Can Republicans Find an Obamacare Replacement to Agree On?


The (second to) last man standing in the 2016 election, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, paid a visit to the White House on Friday to talk healthcare with President Trump. Kasich, who has been a mild but persistent critic of the president, reportedly spent 45 minutes with Trump and his aides, laying out his concerns about the repeal and replacement of Obamacare. Sources say that Trump was quite taken with Kasich’s arguments, even getting HHS Secretary Tom Price on the phone to relay some of the governor’s ideas. One report said that Jared Kushner piped up at one point to remind President Trump that Kasich’s proposals were at odds with the ones currently favored by the House Republican leadership, to which Trump replied: “Well, I like this better.”

Kasich isn’t a supporter of the ACA, but he seems to favor a much lighter form of repeal than many conservative in Congress. He wants to cut back some of the regulations, such as forcing insurers to offer certain benefits, but he is not a fan of the GOP’s plan to scale back the Medicaid expansion and replace it with block grants.

On CBS’s Face the Nation on Sunday, Kasich went public with his concerns.

“I think there are some very conservative Republicans in the House who are going to say, ‘Just get rid of the whole thing,'” Kasich said. “That’s not acceptable when you have 20 million people, or 700,000 people in my state. Because where do the mentally ill go? Where do the drug-addicted go?”

Kasich continued: “Republicans can go and do what they want, but at the end of the day, I’m going to stand up for the people that wouldn’t have the coverage if they don’t get this thing right. And I happen to believe that the best way to get this right over time is for both parties to work together. I know that’s considered an impossibility now, but what’s at stake is not some political thing. What’s at stake here are 20 million Americans.”

Over on ABC’s This Week, Rep. Jim Jordan said there was no room for Republicans to compromise with Democrats on healthcare.

“We didn’t tell the American people we’re going to repeal it – except we’re going to keep some of the tax increases that some are talking about,” said Jordan. “We told them we were going to repeal it and replace it with a market-centered, patient-centered plan that actually brings back affordable health insurance.”

With Trump promising that Republicans will be ready to publicly reveal their plan by the end of March, there isn’t much time left for Congress and the White House to decide on the final details. And considering how much political capital both entities have wrapped up in the repeal of Obamacare, there isn’t much room for them to get it wrong.

  1. Mathew Molk says

    The only thing the President should have done with that dishonorable back stabbing son of a bitch is to beat his ass. Then he could test his health care ideas in the emergency room.

    The Prez is a better man then I’ll ever be even talking to this 2 faced mealy mouthed oath breaker. I don’t care who runs against Kasich in the next election I’m backing them. Anything would be better then a guy that acted like a spoiled brat and risked letting the cackling witch win,

    All other things aside, you can be sure Kasich’s word is no good.

  2. MAHB001 says

    It is a false narrative (Fake News) that the law sold on a stack of lies needs to be replaced….

    Liberal progressives especially those in the MEDIA are VERY good at at repeating lies enough times to make it true.. I guess it runs in their communist veins.

    “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.”

    1. Patrick Hasburgh says

      What kind of healthcare do you have, Mah ?

      1. phil says

        We are talking about insurance not care. Obama wanted insurance only to spread the wealth, health care never was mentioned. With deductibles, one is not able to afford the care, no mind, he got your money.

      2. MAHB001 says

        A very expensive one. and it has only gone up since 0bama promised that it would go down…..

        1. Arizona Don says

          Good answer!

          1. MAHB001 says

            Thanks again…

            I hope people start to realize that our elected Elite officials (Both sides) have alternative motives for their actions on things like healthcare. Their actions are not tied to the concerns and needs of We the People. They are tied to the acquisition of more power for Elites and more control of We the People.

          2. Arizona Don says

            Exactly and anyone thinking otherwise does not understand what has been going on for thirty years at least. These people demonstrating (and rioting) right now are what Stalin called useful idiots. Anyone who wants to really understand just what is going on need only watch a documentary called Agenda 2.

          3. MAHB001 says

            provide a link… is it on youtube?

          4. Arizona Don says

            I don’t think so I got my copy from Amazon.

            All that is on the internet is a trailer I had to buy it on line.


          5. MAHB001 says

            Thanks, I will look into getting a copy.

          6. Arizona Don says

            I do not think they will at least until things get worse much worse. However, I would rather not experience that to show them the error of their ways. President Trump is the man of the day the savior of America. He is doing it out of love not the hatred obama had and still has for America. Donald Trump, I think history will declare him one of the best presidents America has ever had. Yes I am aware how early it is to say such a thing. But I really believe that. However, at the same time I fear for his life because the radical left will I believe make an attempt on his life sometime in this first year. They are that afraid of him!

          7. MAHB001 says

            I can tell you that the Republicans are starting to wake up to the corruption. Democrats are much, much slower as they tend to follow and not lead.

            I pray every day for Trump. I pray that God gives Trump the strength to guide the Country per Trump’s promises to the people. I pray that God give Trump the strength to resist the temptation of power that has been entrusted to him.

            It seems we send some pretty good people to DC, but the power corrupts them.

          8. Arizona Don says

            I really do not think it will president Trump!

          9. MAHB001 says

            It has all others…

    2. leftbanker says

      You realize of course that Lenin never said that quote about ‘socialized medicine’ but it does play into your second quote.

      1. MAHB001 says

        I found the quote at:

        Are liberals attempting to rewrite history again, just so they can deny that they are communists?

        1. Gary says

          “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”

          ― Norman Mattoon Thomas

          I believe he was the candidate back in 1944 … 73 years ago. That last sentence is very telling.

          1. MAHB001 says

            So the Liberals are useful idiots for the Socialists
            The Socialists are useful idiots for the Communists
            The Communists are useful idiots for the NWO.
            AND honestly, I think the NWO is useful idiots for Radical Islamic terrorists.

            Time for the American People to quit being useful idiots and start following the Constitution…

          2. Arizona Don says

            Well they are not really liberal. Read the dictionary definition of liberal and I think you will agree. That definition describes a John Kennedy democrat and to a lessor degree a Harry Truman democrat. However, if they were alive today they would either be republican or like myself conservative independent.

          3. MAHB001 says

            What word would you use in replacement for my word liberals?

            I agree that the definitions are blurred by bias and misinformation.

          4. Arizona Don says

            I use progressives and if I’m feeling really disgusted by them I call them progressive communistic so called democrats. I admit progressive also does not perfectly describe them however, progressivism = communism. At least to me.

          5. MAHB001 says

            I have also used liberal progressives… The problem is that NOBODY likes communism yet, so the communists hide behind all these groups, socialist, progressives, liberals, Democrats, etc.

            The second you call them a Communist the true communists just fade into the woodwork…

            I think it is time to start calling the Democrat party the Communist party.
            Big Government = Communism… Let the Democrats explain how their form of big government is not communism….

          6. Arizona Don says

            A few years ago (I think in 2011) on a progressive communistic so called democratic site I wrote a post condemning communism. I received several replies asking what was wrong with communism. Since they lived in the USA I was actually shocked. Why would anyone who had ever lived here in this country ever like communism. I came to the conclusion they really did not know what they were talking about. For one thing private property is non-existent in communism. It is also one, but just one, of the many things that makes America stand out.

            “From all according to ability to all according to need.” I guess to some who do not really comprehend what that really says could like it. I don’t. The word “need” cancels out every and all chances of success. Here in America we have (most have at least) risen above basic needs. Needs provide for survival free enterprise allows for wants and desires far above needs.

            I drive a Z06 Corvette not because it is a need but because it is a want or desire.

          7. MAHB001 says

            Communism is still somewhat feared, but years of ideological conditioning have lessened the fear. Just ask them to give up their iphones. 🙂

            I now call the Democrat party full blown communists. I am going to use the word while it still has some impact.

            As I see it, Capitalism is on one side of the scale, Socialism is on the other. You have to go through Communism to get to socialism, and because mankind will never get to socialism until evil is removed from Earth, all attempts at socialism will fail and get stuck at Communism.

            The more we are taxed, the more we are enslaved to the system. Right now we are 50% of the way towards communism…

          8. Arizona Don says

            I do believe progressivism is communism in disguise. Consequently, since most democrats claim to be progressive they are as well communists. Of course communism can never be acceptable in America. Most Americans see it as giving up most if not all personal liberties. Any kind of socialism, including both communism and fascism are devoid of all individual freedoms. It is the collective that matters to them. Individuals are expendable for the common welfare. Keep in mind a caliphate also is usually communistic. If it is possible to have less freedoms then a communistic society it is in a caliphate.

            Even though the above is certainly true many democrats will deny being even remotely communistic. Even they see the communist control as unacceptable. That is because they do not recognize the democratic party has morphed into this terrible entity. But they remain democrats in spite of that. Which proves in essence they have no knowledge of what is happening around them. There can be only one reason for obama forming the group said to be 30,000 strong called “organizating for action.” A term like shadow government suggests the move to fundamentally transform the American government did not go away when obama left office. Although I have no proof, at this time, I am certain george soros is financially behind the move. We know for certain he was behind demonstrations many of which turned into riots before and after the election. Furthermore, everyone should know the soros intention “IS” to overthrow this government. There is little doubt in my mind he is funding the continued effort to fundamentally transform America into a communist state or communistic caliphate. He is just as dangerous (ruthless and barbaric) as adolph hitler himself and has many of the same goals. It is just he is going about it in a different way. Financially. My question regarding soros is why has no one investigated him and taken appropriate action against him.

            I had actually hoped the left threat that could lead to armed conflict was over when obama left office. I see plainly now that is not true at all.

          9. MAHB001 says

            I know that the Democrats deny being remotely communistic, but they still need to hear it. I know most of the trolls will turn off immediately after hearing it, And keep hearing it.

            Those of us with like mind need to rally together somewhere.

          10. Arizona Don says

            I can agree with that!

          11. MAHB001 says

            Any suggestions?

          12. Arizona Don says

            I’ll give it some thought. However, it would always have to be on a local basis. Not even state wide.

          13. MAHB001 says

            Check out my new post on my website. I just posted it a short time back, and would love your input.


