Chicago Liberals Blame Gun Laws for Violence

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While Americans across the country were enjoying the fireworks, Chicago residents listened to the echoes of gunfire that marked yet another bloody July 4th weekend. The exact numbers differ depending on which news source you use, but at least 60 people were shot, 10 of whom lost their lives. Among the victims was a 7-year-old boy named Amari Brown. Police believe the bullet that killed Brown was intended for his father, a known gang member.

Predictably, the violence led to more calls for gun control from Chicago authorities. The liberal city establishment has done almost nothing to stop the scourge of gang violence, perhaps because they keep going back to the same unworkable and irrelevant policies. Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said manpower alone was not enough to make a difference in the Windy City’s troubled communities.

“If you think that putting more cops on the street would make a difference, then take a look at the fact that we put a third more manpower on the street for this weekend,” McCarthy said. “What’s the result? We’re getting more guns. Well, that’s great. It’s not stopping the violence. And it’s not going to stop the violence until criminals are held accountable and something is done to stem the flow of these guns into our city.”

McCarthy sounds more reasonable than many on the anti-gun left, perhaps because he actually has experience in dealing first-hand with what can only be described as a domestic war zone. But even he doesn’t quite get it, and his obvious allegiance to Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s zealotry seeps through his philosophy. In a city with some of the strictest gun laws in the country, it makes no sense to keep pretending that gun control is going to save the Southside.

Indeed, this is a problem that will only be conquered when politicians are brave enough to address the root causes of gang activity. That means poring over drug laws, instituting “broken windows” policing, moving away from government dependence as a way of life, and strengthening the sentences for those who break the law. Making it harder for law-abiding Chicago residents to get a gun is as absurd as…well…attacking the Confederate flag in the wake of a mass murder. But there you go. Democrats are going to Democrat.

What’s sad about Chicago is that it takes an extraordinary death toll – and the death of a child – to even garner national attention. That a situation like this exists in the United States is a national shame. And make no mistake about it: like Baltimore, Chicago is a Democrat problem from start to finish. If they could have cleaned things up by now, they would have. In the meantime, gun groups will gladly lump Chicago’s gang casualties into the national statistics on gun violence, painting a skewed picture of American culture. Nothing will get solved. As long as the left has a stranglehold on the urban vote, there will be no peace.

450 Comments
  1. Croco Dile says

    “….The liberal city establishment has done almost nothing to stop the scourge of gang violence….”
    Why should they ?

    Governments, having exploited popular fears of violence successfully from time immemorial (promising “security”).
    Fear, like every other “productive” resource, is subject to the laws of production. Thus, it cannot escape the law of diminishing marginal productivity : as successive doses of fear-mongering are added to the government’s “production” process, the incremental public clamor for governmental protection declines. The first time the government cries wolf, the public is frightened; the second time, less so; the third time, still less so. If the government plays the fear card too much, it overloads the public’s sensibilities, and eventually people discount almost entirely the government’s attempts to frighten them further.

    The government must make up for the depreciation by investing in the maintenance, modernization, and replacement of its stock of FEAR CAPITAL.

    By keeping the population in a state of artificially heightened apprehension, the government-cum-media prepares the ground for planting specific measures of taxation, regulation, surveillance, reporting, and other invasions of the people’s wealth, privacy, and freedoms. Left alone for a while, relieved of this ceaseless bombardment of warnings, people would soon come to understand that hardly any of the announced threats has any substance and that they can manage their own affairs quite well without the security-related regimentation and tax-extortion the government seeks to justify.

    1. Conservative says

      Exactly the uninformed public always get on board for every ‘feel good’ new Government Program without realizing that each of these programs need money to set up and maintain. Do people realize that most of these programs are designed in exchange for million dollar donations made by very individual wealthy campaign donors, corporations, etc? They are held in the very wealthy’s lavish home where promises for high government positions, appointments in the Administration, jobs for themselves, families, friends, global trade deals etc. Every year they need more money and, of course, the money must come from the taxpayers, thus, higher taxes so that no matter how good a program is advertised and enacted it raises taxes along with every other commodity needed for everything a person uses. Surely no one believes that this whole environmental issue is not going to bring in multiple billions to the very wealthy campaign donors and someone or some corporation is going to become very wealthy improving roads. When undocumented persons, when proper ID is not needed, when the uninformed are encouraged to vote it becomes should become obvious that is is not for the people; it is for the Democrats who will do anything to get those votes so that they can enrich themselves with power and wealth. People just need to take the blinders off their eyes and use their minds to realize how they are being manipulated and yes, used and abused. This is why the IRS grows expands massively each year and even those employees get enormous salaries, vacations, lavish conventions and now with Lois Lerner, they are simply corrupt. I wonder how much of a donation it cost some millionaire to give her the job she was, in no way, qualified for.

      1. Croco Dile says

        People are cowards and this will never change.

  2. conservmrs says

    Yes, of course, it is the Gun Laws that kill people (sarcasm)!!! After all, don’t those murderers read and follow the gun laws???? Maybe if the liberals/socialists/marxist/communists/etc…… ENFORCED the LAWS of our Country there would be fewer MURDERS!!!!!

  3. SouthernPatriot says

    Of course leftists will blame something else for their failures. They always do. It is automatic, part of their existence. Dozens shot and ten killed amidst the most restrictive anti-Second Amendment laws in the country, and yet it is gun laws which are to blame. In a sense, this is true, just not in the way, the leftists proclaim it.

    Gun laws which restrict gun ownership for the good Chicagoan leaves the Gun Free Zone available to the criminals/gangs, mentally unsound, and jihadists. For the most part in Chicago, gangs are killing gangs. That is like the Mafia killing the Mafia. But there are innocents that are caught up in the cross fire, including children. If all law-abiding citizens of Chicago were armed, there would soon be less violence.

    1. brucefandrews says

      True but then the liberal politicians wouldn’t get more power. It’s never been about stopping crime or even saving lives. It’s always been about power.

      1. dockilldare says

        no truer words have been said here on this thread. thank you for pointing this out. even if you did beat me to the punch…

      2. festmatt5440 says

        And , ‘ control ‘.

    2. Gary Dingle says

      Gun violence is a failure of the USA. You call yourself Southern Patriot. If you are a patriot you are a patriot for the entire nation. When we send people off to die in war they fight for the entire country. You are absolutely right about the gun violence in Chicago as well as many other large urban areas of this great country we live in. Don’t be fooled. People in Chicago have guns and have had guns for years. But armed citizens do not stop the gun violence. It increases it. Now Chicago allows conceal carry with restrictions like the rest of the country. The violence has only increased or remained the same since the conceal carry laws were passed. The problem is easy access and zero accountability. Gun stores sell guns to anyone multiple times. They know these guys have to be straw purchasers making money on resales to anyone willing to pay inflated prices. Chicago can’t solve this problem the same way Baltimore, Miami, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Dallas, Phoenix, Los Angeles or any major city without the assistance from the entire country. We are still one country and we have to work together to solve this problem and save lives. A single gun store in Indiana sold guns used in multiple Chicago murders and the Northern Illinois University massacre. Some of the guns used in Chicago murders were purchased via a straw buyer who had history with the store. The Northern Illinois University shooter suffered from mental illness, but was able to buy guns less than a week before committing the campus murders. The 2nd Amendment could not and did not intend to make arming children and the mentally ill with military weapons. It did not intend to support the killing of American citizens. It seems that no matter how great the carnage, no matter how terrifying the deaths, no matter how innocent the victims like those poor children in Sandy Hook whose tiny bodies were blown to pieces, we seem to be perfectly happy in our 2nd amendment justification and acceptance. The following statement has been convoluted to increase and maintain the sale of guns. It has been convoluted to enable people to open carry assault rifles in neighborhoods where they are not wanted, it has been convoluted to allow the killing of over 350, 000 and over 1 million injuries in the past 10 years. It allowed the killing of 20 preteen children in their school without a national initiative to even attempt to do something to prevent it from ever happening again. In fact we have endured multiple mass shootings since the Sandy Hook massacre without even as much as discussion about prevention. The following short often confusing article from the constitution: The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:

      A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      We are a country that has spent trillions of dollars to build the greatest military force the world has ever seen, yet we arm ourselves as if we are in a war and we kill each other at rates that we have not seen since the Civil war. But now we kill and injure for zero reason.

      1. mac12sam12 says

        Funny how the cities with the highest gun crimes have the toughest gun laws. Disarming law abiding citizens will not save lives. Here’s some FBI stats, 60% of gun related deaths are suicides. 62% of the rest are black gang bangers killing each other. The rest is justifiable killings by police and armed citizens. We actually have a low gun crime rate and it has been going down since 1994.

      2. David Kledzik says

        For one the 2nd Amendment is not confusing. By the word militia it was meant any able bodied male in the citizenry who could take up arms to defend against the tyranny. And B.S. on the military weapons part, I was in the military and AR doesnt stand for assault rifle, it stands for armalite rifle, the weapons first manufacturer of said firearm. And they dont even come close to what a real military grade Assualt Rifle is. FBI studies show that over 98% of all straw purchases are made from other criminals who have records and couldnt even pass a NICS background check to begin with. And theres also a large majority of automatic weapons that drug dealers and gangs use, and they sure as hell arent buying them from gun shows or dealers because they are illegal. Dont take my word for it look it up its there. Just quit believing everything you hear about the big bad gun, because they are lying to you. Emotion has no place in the world of facts.

        1. David Kledzik says

          Gun control isn’t about controlling guns, its about control, PERIOD!!

      3. joe says

        Not a single fact in that whole spew nothing to back up a word you say so it is all meaningless dribble made up by you and your left wing retard pals. You are wasting your time here corky you donot understand the constitution or even the meaning of the word Militia and you do not know what an assault rifle is because they arte NOT on our streets dimwit. An AR-15 is not an assault weapon, it is NOT a military weapon it just looks like one IT DOES NOT FUNCTION LIKE ONE MORON, wow clueless as usual speaking about something you know NOTHING about

      4. festmatt5440 says

        ” F o o L “.

  4. oaking says

    The gun laws absolutely are a factor in the violence because the law abiding citizens won’t have what is needed to protect themselves, and a policeman is so heavy to carry around.
    Remove the gun laws and then the citizens can defend themselves and gun violence will be reduced as criminals think twice.
    All gun laws ‘infringe’ upon my right to bear arms.

    1. Mike Failla says

      An armed society is a polite society and we must always remember that when seconds count, the police are only minutes sway. It is OUR job to protect ourselves and our loved ones. You cant abdicate that responsibility. 2nd amendment exists to protect our populace from an overreaching government.

    2. festmatt5440 says

      in a country where the people are permitted to have weapons , they are called citizens ‘; in a country where guns are outlawed ; they are known as ‘ subjects ‘.

  5. jimmy hoffa says

    Until the government, State or Federal. Come down hard on these gangbangers, this will continue to happen. Even if they passed laws of outlawing guns in America. Ask or as the brothers prefer, ax Mexico, how their gun laws are doing….

    1. Conservative says

      We don’t even have to ask Mexico, we simply have to look at Chicago and all the cities run by Democratic politicians who have created and maintain a welfare city or state so they can keep people dependent, uneducated, on the government ‘plantations’ which ultimately destroys the human spirit. Sadly this is passed down from generation to generation. There can be no further proof than to see that ever since Lyndon Johnson the “War on Poverty”, the majority of black lives have not improved. How did this war start? The Republicans fought the entire Democratic Senate and House that was composed of mostly former KKK members so that the blacks would have the right to vote which the Democrats fought ferociously. Therefore, the blacks, once they could vote, voted Republican. Then President Lyndon Johnson came up with the “War on Poverty” with his famous statement. “We will give those n**********so much they will be voting for us for 100 years”. Unfortunately, this has kept blacks enslaved with so-called kindness. The only ones whose lives have been enriched with power and wealth are the Democrats that covertly keep the majority of blacks emotionally and financially enslaved.

    2. Gary Dingle says

      Mexico’s guns come from the USA. In fact most of the guns used in South America are manufactures in the USA. We buy the drugs and they buy our weapons.

      1. mac12sam12 says

        Mexican drug cartels don’t get their weapons from the US. They use fully auto rifles and grenade launchers with aren’t available in this country. You are full of a lot of misinformation!

      2. David Kledzik says

        No way, they are almost all fully automatic and they get them from countries that make them not the U.S.,, Mexico has the strictest gun laws in the world and the highest crime and murder rate. There are over twenty five gun manufacturers in south america alone, so you can take fact off of your statement, because you are misinformed. But you might be correct about 000.001% percent of your statement, they did get about two thousand guns from the U.S. government, you know the Fast And Furious. What a joke that was.

      3. festmatt5440 says

        Maybe ‘ it is time , that you ‘, ” the bumbling idiot ” ; started to pay attention ‘.

      4. jimmy hoffa says

        So that gives the illegals the right to invade America?

  6. chris berrian says

    That’s What happens when all the factorys are gone and there is no work. Everyone’s selling drugs and fighting for teritory..

    1. festmatt5440 says

      Speaking ‘ , of N A F T A ‘.

  7. Robert G. Smith says

    When the Second Amendment became part of The Bill of Rights Thomas Jeffson made this statement, ” Since the people now have the right to keep and bear arms they should be required to do so”. Also remember there are no disclaimers in the Second Amendment. Any controls attempted to be placed on any arms are unconstitutional. If some thug thinks you may be armed he will be less likely to attempt an assault on you.

    1. Combatvet52 says

      If some thug thinks you may be armed he will be less likely to attempt an assault on you.

      Could not say it any better…………just perfect.

      1. Gary Dingle says

        Please try to understand the demographics before commenting. These are kids killing kids. These are young adults who say it is easier to get a gun than buy a beer. The guns are purchased from surrounding suburban towns and states often by people who quickly resale them to gang members at hugely inflated prices. . The other day a 7 year old was killed by a teen shooting at his father. They are members of gangs that fight over territory or revenge. Targets are not the average citizen. Sometimes people are misidentified and targeted. So no matter how many armed citizens we have on the streets of any large city the gang violence and killing will not decrease. Arming people essentially increases the incidence of non-gang related gun violence and deaths. Also, accidental gun death and injury increase with the increase in guns on the streets. There are criminals who will rob and mug. But generally they just want money. However, why would a robber take the chance in a confrontation that could cost him his life? Why wouldn’t a mugger or robber just shot the victim in the back? The victim could be armed with all types of guns. Why wouldn’t a mugger or a robber just shoot the victim in the back of the head with a silencer that can be legaly purchased at gun shows now?

        1. Kent2012 says

          then the gang task force needs to be recharged and mandated to eliminate the problem, i.e. gang members

        2. Combatvet52 says

          So why in the hell should i suffer that these Liberal JA$$eS want to take my guns away I’m a law abiding citizen Iv’e been a CCW holder for the past 62 years, my gun saved my life twice without even firing it, their stupid back round checks are a failure, when was the last time you saw a hood or criminal register his gun, there are many gun laws on the books that don’t mean squat, if there is a shooting nine times out of ten theres the plea bargain……and then of course the LIBERAL Judges who slap them on the hand and there out on the street again.
          Just look at that POS who killed that girl, he was deported 5 times and comes back into America to do more damage no trial for this garbage find the nearest tree.

          1. Gerry Costa says

            Right on the nose — Combat !!!!

          2. Combatvet52 says

            Thanks Gerry…….Iv’e got a lot of miles on me and I’m sick of listening to all this gun control crap.

          3. Gary Dingle says

            The constitution that allow you to carry a gun should be ignored out of anger? Hang him from a tree? Where was the anger for the Sandy Hook massacre? I hope you are just as angry about the Charleston murders. No one wants tom take your guns. We need your help in prevention of future gun deaths and massacres. You talk about anti guns laws but I can purchase a Barrett 50 caliber sniper rifle on line. How much more freedom do I need. Even Chis Christie could ban the sale of the gun in New Jersey. Who needs a sniper rifle in New Jersey?

          4. joe says

            The constitution does not ALLOW me to do anything wow you do not even understand the constitution. The constitution tells the government that they can NOT take my right to own a weapon away. The constitution is a set of rules to control the government not the people, you need a history lesson.

          5. ipsd48 says

            You may be able to ‘purchase’ it online Gary…………but you can’t TAKE POSSESSION of it withough a background check OR a federally licensed dealer.

          6. QUASAR says

            Well put .

          7. QUASAR says

            If you are a law abiding citizen why the hell not ‘I would love to have that bad ass BARRETT in my collection ‘ yes it is a sniper rifle but who says it can’t be used for fun like at the range ‘ a gun is a tool that can do nothing on it’s own friend ‘only when people begin to realize its the person and not the gun committing the crime can we ever move forward.

          8. festmatt5440 says

            Your ” stu – pid ” ; is showing ‘ , again .

          9. Combatvet52 says

            Sandy Hook and Charleston was a terrible thing i feel for all those poor family’s, just like i had to visit my friends Mom to make her more comfortable that her son died right near me on the front line in Korea, telling her the whole story when i got home was tough……..But that slime that i said should be hung there are many people that agree with me on that. BTW I was an NRA instructor for over 30 years, I did my part teaching SAFTEY SAFTEY.

          10. QUASAR says

            You got that right ‘ stricter gun laws do nothing cuz the criminals don’t go to gun shows or through background checks to get theirs ‘Harsher punishment is what’s needed ‘1st offense with a gun = 25 years in prison without parole 2nd offense =life without parole ‘ HOMOCIDE with a gun =LETHAL INJECTION immediately.

