            I totally agree with you, before Nixon/Reagan.
            After those two.. the rich got rich by taking away from the middle class.
            Getting right is great as long as you are not doing it by the sweat shop mentality.
            No comment on your socialist ideas… been down that road… it seems to never end with you.

          28. MAHB001 says

            Again, the Government has had a steady movement towards communism….. Unions, Politicians, Big Government is the problem, not the solution.

            I can see that given the same set of facts, you will blame capitalism, I will blame Communism…. And the only people that benefit from a divided union is the Communists in charge.

          29. gotabgood says

            You are holding communism up like it is the originator of evil… maybe so… but there is another economy system just as bad. You do not know the difference between regulated capitalism and unregulated capitalism.
            What we had BEFORE Reagan was regulated capitalism to get tax cuts they had to invest in their company someway. they could not pick up and move at a moments notice.
            UNREGULATED capitalism is no laws, no rules, no governing factors at all. The CEO makes up the pay, the hours, days off if any.. in better words that you understand…… communism!!!! And you’re right since Reagan we have been heading towards communism.. benefits going away, lower wages, longer hours..

          30. MAHB001 says

            I think you split these hairs because you have been sold on a red herring. If you think Dod/Frank was deregulation you are wrong… It was thousands and thousands of pages of regulations forcing businesses to do things the way the Government wanted them done.

            Regulated Capitalism IS communism… As our Government grows it grows towards communism with more and more regulations…

            Unregulated Capitalism happens every day at a swap meet across this great country… Two people make a deal, both end up happy with what they wanted.

            In unregulated Capitalism the CEO would have to negotiate an adequate wage for the workers that he wants. The workers do not have to accept what the CEO offers, they can find other work..

            It is when the Government gets involved when people are forced to do things against their own will… Like Union dues.

          31. gotabgood says

            “In unregulated Capitalism the CEO would have to negotiate an adequate wage for the workers that he wants. The workers do not have to accept what the CEO offers, they can find other work..”
            WHERE?????? Especially in a red state. You do not know what unregulated means!!! There are no rules that the CEO has to follow… NONE!!!!!!
            I have brought China up before, they have two systems there.. communism and unregulated capitalism. If you didn’t like your wage.. where would the worker go? THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!!! The sweat shop days… no need to quit one place to go to work in another place… different company same working conditions and same pay NO DIFFERENCE!!!!
            The sweat shop days are a good example of unregulated capitalism at its finest!!

          32. MAHB001 says

            Do you live in the real world?
            Is everything that happens to you someone elses fault?

            In China, they do not have two systems… They have ONE system above all, Communism…. Everything they do is to protect the ruling structure first..

            The system of Government in China is in no way unregulated.

          33. gotabgood says

            You are waaay too easy to show how very stupid you really are.
            >
            The Five Most Capitalist Countries in The World
            http://blog.peerform.com/the-five-most-capitalistic-countries-in-the-world/
            >
            The Chinese economy has not been run on strictly Communist principles for some time. Up to about the 1990s, just about everything that could be used for production – land and industry, were directly owned by the state.
            That changed in the 1990s largely due to the influence of Hong Kong and Macao, which had to be integrated into China in the late 1990s. Hong Kong particularly had a thriving capitalist economy and even a stock exchange.
            https://www.quora.com/How-is-China-a-communist-country-with-many-billionaires
            >
            China’s Economy Dances Between Communism and Capitalism
            https://mic.com/articles/7356/china-s-economy-dances-between-communism-and-capitalism#.w0RlbLrdW
            >
            Privatisation in China
            Capitalism confined
            http://www.economist.com/node/21528262
            >
            Just like in America, WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN UNDER TWO SYSTEMS!!
            Socialism and “REGULATED” Capitalism!!!!

          34. MAHB001 says

            You post lies, which shows just how stupid and gullible you are.

            The Chinese Government rules putting the party above all others, including the economy. The Chinese Government has an “handshake Agreement” with its people in that if the people submit to a single party rule, the Government in turn will create an environment of which the people will be better off than the year before.

            BUT at the TOP, If the Chinese Government has a choice that would hurt the Government or hurt the people, they will hurt the people over the party. It is PARTY first… a ONE party system, above all the party.

          35. gotabgood says

            I gave you 3 references, non of them are left wing… If you are capable reading, it even TOLD you how it came about, first through Hong Kong.
            You are pathetic. all you do is argue ANY DAMN REFERENCE POINT I GIVE YOU!! and come back with made up bullshit.

            You have done to me what George Carlin warned me about…..
            You win!!!!

          36. MAHB001 says

            I told you how it is according to a Admiral that happened to be negotiating for the Pacific fleet.

            You gave me three articles written by ???, which BTW actually support what the Admiral said, and you think you won some kind of argument???

            You are correct about one thing, never argue with an idiot. The problem is you are so stupid you can’t even recognize you are an idiot.

            The Chinese Government has some real issues ahead of them. The Government has been limiting the peoples access to the outside world and with the inclusion of Hong Kong, the people are starting to see EXACTLY how the rest of the world lives.

            I guess even in China, people do not like to be deceived and lied to.

            The Government can’t continue their charade for long the way information flows these days.. I suspect that we are in for some more Tienanmen Square type crack downs by the Government soon.

            As I said, in China, the Government and strict adherence to the party comes first.

          37. gotabgood says

            Your Unions are no longer fighting Big Businesses and Governments for the people, they are now a part of big Business and Big Government..
            Part of what you say is true, they have become a big business and never were part of government, just like NRA is not part of government or ALEC.
            The main difference between them and other businesses are they fight for the middle class worker.. wages, working conditions, and benefits. NO other business does that… all they think about is how to cut workers benefits and/or wages so I CAN MAKE MORE MONEY!!! 300 times employee wages is not enough!!!

          38. MAHB001 says

            “Your Unions are no longer fighting Big Businesses and Governments for
            the people, they are now a part of big Business and Big Government..
            Part of what you say is true”

            It is true, You may be seeing the light… Keep searching
            your heart… Big Government IS the Biggest Business of them all…… Big
            Government is in the process of illegally acquiring America’s natural
            resources. Unions are doing the same with the jobs..

            If not checked Businesses will have to
            purchased all natural resources from the Government, and We the People will
            have to beg Unions for work…Unions get power from the Government laws that force the people to pay for their jobs, Unions in turn pay the Government in the form of Campaign donations.

            This is a form of Communism…. With the Elites like Hillary in control.

            Bernie and the Socialists that support him are just being lied to and used…

          39. gotabgood says

            Businesses are in it for the profit… government is not! That is one reason you fail so miserably trying to run the government… you run it like a business.
            There were always choices of where to work… why you would not want to work for a union is beyond my understanding. Even if you did get a job at a non union place, the first thing they told you was, we pay union wages. Unions were the standard… but you have chipped away and trying to break up the foundation, where the CEO and their RTW law, is the new standard… minimum wage…. unless your corporate buddies take that away… then it is hello sweat shops…goodbye weekends

          40. MAHB001 says

            You are WRONG about “NO other businesses fight for the middle class worker, wages, working conditions and benefits. Many companies have paid their workers fair wages without Union intervention. Ford comes to mind. Look at all those dot.com companies in San Francisco, Yahoo, Google, Go Pro, come to mind. There was some executive in the news that dropped his salary down and gave everybody a raise… He was not forced to do that by a Union… He did it to make his workers happy and make the company prosper.

            That comment is nothing more than a talking point that you picked up somewhere. Capitalism is the best way to improve workers wages, and living conditions.

            America has the wealthiest poor people in the world… Everybody is prospering from Capitalism…

          41. gotabgood says

            “America has the wealthiest poor people in the world… Everybody is prospering from Capitalism…”
            That is bullshit!!!!!! Middle class has been on the decline since Reagan. Right off the bat he skimmed 42% off the rich’s tax rate… Middle class had to eat that! by different tax rate increases or less deductions, but the Middle class had to eat it! And once again you use the single word “capitalism”… capitalism and communism are twin brothers..Before Reagan we had regulations to keep businesses and banks in line, Reagan cut the bindings!
            As for us having the wealthiest poor people… wow, what a bragging point!! “Our poor people are better off than your poor people”
            But that is not true.. China and India are getting raises, small but are going up… while US is getting less and less wages and are working 2 or more jobs to keep up. We are in a race to the bottom and it looks like we will win!!! Unless a Democrat senate and hopefully house comes in and gets this nation on the right course again.

          42. MAHB001 says

            Regardless of the decline, America’s middle class is still above the rest, as well as the poor..

            Any more red herrings?

            Capitalism and Communism are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

            Actually, Capitalism and Socialism are on opposite ends of the spectrum with Socialism being on the left, and Capitalism on the right. Communism, resides just the the right of Socialism, you must pass through Communism to reach socialism… That is why Socialism does not exist.

            “The goal of socialism is communism.”
            —-Lenin

            Hillary and 0bama know this all too well, they just don’t want you to know it.

          43. gotabgood says

            Misinformation seems to be your trait… You really don’t check things out at all do you?? and as for the more you are wrong there also. As I said before we are in a race to the bottom and we are winning!!!!!!!!! It is all there at the website I provided you.
            The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest
            More broadly, the poor in the United States have trailed their counterparts in at least a few other countries since the early 1980s. With slow income growth since then, the American poor now clearly trail the poor in several other rich countries. At the 20th percentile — where someone is making less than four-fifths of the population — income in both the Netherlands and Canada was 15 percent higher than income in the United States in 2010.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/upshot/the-american-middle-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html?_r=0

          44. MAHB001 says

            So you are arguing that the uncontrolled growth of Big Government (Communism) that has been going on since the Roosevelt (?), Nixon (?), Bush (?) Obomo (?) years has destroyed the Middle Class in America that once was the richest Country in the World, and in order to fix it, we must give all our freedoms to the Communists in control????

            It seems you are unwilling to admit that since the Country has had an unchecked expanding Big Government (Communist) ruling Elite class of Politicians that the Middle Class is worse off. You can only blame this on Republicans but the reality is:

            Elite Democrats = Elite Republicans = Elite MEDIA = Big Government….

          45. gotabgood says

            “So you are arguing that the uncontrolled growth of Big Government (Communism) that has been going on since the Roosevelt (?), Nixon (?), Bush (?) Obomo (?) years has destroyed the Middle Class”
            What in the world are you talking about??? How did you get that out of anything I have ever said??
            You definitely have a problem with reading or understanding what you read!
            Before FDR, we were in sweat shops. we had men, women, children working long hours in terrible working conditions. FDR said we will have none of that and out of his presidency we got labor laws, unemployment insurance, SS and unions, You forget why we have a government? It is to take care of the country’s needs and how do you do that? By taking care of the peoples needs. A strong foundation comes FIRST before the penthouse. ask Trump!
            The size of government is NOT your answer!!! It is who is running it.. each one of those major crisis were at the hands of the rightwing!!
            The word you are looking for is “REGULATION” and that is not a bad word. we have speed limits and load limits and passenger limits and they are all in place for safety. For YOUR OWN good!! Regulations keep the greedy monsters in check.
            It was FDR that made America rich and powerful, that and along with freedom, people wanted America. trouble is we lost our way. And let leaders slick talk us in to accepting something that turned into a cancer for our society.
            Reagan is a liar! When he made that famous speech, “I am from the government and I am here to help”… that was the single most damaging lie he could have given to the people. Most corporations start out with help from the government, even if nothing more than a tax credit.. or subsidies like the oil companies still receive while making billions of dollars in profit!! We have college grants, build dams, roads and bridges, reserve some beautiful spots in our country for people to enjoy on vacations… better hurry, the miners are mining the Grand Canyon area.. They want to drill in other national parks.

            I did make a mistake… I said communism and capitalism are twin brothers… not true.. capitalism is much worse! Communism everyone works, everyone has a home and healthcare.. not talking quality… I am talking more than what some of our vets have living under bridges. Capitalism is a parasite… it will suck the life out of you until there is no life left and then it will move on to latch onto another victim. Capitalism is greed and power, no compassion, no soul, no heart, it has no limits, after all it is unregulated. it is dumb, it will not save some life in you for another day, it will put you down where you have nothing.
            Ever win at monopoly? That is the supreme game to show how unregulated capitalism works! Know how good you felt by destroying you opponent? You took everything he had, bankrupted him… game over… trouble is the game is over for you too.

          46. MAHB001 says

            I think the problem is your source of information…

            and the apparent fact that you do not question it.

          47. gotabgood says

            Time after time and person after person I ask them to show me their reference, one person told me the fact that he told me something was proof enough… well maybe in the corner of his lollipop world… but not in the real world.
            If you are talking about the reference I gave in my last post to you….. they are headlines it is history… no rhetoric, no personal thoughts or feelings… it happened! or don’t you believe that?
            I get my information from all over the world and this may surprise you, but I purposely try to find something from the rightwing… you would be surprised on how quiet they can be when something close to home is broadcast. Fox’s use to be leader… I am sure they HAVE to say something…. like… I knew he wasn’t a Christian..