            Education can not hurt.

    3. jimmy midnight says

      Democracy is coming 2 the USA, Mr. Mad. Socialized medicine will B part of it. Was deception part of passing ACA, part of an already-existing plan 2 make it a step toward Medicare 4 all?

      Wrong question. Ask instead if I give a shit, or don’t bother with that, either. U

      1. MAHB001 says

        Was deception part of passing 0bamacare??? It was the ONLY reason it was passed.

        According to Jonathan Gruber it was Stupid uninformed American voters…. Jimmy, that would be YOU…. I didn’t vote for the thing and my Communist representatives did, despite my voiced wishes in opposition.

        1. jimmy midnight says

          If memory serves, I was neither 4 or against the bill at the time it was passing, ‘cuz I was so disgusted by lack of public option.

          1. MAHB001 says

            Good for you… Perhaps you saw through the elites BS…. So many were fooled, by the elites.

            BTW, Gruber’s boasting, was no doubt a view into the 0bama’s administration that 0bama did not want out…

        2. Arizona Don says

          Right again!

    4. TheSkalawag929 says

      ” ‘Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialized State.’
      He may have thought that but that doesn’t make it true.

      “For if this (A.C.A.) passes, it will be virtually unrepealable. Health entitlement programs, once enacted, have proven to be permanent.”
      Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid ….. and now possibly the A.C.A. (ObamaCare)

      With the way people are reacting to the A.C.A. possibly actually being repealed this statement from the Gateway Pundit seems prophetic.

      1. MAHB001 says

        0bama was counting on the law being unrepealable. But 0bama’s fundamental change to a communist state is not sticking now that he is gone.

        The people that are reacting to the Act being repealed are misinformed. But, I do not think they are as stupid as the Liberal Progressive elites think they are. Soon they will HEAR the voices of reason, and my bet is that the majority of them will join with those that want to repeal this ugly version of socialism/communism.

        1. TheSkalawag929 says

          “0bama was counting on the law being unrepealable. ”
          From what I’m seeing it’s looking like that will be the case.
          What “communist state”?
          They are not misinformed. They know that republicans have no replacement plan and that the A.C.A. that they have is better than the nothing that republicans have offered so far.

          1. MAHB001 says

            It is a false narrative that the Government should need a replacement plan.
            It is a false narrative that the Government should be involved in Healthcare.
            is only the communists that think that our Government should be
            involved in health care, and the only reason the people think that the
            government should be involved in our health care is because they are

            The Republicans do not need a replacement plan… They just need to get the Government out of the health care business.

            ” ‘Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialized State.’

          2. TheSkalawag929 says

            “It is a false narrative that the Government should need a replacement plan.
            It is a false narrative that the Government should be involved in Healthcare.
            It. Republicans do not need a replacement plan… They just need to get the Government out of the health care business.
            Okay let’s say all that is true.
            What is YOUR solution for the populace to take care of their health care needs?
            You right-wingers are good at saying no and what ought not to be. But you disappear when it comes to finding solutions.

          3. Arizona Don says

            Where in the constitution does it authorize the federal government to have anything to do with healthcare? Now read the 10 th amendment.

          4. TheSkalawag929 says

            Where in the constitution does it prohibit the federal government from having anything to do with healthcare? It doesn’t.
            Since the 10th Amendment does not prohibit the federal government from having anything to do with health care and since it doesn’t give states exclusive jurisdiction over the issue I don’t see where the 10th Amendment applies.

          5. Arizona Don says

            I suggest you read the tenth amendment. You seem to be very misguided! But have a nice day anyway!

          6. TheSkalawag929 says

            “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
            I’m sorry but I don’t see where it says that the federal government has no say in seeing to it that the American people are not to be taken advantage of.

          7. Arizona Don says

            OK one last time!

            What the tenth amendment says is; if there is anything not specifically “named” as a delegated power of the federal government that power is directly reverted to the states or the people. In other words government has no power related to that particular subject. No where in the constitution does the word healthcare exist either written or implied. No where!

            The federal government has specific duties and those duties are specifically pointed out within the constitution itself. The constitution is a declaration of limitations of the federal government. The primary purpose is to list the duties and responsibilities of the federal government. Its secondary purpose is to restrict that federal government. However, the overall purpose of the constitution is to keep the federal government powers in check so that it does not become a Soviet Union or Germany of the thirties and early forties.

            Under obama the executive branch has usurped considerable power from the legislative branch, the states and the people. Unconstitutionally I might add!

            Governments are (and this government is no exception) inherently corrupt, the larger the government the more the corruption exists. This pertains to all government(s). Government sees everything it does is in reply to or because of the collective. The United States of Americas constitution is protecting “individual liberties.” Therefore, the constitutions job is, and must be, “restraining or restricting” government. Considerable difference. However, the reason should be most obvious. One (individual) vote vs hundreds or millions. Most politicians today, not all I might add, think more of getting reelected than working for the country or the people.

          8. TheSkalawag929 says

            I say that the Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution expressly gives the federal government the authority for the A.C.A. And since that power IS given within the body of the Constitution (Welfare Clause) in my opinion the 10th Amendment does not apply.
            “Under obama …”
            In what way did former President Obama usurp power from the legislative branch?
            Do you mean by taking the lead and moving things forward through executive order, where possible, while republicans did everything to fulfill their promise to make him fail?
            You seem to forget that Obama is no longer president.
            Besides you should be more concerned about the current occupant in the White House. After all you stuck the country lying bent Don Con as president.

            Since governments are made up of human beings plus the fact that human beings are flawed then it follows governments will be flawed.
            That is why we must be ever vigilant in safe guarding our Republic.

            What is the considerable difference between restrict and restrain in your mind?
            The reason for what?

            “One (individual) vote vs hundreds or millions.”
            What is this sentence fragment supposed to convey?
            The reason hey think more about getting reelected than working for the country or the people is because the people have turned elections into popularity contests instead of a referendum on the persons work product.

          9. Arizona Don says

            You are a typical progressive communistic democrat. Consequently, I shall waste no more time on you or your misguided opinions. Have a nice day.

          10. TheSkalawag929 says

            I’ll take that as an admission of your inability to rebut my argument, explain your claim or answer questions regarding your position.
            Hope you also have a nice day.

          11. Arizona Don says

            Obviously you just do not get it. It most definitely does read the tenth amendment very carefully. Evidently you have very little comprehension skills. The tenth amendment states;

            “The powers not delegated to the United States by the constitution, not prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or the people.”

            Reading comprehension does seem to be a problem with most if not all progressive communistic so called democrats. Therefore, I’m not really surprised you don’t understand what the tenth amendment says.

            What that means is if it does not specifically state within the constitution a thing is the responsibility of the federal government that responsibility goes to the states or the people provided it is not prohibited, to go to either, by the constitution. Healthcare is neither a stated responsibility of the federal government nor is it prohibited by it consequently it becomes either the responsibility of the state or the people. In the case of healthcare most likely the people.

            Anyone with half a brain could understand that.

          12. TheSkalawag929 says

            Since within the preamble and in Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution Constitution it states the purpose, aims, and justification for and powers of the government I submit that providing for general Welfare of the United States should include the affordability and accessibility to health care insurance for the American people.
            A healthy society is a more prosperous society.
            “Anyone with half a brain could understand that.”
            No need to be insulting.

          13. mholdcraft says

            Government run medical Clinics similar to the Military Hospital and clinic system and the VA Hospital/Clinic system we have today for those who can’t afford paying for medical care. Government should stay out of the “Medical Insurance” business.

          14. TheSkalawag929 says

            You are mistaken. Government run medical Clinics similar to the Military Hospital and clinic system and the VA Hospital/Clinic system are not meant for the indigent. They are for our active duty military, their families and our veterans.
            Name one health insurance plan that you can purchase from the government. You can’t. Because government is not IN the ” Medical Insurance” selling business.

          15. mholdcraft says

            You didn’t read my comment very closely. I said set up a system “similar to” the military Clinic and Hospitals and VA system. I am retired military so I know who those systems serve. I also know those systems work and the government would spend less establishing clinics “like” the Sisters of Mercy Clinics for everyday checkups and illnesses rather than what the indigent do today which is use Emergency Rooms at thousands of private Hospitals today. When they face serious illness then the government could have contracts with hospitals to serve the indigent. The Government does not need to be paying for peoples medical insurance because that would bloat the cost of insurance for all, just like the ACA is doing now.

          16. TheSkalawag929 says

            “I said set up a system …”
            Excuse me but I read your comment quite well and you didn’t say that.
            Your comment begins: ” Government run … ” and ends with “…stay out of the “Medical Insurance” business.”. Nowhere in the whole of your comment does the phrase “set up a system” appear.
            While that may have been what you intended it fell way short of conveying that intent.
            As to the idea of ” establishing clinics “like” the Sisters of Mercy Clinics” that’s all well and good but someone is going to have to pay for it.
            And it seems to me that you think you are paying for someone else’s health care insurance already and you are unhappy about it.
            You also seem to think that just because the government establishes these clinics that somehow they will pay for themselves. They won’t.
            The cost is just going to just come out of another of John Q Public’s pockets.
            No matter how you slice it John Q Public is going to be the one paying for whatever it turns out to be.
            At least with the A.C.A. people have some protection from financial ruin because of illness.
            So far based on what I have seen from republicans (very little in six years) that doesn’t seem to be the case in any of their plans.
            And it looks like a lot fewer people will be able to afford health care insurance. And that too will lead to cost increases for health care insurance to John Q Public.

          17. mholdcraft says

            No I said “Government run medical Clinics similar to the Military Hospital and clinic system and the VA Hospital/Clinic system we have today for those who can’t afford paying for medical care.” That is a quote. I used the word system twice and that means for the poor, not every American. Who do you think pays for the Military and VA system today, the taxpayer. The poor can’t afford medical insurance and they can’t afford regular medical care either. They flock to Hospital emergency rooms now for routine care. Emergency rooms are the most expensive way to get care – ask any Hospital administrator. If you don’t think you are paying for someone else’s medical insurance, you had better talk to your Medical Insurance agent. That is exactly what every American who had a policy before the ACA is doing today. The government is picking up only part of the bill for the 30 to 40 million who couldn’t afford insurance before the ACA. Why do you think policy premiums went up by over 40% in the last three years? What I said was providing direct medical care to the poor would be less expensive than the ACA is. The ACA set up a middleman (the insurance company) who makes a profit. Cut out the middle man and provide direct care to the less fortunate.