        3. danny kimbrel says

          BS you have to pass a background check to purchase a suppressor , there is no such thing as a silencer, that is Hollywood ignorance.i have the ultimate answer in fighting the plague of violence, open a hunting season on gang members, twenty dollars a pelt, in this economy there would only be about fifty in existence because they would crawl under any stone that would cover their cowardly hides

          1. Gary Dingle says

            I could not remember suppressor. You have some strange and funny ideas about the constitution. How can you believe in the 2nd amendment and talk about killing people like animals. Why not just get rid of the 2nd amendment?

          2. danny kimbrel says

            A better question is Why not just get rid of all liberal people ? then we could all protect ourselves as we saw fit, then we wouldn’t hear about a child being shot in sh!tcago ! Besides if a person acts like an animal, then there you go . it would be just that, killing an animal. Have you ever heard the saying “manner maketh man” ? i seriously doubt it, or you would already know that raising children with no morals and no respect creates a manner less society and when the law abiding people can arm themselves, the low life gang members doing all the killing will be the ones living in fear.

          3. QUASAR says

            I’m with you there buddy’ take all the anti gun politicians and all liberals and ship them off to a remote island where they will be unable to get back ‘see how long it takes to get on each others nerves telling each other what to do before they are screaming for a gun to shoot the other .F*****g idiots will never understand that GUNS STOP CRIMES FROM HAPPENING .

          4. QUASAR says

            You are a complete idiot ‘if you get rid of the second amendment you will have no rights as the second guarantees all others.Yeah so he said he’s shoot somebody if they tried to harm him’what’s wrong with that .Why don’t you go to your little utopia where no one ever dies and let the rest of us live in the real world you ass clown.

          5. festmatt5440 says

            Go back where you came from ‘ ; the Huff. ‘ post .

          6. Gary Dingle says

            Who does the background check? There are states that have little or no background checks. What is the law in Arizona? Could I buy a suppressor at a gun show? I can purchase a Barrett sniper rifle.

          7. joe says

            You can not buy a supressor anywhere without the proper class 3 stamp period. The background check is done through NICS just as all firearm purchases must be in fact it is even more extensive than the standard background check. And if you think a supressor works anything like it does on TV you have no idea what you are talking about even a supressed weapon will leave the crack of a sonic boom as the bullet passes the speed of sound. Only subsonic ammo can prevent that from happening. It reduces the sound of the weapon on average of only 20 to 30 decibels

          8. joe says

            So what if you can purchase a Barret do you even know what one looks like? its not like you can carry it under your coat. Did you know there is not a single documented case anywhere in this country where a person has been killed by one, so why ban it because it looks scary.

          9. QUASAR says

            He has been duped by all these idiots who automatically think ‘OMG it’s a sniper rifle and think it is only for killing ‘ I call it a BARRETT 50 CALIBER cuz that’s it’s name .I have a friend who has one ‘ UNBELIEVABLE what that baby can do ‘Want one myself one day .

          10. danny kimbrel says

            The background checks go through the State police, and in turn goes through the FBI and the NCIS and who cares if you can buy a Barrett sniper rifle, they are legal and why would that bother you, i am pretty sure that anyone passing a background check would not use the $12,000 dollar gun for illegal activity. unlike all of the criminals, who don’t pay any attention to laws in the first place

          11. QUASAR says

            The BATF[ BUREAU OF ALCOHOL’TABACCO AND FIREARMS. does all background checks not the individual states so no one is exempt’ you can buy a suppressor at a gun shows as they are legal’ a suppressor does not make a gun more lethal it just cuts down on muzzle jump ‘You can purchase a barrett if you are lucky enough to have the cash yes ‘ please stop calling it a sniper rifle ‘I have a friend who has one and it is absolutely ridiculous on the range to shoot ‘ shooting pop cans at 700 yards is one fun afternoon.

          12. mac12sam12 says

            All the states have background checks and you also need an FBI background check. To own a suppressor they really put you through the hoops, you need to get a federal firearms license, the same license that gun shops have.

          13. festmatt5440 says

            You just keep proving to us all ; that you ‘re just another ignorant ‘ f o o l “.

          14. QUASAR says

            That’s what I told him too’ he’s been watching too many will smith shoot em up movies’ Silencers are illegal ‘ he’s confusing it with a suppressor .

          15. festmatt5440 says

            You can always tell ‘ a lefty ‘ ; but you can ‘t tell them much ‘.

          16. QUASAR says

            HAHAHA GOOD ONE .

        4. Bob McMahan says

          Gary, I do not believe that anything you wrote is true. In most of the US, violent crime is rare. It is primarily in cities with draconian gun laws that murder, robbery, and rape prevail.

          1. Gary Dingle says

            You can believe what you want, But reality doesn’t care about our ignorance. I did my research years ago and continue to converse with anyone willing to have rational discussions. I am open minded and liberal. I would never just say I don;t believe. We have almost unlimited access to information. The only real problem is we can also find only info that bolsters our beliefs. You have do objective research so you can’t be fooled by the gun industry whose goal is sale more guns.

          2. joe says

            And you are fooled by the left wing lies that are so far from the truth is is sickening. You simply have no idea what you are taking about it is clear by all the false statements you have made here your research is tainted because you get it all from left wing sites, go get a book called more guns less crime by John Lott he was very antigun until he did real research and learned the facts. If you refuse to read it then you refuse accept reality and the truth

          3. QUASAR says

            That’s a great read ‘ puts anti gunners right in their place with documented facts and not the liberal lies for gun control.

          4. Gary Dingle says

            Yes i have read Lott’s writings. But he stands alone among research carried out by 90 percent of researchers. Lott also had strange ideas about the New Town massacre also. I really don’t know why you don’t just consume material from non-biased sources. Stay away from outliers like Lott. The FBI, ATF and and the CDC all came up with different results. However, I can see where most of the ideas came from about gun ownership and lower crime rates. They came from a Harvard study that was completed 1991. I reread that report and it was basically neutral with respect to crime violent crime and gun ownership. It did contradict Lott”s research results. It is a decent read. I had read that report about 20 years ago.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.law.harvard.edu%2Fstudents%2Forgs%2Fjlpp%2FVol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf&ei=5AeeVe2jM8i0ggTX1L2ACg&usg=AFQjCNGEpT4LHNfY-pcjefcrgGnZLbX1Bg&sig2=vuE8Z2mk4yUBNsrmkrWlyw

            But Harvard has created another report that you should read. The results are shown in the following link., http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/gun-research-harvard-nra

            Thanks for getting me to reread that old Harvard report. You will like it but it does conflate crime, vilolent crime and gun deaths and injuries.

          5. joe says

            WOW!!! Lott got a big part of his data from those sources you claim came up with different results is that not interesting. You clearly NEVER read his book nor do you know anything at all about this subject. You already lied about your source on that phony chart it came from a totaly left wing source known to be liars you have no credibility in here at all. Simply put you are WRONG on everything you say and you are lying about a good portion of it. It is clear you do not care about facts unless they support your paranoid view on guns which is based completley on false information and twisted facts. I see where you get your info from and they are sources that have been proven unreliable to the point of even making things up. Sorry I have done far more research on this and from valid sources. Your fear of guns is based on a lie period, you have no idea what the true facts are you have no idea that the numbers of people saved by guns every year far outnumbers those hurt by many thousands. The facts are the facts making up lies and spreading false information will never change that.

          6. QUASAR says

            Tell me this then ; if you could would you outlaw all guns ‘and if you did that do you think the killing would stop’if you said yes to this last question you are dead wrong ‘If guns were banned entirely to the point where none were left ‘KNIVES ‘BATS ‘HAMMERS and many more everyday tools would take their place ‘if someone has their mind set on committing murder they will find anything to commit it with .Look at the time before gun powder was invented ‘millions were slain with swords in wars ‘are they any less dead cuz they were not killed with a gun.

          7. festmatt5440 says

            Your ignorance ‘ and stupidity ‘, are showing ‘.

        5. mac12sam12 says

          I have 12 handguns, if I sold mine at an inflated price I could make a small fortune, BUT!, those guns have serial numbers that could be traced back to me if they’re used in a crime.
          It’s not a silencer, that’s a Hollywood term, it’s actually called a suppressor or as the Seals call it, a hush puppy. In order to purchase a firearm at a gun show you need to get a state and FBI background check. If you’re a former felon trying to buy a gun, the state police will arrest you on the spot. There’s always state police at gun shows. I’ve been to enough gun shows to know this information.

          1. QUASAR says

            Yeah but the stupid libs listen to nut jobs like obama and kilary so anything that you just said which is plain truth escapes their limited intelligence.

          2. festmatt5440 says

            Speaking ‘ of ‘Gary ‘ …………..

        6. Ernest Boggs Sr. says

          Mr. Dingle, you are so wrong. When the majority of the “good guys” are armed shootings become rare. No one wants to be shot and especially the cowards that carry illegally. If a bad guy thinks you might be armed, he will go look for an easier target, not one that might fight back. Anywhere there is majority of gun violence, there is a majority of “gun control”. Just look around and you will also see that states and cities that have the most gun control has the most violence. Arm all the good guys with Concealed Carry, they become an even better citizen and your gun crimes will drop drastically. It has been proven in Texas that those that have Concealed Carry permits are less likely to commit a crime than all the rest of society in general.

          1. Gary Dingle says

            Texas doesn’t even collects stats on guns. How can you even know except what you are being told by the gun industry? Show me the objective reports and the data analysis. All the university studies and the limited CDC reporting state that more guns increases the gun violence.

          2. Richard Klabechek says

            I agree with your initial assessment about the presentation of facts and changing ones mind. Conservatives are more stuborn in their beliefs than liberals. We might differ on why that is, but we do share that common ground. As to the requirements of gun ownership, I do not believe a preset condition is needed to exercise a constitutional right. As there is no licensing required to vote, freely express our opinions, read what we want, or worship who we choose, there should be no preset condition to owning a firearm other than proving you are a legal citizen of this country. While I do stress a strong viewpoint of personal safety and responsibility, I don’t think it’s the governments right or job to force that on the people. That’s the job of the community in which the citizen lives, provided it’s constitutional. If one proves they are not capable of responsibly owning a firearm, such as commiting a violent felony or grossly misusing a gun, then that right should be suspended until they can prove otherwise. That’s where educating and training our children at an early age about the dangers and responsibilities of owning firearms is so important. Most children are not being taught this anymore and it’s putting our communities in danger. Ultimately, my beliefs may be seen as dangerous or extreem, but that is the burden of freedom.

            I find a very large distinction between government and community. Though a community has a local government, it exists separate from a bigger government entity. Thus, what one town or county considers perfectly fine and legal might be incompatible for the next town or county on the other side of the state. This is how the founders set up the government in this country. The power is diffused to the people. There was suppose to be no overbearing central bureaucracy, like we have today. When it comes to it, if constitutional rights differ from town to town, then a higher power of government, such as the state, must step in to equalize these rights for all its citizens. That’s how the states were originally set up to function, to pass laws not enumerated under the Constitution and protect the rights that are. The states are not suppose to be an oppressive oligarchy deciding which of our constitutionally protected rights we are allowed to exercise without their permission. The same goes for the federal government, but even more so.

            The reason I put the citizenship qualifier in there is it establishes who’s legally in this country and is therefore afforded all the protections and privileges under the Bill of Rights. Even legal immigrants are covered under the Bill of Rights. There we have no argument, but, if one is here illegally, then they have proven themselves to be a criminal and are subject to the laws of this country, thus divesting themselves of certain rights afforded to the citizens as established by law. There is a difference between laws and rights, as you are well aware. Also, we are not taking illegal aliens rights away. They can practice their unalienable rights within the confines of their own country after deportation, then legally emigrate to this country. Weather allconstitutional rights pertain to everybody equally and which ones, even if they are here illegally, is the debate. There has to be a line drawn somewhere or this country will be flooded with illegal immigrants all clamoring for their piece of the welfare pie while claiming equal protections alongside the legal residents of this nation who pay their taxes, but we both know that’s already happening.

          3. Richard Klabechek says

            Individual criminals wreak their carnage on individuals or small numbers of people. As this century has shown, terrorist governments have the capacity to commit genocide against millions of people, provided that the people are unarmed. Schemes to confiscate firearms kept by peaceable citizens have historically been associated with some of the world’s most insidious tyrannies. Given this reality, it is not surprising that law-abiding gun owners oppose being objects of registration.

            In 1941, U.S. Attorney General Robert Jackson called on Congress to enact national registration of all firearms.8 Given events in Europe, Congress recoiled, and legislation was introduced to protect the Second Amendment. Rep. Edwin Arthur Hall explained: “Before the advent of Hitler or Stalin, who took power from the German and Russian people, measures were thrust upon the free legislatures of those countries to deprive the people of the possession and use of firearms, so that they could not resist the encroachments of such diabolical and vitriolic state police organizations as the Gestapo, the Ogpu, and the Cheka.”9

            Rep. John W. Patman added: “The people have a right to keep arms; therefore, if we should have some Executive who attempted to set himself up as dictator or king, the people can organize themselves together and, with the arms and ammunition they have, they can properly protect themselves. . . .”10

            Only two months before the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, Congress enacted legislation to authorize the President to requisition broad categories of property with military uses from the private sector on payment of fair compensation, but also provided:

            Nothing contained in this Act shall be construed–

            (1) to authorize the requisitioning or require the registration of any firearms possessed by any individual for his personal protection or sport (and the possession of which is not prohibited or the registration of which is not required by existing law), [or]

            (2) to impair or infringe in any manner the right of any individual to keep and bear arms . . . .11

            it is not difficult to understand why the National Rifle Association opposed gun registration at the time and still does. The American Riflemen for February 1942 reported:

            From Berlin on January 6th the German official radio broadcast–“The German military commander for Belgium and Northern France announced yesterday that the population would be given a last opportunity to surrender firearms without penalty up to January 20th and after that date anyone found in possession of arms would be executed.”

            So the Nazi invaders set a deadline similar to that announced months ago in Czecho-Slovakia, in Poland, in Norway, in Romania, in Yugo-Slavia, in Greece.

            How often have we read the familiar dispatches “Gestapo agents accompanied by Nazi troopers swooped down on shops and homes and confiscated all privately-owned firearms!”

            What an aid and comfort to the invaders and to their Fifth Column cohorts have been the convenient registration lists of privately owned firearms–lists readily available for the copying or stealing at the Town Hall in most European cities.

            What a constant worry and danger to the Hun and his Quislings have been the privately owned firearms in the homes of those few citizens who have “neglected” to register their guns!16

            During the war years the Rifleman regularly included pleas for American sportsmen to “send a gun to defend a British home.17British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their homes.” Indeed, the New York Times carried the same solicitations. After two decades of gun control, British citizens now desperately needed rifles and pistols in their homes, and they received the gifts with great appreciation. Organized into the Home Guard, armed citizens were now ready to resist the expected Nazi onslaught.

            With so many men and guns sent abroad to fight the war, America still needed defending from expected invasions on the East and West coasts, domestic sabotage, and Fifth Column activity. Sportsmen and gun clubs responded by bringing their private arms and volunteering for the state protective forces.18

            Switzerland was the only country in Europe, indeed in the world, where every man had a military rifle in his home. Nazi invasion plans acknowledged the dissuasive nature of this armed populace, as I have detailed in my book Target Switzerland: Swiss Armed Neutrality in World War II (Rockville Center, N.Y.: Sarpedon Publishers, 1998).

          4. Richard Klabechek says

            A bit long, but a thorough discussion about the effects of gun control

            http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

          5. Richard Klabechek says

            Two Businesses in Ferguson Riots Escaped Looting.Why They Did Should Be a Lesson for Politicians

            by Top Right News on August 13, 2014 in Crime, Guns

            by Gina Cassini | Top Right News

            Over the past two nights, dozens of businesses along West Florissant in Ferguson, Missouri were ransacked by rioters, including Target, Dollar General and WalMart, and looted and a QuikTrip was burned down.

            Here’s what’s left of the QT:

            And here’s what WalMart employees went through:

            Hundreds of business owners and employees had to cut and run or hide in terror as waves of rioters arrived.

            But not everyone was cowering in fear. At two businesses the owners (and some employees and friends) were standing firm, right outside, ready to take on all comers. Why? Because they were armed to the teeth.
            At Riverfront Tattoo, owners Mike Gutierrez ( below left) and Adam Weinstein (third from left) brought AR-15s, body armor and lots of high-capacity magazines (the type Obama wants banned) to guard their store against mayhem:

            And rioters passed them right by.
            And over at Mally’s Supermarket, had men with concealed 9mm handguns and revolvers, lined up and ready to defend, right on West Florissant:

            And the lesson for politicians, and all Americans (particularly liberal gun-grabbers) isthat being armed — and armed to the teeth — is the ONLY defense against a rioting mob. There were police everywhere in Ferguson Sunday night, and not one of those stores were protected against looters. But the two businesses above WERE spared — because they were able to arm themselves.
            The lesson should have been learned for good after the 1992 L.A. Riots, when only shop owners in Koreatown were spared because they defended their stores with force of arms:

            The right to bear arms must be sacrosanct, but so must be access to unlimited magazine capacity. As Tyler Kee of The Truth About Guns reminds us:
            At any point in a discussion with a gun control advocate about the need for magazine capacity restrictions, feature tests, or any other arbitrary restriction, flash the pictures of these riots. Show them what happens when mob mentality takes over. The people in these examples worked hard for the life they have. To deny them the best tools possible to protect it is criminal.

