Choice, Sexuality, and Where We Draw the Line

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One of the most eagerly dismissed arguments against the legalization of same-sex marriage is the “slippery slope” one. Liberals have taken a lot of pleasure in mocking this argument. No, silly Christians, we aren’t going to legalize polygamy next. No, people aren’t going to marry their pets. How stupid are you? This is just about homosexuals. Go back to your guns and your Bibles.

But, as reliably as clockwork, we are already starting to see the next phase in the liberal movement. With nationwide same-sex marriage nearly in the bag, these groups are turning their attention to other forms of sexual deviancy to see what they can do.

On the public support generated by shows like Sister Wives and Big Love, liberals like Jillian Keenan of Slate have argued that it’s time to make it legal for people to marry as many partners as they wish. “Legalized polygamy in the United States is the constitutional, feminist, and sex-positive choice.”

More disturbingly, however, there is a growing movement against the stigma of pedophilia. Anyone who wants a front row seat to this movement need only turn their browsers to Reddit, where the left-leaning libertarians miss no chance to defend child pornography. According to the deep thinkers on that site, pedophilia is as inborn as homosexuality. Therefore, it is hardly fair to cast pedophiles as society’s villains.

This type of thought isn’t limited to basement-dwelling internet nerds. Last year, the L.A. Times released a story that argued that experts now viewed pedophilia as they do homosexuality. “It is a deep-rooted predisposition,” said the paper, “limited almost entirely to men, that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.”

Of course, the truth or fiction of that argument is entirely irrelevant. Psychology has shown us that any number of deviant behaviors are inborn. Those that aren’t are often developed by one’s upbringing, over which a person has as little control as their genetics. In fact, when you get right down to it, you can make the argument that a person has no control whatsoever over what kinds of urges they may deal with in life.

This is where we’re headed, and the implications are scary. With these kinds of arguments, you can remove personal responsibility from the equation altogether. Humans are just breathing automatons, guided by forces over which they cannot control. If you’re angry enough, go ahead and kill somebody. It’s not your fault. You couldn’t have made any other choice. We should understand that.

This is the way a society collapses. When we throw our hands in the air and say, “okay, fine…anything goes,” we might as well suspend the laws and see what happens. I don’t think the outcome will be pretty.

226 Comments
  1. Combatvet52 says

    “we might as well suspend the laws and see what happens. I don’t think the outcome will be pretty”
    Liberals are doing all they can to destroy this country, soon you will be able to marry your computer.

    1. Jim says

      I think they already have.

      1. Combatvet52 says

        Knowing what’s going on in this once beautiful country, wish i was back in the 50s again.

        1. Kenneth Van Antwerp says

          You and me both.

          1. Combatvet52 says

            Kenneth Life was so different calm honest until we got big government like the present administration.

          2. 454 casull says

            Very true .

        2. Jim says

          I’m with you on that.

        3. 454 casull says

          You’re not the only one friend ‘When I was younger [EARLY 60’S] We used to walk two miles to gramdmas house and no one ever gave a thought about being abducted back in those days cuz the neighbors always looked out for one another .Truly sad those days are gone for it was a great time to be alive.

          1. Bob Sherbondy says

            I walked a mile to grade school [30’s and 40’s], and sometimes came home for lunch. I never ate in a lunch room until I was high school, and I’ve never ridden on a school bus even to athletic contests.

          2. phil62 says

            When we were kids in the late 50’s and 60’s we would eat supper and then the neighborhood kids would go outside at night and run around and play till bedtime and never had to be afraid. The same was true for the daytime: we played in the woods, built forts, went to the swimming and fishing holes totally unsupervised. God PlEASE forgive me but I hate pedophiles and pornography and the people that promote it.

          3. 454 casull says

            We all do who love our children ‘Just you describing your early childhood brings back fond memories of mine which was very similiar.THANKYOU.

          4. Combatvet52 says

            I remember that we never locked the front door and the garage door was open and the keys were in the ignition, we had 3 cars two were in front of the house with the keys in them as well never had a car stolen or the house broken into,
            now we need to install a gatling gun by the front door.

          5. 454 casull says

            Yeah we used to sleep on blankets on the front lawn on warm summer nights and never worried about anything happening to us .

          6. Combatvet52 says

            Thanks for reminding me about sleeping on the grass, I’m originally from the Bronx, NY i did this with girlfriends along the side of the Bronx River Parkway
            never had a problem, today you have to carry a shotgun like Joe the Biden says.
            I remember at the age of 7,8,and 9 sitting out on the curb with all my friends till 2:00 am on those very warm summer nights, again no problems of any kind.

          7. 454 casull says

            Nope those days are sadly long gone ‘we used to walk 5 miles to go swimming on old country roads and when we were on our way home many times neighbors would pull in and tell mom and dad ‘THEY’RE ON THEIR WAY I KEPT A EYE ON THEM FOR YOU .MISS THOSE GLORIOUS SUMMER DAYS OF BEING A CAREFREE KID.

          8. brian James says

            we can never give up or give in to this Muslim dictator and all his cronies that believe in the God of money, there time is near the end. keep the faith

          9. Combatvet52 says

            You know how fast time goes by and we say where did it go…….well 1/20/17 i hope would be tomorrow to get rid of the ERROR

          10. brian James says

            yes Sir but till then we have to stay in the fight for freedom and liberty. there time is near and they know it and are afraid of the results of there criminal acts and treason. Semper Fi Sir.