          48. MAHB001 says

            Just because you read something on Huff Poo or in the LA times does not mean that the information is correct. When you demand proof from web sites you are saying that persons knowledge and life experiences are worthless, and that they are not smart enough to come to their own conclusions without support from some other source.

            You have endless sources of Soros generated communist propaganda that may or may not be filled with lies to fall back on. You quote those sources as if they are telling the truth, yet most of us know that the MEDIA and elites lie…

            In my lollipop world only fools believe in liars….

            Time and time again I have shown you the errors in your information, yet you continue to pump the stuff out without questioning your sources.

            I would say, just because you got it from a web site means that it is probably a lie, and you need to question it.

            Before FDR?? Why look into the past, why not evaluate how much better we are after 8 years of communism under 0bama? Again, the only people making money are Politicians and big business…. What is the definition of Communism? The State controlling the assets…

            In Communism everyone is a slave… And you think that is better than Capitalism… I wonder how much real ground we have in common.

          49. gotabgood says

            I am not sure what you are arguing about…. my head lines of the great depression, Black monday and lil’ bush’s screw up?
            Fox wasn’t around during the great depression, or Reagans Black Monday.
            AND this is fox reporting on wall street in 2008..
            The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, in its final report on the 2008 collapse, assigned blame to both the Bush and Clinton administrations, as well as Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, his predecessor Alan Greenspan, and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.
            Funny.. the person in charge for 8 years is not to blame, but it is a shared blame of 5 other people. When Clinton left office he left lil’ bush a surplus and things were going good..

          50. MAHB001 says

            No what I was talking about is that liberals always ask for proof from a web site, as if just because it is on a web site means that it is real…

            We quite often talk about things that will never be proven, things that require searching ones soul for the answers… As well as common sense.

            You quite often quote someones opinion as if it is facts. I no longer trust anything coming out of the Government as it is all spun to one side or the other. The same with your web site data, it is manipulated and untrustworthy.

            I will say this.

            Crony Capitalism = Crony Socialism = Communism…

            The reason you hate Bush is because he is a Conservative, but that you hate Bush because he practice crony capitalism is kind of ironic…. Because crony capitalism is exactly what 0bama and Hillary are pushing…

          51. gotabgood says

            You are in a terrible spot. History is recorded on paper, or some kind of data storage now. our constitution is on paper, do you trust that? It is a couple hundred years old. Lot of things could have been manipulated, say for instance the 2nd amendment..
            To save you some ink,,, Unregulated capitalism = communism..
            I dislike lil’ bush because he is a murderer. If lil’ bush didn’t plan 9/11, he ok’ed it!
            Too many things went totally against the norm that day 3 buildings fell that should never have fallen. Two air planes missing, one at pentagon and one at Pennsylvania field. And the air force was a joke, our whole eastern sea board was open..

          52. MAHB001 says

            Wrong Unregulated Capitalism is freedom…

            Big Government is Communism. Everybody knows that.

            You are a hypocrite and liar, who wouldn’t know what the truth was if Hillary told you that she lied, didn’t do anything but watch while 4 died in Benghazi.

            Your “norm” is not the norm… You are riding the backwards bicycle and don’t even know it… That is what Ideological subversion does to you, teaches you to ride the backwards bicycle.

            Every conclusion you come is just the opposite of the norm… Can you see that?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0

          53. gotabgood says

            You are wrong! Flat out wrong, even common sense would allow you to figure it out.
            Sweat shops were unregulated… you call that freedom????????????????

          54. MAHB001 says

            What does my argument have to do with sweat shops?

            Do you believe sweat shops exist in America today?

            I do, in the form of TAXES…. And who controls these sweat shops? Big Government.

          55. gotabgood says

            When you talk of straight capitalism.. you are talking sweat shops!
            Do they exist today? NO! Not yet! We are heading there quickly. Stripping unions, destroying labor laws, bringing in RTW… we’re getting close.
            My sweet little innocent ignoramus.. In one hand you say we have the lowest taxes and then in the other hand you complain they are too high.
            >
            At the turn of the century it took an annual income of at least $600 to live comfortably but the average worker made between $400 and $500 per year.
            Factory workers had to face long hours, poor working conditions, and job instability. During economic recessions many workers lost their jobs or faced sharp pay cuts. New employees found the discipline and regulation of factory work to be very different from other types of work. Work was often monotonous because workers performed one task over and over. It was also strictly regulated. Working hours were long averaging at least ten hours a day and six days a week for most workers, even longer for others.

            http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3406401046.html
            >
            Do you see what I mean??? we are working our way back to THIS!!! What men fought and died for, we are giving it back through unregulated capitalism..
            Below is what the unions gave us!!
            READ IT! Or you will never learn what it use to be like!!

          56. MAHB001 says

            Bullshit!

            Are you saying the local swap meet is a sweat shop?
            Are you saying walking into McDonalds and buying a Big Mac is a sweat shop?

            That is CAPITALISM….

            You must be listening to the voices in your own head because I never said we have the lowest taxes…

            Taxes ARE the new sweat shops…. They enslave us. Just like UNION DUES, taxes are not an option….

            And then you go back to the turn of the century for your fear mongering justification of big communist style government and unions.

            My question was “Do you believe sweat shops exist today.” Read the entire sentence.

          57. gotabgood says

            Your intelligence level is far below the amoeba that I gave you credit for.
            “Are you saying the local swap meet is a sweat shop?”
            10+ hours a day, 6 days a week swap meet???
            Union dues gave you benefits… you are either young or live in the south, which makes you a welfare queen, that the unions passed labor laws to protect your stupid, stupid ways..

          58. MAHB001 says

            Your insults reveal that you are losing the arguments.

            A local swap meet is the best example of unregulated capitalism at work that you can find.
            And you say unregulated Capitalism is Communism….

            And to that I say BULLSHIT…. I should have known I would have to explain these things to your dumb ass..

            Union dues gave benefits about 100 years ago, but do nothing today. What have they done today??? They force you to pay union dues… Which is just another form of taxation and control.

            Did you know that Unions are the only ones exempt from paying minimum wage here in CA… There goes your “Unions are all about the workers”, argument.

          59. gotabgood says

            Hillary told you that she lied, didn’t do anything but watch while 4 died in Benghazi.
            You’re quite the drama queen…. next you will be saying she was eating popcorn.. and how would you know that? You were there watching too..

          60. MAHB001 says

            ???? You are just being silly now.

            Hillary lied about Benghazi.
            Hillary sat FROZEN and watch TV while Americans were killed in Benghazi.

            And there is NO possible way that unregulated Capitalism is Communism….

          61. gotabgood says

            The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest
            More broadly, the poor in the United States have trailed their counterparts in at least a few other countries since the early 1980s. With slow income growth since then, the American poor now clearly trail the poor in several other rich countries. At the 20th percentile — where someone is making less than four-fifths of the population — income in both the Netherlands and Canada was 15 percent higher than income in the United States in 2010.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/upshot/the-american-middle-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html?_r=0

            ““The goal of socialism is communism.”
            A goal is something in the future where as unregulated capitalism is already communism! No waiting required.

          62. MAHB001 says

            I do not disagree with anything you said in the first paragraph. Your comment that unregulated Capitalism is Communism is wrong. It is the type of twisted thinking the brainwashing communists want us to believe.

            From the Microsoft Word Dictionary-

            Communism – Marxist-Leninist system.
            The Marxist-Leninist version of a classless society in which capitalism is overthrown by a working-class revolution that give ownership and control of wealth and property to the state.

            Capitalism — Free-Market System
            An economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit.

            I have no idea how you can come up with and believe that unregulated capitalism is communism….. Other than you simply want communism and must demonize capitalism, freedom, and the American way of life to get what you want…

            Here is my point. Capitalism got the American Poor to the levels they attained in the 1980’s. Since the 1980’s Americas GOVERNMENT has slowly and steadily become more socialistic/communistic…

            The people are suffering, as predicted and as history has shown. Communism is NOT the way the middle class prospers… Communism enslaves all classes, and caters to the elites.

          63. gotabgood says

            First I think we can agree on communism is bad… But.. from your own post… read carefully what it says… “Capitalism — Free-Market System An economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit.”
            Here is my point. Capitalism got the American Poor to the levels they attained in the 1980’s. I agree.. BUT under REGULATION!!!! They put governors on diesel engines so they won’t blow themselves up. And the big corporations need a governor or they will blow the economy up.
            You can’t keep cutting taxes for the rich and expect the revenue to keep pouring in.. Wisconsin and Kansas are two very good examples what happens when you cut taxes. I know Kansas had their credit rating lowered twice and I think Wisconsin did also.
            Maybe you don’t know what regulation we are talking about… Banks were not allowed to cross state lines. They were not allowed to invest the consumers money. Corporations were not allowed to close up shop and move elsewhere. they received tax credits only when reinvesting in their own company, by expanding, updating, hiring. The new deal by FDR was what made America great!
            If you think about this just for a moment… this whole universe we live in is under regulation or we would have planets bumping into one another.. please don’t bring up comets or meteors, I am not a scientist who can explain all to you.
            The moon has been hanging around earth for as long as I can remember and we haven’t collided yet. Anytime regulation is taken away you have chaos and soon things will self destruct..
            Look at austerity…. you can’t keep cutting taxes, budgets, and programs and expect things to remain the same or the ridicules thought of improving..
            AUSTERITY IS RUINING THE ECONOMY OF THE WORLD!
            Austerity Seriously Affecting Health in Europe, North America