            There are people who make it happen
            There are people who watch it happen
            and there are people who wonder what happened

          6. QUASAR says

            Exactly ‘ the gun owners of this country will make it happen if they ever try to take them from us .

          7. festmatt5440 says

            ‘ Amen ‘

          8. Richard Klabechek says

            I’m sorry if my comments are not politically correct. I believe in everything you said in the video except for the God/ religion part. I don’t mean to start a flame war; IMHO that’s not germane to the law-abiding gun carrying citizen argument.

            I don’t believe in the Pagan gods, the Greek gods, the Mayan gods, the Roman gods, the Norse gods or the Egyptian gods. Once you realize you’ve given those up, it’s easier to free yourself from the other so-called “modern Gods.” I personally believe in science – because magic has never been the answer.

            I will, however, defend your right to believe in whatever deity you wish – as long as it isn’t thrown in my face in the public square.

            https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/god-guns-family-freedom/?email=AR8_pros_e02&utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=AR8_2.html%20(8)&utm_content=&spMailingID=8838789&spUserID=MTM0MDY0NTA4MzA4S0&spJobID=362353053&spReportId=MzYyMzUzMDUyS0

          9. Richard Klabechek says

            So, less than one-half of a percent of the people in the U.S. perpetrate violent crimes. Certainly, many of those don’t involve a firearm. But even if they did, it still means that less than one-half of a percent of the population is using a gun to commit a violent crime. And yet, we are being asked to agree to more limitations on legal gun ownership – a constitutional right – because less than half a percent of Americans abuse that right.

            Let me just summarize this for you. Gun control advocates argue that we should limit one of our rights because less than half the population exercises it, in order to stop the half a percent of the population who might be abusing it. Well, if they call that reasonable, I’m proud to be considered an unflinching, unreasonable gun rights advocate.

            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/23/billy-johnson-declining-household-gun-ownership-myth/#ixzz3fK03wCgI

          10. QUASAR says

            Same here.

          11. Richard Klabechek says

            (PAUL JOSEPH WATSON) — Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble told ABC News that one of the only ways to prevent terrorists from hitting soft targets was to arm citizens globally, noting that the Westgate mall siege would have been averted far quicker if it had taken place in gun-friendly areas like Denver or Texas.

            Noble’s statements are a powerful rebuttal to the anti-gun lobby, especially given his background. The Interpol chief was formerly the head of all law enforcement for the U.S. Treasury Department.

            Stressing that an “armed citizenry” was the only option besides turning soft targets like shopping malls into enclaves surrounded by “extraordinary security” perimeters, Noble suggested that the siege in Kenya, which dragged on for days and ended in the slaughter of 60 civilians, represented a huge public relations blow for gun control advocates.

            http://www.conservativeinfidel.com/powerful-pr-blow-gun-control-lobby-interpol-chief-arm-citizens-globally-prevent-terror-attacks/

          12. QUASAR says

            Exactly ‘ that’s the reason why japan never invaded after pearl harbor ‘ ADMIRAL YAMAMOTO told THE EMPEROR you can not invade the american mainland ‘there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.Love that quote.

          13. Richard Klabechek says

            The CDC’s findings – that guns are an effective and often used crime deterrent and that most firearm incidents are not fatal – could affect the future of gun violence research.. – See more at:

            http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent

          14. Richard Klabechek says

            http://ddq74coujkv1i.cloudfront.net/p1_gunsurveysummary_2013.pdf

            PoliceOne’s Gun Policy & Law Enforcement survey was conducted between March 4 and March 13, 2013. More than 15,000 officers completed the survey, which was promoted by PoliceOne exclusively to its 400,000 registered members, comprised of verified law enforcement professionals. Only current, former or retired law enforcement personnel were eligible to participate in the survey. The survey sample size was broadly distribut- ed by geography and rank in proportion to the U.S. law enforcement community at large. Respondents comprised a variety of ranks from departments of all sizes, with the majority representing departments of greater than 500 officers. Of those that took the survey, 80 percent were current law enforcement officers and 20 percent were former/retired law enforcement.

          15. Richard Klabechek says

            Never mind just the NRA! (and they ARE a membership organization, *not* a gun industry association) For every NRA member, there are dozens upon dozens of non-affiliated gun owners who are totally outraged at the leftists for their harassment of peaceful gun owners. We gun owners, conservative and moderate, are TOTALLY fed-up for being blamed for the crimes of gang-bangers and the misdeeds of the mentally ill. The sociopolitical rift in this country was already high, even without the gun issue. But certain gun-phobic Democrats have blithely risked renting the nation even further apart in an attempt to pass a bunch of mush-headed, feel-good, but do-nothing gun laws. It is that sort of numbskull legislative activity that is indeed what is “evil.”

          16. Richard Klabechek says

            well said and something for us all to think about

            From:James Pierowich:

            I just want all my friends to understand one thing here…. it’s not that I love guns or the gun culture in America today. I do not! I love my freedom and this GREAT country I was born in! The Rights I’ve been given both by GOD HIMSELF, as well as those RIGHTS afforded U.S. all by the Constitution of the United States of America. ALL OF THOSE RIGHTS!!! And from time to time recently, they seem to be up for debate and change! They are not up for debate, as you’d all think by all that is happening here, they are being HIJACKED! Hijacked by individuals who believe for some reason we’d be safer from criminals and the mentally insane if those rights are amended, and guns banned or restricted! And that our countries issues regarding the INCREDIBLE DEFICIT AND SPENDING PROBLEM AND HORRIBLY STALLED ECONOMY IS LESS IMPORTANT!!!! Dragging the victim’s families of the children from Sandy Hook to be crying backdrops, to sway popular opinions, is disgusting, but Obama seems to think it’s necessary to help us feel it’s the right thing to do! That’s exactly why the POTUS is doing just that! The effects of these so called good measures will not stop criminals from obtaining weapons, but it will stop, or tax, or hinder the law abiding citizen from doing so! It will INFRINGE on a citizen’s RIGHT to protect himself. And, whether it’s one bullet, ten bullets or 100 bullets is IRRELEVANT!! It’s ALL about our freedom and our rights. Background checks, databases, data-mining, our personal HEALTH RECORDS, ETAL! Are not for government consumption or restriction! That’s why it’s called PRIVACY!!!!!!!! Criminals will not line up and register their ILLEGAL FIREARMS! But, they can and DO, buy them QUICKLY, for cash, OR STEAL THEM, and spend no waiting period for background checks, every single day!!! And what they will do, is continue to prey upon the weak, the women, the children, the UNARMED neighbor, YOU, ME, the public as a whole, as they have been since the beginning of CRIME! Pay close attention to the coming themes of the debates in our government here my beloved friends! They do NOT have our best interests at heart. Many of you do not like, want, or will ever own a gun. That’s absolutely your choice and RIGHT and fine with all the other law-abiding citizen’s who do own guns! Most of you don’t own a newspaper either, but you enjoy YOUR RIGHT OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH! But the agenda here, is to vilify those who do own guns! We own guns to protect our businesses, our families, our children, our homes and property, ourselves, to hunt, and ALSO to ensure our government does not OVERSTEP THE POWER WE ENTRUST TO THEM !!! Because you see…they really DO work for us you know, but THEY seem to have forgotten that TODAY!!!! So, it is a very complicated issue that dates back quite sometime. But it was thought out completely way back then! At a time, when men had an AMERICAN AGENDA at heart, an agenda to ensure LIBERTY FOR ALL, it was discussed at length and it WAS WRITTEN to serve U.S. ALL! It means the same now as it did then. And if it were to be changed, THEY THOUGHT OF THAT TOO!!! A process was put in place to ensure that! The main method is for a bill to pass both houses of the legislature, by a two-thirds majority in each. Once the bill has passed both houses, it goes on to the states. The states must vote 3/4 in favor of the bill for change!!! Not a whimsical WISH LIST of a few politicians! So my friends, while the only gun nuts I KNOW, besides the one’s forwarding this agenda in Washington are the ones who assault, rob, murder and rape, be sure YOU KNOW WHO the REAL ENEMY IS in all this chatter about GUNS. Be well and I pray for US ALL!

          17. Richard Klabechek says

            Is that enough for you Dingle Berry?

          18. joe says

            No that is a lie period it is not reality no matter how many times you say it.

          19. danny kimbrel says

            And we all know that their data is skewed to point to the liberal viewpoints, which is shoddy data in the first place. if more guns meant more gun violence, this country would have been desolate in the 1920s and 1930s but here we are . so liberal “truth” is acknowledged as what it really is , a lie and the truth is in the FBI data, the highest crime rates occur in liberal cities. with all of the gun free shooting galleries that just keep becoming targets for the disturbed liberal shooters !!

          20. festmatt5440 says

            An ‘ i d i o t ‘ , wrapped in a ‘ moron ‘.

          21. Gary Dingle says

            What happens when good guys becomes the bad guy with a gun? Did’t the shoot out occur in Texas between armed motorcycle gangs and the cops; 9 killed and multiple injuries.

            See the following which I didn’t check . It came from a conservative news publication. http://www.vpc.org/fadeathchart14.htm.

          22. joe says

            Again you have not done your research that chart has been proven to be misleading it includes suicides accidental deaths and police shootings and that DID NOT come from a conservative website or publication that is a damn lie that group is a well known bunch of liars that twist facts. If this is your idea of research no wonder you are clueless when it comes to this stuff for christ sakes did you even go visit the VPC webpage? no you did not wow thats sad it shows a real lack of interest to get to the truth. Time and time again these people have been caught lying and twisting facts, they are not neutral on gun issues they will lie cheat and steal to get a point across that in the end is ALWAYS FALSE.

          23. danny kimbrel says

            Armed motorcycle GANGS you said it and doesn’t it sound like cities GANGS pay closer attention to who is doing it and not just looking for the word gun in the stories, but i am wasting my breath, liberal tells me everything i need to know, the refusal to see things as it really is and see the la la land make believe world you want to live in.

          24. QUASAR says

            Gary is not worth the time trying to get him to pull his head out of his ass ‘ typical liberal .

          25. QUASAR says

            Those scumbag bikers were not the good guys you idiot ‘ God do a little research first before you open your yap’ they were all a bunch of outlaw AKA one percenters who went to that restaurant parking lot to settle a score .BOO HOO ‘SO 9 SCUMBAGS LOW LIFE BIKERS DIED ‘cops did the world a favor there IMHO.

          26. festmatt5440 says

            . ( The only real problem is , we can also find only info that bolsters our beliefs ” )

          27. QUASAR says

            Yup ‘I can’t remember where there ever was someone who carried concealed ever committed a robbery or anything with a gun.Just shows that ccp holders are good honest law abiding folks .

        7. joe says

          You are so misinformed and uneducated when it comes to this, very typical for the antigun nutjobs to not understand the laws and not have a clue about what they are talking about. First off it is a supressor there is no such thing as a silencer they only exist on TV, it does not make the gun silent you watch way too much TV it is NOT LEGAL AT ANY GUNSHOW you need special permits which include detailed background checks. Arming people DOES NOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF NON GANG RELATED GUN VIOLENCE that is a flat out lie the facts prove just the opposite LOOK IT UP before you just spew the usual left wing lies. Accidental gun deaths DO NOT INCREASE another lie. I sure hope you are just spewing what you are told and not intentinally lying in here. “Why would a robber take a chance in a confrontation that could cost him his life” WOW YOU GET IT, exactly why ALL law abidding citizens should carry a weapon. The simple facts are in states where more people are armed the crime rates are far less and sorry those are FACTS all the lies you post here can not change that. If you would bother to take the time to look up even one single FACT before you come repeat the lies told to you by the leftwing morons you might understand the reality of the situation

        8. ipsd48 says

          Well, let’s not forget Holders part in that ……………as when he ran a gun-running operation into Milwaukee…………….AFTER Fast & Furious became public

        9. QUASAR says

          You are very ill informed ‘ you CAN NOT buy a silencer at gun shows ‘ I don’t know where you got that from but they are illegal ‘ I think you are confusing a SUPPRESSOR with a silencer ‘ they are totally different things.A suppressor cuts down on muzzle jump making the gun more manageable and more accurate to shoot ‘a silencer quiets the report so as not to be heard from a distance.Your logic is so backward ‘ so because most criminals only want money just give them your wallet huh’ oh yeah that’s gonna work ‘all that does is increase the number of thugs out there if everyone took your advice and just handed over money .The only way to stop crime is by not giving in to it ‘ if a person is armed they have a much better chance of coming out of it alive rather than if they just cower to the thugs .And forget the police ‘ by the time they arrive the thug is long gone and they are just there to act like they give a shit .

        10. festmatt5440 says

          Quit proving your ignorance ‘ and stupidity ‘ .

    2. disqus_PeRYgPx0Bk says

      An armed society is a polite society!

      1. supergun says

        Safest place to be in American is around law abiding American Citizens that carry loaded and cocked.

        1. guest says

          We had a quiet weekend in Detroit because so many good citizens are armed. Sure there were a few shootings but Chicago is a war zone compared to us.

          1. brucethompson22 says

            Hows the police response time there, I heard it was up to 45 mins. if at all.Be Safe

          2. supergun says

            Don’t depend on the police. They have their hands full. It is not the odds, it is what is at stake.

          3. carroll wood says

            not full, tied

          4. supergun says

            You make a good point. Like in baltimore where the mayor ordered the police not to fight back against her thugs. Can you believe she would put the police’s lives in jeopardy like that. She should have been thrown out of her office that very night. Now they fire the police chief. He must have stood his ground and was protecting his men. So they got rid of him. baltimore use to be a beautiful place, now it is zombie land.

          5. guest says

            No there have been calls were they are there in under 5 minutes. The old Chief was slow the new Chief has tried to fix that. You still need to have a weapon because if they are rushing you in you home or yard the police can’t be there fast enough.

          6. joe haire says

            Average response time nationwide is about 23 minutes. My Berretta 40 cal. travels @ about 1200 feet per second!!!

          7. supergun says

            Pretty dam fast. Love the 40. Most police have more important things to do instead of responding to the usual a$$ hole arguments between stupid morons. So their time is wasted caught up in these stupid family fights.

          8. Henry Servatt says

            Right, Guest. When seconds count, the police are just minutes away. Right?

          9. QUASAR says

            When you have people like Micheal bloomberg and mario homo walking around with armed security but will not allow the average citizen to protect themself there is something drastically wrong .Only when citizens are allowed to carry will the crime rate in chicago drop ‘these assholes don’t get the fact that when the public is armed the thugs are gonna be a lot more careful who they try and rob’ rape or assault but the criminals in office won’t tell you that.

          10. guest says

            I agree 100% the new police chief along with a new mayor has the turn around started in Detroit. The Chief is very pro concealed carry and wants good citizen to defend themselves and report crimes.

          11. QUASAR says

            Good ‘watch that cities crime rate drop as the number of ccp holders increase.

          12. supergun says

            In kalifornia, they want to make it a law that you have to keep your guns locked up in your own home. But the police want them to make it an exception that they don’t have to lock up their guns. I wonder why. I believe there is some mighty stupid politicians in kali.

          13. Jimmy Quick says

            Got to be something in the water out there.

          14. danny kimbrel says

            There is something in the water up there, it’s called sewage, they have their water intake out in the lake but they are pumping their waste out at the shore and it all goes towards the inlet

          15. Jimmy Quick says

            Yep. I’ve hear some messed up stuff about public water sources. I was drinking the water in my old home town but I felt sick all the time. When I moved the symptoms went away. Later on I learned that Gaithersburg, MD has poop in the water. Now, people tell me there are so many broken underground pipes that the water is always dirty and the WSSC (water authority) refuses to do anything about it.

          16. grama18 says

            I will not live in a city. Any city . I will move if the city catches up to me.

          17. Dawn says

            That is why my brother refuse to drink bottle water, from the poop…

          18. supergun says

            There are a lot of good people in California that have good family values. Then you have the zombie walking dead people that sour and rot everything that is good out there.

          19. dockilldare says

            ok wait a second, the walking dead is a great show don’t be insulting it by labeling california liberals as walking dead. after all we all know the walking dead are far smarter than liberals.

          20. supergun says

            U Right. My apologies. Where would we be without the Walking Dead, filmed just 80 miles north of me.

          21. dockilldare says

            i have to admit that the dead is one of only a few things i actuallly watch on the idiot box…

          22. ARO says

            I started watching Mad Men, then Breaking Bad got my attention. Pretty cool show. Then Walking Dead became the show. Pretty good zombie series.

          23. Jeanne Stotler says

            Maybe that’s the problem, NOT enough water, remember it’s rationed and if you use too much you get fined, why don’t they let the water come down from the mountains instead of blocking it, Oh Yes California is really messed up.

          24. Dawn says

            Big time…They even want the Californians to remove their swimming pools, so that it would easier have water…

          25. jeepscout68 says

            Yes, it is the protected delta smelt. A little stinking fish about three inches long that has no value what-so-ever, so Olamea makes Kalifornica dump its water and the fish into the ocean instead of irrigating much needed crops. Again the Demorats are behind this.