          11. T. VOGT says

            my Grand Mother lived in a tiny country town, I’d visit and my boundary was the RR tracks.. problem was the store with penny candy was on the other side.. so each time I went, before I made it back 4 AT LEAST neighbors had called or told Gran where I’d gone..and I’d have to write a page of why I’d gone..
            Cursing..only in PROPER ENGLISH.. ie I was up an Unsanitary Tributary without sufficient means of Locomotion !.. Gran was the Teacher / HS Principal..
            Also could NEVER walk thru town without someone saying ‘Oh my, You’re XX’s little girl’ Grand didn’t have to be near, just blood red haired Mom and me carbon copy they knew both sets of Grans and both parents.. so everyone knew me..
            Then there was GrandPop, blind due to Glaucoma surgery when experimental, and second wife who had NEVER driven, sitting right snugged up close driving down the road on sunny days.. you’d hear “Mr. XX Is on the Road !” no tickets, no panic they just watched out for HIM.. pulled their cars out of the way and only when he physically couldn’t drive the manual steering
            That is when the car was sold..
            All True rural KY at it’s best.. circa 60’s and 70’s

          12. 454 casull says

            Sounds like my youth too ‘only thing I had to worry about was running out of daylight for playing.MISS IT SOOOOO MUCH.

        4. katladyWA says

          Me, too.

        5. brian James says

          those were good days but with faith and patriots it can happen again. our forefathers are proof of that.

          1. Combatvet52 says

            Hopefully the evil will be gone soon.

          2. brian James says

            Sir; there is a old saying ” the only way for evil to exist is for good men to sit back and do nothing” we can not just sit back anymore but have to step up and make that difference. Semper Fi Sir.

        6. brian James says

          I am soon to be 63 and remember the good old days but those days can return but we have to take a stand for freedom and liberty. keep the fight going and never give up Sir. Semper Fi and God Bless you.

          1. Combatvet52 says

            Thank you and the same to you.

    2. Russell Guinn says

      Ive got a real sexy desktop just awaiting the ruling Combat52. L0L

      1. Combatvet52 says

        Funny need a good laugh.

    3. larry says

      or your muslim neighbors sex goat!

    4. katladyWA says

      My oh my…I was thinking about my beautiful black cat.

  2. brabbie2002 says

    The only enemies of morality are the liberals!

    1. pmbalele says

      I only tell the truth and it comes from my heart or innermost call. Do you remember what TPs were rallying in DC in 2010? They were not rallying against high taxes; they were there because the WH was occupied by African-Americans. So those toothless smelly women and males where in DC as disgruntled morons.

      1. larry says

        not so,because the wh is occupied by muslims and race baiters !

        1. pmbalele says

          You make me sick. Get over it.

        2. brian James says

          I have to agree with you there, which side of the fence are you on. I mean no disrespect but one minute you sound like a patriot and the next your against America. anyway I agree with you on the race baiters and Muslims in the WH. hope I am wrong and you are a patriot and for this nation Sir. Semper Fi

      2. herb portere says

        Hey pm (perplexed maniac)…are you still on the planet? I thought you left for Nigeria!~

      3. brian James says

        why is it that liberals enjoy name calling when they have nothing intelligent to say. our nations borders were open not by the Tea Party but by the dictator and his corrupt cronies in DC. you are afraid of the TP because you your self are for the destruction of freedom and liberties for this nation. move to Iraq and enjoy there laws.

        1. pmbalele says

          Did you say the liberals are responsible for “the destruction of freedom and liberties for this nation?” So you TPs and Repubs want to perpetuate racism in employment and housing; taking away women rights to their bodies, stealing at Wall Street and in Banks? Well, we will not let you do that. Border! Do you know the patrol officials at the border are now marrying the Latino girls crossing the border? If you have nothing to say why can’t you just shut up?

          1. brian James says

            why don’t you just go hide and some where like the little girl you are. your not worth the time . you talk your shit and hide behind a computer like the coward you are.

    2. brian James says

      liberals have no morals just sick ideas and agenda”s. look at how many senators and congressmen sit by and do nothing along with our supreme court justices who themselves are perverts and pedophiles.

  3. blackhawk132 says

    We live in a really sick world. Obama led the way.

    1. Mike Polzin says

      Very true but remember, obama didn’t put himself in office. Idiots elect idiots!

      1. Frank W Brown says

        Speaking of IDIOTS…

        A Country Founded by Geniuses but Run by Idiots!

        If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but

        not for entering and remaining in the country illegally — you might

        live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or

        to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion — you might

        live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a

        check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but not

        to vote for who runs the government — you might live in a nation that

        was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from

        owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty

        F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt — you might live in a

        nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but

        not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make

        you fat — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is

        run by idiots.

        If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl who is confined to a

        wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman

        in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head

        searched — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but

        is run by idiots.

        If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions

        of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more — you might live in a

        nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his

        teacher is “cute,” but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class

        in grade school is perfectly acceptable — you might live in a nation

        that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more

        government regulation and intrusion, while not working is rewarded with

        Food Stamps, WIC checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized housing, and free

        cell phones — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses

        but is run by idiots.