            http://www.voanews.com/content/austerity-seriously-affecting-health-in-europe-north-america/1654291.html
            >
            YOU WORRY ABOUT THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT…ONE WORLD MONETARY SYSTEM… READ THIS!
            >
            EU Austerity: Country-by-Country — UPDATED — (4/26)
            By European Affairs
            Greater budget discipline is a goal that most EU countries are pursuing, with tax increases (including VAT rates) and often-drastic cuts in government spending. A country-by-country table of these measures has been compiled by the European Institute (as an update to a previous table) and is current as of May 1.
            Austria: Plan is under way to reduce spending by €1.6 billion in 2011, and €3.5 billion by 2013; the government will implement a “bank solidarity tax” to increase revenue by €500 million per year; a total of €1.17 billion in extra public income from taxes is expected.
            Belgium: Stalemate in domestic politics has paralyzed action (and even debate) on austerity measures, but when a new government is formed, it will find proposals on the table for new taxes: on pensions, on CO2 emissions, a “crisis tax” on banks – plus a proposal to bar increases in health-care spending.
            Bulgaria: A planned 10 percent increase in public-sector salaries has been cancelled; the government has mandated a 20 percent across-the-board cut in public spending; cabinet ministers’ pay has been cut by 15 percent; pensions have been raised by nine per cent.
            Cyprus: No comprehensive austerity plan exists, but state officials have taken a ten percent pay cut. Fuel taxes have been increased and corporate taxes raised by one percent; public-sector recruitment and parts of the telecommunications budget have been frozen.
            Czech Republic: The Czech Republic plans a balanced budget by 2016. Aiming to reduce the ratio of public debt to gross domestic product to 4.6 percent, a government austerity package will reduce sick pay to 60 percent of the base rate; the number of state employees will be decreased across-the-board; MPs and constitutional officials will get a five percent pay cut; public-sector employees will suffer an average pay cut of 10 percent (with the exception of teachers); maternity benefits will be curtailed; new taxes will be imposed on the wealthy; regional budgets have suffered a nearly 20 percent cut;
            Denmark: The government austerity plan seeks €3.2 billion cuts in budget “consolidation.” Unemployment benefits are being cut back to two years (from four); the public sector will lose 20,000 jobs; child benefits are reduced by five percent and ministerial salaries cut by five per cent.
            Estonia: With comparatively low levels of debt (7.2 percent of GDP) and only a 1.7 percent budget deficit ratio to GDP, savings of €432 million are being sought and an increase in VAT rates is under consideration.
            Finland: Nearly 5,000 government jobs will be eliminated by 2014; the government is seeking to raise the retirement age from 63 to 65; an energy tax will generate €750 million; excise taxes on sweets and soft drinks will raise an extra €100 million per year; VAT rates are to be raised by one percent (to 23 percent).
            France: To work toward the goal of a three percent ratio of budget deficit to gross domestic product, the government’s initial effort aims at saving €100 billion a year; France has raised the retirement age to 62 (from 60), starting in 2018; the age for full state pension has been raised to 67 (from 65); a three-year freeze on public spending from 2011 to 2013 is being implemented; the highest wage earners will pay an additional 1% in income tax; pension contributions from employees’ pay will rise to 10.55 percent from 7.85 percent; so far, these plans will save a total of €45 billion a year toward the government’s overall target.
            Germany: Berlin plans to cut its budget deficit by 80 billion euros a year. Cuts include defense spending (reducing the armed services by 40,000 troops); some bonuses for civil servants are to be suspended in 2011; the civil-service strength will be cut by 10,000 by 2014; there will also be a new tax on nuclear energy.
            Greece: As a condition of its IMF-EU 110 billion euro bailout, Greece is imposing a wide range of austerity measures. The government will freeze civil-service hiring until 2014 and eliminate many contract workers; VAT rates have been raised from 19 percent to 23 percent; lower-wage workers’ bonuses will have a cap and higher- paid workers’ bonuses will be eliminated; allowances for public sector employees will be cut by eight percent; Greece plans to raise 35 billion euros by 2015 by privatizing state-owned assets such as postal, water and rail services; a two-year increase in the retirement age to 63 from 61 will be imposed.
            Hungary: The government plans to implement a 15 percent cut in public sector spending (saving €171 million). It is also discussing a 16 percent “flat tax” for personal income (that is designed to close loopholes and cut evasion). Parliament has proposed lowering wage ceilings for public-sector employees and eliminating the “13th month” pension payment; consideration is being given to cutting down the number of seats in parliament and local assemblies to reduce spending. In 2009, the previous government decided to raise the retirement age to 65 over a three-year transition period; its decisions included a two-year freeze in public sector pensions, a temporary increase to 25 percent in VAT rates and cuts in the “jubilee” bonuses for top officials; in 2011, it plans a 10 percent cut in sick pay and suspension of a housing subsidy.
            Ireland: With an IMF-EU bail-out of 85 billion euros, Ireland has pledged to cut its annual deficit by six billion euros, with a goal of saving 15 billion by 2013. Taxes will be raised by a total of €5 billion; the minimum wage has been cut from 8.65 euros to 7.65 euros an hour; the government has ordered a five percent cut in public-sector wages; capital gains and capital acquisitions taxes will increase by 25 percent; social welfare will be cut by €760 million and child benefits will be reduced by €16 per month; the cigarette tax will increase; investment projects will be cut back by €960 million; a carbon tax of €15 per ton of CO2 and a new water tax will be imposed. There will also be a four percent cut in social welfare programs for the unemployed.
            Italy: The government has approved austerity measures of €24 billion for 2011-2012. All public salaries will see a three-year freeze; those exceeding €90,000 and €150,000 will be cut respectively by five percent and ten percent for the amount exceeding the threshold; only one employee will replace every five who leave; funding to city and regional authorities is set to be cut by 13 billion euros.
            Latvia: In 2009, Latvia passed a stringent set of austerity measures, and took out a €7.5 billion IMF loan; the economy is rebounding; measures included spending cuts and revenue increases equal to 10 percent of gross domestic product through a 25 percent public-sector wage cut, and implementing a fixed exchange rate for the Latvian lat with the Euro.
            Lithuania: Public sector pay will be frozen for two years; public spending will decrease by 30 percent; public-sector pensions will be cut by 11 percent; alcohol and pharmaceuticals will be taxed at higher rates; corporate taxes will rise by five percent; parental-leave benefits will decrease.
            Luxembourg: Government spending will be reduced by €370 million in 2011, and €407 million in 2012, including cuts in transportation and education spending; government subsidies to companies will be cut by 10 percent.
            Malta: In 2009, Malta ran a 3.8 percent deficit so officials do not believe that austerity measures are necessary, but public service employment will be downsized by 50 percent and the retirement age will be increased to 65 from 60.
            Netherlands: There has been a proposal to cut the budget by €18 billion by 2015, but no decision has been reached as of yet.
            Poland: Public sector salaries have been frozen; 10 percent of public sector jobs are being cut; the VAT has been increased by one percent.
            Portugal: Portugal requested financial aid from the EU on April 6, but parliament rejected an austerity package – that undoubtedly will now be imposed under any bail-out terms. Already, government salaries had been frozen and social programs cut; top earners in the public sector took a five percent pay cut; 17 enterprises are being privatized; VAT rates will rise by one percent; income and corporate taxes will rise by two to five percent. The military budget is being sharply cut back.
            Romania: The government has proposed public-sector wage cuts of 25 percent and pensions cuts of 15 percent; the government will raise VAT rates to 24 percent (up five percent).
            Slovakia: In 2010, Slovakia announced a plan to raise €1.7 billion; measures include a one percent raise of the VAT (from 19 percent to 20 percent); new taxes on tobacco and alcohol;
            Slovenia: Parliament has proposed reductions in public sector bonuses; wages will be delinked from automatic inflation adjustments.
            Spain: The 2011 budget includes a tax rise for top brackets and an eight percent cut in spending – including a five percent cut for civil servants’ pay; retirement age has been raised to 67. Taxes on tobacco are being raised by 28 percent, and privatization of state-owned assets will include 30 percent of the lottery and a stake in the airport authority; the infrastructure budget was cut by 30 percent.
            Sweden: No exceptional austerity measures are foreseen. (In the 1990’s Sweden imposed spending ceilings.)
            United Kingdom: The UK has announced the biggest cuts in state spending since World War II. The plan is to save 83 billion pounds. This will be done by cutting 490,000 public sector jobs, implementing a council tax-freeze, raising the capital gains tax on investments, raising the retirement age to 66, and increasing the VAT rates by 2.5 percent (to 20 percent); most governmental department spending will be reduced by 25 percent, including a year-long freeze on the Queen’s budget (the Civil List).
            http://www.europeaninstitute.org/April-2011/eu-austerity-country-by-country-updated-421.html

          64. gotabgood says

            “There was some executive in the news that dropped his salary down and gave everybody a raise”
            Must have been someone like Warren Buffett. I know a lot of small businesses have raised their employees wages, especially in Blue States and cities… has nothing to do with the capitalist corporation. Lot of cities and states are raising their minimum wages, but again nothing to do with the red states or corporations. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b49637b0444dec5f7d12109a0506be72355b3b3bb60d44b939048ce8de64e872.jpg

          65. MAHB001 says

            No it wasn’t Warren Buffet. But he is a good example, do you think the only reason Warren is good to his employees is because the Unions made him do it?

            The answer is no.

            Here is the guy that I was thinking of.

            http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-gravity-ceo-dan-price/

            I guess his attempt at socialism has run into a few greedy people…. those damn Capitalists are always thinking of themselves….

          66. gotabgood says

            do you think the only reason Warren is good to his employees is because the Unions made him do it?
            Of course I do not think that…. Jesus said it is harder for a rich man to enter in the kingdom than for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle…. Now Jesus didn’t say it was impossible… but damn hard!! The same holds true with a millionaire/billionaire doing good for the people…. very few and far between.

            I guess his attempt at socialism has run into a few greedy people…. those damn Capitalists are always thinking of themselves…. True

          67. MAHB001 says

            You do understand that my last comment was sarcastic?

            Proof by your comment about Warren is true, shows that you are contradicting yourself, Warren is a Capitalists, your assumption that ALL Capitalists have evil intent to the masses is wrong…

            In Capitalism being greedy is a good thing, as you only get what you want after you produce something someone else wants. If they do not produce things that others want, they do not get what they want…

            On the other hand, Socialists/Communists CONTROL the resources and people to their own profit… Like what our greedy politicians are doing right now.

          68. gotabgood says

            Now that is a new one… you speak the truth only in sarcasm…
            WOW… things fly over your head…. first I want to clarify, I am not saying Buffett is a capitalist. maybe he is, maybe he isn’t… but it was him that said it wasn’t right that his secretary pays more in taxes than he does… THAT, doesn’t sound like a capitalist to me. He also calls for all millionaires and billionaires to pay more income tax… AGAIN, that doesn’t sound like capitalist to me.

            “In Capitalism being greedy is a good thing, as you only get what you want after you produce something someone else wants. If they do not produce things that others want, they do not get what they want…”
            There has to be a difference that can be explain between greed and greedy.
            But, there has to be incentive from the toilet cleaner to the CEO. That is why we get raises and vacations and sometimes companies will put forth a goal and if we reach that goal, in this case we went deep sea fishing.. great time!
            It is when you cut benefits to give yourself a raise, or cut back on the percentage of the raise or make them work longer hours, cut back on vacations or sick leave.. or hold back after you had a great season and give nothing to the ones who got you that great season… it is all about team work… unregulated capitalism is not a team player!!
            No comment on socialism.. you have it defined wrong and will not except the fact that you for all your life have lived on socialism.
            and you better get use to here on earth, because if you plan on going to heaven… it is total socialism there.. NO CAPITALISM AT ALL!!

          69. MAHB001 says

            So you didn’t understand my comment was sarcastic… Me bad.

            The ONLY reason Buffet secretary pays more taxes is because the tax laws are convoluted on purpose. So that the rich can hide their wealth.

            I say a simple flat tax would fix that. Yet you will oppose a flat tax because???? Because a Republican suggested it. That is why.

          70. GodBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            CAPITALISM IS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        3. Mathew Molk says

          That’s it Moonbeam, Make treaties from a position of weakness. You will always come out the winner that way. Look what the Treasonous Witch and the 4-month Vietnam combat wounder did with Iran.

          Look fool, the way to win is to kill them all and come home alone. NOTHING else works.

          1. gotabgood says

            You talk as if you already joined the ISIS army..
            this your new flag?

        4. mac12sam12 says

          Obama could have ignored that agreement and was advised to do so by his military experts.

          1. gotabgood says

            LESSON IN HISTORY 101
            (TAKES TWO TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT)

            In one of his final acts in office, President Bush in December of 2008 had signed a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with the Iraqi government that set the clock ticking on ending the war he’d launched in March of 2003. The SOFA provided a legal basis for the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq after the United Nations Security Council mandate for the occupation mission expired at the end of 2008. But it required that all U.S. forces be gone from Iraq by January 1, 2012, unless the Iraqi government was willing to negotiate a new agreement that would extend their mandate. And as Middle East historian Juan Cole has noted, “Bush had to sign what the [Iraqi] parliament gave him or face the prospect that U.S. troops would have to leave by 31 December, 2008, something that would have been interpreted as a defeat… Bush and his generals clearly expected, however, that over time Washington would be able to wriggle out of the treaty and would find a way to keep a division or so in Iraq past that deadline.”
            But ending the U.S. troop presence in Iraq was an overwhelmingly popular demand among Iraqis, and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki appears to have been unwilling to take the political risk of extending it. While he was inclined to see a small number of American soldiers stay behind to continue mentoring Iraqi forces, the likes of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, on whose support Maliki’s ruling coalition depends, were having none of it. Even the Obama Administration’s plan to keep some 3,000 trainers behind failed because the Iraqis were unwilling to grant them the legal immunity from local prosecution that is common to SOF agreements in most countries where U.S. forces are based.

          2. mac12sam12 says

            The next president can ignore any agreement and Hussein Obama was advised to do so. I heard that from Robert Gates. The agreement with Iran can can be overturned by the next president.

          3. gotabgood says

            There you go AGAIN… ” I heard that from Robert Gates”… was that over a family dinner.. or did you spend the 4th of July with him and family??
            But another reason I don’t believe anything you say is because I give you a statement of what happened and you come back with an asinine statement.

            ONCE AGAIN

            Administration’s plan to keep some 3,000 trainers behind failed because the Iraqis were unwilling to grant them the legal immunity from local prosecution that is common to SOF agreements in most countries where U.S. forces are based.

          4. mac12sam12 says

            That was on 60 Minutes and he said it on other shows as well. Leon Panetta said the same thing.

      2. anibanib says

        Rubbish

        1. MAHB001 says

          0bama’s incompetence allowed ISIS to grow and flourish… You might say that 0bama is the proud father of ISIS, and Hillary its mother.

          BTW, all those innocent people that are dying at ISIS’s hand were relying on the United States for protection…. Guess they picked the wrong president to rely on eh….

          Rubbish yourself.

          1. anibanib says

            Obama didnt start the wars in Iraq, they were both started by the BUSH family…….and both were illegal

          2. MAHB001 says

            Wake up dude, you have got to get better sources of information, the ones you are using are making you look stupid.

            0bama didn’t finish the war in Iraq… THAT is why we are dealing with ISIS today.

            American soldiers decimated our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan, 0bama ordered them to stand down and not finish the job.

            That blood is on 0bama….

          3. anibanib says

            Where do you find your bull pooey, surely you can do better………….and why are you Calling them YOUR ENEMIES…………what had these 2 countries done to the Mighty USA………..and now the US airforce is bombing schools and hospitals………….perhaps is new ploy the US is using to win friends

          4. MAHB001 says

            Still listening to people that make you look foolish…

          5. anibanib says

            Not as foolish as you, not believing what the US airforce is doing almost every day

          6. MAHB001 says

            They are fighting a WAR…. They are bombing fortified enemy strongholds and doing their very best to minimize civilian casualties…

            Unlike the liberals on the left, that simply turn their back on the civilians.

      3. curmudgeon VN Veteran says

        If only his father had practiced early withdrawal.