          26. Jimmy Quick says

            Glad I don’t live there.

          27. Dawn says

            Or something in the air or maybe the Scent of Obama…

          28. l.bell says

            Elections here in comyfornia are rigged by the Democratic crime syndicate. There it is there .

          29. QUASAR says

            well that’s nancy pelosis stomping grounds so that should give you a idea of how stupid they are .

          30. phyllisjmurphy says

            Politicians like Pitiful Pelosi have high fences, guards armed and paid for by taxpayers where ever the disgusting old freak goes and no doubt her own plane provided by taxpayers to make life easy for this kook is always armed with oodles of booze to anoint her brain! Time for Military to march in to Washington DC, Impeach and kick Obama and his thugs to Guantanamo Bay the kick out the self serving Congress sitting on their wrinkled rears a life time and wrinkled brains non productive in every sense of the word…Toss out all the bills and start over with American citizens take charge of the government without party affiliation..Today in America at least 50% of American citizens and honest voters are Independent voters voting for the least damaging candidate this day and age..Called holding your nose and voting! Americans are tired of being played for damn fools, and the illegal swarms are gagging American citizens especially with the latest illegal swine who flowed back and forth across Southern borders and those stupid swine states that would ever dare protect any illegal should be arrested and jailed!

          31. QUASAR says

            Like the way you think.

          32. donemyhomework says

            You have no idea how much I agree with that. I still don’t understand how those people get elected.

          33. QUASAR says

            Brain dead liberals keep putting them in ‘most can’t even think for themselves .

          34. RMCSRET says

            This is just another way to disarm Law Abiding citizens.

          35. carroll wood says

            that is so the wetbacks can kill unarmed citizens worry free

          36. supergun says

            We all are humans. Some are good. Some are bad. In all colors.

          37. donemyhomework says

            The worst.

          38. Mark Lahti says

            I think to many people here are missing the point of the article. Most of the comments here are directed towards the average citizen and the legal carrying of a weapon. The crime statistics being quoted here and the problem that is being addressed has to do with the thugs and criminals who shooting each other up. The vast majority of deaths due to gun fire in Chicago are young black males in gangs shooting up their own neighborhoods or the nearby neighborhoods where their rivals are located. A lot of these deaths are innocent bystanders that is true. However, the intent is to shoot up other thugs and criminals. One set of statistics I saw recently stated that the US is at the top of the list of countries with the highest homicide rates. Rates….not totals. When they took the deaths of four of the largest violent cities in the US out of the totals then the US dropped way down to below the middle of the pack. It is our inner city neighborhoods and the urban youth that create the enormous numbers of gun deaths in our country. The problem has to do with the break down of the black family in our cities. There are very people that are willing to tell that truth and to try to get enough people to acknowledge that truth. When people face up to the real problem and try to deal with the real issue then we will begin to reduce all this unnecessary killing. The majority if not all of these cities with the worst violence are and have been for a long time totally democrat controlled cities. I am talking about democrat mayors, chiefs of police, DA’s, city councils, etc. Decades of failed democrat control and democrat ideology have made these cesspools what they are today. Start with that premise and take the necessary actions to reverse that trend and things will start to improve. Simple reducing gun laws or making it easier for people to have guns is not the answer. However, on the other side, more gun laws and more control will not accomplish anything either. It is a societal issue and it needs to be dealt with in manner that will produce results. Stop the democrat bleeding heart welfare systems of generational dependence and you will move in the right directions.

          39. carroll wood says

            amen. they are a disgrace to the finest black American men and women that ever wore a uniform that I was proud to serve with for over two decades

          40. Handy Jay says

            The primary argument used by Obama, Hillary, and other gun control zealots is that the gun homicide rate in America is far higher that most other first world nations making us nothing short of barbarians. What Obama or the gun control zealots fail to say (or possibly even understand) is that there are actually two gun homicide rates in this country.

            If you look at the gun homicide rate in the inner city where almost every gun used is obtained via methods that do not include their lawful purchase, those homicide rates are enormous – estimated to be 200+/100,000. Europe’s gun homicide rate is typically 0.5 – 1/100,000 for comparison purposes. If, however, you look at the gun homicide rate for lawful gun owners such as those who are issued concealed carry permits, you will discover the gun homicide rate for this cohort to be around 0.1/100,000 or less. In fact, it is common knowledge that lawful gun owners have crime rates about 10-15% that of police officers. The police understand all of this so well that a recent survey at Policeone.com (when I put links in they do not seem to work so you’ll have to do a bit of leg work to find the survey), the overwhelming majority of the 16,000 law enforcement officers felt that more people should be allowed to own guns (not less), and that fewer gun laws and restrictions should be in place for gun ownership, not more.

            None of this matters for the gun control zealot for they believe that by creating more laws restricting legal gun ownership that penalize those with a gun homicide rate of 0.1/100,000 is the cure to fix the overall high rate in America. Not only do they see no reason for attempting to do more to stop the violence among those with a gun homicide rate of 200+/100,000, they feel that by reducing sentencing terms for criminals, turning various felonies into misdemeanors, increasing the number of early releases from prisons, and their refusal to deport those illegal aliens who are known felons (and who have even committed more crimes in America besides illegal entry) will do more for law and order than anything else. Really?

            The above data should make the logical and common sense approach obvious, but the gun control zealots (who primarily seem to be left-wing liberals &/or reside only in the Democrat party) cannot or will not see this. This blindness can only be explained in one of two ways. Either the gun control zealots are too entranced by their own propaganda such that they are incapable of seeing reality or they have an alternate agenda. Being that what is occurring is so obvious that even the most jaded, dedicated and blinded liberal cannot deny it, the only answer left is that there is is a hidden agenda as to why the left wants the gun owners who are responsible and capable to be left without their guns. To me the answer is obvious, but I will let you draw your own conclusions.

          41. phyllisjmurphy says

            Politicos are big time oxymorons!

          42. Procius says

            And regular morons too !!!

          43. gonzales27 says

            That’s the liberal way ban for everyone but me

          44. Jeanne Stotler says

            In areas where gun control is high there is also a high instances of homicides and other crimes committed with guns, those guns are stolen for the most part. DC has gun laws yet almost everyday there is a homicide or more.

          45. Dawn says

            It’s the Gangs that are causing the problems…Not just the shootings, but, rape, robbery, assaults and beating little children and babies…

          46. guest says

            That’s whats wrong with Chicago they won’t let the innocent citizens defend themselves from the gang bangers.

          47. Dawn says

            I agree with you 100%…

          48. Michael Dennewitz says

            And the thing that these dumbass liberals fail to recognize and admit is the fact that ALL those shootings were the result of ILLEGAL guns!! Wake up dumbasses!!

          49. guest says

            Yep not one of my arsenal of legal guns has been involved in a crime.

        2. brucethompson22 says

          That’s not true, It’s COCKED & LOCKED that’s better

          1. supergun says

            I always get that part wrong. Please excuse me for my error. That of course is only on a true 1911. Is that correct?

        3. tinkerunique says

          Get a “double-action” and you will NOT need to carry a cocked gun. THAT is unsafe.

          1. supergun says

            I have a 1911. It becomes a DA after I shoot the SA the first time. Even though I keep a bullet in the chamber, I am not brave enough to carry a cocked 1911. They say that it is quite safe, actually one of the safer ways to carry. I just prefer to have a bullet in the chamber and keep it on safety. Although my XDs 45 does not have a outside safety to mess with, it does have the safety in the trigger and a 1911 safety behind the grips similar to a 1911. Of course this is a double action ready to fire in an instant. Love that double safety so much, I just stick that baby down my blue jeans and mosey on down the highway.

          2. tinkerunique says

            Understood. I prefer a DA. I used to work as a Security Officer in a bank, also (at the time in the Navy Reserve Seabees) and used my own 9mm as a sidearm. IN a “hostile situation”, it is best to have a DA (pull & shoot), NO time to rack a round, and DO NOT walk around a bank with a cocked weapon. Combat training and experience dictates “quick-draw” attitude IF needed.

          3. supergun says

            Like I said, I don’t like walking around anywhere with a cocked weapon. Even though there are 3 different ways of carrying a pistol with bullets in it, I carry an uncocked pistol. About the only time I would carry a cocked pistol is in a combat zone or through chicago on a muggy Sat. night if it was life or death to be there. I do carry in a bank, which is legal in Georgia. I just don’t show and tell.

        4. LieutenantCharlie says

          I have been carrying the same Colt 1911, cocked and locked, for fifty-nine years.
          I carried it in the Military, during the 1960’s, …..then when I became a Police Officer I carried it, and now that I am a private citizen, I still carry it.
          Sigmund Freud said, “A Fear of Weapons is a Sign of Retarded Sexual and Emotional Maturity.
          And yes, you are 100% correct.
          One of my Liberal Friends, went to our local mall, to buy some clothing. I told him to get a concealed carry permit, and carry a Firearm. He said, “No Way.” So I went with him to the mall, where we got separated. And when I heard the sirens, I knew, that my Friend, with his Diamond Rings, and Fancy clothes, but no gun, was shot by an Urban Criminal Thug, in an Armed Robbery. And he died from his wounds later that evening.
          And this what Police Officers see daily. Which is why they carry guns, and use them on Urban Criminal Thugs.

          1. supergun says

            I don’t understand the reasoning of these poor idiots that don’t believe in exercising their 2nd. It is not the odds of being shot, it’s what is at stake.
            Sad story. A policeman would never go out in the world without his GUN. What makes the poor idiots think they are protected and don’t need a gun. Similar story happened in my city. Only after eating their steaks and drinking their margaritas, they assaulted the other patrons in the restaurant, robbed, and raped a couple of college student in the restrooms. Eventually that restaurant was razed to the ground. Oh yeah, they were caught, but the lifetime damage was already done.

          2. carroll wood says

            thanks for your service, MSgt wood ret

        5. John Doe says

          That’s why I proudly wear a teeshirt with the slogan on it “Ipac” with a image of a 1911 Colt on it.

        6. donemyhomework says

          Safety first. Safety on.

          1. supergun says

            Who cut your hair? Cheech ~ Chong

          2. donemyhomework says

            Ha!!!, I just had to say it…have fun.

          3. supergun says

            Both of us have dry senses of humor. You live longer that way.

        7. Patrick says

          Safeties ON? Please?
          Rule #1 The firearm is ALWAYS loaded!
          #2 Point the firearm ONLY at an intended target!
          #3 In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king, so it is with firearms.
          Go forth fully armed, properly trained, and remain alert.

          1. supergun says

            Good advice. I treat three things with great respect. 1) electricity 2) rattlesnakes 3) guns oh,,,,,,, I forgot one. ~Women~

        8. Laurence Almand says

          True enough. When is the last time you read about a mass shooting at a gun show?

          1. supergun says

            Death Wish~

      2. BobInBpt says

        That may be true to a point. But I guess you could call Chicago an “armed society”, despite their laws, yet the Bro’s don’t seem to be deterred by that either! They know that other bro’s have guns yet they shoot at them anyway !!!

        1. Combatvet52 says

          Because they are a STUPID bunch listening to guys like Dirty Al Sharpton.

          1. loran says

            And let’s not forget Mr. Rahm and Dick the Durbin.

          2. sox83cubs84 says

            As well as the two race-baiting publicity hounds, Jess Jackson and Michael Pfleger.

          3. Combatvet52 says

            Absolutely my friend.

          4. roger says

            hes a DISGRACE to the state of illinois!!!!!

        2. Bob McMahan says

          Bob, if memory serves, honest citizens in Chicago were not permitted — until recently — to carry. So, all the folks shooting up the place were doing so illegaly. Honest folks, by definition, do not do this sort of mayhem. But, where they are permitted to defend themselves, violent crime is fairly rare.

          1. SNuss says

            FYI, the Chicago police superintendent stated that CCF permit owners would be shot by the police. http://bearingarms.com/chicago-top-cop-warns-that-his-officers-will-shoot-concealed-carriers/

          2. festmatt5440 says

            They ‘ are still , not ‘ permitted , yes the , ” Communist ” state , now allows ‘ RTC ‘ ; but not Chicago ‘.

        3. ArizonaMilitiaDotCom says

          When the only private Citizens who are routinely carrying firearms are the criminal predators, then the Criminal Predators are the ones who will always be in charge.

          “An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.” – John Steinbeck

          That maxim does not mean that we should strive to disarm everyone in our society. That kind of “reasoning” is the province of the Warped Whackadoodles of the Libtard Left.

          Instead, we should be striving for more good Citizens to be armed. If every Citizen in Chicago were armed, the number of shootings would at first rise precipitously, then drop off dramatically. That drop would be even more startling if the armed Citizenry were practicing good marksmanship.

          Why else do you suppose that there were only a few shootings here and there across the entire state of Arizona for the entire 4th of July weekend, yet there were 60 shootings on a single day in the festering stinkhole of Chicago?

          Open Carry has been the law here in Arizona since before statehood in 1912. Concealed Carry has not required a permit since 2010. Purchasing firearms is a thousand times easier in Arizona than in Chicago. Since we have more privately owned firearms per capita in Arizona, we have fewer incidents of criminal shootings. The criminals already know that the average Arizonan is armed, so they are not nearly so cavalier about walking up and shooting someone as they seem to be in Chicago. The reason for that is the the criminals in Chicago have no fear of their law-abiding victims being armed.

          It is way past time to acknowledge Reality: there will always be criminal predators with firearms. There is no way around that, so talking like that can somehow be changed is like talking like you can pass a law to somehow get the wind to stop blowing. It ain’t gonna happen.

          The quote “An armed society is a polite society” is attributed to Robert A. Heinlein. The rest of his quote goes like this: “Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”

          Machiavelli is sometimes incorrectly given credit for that quote. What Machiavelli actually *did* say is just as true, though:

          “Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised.” – Machiavelli, Niccolò. The Prince. 1513.

          Perhaps that is why I despise the Whackadoodle Libtards so very, very much. They are such craven cowards that they refuse to acknowledge Reality and arm themselves.

          Buy More Λmmo. Doing so is *still* the only viable treatment for ODDD (Obamunist Douchebag Distrust Disorder). Doing so is also the only remaining path to Liberty. Support your local Militia and/or your local Oath Keepers. This won’t end pretty, Λmerica.

          1. maxx says

            I agree with you about gun ownership. Switzerland has a law that all competent individuals must be armed. In Switzerland, the police registered a total of 527,897 criminal offenses in 2010, including 53 killings and 187 attempted murders. There were 481 cases of rape and 62 attempted rapes. Chicago has more shooting deaths in a month than Switzerland in an entire year. Of course the ethnic makeup of Chicago is a lot different, but that is no excuse. Chicago is full of animals.

          2. brucethompson22 says

            You’re right,no one in their right mind would try to break into a house where all the inhabitants are armed and know how to shoot. If you notice about 98% of all shootings happen in a “NO GUN ZONE” funny how that works and, the politicians that don’t want you to have a gun all carry or have armed guards paid for by your taxes or both. Best example is Dianne Feinstein of Calf.

          3. QUASAR says

            Yup ‘that old bitch can carry but the rest of us she wants to disarm ‘ perfect example of a liberal hipocrite just like fat ass micheal moore .At least the old cow will be retiring soon so she can go to her grave knowing she was a colossal failure on disarming america.

          4. tinkerunique says

            AND, I hear< that she HAS a carry permit. ????

          5. brucethompson22 says

            Yes she does but, if you live there in Calif. you try and get one, I hear it’s next to impossible. I don’t know how hard it is there just to buy a gun.

          6. QUASAR says

            That’s where all the VERMIN go cuz they know they will have a field day without a armed public to stop them’they laugh at the police force .

          7. MadAsHeck2015 says

            “This won’t end pretty, America.”

            Sadly, you are correct.

          8. Mark Lahti says

            Still not dealing with the real problem here. The vast majority of deaths in Chicago are not average citizens being shot down by criminals. But by criminals and thugs shooting other criminals and thugs along with the occasional innocent bystander. This is not to say that all of your posts about guns and legal gun owners is out of line. Just that it is not the point of the article and not the bulk of the problem.

          9. ArizonaMilitiaDotCom says

            I disagree. The fact that law-abiding Citizens are prohibited from carrying the means to their own self-defense also means that they are prohibited from effectively defending themselves and others. If those “innocent bystanders” had instead been effectively armed, and were predisposed to do what was needed, they would have made the thugs on both sides pay the price for being so inconsiderate as to have their shootouts around the rest of us.

            The fault lies with an Electorate that keeps electing idiots to office. Those idiots are perpetuating a culture of disarmament and victimhood, which is apparently what the Electorate wants. But there is nothing admirable or noble about being a Victim. In Arizona, we choose instead to be the Victor.

            What we have experienced in Arizona is that, yes, there will still be criminal-on-criminal crime, as well as criminal-on-citizen crime, but the number of criminals keeps declining steadily as they get killed off by other each other, by the cops, and by the Citizens. Having more armed Citizens means that the number of criminals will be reduced by simple attrition.

            If it were not for the fact that more criminals keep coming into our state from across our completely unsecured southern border, we would have a tenth of the amount of violent crime that we currently have to deal with. Once the contemptible douchebags from south of our border suddenly found themselves facing a secured border, that would happen. But that is not going to come from the current Regime of Obamunists in DC . What we need is Regime Change.