          18. TheSkalawag929 says

            I do not dispute what you said. It is what you didn’t say that is the problem.
            NOWHERE in your sentence fragment do you say what you want to do with the systems you describe.
            I agree with what you are saying. I’m just asking the first, main and only question conservatives will ask. How do we pay for it.
            I agree. Yes the set up the A.C.A. formed did cause insurance companies to profit as middle-men but only because they were not allowed to be cut out.
            HELL !!! Cut out the middleman and provide direct care to all.

          19. mholdcraft says

            You haven’t looked very closely at the ACA have you. The Government is giving the insurance companies millions if not billions in supplements to pay for insurance subsidies. Not for direct medical care for the indigent, but for the possibility of medical care if someone gets sick. Insurance companies don’t work at cost, they make a profit by charging more than they will pay out. They are just a middle man getting part of the money that all should go to direct medical care for the poor. Get the Insurance companies out of the money stream and the government will spend less and the poor get direct medical care when they need it. If the government isn’t in the Medical insurance selling business, as you say they are not, then why are people paying the IRS a penalty when they don’t buy medical insurance? Why is the government specifying what type of insurance you must buy, if they are not in the business?? Those ACA web sites are government web sits where you sign up. The ACA is nothing but government run and supported Medical Insurance.

          20. TheSkalawag929 says

            It sounds like you are making a case for universal health care.

            “Not for direct medical care but for the possibility of medical care if someone gets sick.”
            Isn’t that the case with ALL insurance?
            You purchase plans and policies hoping that you never have to use them.

            “why are people paying the IRS a penalty when they don’t buy medical insurance?”
            It is because of the mandate and if you read how the penalty is applied you will see that it doesn’t have much in the way of teeth.
            Not like the penalties you would pay if say you were caught operating a vehicle without auto insurance (possible jail time, steep fines, possible revocation of driver’s license and probable increased insurance premium costs just to name a few).
            Why is okay to mandate some insurance and not health care insurance?
            “Those A.C.A. web sites are government web sites where you sign up.”
            The A.C.A. websites direct you to private insurance companies that sell plans that conform to A.C.A. requirements. Kinda like a national Yellow-Pages for insurance companies.
            The insurance industry is still an independent free market profit driven entity. It hasn’t been taken over by the government.

          21. jetmagnet says

            Your an idiot! What insurance do you have?

          22. mholdcraft says

            I don’t need insurance, I’m invulnerable. You obviously are not healthy, physically or mentally.

          23. MAHB001 says

            It is NOT the Governments job to provide healthcare.

            Deal with it… Handle it the same way you did the last time your gas tank was empty and you found out that it was NOT the Governments responsibility to buy you a tank of gas.

            The solution lies with YOU… Not in you getting the government to force others to fill your gas tank.

            The ONLY reason Democrat Elite Politicians want to control your healthcare is because the know it is a major step towards socialism… And Socialism ALWAYS leads to Communism….

            That is what the Democrat and Republican Elites want here in the United States…. Communism…

          24. TheSkalawag929 says

            Never said that it WAS government’s job to provide health care.
            I never expected government to buy gas for my vehicles either. I don’t know where that came from other than your Bizzarro bubble world.
            How do you equate making health care insurance affordable to all Americans to making others buy your gas?
            Under the ACA how much of your neighbor’s health insurance are YOU responsible for?
            Under the old system if your neighbor didn’t have health insurance they probably would not go to a doctor until absolutely necessary and then they would go to the area hospital emergency room where they could not be refused care because they couldn’t pay. And if they couldn’t pay the hospital just divided up the expense and passed it along to all those that came after that could.
            You should not be worried about Democrats turning our country over to socialism or communism by way of providing a way for Americans to afford health care insurance.
            What you should be concerned with is lying bent Don Con giving it directly over to his best-est buddy Vladimir Putin with all the Russian connections WITHIN his administration.
            If this had been a Democrat administration republicans would be in the streets with pitchforks demanding investigation after investigation.
            But then again IOKIYAR.

          25. jetmagnet says

            Your an idiot! So tell me who are you insured with? You azzclowns get socialized medicine and complain about it .

          26. TheSkalawag929 says

            More name calling and now you’re adding misdirection.
            It doesn’t matter how I am insured. Suffice it to say that I am insured.
            The issue here is taking away the ability of possibly 20 million or more Americans to affordable health care insurance.

          27. MAHB001 says

            OK, it is NOT the Governments job to make health care insurance affordable…. Just like it is not the Governments job to make gasoline affordable.

            Under 0bamacare, I QUIT going to the Drs. because it is NOT affordable. $100 copay, and only one issue per visit. Got a cough, $100… Got a sore knee, go back outside and return after you pay your $100…..

            ENOUGH of the lies…. Enough of liberals FAKE Compassion. Enough of Liberal progressives Communism….

            The NEW system (0bamacare) is NOT working. It was sold to you on a stack of lies, including the arguments you are using right now.

            BTW, the lying Hillary already did the pretty dirty transactions with Russia. Clean your own underwear before you accuse someone else of having dirty underwear.

          28. TheSkalawag929 says

            I never said (A) and I totally disagree with (B).
            If your co-pay is $100 per visit then YOU should remember YOU have a sore knee when YOU go in for that cough and or someone on YOUR doctor’s office staff should ask you if there is anything else bothering you. This comment doesn’t reflect well on your fiscal responsibility or your cognitive and reasoning skills.
            There are numerous stories that say you are wrong about the A.C.A. not working.

            Sure it could work better. Maybe now it can be made to work better since the main impediment to republican participation on the issue has been removed (i.e. President Obama).
            As you so love to point out Hilary didn’t win.
            “Lying Hilary” ??? “pretty dirty transactions with Russia.” How many times does this have to be debunked?
            Besides Hilary didn’t win. Remember?
            You elected lying bent Don Con.

            Not my underwear you should be worrying about.

          29. MAHB001 says

            So you never said “How do you equate making health care insurance affordable to all Americans to making others buy your gas?”

            Which says to me that you expect the Government to make health care insurance affordable….

            Those Republicans that go along with the ACA in any form do not represent me. Ryan, McConnell, and the elites in DC are just communist in Republicans clothing.

            As for Hillary and her lies, let us just put it this way. Denying is not debunking. Criminals and those that do criminal activities ALWAYS Deny. Only a fool believes that their words debunk.

          30. TheSkalawag929 says

            What I am saying is: It is government’s job to make sure that insurance companies do not take unfair advantage the American people.
            What is it that you want?
            Do you think that anyone that works to make sure that you and the American people can afford and have access to health care insurance is somehow your enemy?
            As I said Hilary is not President.
            You elected lying bent Don Con. He lies even when it’s not necessary and then lies about lying.
            I’m not the fool here.

          31. MAHB001 says

            If that is what you want the Government to do, I would say that the Government failed YOU when it came to 0bamacare. 0bamacare is a prime example of the Government and Insurance companies colluding.

            You need to go beyond the talking points and verify what the elites are telling you… Question ALL authority, especially the ones that share your ideology, and not just the opposition.

            Your ELITES are not interested in what you fight for, they are interested in something completely different. You on the other hand do not hold your elites accountable for what they say, and that is dangerous. For ALL of us.

            Under 0bamacare, Insurance Companies are guaranteed a profit, and the Government is guaranteed control over your life. That IS a form of Crony Capitalism, and Crony Capitalism is a form of Communism….

            ‘Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialized State.’
            “The goal of socialism is communism.”

            I can not connect the dots any clearer.

            All I can say is that Donald Trump is the only person standing between the Communist Elites and their complete control of OUR lives. You best not hope for his failure.

          32. TheSkalawag929 says

            If you want to call the A.C.A. colluding go ahead. The end result is millions more Americans are able to afford and get access to health care insurance. Under the old system they couldn’t.
            Why are you so willing to take that away from them with NOTHING to offer to replace it?
            To me that’s just coldblooded and un-American.

            “You need to go beyond the talking points …”
            You go ahead and continue to make up reasons for your coldblooded un-American actions toward those in need. I’m going to work to help people keep their insurance. You right-winger do EVERYTHING you can to prevent the A.C.A. from working then have the unmitigated gall to stand back and complain when your handy work is successful. You people are too much.

            Insurance Companies are guaranteed a profit period. Whether it’s with the government or in the free marketplace.

            If you choose to live within a society then you are bound (controlled) by the rules (laws) of that society. No matter where you go.

            “The goal of socialism is communism.” —–Lenin”
            You should read your quotes in context before you post them It could make a difference in whether you use them or not.
            In this case Lenin was espousing what he considered the natural evolution of society. In which case according to his belief there is a list of stages that society will progress through. Capitalism is just one stage in the progression.


          33. MAHB001 says

            The END RESULT of 0bamacare is NOT millions more. Those numbers are cooked up by the same Government that would tell you that we are gaining jobs in America.

            Millions lost their healthcare and switched to 0bamacare, and even if there is a net million plus people on 0bamacare, have you asked at what cost??? Trillions??? Why not give the millions a 100 million each to pay for their own drs? If the politicians want to be magnanimous, that would do it. But we both know that is not their goal.

            The goal of 0bamacare is NOT giving access to healthcare, The goal of 0bamacare is socialized medicine. And Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialized state…..

            WRONG! Only under 0bamacare are insurance companies guaranteed a profit. In the free marketplace if an insurance company does not make a profit, it goes out of business.

            Your GOVERNMENT is guaranteeing a profit with YOUR money… Crony Capitalism = Crony Socialism = Big Government Communism

            I fully understand the context of Lenin’s quote. He knew the natural evolution or “progression” of society had to pass THROUGH Communism to reach Socialism……

            Think about it, why are there no Socialist states on Earth? Because mankind can not get past Communism….