        1. glenn398 says

          Good one

        2. Korean_Vet says

          In case you never did Genealogical Research–Obama Sr. remained
          married to his 1st Wife “Kezia” as he signed a ‘worthless marriage-
          license’ on Feb 2, 1961 to naïve Ann Dunham-! (Bigamy is Forbidden
          by Law in the USA-!) If “Fraud or Misrepresentations” is present at the
          ‘Signing’ of any Legal Document–it renders that “legal Document”-“Null
          & Void” at time it’s ‘Signed’–(Not when the Fraud is discovered-!) To
          keep her from going to the Police about the Date Rape when she
          attended a College Beer Party-! Being only 16 yrs-old, Ann Dunham
          was not accustomed to Liquor & Got Stoned–when Obama Sr. seen
          her stunned condition–he led her off & Date-Raped Her-! He was
          about to “lose his Valuable College Scholarship & told her that he
          was Divorced-! Muslims are allowed to “Lie to non-Muslims” if it’s
          to their advantage-! He said “He’d marry Her”-! Ann’s a non-Muslim!
          And because of “Bigamy” was never “Mrs. Obama”-! Therefore, her
          “illegal Son’s” name is “Barack Hussein Dunham”-not Obama-! She
          signed her name as “Stanley Ann Dunham Obama”–she’s indicated
          that she’s a ‘married woman to Obama Sr. & She WAS NOT-! This
          “Misrepresentation”–“Voids her Illegal Son’s” Birth Certificate-! Thus-
          His written name on the Certificate is also “Voided”-! If you use a
          “Wrong Legal Name” on a “legal Document”–it’s “Null & Void” as this
          is called Criminal Offense of “ID Theft” if you used a Name that you
          were Never “Legally-Given”-! Therefore–every Bill of Congress that
          he’s signed with the “Wrong Legal Name & 2 Supreme-Court
          Appointments are also “Voided”-!

    2. David in MA says

      stupid troll, would you rather live in Islamic sharia law?
      Are you one of the idiots who advocated : “Better Red than Dead”?
      FN MORON!

      1. anibanib says

        He is right, the USA for the mosthave caused ISIS to exist and flourish………..you killed Saddam and Kaddifi………..neither were sunday school teachers, but they did keep Control over their Citizens……….and with their Deaths BY THE USA, ISIS etc etc etc were born

        1. glenn398 says

          Someone who understands what the results were of taking these people out. Seems funny the focus was always anywhere but Iran who by far was the problem in that area. You would have thought Iran was nothing but Sunday school teachers instead of what it really was.

          1. anibanib says

            It was Iraq who started the Iraq-Iran war, well aided and supplied by the USA, including WMDs thru the courtousy of Rumsfeld………..and at this very moment in time Iran have given 1.6 million refugees shelter and food…………surprised

          2. glenn398 says

            What we did wrong was not give enough support to Iraq in order to defeat Iran. Iraq didn’t start the war by itself, it was convinced by the U.S. to start that war.

        2. Mathew Molk says

          That’s right Stardust. WE (People like the real Americans here) knocked them off, and cowards like you sat in their homes that we made safe and bitched about it.

          You make me sick.

          1. anibanib says

            What are you babbling about, I am not an Amrican nor do I live in the USA, and the USA did NOT make my home safer

      2. Mathew Molk says

        No, too young and only was exposed to “progressive” history books,

      3. gotabgood says

        Give me the name of a country that is living under Sharia Law… other than a Muslim country..

        1. David in MA says

          America

    3. glenn398 says

      You can’t even have a local shoot out and be sure there won’t be any civilian casualties.

    4. Amil Baker says

      gotabgood: I am a Vet. and any time you have a war you are going to kill civilians. That is just the way it is, especially way ISIS is apparently fighting. In world war II we bombed Tokyo ,we bombed Berlin and all the ports and cities in between, because that is where their factories and Warehouses were. We lost a lot of civilians ourselves with the bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japs. That is the way war is fought.

      1. gotabgood says

        It was their headlines I was commenting on and was using “satire” by saying Trump would have no civilian causalities.
        War is terrible… the worse thing about it is… the people that die.. are just like us, they want a job, home, kids and a dog. We are at odds with China right now.. I had the privileged of living there for 5 years, They gather in the parks and communities each night to sing and dance. They are friendly, quick to help and are at the mercy of the government. I think the government officials should fight their OWN wars! And leave the people alone. More wars we have the more turn over in politicians we will have and soon they may realize there has to be a better way..

    5. Mathew Molk says

      Who cares as long as the enemy (ISIS – DEASH) ends up like Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo. DEAD! – (Should have hung the Jap emperor and his whole family too BTW) Bull Halsey ( look it up) said when he got done the Jap language would be spoken only in hell, but they stopped him too soon.

      Or would you rather YOUR family gets blown up. shot up, or hung. – It’s us or them Moonbeam. Real war is not like they tell you in the “safe Zones” in your commie infested collage.

      1. gotabgood says

        “(Should have hung the Jap emperor and his whole family too BTW)
        So tell me once again why you dislike ISIS and the rest?

    6. mac12sam12 says

      Did terrorist care about civilian casualties when the towers came down?

      1. gotabgood says

        Where did this headline come from??
        “Avoiding Civilian Casualties? We’re Causing Them”

  2. gotabgood says

    Trump and Cruz secret plan together..

    1. Mathew Molk says

      Works for me.

    2. mac12sam12 says

      If we used the democrat’s rules for engagement during WW2 we’d all be speaking German.

      1. gotabgood says

        You don’t know who FDR is?

        1. mac12sam12 says

          We didn’t have rules of engagement until Vietnam. Reread, I said IF we used the democrat’s rules of engagement during WW2 we’d all be speaking German.

          1. gotabgood says

            I almost hate to give you the web address, but to prove a point… and that point is, you really don’t know what you are talking about, I need to do this. Maybe instead of spouting off rhetoric and “I heard once” or just flat out lie about something… why not look something up????? I do, when you and others give me a line of BS with no references, I search it out and 99 times out of 100… your wrong!!! This case is typical… there were “RULES OF ENGAGEMENT in WWII!

            Consequences: The Greer incident itself was used only to change the rules of engagement in the Atlantic (though in a significant way, that is, to shoot on sight), and this change did not directly lead to war; the Pearl Harbor attack did. LBJ used the Gulf of Tonkin explicitly over several years as a justification of his continued escalation of the war in Vietnam.
            Ultimate Outcome: In the end, the justness of the war is relevant. The end does not justify the means in all cases, but it is relevant. World War II saved much of the world from the Nazis and Japan. The Vietnam War was a disaster for the Vietnamese and Americans.
            Next time give references..

            https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=weIWs7y0QE8C&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=did+FDR+start+rules+of+engagement?&source=bl&ots=NaktrzIpHk&sig=O9AFEocwHUqP451a6eBdBF7JrO4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij-bPzgobOAhWCipQKHXuZBN8Q6AEIPzAG#v=onepage&q&f=false

  3. MAHB001 says

    There are three things stopping Americans from destroying ISIS tomorrow, The two listed in this article..

    And 0bama, the enemy within…..

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      1. MAHB001 says

        flagged you scum puppet.

    2. Jeffrey Grimes says

      You forgot our own cowardice and lack of action. If we REALLY wanted to fix this, we would be at the gates of Congress and NOT behind our keyboards crying about it.

      1. Jimmy Quick says

        Join the enlightened. All revelations begin with chatter on the streets. Action will only come when good people decide they have had enough.

        Trump is the blanket statement, the shot heard around the world if you will. When he is elected, not if, but when he is elected, things had better change.

        Lines are being drawn and it is high time we take this to the streets. These mongrels like Obama had better put on their running shoes because it is going to be a different America.

        And anyone, your mother, your sister, your children, your neighbor, or your pastor for that matter, who is not onboard with taking our country back from these criminals is an enemy of our nation and should be cut off and left to die. They do not deserve understanding, compassion or forgiveness. They are the sect of the population that have caused this lunacy to be put upon us and given the chance, they will do it again.

        Death to all demoncrats and all those who worship at the alter of the false god, Obama.

        1. MAHB001 says

          He will only be elected if We the People take back the election process. At this point in time, we are assuming that honest people are counting the votes…. I think that the elites are counting the votes…

          Elite Republicans = elite democrats = elite MEDIA!!!!

          Do we really know who is counting the votes? The elites are… I think 100% of the people could vote for Trump, and the elites will come up with the total, Hillary 52%, Trump 48%.

          “It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
          —-Joseph Stalin

          1. Gerry Costa says

            Sorry to say MAHB — i have to agree 100% with you. We don’t have any clue anymore how our voting comes out.

          2. MAHB001 says

            see my answer above… we must stop the MEDIA, as they are the ones convincing the people that their “reporting” is actually the election results.

          3. Charlie Wayne Melton says

            You are absolutely right I can wait fix this

          4. Charlie Wayne Melton says

            You are absolutely right, how can we fix this?

          5. MAHB001 says

            The first thing you can do is spread the word. Make people aware of what is going on, regardless of how busy they are with their life…. These types of actions are not possible in broad daylight. They only work on the unsuspecting.

            Second, I don’t think the ruse would be possible without the corrupt and complacent MEDIA…. The MEDIA is the one that sells the public on what the election results are… If they are not guilty of lying, they are guilty of being duped by the elites… I believe the MEDIA is in on it at a certain level, but at this point, it really doesn’t matter.. They convince the people as to what the election results are, without keeping the Government honest.

            I have created a web site to fight the MEDIA: http://www.madashellboycott.com

            Consider joining, and getting everybody you know to join.

          6. Jimmy Quick says

            Victims all have our thing in common. They don’t fight back.

          7. MAHB001 says

            I know a lot of victims that have fought back and lost…

            Fighting back does not guarantee that you will not end up a victim.

          8. Jimmy Quick says

            Yes it does. When you fight back, win, lose, or draw. You are either a hero, a revolutionary, or a martyr, but when you do not fight back, you are a coward.

            Which do you want to be?

          9. MAHB001 says

            I fight back to win. I also pray for the taking back of this Country to be as peaceful as we lost it.

            where does that put me?

          10. Jimmy Quick says

            And there is the problem. You have an entire generation that is bent on evil and they will not turn away from it.

            The only thing that will be peaceful is the easy chair in which you will eventually no longer sit.

            And who will take it after you are gone is anyones guess, but you will be remembered only as that crazy old fool who preached about an “America” that has long past and will never return.

          11. MAHB001 says

            Agreed, that generation(s) has been demoralized as described in this video…

            https://youtu.be/mqSV72VNnV0

            In the video there is a 4 phase process that these guys were following.

            Phase 1: Demoralization 15-20 years (Getting people to reject Capitalism and accept Socialism)
            Phase2: Destabilization 2-5 years (Destroy economy, foreign relations, Defense systems)
            Phase 3: Crisis 6 weeks – includes a violent change in power.
            Phase 4: Then Normalization which lasts indefinitely.

            The defector dude exposed the evil plan back in the 50/60s but that only drove the Communists underground until 0bama/Hillary.

            Now the question is, what are WE going to do about it?

          12. MAHB001 says

            Note that this Communist plot took MUCH longer than they anticipated is a testament to the goodness of America.

          13. Jimmy Quick says

            Trump has built the model. Look at his family. Look at the way he gets back up to fight no matter how many times they knock him down. Get active in your community. Address the lies and distortions that are being force fed to the young and the foolish. Identify the ring leaders and learn all of their secrets, then expose them for the criminals they are and keep your gun loaded and prepare for open war in the streets. These criminals will stop at nothing to hols onto their death grip on America.

          14. MAHB001 says

            Amen to that Patriot….

            Join the fight at http://www.madashellboycott.com

            It will neutrilize the lefts strongest tool… The Goebbels like MEDIA. Spread the word…

          15. conservgirl says

            It is the rules of engagement taught by Sol Allynski. This is what Obama was pretty much raised on and that is why we have such trouble in this country. Obama is practicing what he preaches and that is why he was the most liberal senator in the senate. He has no plans to unite this country or to make America great because he wants to tear it down. That is why Hillary can’t and mustn’t win because she will just continue Obama’s agenda to destroy America as we know it.

          16. MAHB001 says

            Agreed, Hillary will never win an true election.

            That is why they are going to fix the election results… Hillary will be ordained, not elected.

            “It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
            —-Joseph Stalin

            The elites control the people that count the votes… The Elites in the MEDIA must be stopped.

            http://www.madashellboycott.com

          17. MAHB001 says

            I do believe Alinsky modified the brainwashing techniques this defector dude was talking about.

            You must know your enemy before you can defeat your enemy…

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          19. MAHB001 says

            flagged you scum puppet.