        If the government’s plan for getting people back to work is to

        provide incentives for not working, by granting 99 weeks of unemployment

        checks, without any requirement to prove that gainful employment was

        diligently sought, but couldn’t be found — you might live in a nation

        that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest

        big-screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a

        wall-sized do-it-all plasma screen TV and new cars, and the government

        forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage — you might live in a

        nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        If being stripped of your Constitutional right to defend yourself

        makes you more “safe” according to the government — you might live in a

        nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        If the media panders to your openly socialist leader while the IRS targets groups with dissenting views— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        If your government ‘cracks down’ on legal gun sales to law abiding citizens while secretly supplying illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        If your local government (Chicago) outlawed gun ownership for ‘the safety of its citizens’ and now boasts the worst murder rate in the country — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

        What a country!

        How about we give God a reason to continue blessing America?

        This was borrowed from another blog, author unknown, please spread it far and wide!

        1. T. VOGT says

          you might live in a country that was founded by geniuses, but being destroyed by those that take the goods and run without paying it forward..think that freedom is free because someone else paid for you..
          kinda like someone 2000 yrs ago too

      2. Joe says

        These elections were rigged by very evil people and helped by idiot’s.

        1. 454 casull says

          SLAVES is a better word.

      3. 454 casull says

        Yup millions of idiots elected the biggest idiot ‘don’t blame anyone but yourselves libturds.

      4. larry says

        obama wasnt elected,he was put in power,anyone should be able to see that! Big money put him in and still calls the shots!

        1. brian James says

          you are so right, old money runs the world and has been for a long time. get rid of the good old boy system and old money and this nation might have a chance. t he thing about liberals is that the truth is what they want it to be and facts are what they consider lies. with a lying Muslim in the white house and his cronies still in the senate and the congress plus corrupt money like George Sores and the likes getting back to a system of checks and balances with equal rights for all can be done but will take risks from patriots who still believe in our freedoms and liberties.

          this has been going on for over a hundred years but it can end, the question is how far are Americans prepared to go. Freedom is not missed till it is gone. Semper Fi and for all patriots never give up the fight till the last free man has fallen. we owe it to the generations that follow.

          1. john robel says

            In the obamunist regime, the money was old FORIEGN money. Very naughty if the the money supports GOP.

          2. brian James says

            there are bad on both sides of the floor in DC, the Dem’s or the Rep’s are the same anymore. no morals and as long as they can keep there jobs they care less about the nation or its people. freedom and liberty is what it is about and not the GOP or the DEM’S. our Constitution and Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence are more than just pieces of paper, its our future and the generations to follow. Semper Fi

      5. brian James says

        fine words and the truth. how sad the times are but we the people can change that if we take a stand and not give up. if our forefathers would of gave up we would be under British rule now. but they kept the faith and the fight going to the end and won. Semper Fi

    2. Santa Chuck Bridwell says

      He didn’t lead the way. This has been going on since before he was studying how to be a good little Muslim in a Madrassa in the Philippines. He has only taken up the mantle since he became a fag in college and eventually married his tranny lover Michael/Michelle.

      1. chamuiel says

        obama was queer when he was a teenager. he liked older men, because they supplied him with money to buy drugs.
        Do try and catch up.

        1. Americans Wake Up says

          He was Frank Davis’ play toy. Who more than likely is his real father.

        2. brian James says

          you say what the liberals try to hide but one day soon all will be known and the treasonous traitors I hope will swing from the gallows.

      2. brian James says

        speak the truth and keep it coming let all know what most are afraid of saying. Semper Fi American

    3. Joe says

      And it’s only going to get worst.

      1. 454 casull says

        Yes ‘sadly i’m afraid so .

      2. brian James says

        only if we the people let this continue, freedom does not come without a price. the question is how many people have what it takes to stand up to a tyrannical dictator and all his cronies to gain our freedoms and liberties back. wonder what our forefathers would of done.

    4. 454 casull says

      No ‘i am in no way defending him first and foremost but the decline started long before him ‘ROE V WADE ushered in a whole new ERA where human life is not sacred any longer .

      1. katladyWA says

        Oh, I had school age children when Madalyn Murray O’Hair made her entry…I felt at that time it was all downhill from there. Every step down from there seems easier for the takers to make. Now, you can’t teach morals or right from wrong in school. Might offend someone. My children have grandchildren and teaching the basics of decent lives…let’s hope for the best!

        1. brian James says

          look at the news anymore and see how many high school male and female teachers are molesting young teenagers and yet the liberals say nothing about that. what a sick time in this nation’s history to have politicians who themselves are predators and pedophiles.

        2. 454 casull says

          hope for the best ‘PREPARE for the worst.

      2. brian James says

        last year the estimate I read was since about 1964 America has killed about 50 million babies with abortions, that’s a lot more than Hitler butchered. there is to many liberals who think that human life is worth only what they say it is worth. to many doctors believe in the God of money than human life. they went to the school of Minglela to get there degree.

        1. 454 casull says

          I HEARD SOMETHING LIKE A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE OF 55 MILLION Why has god not destroyed this planet for what it has done to his little ones ‘HAVE MERCY LORD.

          1. brian James says

            God I hope thinks that there are still a lot of good people yet in this nation and in the world. we the people have to stand up and make a change in the corrupt system that is now present in the WH and in the senate and the congress. we the people are the nation not the corrupt politicians in DC. to much money and lobbyist in DC. get rid of the lobbyist and the corrupt money backers like George Sores and the likes and the lawyers who are senators and congressmen who bend the law for there own agenda’s. Thomas Jefferson said and I think it was him but the quote was do not elect lawyers to the senate or congress because they as I said will bend the law for there benefit. keep the faith and prayers t o God and do not give up the fight for freedom and liberty. Semper Fi.