          34. TheSkalawag929 says

            I get it. You are intent on being unhappy no matter what the facts say.
            Well you go right on ahead and be as miserable as your heart desires.
            You’re scared. And you’re just flailing around looking for any excuse to justify your fears.
            According to Lenin: society moves in such a way that feudal society leads to capitalist society which leads to socialist society which leads to communist society.
            Communism is the end result. You twist things to suit your purpose.
            “why are there no Socialist states on Earth?”
            There are.

          35. MAHB001 says

            No, You don’t get it. You are incapable of getting it.
            You are a victim of Ideological subversion and incapable of understanding facts that go against your ideology.

            Watch this video, review your posts, and tell me you have considered one fact that I have debunked of yours…
            Then watch the video again.. I believe if you actually find a way to admit that you are wrong, you might be able to break through the brainwashing.

            Name ONE Communist Country you would like America to emulate.


          36. TheSkalawag929 says

            I put more faith in that there were Ancient Aliens that visited the earth than I do in this BS video.
            You go ahead and enjoy your paranoia.
            As I said before. You are intent on being unhappy no matter what the facts say.

          37. MAHB001 says

            Sad, but the guy in the video predicted you would say just that. He also said that when your masters are successful at instilling their version of Communism they will no longer need you and then squash you like a cockroach. Your life is worthless to them.

            At least this Conservative tried to help you…

          38. TheSkalawag929 says

            That was not a prediction of what I would say in rebuttal. That was just recognition of the response that he got then and expects to continue to get in the future to his BS.

            “when your masters are successful at instilling their version of Communism they will no longer need you and then squash you like a cockroach.”

            Looking at the lying bent Don Con administration and all IT’S Russian connections I would think that conservatives, such as yourself, would be more concerned with what’s happening within their own ranks (an actual Russian take-over of your party) rather than some blather about Liberals being communists.

            I have noticed that more often than not republicans ACCUSE people of doing things that THEY are ACTUALLY doing.

          39. MAHB001 says

            What the guy predicted in the video was that you would reject any and all information that goes against your ideology…

            Every post you write, confirms that he was right.

            For instance, you fear that Trump has Russian connections without proof. When you have proof of Hillary’s pay for access dealings with Russia and ignore them.

            Funny, I have noticed that more often than not, DEMOCRATS accuse people of doing. This is part of the ideological subversion you are victim of things that they are ACTUALLY doing.


            Here are some FACTS proving that Democrats point at others to cover what they are doing.

          40. TheSkalawag929 says

            What the guy did is repeat what the response to his BS was and you see it as predicting the future.
            “For instance, you fear that Trump has Russian connections without proof.”
            Lewendowski, Manafort, Flynn, Sessions and even lying bent Don Con can be added to the list.
            If you really were interested in proof all you would have had to do is google “trump Russia connection. But for you right-wingers all you can do is deny it exists.

            It speaks volumes that you see abolishing slavery and assuring the right to vote as being subversive because they are somehow wrong.

          41. MAHB001 says

            I have ZERO faith in google presenting the truth to me. Mr. Google is as bad as the MEDIA when it comes to presenting information to its conservative viewers.

            There is no doubt in my mind that Trump had connections with Russians. I am equally confident that Trumps dealings with Russia were on a purely business level and nothing more. They were private conversations.

            Those connections were NOTHING like the traitor Hillary’s connections with Russia, and you know it.

            This whole Russian Hacking story is a ruse. It is designed to lead lemmings like you in directions away from the real rigging of the election.


          42. TheSkalawag929 says

            What I hear you saying is that you have no faith in the world wide web containing the truth. Then that leads me to ask, where do you get your information?
            Google is just a search engine; (a program that searches for and identifies items in a database that correspond to keywords or characters specified by the user, used especially for finding particular sites on the World Wide Web.)
            There is no doubt that lying bent Don Con HAS Russian connections. And your confidence in those connections being merely business in nature is what makes you such an easy target for lying bent Don Con.
            The fact that you haven’t realized yet that you have been and are being conned is proof of the narrowness of your search for what is true. You only search those sites that agree with you or push the same BS conspiracies that you do.
            You brand Hilary a traitor based on debunked accusations. But you are willing to give lying bent Don Con a pass in spite of the mounting tsunami of evidence of, not only his Russian connections, but of those that lying bent Don Con chooses to surround himself with.
            As to what your evidence of vote rigging the fact that step 4 didn’t happen makes steps 2&3 false.
            I’ll give you the media influences public opinion. But I think that it is more along rating’s numbers than along ideological lines.
            I’m guessing their reasoning is the closer they keep the race the more eyeballs they will attract. The more eyeballs they attract the more they can charge in advertising.
            See. Capitalism, the republican religion, at work.

          43. MAHB001 says

            Wrong again Scalawag. I have NO faith in your ability to interpret the information that is presented to you from the web. The web contains the truth and lies, you only accept what fits your ideology as the truth. You dismiss all other information as lies.

            I will bet you didn’t know that Mr. Google (as well as others) colluded with the Chinese Government in WHAT information is presented to the Chinese people. The net result is that the group of them was able to ERASE the events of Tienanmen Square from Chinese history… AND the Chinese Government completely controls the information it feeds the people..

            You spent eight years being conned by 0bama, and still can not see or admit to the 0bama/Democrat cons. This makes you unqualified to speak on the subject of being conned.

            There is only one reason step 4 didn’t happen. Project Veritas… Their timely exposure of the EXACT corruption that I wrote about in the article drove the corruption underground. Again, you are incapable of interpreting this information.

            Think about this, there is good and bad in EVERY situation. FACTS are NOT created on political lines, reporters are supposed to report the news, without interpretation, why is it that you only see good about your ideology, and only bad about Conservatism? I think the answer lies in the ideological subversion you are a victim of. Watch the video again.

          44. jetmagnet says

            If you don’t like it , you can leave! It’s not the private healthcare companies job to lose money either. It’s not their job to give you anything that cost them money,
            Government controls cost, corporations donot..they charge whatever the hell they want. But people like you don’t have insurance… you stiif the ER and I bet you don’t pay taxes either.

          45. MAHB001 says

            You are not very smart are you?

            “Governments controls cost.” Where in the Constitution does it say that Governments control costs????

          46. MAHB001 says

            I prefer to stand a fight for my way of life.

            Communism does not suit me well.

          47. Arizona Don says

            Nowhere in he constitution does it authorize the federal government to have anything to do with healthcare! The word is not used anywhere in it!

        2. Arizona Don says

          You are correct!

      2. Arizona Don says

        The ACA is collapsing in upon itself. It was never meant to succeed. obama planed it to be a stepping stone to single payer he even said so. He also stated it had to be accomplished a step at a time. Since it will fail badly he was willing to have millions lose their insurance and be stuck without anything to fall back on. Was the old system sufficient no absolutely not however, what obama presented to replace it with was just as unacceptable. President Trump will fix it for everyone with or without you and others like you on board. But it will be repealed first. Replaced wait and see.

        1. TheSkalawag929 says

          The ACA is only collapsing in the minds of those who hate it and they hate it only because former President Obama endorsed.
          Even if it was a stepping stone to single payer is that, in your mind, justification for taking away the ability to afford health care insurance from an estimated 20 million Americans and making them vulnerable to the catastrophes that could arise from not being able to afford health insurance?
          It wasn’t former President Obama’s intention to have millions lose their insurance and be stuck without anything to fall back on. Nor is it the goal of Democrats. It is republicans leading the charge to repeal first and, as you so cavalierly put it, ” Replaced wait and see.”
          You readily admit that the old system was absolutely not sufficient. Yet you are willing to scrap the only plan passed that helps make heath care insurance affordable to millions of Americans who otherwise would not be able to afford health care insurance.
          I would be willing to wager that YOUR health care coverage would not be adversely affected if the ACA was repealed.

          1. Arizona Don says

            You say it is only collapsing to those who hate it. I am indifferent about it because it does not in any way effect me. I have insurance very good insurance I am a retired government employee. It is collapsing to anyone smart enough to read and reason. To bad you are not among them.

            It was pushed down the throats of millions of Americans. By the democrats. Not one single republican voted for it. Many who have it and pay for it themselves (not getting government assistance) have very high premiums and extremely high deductibles so high they really do not have insurance because they, short of being hospitalized, will never meet the deductible. In essence they have no insurance.

            You say 20 million now have insurance now that did not before. Wrong again about eight million have insurance where they did not for some reason have it before. Many did not want or see themselves needing it. They now receive subsides However, there are about eighteen million who pay for it and in reality don’t have insurance even though they pay for it. Because of the reasons stated above.

            Of course I admit the old system had it problems but they were very minor compared to the ACA or obamacare. No I do not dislike it because obama supported it I do not like it because it was created to fail and people could or can be left with nothing. There will be a net loss in people covered when it fails if it is allowed to. In spite of what you say President Trump is going to try to fix it in time that there is no one without insurance if they want it.

            Furthermore, as long as government has its hands in healthcare it will never go down in price. Only free enterprise will ever bring down costs and increase quality because only free enterprise generates competition. Those who receive government subsides do not want it replaced and the reason is obvious. Perhaps you are among them.

          2. TheSkalawag929 says

            You are indifferent because you feel that you are not in any way effect by the current events involving the A.C.A.
            Why are you so sure you’re safe?
            Remember it’s republicans who believe that government doesn’t work and ought to drown in a bathtub.
            Lying bent Don Con is putting in place a cabinet made up of people whose intent is the deconstruction of the administrative state. Getting rid of pesky regulations may sound like a good idea until you look at who actually thinks the regulations are pesky and why the regulations exist in the first place.
            No the A.C.A. was not pushed down American’s throats. It was pushed down the throats of recalcitrant republicans in the House And Senate whose best reason for not fully participating in the process was that they were more intent on making then newly elected President Obama fail than the best interest of the country.
            Goldman Sachs estimates an increased of 13 to 14 million. Rand estimates an increase of 22.8 million. It is reported that some 5 million lost their insurance. So that leaves a more than a 16 person million increase which is still twice your number.
            “Not one single republican voted for it.”
            Maybe that’s why they’re ducking town halls and angry constituents now.