            The exact same is true of Chicago. As long as the Citizens there keep voting for politicians who continue to perpetuate a culture of disarmament and insecurity, there will be no way of stopping the criminals. It boils down to whether or not the criminals perceive that there is any risk to their current behavior. They currently do NOT see any risk, so they have no reason to stop shooting up the place every time the mood strikes them.

            There just isn’t any credible opposition to their criminal behavior. Give them some opposition, in the form of a well-armed Citizenry who are predisposed to open fire when the need arises, and you will start to see some changes.

            Yes, it would be a War. But the War would not last very long, and realistically you have only one other alternative. (see below)

            NOTHING else is going to change the current situation. The criminals have zero reason to change, and they are armed, so the Citizens are the ones who need to change. Citizens need to step up, demand that they have the right to arm themselves, and get to work.

            The criminals would be out-numbered by the armed Citizens and would either retreat, stop shooting each other, or die.

            Sorry, but those are the facts. The criminals are not going to go away, they are going to continue to arm themselves, continue to shoot each other, and continue to victimize the unarmed Citizenry along the way. The only way to change that equation is to arm the Citizens.

            You can try other solutions, but I guarantee you that they WILL NOT WORK.

            So, good people of Chicago, it is time to Man Up and start electing some different leadership, the kind that is going to deal with Reality, not dabble in Fantasy. Short of that, it is time to start posting your own snipers and begin taking out the Criminals on sight.

            A good sniper will go in, drop his target, and get out without anyone ever seeing him. Once the criminals start dropping dead without warning, they will start changing their behavior. THAT is your only other alternative. Start sending the bad guys off to their Eternal Celestial Dirt Nap from 300 yards distance.

            Git ‘er Done, Scooter.

          10. Scott Campbell says

            I live n Vermont. We have only required by the Feds. About half of Vermonters have guns. We have the lowest murder rate by capita in the US. In fact, even felons can get their gun rights back by the governor. Never has one who got their rights back ever killed anyone.

          11. carroll wood says

            love Arizona, Jan Brewer and Apaio. 1957 a state policeman caught me with an unloaded Walther P-38 and eat my a—-out. told me never carry an unloaded weapon and not to point any weapon at somebody without pulling the trigger

        4. Jack says

          According to the article the chief believes the shooting was GANG RELATED(quite obvious outside the law),law abiding armed citizens are not”out there”shooting hap-hazardly,because of a drug deal/bad debt/etc The chief also mentioned the PUNISHMENTS are not consistent with the crime.That for certain means the TOP PEOPLE IN CHARGE DON’T WANT THE HOMICIDES TO END because the top people WANT TOTAL GUN CONFISCATION,,EXCEPT FROM THE CRIMINALS .

          1. maxx says

            The Criminal Incarceration business is alive and well in America. It is used as a point of pride when reporting on employment numbers. There are many states that are in the business for huge profits because they have few other ways to create jobs. Liberals blame the large number of prisoners not on CRIME but on racism and while privilege which is what they blame everything on since it can’t be liberal policies that are to blame for the failure of society.

          2. Jack says

            This article is about Chicago,and the chief believes the incarceration time is too SHORT,for the/a crime committed,see also maxx below.

          3. QUASAR says

            Of course they do cuz they know without control of the guns they have no control over us ‘ they know the criminals will get guns and they don’t give a rats ass ‘THEY WANT OURS.

          4. Jack says

            AGREED,,It may get/sound scary,but the day will come,when you and I and millions and millions and millions,will be taking aim at them and their minions and we won’t know each other,except as being real,true AMERICAN PATRIOTS,have a good one.

          5. QUASAR says

            If it happens i’lle be there friend .

          6. Jack says

            Yes,me too,and I am confident,those millions and millions and millions,I referred to will be there also,have a good one..

        5. danny kimbrel says

          Imagine if you had 100 law abiding gun owners standing in a group, and a punk walked up and pulled a gun, how long do you think he could shoot ? i would say about two shots, then he would go down in a hail of bullets and his “friends” would think twice before going after civilians !

          1. ipsd48 says

            that’s why you SELDOM hear about armed robberies at a cop bar.

          2. QUASAR says

            Yeah ‘ the person would definitely be labeled stupidest person alive ‘ right behind KILARY .

          3. danny kimbrel says

            Yes, in those robberies, the perp usually just stands looking stupid because the show of force is overwhelming , and they don’t get a chance to shoot.

          4. QUASAR says

            Hope something like that happens soon cuz the thugs need to be shown that crime does not pay in a armed society.

        6. maxx says

          There was a reason why Al Capone and the gangs of the 30’s & 40’s set up headquarters in Chicago. It was always run by Chicago Machine politics meaning democrat politicians and unions.

          1. QUASAR says

            Yup ‘old AL lived like a king there .

      3. Gary Dingle says

        If we really need guns to be polite we are a real fucked up mindless bunch of idiots. We are not a civilized society. We are a bunch of animals living like dogs. Fear of violence, is that a way to live? Fear of death, is that away to live. Who will protect the children who can’t carry guns? Should we arm children so they can learn to be polite also? Do we really live in a society were the fear of guns makes people polite? That seems crazy and animal like to me. So how do you teach your children to live in a country where you believe guns are required to make people teach each other with respect?

        1. disqus_PeRYgPx0Bk says

          It does not make people “polite.” It does lead people to be thoughtful (as in “if I do X, what will the consequences be?”). Criminals take what they see as the path of least resistance to achieve their goals (as most people do). When “gun crime” was being prosecuted (possession by felon; us in conjunction w/ other crimes, etc.) here in IL professional criminals (gang bangers, thugs etc.) became much more sensitive to being caught with weapons on them (for example they had woman in the gang hold the guns as the courts are less likely to prosecute them). That is, when the path to getting what they wanted with a gun was more “resistant” they chose another path. When Ohio increased sentencing for gun crimes and actually incarcerated gun felons overall crime rates went down. Might call that the “few bad apples effect.” It too often seems prosecutors are quick to throw the gun charge out in any plea deal — to get any guilty plea rather than get a conviction on the more serious offense.
          If you look at much of the rest of the world (I recommend Keith Richberg’s book: Out of America) you will see much more “animal” behavior (as you put it) than we typically see here in America. Cultures always clash. Throughout time “genocide” has been the norm (about every 10 years through the 20th century). Peace tends to occur not when conflicting cultures “coexist” but when one culture is dominate and alternate ideas/behaviors are not tolerated.

        2. danny kimbrel says

          do some reading, the early part of this century, you could walk down the streets in any city and go unmolested #1 because the criminals knew that you had a gun in your pocket #2 there were no gun free zones, or like i call them criminal shooting galleries #3 knowledge of everyone carrying does make society polite, would you be the cause of your own death to be a wanna be ruffian or thug ?

          1. Dan Menard says

            Points well made, specially your # 2 statement!

          2. danny kimbrel says

            Yes, it has a better ring to it. And if the liberals had any real brain power, they would see it as such .

          3. QUASAR says

            They should reclassify gun free zones as LIFE FREE ZONES as these places are where the thugs go when they want to shoot unarmed people.

        3. Bob McMahan says

          Gary, it depends somewhat on where you live. Where honest folks have guns, there are few problems. Where citizens are not allowed to carry, things are as you described. This year, Alexandria, Virginia had its first murder of the year in the first week of July. Washington, DC has its first murder, usually, on January 1, and more follow almost every day. In Virginia we can carry. In DC, not so much.

          1. QUASAR says

            Yup ‘here in northern minnesota it is very quiet and peaceful ‘the police have a real easy time here cuz there has not been a shooting in so long I can’t remember when the last time was ‘ everyone here has and carries guns ‘you can walk down the street and see people open carrying and it makes you feel so safe ‘hey gary come to GRAND RAPIDS and tell me guns don’t make a person safe .

        4. maxx says

          You obviously have the misguided belief that mankind is inherently good. That might very well be true in places where God is still part of a persons or family’s or communities life. That is NOT the case in much of urban America today. And which political ideology is most anti-god? That would be the ones running the places like Chicago, Detroit, NYC, that’s who. The greatest defense is a powerful offense. .

        5. joe says

          Show me the la la land where crime does not exist and you have your answer to the place we do not need guns and maybe you can fly there on your unicorn. These violent scumbags need to be shot dead in the streets when they attack innocent people to teach all the other scumbags the people of this country are not easy targets. Attack me or my family and put them at risk you die period, you are nothing more than a target to me at that point your life has no value and no meaning I am there to put you down end of story and I will have no regrets doing it.GUNS ARE GOOD more guns equals less crime this is a FACT period I do not care if you like it or not it is a FACT. And why the heck do you think a criminal carrys a gun it is to put fear into people, what is the matter with you. If you prefer to make yourself and your family a victim that is up to you it sure seems like the cowardly way to go to me however. I will defend my family at ANY cost and it is my right to do so using what ever means I see fit, the government you or anyone else will NOT tell me what I can and can not do when it comes to that.
          “The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun” Wayne Lapierre VP of the NRA said that and he was spot on thank you NRA for protecting our right to defend ourselves against animals.

          1. ipsd48 says

            Used to be crime was non-existant in graveyards, but even that isn’t true anymore.

          2. QUASAR says

            Well said ‘I’m a NRA member too ‘Gary lives in this little utopia where no one is ever killed by violence and guns are not needed ‘ Too bad it is really a fairy tale cuz he definitely is not living in reality.

        6. ipsd48 says

          It’s not the ODDS of being attacked you need to worry about Gary………………it’s the STAKES if you are.

          1. QUASAR says

            Exactly ‘ it’s not the odds of being robbed ‘raped or assaulted but what happens if and when it happens .I won’t place my or my families lives in jeopardy hoping it won’t happen but plan for the worst and hope for the best.

        7. QUASAR says

          Do you actually believe that crap’ I carry to protect my family and me from violence’ do you actually think a criminal will stop because I say ‘oh please sir don’t harm me we are a civilized society and I don’t want to live in fear ‘Guns make the criminals think twice and nothing else ‘ force must be met with equal force .You can bet the farm anyone trying to harm me or my loved ones will be in serious trouble from my end .If that makes me a animal so be it cuz I will be a live one and they will be dead.

        8. festmatt5440 says

          How did you get so ignorant ‘, and stu – pid ” ; in only one lifetime ?

        9. tinkerunique says

          A “polite society” is one that has RESPECT and TOLERANCE of other. It has NOTHING to do with fear. IF you act respectful to others, they (should) show respect for you. IF they do not, than they have no respect for you and little for themselves. It is said that we are living in a “ME FIRST” generation, I grew up with respect for others. THAT is taught at home, not in school, but it used to be, along with manners.

      4. Dan Menard says

        We like and agree with this primes! Good job,

      5. maxx says

        An armed society is made up of citizens. An unarmed society is made up of subjects.

        1. festmatt5440 says

          ” Gun control ” , means having to use two ‘ hands .

          1. tinkerunique says

            Agreed, but I’d define it a bit more, hitting the target just where you want to. With practice, close range shooting is like pointing your finger and looking at a specific spot to place the “lead pill”.

          2. supergun says

            Gun control~~~~~Russia, China, N. Korea, Iran, pussyland.

          3. hoss50cal says

            Don’t forget England they screwed their citizens to the point that it is against the law to defend yourself in any way

        2. supergun says

          slaves.

      6. LieutenantCharlie says

        Not in Chicago,…. 4th of July weekend, and all of the Black Urban Criminal Thugs came out to play, with their “STOLEN FIREARMS”!
        So there was a bunch dead, and a bunch wounded, and the DumbA**es in Chicago say, its the gun laws.
        Black Urban Criminal Thugs, don’t follow the laws, or do they a big poop about the laws!

        1. disqus_PeRYgPx0Bk says

          Step one could be to go into the “urban areas” and teach gang bangers/thugs how to shoot. If they could/would hit what they are ostensibly aiming at — other thugs — part of the problem would be solved.

      7. hora says

        When all Dems take out politic and are all destroy, be will back sanity, a problem are not weapon but are corrupt criminals Dems, and weapon hell clean garbage.

    3. Michael Dennewitz says

      You can lead a horse to water, but………. And you know the rest. Somewhere along the line, these dumbassed politicians just aren’t getting it. Everyone in my entire neighborhood KNOWS I have 7 different weapons, and they know they don’t want to feel one up their ass. Shitcago! Ha! Let’s disarm every legal gun owner, that way the thugs won’t get their asses shot when they decide to break in and rob you! Brilliant thinking, you dumbasses! Florida doesn’t have that law. In fact, an 11YO girl was hiding in a closet not long ago when a burglar broke in. When he opened the closet and came face to face with a double barreled, sawed off shotgun, that was the end of his career! Damned sure wouldn’t have gone down that way in Shitcago… DUHHHHH!?!??

      1. QUASAR says

        Kudos to the 11 year old ‘ I shudder to think what could have happened to her had the gun not been present .

        1. festmatt5440 says

          Her parents did a good job of preparing her for this ” communist ‘ society .

          1. QUASAR says

            Yes they did .

    4. jimvancise says

      Well, with one notable exception,Robert “”A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State”. Are you a member of “a well regulated Militia” ?

      1. Bob McMahan says

        Jim, the militia consisted of all adult males. So, I suppose I am.

    5. kbfallon says

      That’s obvious to the ordinary people-but-the politicians use the gun laws as a way of explaining why they do nothing about the scumbags….criminals…illegal aliens…etc….example=illegal who killed the woman in san-fran…stole the gun from a land bureau asswipe who left his gun in a car in an area infested with the types described–not to mention that they robbed the tv crews who came to record what the illegal criminal did….what a nice place to not go to-been there once and couldn’t believe what a bunch of miscreants existed there.

    6. loran says

      Let’s look at Texas and Arizona, what do you think the crime rate there is involving the use of fire arms? Most likely very low in relationship to Chicago and DC and New York City. Definitely lower than Baltimore.

      1. festmatt5440 says

        Both ‘, have ( open carry ) . loran ‘ ; You heard the one about the young lady in Texas , who shot and killed an intruder six times , whose intent was to rape her ? The sheriff asked her why she shot him six times ‘ ; she replied ‘ ;the gun run out of bullets ‘.

    7. Terry Hamblin says

      In Switzerland the public is required to have guns, required to take courses on how to safely use guns, required to serve in the military and required to help defend their country. You may research all you want there has never been any riots in Switzerland, because no one there has any reason to riot and the scumbags who have started the riots in the rest of Europe and in the U.S. don’t have the balls to try it in Switzerland. A murder in Switzerland is almost unheard of, this people, is gun control!

    8. raziel71 says

      WIth the recen

    9. tinkerunique says

      Also, look up the “Efficiency of Militia Bill” (1902), and the “Dick Act” (1909) to find the FACTS about what the word “militia” mean, and how many guns a citizen CAN have. Specific wording, do NOT assume what the law means.

    10. Steve Crawford says

      R.G Smith THUGS should not be allow to own firearms or purchase them. Only law abiding citizens should be allowed to purchase and own and carry firearms. Felons convicted of violent crimes, including those that caused death while DUI or DWI should NEVER have that RIGHT again. A non negotiable stiff penalty should be applied to all violators, and this should be the same in ALL States. THEN, law abiding citizens will be able to have a Concealed Handgun Licence that will be good in ALL States. Penalties should also be high for anyone Selling or Buying a firearm to/for persons without a background check. Kick out the pot smokers and small amount drug users from jails and lock up the killing monsters in cells/23/1.

  8. Tom_EE says

    Those that support, enact, and enforce these violations of our 2A rights are criminal accomplices in every one of these murders!!

    It’s time that those who violate our Constitutional rights be held accountable, and be punished!

    1. Conservative says

      Get to know every politician before you vote for them!

  9. jdbixii says

    Liberal stupidity…..it’s a choice! The perversity of the inanimate object–the gun– is that it would just stay where it was, if a person did not make a choice to use it.

  10. joe says

    Are the people of Chicago just that stupid they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet some of the worse crime. Maybe the pollution is eating their brain cells away someone needs to get to the bottom of the reason why that city has so many dimwits in it we do not want that to spread.

    1. Geo says

      It’s because it’s a democrap strong hold, nothing more, nothing less!

    2. GoldenRudy says

      Pity the poor black citizen(s) financially trapped in Chi-town, unable to purchase a firearm to protect himself, his family, or his property.

      1. jim says

        The law abiding blacks need to take control of their problems, it starts with them

        1. GoldenRudy says

          The Democrat plantation masters prohibit law abiding citizens (blacks in particular) living in of large city ghettos from protecting them selves just like the Democrats did right after the Civil War with the first control control/ gun ownership laws.

    3. Jarhead says

      Suspect drugs has a lot to do with Chicago’s problems including corrupt police & politicians.

      1. festmatt5440 says

        Now ‘, Jarhead ‘ ;you wouldn ‘t be referrin ‘ to our last ‘ four governors ‘ ; who are in jail ‘ ? ‘ l o l ‘.

    4. Rich says

      Naw. They don’t know any better. This is what they have been taught in the school system since the 60’s. How to feel sorry for yourself, blame all your troubles on someone else, and be dependent on big government for your food. This is how the Democrats keep control of their constituents. Keep em begging for more stuff

    5. draidt says

      I guess all of Obozo’s community organizing was for naught on the other hand what exactly was he organizing ?