          20. pappy450 says

            You and I have BOTH comment on this before. SOROS company manufactures the machines we are FORCED to vote with. These were HACKED before. (PROVEN) (why else would OSCUMBAG get over 100% of the vote in some districts) NOTHING was done about it! The person that hacked the machines was prosecuted, BUT like I have said before I’ll bet he will be “pardoned” in time for THIS election to do it all over again. Multiple votes were cast also (and ALSO proven,) but only “some” were caught and prosecuted. Fictitious Names on “absentee” ballots were also “found” (proven and nothing done about it.) AND last, but not least, hopefully THIS time the votes from the Military overseas won’t be blown out of the sky again. or “LOST” and not make it on time.
            If I read this right “our” votes are not even COUNTED in the U.S.
            (someone correct me if I am wrong)

          21. MAHB001 says

            Agreed, all are forms of rigging the election. Until ALL of us start talking about the election corruption, the elites will continue on, undeterred. Do you have the name of the guy that hacked the Soros machines?

          22. pappy450 says

            I wish NOW that I would have saved that post to my drive.. The person that did this was prosecuted. Type in “person that hacked voting machines” (without the quotes) I had the address,and tried to open the post again, but it was “taken down” (file not found) apparently the powers that be didn’t want it looked at again. (convenient)

          23. MAHB001 says

            You are more than probably correct that they will do it again. Only this time to ordain Hillary. I fear we no longer have Elections…. And if Hillary is placed into office, we should never call her elected.

            Mr Google, will no doubt bury this story so deep that it will never be recovered.

          24. conservgirl says

            One thing that will be different is that Trump won’t take it lying down. If there is corruption in the voting he has the money and the guts to take them on.

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          26. TheBlues says

            Here is what RECENTLY pissed me, Royally. The media only criticized and demonized Melania for her speech. Only media like Breitbart and Drudge praised her speech. Not one media on the net praised Melania for her speech. You know what I am saying. Just all the more reason to HATE LYING CROOKED HILLARY- – DEMON STRAIGHT FROM HELL…..

          27. MAHB001 says

            the MEDIA is Corrupt and in the tank for Hillary…

            Join MAD AS HELL BOYCOTT and get everyone you know to join. Send out the petitions, they are working… And will work with enough patriots joining and signing petitions…

            http://www.madashellboycott.com SPREAD THE WORD!

          28. conservgirl says

            I am worried that is going to happen in VA where I’m from. One of Clintons cronies is the governor of our state and he has already done plenty. He got it so all the felons here can vote, but he was voted down when he tried to do away with voter ID’s. He is in close contact with the Clinton’s and still fund raises for them. Also Tim Kaine is our senator and he is in the running to be Hillary’s running mate so I’m think all sorts of fraud is going to happen here and my vote won’t count because the voting will be rigged.

          29. MAHB001 says

            The enemy is within…. The fraud has probably already started… Ask yourself, do you know who counts the votes? Do not assume they are not corrupt.

            If not, the answer more than likely is the Clinton elites…

            “It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
            —-Joseph Stalin

        2. Ann Broadhead says

          Once one has read tenets of the Islamic state and the Sharia law fully, then understanding what we must do, is decisive, covert, and deadly.
          The US at Tripoli had to do this and once we have the leadership to do what is needed to destroy completely, any radical Islamic fighters and their supply routes, ideology, and communications.
          This will not be a pretty picture, but as the saying goes, “war is hell.” This should not stop us from hiding from the actions we must take to protect our own people and freedoms that we do love.
          Time to put on our uniforms, grab our guns and get down to serious business!

          1. Jimmy Quick says

            Locked, loaded and ready for bear.

      2. glenn398 says

        Since when did hardly anyone in either house listen to what the people have to say.

        1. MAHB001 says

          Elite Democrats = Elite Republicans = Elite MEDIA = Liberal Progressives = Socialist/Communists.

          This cabal has turned the United States government from “By the People, and for the people,” to by the Elites and for the control of the people..

          That is what Communism is…. The collusion of Big Government and Big Business.

          1. glenn398 says

            Agree with you except under communism there is no such thing as big business, everything is run by the government.

          2. Charlie Wayne Melton says

            It looks like we’re going to have a convention of states to cure this problem…

          3. glenn398 says

            The states bend to the federal government so they can get their bribe that the federal government holds over their head.

          4. MAHB001 says

            I believe that is the only way to instill term limits. Term limits would minimize the effect of the elites passing their “inherited” political positions on to their heirs.

          5. MAHB001 says

            Actually there is, Under Communism, the Government controls the means of production (big business) and here in the United States, the Government establishes that control with laws, fees, and restrictions.

          6. glenn398 says

            It really can’t be compared to a business in the U.S. but have it your way

          7. MAHB001 says

            Are you saying that big business is not the means of production? I don’t get what you are trying to say.

          8. glenn398 says

            I am saying you can’t compare a business in the U.S. to one that is communist run.

          9. MAHB001 says

            Perhaps you are correct, but I think the Capitalism that made our big businesses in the past, is gone….

            America was built on Capitalism, sadly capitalism has been under attack by the left for years…

            Our Government now runs things like our health care, I would imagine our health care system will degrade to something you might compare to in a communist country. Especially the insurance companies, they could not survive without Government help.

          10. glenn398 says

            Government has made it so expensive to operate in this country that is why most go else where. Like Bill Gates said it would cost a billion dollars more to build the same factory here as anywhere else in the world.

          11. MAHB001 says

            Exactly, that is communism (Big Government) taking control of Capitalism.

            Big Government is Communism.

          12. glenn398 says

            Bottom line to me is communism oppresses people’s freedoms and we here are working hard doing the same thing, we just aren’t totally there yet.

          13. MAHB001 says

            I agree with you, we still have fragments of our Constitution keeping some of our freedoms intact…

            Crony Capitalism = Crony Socialism = Communism….

            I also believe:

            Elite Republicans = Elite Democrats = Elite MEDIA = Communists…

          14. glenn398 says

            Remember in the 50’s we had low taxes, freedoms hardly anyone knows of anymore and low crime rates.

          15. MAHB001 says

            Things were simpler back then they say… Unfortunately, I was way too young to remember the 50s.. 🙂 60s maybe..

          16. glenn398 says

            I grew up in the 40’s so remember them well and yes things were simpler then because people were conservative and cared about each other. Simpler because people didn’t cause the problems back then like they do today. Biggest reason for simpler is the government wasn’t trying to be in every corner of your life or trying to control it and we didn’t even know what politically correct even meant.

          17. MAHB001 says

            Returning to the Constitution is the answer. We the People must rally behind and support the Constitution and dishonorably discharge all those in political office that do not support the Constitution by passing unconstitutional laws.. .

          18. glenn398 says

            The problem is how many see it that way. Those on welfare probably don’t care as long as the monthly check keeps coming in, the liberal left are fine with things of today, illegals also, the middle east imports, college kids voted for Sanders a communist ECT. So how do you figure out how many really care anymore.

          19. MAHB001 says

            I believe the liberal left is being used, by those in charge… Just as the conservative right has been used by those in charge…

            Nobody likes to be used…. Even the kids that voted for Sanders do not want to be used….

            I personally don’t believe anything the MEDIA says anymore.. If it doesn’t pass the common sense smell test, it is a lie. Then I try to figure out why they lied, so I can expose what their true intent is.

            For instance, how do we know that those on welfare don’t care as long as the monthly check keeps coming in? I think that statement was designed to divide. I have talked to many on welfare that strive for a better life, yet the Government has created an easier path for them to stay on welfare…. That easy path is a temptation that most can’t see past…

          20. Ed Stahl says

            Amen to that- I was born in 1939! In California, grew up in the Sierra Nevada’s! You are right on! In school We all had pocket knives (was part of living in woods”) several times we took rifles (and fishing poles) to school! Rifle turned in- was put behind door to classroom,- ammunition put in teachers desk! After school you picked up your “gear”, and did “whatever” on you way home! And of course I always felt safer walking through the remote “piney woods” (2 1/2 miles)! Of course my dog came to meet me when I got close enough that he could hear me Whistle! Now it was safe to walk home on those country roads from town (5 miles) at night too! ==== Not now-days!! I got the “:H” out of Calif in 1958, it was tilting even then!

          21. glenn398 says

            Yes was in California in 58 attending my cousins wedding and also looking for a place to move to but even back then didn’t like what I saw. Looking back to what it used to be like it is so sad what it is like now. Even in small towns today you aren’t safe and there seems to be no place in this country today that is.

          22. TheBlues says

            We have so many socialistic programs going now, it’s scary. More, and we are so much closer to communism. Refugees must be stopped. If not, Democrats will the the single party to rule America for our lifetimes. All blacks, hispanics, muslims and refugees all vote democratic. The future is scary.

          23. MAHB001 says

            Yes it is scary, we must resist on all fronts… Do what you can where you can.

          24. glenn398 says

            Actually it is the white male that is the last resistance in this country. We know the blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, multi voting, votes from the grave are heavy democratic voters and it is the women that push them over the top. Unless things change the majority of women now think it is time for a woman president, no other reason except it is time for one.

        2. Korean_Vet says

          When it’s necessary to do your own ‘Research’–Do IT “Took nearly 3 months
          to research “Congressional Records”–Finally Found That We had “Help from
          one Pres a–long time ago”-! An existing Fed Law -voted by both parties in
          Congress by overwhelming votes–& signed by the President with “Teeth in it”
          5 years in Fed. Prison & $10,000 Fine–never been repealed & has full-powers-!
          Type in–“1954 Com. Control Act–signed by Pres. Eisenhower”–He left us a
          Present & We should “Find a Way to Use It”-! It also refers to “AKA” which
          covers everything very nicely & firmly-! “Cheers–You’ve Got Mail & Jails”-!

          1. glenn398 says

            Somehow am missing your point as to do your own research

          2. Korean_Vet says

            It’s very simple–“We need more Voters to do their own Research
            to find out ‘What the True Facts Are’–I’m tired of having to do as
            much of the Research as I can–without Help from other People”-!
            It’s essential for everyone to provide “Proven Facts” to (Todays)
            World of Lies & Truth-! George Soros in 2007 bought a controlling
            interest in 30 Major U.S. TV News Media–so He could “Censor”
            any Democrat “Scandals” particularly concerning President Obama-!
            One event prior to President Obama being Elected–was a ‘Scandal–
            Revealed’ by our U.S. INS–where they discovered that Obama Sr.
            in 1964 had gotten a 2nd High School Girl P.G. while he attended
            Harvard in MA-! The Scandal was carried by the overseas News-
            Papers–London’s “Telegraph” & “Asia News International”–they
            were ‘all over that Scandal’–but the America Public was “Lulled to
            Sleep” by Soros Paid Reporters–“Total Censorship on that Subject”-!
            Not one word–was printed or even mentioned where Obama Sr.
            “Paid the High School Girl’s Trip to London–* she got an abortion
            there–since Abortions were Illegal in the USA during the 1960’s-!
            Harvard wanted him Gone–because he was giving their College a
            bad Reputation-! (If this scandal; had broken the News–perhaps
            it would have ‘Affected some Votes’-! Instead “White Paint Covers
            Up”–The Truth-! The girl said she had gone to London to visit her
            Sister–but INS checked her story & found she didn’t have a single
            relative there-! When INS disclosed their findings–“Scandal was
            all over Europe–but Not the United States–‘caise Soros Censored
            IT-!

          3. glenn398 says

            Don’t think the fact that the news is controlled by the left is news to anyone with a brain and it has been for quite a while. As far as Obama who knows as so many thought it was time for a black to be president and had nothing to do with him or his relatives background. If they had just looked at what Obama;s background was that in itself would have been more than enough to know what kind of person him and his wife was.

          4. MAHB001 says

            Glenn, do not underestimate the power of the MEDIA…

            Without the MEDIA, 0bama would not be in office, and Hillary, Lois Lerner, and Eric Holder would be in jail….

            To say that anyone with a brain does not believe the MEDIA anymore is simply wrong. When immersed in the lefts MEDIA bias, the bias is impossible to see.

            It is up to those that can see the bias and corruption in the MEDIA to do something about it… Otherwise, the MEDIA will continue on in its Goebbels like ways…

            Fight the Liberal MEDIA at: http://www.madashellboycott.com

          5. glenn398 says

            No my point is anyone with a brain knows the media lies, twists the facts and can’t be trusted

          6. MAHB001 says

            Got it..

          7. MAHB001 says

            Excellent post, thank you for your service…

            And thank you for your patriotism.

            And thank you for sharing knowledge.

      3. MAHB001 says

        We all do what we can where we can. I would not discount the actions of the keyboard warriors. These efforts help correct public opinion… They are not acts of cowardice.

        My fight is with the MEDIA. I do not believe that 0bama would be in office without a corrupt MEDIA.

        Fight the liberal MEDIA at: http://www.madashellboycott.com

        1. Gerry Costa says

          DAMN MAHB — you are making a lot of sense this morning. Our actions have to start somewhere and the internet goes all over the world. I just wonder how many people who talk revolution are really prepared for the devastation and death it will bring with it.