            Sir tens of thousands of people going bankrupt because they lacked health care insurance under the old system is not a minor problem. Nor is being denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. Or having to pay more for insurance because you are woman. And on and on. No sir the old system was more flawed than you nostalgic memories allow you to recall.
            With out government oversight insurance companies and big pharma would gore not merely gouge the American public just as the robber barons of Theodore Roosevelt’s time did and the cable and internet providers of our time today are doing.
            Government is necessary to protect it’s citizens from the less scrupulous among them.
            Free enterprise policing itself for any interest other than bigger profit is a myth.

          3. Rusty Britches says

            the man that’s trying to argue with you, will never understand what your trying to tell him so please don’t waste your breath he is not capable of learning anything because like all dems he is being given to much by the Government and how sad to think this country had the best insurance and coverage in the world until Obama came into office he ruined it for all Americans not just a few.. and if they would repeal it and then make sure that the people with problems so they are not able to get insurance why couldn’t those people be covered in a high risk pool and the same for those people who are too poor to get their own insurance
            Medicade is a joke.. those people really have little or no care and they just show up at the Emergency center an they stay until they are seen They cant be turned away and that includes everyone who is not here legal

          4. Arizona Don says

            I am aware of the fact it is impossible to reason with an unreasonable person. If it were just him that would read these things you are correct I would be wasting my time replying to him (or maybe her). However, I suspect others read them as well. Whether or not I can make a difference with them is an unknown. But if I an others do not try at least we certainly will not have a chance of making a difference. So in select cases I shall continue. However, I agree totally with your logical statement. I have on occasion given the same advice.

            I am nearing the age of 80. I no longer get around as I once did so this way I at least feel like I can maybe in some small way contribute to the conservative cause and in that way help keep America whole and free. I can see this great land is at more risk now then at any time in my lifetime including WWII. I contribute the strife, for the most part, to barack obama’s goals of fundamental transformation. Rest assured I will remember that advice. Thank you for your thoughts and have a nice day.

      3. jetmagnet says

        Yeah, everyone will make millions and we can pay for everything, what doochebag! Your probably on socialized medicine aka Medicare. lol

        1. TheSkalawag929 says

          That your best rebuttal to my post is to reply to my comment with a comment that makes no sense and call me names?
          That is truly pathetic.

    5. pmbalele says

      You again. I have told you and my neighbors most of whom are Repubs, TPs and so called supporters who want Obamacare repealed. There is no and cannot be a replacement. The only alternative to Obamacare is to expand Obamacare to cover all Americans-poor or rich; Black or White. So the problem with those dumb people who want to repeal Obama is their intent to kill poor Americans. You remember at GOP Florida 2012 convention when they were asked: “Would you leave a poor Black woman with cancer to die because she does not have health insurance?” In unison these dummies shouted and applauded: “Yes let her die. She should have health insurance.” That is why Romney lost the election. Rational people saw Romney as misfit for WH job-he lost. Trump will not go that way. Trump wants all Americans have insurance and this time without out of pocket premiums. I have recommended a sale 0.01 collected at the counter. All money will be collected by IRS. So people will have only one person to deal with-their doctor. Insurance companies will be out of a job. That is why I like Trump-he wants everybody have equal access to medical services. Repubs and TPs must be peeing in their pants now.

      1. Arizona Don says

        You are so mistaken it is not worth discussing it with you. The ACA will be repealed for sure. Replaced we shall see what happens there. In any case government needs to get out of the healthcare business. Nowhere in the constitution is the federal government given the right to supply or own healthcare. Overseeing it should be a duty if so desired to over see it, of the state(s). Have a nice day if you can!

        1. pmbalele says

          What – government needs to get out of the healthcare business! Trump wants insurance out of your business. All you will deal with is your doctor. Now before a doctor cuts you in pieces, they have to ask your insurance first. Not with Obamacare or expanded Obamacare. It will be your decision and that of your doctor -not insurance morons.

          1. MAHB001 says

            You are SOOOOO wrong… In the death of my Mother last year, I had to deal directly with the insurance death panels that chose to approve (or NOT) the treatments that could have sustained her life.

            I was joined with my Mothers Drs in the fights to get treatments approved.

            0bamacare has not eliminated or even changed the processes. If anything, 0bamacare has made it worse.

            You are just flat out misinformed or lying.

          2. pmbalele says

            Why are you lying in public. Obamacare has taken care of millions of Americans who could not have access to medical services. Please do not radicalize yourself to paint Obamacare did not serve your Mother. You’re like Paul Ryan who invites his grand-mother only when he is running for office. After that Paul Ryan dumps his grandmother.

          3. MAHB001 says

            Look liar, you make a statement like “Now before a doctor cuts you in pieces, they have to ask your insurance first. Not with 0bamacare or expanded 0bamacare.” that is so demonstrably FALSE and expect people to believe you?

            What 0bamacare has done is ENSLAVE Hundreds of Millions of people so that your millions could have care that they would have gotten in the old system anyway… Just because a liar like you says some are better off, when MOST are suffering, just doesn’t make the sacrifice worth it.

            What EXACTLY have you given up for 0bamacare??? I have given up bucket loads of money…. And it is NOT my responsibility to pay for someone strangers healthcare. So don’t force me to be compassionate…

            Your LIES will not go unchallenged. When I see them I will call them out for the evil that they are.

          4. Arizona Don says

            Sorry about you mother.

            I am convinced many if not all of these idiots are not worth our time trying to help them see the light. I do not know if it is stupidly or what but it is sure they have been brainwashed or reeducated to think so wrong. It is absolutely amazing!

            Truth and facts seem to make no difference to a progressive communistic so called democrat.

          5. MAHB001 says

            They are victims of ideological subversion. Unable to see, accept or comprehend anything that goes against their religion, I mean ideology….

            I do not talk to them, I feel I am talking to everybody else who is reading these posts. If we do not confront these idiots with the truth, they will sway others to their side.


          6. Arizona Don says


      2. MAHB001 says

        ?? pmbalele You really need help. Let me ask you these simple questions. Let me give you the answers, NO, NO, and HELL NO.

        Were you born with the right to perfect health?
        Were you born with the right to healthcare?
        Were you born with the right to force me to pay for your healthcare?

        It is not the job of our Government to provide its people health insurance… Unless of course you live in a communist Country….

        You could always move to Cuba where the average wealth is in the thousands, and their leader, Castro, who just died with a net worth of 900 billion……… But, hey, those people had Government supplied healthcare….

    6. Bounderbob says

      If what you say is true then why hasn’t it been repealed? Herr Trump said he had a beautiful plan right after he was elected, where is it? Yesterday he said healthcare was more complicated than anyone knew, duh! What is congress doing? Repeal and replace sounds good but doing it requires more than talk.
      Before you start screaming “liberal b.s.”. I never voted for Obama.

      1. MAHB001 says

        Why hasn’t it been repealed???? The MILLION dollar question. I would do it in a heartbeat. I would tear off the band aid.

        I do not have the answer, but would bet that it has EVERYTHING to do with politics.

        Scum bag Elite Politicians have sewn the seeds of socialism/Communism in a field where they placed land mines. These scumbag Elites care NOT who they hurt, or kill, they only care that they get their Communism.

        That is right, 0bama doesn’t give a shit about who he hurts as long as he gets his position of power. That is why he lied, his lies were designed to instill communism in America, not help the people.

        I would imagine that the current group is trying to figure out how to rip of the band aid while hurting as few as possible and still pinning all the blame on the Elites that planted the land mines.

        Now answer me this, why do you call Trump, Herr Trump?

        1. Bounderbob says

          Herr is the same as Mr. , I just use Herr sometimes to see if anyone’s reading my posts.

          1. MAHB001 says

            Do you really expect me to believe that? You use Herr in an attempt to tie Trump to Hitler. Which is totally wrong on so many levels.

            You can’t even be honest about that can you?

          2. Bounderbob says

            Well that’s your opinion, I have never tried The Donald to Adolph. However; you did! You’ve got to admit “Herr” is an attention getter. (But it still means Mr., nothing more).

          3. MAHB001 says

            Yes, it is my opinion, based and backed by experience. The left has mastered the art of innuendos, and most on these posts are well aware.

            I on the other hand call them like I see them. Isn’t that right, comrade?

            Which of course means close friend or companion….. 🙂

          4. Bounderbob says

            Well comrade, I hate to disappoint you but you are wrong. I meant it only as an attention getter. I have been a Republican for a long long time but I am not a Trump fan because I think he is unqualified. We should just agree to disagree and move on.

    7. jetmagnet says

      With what? You idiots have no clue what the replacement is..and don’t care because you go to the ER.

      1. MAHB001 says

        We don’t need to replace it at all…. PERIOD.

        The health care system was better off without socialized healthcare or as we now know it, 0bamacare.

  3. MichaelZZ says


    Does everyone have an altruistic “right” to health care, and, if so, why?
    Does a society have a pragmatic economic rationale to provide health care for all its citizens?

    PROBLEM: Escalating health care costs, and the insecurities of the populace regarding health care.

    PROVENANCE: Greed, inefficiencies, ignorance, etceteras
    1) Greed includes fraud on the part of providers and patients: controls and severe penalties should be legislated to mitigate.
    2) Inefficiencies include, but are not limited to, inefficient utilization of personnel, equipment and facilities, administrative overhead, and profit motive on steroids.
    3) Ignorance on the part of providers and patients can be mitigated by a massive computerization of information, i.e., the “mind” of the computer is vastly superior to providers and should be made available to patients and providers.
    4) Etceteras to include, but not be limited to, better nutrition, responsibilities and behavior of recipients of health care, and preventative care.

    RESOLUTION: To be determined, subsequent to analyzing the problem


    I believe that the Obama Administration is correct in recognizing that the accelerating cumulative costs of health care in our nation must be addressed.

    Since we know where we are regarding this problem, most energies should be devoted to determining where we should be.

    We must analyze the logistics and economics for the purpose of determining the most efficient and effective method of delivering health care, cost effectively.