    6. Conservative says

      One need only look at any large city run by Democrats and you will see more violent crime and murder than any city run by Republicans.

      1. joe says

        That is of course a FACT you will never see on mainstream media they are all obamarat a55kissers. Mainstream media is responsible in a large part for the many semi retarded people in this country we call dumborats and they are nothing more than mindless puppets easily manipulated by thier handlers like sheep.

    7. Fedup says

      Inbreeding of the ghetto rats is the problem. They don’t know who their fathers are so you have people who don’t know it but they are marrying their brothers and sisters. When this happens the chances of having brain damaged babies rises.

      1. joe says

        Yes but the resulting webbed feet should make them good swimmers the only problem is the extra large heads push so much water it probably slows them down its like trying to push a bowling ball through jello.

      2. festmatt5440 says

        You heard about all the riots in Ferguson,Mo.’ When they were over ; everything was taken , except ” work boots ” , and ” Father’s Day Cards ” .

    8. danny kimbrel says

      check out where they get their drinking water and where they dump their sewage, it might provide some answers.

  11. xingqin says

    The liberal city, Obama’s city. murder, rape, out of control killings. racism, drug dealings, and gang territorial issues right in the streets and back yard’s of our racist President who wants to take the guns from people and rob citizens of their second amendment rights. Guns have been taken from citizens of Chicago and yet it ranks near the top of corruption and violent crimes.

    As usual the mayor and Obama want to point the finger and place the blame on others instead of looking at the problem and wording to solve the issues. The guns killed nobody, the flag, the racist slurs, the drugs, and many other issues play a role in the happenings but the actual crimes are committed by people out of control. People who hate, people who want something for nothing, people who want to play poor me instead of working to make conditions better. It is a proven fact that when guns are given up or taken away that those who would misuse them will always be able to get them. Often when innocent people are shot, homes are invaded. and crimes are committed, the victims are those with no guns and no means of protecting themself or the family.

    So what does King Obama want to do? Place more restrictions on guns and there will be no problems.
    Take a long hard look in the mirror, Mr. President, for you are the problem. You want to control the world but you can not even control your own city. Perhaps if you were to finally realize that we are a nation of laws and that it is a failure of our law enforcement and courts that allows these things to continue. It can not be blamed upon the police but solely upon those who do not back the enforcement of law. Look in the mirror again, Mr. President, and ask who it is that has freed thousands of those convicted of crime and turned them loose to do the same things over again.. Did you ever stop to think that perhaps much of this crime would be halted with longer sentences with no chance of parole or be allowing the death penalty. Do you really think or expect the police departments to be able to protect all who have given up or had their guns removed? Think again, because that is mission impossible.

    It is plain to see for some of just what your agenda is. You want a disarmed nation that a foreign or even domestic army with weapons can take over and be forced to do your wishes. Every move you make is setting this country up to fall and to create turmoil. You are not a leader but a small insignificant dictator who places himself above the law and expects the world to bow at your feet.
    You are not, nor will you ever be a King. It took two terms in office for many people to finally see through your bullshit and lies but it beginning to happen. Never has there been as much dissatisfaction and hate for a President but you are about to find out what happens when you turn a country against you. Chicago won’t want you and Kenya has been watching and won’t want you.

    It is not the gun, the flag. the Republican party, or any other object that has put Chicago where it is at. It is you, Barrack Obama, the socialist communist racist, wanna be that is the gutless wonder boy trying to be what you are not. You are a fraud, a fake, a spoiled brat who thinks he is smarter than any man on earth. You would like to be God, sorry position filled, but you do fit right in at the right hand of Satan. You and your puppets need to get out while the getting is good.
    .

    1. Dandyangie says

      Beautiful xquin.!

      1. tubesaft says

        Perhaps if Obama had to move back to Chicago and did not have the Secret Service protecting him he might see the problem.

    2. jim says

      Anyone who uses a gun in any crime should be in jail for life, just enforce what laws are on the books no fkg gun ever pulled a trigger , stupid LIBS will never understand it

    3. Michael Dennewitz says

      You’ll never sway the little, big eared, halfbreed of anything. He wants as much turmoil as he can make, then usher in martial law!!

      1. festmatt5440 says

        Just as he ‘ ;and his ” Communist ” ; puppeteers , planned ‘.

    4. Conservative says

      You are 100% right on in what you say. I just wish I could believe that the people that formerly supported Obama will realize that Hillary fits into the same mold as Obama. The only way they know how to govern is ‘divide and conquer’, and incite hatred and distrust. Neither of them can be trusted. They will harass those who obey the law and excuse those who terrorize others.

      1. J Donnelly says

        and get their minions to vote early and often!

      2. festmatt5440 says

        As does, Bernie Sanders ‘ , actually, he is worse ‘.

    5. J Donnelly says

      when a dog is out of control, you give it something to do to keep him busy. A society that permits able bodied folk to literally sit around and wait for their goventitlement is not going to willingly improve their neighbor,volunteer or do anything more productive than rely on criminal activity to boost their government pittance-and that is tax free. When those making policy understand the problem maybe we can solve it!

    6. David Kledzik says

      Guns have been taken away from the citizens of Chicago, yet it remains at the top for violent crime and corruption…… That says it all, nothing left to add to that, very true. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Sounds like chiraq needs to do gang sweeps with their gang task force, and throw these degenerates in prison. Enforce the laws on the books, but that would take away their means to make money.

  12. volksnut says

    that’s because the left along with its heralder in the oval office – foment violence , racial divisiveness , chaos –

    1. Bob says

      Blacks are still slaves to the Democrat Party and just to stupid to know this.

      1. volksnut says

        absolutely – or they go in which ever direction continues to give them the biggest handout –

        1. Gary Dingle says

          Now we have the voice of the true right winger. Behold the voice of Dylan Roof. Blacks just want hand outs. It seems conservatives, republicans, and the right never stray far form their racist bigoted beliefs. And so many on the right wonder why Blacks remain on the left.

          1. danny kimbrel says

            Do some research and see who has kept the black people in check through time in America, you will find that it is the Democrats, so to keep voting for them is akin to voting for the slave master. and i am not a racist or bigot, i just want for you to see the truth.

          2. mac12sam12 says

            They remain on the left because in the 60’s the democrats gave blacks the illusion that they actually care. But it’s all about votes and power. How have the democrats helped blacks, by giving them victim status?

          3. joe says

            And it seem you are much the same in saying all conservatives are racist wow you are a piece of work and can not even see it. You do not deserve any respect from me at all, I figured you would pull the race card sooner or later, so who was it you were saying were all the same again there sparky? hypocriteyou can leave now you have shown your true nature.

          4. festmatt5440 says

            You just insist ‘, on proving ‘ your stupidity ‘ .

      2. Gary Dingle says

        So all blacks are stupid now? Are they just to stupid to know who the bigots are?

        1. Gerry Costa says

          All I see is racism in your comments Gary !!!!

        2. Bob says

          Spin it any way you like, but it is a fact

        3. festmatt5440 says

          Quit yer ‘ hating ‘.

      3. festmatt5440 says

        ‘ Abso – lutely ‘

  13. JR Quarrels says

    Liberals are to blame. They took away God and prayer from schools and replaced government as their God. They have systematically dumbed down education and have re-enslaved blacks on the welfare system. There is truly no hope without God.

    1. GoldenRudy says

      On 10 Jan 1963, the 45 goals of the Communist Party were read into the Congressional record. Number 17 was: “Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.” Prayer was removed from the PS system officially in 1963 or thereabouts.

    2. Gary Dingle says

      So you think replacing God with guns is the answer. What God do you believe in?

      1. danny kimbrel says

        Are you by chance one of the dumbed down folks they were talking about ? by your posts, you are coming off as one.

        1. danny kimbrel says

          Look into where they get their drinking water and where they deposit their sewage, that may well be the answer to why there is so much stupidity.

      2. Richard Klabechek says

        I don’t believe in the Pagan gods, the Greek gods, the Mayan gods, the Roman gods, the Norse gods or the Egyptian gods. Once you realize you’ve given those up, it’s easier to free yourself from the other so-called “modern Gods.” I personally believe in science – because magic has never been the answer.

        I will, however, defend your right to believe in whatever deity you wish – as long as it isn’t thrown in my face in the public square.

      3. Richard Klabechek says

        Did you read my replies to your post above. I cited numerous studies that gun control is not the answer. See the post about the CDC, Harvard studies, Police studies, etc. Maybe you should get new sources or read some of these that were presented to you

      4. festmatt5440 says

        So , you ‘re an ignorant ‘ f o o l ‘ . ARE YOU ABLE TO COMPREHEND “?

  14. joeupyoursCS says

    always the gun never the ni-gger!

    1. festmatt5440 says

      The seven guns , I have , never killed anybody , this year .

    2. Gary Dingle says

      Please explain, are you a racists or a comedian?

  15. MILES E DRAKE says

    The first priority of the Chicago regime is obviously to disarm everyone in the country EXCEPT the Bloods and the Crips, M13, muslim terrorists snuck in by the government and depraved criminals from central America who are reimported even after they are deported. Their goal is clearly to establish a criminal SS that will keep them in power forever, and then to give the Armenia and Bosnia treatments to English-speaking honkies and gringos after seizing their property to fund the new order.

  16. Combatvet52 says

    What can you expect from the Obama Chicago where all the murders occur, It’s always been about power.

  17. Daniel W says

    Here are some TRUE FACTS >>MOST GUN VIOLENCE OCCURRES IN STRICT GUN CONTROLLED CITIES AND STATES,AND IN GUN FREE ZONES????.IN THESE PLACES THE DECENT CITIZENS CANNOT OBTAIN FIREARMS, CARRY LICENSES, ONLY ;THE POLITICIANS, LAWYERS, JUDGES, CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS, ETC.WHEN YOU HAVE ONLY SECONDS TO LIVE THE COPS ARE ONLY MINUTES AWAY(ACTUALLY YOU’RE DEAD WHEN THEY ARRIVE).THE SUPREME COURT HAS RULED THAT THE COPS HAVE NOT DUTY TO PROTECT YOU FACT.>>>A GUN IN HAND IS WORTH TEN COPS 0N THE PHONE.THE NRA IS ABOUT (2) THINGS YOUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS(NOT ABOUT HUNTING) YOU RIGHT TO SELF PROTECTION FOR YOU ,YOUR FAMILY, AND PROPERTY,AND GUN SAFETY.THINK ABOUT IT.REMEMBER VOTE FOR YOUR SAFETY .

    1. Jarhead says

      And stock up on ammo!

    2. David Kledzik says

      True, True, and more True Daniel

  18. Gerald A. Reason says

    My question to the liberal anti-gunners is a simple one but they don’t seem to have an answer: “How many of the guns used in the violence are ones which are not in violation of already existing laws???? More laws will not stop gun violence. What is needed is a change of heart in this nation. Teach people that they are no more than refined animals and they will act like animals. Teach them that everyone else is out to get them, and they will develop hostilities beyond the normal person. Teach them that they are owed everything and they will respect the value of nothing. Perhaps the answer to the rising amount of violence is taking a good look at what the liberal philosophy of life has done to foster it. Then change that philosophy.

    1. Gary Dingle says

      My question is why don’t we have a multiple approach attack against gun violence. The guns used in the Charleston Killing and the Sandy Hook killings where purchased legally. Many of the guns used in urban violence are sold legally to straw purchasers who sale illegally to anyone willing to pay the inflated prices. We have a problem when a teen say it is easier to purchase a gun than an alcoholic beverage.

      1. mac12sam12 says

        The Charleston killing was done with a draw purchase, so it wasn’t legal. I doubt that with Roof’s record he could have passed a background check. The same with Adam Lanza, his mother was crazy to let that kid near a firearm. It’s the mother’s fault.

      2. David Kledzik says

        By two nut jobs, one with a history of mental psychosis, and the other one with drug charges. But will they go after their parents. The mother of adam lanza is dead and the father who gave the .45 to his son dylan roof should be held accountable but probably wont. These are laws already on the books, and need to be enforced, not make a bunch more draconian UnConstitutional laws that wont be enforced either.

      3. Gerald A. Reason says

        There are already many laws on the books which deal with what you are talking about. In the Sandy-Hook killings were not purchased by the shooters. They obtained them from their parents… result, they were not legal owners of these fire-arms. As for the Charleston murders, it has come out that this person should never have qualified to own that weapon but a SNAFU in the State Police office and in a cross jurisdictional police department kept an arrest from being entered into the national database.

        As for the “straw purchasers,” there are laws that forbid this. The problem is, they are not being enforced. If the laws on the books were enforced, then many of these guns would not be on the streets. I personally know of an incident in which a 380 was stolen from a home. When it was reported to the police, it was logged as a break-in and the serial number of the weapon never made it to the data-base. It took several years before the owner found out and that was only because he had someone check the database and they could not find the number listed as stolen. The error was eventually corrected. There are human errors but they are not the norm. We don’t need more laws, we need more enforcement of the laws which are on the books. This would start by listing the laws and make them available to the public, rather than just to law enforcement. They say ignorance is no excuse but, in today’s day and age, it seems there is an effort to hide many of the laws until they are broken and then say new laws are needed. We also need to make the responsible people the ones who break the laws, not the ones who don’t.

  19. He is the World's Larget piece says

    10/4 on that I carry two guns.

  20. festmatt5440 says

    When I went to my winter home in AZ. , this year , I introduced myself to someone , I had not met before. when , I told him , I was from ILL. ‘ ; his reply was ; OH ‘ ; the ” Communist ” state .

  21. Irvan says

    That is about the Chicagoans speed. ALL mouth and NO BRAIN.

  22. festmatt5440 says

    When I went to my winter home in AZ. this past Nov. , I was introduced to someone , I had not met before . When I introduced myself as being from ILL.. ;his reply was ‘ ;”OH ” ; the ” Communist ” state “

    1. CajunPatriot says

      Sorry to hear that. So many good people up there…in and round the Windy City. Take hope…it was not too long ago, we had the reputation of having “the best politics money could buy.” Finally, the people became fed up and voted out the “good ole boys” and just about every Democrat and now we have seen things change a great deal. More change is needed, but things are looking up.

  23. Jr1776 says

    I don’t care what Liberals think, they are wrong about everything.

  24. George Cahonna says

    Sounds to me McCathy has a Society Problem, not a gun problem. A gun, knife, bow & arrows, pipe, brass knuckles are merely tools. How they’re used are up to the individual. O”McCrap & other’s like him are just brain reduced Liberal’s drinking Obama’s Kool-Aid.

    1. festmatt5440 says

      No ‘; it is his ‘ , Agenda “

      1. George Cahonna says

        Hummm…..a little confused, Chicago with a super high crime rate, more gang violence than anywhere else in the country, super strict gun laws that don’t work, & it’s McCarty to blame? Please explain.

        1. festmatt5440 says

          It appears ‘ that I read the statement , without fully getting the ‘ gist ‘ of it , and , you are right ” .

          1. George Cahonna says

            McCarthy, & the rest of the Liberals in Chicago want to blame Guns for all their problems. Always looking for a scape goat, ignoring the real problem, If they ever pull thet’re heads out of O’ s butt. they will see O’ is using them for his agenda(gun control/people control) rather than caring about crime in their city or Nation.

  25. James Andrews says

    Chicago is the fault of the Dems for sure, and their failed policies! They need to do what Detroit has been doing; issue a lot more cc permits, and get serious about smashing and arresting the gang members and actually prosecuting and severely punishing them.

    1. jim says

      The Gov. needs to send swat teams in just take the guns from the gang bangers , this is so simple its dumb, and screw their rights they sure as hell dont give a shit others rights

    2. David Kledzik says

      Yeah they do. Detroit’s police chief said for people to arm themselves, and took alot of flak for it, but he saidhe didnt care, because cops arent always there to protect you. And hey its working crime is going down dramatically.

      1. James Andrews says

        I know….he used to be the chief of police in Portland, Maine. I live in Maine….he’s a smart guy. and a hero in my eyes.

  26. old broad says

    We know who is to blame! The city lack of government ! You think the whole country don’t know the ONLY thing important to you in charge is how you can line YOUR pockets! The only bigger laughing stocks ( and corruption) in this country is in Washington DC !

  27. MJB says

    That is the same idiotic city that broke the state of IL. The IL. hub of the welfare state.

  28. Michael says

    Control the gangs and then you might control the guns. Guns are like cars they both kill. Why are we just picking on the gun?

  29. GoldenRudy says

    I told the State Policeman that my 80mph was not my fault, but my car’s fault. I was only driving it.

    1. Jarhead says

      Did you wrap a Twenty Dollar Bill around your Drivers License before handing it to the SP?

  30. Bruce Wayne says

    You liberals in Chicago are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO STUPID!Your gun laws aren’t what are causing the gun violence,it’s the CRIMINALS that are getting their hands on firearms on the BLACK MARKET!!!!!!!!
    WAKE UP YOU BUNCH OF LAME ASSES!You should have been able to figure that out a LONG TIME AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    You could make guns ILLEGAL in the entire city and you would still have gun violence.WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    1. Jarhead says

      Welfare is also the blame since Stamps/Snap can be converted into cash for gun purchase, also used for booze, drugs, tats, gambling, vacations, pay-off to crooked cops, etc.

  31. Gregg the voice of reason says

    Obama’s home town.
    They should start policing big time instead of looking the other way because it is POLITICALLY correct.