          1. MAHB001 says

            Thank you my Friend…. My hopes is that our revolution can be as peaceful as the one the liberal progressives have run so far…

            My hopes is that people will wake up and realize that the direction that the Democrat party is taking the country is the wrong way, and it is NOT inevitable.

            We must fight to keep the truth from being buried by these criminals in charge.

      4. Bob Marcum says

        Not everybody has the physical and financial abilities, to take off and travel to the gates of congress.

      5. James Pearce says

        You should take your own advice. Many of Americans have been hounding the government about this, but when you have a group of monkeys for many representatives all they do is pick fleas off one another grooming or sitting around with their hands over their eyes or fingers in their ears. The rest are trying to figure out how to corner the banna market for themselves.

        1. Jeffrey Grimes says

          What else do you do with an animal that cannot perform, but take it out back and euthanize it?

      6. cvxxx says

        Don’t make the mistake of wanting a war the politicians would not let the military win. We need no Vietnam redux.

    3. fred says

      Exactly, MAHB!

    4. daveveselenak says

      That is a big AMEN, why doesn’t the pseudo-intellectuals on the Right and the demonic psychopath’s suicidal sheeple that support this evil entity see the light – evidently they too like the darkness!

    5. Marilynn Reeves says

      AMEN. We should be listening to our Generals.

    6. Tiger says
  4. MAHB001 says

    Civilians are paying the price for 0bama’s inaction. Perhaps we should give Hillary some credit too.

  5. David in MA says

    “There are really only two things standing in our way: Our fear of losing American soldiers and our fear of causing mass civilian casualties.”

    As terrible as it may be, where would the world be now if this mentality had persisted during WW2, you piss ant communist college educated millenniums know what WW2 was don’t you?

    1. anibanib says

      WW2 was awar mainly in Europé, Americans civilans didnt know what it was like and still dont……59 million died in WW2 mostly were civilans

      1. Elizabeth Raynor Short says

        don’t forget the huge part of wwii in the far east against japan. it was horrific,

        1. anibanib says

          Were you there??????

          1. Elizabeth Raynor Short says

            no, i wasn’t. knew quite a few vets in my small hometown who endured the bataan death march when japanese overran thepphilippines. they obviously also survived the barbaric capitivity and came home . it was very difficult to get anyone to say anything about the specifics. my uncle was a pilot in the war against japan.

          2. anibanib says

            This is a big problem with American Citizens, most of them knew someone or had a relative who knew someone who was there………,but very few if any American Citizens know what war is all about. Both of the big wars the USA was 100% untouched at home, and the only news they got was days or weeks old and was seen at the Movies newsreels……….I can assure you that wars re extremely very nasty, I was in England autumn 1940 as a Child…..we were bombed day and night for 3 months.well over 60000 civilians were killed, and most major cities were in ruins, and the stench of burnt mutilated bodies every morning on my way to school………autumn 1940, whilst the USA was still in Germany manufacturing weapons for the Nazis

          3. Elizabeth Raynor Short says

            well, i’m sorry i’m not old enough to have been personally involved, but i do know war is hell.

          4. Elizabeth Raynor Short says

            no, merely (sarcasm) financing nazis. and the british, too. both countries had (have?) powerful fascist groups. people who did “business” with nazis throughout the war. but no one i know. how about you? and a man named mckittrick, an american, headed the bank of international settlements throughout the war, which was a nazi construct that still exists today. BIS made it possible for nazis to continue to do international throughout the war. disgraceful !

          5. anibanib says

            Here are few names ofromthe USA…………Ford Motor Company had several factories in NaziGermany manufactuing 10sof thousands of Heavy trucks for the Nazis…….Prescott Bush…….big financier to Germany, the US Roschild Bank……all heavily involved until Dec 1941 when Hitler declared war on the USA

          6. Elizabeth Raynor Short says

            that’s right – and correct about prescott. he was the one left holding the bag. his father-in-law was in banking with harriman (can’t think of his first name right now) in bank that became brown brothers – harriman (brown brothers being brit, (i think). anyway harriman and walker (prescott’s father-in-law) allowed prescott to head union bank, which was related to harriman and walker’s bank. and they used union to finance nazis. other financiers include what is now city bank and jp morgan chase, both of new york. i’m sure there are others. i always thought it was “odd” that prescott was the only one to get in trouble. none of the bigger banks doing same thing or any person connected to them ever got in trouble as far as i know. and like i told you. the bank of international settlements, cooked up by schact so germany could continue to do int’l business during war, was headed by mckittrick throught the war. he was american. no wonder the air smells familiar, eh?

          7. anibanib says

            Thanks for your input, surprising what one can find on the Internet………and as I am aSwede, I usually get the “iron ore” sold to Germany during the war, which is true,Sweden was neutral right thru WW2, Sweden also sold vast quantites of ball bearnings to the USA and allies……….SKF being the biggest ball bearing maker and still is in the World………no ball bearings………. and all machinery stands still

          8. Elizabeth Raynor Short says

            watch a video on youtube called “9/11 to jfk everything is a rich man’s trick”.it’s very factual. also listen to joseph p. farrell. a good place to hear good conversations with him is “forum borealis” his thesis is tthat nazis survived wwii as well-funded extra-territorial organization. listen to the nazi conversations in order. i like his books.

          9. anibanib says

            Thanks so much, the U Tube video is a very long film, will watch it tonite

          10. Elizabeth Raynor Short says

            i just looked at part of the “jfk to 9/11…..” video again on youtube. i don’t think he put the facts together correctly in a way to really get to te root of it, putting too much emphasis on cia and organized as top of heap which they surely not, but he does at least mention the facts and mentions the fascists at top. gives a few names in wwii period, but not enough. gives names of some sa companies. stays away from rothschildts and rockefellers, e.g. listen to joseph p, farrell at forum borealis on youtube.

      2. glenn398 says

        Don’t forget what they call civilians were also the people working in factories building war materials. So that being true it is hard to determine just how many real civilians were killed.

      3. Amil Baker says

        anibanib: What you are saying is partially true. But the civilians knew and worked hard in the war effort by turning our factories into building war planes and ships and making bombs.
        have you heard of “Rosie the Riveter” and her picture in all the ads, plus a lot of other civilians that supported the war effort. They did not all go overseas to fight but they were
        building the planes and Ferrying them across the sea to the Battle zones. That is just a small part of the effort. There was also food rationing and clothing and other stuff was sure hard to get. AMERICA SURVIVED. I was there working on a farm to raise food even though I was only 7 years old when Pearl Harbor was bombed.

        1. anibanib says

          the European war started in Sept 1939, whilst you Yanks were still arming and helping the Nazis…….and it wasnt until the springof 1942 that US Soldiers appeared in Europé, sure there was some lend lease program going on at that time………….and if my memory serves me well the UK paid off its final payment to the USA from WW2 in 2006, so nothing was free

      4. Mathew Molk says

        I’m sure the Marines who were getting their asses shot off in the Pacific would be glad to hear that most of WWII was fought in Europe. The 200,000 that were killed in the Tokyo fire bomb raid would likely take issue with your version of WWII too. – Another example of a liberal arts education.

        1. anibanib says

          With all due respect to YOUR marines, the European war started in Sept 1939, whilst yiu Yanks were still arming and helping the Nazis…….and it wasnt until the springof 1942 that US Soldiers appeared in Europe

    2. glenn398 says

      Easy answer either we would be speaking German or Japanese, at least those of us they felt were worth letting live.

    3. Mathew Molk says

      No they didn’t ever have any exposure to any actual history that was not re-written to suite the PC liberal mealy mouth agenda…. There are cases of school teachers calling it “World War Eleven” !

      I had to go to Vietnam and am still pissed they never turned the dogs of war loose. Inside of 6 months we would ingshave been fighting each other for something to do.

      Doing “Humanitarians” never won a war. You do that by killing people and breaking things and we have lots of brave us Military personal to get the job done.

      So what’s it going to be? Our wives and children dead or their wives and children dead? It’s going to be one or the other. I cannot change that any more then I can the laws of physics.

      1. Korean_Vet says

        “Shooting Blanks Makes a Lot of Noise–but without the Lead Wins no Wars”-!
        I have Newspaper Clippings from 1994–which shows “Freedom of Information
        Acts” disclosing “Top Secrets” that had “Memos from Govt. Lawyers which
        advised them to “Make everything ‘Top Secret’ to reduce the Chance of ‘Civil
        Lawsuits for Injuries & deaths-! So for 40 years–Americans remained “Fat,
        Dumb & Happy”-! (Quote–News Headlines 1994) “Fallout Hit Entire U.S. in
        1050’s Tests” (1st paragraph) Washington–“People as far away as the East
        Coast may have been exposed to as much radiation fallout from 250 Atomic
        Tests in NV in the 1950s as residents directly downwind from the Nevada
        Blasts, according to Information from a Nat’l Cancer Institute study”-! (We
        “Lost John Wayne & his camera-crew from Cancers when they Filmed on a Atomic Fallout Area-!) Atomic pollution has a deadly ‘Half-Life of 60 yrs-!
        (Joe Biden recently “lost his Son” from Cancer this last year-!) I’ve estimated
        that nearly 4 million people have died of “Radiation-caused” Cancers & just
        note Obituary Cancer Deaths in your Newspapers–no City is Immune-! In
        the 1950s–Unwary Americans were used as “Guinea-Pigs” on Secret “Atomic
        Radiation Tests” under the Democrat Majority–which followed the Death of
        President Roosevelt–under Truman-! The distant feeling (Today) of
        “Exposing Americans to unknown Hazards”–is shown by TSA-Run X-Rays–
        despite evidence in the past–of ‘X-Ray Hazards of “Damaging ‘Eye-Sight’,
        Causing Cancer–Destroying ‘red-blood cells’ & ‘Causing Sterilizations–with
        out Permission of these “Victims’ of our Big Government-! We can point out
        also–a “Obvious Disregard for Human Life”–of unfeeling acts of over 50
        Million Baby Abortions-! (Plus–“Death Panels” for Seniors & Veterans in
        Obama-Care–where 207,000 Veterans Died waiting for 1st Appointments
        for VA Hospitalizations-! Some Vets applications were ‘Thrown away’ to
        extend the waiting periods-! All were Goals of a “Democrat Majority” for
        Votes-! U.S. Govt “Did Practice ‘Acts of Terrorism”–against it’s own
        Citizens–who didn’t need any more enemies after they’d won WWII-!
        (“Personally–I “Lost my young 13 yr-old Brother, My Dad, & my 2 Grand-
        Parents when they came to visit & drank our “Atomic Polluted Water’ from
        our “Open Windmill Water Well” & “2 years after my Dad died of Cancer”,
        my Mom remarried my Step-Dad & they ‘Removed 1/2 his Jaw & 1/2 of
        his Tongue & he Died”–which makes 5 ‘Close Family Members” that we
        Lost to Atomic Fallout Cancers-! (We were nearly ‘bankrupt from Doctor
        & Hospital Bills-& this Democrat Government Drew their Salaries from
        UCLA–that were “Killing Us”-! (How Many of you Voters have “Lost”
        Family Members during the Last 40 Years from Cancers-! “Feds Were
        the ‘Virus’ that Gave Us Cancers”–We have another Presidential Election
        Coming up–“Do You Trust These Democrats with Your Lives & Kids Again”!
        Be sure You “Look at a Past Record of Killing over 4 million Americans–
        besides 50 million “helpless Babies”-!

  6. Gunflint Roseberg says

    Something Obama’s Media isn’t telling the USA…It’s coming here soon…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD7UA1d-WnA

    1. Jeffrey Grimes says

      Keep doomsaying from the comfort of your computer while nothing is actually done by the People of this nation that have the power to fix it. Typical.

      1. Gunflint Roseberg says

        Who says nothing is being done ? You are not active with your Senators, Congressmen calling, writing, stopping down at the Capital showing support for Vets, fighting off Gun Control & the constant attacks on our Rights ? I Am…Or are you a Liberal troll, hoping Hillary will take care of you ?? Are you even a Vet ?

        1. Jeffrey Grimes says

          Am I a veteran? No, but I see a nation falling apart, and people that seem to think that the political playground is the way to fix it. Washington didn’t play politics with The British. He SHOT THEM, or had them CAPTURED. We have little to no backbone to actually fix the problem while making an example for those who would dare try what Obama and his lackeys have done.

          Obama, Bush, and Clinton are all CRIMINALS. Yet we don’t have the spine to PUNISH THEM AS SUCH.

          1. Gunflint Roseberg says

            Yes Jeffrey..It might come down to “We The People” if this mess is going to be straightened out. But it has to & must be “United We Stand”. Both sides the aisle is worthless or it would not have gone this far. People can do something even if they are not physically capable. Keep the heat on our Politicians, call & demand change, make them nervous, let them know everyday were watching. Call TV Media expressing just how worthless they really are. And for their sponsors ? I’ve contacted many telling them I refuse to buy their products because who they were advertising with. If we do things as simple as that,
            it will make a difference.