    First, a decision must be made as to who will bear the burden of the costs of health care.

    The possibilities include businesses, the recipients of health care services, or the government.

    If it were determined that all costs should be borne by businesses, the good would be that employees would receive health care at no cost, whereas the bad would be that the costs of providing health care would be included in the costs of goods and services produced, which would necessitate higher selling prices for those goods and services than if there were no health care costs.

    For those businesses that compete against similar businesses in other nations, their ability to compete would be adversely affected versus if they did not have the burden of those health care costs.

    Within a competitive world economy, the United States of America should be considered as U.S.A., Inc. and would be competing against Japan, Inc., China, Inc., et cetera, thus it would make pragmatic economic sense to mitigate costs of goods produced.

    If it were determined that all costs should be borne by the recipients of health care services, economic pressures would be placed upon businesses to increase employees’ remuneration to enable them to pay for their health care, thus whether the costs are paid by businesses or employees, the cost to produce goods will include the cost of health care.

    If it were determined that all health care costs should be borne by the government, the good would be that all employees would have health care, and businesses would have their costs to produce goods and services devoid of any health care costs, while the bad would be that the government would inherit the obligation to fund these massive health care costs. Incredibly important benefits would be the sense of security of the populace, which would affect all other aspects of their lives and the enhanced competitiveness of businesses competing internationally.

    The transitioning from where we are to where we should be would cause serious upheavals and dislocations, e.g., employment reconfigurations, but subsequently we will have sophisticated and fine-tuned our current disparate montage of health care to an efficient and cost-effective system for the delivery of health care.

    Our leaders are involved in the process of searching for the correct paradigm regarding the delivery of health care for our nation. Unfortunately, they appear to be in a triage quagmire effort rather than resolving to discover the appropriate paradigm. They are attempting to reconfigure a condemned edifice, rather than tearing down the walls and allowing the light of day to expose truth.

    Economics, rather than politics, religion, et cetera must be the leading factor directing our leaders to the correct paradigm, i.e., where we should be.

    Last modified: 01/28/17

    1. Bachelor With Sense says

      Not bad with the exception that Government provides nothing without first stealing money from the citizens! So your argument that if the government provides health care, there is no costs to businesses and individuals is totally incompatible with reality.

      1. MichaelZZ says

        Whereas my offering will be vastly expanded, I presented it as “food 4 thought”.

        Allow me to define “costs” as any item of expense which is “above the line”, with the “line” being “pre-tax income”.

        Shifting from above the line to below makes our companies more competitive, especially those who are involved with international competition.


    2. TheSkalawag929 says

      I do not understand your use of the word “altruistic” (unselfish) in this sentence but if you mean what I think you mean the answer is yes. As to why. Everyone I know wants to live as long as they possibly can. Having access to affordable health care makes that possible.

      Yes there is a pragmatic rationale for society to make health care as accessible and affordable to its citizenry as possible. The reason being society’s natural gravitation toward preserving its self. A healthy society is more long lived and productive than an unhealthy one. So I don’t think that reducing accessibility to and affordability of health care for millions of Americans is conducive to that goal.
      1) In order to control greed (fraud) republicans would have to pivot 180 degrees from their current position regarding regulation and penalties. I doubt that that would happen in the near future.
      2) The items you have listed can only be addressed by the entity in control of their health care organization within the system.
      3) I think that you assume everyone has access to a computer and is computer literate. I don’t see that as being the case. Plus there already has been a massive computerization of information on the subject. It’s called the internet. But if you mean computerization of personal information then you will be opening several new cans of worms to be dealt with before a resolution can be found.
      4) Affordable accessible health care should resolve that you have listed here. After all wasn’t that one of the reasons for the A.C.A., a healthier populace?
      I get the impression you think businesses, the recipients of health care services, or the government should be responsible for providing health care. I lean more to a better proportioning of the responsibility among the three. The proportioning is the wrench in the works.
      You are correct in that competition is on a global scale now. Most companies in European countries don’t offer medical/health insurance to employees because it is provided through the various governments. And as long as that is the case U.S. businesses will be at a distinct disadvantage.
      Former President Obama and the Democrat control Congress enacted the A.C.A. which took republican’s best ideas from the Heritage Foundation plan and the 1993 republican introduced Health Equity and Access Reform Today legislation. So the problem that republicans have now is that they have no good plan that they agree on to introduce. They can’t introduce anything even remotely similar to the A.C.A. or they will be branded as RINOs and sell-outs by their own party.
      By only saying no for the past eight years republicans have painted themselves into a corner.

      1. MichaelZZ says

        eSkalawag929 MichaelZZ • a day ago
        RE: I do not understand your use of the word “altruistic” (unselfish) in this sentence but if you mean what I think you mean the answer is yes. As to why. Everyone I know wants to live as long as they possibly can. Having access to affordable health care makes that possible. RESPONSE: I do not believe altruism is the primary factor.

        RE: Yes there is a pragmatic rationale for society to make health care as accessible and affordable to its citizenry as possible. The reason being society’s natural gravitation toward preserving its self. A healthy society is more long lived and productive than an unhealthy one. So I don’t think that reducing accessibility to and affordability of health care for millions of Americans is conducive to that goal. RESPONSE: I agree. We need a healthy, educated, and secure populace to enable greater efficiencies.

        1) In order to control greed (fraud) republicans would have to pivot 180 degrees from their current position regarding regulation and penalties. I doubt that that would happen in the near future.

        RE: 2) The items you have listed can only be addressed by the entity in control of their health care organization within the system.
        RESPONSE: What???? lol Please be specific about my offering.

        RE: 3) I think that you assume everyone has access to a computer and is computer literate. I don’t see that as being the case. Plus there already has been a massive computerization of information on the subject. It’s called the internet. But if you mean computerization of personal information then you will be opening several new cans of worms to be dealt with before a resolution can be found.
        RESPONSE: Please re-read.

        RE: 4) Affordable accessible health care should resolve that you have listed here. After all wasn’t that one of the reasons for the A.C.A., a healthier populace?
        RESPONSE: The ACA was and remains a fraud and Pres. Obama looked into our eyes and lied like a sociopath. He could sell ice cubes to Eskimos with his smile and rhetoric.

        RE: I get the impression you think businesses, the recipients of health care services, or the government should be responsible for providing health care.
        RESPONSE: Ha, ha…., who else???

        RE: I lean more to a better proportioning of the responsibility among the three. The proportioning is the wrench in the works.
        RESPONSE: Please re-read.

        RE: You are correct in that competition is on a global scale now. Most companies in European countries don’t offer medical/health insurance to employees because it is provided through the various governments. And as long as that is the case U.S. businesses will be at a distinct disadvantage.
        RESPONSE: Absolutely.

        RE: Former President Obama and the Democrat control Congress enacted the A.C.A. which took republican’s best ideas from the Heritage Foundation plan and the 1993 republican introduced Health Equity and Access Reform Today legislation. So the problem that republicans have now is that they have no good plan that they agree on to introduce. They can’t introduce anything even remotely similar to the A.C.A. or they will be branded as RINOs and sell-outs by their own party.
        By only saying no for the past eight years republicans have painted themselves into a corner.
        RESPONSE: Please re-read and keep it simple by responding to my offering.


        1. TheSkalawag929 says

          ???. Explain your difficulties and keep it simple please.

          1. MichaelZZ says

            What “difficulties”?

            You are, basically, non-responsive.

            I offered a rational and logical roadmap and you, continually, run off on tangents.

            Resolution requires direct examination and dialog.

            Respond to any of my offering without introducing extraneous input.

            I, sincerely, appreciate constructive thoughts.


          2. TheSkalawag929 says

            1) “RESPONSE: I do not believe altruism is the primary factor.”
            Actually it is not a factor all. I don’t understand why you used it.
            2) “RESPONSE: What???? lol Please be specific about my offering.”
            You listed a number of items you think ought to be controlled. I was merely pointing out that until a controlling entity can be determined no control can be exercised.
            3)”RESPONSE: Please re-read.”
            4) “RESPONSE: The ACA was and remains a fraud …”
            What is your proof of fraud?
            It wasn’t President Obama that said you COULDN’T keep your doctor and your plan. That would be the insurance companies. You should direct your ire toward them.
            6) “RESPONSE: Please re-read.”
            Why? Explain your confusion.
            8) “RESPONSE: Please re-read and keep it simple by responding to my offering.”
            Why? Explain your confusion.
            Oh and you can keep the condescension.

          3. MichaelZZ says

            I like to keep things simple, especially when attempting resolution of a problem.

            The article is clear and specific.

            I have asked you to re-read to point out anything with which you disagree and why?

            NOTE: When I respond to anyone, my protocol is to show his or her comment and respond thereto.

            It is the DISCUSSION portion……………..


          4. TheSkalawag929 says

            “I like to keep things simple,”
            This doesn’t seem to be the case to me. Asking me to re-read something without specifying what needs to be re-read and why, to me, doesn’t promote simplicity or clarity.
            It really isn’t necessary to cut and paste the whole comment. Your response at points of disagreement ought to be readily apparent.

  4. 83ragtop50 says

    Kasich had no compelling arguments when he was running for President. He was Johnny One Note and a boring one at that. Obamacare is built upon a flawed foundation of assumptions and open-ended options for the HHS Secretary. No one person – regardless of party affiliation – should wield that kind of power. The insurance companies will find a way to fill the void if the GOP would just get the guts to repeal the monster. I am tried of paying for other people’s “right” to health insurance. I have been helping to pay for their healthcare for years. If you don’t believe just go to an ER in a major city. Just don’t go there if you have a real need. You will wait in line for hours because the “indigent” and illegals are there in droves. I know from personal experience. repeal Obamacare now and get on with it.

    1. crazyfreddie says


    2. mudguy1 says

      Kasich is one of the Rino Republicans that could not turn down the Governments money for Medicaid and he allowed the Obamacare Exchanges.
      But we know that his father was a postman.

    3. jetmagnet says

      What insurance do you have fella? None you peeps pay totally out-of pocket. So cut the bullshit!