  32. Irene Elizabeth Grooms says

    You who think that most of us will just let you walk in and take our GUNS HAVE GOT ANOTHER THOUGHT COMING YOUR WAY. WE AREN’T FOOLS LIKE THE GERMAN PEOPLE WHERE.

  33. RobertNorwood says

    Of course they would shift blame – liberals are the problem. Liberal policies and programs are at the root of inner city violence, an increasing lack of respect for laws, decency, and civil behavior.

  34. OldHighlandGuyOne says

    All liberals, Obama included, must place a sign in their front yard and in every window declaring that their home is a gun free zone. I’m sure the thugs, with illegal guns, would just love it.
    Now, at my house, I have just the opposite posted in my windows. I have not had a problem in 25 years.
    I guess the barking dog and security system helps too.

    Also, on the bright side, there is a lady, just down the street, that thwarted a robbery in her home when she drew down on the intruder. It worked out very well for her.

    1. Gary Dingle says

      I have no signs and no guns. I haven’t had a problem for 64 years. But I stay out of churches, elementary schools and universities…….you know the places where Americans love to kill each other.

  35. David D says

    Chicago has a gang problem not a gun problem. The liberals actually think that they can pass enough laws to make the the gangs just turn in their guns and stop the gang shootings….IDIOTS. Whenever a shooting like this happens i wonder if it is being orchestrated by the Obama people to push his agenda. I know he is not above doing anything to advance his warped desire to destroy America.

  36. 0331Tap says

    We are talking about neighbor hoods full of criminals and gangs…Miles of tenement housing and elderly people who can’t go any where…They can’t go out to a store safely…Kids can’t play in the front yard with out being shot…The good people are afraid and don’t have guns to defend themselves…They are beaten and robbed daily in there homes…These people are being abused because the government can’t and won’t protect them…They have no balls…No answer except B/S gun laws…Criminals and thugs and gangs don’t obey laws…

    1. Gary Dingle says

      This is probably the dumbest comments I have ever read. You need to visit the city before you make statements that make a perfectly intelligent fellow look ignorant. Poverty is the real issue. But the problem areas constitute a small area of Chicago. Good luck to you. There absolutely no reason you should live ignorance.

  37. Rich says

    Almost all of the gun violence in Chicago is Drug and Gang related. Gee what do we need to fix? I wonder if the gang and drug crowd is pay to play? That’s the Chicago way. Nothing can happen till the community steps up to the plate, starts to get their act together and starts turning these guys in. Success in the USA isn’t rocket science. Finish school, get a job, and save some money. If you invest well, good things will happen.

  38. legbreaker says

    Just like good fences make for good neighbors. Fvkk you Obama.

  39. POPPIE says

    Ever since Bozo been around !! Liberals all of sudden have a problem with America ! Just leave & take that POS BOZO with you !

  40. Patriot47 says

    And just how many abortions took place in the same period? Hypocrites.

  41. jeffrey melton says

    Liberalism is a disease a symptom of a sick society. They control information by teaching our children and controling media which are overwhelmingly liberal. Liberal teachers produce liberal students. Guns make society more polite.

  42. papa doug says

    Chicago has gun control laws (local, state and federal) that are more strict than many in the nation, dozens of gun control laws and none of them prevented the violence last weekend and leftists answer is more worthless laws?

    It’s clear to me they want to eliminate citizens ability to protect themselves and make it far easier to install a socialist government since the people will no longer be able to resist and THAT is their primary aim!

  43. BobInBpt says

    LAWS DON’T STOP CRIMINALS ! What part of that do they not understand? I would bet that the kids who painted the mural in the picture were all toting guns themselves !!!!!

  44. william C says

    Just more proof of Chicago’s stupidity, or insanity, or both.

  45. junkmailbin says

    Chicago liberals are the cause of their gun (murder) violence. They have fostered the disintegration of the black family and been very light on punishment of minorities.
    Their ban on guns for citizens has turned the city into a free fire zone because criminals do not care about gun laws.
    The mayor needs to get his head out of some dudes lap in the bath house he and barry are members of

  46. pysco says

    Liberals in Chicago got thier wish, they have some of the most restrictive guns laws in the nation….. Now the cops, and the criminals have guns…. Honest citizens are now the prey of criminals, and liberals aided and abetted them….

  47. Goodforall says

    Want to p,lace blame? Look no further than the ghetto thug culture-you may just fine the answer there!

  48. wonduh says

    One only has to look at Chicago, only the criminals have guns, besides the police. No gun zones are the borders. Duh! Issue enough police for each person to have that escort. THEN, look at the politicians sitting in prison as well as the one POTUS who is trying his dampened best to get all guns. Ain’t gonna happen! Chicago might want to revise their way of thinking to solve their self induced problems. Call it the voter box. Good luck to another Democrat state.

  49. Tiredofsocializm says

    McCarthy is just singing the liberal tune if he did not his boss Rahm “never let a good crisis go to waste” Emanual the current mayor would fire his butt! As I have said before lobs are just mentally ill!

  50. glenn398 says

    If guns were the problem then the death rate from guns should be the same all over Chicago not just in the Black section. Of course we have to be politically correct and can’t put the blame where it really belongs.

  51. Bruce Wayne says

    WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  52. Phyllis says

    Not all cities, towns, villages, behave the way Chicago does…or LA..NY, etc…you would think J Jackson could have pleaded with his urban buddies in Chi-town to stop shooting each other, and to give up the drug dealing and using/whoops, I forgot, that would involve these folks getting involved in parenting….the US govt and the UN want the guns taken away for an easier takeover of the country, without the firearms that would be flaring when they try to take over the country by force….look back to the night of his first acceptance speech and look at his ‘stance’ that he held for a long time…I told my friends that the only time I ever saw a politician take that particular stance was Hitler…look up old footage and clips..it’s there folks, and it’s here now…heil obama..

  53. Timothy Bunn says

    Of course the hardest problems is stopping the gangs. Everyone knows this is the problem. But instead guns are the blame. Put a bandaid on the wound. Liberal fix!

  54. DollyT says

    If they have such strong gun control laws where a the hell are these guns coming from! It’s the lawless that have them and they should amass a huge swat team including the National Guard and search the entire South Side and confiscate ALL their weapons and shoot to kill all who defy them. That is how you kill rats and Chicago is infested with them.

  55. glenn398 says

    I lived in Chicago in 1948 south side and while they didn’t have guns of today I can tell you who controlled the streets. There were gangs of kids 30 members 10 years old and up with pipes, chains, zip guns or any type of club. If you didn’t make it back to your apartment by sunset you went to the local jail and stayed overnight as it was assured there was no way to make it up to your apartment without getting assaulted. Now keep in mind this was 1948 and being that bad then you can just imagine how much worse it is today.

  56. downs1 says

    Liberal politicians are disqualified if they have good eyesight and can think for themselves! They are considered eligible if they are myopic and can only see the liberal talking points thrust before them! Guns in themselves do not kill! Angry, violent, sick people kill! Sometimes they use guns and sometimes other weapons. Sometimes they use their bare hands! But nobody says we need “bare hand” laws! All the gun laws in the world are not going to change the hearts of these people who are sick, hate-filled and violent! Gun laws serve only to disarm the good guys and prevent them from protecting themselves and their families. Gun laws do nothing to keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys if they want one badly enough! But try to explain that to a liberal!

    1. Michael Dennewitz says

      If I knock some asshole thug out with a baseball bat, what’s next? They gonna make baseball bats illegal, or make you register your baseball bat?? DUHHHHH!!!

  57. dujaa74 says

    could move to Red China, they’ll feel safer there. LL #2A They could move to Red China, they’ll feel safer there. LL #2A

  58. Fedup says

    It’s not gun control Chicago needs, it’s control of the ghetto rats that is needed.

  59. MARYSWEET says

    The gun laws don’t apply to the criminal element. Haven’t they figured that out yet. All the liberal are doing is trying to get guns away from legal American gun owners but ignoring the thugs and criminals. So when the thugs start killing each other the liberals have to blame someone other than themselves so they blame it on not enough gun control. They will use any excuse to get guns from the legal gun owners.

  60. danny kimbrel says

    Garry McCarthy is a sorry excuse for a human,he also made the statement to his officers to “shoot anyone legally carrying a firearm for their protection” except for his minion of officers of course. But what really needs to be stated is how can most of a city keep voting in Demoncraps so they will make it too hard to protect yourself and get your children murdered in the process ? how sad.

  61. ArizonaMilitiaDotCom says

    Funny, but our firearms laws here in Arizona are not nearly as odious as those in Chicago, so we have more privately owned firearms per capita than that festering stinkhole. Yet there have been no mass shootings since a Liberal Whackadoodle shot up a Gabby Gifford gathering of other Liberal Whackadoodles a few years ago. The shooter was the only LIberal Whackadoodle who came to the rally armed, and none of the Giffords people thought to provide Security, so all of the unarmed Liberal Whackadoodles got their butts shot off by the one that came armed. DUH.

    But I digress. There were a few shootings here and there across the entire state of Arizona on the 4th of July Weekend, mostly good Citizens defending themselves from the criminal douchebags, but we had nowhere near the number of 60 who were shot just within the confines of the festering stinkhole that is Chicago. If the Liberal Whackadoodles were right, and firearms caused shootings, then there should have been a lot more shootings in Arizona.

    Instead, we saw again that firearms cause shootings about as much as spoons cause Rosie O’Donnell to be a big, fat, idiot.

    If the Libtards continue to insist on dealing only in prejudiced knee-jerk emotional absolutes instead of looking at the facts and using Logic and Reason, then there is no further cause for the rest of Humanity to even slightly consider being “reasonable” with a bunch of unreasonable Whackadoodles.

    No, your Libtard ideas of what constitute “common sense” legislation are neither common nor sensible. It is, like yourselves, completely insane. We will not bow down to lick your boots, so stop trying to pretend that you are trying to make us do that “for the children”. Nobody is falling for your Socialist Saul Alinsky crap anymore. It does not pass the “smell test”.

    Everything that the Libtards say about firearms stinks about as much as Chicago does.

    We already have “common sense gun laws” here in Arizona. As a result, just about everyone here owns more than one firearm, yet sometimes we go for weeks without *anyone* getting shot in Arizona. People get shot every single day in Chicago. What else would you expect from a city run by a Libtard douchebag mayor who has been nicknamed “Ram Ye Manhole”?

    Buy More Λmmo. Doing so is *still* the only viable treatment for ODDD (Obamunist Douchebag Distrust Disorder). Doing so is also the only remaining path to Liberty. Support your local Militia and/or your local Oath Keepers. This won’t end pretty, Λmerica.

  62. PLW says

    Chicago & New York have strict no gun laws and yet they are the murder capital of the United States of America… Of course, Liberal Democratic Progressives control both cities… No Suprise, huh ???

  63. shafawn says

    Yeah and if they get their way only the criminals will have guns.

    Use this site to dispel idiot liberal myths about crime in other countries in relation to gun ownership

    http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/guns-in-other-countries/

  64. Shannon North says

    It’s all Obama’s fault!

  65. Gerry Costa says

    Why don’t these libtard morons try doing something about the gangs and the criminals who can acquire weapons illegally at any time. Oh wait — that would require them to do something other than make noise about new gun laws. How do these people reach a position of some sort of leadership ??????

    1. shafawn says

      Their organizers are probably paid and they go out seeking mothers with a big mouth who out of guilt of how they raised their child.. want to point the finger at blame somebody else. Then other mothers feel better about their poor parenting.. it gives everyone somebody else to blame while taking zero responsibility.

  66. TPS12 says

    I guess they have no laws for crimes committed by gangs or I’m sure they would enforce them and get them off the streets. Surely trying to take guns from Law Abiding Citizens must be the answer. This sounds like dem logic oh wait chicago is run by dems, I see the problem.

    1. shafawn says

      Personally I believe now that they have legalized same sex marriage the left can’t wait to disarm us so they can kill everyone who opposes them…. which will be the Christians. Wealthy devious left uses these poor, black, uneducated mothers with big mouths to wag the finger

  67. Lorraine E says

    Guns are an inanimate piece of metal. They could sit on a shelf forever and just gather dust. People kill people. If they don’t have a gun, they will use a knife, poison, their hands or whatever satisfies their desire to murder. For many decades it has been the norm to blame everyone else and site every possible excuse for a murder but to avoid holding the person who actually committed the murder responsible for their acts. That is insane. With everyone else except the perpetrator being responsible for their acts it is safe for them to go on a killing spree and never be held directly responsible. Why do people murder other people? Because they are evil.
    Governments at all levels seek every excuse possible as a reason to disarm the American people. They are the worst offender of giving those who would commit a murder the feeling that they won’t be held responsible and that a gun will be found as the reason for the murder. Also their comrades in the CFR corporate media make a bad situation worse by giving those who commit murders excuses for their actions, fame, sympathy, and glory.

  68. don76550 says

    Actually if you eliminate the crime statistics created by blacks, you have a rather low crime rate. The point being, you don’t have a gun problem, you have a black problem, a true criminal class.

  69. Albert L Biele says

    If you permit the good-guys to have guns, to protect their families, and friends, and the crime rate will CRASH!

  70. MAHB001 says

    Chicago liberals will blame everything except their socialist laws.

  71. Lizard says

    Sems how guns are here to STAY maybe they should out law gang members

    1. MAHB001 says

      Excellent.

  72. JJ says

    Why are these people so stupid that they can never learn? Get the filth off the street, and out of the Whitehouse.

  73. loran says

    So who’s talking about putting more cops on the streets? No one that I have heard. We’re talking about letting the public conceal or open carry. Chicago and DC probably have the most restrictive gun laws preventing Joe Q Public from protecting their homes, their families and others in their vicinity from thug crime. So the arrogant authorities want the public to believe that it’s our fault that illegal gun ownership is the problem. The problem is them, the progressive liberal leaders which keep getting elected. When will the public wake up?

  74. maxx says

    Isn’t it ironic that the cities with the highest crime rates and gun related death rates are all run under the control of Liberal Democrat mayors. How’s that for proof that liberalism / socialism is a joke and a cancer on our society.

  75. Charles Douglas says

    its not my fault sound like obuma wait he from chicago mustr have went to the same school for dummies its everybodies fault but theres

  76. Americalost4ever says

    Big cities like Chicago have always been dangerous corrupt places to live in, or travel through. Now they have another scum for mayor complete with a dual citizenship with a remarkable anti-American past. With an evil uncaring nature. Figures don’t it? So I don’t have to play pin the tail on the Donkey of destruction that has ruined this land.

    And why do people, the media, keep referring to communist, Marxist, etc., as liberals or progressives when they are the direct opposite. Haters, anti-freedom control freaks, and tyrants really.

  77. sox83cubs84 says

    This is what liberal governance brings you…hideous results met with refusal to try something that makes more sense (in Chicago’s case, relaxing of gun ownership laws so law-abiding citizens can protect themselves and their families.

  78. buddman says

    Chicago is no longer the Windy city It is now the Killing Fields

  79. russel heim says

    DUH-H-H-H ? When you are taking guns off the street and not the holders of the guns, you got real issues as there were how many guns per hour being confiscated and how many people went to jail? The shooter of the young man whose dad was a gang member was apparently shooting at his dad so the lack of desire to address the criminal element in the city is again an issue? I heard that it had nothing to do with illegals???? How do you know the shooter wasn’t a member of a Hispanic gang? More garbage from the left? How do you know that a lot of the shootings weren’t the result of Hispanic gangs at war????

  80. underthewire says

    I say give them more ammo……………………..they will self destruct.

  81. Mark N Starla Traina says

    NAAWP RESPONSE: PROGRESSIVE POLITICIANS are really this IGNORANT and this is why all their CITIES and TOWNS are PREDOMINATELY BLACK CRACK INFESTED GHETTOS in 2015!

    “POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is a DISEASE that has INFECTED the MINDS of LIBERALS WORLDWIDE” (TRAINAISM)

  82. Tea Party Marine says

    This gun grabbing crap is all part of the socialist plan which is laid out by Saul Alinsky. Both Obama and Hillary embraced this ideology.

    There are 8 level of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The 1st is the most important.

    1. Healthcare – Control Healthcare and you control the people.

    2. Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

    3. Debt- Increase the debt to an unsustainable level that way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more Poverty.

    4. Gun Control- Remove the ability to defend their self from the Government, that way you are able to create a Police State.

    5. Welfare- Take control of every aspect of their life’s (Food, Housing, and Income).

    6. Education- Take control of what the people read and listen too – take control of what the children learn in school.

    7. Religions- Remove the belief in the God in Government and schools.

    8. Class Warfare- Divide the people in the wealthy and the poor, this will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

    Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States? If it doesn’t, have the Doc pull the plug on your life support, you aren’t coming out of the Coma you have been in for the past 30+ years.

    The socialist left will deny this but that is what they do best.

  83. scott says

    only nigg-rs are doing it.wake up.all the violence in america and the rest of the world is being done bynigg-rs.

  84. TAM44 says

    Take these four cities out of our country and the deaths by guns goes down, Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, and New Orleans. They have the strictest gun laws to and to think criminals are going to obey our laws is a pipe dream. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. With Guns, we are citizens. Without them, we are subjects. I never want to be a subject, and hope all law abiding citizens feel the same.