          2. glenn398 says

            It might come down to, I don’t think there is any question that it will come down to we the people, especially if Hillary get elected.

          3. Gunflint Roseberg says

            Agreed….Think the Dems are ready to throw her under the bus yet ??

          4. glenn398 says

            No, the only thing I can give the democrats credit for is no matter what they stick together as it makes no difference to them what kind of trash is before them, it is all about winning no matter what.

          5. Gunflint Roseberg says

            Liberals—-No Values, no Morales, no Patriotism—No Hope

          6. glenn398 says

            They have been running the country for several decades now especially since Johnson’s great society and you can see where we are today.

          7. Gunflint Roseberg says

            Its going to be a very rough road back. If it comes to that, we will give them no quarter.

          8. glenn398 says

            With what Obama has done to this country and put in place for future problems I question if we can recover from this.

          9. Gunflint Roseberg says

            If Trump gets in & with enough Patriotic support, it can be done……If Hillary gets in, it will be the final nail in America’s coffin.

          10. glenn398 says

            Will agree with you on that one as today this country is on the brink of total disaster.

        2. ringostarr1 says

          Jeffery likely lives in Syria and so he can’t vote.

          1. Gunflint Roseberg says

            OK Ringo..We will just call him an acceptable casualty.

  7. Roy F Wilt says

    There are no innocent bystanders in ISIS!!!!! ISIS has already Killed them!!!!!!!!!!! Hasn’t anyone watched the News? Every Civilian there supports ISIS! Obama just doesn’t want to get rid of what he Created!!!!!

  8. MILES E DRAKE says

    Every military coward, incompetent and traitor through history has claimed that his fecklessness and dereliction of duty was motivated by a desire to avoid civilian casualties. The muslim marxist from Mombasa is not so bothered by civilian casualties from islamic terror attacks, or when the civilians are white victims of the Bloods, the Crips and the domestic Mau Mau that his regime is building into a revolutionary army. This African-born Indonesian quisling and the corupt mendacious daughter of Sappho he wants to foist upon us next need to be speedily put in the same dustbin of failure and disaster as Ambrose Burnside. George McClellan and “Fighting Joe” Hooker.

    1. ringostarr1 says

      Remember, Mohammed taught his Jihadist that everyone that they killed in this life would return as the Jihadist slave in the next life. Seeing that the Jihadist are religious fanatics they have absolutely no reason or desire to avoid necessary causalities. These fanatics view dead corpses as laying up treasures in Heaven to enjoy in the afterlife.

  9. anibanib says

    bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

  10. Eleanore Whitaker says

    Which is it boys? You want more firepower to take on ISIS or the right to bitch about Obama using drones to reduce the number killed? YOu pricks don’t make a whit of sense. YOu bitch if Obama puts more troops on the ground. You bitch if he uses more drones. You bitch if there’s a single death in the MIddle East and as usual, you pathetic mentally deranged pricks blame Obama.

    Can’t make up your minds, can you dickheads? So you armchair military strategists sit there day after day finding more BS lies and fantasies.

    Tell you what fukkaroos…you want more troops on the ground? Get off your asses and enlist instead of sitting on those jumbo Trailer Trash asses day after day bitching till the cows come home. Truth hurts doesn’t it?

    1. glenn398 says

      Think the real problem is determining just who’s side he is on and from the way he has handled race relations in the U.S. to me his only program is to destroy this country.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker says

        Because I had an article to write on the Great Depression and the Robber Barons of the late 1890s to 1900s, it occurs to me that Trump is like three of those Robber Barons: Mellon. Carnegie and J.P. Morgan. My research on these 3 showed they hated and despised each other intensely. There was not a single time when they could agree on anything.

        Yet, in order to stop the anti-trust laws of Teddy Roosevelt, they were willing to meet to discuss in their words, “how to buy the president WE want.”

        But there’s more than just their willingness to band together and put their hatred aside to preserve their autonomy in monopolies. Curiously, from all of the reading on did on these men, they had this bizarre idea that one of them, after buying they president they wanted, would become the world’s most powerful man.

        Not only does politics make strange bedfellows, it also furthers the idea of absolute power…ergo The Donald’s only reason for running for president.

        1. ringostarr1 says

          Eleanore’s words reminds me of the Saudi Oil Sheikhs who are as I type are buying the 2016 Presidential Election for their Pet Infidel Hillary Clinton.

        2. glenn398 says

          That’s your opinion but would rather have Donald’s reason for running for president then the reason Obama did.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker says

            Are you just plain stupid or did you come by it by being dropped on your head? I live in NJ. You ALL of the taxes dumped on you like we have from Trump and his bankruptcies? Obama was elected because though your ENFORCERS of the RIGHT hate to admit it, you were outnumbered by REAL Americans not you Stars and Bars BS phonies all pretending you are patriots.

            Obama was elected BECAUSE we are tired of asses of the right always trying to takeover government. Got news for you Rebel…You are about to get another ass dumping come Nov. McConnell, McCain and several others political seats are up for grabs. Blue is the only way I vote. Not red as in Angry White Middle Aged Jackasses who can’t support themselves without running to Mommy and Daddy for help.

          2. glenn398 says

            Since real Americans seem to consist of welfare votes, blacks, Mexican, votes from the grave and multi voters think I don’t want to be a real American then.

          3. Eleanore Whitaker says

            Have you bothered to get the facts beak brain? Mississippi is No. 1 in welfare recipients. The other 9 states in the top ten who receive welfare are ALL Republican states. Your post is about as much BS as it takes to load a landfill in a day.

            Texas has more Hispanics working in dirty, unsafe Big Oil jobs at salaries no one up north would dare work for.

            And you want to explain why it is Texas Tom DeLay got his ass in trouble in the mid 2000s for trying to redistrict so that Dem votes were cut? You want to tell us why the 2004 election came down to the President’s brother’s state and those hanging chads?

            You want to tell us just why it is the GOP gerrymanders more often in a decade than any of the Dems? Post facts. Not bullshit.

          4. glenn398 says

            You want to tell me why in several Philly districts not one republican vote was cast or in Florida along with the Black Panthers running away voters they didn’t think would vote democratic. How about Johnson winning the senate with votes from the grave or one district had more democratic votes than registered voters. As far as redistricting for one party or the other both parties do that so don’t make it sound like the democrats are just innocent bystanders.

          5. Eleanore Whitaker says

            I cane tell you haven’t spent much time in Philadelphia have you? The majority of Phildelphia’s population today are blacks. Back in the 50s, it was Italians. Italian men can be notoriously racist. The minute minorities began moving into Philadelphia due to the low income jobs the city offered, the Guidos moved out.

            Johnson never won Senate votes from the grave jackass. He refused his second term. How stupid are you?

            Not one single thing you posted has legal documentation.

            The Democrats do not need redistricting. States that are loyally Democratic vote that way. You are just making up bullshit stories to prove some illogical point that makes no sense. Republicans are right wingers are notorious for trying to always prove negatives.

            I should know I was a Republican woman for 33 years. If I don’t know the GOP by now, I never will…I am ashamed of what you right wing liars have done to that party and YOU should be too.

          6. glenn398 says

            No matter what I posted you would say the same thing. So you are telling me there isn’t a single black that would vote republican in Philly. Doubt you were ever a republican and if you were for 33 years right wing wouldn’t have bothered you. Think you are a true democratic welfare woman.

          7. Eleanore Whitaker says

            Here is the stats from the Philadelphia PA website…I said there are black voters and I am now going to prove it:

            “In the past decade, Democratic registration has basically stayed the same, with Republican registration dipping from 17 percent of registered voters in 2003 to 11 percent this year. Of the 2015 registered voters, 776,750 are registered Democrats (78.6 percent), 110,944 are Republican (11.2 percent), 6,717 are Independent (.7 percent) and 93,327 are registered with another party (9.5 percent).” (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/heardinthehall/Registered_Democrats_still_outnumber_Republicans_7_to_1.html)

            So…NO single black voter for the Republicans? Or just you making up more moronic lies?

            No one is voting Republican but assholes of the south and midwest. And only because figure Trump will slosh them with freebies like the freeloaders they are.

          8. glenn398 says

            You blacks vote democrat because they have been the party that always pays your welfare and expects nothing out of you worthless people but to keep voting democratic.

    2. Mathew Molk says

      So Ellie, As i have asked you MANY times before. Just what was your MOS? You have to have been in combat to be the military expert you are.

      BTW, Snotball, I was a Combat Engineer in Vietnam – You know our saying to all the war protesters don’t you? “If you haven’t been there then shut the fuck up!”

      1. anibanib says

        I admire your bravery…………but WHY?????????????????was the USA and others there……….

  11. fred says

    BHO intentionally created ISIS by abandoning Billions of military hardware and ordinance-“ammo” so the militants would pick it up and start killing their own in the name of “religion”, I think it’s clear the longer we wait the worse this situation is getting…all according to BHO’s sinister plan!

  12. Mathew Molk says

    How to loose a war,,,,Do NOT do things like we did in WWII – Do things like we did in Vietnam.

    Face facts, It’s us or them. Who would you rather see dead?

    1. anibanib says

      But why was the USA in Vietnam…………it for sure wasnt for OIL,Like Iraq twice and the USA is still in there after 26 yrs……PLUS

  13. Gerry Costa says

    These “innocent” civilians should be fighting isis themselves. By their inaction, they are making themselves victims. We have bombs and missiles that can hit the head of a nail from miles away. so I’m told by some military people, so why not use them. My war was B-52 strikes and Napalm which is out of the question here but why not use our technology.

  14. Tiger says

    Well this is a rough video, I am warning anyone who watches it but when we look at what the enemy is doing across the world, stabbing people, hacking them, burning them alive, burying them alive, decapitating, mutilating, running people over with trucks get off it people stand up and be accounted for before it is you and your family.

    And it will be if they are not stopped.
    http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/graphic-footage-of-actual-muslim-slaughterhouse-for-christian-organs-released/

  15. GuardianFlame says

    If Trump isn’t elected, our Nation will not lie down and let the liberal elitists (who don’t follow their own radical laws) walk over them. We the People will rise to the occasion and remove the scum of money lovers and power players and give America back to the people where it belongs. The elitists will never see it coming because they “think” their worlds are secure and protected. No one is unreachable and there is always a weak link on every chain… They are fools to think we will put up with their perversion of our Freedoms — they are wrong…and they will find out!

  16. jon says

    be on alert at all times and you might live to a ripe old age

  17. Dave Campbell says

    Innocent civilians have died in great numbers in every war that ever was. It is one of the reasons that war should be avoided whenever possible. However, I suggest that the folks who constantly wring thier hands about innocent civilian casualties, and use this as a reason why we can’t fight our enemies, should research how many French civilians died as a direct result of allied military action in defeating the Nazis in WW2. This exercise can be repeated for Italians after thier surrender, Philippinoes, etc., etc. It’s just the way it is.

    1. anibanib says

      IMO……as long as US Citizens at home are spared the horrors of war on American soil, they will continue to support military actions against civilians ………often military actions are needed………..but until you have actually had foreign military action on US soil, perhaps one should Think more than once………..it is not HOLLYWOOD……..

      1. Dave Campbell says

        I disagree. First, I reject your statement that “…(Americans) will continue to support military actions against civilians…” Americans have never supported military action against civilians, certainly not modern Americans. (Yes there were massive bombings of civilians in WW2, but that was the technology then, sometimes they couldn’t even hit the city let alone the military targets in it.) Invariably the entire point is about civilian casualties or, what is refered to somewhat euphemistically as, collateral damage. If it were possible to conduct military action and only kill bad guys, we wouldn’t even be talking about this. (Now THAT would be a smart bomb, one that only killed who you wanted it to kill and left civilians unharmed who were standing right next to them.)

        Second, when the horrors of war are brought to the population, it doesn’t make them all clamour for peace (a few do) but entrenches them further unto the the us vs. them mentality. This is part of the reason that the bad guys purposely hide amongst inocent civilians hoping to cause as many civilian casualties as possible and blame it on us. But who really kills them? Yes, we dropped the bomb, but they are the ones that want the inocent to die.

        1. anibanib says

          Butthe problem is, the American population at home have never ever experienced the horrors of war at first hand………….we have in Europé, autumn 1940 the Germans killed 64000 in 3months, mostly civilians in the raids over populated areas of many cities, and that is a fact cos I was there…….at the same time the USA was working with and supporting the Nazis

          1. Dave Campbell says

            I’m sorry you were there and had to go through that. However the notion that the USA was “working with and supporting the Nazis” is nonsense (there may have been individuals that were sympithetic to the Nazi cause as well as a small Nazi party movement in the USA, just as I know that there was where you are from, but that is far from national policy). You have been misinformed by some people that do not have your best interest at heart. The USA did as much as it could to support Britain in it’s fight against the Nazis, short of war, because we wanted nothing to do with war at the time, mostly because of the reasons you are talking about. So you are kind of wanting it both ways. We shouldn’t get involved in wars because of all the civilian casualties but we should have gotten into WW2 sooner. You either fight the war or you don’t, and many times war is forced on you. One could make the argument that had the Western powers intervened early on, like say when Hitler reoccupied the Ruhr, that a shorter, smaller war, with all of it’s civilian casualties, would have prevented the larger uglier war that happened.