      1. 83ragtop50 says

        You do not have a clue what I have experienced in my life. I was one of the stupid ones (possibly like you) that did not have health insurance when our baby daughter was diagnosed with a heart infection that caused congestive heart failure, an enlarged liver and an irregular heart beat. She was in intensive care for almost 6 weeks. Had mouth-to-mouth twice and her heart was shocked twice to bring her back to life. We were in debt over our heads but managed to work our way out of it. I did not whine and cry because the government did not cover for my stupidity. So I suggest that you chill out and grow up. I am not responsible for you.

      2. Bill says

        In other words, “I’m now collecting from you dopes, and I don’t want my gravy train cut off!”

    4. Ferd321 says

      Absolutely correct.

  5. Gammi2Anna says

    There must be a reinstatement of insurance options prior to the repeal of Obamacare. The first step needs to be having a joint meeting with the top 4 or 5 Insurers, asking them to implement new policies that can be affordable for clients that are young and healthy as well as those with chronic health conditions that need care. Insured clients need to know that they must be responsible to live a healthier lifestyle and that insurance is not a right but a privilege, not to be abused. While the private insurers are busy doing this, our government run health care system has to be overhauled with the focus being on identifying and preventing the extreme degree of fraud and corruption that has depleted the revenues set aside for this service. I have spent over 40 years working in every aspect of healthcare. I can say without any reservations that we must stop the fraud committed by those who use our generosity to enrich themselves by fraudulent and coordinated efforts that would be unimaginable to most. Their actions are criminal and usually involve well orchestrated methods of obtaining large quantities of controlled drugs, paid for with our tax dollars, then sold on the streets for profit to only the criminals. This method has also become common within our entire insurance industry, leaving no providers free of the abuses that are creating the need for higher premiums for all of us. There are no provisions, regulations or mandates that were written in the ACA (aka Obamacare) that can be retained for implementation in a new plan. Actually we don’t need a new plan at all, we just need to set up policies and provisions that can be adjusted to the needs of each individual, stop the fraud and encourage responsible behavior by everyone, from the top down.

    1. Bounderbob says

      Isn’t setting up policies and provisions really a new plan?

      1. Bachelor With Sense says

        NO, the policies and provisions would only deal with the Elimination of Government Regulations and the Elimination of Government Agencies/Bureaus. IF you want to consider that a Health care plan, then I would contend that the Best Health Care Plan would be a Law that Arrested ALL Democrats and dropped them into some Communist Country (like Cuba or Venezuela). Now THAT would be a Great Health Care Plan!

        1. Bounderbob says

          You keep doing it. You can’t create policies and provisions in a vacuum. They would have to be created by some Government agency.
          While I am having fun with this discussion about one sentence, I think it’s time to end.

    2. Mathew Molk says

      Leave Medicare alone. They were not shy about taking the money out of our checks throughout our working lives, so now we are not ashamed to demand they live up to what thy promised.

      Keep Medicaid for the “poor” – I don’t know how they are going to pay fr it but that is a problem for congress to solve.

      Every body else, Remove restrictions from insurance companies and let them fight each other for the business. – It’s called capitalism and through supply and demand the costs are sure to drop. It will also cause insurance companies to force hospitals amd other healthcare people to streamline their operations by not dealing with the bloated ones. (Far too any administrators, too few floor nurses for example)

      And lest you don’t think there is big bucks, even now, in being an insurance company, Check what they pay their CEOs and how their stocks are doing. – Get the government out of the healthcare business and let the insurance companies have at it for our insurance dollars.

      And while they are at it make the VA an insurance company too. You go to whatever doctor you want and then they send the bill to the VA. What the VA pays in electric and heating costs alone in the buildings they would close and sell would constitute a giant savings. Lots of GS14s and 16s would be off the payroll too. Private hospitals operate at higher efficiencies too so that is where GIs would go. More savings. Better service.

  6. Comanche7WL says

    My humble opinion. The more we get the Govt out of healthcare the better. If you work for a medium to large size company they have people to search and set up programs for their employees. Without goofy regulations smaller companies and self employed will be able to buy what get need in a competitive market. The elderly and retired on Medicare which is very good if you choose correctly. The desperately poor folks are on Medicaid. People near or slightly above the poverty level is the major problem. Also there is a catastrophic need. Biggest issue, get the Government out of it. And, we cannot give everything to illegal aliens. Sorry, help with major issues and send them back!

  7. phil says

    Kasich has no offerings. He should go away.
    It’s not for republicans or democrats to come up with a system. ITS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS DUTY TO INSURE US Restore what we had but allow us to buy across state lines. It’s that simple. Let the free market Be the cost regulator. Go to Canada if you rather be spoon fed by the government. We are Americans!! We demand to be free to choose.

  8. dhartley231 . says

    Like Trump said no one should be forced to buy health insurance . Clean up OUR air, land, water and we would get rid of a lot of health problems.

    1. nipita says

      You want see a reduction in health problems what you say will help. But the major issues we see today is not from what you claim. Now does Diabetes come from the air, water and land directly? Do you read what is in processed foods. Here is one little hint you will find in a majority of them will have some kind of sweetener added. We are on a SUGAR fix plain and simple. If think I’m blowing smoke up your DONKEY go outside your back yard and see what is found there. ( Some will understand what I mean ) Look at how large our serving portions are today. We do over eat. I know from being beyond my backyard what goes on there and how they eat how much and portion sizes. How much sweet they take in. So we can learn from those that are beyond our backyard. Another fact they have a far healthier diet than the majority here.

  9. Peter Pihun says

    Combine the best of the two former GOP doctors and repeal ACA now!

  10. Tiger says

    They are going to have to do what they promised and they are going to have to follow their leader, who is getting more popular daily. If they do not Trump will call them out by name at midterms and they will not be back, that would be such a good thing.

    Last night the big fiasco that the Democrats plotted for and were expecting during Trump’s speech didn’t happen, they looked insipid sitting there pouting and they have lost everything and more is coming.

  11. Tiger says

    My friends the best laid plans of rats, mice and traitors to our original Founding Fathers, this is what is going on. For years this was the plan. This Washington District of Columbia, separate from the country, not listening to the country, not following the laws of this country needs to be fumigated. They lost everything with this election. Everything and personally to the Rockefeller who are still out there I wish you nothing but ill will and I curse the day you and the Fords and others were born.

    are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine
    and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings
    and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It
    would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if
    we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those
    years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to
    march towards a World Government.The supranational sovereignty of an
    intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the
    national auto-determination practiced in past centuries”

    David Rockefeller to Trilateral Commission in 1991

  12. kassa1 says

    Kasich is nothing more than a bitch of the OWO! Obama care was designed again to rape the working people of their money as communist do not want anyone but the ruling Eliet to have money1%!

  13. daveveselenak says

    Hey asshole Kascich, they’ll go where they have been going thanks to you and the Communist Party USA and their former leader, the Muslim-Marxist jihadist and “Dick-taker-N-Thief” – onto the streets of America in order to disrupt the country as their intentions where, that’s where they’ll go!

  14. mudguy1 says

    We were never promised a “REPLACEMENT”. Just a repeal of every WORD. If all they do is a replacement The GOP will lose the Senate in the 2018 election.

  15. anibanib says

    There is nothing to find, just tell every Citizenín the USA to buy private Insurance for Healthcare and medication………..I am sure the Insurance companies will love the idea…………and quite possibly millions will die…… what!!!!!!!

  16. Ken says says

    Kasich has been a Liberal Elite Establishment PUPPET for over 20 years. Kasich is just another one of Barry O’s voices in the Swamp. The unAffordable Care Act was Created and Planned to be a TAX DOLLAR SUCKING LEACH from the very beginning – through it’s short history and as long as it continues to live it will be a tax dollar sucking leach. If Congress doesn’t have the intelligence and intestinal fortitude to repeal Obamacare – just step back and let it implode and it will kill itself.

    Stop the tax dollar waste.

  17. Morton99 says

    My guess is that repeal and replace will be a dog and pony show – with Obamacare being renamed and barely changed. The underlying problem is that many Republicans cannot grasp that you cannot have no penalty for an existing condition AND low cost healthcare insurance. The existing condition part is what makes US insurance so expensive.

  18. AntiGOP says

    You know that Obamacare plan that you all have been undermining for years now…

    Well guess what…YOU ALL… now own the POLITICAL NUCLEAR BOMB you created.



  19. Richard Hennessy says

    I have heard that one problem that Republicans have had trying to reach agreement on a replacement plan is what to do about the expanded Medicaid program in Obamacare. I believe they should not do anything to replace it. Those states that foolishly implemented expanded Medicaid, when it didn’t include any means to fund it (supposedly “free” Federal money), should be responsible for whatever funds will be expended on the program in their states. They implemented it; they should own it. It was always a lie, and Republicans should not be responsible for making good on Obamacare’s lies.

  20. Edgar Skinner says

    My Governor of Ohio, what a Turd.

  21. dahniuru says

    I repeat the question: You want Obamacare, show proof that you have paid for your own Health Care Insurance in the past. People down the street from me had a huge problems with Cancer, and their Policy didn’t cover it, but with Obamacare they didn’t have to pay anything. They also got to keep their 2 BMW’s: their $450,000 dollar home; their Time-Share Vacation homes in Hawaii, Costa Rica and Florida.

    1. Bounderbob says

      Are you related to lerose55?

  22. lerose55 says

    I am hoping Trumps plan is alot cheaper & better coverage, an insurance that all doctors will take. The short time I was on Obamacare I had problems getting doctors, the first thing they ask me was did I have ACA, sorry we don’t except that ins.

    1. Morton99 says

      And exactly what magic do you think he will use to force doctors and hospitals and insurance companies to charge less and give better coverage ?

    2. Bounderbob says

      ACA is not insurance! What are you smoking?

  23. W. Coyote says

    Obamacare incorporated Republican ideas generated at the Heritage Foundation. Approximately 38% of the actual language was written by Republicans in previous bills and “recycled” into the ACA. Why did the Republicans turn against their own ideas and bills? Purely political. It was part of McConnell’s strategy of making Obama a one term president. They didn’t want to cooperate with anything that President Obama could take credit for. They were most afraid that it would be successful, hence all the lies told about it-“government takeover of health care”, “socialized medicine”, “death panels”, etc.