  85. thefatefullightning says

    With all due respect to the Superintendent of Police in Chicago, nothing with “stem the flow of guns into the city.” You’re gonna have to shoot and incarcerate bad guys, Soop. You are radio-active to Obama, he’s on his victory lap and will not ride in with bags full of my tax money.

    Chicago needs to enforce the laws they have. Put the gangsters in jail and, here’s the key, don’t let them back out! That won’t happen until the mood, the atmosphere, in Emanuel’s dukedom changes to one of support and respect for sworn officers of the law. Progressives don’t do that.

    Deport the illegals that Donald Trump was talking so artlessly about, not the law-abiding ones. Hear that San Francisco?

    Years ago I said it will get worse before it gets better. I can’t believe how bad the Progressives and the Swing Voters are letting it get. Forget the Hard Left. They are booking passage to the Baltic States and Scandinavia.

    It will get worse. How much worse? Up to you…

  86. RobGoetzSr says

    McCarthy was only half right. It’s the violence. These animals would be killing each other with sticks if they had nothing else… Perhaps democrats should abandon their attempt to shift the blame back on guns.

  87. peanut butter says

    Knock out the gangs, then worry about guns. If your upstanding citizens were allowed to be armed, the police wouldn’t have to get rid of gang violence. The citizenry would take care of that for them.

  88. Michael Dennewitz says

    Maybe the goat humpers could be defeated with aids? Let’s send all the lil QUEERS over to them… LOL

  89. Joyce White says

    The flow of guns and violence will never cease. until honest citizens arm themselves and stand their ground. The courts have tied the P.D.s’ hands. They turn loose many of the worst for “lack of evidence”. Forget the evidence. If they are caught breaking the law. SHOOT THEM. If crime ceases to be convenient, it will become more manageable for law enforcement

  90. phil62 says

    I am originally from Indianapolis and when I was a kid (graduated 1966) Chicago was a pig sty – always has been – always will be. Organized crime, gangbangers, drug cartels, rotten City Hall politics and so forth and so on have always been the mainstay of Chicago since the late 1800’s. A PRIME example of what you get from Chicago is the current POTUS.

  91. Jim Horn says

    The Chicago anti-gun machine is THE main cause for such mayhem. Bad people will get guns no matter what the laws say. That’s why there is so much gunfire in Chicago – each and every one of the guns used was probably obtained illegally.

    If decent, civilized people who care were allowed to arm themselves, the bad guys would likely die at the hands of good guys, and the crime waves would go down.

    But, there’s no money to be made when people stop killing one-another on the streets.

  92. Skip Bradley says

    I’m also betting other causes are George Bush (pick one), Ted Cruz, Rush Limbaugh and Talk Radio, the Confederate Flag, White Privilege, ATMs, the GOP, the ‘Tea Party’, Officer Darren Wilson, George Zimmerman, and, let’s not forget, Christians.

  93. JIMBO says

    Chicago has always been a violent place full of crime and gangsters. It was the same during the days of Al Capone. Taking the guns away from the citizens that need them for self defense is just plain stupid. Stop catering to the gangs. Fight fire with fire. There is no logical plan for Chicago s violent s. Sound like the same plane Obama has for ISIS. Do nothing but put up with it until it is to late. The police know what the problem is and need to address it. The hell with politicians and political correctness.

  94. festmatt5440 says

    Cajun ‘ ; why do you think ‘ that I am from the slime – pit ‘ of Cook Co’. ? From my house , I can drive to the the state of Ky, in less than an hour and a half . Yes ‘ ; things have improved , but the ‘city ‘ , is still run by Communists ‘.

  95. Concerned Citizen says

    Way to go liberal less-than-intelligent liberal politicians. Ban guns, but don’t punish the criminals using them. Very smart move.

  96. tinkerunique says

    Chicago has some of the strictest gun CONTROL laws in the country AND one of the highest crime rates too. That SHOULD tell “the people” something. A couple towns in Georgia have a gun OWNERSHIP requirement and that have a VERY LOW crime rate, that includes parking tickets. Crooks and thugs WILL get guns AND drugs ON THE STREET or by thieft. ANY street cop knows that. GOOD guns stop crime on a daily basis, but the media ignores this fact. A break-in happens, somebody calls 911, cops show up minutes later when Smith & Wesson arrive in feet-per-second. Mr. Colt would agree too. THAT IS FACT.

  97. PB says

    Holding criminals accountable. I thought that was the reason we have laws but i guess I’m wrong

  98. Alleged Comment says

    I have called that the DEMONCRAP party to be BANNED as incompatible with the Constitution (they are COMMUNIST) and have called that LIEberals be licensed to practice and be strictly regulated individuals due to mental incompetency and illness.

    And that any American that votes them in will be sent to re-education camps!

  99. richard schlinder says

    The small picture is the shootings and the crime.The big picture is Chicago and Illinois are sunk.
    By way of Greece,Detroit,Puerto Rico and now China.

  100. dpayne73 says

    Tell the liberals how well the gun laws are working,,, Tell the Prez. he wants to take your guns!!!!

  101. LieutenantCharlie says

    The Chicago Liberals must “all” have the IQ’s of an Earthworm!

  102. Morton212 says

    What a load of crap. The fact that guns kill a lot of people in Chicago is only a part of the problem. The greater part is neglect at every level of government of poverty, lack of employment, lack of education and hopelessness.

  103. MadAsHeck2015 says

    Baltimore Mayor Stephanie-hypenated just sacked the Baltimore City Police Chief today (Batts, I think).

    Under the Dem Blue bus he went!

  104. cjg says

    chicago liberals are PUSSIES…. try to come get them liberal ass holes

  105. Steve Crawford says

    The illegal purchases of firearms must be stopped, and all non licensed sellers of firearms should receive a very stiff fine, which will include buyers purchasing firearms for people unable to purchase them. Minimum penalties for unlawful use and sold that was used in a crime, the penalty SHOULD be able to be plead down. None of these suggestions will affect law abiding citizens to own and carry a firearm. So gun rights should be restored to person convicted of non violent crimes, and DUI & DWI, drug selling should be included in the list of violent crimes. As many persons have commented the cities and states that have strict gun controls, have high crime rates. The NRA and gun groups should work with both state and federal elected officials to male the penalties,rules and laws the same in ALL states, and THEN pursue a National Conceal Gun Permit.

  106. syntex1@comcast.net says

    I believe that Thomas Jefferson was right and knew what he was doing, stop the liberals from taking away our safety as a Nation, our leadership is dwindling to nothing since nobama came into power and as a Country we need to get things reversed, however, if we keep those idiot liberals in power we as a Country are going down.

  107. 4Bill_O_Rights says

    Criminals prefer unarmed victims, and Dictators prefer disarmed citizens.

    Gun control is not about guns, it’s about control.

    These people think you should be able to own guns:
    George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison,
    Abraham Lincoln, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr.

    These people think you shouldn’t:
    King George III, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin,
    Mao Zedong, Kim Jong Il, Barack Obama.

  108. ZACAL says

    Stupid just keeps on keep’n on.

  109. Oldchopper says

    Insanity from the left wingnuts as usual.

  110. OldPatriot32 says

    The drug culture is behind all this inner city shooting. Until that problem is addressed, the killing will continue at an ever-increasing pace, or until a mandatory stop-and-search of gang bangers is instituted.

  111. Martin Church says

    Chicago politicians is in a dire need for a major paradigm shift. They should know, from experience, that ortheir gun control ideas do NOT work. They only allow the criminals to take advantage the people that obey the law. Since gang members are known to kill each other, if they would round up all the gang members involved with crime search the residence of all of them and take THEIR illegal weapons, they just might put a dent in their criminal element. As long as they ignore what is obvious to most Americans, that criminals should NOT have weapons, the problems will continue to escalate. They MUST, if they expect to get th theeir arms around the problem, look at the problems objectively as well as looking for the solution in an objective manner. Stop, blaming the guns for their problems, a gun will NOT kill anyone, it is the criminals that kill people. WAKE UP Chicago to your real problem and STOP blaming an inanimate object for your inabilities to control the criminal elements in your city. This idea is also applicable to all cities across America, to include our National Politicians for the problems at the National level. Our politicians at all levels have their heads in the sand or up in the posterior section of their bodies and are refusing to look at the problems of gun violence in an OBJECTIVE manner. Until they too have a MAJOR paradigm shift, the gun violence will only continue to escalate everywhere. The criminal elements MUST be their primary of concern in controlling criminals, NOT blaming the guns of law abiding Americans. WAKE-UP Politicians and do something constructive in bring the criminal elements under control and forget the law abiding citizens, they will take care of themselves with the ownership of legal firearms that, in case you have forgotten is a God given right, as well as a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Get your heads out of where you have them and place them on your shoulders and you may get that major paradigm shift that many of you are in dire need of having..

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  112. BS1986 says

    Hey libtards make your bed you get to lie in it-enjoy burying your gangsters.

  113. organic girl says

    I don’t understand why decent people stay in chicago.

    they should all move out and let the gangs and idiots kill each other off.

  114. Dandyangie says

    The nig-er savages are the problem. If they were still in Africa, they’d be crying over the gun deaths.

  115. LARRY JOHNSON says

    ***Chicago gun laws only permit gangs to have guns- *top cop & mayor stay away from south side – Law abiding citizens stay inside & hope for the best- they have no gun for protection

  116. Debbie says

    Guess what they would be killing people if the gun laws were set. Gansters don’t buy guns from stores.

  117. Michael says

    Here’s a novel approach for these liberal idiots, let citizens enjoy their rights given them by God to defend themselves and then punish the gangbangers and illegal aliens who are breaking numerous laws. Taking away the right of self defense is unconscionable but a typical liberal ploy to gain power in a small persons mind.

  118. phyllisjmurphy says

    Stupid blind sided political idiots and Chicago is the teaching ground for teens out of control…Cut to the chase people! America is on its 5th generation of teen school dropouts uneducated and pregnant start dropping the babies one after another, no father and much of the time, the sperm donor identity unknown and voila another welfare check for the Momma! These kids grow up on the streets, nurtured by gang members much of the time..Most pack a gun by age 12 and know how to use it..Worked in Juvie crime systems and it is a mess..These people are not underprivileged but over privileged as welfare is poured upon them, i.e. food, rent, medical, free everything but the one thing that can’t be given is the will to stay in school at least graduate high school enabling one to move up in society! Saw a black guy interviewed on TV coming out of Court House where he had been hauled in and Judge had ordered to start paying support to the 3 or more women who had babies by him..Problem is, basically illiterate, prison record, little job history…Explain how this dweeb will support anyone when he can’t support himself…Thanks to Lyndon Johnson and his eagerness to get votes he created his vulgar Great Society that has worked in total reverse. Pig politicians exploiting for one more election but destroying America in the process!

  119. MAHB001 says

    Liberal gun laws only remove rights from law abiding citizens.
    Those laws only hurt law abiding citizens.

    There can only be one intent of more gun laws. That is to remove the citizens (your) second amendment right to keep and bear Arms, so that the Government will have an easier time controlling its subjects.

  120. George Cahonna says

    Look at Guns & knives as merely tools….Its how a individual uses them uses them, that makes the difference…By removing all guns does not change that individual……Chicago needs a Society Adjustment…….

  121. adrianvance says

    Well, they are half right.

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” for clarity.

  122. mike slaney says

    It’s time to face the real facts, LIBERALS are the reason for America’s Problems!

    1. Jeanne Stotler says

      Second problem is the ones brain washed and schools revising History to suit themselves.

  123. Elmer Fredrick says

    Seems to me that Chicago must RID THE CITY OF DEMOCRATS to LOWER THE CRIME RATE

  124. real talk 1 says

    CHICAGO have problems with out gun laws or with laws just a bad scene !!

  125. disqus_CeZmTpgh9W says

    Chicago has VERY STRICT gun laws. However only the VICTIMS of the gang bangers obey them!
    Glad I got the hell out of Shitcago over 50 years ago!

  126. Joseph L. Light says

    Gun laws do not cause killings; but drug dealers with guns, cause the murder of innocent and guiltless, to be caught in the crossfiring.
    Only the criminal element cause the killings..

  127. The duck says

    Well maybe if we keep doing what has not worked we can make what don’t work, work. We removed all responsibilities from every individual so we can not worship as we want not can we assume we will be held accountable to our supreme being (God). Nor are we allowed to defend our person, property or papers from scoundrels with the required force it takes to defend ourselves and our families. We have to put up with drive by shooting, rioters who destroy our property just because some law enforcement officer makes a mistake in protecting us from a criminal. When will it stop so law-abiding citizens can become safe again? Maybe when Sharia takes the place of our Constitution we will know peace. Bet the cry of all libers will be, No one told us that. Pray for peace and the quick return of our God Jesus Christ.

  128. donemyhomework says

    It starts with the local government and the communities. It’s their responsibility to clean up the streets. And to make enforcement the primary issue. It doesn’t have anything to do with garnering National attention. What you’ve really got is dirty Politicians and dirty Cops. Besides the gunfire, they probably have slave trading going on too. Everybody gets a cut. Chicago is the equivalent of a cesspool and it always has been. Their problem, they fix it. This article is the equivalent of bellyaching. And nobody really want’s to hear it.

  129. Oma says

    I am from Chicago originally and I have to say nobody every claimed Chicago people were very smart. My mothers Irish cousins were about the dumbest people I every met, yet they all had jobs as firemen and policemen. They just paid Dailey money and they got the job. He lived behind my great uncle. Most of you never heard of ma and pa Kettle. Her aunt lived in a nice bungalow but when you went in there were chickens running around the doors and windows open and bugs flying in and out. Everyone sat around a long table and her aunt, which I am ashamed to say was German, she would throw pieces of bread to every plate on the table. Sometimes she would dip it first in gravy if someone wanted it. I hated going there as her husband was deaf along with the other men there from getting the fire hoses in their ears. They would all scream at each other when talking. The furniture and floors were full of chicken feathers and would sometimes fly in you face. I asked my mother why the Irish on my fathers side weren’t like that. She then explained that there were two types if Irish, the shanty Irish like her aunts husband came from and the lace curtain Irish. All I knew they weren’t very smart. There were a lot of people who did the dumbest thing. As old as I am nothing has topped them.

  130. Paladin says

    Just let ’em kill each other while barricading the south side… much like newark, ’68…

  131. Vernon Cunningham says

    any more gun laws that don’t work and you may as well start collecting the guns. Oh wait, you aren’t getting the guns from the bad guys now, so what effect would another law do? This is just a way for politicians to say ” see we are doing something about it.” get off your fat behinds and go to the streets. of course you may be risking your life. The honest people are restricted on gun rights.

  132. capa760 says

    The American Citizens who have read “The Communist Rules for Revolution”,(1919 copy) and “The Communist Takeover Of America- 45 Declared Goals” (1963) will tell you how to create public fighting over a beautiful US History Flag, But no one stood up in South Carolina shouting about the White Bed Sheets all around the State of South Carolina and every Southern US Township- shopping centers, hospitals, hotels and motels, hanging on clothes lines for children to see, at the Laundromats, worn at Halloween by inno-cent children as Ghosts. The KKK members were hiding behind white sheets with cutouts to see, and were the evil hatred filled men in their communities, for the crimes that no self respecting man would commit ever
    Where are ALL of The Fearsome War mongrels stirring up a Communist started fight between friends, neighbors, family members, as the rules order lots of ‘disorder to cause fighting among the residents? I did not see acting President Obama apologizing to the South Carolina residents, who may have been part of his family’s slave runners. For those descendants of slaves, brought to America, and escaping the evil
    genocides in foreign countries, you carry on the Family Tree of Life for your ancestors. It was your FLAG and a piece of History for those in the South, and you let the Communists of America belittle your past, to
    start another war. I voted against the memories of white bed sheets, and to Judgment Day for the KKK.

  133. Maggiemae says

    Of course they blame gun laws. That’s what liberals do. They are not able to assess any problem, find an actual true and viable solution and work on that. It’s much easier to spread that blame anywhere they can…except in their own back yards. Until liberals realize they are out of control on all issues, nothing will ever change…it just gets worse. Our Founding Father’s realized the failure of people and thankfully, wrote ALL their works based on that principle.

  134. Larry Cowden says

    Chicago, Baltimore, Ferguson, Africa, San Fran, NYC, all high densities of blacks that act and behave no different now than 300 years ago when they were living in mud huts. Except now it’s liberals and black liberals proving that it is impossible to have any black community where violence will not exist. They lack the very foundations and understanding of what “civilized” means and personal responsibility to the community! Blacks will slaughter blacks! It’s their law of the jungle!

  135. Laurence Almand says

    Chicago and Washington DC are both proof of the old saying, “If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.”
    This fact is deliberately ignored by the gun-control do-gooders like Bloomberg, Feinstein, etc.

  136. alfy says

    READ AN ARTICLE,RECENTLY ABOUT A RIFLE,WHICH HAD LAIN UP AGAINST A TREE FOR OVER 50 YEARS THE STOCK HAD ROTTED AND BLENDED WITH THE TREE..IN ALL THAT TIME THAT RIFLE DID NOT KILL ANYONE OR HAD EVEN FIRED A BULLET.LIBERALS SHOULD PAY ATTENTION AND READ THIS!

  137. Walter Flatt says

    DO LIKE DETROIT CHEIF, ARM ALL THE PEOPLE AND TELL THEM TO STOP THE MESS.

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