  4. Seeking only the truth says

    I have been saying this for years. Pedophilia will become just another life style choice, and Jerry Sandusky will be exonerated and released from prison. God’s judgement is coming.

    1. 454 casull says

      If that happens then the human race will have hit ROCK BOTTOM and GOD’S return will be soon .I believe there is a special place in HELL for all those who defile and steal the innocence of a child through this sick behavior and may GOD have mercy on them cuz I would’nt.

  5. MikeS says

    obama is a charismatic not a leader…but, he has raised deviance and disrespect to the level of an art form.

  6. top2004 says

    This nation along with the rest of the so called civilized world has become morally defunct, this has come about by a slow, albeit deliberate lack of belief in GOD, but don’t worry this was foretold thousands of years ago, in what is known as the book of revelations, Satan is a real entity, and his goal is to convert as many people to his way as possible, he brings this about by using unbelievers or people who just plain hate GOD to persuade those who are ignorant or don’t want to believe in an almighty GOD, because it would interfere with their so called enlightened life style. The gospel of Jesus Christ causes people to be convicted about their life of sin, so they go about trying to disprove it so they want have to feel that way about themselves, this has been going on throughout the history of mankind, and is only going to get worse as time draws to an end, as it did during the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. Now GOD has granted you the right and freedom to believe as you wish, unfortunately for some this is not without consequences, so you go ahead and believe how you wish, but do not interfere with my right to believe as I wish. This nation needs to get back to majority rule, instead of minority rule, because despite what the leftist liberal run media and unbelievers would have you believe, I believe the majority of people in this country do not accept gay marriages, or open homosexuality, any more than they would accept someone having sex with a goat in open public. Just remember one more thing if nothing else; Yes GOD and Jesus love you, but they do not love your sin, and they will not tolerate it, as well as we as a GOD fearing nation should not tolerate it in any form.

    1. togetherwestand says

      Exactly. Well said my dear friend

    2. Phoebe Isley says

      Thank you top2004…well written and AMEN! God Bless!

    3. Clifton Tyre Odom says

      All truth. There are many who call themselves Christians but advocate this free lifestyle. Jesus said, “Many will call on my name and I will say, I never knew you”. So this is why we see many “Christian” leaders and followers falling away. They have adopted the world’s (Satan’s ideologies) views and abandoned God’s principles. Scripture also says, “There are ways that seem right to man that lead to distruction”. We, as Christ followers must surrender and seek Him at all times and at all costs. It’s not what we do that saves us, it’s our gracious, loving, merciful, righteous Father who completely has saved us through the blood sacrifice of His son, Jesus Christ, who willingly took on all of our sins for those who accept Him and ask for forgiveness and repent and call Him Lord.

      1. 454 casull says

        AMEN BROTHER ‘TESTIFY.

        1. Clifton Tyre Odom says

          Jesus is my Lord; I can not, will not deny Him. I’m lifted up by His strength. I have found no power or strength in me unless it has come from Him alone. He has proven, time and time again that He is strongest when I am at my weakest. I rely and trust in Him; there is no other.

          1. 454 casull says

            As we should ‘I just shake my head in amazement at all these people who credit their success to their hard work and dilligence .If they had one ounce of common sense they would realize EVERYTHING comes from GOD and without his grace WE CAN SCARCELY DRAW A BREATH.God bless you.

          2. Clifton Tyre Odom says

            Amen, brother, (I think you are a man). He has given us all the freedom of choice and when we become a true follower of Christ it doesn’t mean our lives and living get easier. I have it experienced it quite to the contrary. The closer I feel Him drawing me to Him the more struggles I have. Satan sees what the Holy Spirit is doing in my life and wants to tear me down even more so that I become a failure as a Christian and nonbelievers see my hypocrisy and say, “if that’s a Christian I surely do not want to be one”. Life is a day to day, minute by minute struggle. I find myself more and more, constantly, turning to my Lord for His strength. I have finally realized that I am powerless and that he is, must be, my continual power. I am His eternal creation in a temporary shell (my body) made in His image and for his glory. It is my only purpose in my life to lift Him up (as He carries me). There is an expression that many Christians are “so Heavenly minded that we are of no earthly good”, that is not our purpose nor destiny. While in this body we are to be in the likeness of Christ. I am to love my wife, children, neighbors as Christ has shown and still shows His love for me. I am to show others the Christ, Lord they may not otherwise see. This is a blessed burden that I gladly carry. I pray that even though others may see Jesus in me that when, not if, I do make a mistake or stumble others see me as a weak human who has his Lord to turn to, repent, and continually ask for His help to lift me back up and strengthen me in His fight for men, women’s, children’s souls. He does love me unconditionally and that I’m so grateful for. No-one else can possibly love me like that. I trust and seek Him always.

          3. 454 casull says

            You are a good man and everything you said is spot on ‘We are in a battle everyday between GOD and SATAN for the possession of our souls and I have found that when I go to confession and have my sins forgiven SATAN doubles his efforts to tempt me to fall again .I embrace this though because it just shows how POWERLESS he is to cause me to sin without my consent .God bless you and KEEP THE FAITH.

          4. Clifton Tyre Odom says

            My prayers are with you and for you. Shall I call you 454 casull or do you have a name I can use in my prayers for you? I live in Asheville, North Carolina, USA. Do you mind sharing where you live? Please, pray for me daily, too. I greatly desire prayers from my brothers and sisters for His strength in and through me. Thank you. May our Lord richly bless you and keep you in His hand.