            Your notion that Americans support wars (or military action) against civilians in general, and do so because we have never expirienced the horrors of war at home, is just misguided opinion based on miseducation by those that have an agenda that ultimately will not be good for you or me. We don’t use military action against civilians for the purpose of attacking civilians; That’s what the other guys do.

          2. anibanib says

            You didnt use two nuclear weapons against Japanese civilians………..pull the other leg…………the terrible bombing of German cities towards the end of WW2………sure the Nazis did the same on British cities………and I know cos I was there……were you

          3. Dave Campbell says

            Once again, sorry you were there. However, the “I was there and you weren’t so my opinion counts more than yours” argument doesn’t fly with me. But then, this is your whole original argument, isn’t it. This is a typical tool of leftests to shut down debate. I’m not saying that you don’t mean what you say, or don’t have strong opinions or feelings on the issue, it just doesn’t make you automatically right. (By the way, you might want to check out the American civil war and rethink the notion that Americans have not expirienced the horrors of war on our own soil. These memories were a part of the strong motivation to stay out of WW1, and combined with those expiriences, to stay out of WW2.)

            I already addressed the bombing in WW2 (briefly), however, if we had not dropped the A bombs and made a conventional assault on the home islands instead, there is every indication that there would have been far, far more civilian (and military) casualties, possibly even to the point of destroying the Japanese culture. It is better to cruelly end a war, than to cause a much greater cruelty by continuing a war in a misguided effort to not be so cruel.

            In Germany, once again, the technology was not there. The only way to bomb war industry was to bomb the whole city. In fact, if my history serves me correctly, the area bombing, carried out by the British, was actually more effective than the “precision” bombing (in an attempt to limit civilian casualties as well as hit the target), carried out by the Americans (a fact that was a big part of the decision to fire bomb in Japan). If you want to talk about Dresden, you would have a point. That was controversial even during the war and probably should not have been done. Chalk that one up as a mistake in the heat of battle; although that would be of little comfort to the victims (note that was carried out by “bomber” Harris, not the US).

            We are unlikely to come to agreement so I will leave you here. Feel free to respond but I am done writing. I wish you well.

          4. anibanib says

            Justin case you missed my comment, here it is again………..

            …………Good Points you make…….stop coddling the USAs gullible Citizens……….here in Europé OUR media show the dead and dying bodies in the street……….the USAs problem is that you have never ever had a modern war on your own soil, but the terrible things are still happening………and its not a Hollywood movie
            ………………………A MODERN WAR…..not the US civil war

        2. anibanib says

          Now sit still read and learn……………..lesson Nr ONE…..

          Prescott Bush. he was the one left holding the bag. his father-in-law was in banking with harriman (can’t think of his first name right now) in bank that became brown brothers – harriman (brown brothers being brit, (i think). anyway harriman and walker (prescott’s father-in-law) allowed prescott to head union bank, which was related to harriman and walker’s bank. and they used union to finance nazis. other financiers include what is now city bank and jp morgan chase, both of new york. i’m sure there are others. i always thought it was “odd” that prescott was the only one to get in trouble. none of the bigger banks doing same thing or any person connected to them ever got in trouble as far as i know. the bank of international settlements, cooked up by schact so germany could continue to do int’l business during war, was headed by mckittrick throught the war. he was american. no wonder the air smells familiar, eh?………..and that is only for starters

  18. Korean_Vet says

    (Feds are the “Virus” that Gave Us Cancer-! ) Want to Know some “Top Secrets”–now disclosed by
    “Freedom of Information Acts” Disclosures-!? In 1950s–“Unwary Americans were used as ‘Guinea-
    Pigs’ for Secret ‘Atomic Radiation Fallout’ Tests during the Democrat-Majority–which followed the
    Deaths of President Roosevelt–under Truman-! This distant feeling (Today) of “Exposing Americans
    to unknown Hazards”–is still shown by TSA-run X-Rays–despite–evidence in the past–of ‘X-Rays
    Hazards’–of “Causing Cancers–Destroying ‘red-blood cells’–Damaging ‘sensitive Eye-Cells’-Causing
    Sterilizations’–without Permission of these Victims” of our Big Government-! We can also point out a
    “Obvious Disregard for Human Life”–of unfeeling act of over 50 Million Baby Abortions-! (Plus–‘Death
    Panels’ for Obama-Care for Seniors & 207,000 Veterans Deaths awaiting 1st Appointments for VA
    Hospitalizations-! All were Goals of a “Democrat Majority”–for Votes-! U.S. Govt. Did practice–“Acts
    of Terrorism”–against it’s own citizens–who didn’t need ‘more enemies’ after winning WWII-! (But also
    after That–was the News Headline that reads) “Panel Seeks Cold War Testing Info” & is followed by
    1st paragraph–which reads “Thousands of Americans were subjected to ‘secret chemical & germ
    warfare tests’ during the Cold War era” (3rd paragraph) “Some people died as a result of secret tests
    that ‘Sound like something out of a ‘science-fiction’ novel”-! (President Clinton was informed of this &
    ending up doing nothing–within the same article) Now then–some previous Facts “John Wayne & his
    entire camera-crew ‘died from Cancers’ when they filmed in a atomic radiation fallout area” from 250
    Atomic Tests in Nevada-! (Most Atomic Pollutions have a deadly “Half-Life” of over 60 years) I have
    Newspaper Clippings published of the Freedom of Information Acts “Disclosures” from 1994–which
    verified “These Hidden Secrets”–which originally Lawyers advised the Fed Govt. to “Make everything
    ‘Top Secret’ by Memos–to reduce the chance of Civil Lawsuits for Injury & death damages”-! Now–I
    want to show ‘Headlines from 1994′–which verified the Dangers our Citizens Faced-! “Fallout Hit Entire
    U.S. in 1950s Tests”- (1st paragraph) “Washington–People as far away as the East Coast may have
    been exposed to as much radiation fallout from nuclear tests in the 1950s as residents directly down-
    wind from the Nevada Blasts, according to information from Nat’l Cancer Institute Study”–44 yrs later?
    (Personally–I “Lost my only 13 yr-old younger Brother, My Dad, “Two Grandparents” who cam to visit
    & died when they drank “Out Atomic–Polluted Water” from our “open windmill water-well” & a Step-dad
    whom my Mom married 2 years after my Dad Died-! (On Him–they removed 1/2 his Jaw & Tongue &
    he died shortly afterward-! (Now then–Politician Families are immune either) “Joe Biden Lost his Son
    from Cancer this last year–by these 250 NV Tests which reached the East Coastlines” How about the
    Rest of your Families–“Has Cancer Hit your Family during the last 40 years”-! (And one Recent Study
    “Autism has Jumped over 50% during the last 5 Years among children under 12 years old-! (Recent News Headlines) “TSA SCANNERS RADIATION–!0 TIMES–HIGHER THAN EXPECTED-!” (Ouch-!)
    “It’s not unusual for X-Rays–if they can “alter cells’ to cause Cancer, damage ‘eye-cells’ & Destroy
    Sexual-Function Cells”–So Let’s See–what happens–if “X-Rays” are used on the (tender) “Brain-Cells”
    of growing Young Children-! Place a Slice of Bacon in a “micro-wave oven” for 2 minutes-! What
    Happens–“The Bacon Gets FRIED”-! Is That–what’s happening–on TSA-Run “X-Rays”-!/ With a
    “Full Naked Body Scan’ at 10 X’s Power–every part of the Body is being Blasted”-! Kids are either
    “Brain-Damaged, Sterilized, or Fined”-! TSA running ‘naked scans’ with micro-waves these last 10
    years–are legal “Criminal Actions” which injures Children”-! Isn’t it Time now–for a “Class-Action”
    Lawsuit of “20 Billion Dollars” for a “Slush-Fund” for Kids–“Injured by this ‘Machine’ & TSA”-! And
    now–with another Presidential Election coming Up–“Every American should look at the Democrat
    Records–“Estimating 5 Million Cancer Deaths of American Citizens, by Atomic Radiation Exposures,
    “Deadly Chemical & Nerve-Gas Exposures, & the Final Insult–Exposed your Children to “Autism” &
    Sterilizations-! Are You Sure–That You Want To Trust Another Democrat Administration with your
    Lives & Children’s Health-!? Look at What they “Secretly Did Before”–“Will You Dare Trust Them
    Again”-! (I Hope Your Mothers Didn’t Raise Fools-!) “Will You Lend Me $500 until next Pay Day”-!
    I Hope That “Your Answer is NO-!”

  19. Mr Bill 13 says

    Where are the “innocent lives” even if they are not actively involved, they know who they are and where they are. That makes them complicit. So if they get caught in the crossfire TS, I really don’t give a rats ass. If we are not willing to protect our citizens from the predators, then what the hell are we doing

  20. R. T. says

    We are concerned about civilian casualty’s , ISIS is only attacking civilian’s here . why should we care about there’s how ? 50 in Florida , 80 in France all CIVILIAN’S !

    1. anibanib says

      You may notice that after these horrific attacks,a day orso later ISIS takes responsibilty

  21. Ed Watson says

    Why the heck are we being so insulated from the acts of these total nuts. The networks won’t show pictures of those run over by the Nice truck, it is too disturbing. Why the hell NOT? That is what we need to wake us up to REALITY. Stop pampering and coddling us.

    1. anibanib says

      Good Points you make…….stop coddling the USAs gullible Citizens……….here in Europé OUR media show the dead and dying bodies in the street……….the USAs problem is that you have never ever had a modern war on your own soil, but the terrible things are still happening………and its not a Hollywood movie

  22. louann says

    Can we write trump on ticket?

  23. Randy Bower says

    How many of those civilians are actually part of ISIS and just used for the purpose of us not bombing there.You have to remember ISIS are a whole new breed of enemies,they use those same women and children as suicide bombers.

    1. anibanib says

      No they dont …………LIAR

      1. Randy Bower says

        Oh and you know this for sure how?

        1. anibanib says

          If you are an American Citizens then I can not convince you otherwise, as like most American Citizens they have been indoctrinated since birth, by their parents, time at school, and as they grow up……..many joining the military to rid the World of countries that hate the USA and the internal security of the USA

          1. Randy Bower says

            So you are saying you don’t like Americans because we think for ourselves.This is what we need to protect ourselves from.It has been proven they use women and children for these kind of missions.

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  25. conservgirl says

    The cost of war is always innocent lives. ISIS are cowards who use civilians as cover so that they could condemn the US of killing thousands of innocents when in fact it is them that are doing it. The best way to stop innocents from being killed is boots on the ground and good intelligence. However they choose to bomb from above and who knows how many civilians are being killed. Many people don’t seem concerned about all the Christians and other who are being slaughtered by ISIS Obama being one of them.

  26. midwaygrad says

    This admin wouldn’t attack ISIS oil trucks because it might contaminate the ground. So long as ISIS parks among civilians and they don’t throw them out, they are no longer “civilians” in my book.

  27. Jim Freund says

    People that can’t use their brains anymore are causing these things. By agravating police, selling drigs, and on them.

  28. cvxxx says

    ISIS(Daesh) is an ideology with both religious,cultural and political implications.. No idea dies quickly and among people who have accepted the basic premise as how it should be since the 6th century is is foolish to think there would be changes over night.
    IMO Obama should never undermined Assad. If Isis rose up any way he should have put it on the shoulders of the middle eastern countries and kept us out. Along with the stupid destruction of Qaddafi of Libya who was holding back the migrant invasion of Europe.
    ISIS fighting with other middle eastern countries would be fine. Our tax money could be spent domestically.

    1. anibanib says

      Its just like the USA………an ideology with both religious,cultural and political implications……..a big loud mouthed country that is trying its hardest to distroy the World, thru expansionism….trying to COPY-CAT the European nations that also tried to rule the World,and ALL of them were evntually thrownout………and now the GULLIBLE USA is trying it most stupidest to do it all again

      1. cvxxx says

        The US is but a minor player in the big money bloc wanting global control of the people.

        1. anibanib says

          The USA government likes it to be known that she appears to Control her Citizens, thru lies, and continually brainwashing them………..which for most US citizens is pretty easy as they are extremely gullible

          1. cvxxx says

            All governments lie.

          2. anibanib says

            Of course they do, even mine lies at times…….at least we have extremely cleaver journalists who report their findings on national TV………….and many poliicians and high ranking Company leaders have lost their jobs and have been disgraced on TV, our latest during the past 3 Days………..named and shamed on TV, LM Ericssons
            MD

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