  24. Richard J. Waldron says

    Here’s a little factoid for you “97% of all medical claims are under $6000.00″….What’s the average Deductible for an un affordable plan?…..$6000.00! Insurance companies are soaking it up like a gravy train on biscuit wheels!

  25. Elizabeth Raynor Short says

    And what does obamacare do for drug-addicted and mentally ill? Look to the FACTS. Repeal the monster. Govt officials and politicians want to hang onto as much of the money and power O-care usurped as possible. Let the market work. It’s a very small % that obtained insurance under o-care who did not previously have it – and that’s assuming you call medicaid “insurance”. Medicaid can’t be open-ended because such is unsustainable and designed to cause system failure to usher in single payor (socialized) medicine. Don’t allow it. And don’t fall for the lies.

    1. Bounderbob says

      I believe the small percentage you talk about has been estimated to be 20 million.

  26. Arizona Don says

    Repeal is most important. Replace is rather disconcerting why does government have to have a hand in healthcare? Set some guide lines and get out of the way and let free enterprise take care of it. There are still dozens upon dozens of healthcare providers most would get involved very quickly. Only one thing keeps costs down and quality up. It is called competition. Competition is great for consumers. Government involvement brings quality down and runs costs up. If someone gets left out allow medicaid take care of them until it is straightened out.

    This so called government we have had for the last 40 years or so is what has caused all the problems by allowing so many mergers. Airlines, banks and many other important enterprises like many manufacturing companies. But what is the one thing all these companies have in common? Think about it for a while. Does no one realize corporations merge to cut down on competition in order to enhance bottom line which means higher prices to consumers. Why even have a anti-trust law if congress never enforces it. But why do they not enforce it and approve these mergers. I thought you’d never ask! Lobbyist who pay for the Senators and Congressmen reelections. That is why and how they turn against the people who actually elect them. Follow the money!!!

  27. Morton99 says

    In 8 years they failed to find a replacement – so why should anyone believe that they can now ?

  28. organic granny says

    I’m sick of hearing about the people on medicaid and their rights.

    Obamacare needs to be repealed. I say in its entirety, and write the “parts we want to keep” into the new bill. If any part of obamacare is retained, then I think it leaves the door open to future reinstatements of the rest of it. JUST GET RID IF IT ALL and bury it in the dungheap of failed social experiments.

  29. just me says

    Just fix it and quit wasting the taxpayers money

  30. GuardianFlame says

    Nice try Kasich. You seem concerned, but obviously know nothing about obamaCAUSTICcare – the worst healthcare in the World! Does he actually think our Poor and Destitite have the mandate? That shows how very clueless he really is. OUR POOR CAN’T AFFORD THE MONTHLY PAYMENTS — WAY TOO HIGH FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES – OUT OF REACH FOR THE POOR!
    Another fact abt the killer mandate – DOCTORS/MEDICAL GROUPS are NOT taking patients on obamacare! The number of doctors even accepting patients has shrunk to almost none. So who do these obamacare patients go see — EMERGENCY ROOMS – like another blogger mentioned. They are clogging up all the Emergency Rooms because there are only a few doctors taking anything obamacare. WHAT IS KASICH TALKING ABOUT? He has no idea how bad that health mandate is.

    Kasich needs to back off until he gets his facts straight about obamacare. He has no idea what he is saying. Pres Trump must repeal ALL OF THE HEALTH MANDATE – Not just parts of it – 100% of it! Let’s pray P.T. is smarter than to listen to Kasich.

  31. James Maxwell says

    First the Republicans need to repeal the Unaffordable care in its entirety. There is not need to try to
    design another version of Obama care to replace it. Remove it and the taxes associated with it. Let
    the Free market make offers to the public cover the void. After it is repealed and the burden is removed
    from the Tax Payers then and only then can they decide if some “assistance” is needed for some to
    cover Pre-Existing conditions or special needs individuals. If the Republicans do not get off their
    respective lard assed and do something they voters will turn on them in the mid term and put the
    Democrat Socialist back in office and destroy any gains they have a chance to make. Stop playing
    childish games and get serious about doing the work of the VOTERS or get the hell out of those
    cushy jobs and benefits.

  32. Ken says says

    Kasich the RINO Establishment Puppet has nothing new to add – just attempting to save as much of the unAffordable Care Act as he can for his buddy Barry O – take a hike Kasick – Drain the Swamp

  33. jetmagnet says

    The republican plan is a joke and puts Insurance companies back in control of your healthcare.
    The GOP make you pay through the nose so insurance companies can donate to their reelection. I hope the GOP repeals it and suffers in 2018 when millions of pissed off voter realize they were screwed.

  34. jetmagnet says

    Trump and the GOP are morons, their cabinets is full of commies and swamp dwellers.
    Trump and his billionaire buddies get free socialized healthcare from the government, but expect americans to use up most of their money to fill insurance billionaires pockets. lol

  35. Greg Edwards says

    the middle class said ,health care was cheaper before obama care. myself my doctors are charging twice as much as before obama care. put an end to obama care. then put together a real plan for health care.

    1. jetmagnet says

      Was cheaper? LMAO! You probably never had anyone with a preexisting condition, paid for your kids separately or didn’t realize they could cancel you because you got sick too much( lifetime caps. You sir are a dubious pawn. Thousands of people had to mortgage their homes pay for cancer treatment and other serious illnesses. Maybe you get free heathcare, or you have huge savings to pay ..(I doubt it). There is no other plan that’s cheaper. Think about it. healthcare companies have to make a profit for themselves and their shareholders. When you lose millions of customers, like repeal, you have to raise rates…insurance companies aren’t going to take a hit, and neither are hospitals that depend on ACA and medicaid to make up for Bums like you sir that show up at the ER and stiff the hospital.

      1. Greg Edwards says


      2. Greg Edwards says


  36. J_in_TX says

    Obamacare replacement – 1) Cover pre-existing conditions 2) Open up purchases of insurance across state lines 3) People purchase the coverage they want and can afford 4) Let the free market decide the rest.

  37. Ken says says

    One of the most important steps in cleaning up Health Care is getting rid of the ARTIFICIAL INFLATED “PRICE LIST” that establish the price of all Medical Services, Supplies and Pharmaceuticals. The Price list was created by the Medical/Pharmaceutical Industries and the Insurance Companies. The creation of the “PRICE LIST” was to be sure the patients were equally screwed. (published in TIME 2+ years ago)

  38. Jeanne Turnage says

    Both parties, Dems and Repub. need to come up with a health care plan that covers everyone, including Congress, and the administration.. don’t you believe we would have a great health care plan that is fair.

    1. mudguy1 says

      Yes and the best plan need to start with is to get the GOVERNMENT OUT of our healthcare. Then it will be fair.

  39. dahniuru says

    Kasich now thinks he won the election. Wrong!!! I think people should have Health Care, that they can afford. But, where is the responsibility they have to buy their own Insurance? 9 our of 19 Obamacare holders in Oregon are subsidized by tax payers, like me. I’ve bought my own Insurance for 25 years. I do expect others to do as much. I cannot develop a lot of empathy for those who expect free Health Care, or free anything. It’s not free! People like me pay for it. That makes us slave labor, and I’m tired of that role.

    Some people should read Alinsky’s Red Book of how to bring down America. The Alinsky followers do not want to improve America, but to just destroy it.

  40. leewacker says

    Want a replacement for Obamacare? Then, why not go to those who are in the business? Medical people, insurance actuaries, the insurance comanies themselves? The entire matter could have been fixed with some very minor changes within the industry, but the Democrats decided we should be further enslaved, and we were given Obamacare with a strong dose of Nancy Pelosi.

  41. glorybe2 says

    The republican party is a bag of squirrels who don’t even like their own kind. They will agree on almost nothing. They have had years to design a good national health care plan and done nothing. They caused great harm in the formation of Obama Care as they fought it tooth and nail and compromises had to be made to please them. If anything they should add benefits to Obama Care and get control of the emdical industry with price and wage controls.

  42. mudguy1 says

    So if Gov. John Kasich was no fan of Obamacare why did he allow the Obamacare exchanges in Ohio and the expansion of Medicaid.
    To bad Kasich didn’t follow what his father did and become a Postman.

  43. Ken says says

    If OUR EMPLOYEES can’t get the job done – just let it continue to implode and DO NOT waste any more taxpayer dollars on the unACA as it goes down the drain with billions of our tax dollars. If OUR EMPLOYEES can’t extract their heads from the posteriors they won’t get off of – just do a “restore to 2008” and we can use the old system that worked somewhat and was affordable – then in 2018 we can start replacing the DEAD WEIGHT in Congress.

  44. Yul bolsun says

    Drop aca totally.

  45. ONLYJB1 says

    We all need to STOP! Take a minute to realize the problems with healthcare in America. Out of control lawsuits! Out of control “Big Pharma”! Out of control “Big Insurance”! First address the fact that the fees for medical care are out of control and WHY! This isn’t rocket science people. We are facing a dilemma of our own creation! Follow the money! The truth of this disaster is obvious. Unfortunately, what it will take to repair this failed system, will ultimately destroy some careers and some people’s lives. To me the fate of 318 million rest on the fact that 10K or 50K people may be ruined! Very much like reversing our tax codes. To implement a 10% flat tax would essentially destroy all the CPA’s. Destroy all the tax consulting businesses. Destroy the infrastructure of an illegal tax implementation! So let’s look at this objectively. One in a thousand citizens will be hurt. A thousand to one will be enabled to receive fair priced healthcare! Is there something about these facts you don’t except or understand?

  46. Barbara Ervin says

    Congress already passed one bill to ‘fix’ Obamacare but, guess what, Obama vetoed it. Perhaps they should dust that one off and send it to President Trump. It may very well be to his liking!

  47. Anna M Yasson says

    Why not have the insurance company’s maybe that way something might get done right.
    Dump Obama care.
    Matter of fact., Obama, was not a citizen, erase all of him , should not be treated as o past president, which he had no right…

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