          5. 454 casull says

            Yeah my name is TOM and I live in northern minnesota ‘ABSOLUTELY WILL PRAY FOR YOU MY BROTHER AND WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR PRAYERS FOR ME AND MY FAMILY ‘GOD BLESS YOU.

          6. Clifton Tyre Odom says

            I will, Tom. Hope we warm up soon. Come on Spring.

          7. 454 casull says

            Yeah ‘we had a pretty decent winter compared to last year ‘we got tons of snow last year and it was so frealin cold but the temps this year were pretty nice and tomorrow is supposed to be high 30’s .Not bad for february.

          8. brian James says

            Tom it is greatly appreciated to read out spoken Christians who stand for morals and who believe in God the father. thank you Sir. Semper Fi

          9. brian James says

            I will pray for you and my name is out front. God Bless you and this nation of Christians.

          10. brian James says

            happy to see so many others speak out and the truth. thank you Semper Fi.

          11. 454 casull says

            Not a problem bro’spread the word to those who will listen ‘for those who scoff ‘shake the dust of their homes from your shoes and move on.

          12. brian James says

            Amen to that Sir. keep the faith and the fight for freedom of faith going. Semper Fi.

          13. brian James says

            you would be surprise how much hate mail I get back on this web site for talking about faith and freedom and liberty for this nation but like you say for those who scoff ‘ shake the dust of their from your shoes and move on. Semper Fi and God Bless you Sir.

          14. 454 casull says

            You too my friend ‘I get called JESUS FREAK and BIBLE THUMPER by these athiests and agnostics too but I just console myself with the fact that on JUDGEMENT DAY there will no longer be any ATHIESTS AND AGNOSTICS as they realize how blind they have been as they stand before our lord.

          15. brian James says

            Amen to that strong statement, truth hurts the liberals and race baiters and all the atheists who will fall by the wayside soon.

          16. brian James says

            you sound like a true believer and a patriot, most of our forefathers were believers and the archives in DC shows that and John Adams wrote a lot of how back then before each session of congress they would pray and ask God Almighty for guidance and give praise when they thought the prayers were answered. Semper Fi and God Bless this nation.

          17. brian James says

            you are so true everything comes from God but to many think they are the smart ones. they are in for a rude awakening soon. Semper Fi

          18. 454 casull says

            A very rude awakening and the consequences for their unbelief will be FRIGHTENING.

          19. brian James says

            how true but we can not give in or up to any other group (cult) like the Muslims who consider Christians the infidels and the enemy. while not but a few weeks ago Americans were being beheaded and our Dictator was on the golf course without any concerns for those Americans. I bet if Muslims start beheading Russians Putin will destroy there home land and the Russians will not play with these terrorists and give them open range like our own government has.

      2. mallen11 says

        Salvation: Faith alone in Christ alone. After salvation:

        1. Clifton Tyre Odom says

          Thanks, mallen11.

      3. brian James says

        So true Clifton, as Christians we have to keep the fight going for the continually existence of the faith and not let the politicians who are atheist and perverts most of them destroy this nation. I think in Luke Jesus says to pick up a sword, if that means to defend the faith like Joshua did then that is our fate to continue the fight. freedom and liberties plus the existence of the Christian faith is a on going battle. Muslims no matter what the liberals says want the complete control of the world. look at at he Crusades in the old days the Muslims killed Christians by the thousands. the Christians fought back but point being if we give up then Christians are gone. myself I will fight for my faith and the freedom of our nation. Semper Fi

    4. larry says

      well its for sure that the muslims are out to kill everybody that doesnt believe their koran B.S. written by a pedaphile and child molester!

      1. katladyWA says

        He was also, a drunk who had a type of seizure disorder. He would awaken from a fit .and give the ppl a new command from Allah. Hmmmmmmm

      2. brian James says

        how true you are, keep the truth going.

    5. brian James says

      spoken like a true American. thank you Semper Fi.

    6. brian James says

      you hit the nail on the head, keep it up and never give in. you sound honorably and care about this nation so God Bless. Semper Fi.

    7. brian James says

      you are so right we are a GOD fearing nation and that we should not tolerate it in any form. Semper Fi top2004.

    8. nick says

      I totally agree with you top2004!!! i just wish everyone else did!!! its a sad sad world we live in and those that don’t see it will pay the price in the end for their ignorance and lack of knowledge!!

  7. pmbalele says

    All Repubs and TPs are sex offenders,uneducated, disease infested, liars, murderers, molesters, rapists, gang members, thieves, polluters, subversives, lawless

    1. Mike Polzin says

      Uh Huh.

      1. 454 casull says

        well said WISE ONE .Libturds should all be fixed and neutured.

    2. togetherwestand says

      you sound foolish. go back to bed and stop being an idiot. You are sick. Don’t worry though, you’ll answer for your crimes just like everyone else. However yours seem to be adding up rather quickly.

    3. commanderus says

      The only one that fit that theory are those that side with the Liberals. It is the real Conservatives that are fighting to follow the Constitution, and moral base that our forefathers believed in.

    4. Paul Hayward says

      Sarcasm??? ….or should I ask “How’s that one eye doing?…”

    5. chamuiel says

      How long have you been sick?

      1. pmbalele says

        I love it. You have read my posting. This was my aim – to deprogram TPs and Repubs to think as regular people.

        1. Joyce Clemons says

          For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10 Got stones?

        2. Joyce Clemons says

          Technically, that aim is termed “trolling”. Let me help….In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Trolls are sometimes banned for this practice. But not cute ones like you….

    6. jimwilson81 says

      Excuse me, but you just described all humans, not just a political or religious party.

      1. pmbalele says

        Really, you’re funny. I thought these were traits of Repubs and TPs only.

    7. mac12sam12 says

      You are so childish.

      1. pmbalele says

        You heard me. Just imagine what Gov Sanford did, Mark Foreman in OJ Simpson did and many more Repubs. See one Repub you see them all.

        1. mac12sam12 says

          Look what Athony Weiner did, AKA Carlos Danger. Democrat groper Filner, killer Ted Kennedy. The anti-gun democrat in California caught selling firearms and making millions. Bill Clinton, accused of rape many times and convicted because he exposed himself to paula Jones. The latest, Bill Clinton and his convicted pedo Jeff Epstein riding the Lolita express. The story’s below…

          http://www.1984arkansasmotheroftheyear.blogspot.com

  8. absinthe says

    Jesus drew the line. No divorce. We overstepped the line a long time ago.

    1. Joyce Clemons says

      My husband divorced me. Right after that he married the secretary he left us for. Things didn’t go so hot for him there….Jesus was smart. I mean…is smart.

  9. Morton212 says

    Based on this stupid argument, people who drink liquor will soon graduate to crack cocaine, heroin and crystal meth. They are all after all, drugs.

    1. Joyce Clemons says

      Candy is dandy…Liquor is quicker…and so on. I live in a quiet rural town and we do have some prom queens ravaged by meth. I think it was Progressive. But I see your point. Speedo?

  10. Yadja says

    History shows us over and over again what happens when a nation or empire falls into moral depravity. We also know what happens when religion is taken away, books and history changed, children fed babble from government. I have noticed that the worst and most violent shows come on Sunday. It is as if they want to slap Christians or even people who have any moral backbone at all.

    I have to say that some called sex offenders and we have had several cases of late in my County, were coerced into sexual acts by teenage girls who thought it cute to tempt a grown man. He got 30 years in prison. She was 17 and believe me these teens today know the score. They are sexting and participating in things my generation never heard of until much later in life.

    I am for serious sex offenders being throttled but I think we have serious problems within our country where morality is concerned and TV, movies, gangster rap et al don’t bring us any closer to helping teens stay out of this dangerous scenario.

    1. Eponymous1 says

      This kind of reason and common sense is verboten. Please report to the nearest re-education camp immediately.

      1. Yadja says

        LOLOLOL forbidden for sure and I am a dissident as are millions.

        1. Joyce Clemons says

          It’s virtual sedition…

          1. Yadja says

            Perhaps we can bring it into the realm of Reality.

          2. Yadja says

            I am trying to give you an up and it is not taking.

      2. Joyce Clemons says

        Darn there’s no little love emoticons on this!!! :<)

    2. 454 casull says

      The biggest problem is the SERIOUS sex offenders are in high office and the laws DON’T APPLY TO THEM .IE’ BILL [THE PEDOPHILE] CLINTON.

      1. Yadja says

        You are too correct on this and I have watched many documentaries on the human trade business that is now at colossal proportions.

        1. 454 casull says

          CHECK OUT THE SHIT THEY HAVE ON OLD SLICK WILLIE AND HIS CONNECTIONS TO THE KNOWN PEDOPHILE WHO HAS A PRIVATE ISLAND OFF THE COAST WHERE HE THROWS PARTIES ‘Bill has been on his private jet out to there 4 times and they have 22 different phone ties to this man and CLINTON.God I hope all this shit comes out PUBLICLY before THE BITCH OF BENGAZI starts her run .

          1. Yadja says

            Heard about it long ago. Yes and the female dog will run and if the stupid youth get their way she will win. The college age and youth will do us in again and she will be O all over.

            However she does not look well, she says stupid things and I honestly don’t think she can hold up to a run. But the name I do hear the young people I work with on the week-end is Elizabeth Warren and that would be the laugh heard around the world if that clown were to run and win.

            We are sunk if a miracle does not come along.

          2. 454 casull says

            Or CHRIST does’nt return first .KEEP EM CLOSE AND LOADED .

          3. Yadja says

            I have read the Bible, several different Bibles because some contain things others don’t. The Catholic Bible has more books because people like Luther and Kings and such removed books they did not agree with.

            From what I have read things are falling into place for the Coming of the Almighty. The armies of the world are gathering in and around the Holy Lands. The International court is established and O is doing a good job of loosing our Sovereignty to the UN and it looks like it will be the One World governing body. O fits the description of the Anti-Christ. Never knew one man could be responsible for so much death, destruction and upheaval since Hitler. Israel is fighting for her life and if Iran gets the nuke she is gone.

            The Dome of the Rock sits over the mountain where the first Temple was built. The Muslims have no right to it. It has nothing to do with them. The Jews are looking to that mountain. Gazans are focused on that mountain. When that spot is in the midst of battle we are going to see Him who Is the real King of all the earth rise up.

            I have to tell you I don’t care anymore. I am ready and have been since a child. Death is nothing but Life in the sense of Light and it is wonderful to be there. My heart stopped three times and they paddled me back. I straight lined.

            Happy and Blessed are those like you who believe. You knew you would be scoffed, laughed at and mocked. You walk with Christ no better walking buddy in the world or the other world.

            “)

          4. 454 casull says

            Yup and when that day comes I will hold my head high and REJOICE for my SAVIOR said when you are persecuted and slandered because of me ‘REJOICE FOR YOUR REWARD IS GREAT IN HEAVEN. I too am tired and want to GO HOME ‘to me death is just a doorway we walk through to ETERNAL LIFE AND EVERLASTING HAPPINESS so for me it can’t come too soon .GOD BLESS.

          5. Yadja says

            “)

  11. Paul Hayward says

    The difference between being Civilized and Barbaric is precisely the ability to resist “primal urges”. It is therefore NOT wrong to reinforce, encourage, and compel resistance to acting out any such urges in an organized and involved society. It is no more than resisting temptation to sin (leave out the two words “to sin” if religion offends you)…. EVERY society in recorded history that has been successful, in the wake of having achieved a relative state of security – has given in to a relaxing of it’s customs and principles as a false assumption that this is “being enlightened” and “compromising to the benefit of individual liberty”. Nothing could be further from the Truth, as the granting of privilege to one segment of population to the detriment of another unwinds the very fabric upon which higher civilization is woven. Does not the liberalized pedophile granted concessions trample the freedom of the child? Does not the polygamist reduce the station of the multiple wife to that of chattel? (owned property). These ancient customs – adhered to precisely to limit personal indulgence and exploitation of others are NOT outdated and irrelevant to today’s Society…. they are the cornerstones upon which it has been built. It should be evident to most that there is an ongoing battle between Good and Evil in this world, and not all of the forces of Evil are easily observed…. some may be imperceptibly subtle….

    1. Morton212 says

      A primal urge would include the compelling desire for sexual intercourse, without which a species would probably not survive. It seems to me that trying to resist it is futile and probably self destructive. Homosexual substitution can therefore be a very pragmatic way to satisfy this hard wired part of human nature without burdening society with unwanted births.

      1. Paul Hayward says

        I would not share that view, although you are welcome to it….. My post you replied to dealt with the notion that the more civilized a society becomes – the more they resist these urges…. If you were to point out (correctly) that many advanced societies did indeed indulge themselves and cease to resist them – then I would posit that this was the point where they began their decline.

        1. Morton212 says

          Your claim that the more civilized a society becomes, the more it resists these urges is very curious. I might agree with you that the more ‘civilized’ they become, the more hypocrisy they indulge in. A more obvious view I suggest, is that with civilization comes far more indulgence in issues like sexual freedom – accompanied with a backlash of those who feel that their culture is going down the toilet. In fact – both are perceptions of the human condition which has probably barely altered at all in its drive for sexual satisfaction. My position is that the need to copulate is hard wired in all biological species. It probably is more compelling than almost any other instinct – the desire for survival.

          1. Paul Hayward says

            I believe we are viewing different parts of the same animal…. My view is with regard to attaining a civilized state – precisely through ordered actions, laws, and morality. Once there – then we both agree…. success for the civilization then teeters on the brink, as they have reached a point of relaxation, where strict adherence to practices that brought strength to a people are no longer essential, and they slip into a state of weakness – are conquered, or surpassed by others more focused. Many forms of deviant and destructive behavior appear, including hypocrisy. A successful “animal” or “citizen” will surely experience many hard wired desires… but need not indulge to the point of having sex with relatives or eat food all day. It is these restraints that permit the rise of a civilization

          2. Morton212 says

            I give you that you have made a spirited argument. However, the sexual drive may be arguably the most powerful drive of all (next to greed). And deviant behavior must surely be proven to damage others, to be truly deviant. Homosexuality between legally consenting couples would seem to not fall in that category. We do not commit incest, because that can produce defective offspring – so it is injurious to that offspring.

          3. Paul Hayward says

            I would posit that survival and sustenance are basic drives that supersede sexual drive. Only in a successful and protected environment (Society) – where food and safety from harm are already secured – can sex drive emerge as the primary drive for an individual. In primitive societies, FAR greater time is spent in gathering food and engaging in “fight or flight” mechanisms – and sexual drive is relegated to a distant third place or more – being a sporadic and short lived enterprise. A primary focus on sexuality of any sort is deviant to the basic needs of an organism’s survival, and can only exist in an unnatural, protected environment…. thus answering the question of the survival of a Society. It fails as part of a cycle where the basic needs and requirements for success and survival are replaced by other drives that are now free to be exploited. Put another way – certainly sexual drive is essential to reproduction and success of a specie… but a preoccupation with it is unnatural and deviant to basic survival.

          4. Morton212 says

            I think you have it exactly the wrong way around. In prosperous societies, the birth rate is quite low. But in poverty areas – the birth rate is very high.

          5. Paul Hayward says

            I find that amusing…. do you suppose that impoverished people who are out of work find more time for hanky-panky? The birth rate was very high 9 months after the Great North American Blackout, too!!…. lol Look at Rome and Greece – their deviance peaked at the same time as their society began to decline.

          6. Morton212 says

            Yes. Sex is the main recreation for those in poverty. In some nations where infant death rates are high, a large family is the only way to guarantee a sort of social security in old age.

          7. Paul Hayward says

            Sadly, you are missing the point… Survival and Hunger are the foremost basic drives in human and animal populations – you can look that up anywhere in behavioral studies. The individual is constantly engaged in finding food and surviving. While sex drive is indeed important, it is only engaged in sporadically. It is PRECISELY an unnatural preoccupation with sex drive that makes one deviant and worthy of being locked up.

          8. Morton212 says

            So let me understand – this is your judgement – deviancy, or is it a limitation of the free choice God bestowed on mankind – which will be judged only on judgment day ?

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  12. jimwilson81 says

    I keep telling people that they need to know history. All great empires fell, especially Rome, due to it’s immorality and corruption. Are we next?

    1. Morton212 says

      Why state the obvious ? The human condition is not perfect. I will say however, that the Roman Empire for all its cruelty will probably have lasted hundreds of years longer than ours; we are already in decline and our history on the world stage really only emerged 100 years ago.

      1. jimwilson81 says

        That’s my point. For some reason, many people over look the obvious.

        1. Morton212 says

          The problem with your argument is what you regard as deviancy and corruption. We try to keep government out of the bedroom for rather obvious reasons. Sexuality has no link with good government. In fact history provides example after example of leaders who indulged in all manner of sexuality without damaging their national power at all.

          1. chamuiel says

            Your point is?

          2. Morton212 says

            The entire premise of the article is that same sex marriage leads to the decline of a culture. A really specious and nonsensical piece of homophobic fraud. There is simply no evidence of such a phenomenon.

          3. 454 casull says

            What ‘when you defile the SACRAMENT of marriage instituted by GOD to be between a man and a woman with same sex marriage which goes against all the LAWS of creation’ why is it such a leap to see how it has led us down to the more disgusting behaviors like pedophilia and bestiality to name only a couple .As humans delve into more perverse behaviors they only get sicker and more DEPRAVED.

          4. Morton212 says

            Marriage has been defined differently constantly throughout recorded human history,so one can assume that God is very elastic about that ‘sacrament’.
            There are no ‘laws’ of creation’ although primitive life has been created in the laboratory with animo acids in a scientific environment.
            I might suggest that if you – for example only – wished to live in a homosexual free environment, you might consider a membership condominium complex, with barbed wire perimeters and lifetime of worrying about whether your neighbors were secretly sodomizing each other behind closed doors.
            Regarding God’s opinion on all of this – I would suggest that he is a pretty devious entity, cruel beyond belief with the creation of human flesh eating bacteria that can even feast off innocent young babies and a plethora of other hideous forms of life. So, I would leave it to him to dish out punishment for behavior that he finds displeasing.

          5. 454 casull says

            You should change your moniker to MORON ‘it would fit your response.

          6. Morton212 says

            Gosh – how original of you !

          7. Joyce Clemons says

            A convenient hypothesis supported by marginal evidence, but history rarely paints such detail. Partly due to the most abusive forms of pederasty, From 342 AD the Theodosian Code, which made same sex marriage a capital offense in Europe by the civil authority, albeit under Judeo-Christian influence, until 1061 an isolated documented case in Spain, there is scant data, other than the persistence of the ban, which may or may not indicate the existence of compelling evidence to the civil authorities, which would be obscure to us now. Granted, Indigenous American cultures had rare same-sex unions, predicated on the previous choice of one partner to take on a female stereotypical societal role, with all that it implied in that society, particularly a rigid set of work responsibilities. Such unions were given a similar spiritual significance and deference, as was customary and comparable to that given the mentally ill…touched by the spirit world. Some Eastern cultures have marginal evidence of some degree of tolerance ranging up to deference. In any case, rapid cultural change in this quarter century, starkly contrasting an extended history for any reason, is generally marked by resistance to a shift, and that could include evidence of unrest. That’s normal, and doesn’t support an assumption of any type of pathology, including psychobabble neologisms. “Homophobic” is a neologism that doesn’t even mean what its parts mean. The first four letters enshrine a slur, and the suffix alleges a fear, rather than an aversion to or objection to. In fact, it demeans those with same-gender sexual preference. For example, I would no more use the term h-m- than I would s-p–.or n—-r. YHWH forbids that. The full flower of a life span is fleeting, so the urgency of an individual is at odds with the typical time span of cultural changes. As to evidence: “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” of that which should have been found already, had it existed. In some circumstances (only some) it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence. Given that history is fairly silent on the entire subject in it’s due matter of course, I doubt this would be one of those “some circumstances.” In order to be rational about it, I would have to insist on some type of scientific, empirical, competent longitudinal study. Federalism provides that laboratory, as demonstrated by variations and control groups. There exists a study sample. Therefore, the Supreme Court has no reason not to find that a State has a compelling interest, meeting strict scrutiny, in maintaining a status quo, pending such study, and inadequate reason to cast doubt on the wisdom of the 10th Amendment. In other words, leaving the litigant states, and all unchanged states, alone in their police power. I hope this helps you refrain from any version of ad hominem logical fallacies in your discourse. Glad I could help.

          8. Morton212 says

            In fact documented human history is very scant as you implied. The evidence of pederasty in Greek culture, is however – very well documented in writings, and in their art. And there is history of the ambivalence Romans felt toward same sex relationships – with one caveat – even homosexuals were required to procreate.
            Language is not a study of axioms and so I find your attempt to trash ‘homophobia’ as rather specious. It is a very useful and modern word that is very well understood.
            In an age where human overcrowding is becoming a real issue, there is little doubt that homosexuality is a very pragmatic solution.
            I hope that helps.

          9. jimwilson81 says

            Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

          10. 454 casull says

            Yes indeed.

          11. Joyce Clemons says

            I’d be happy if we kept the bedroom out of government. And whether a leader “damages his national power” is clearly not the point unless you’re talking a hereditary monarchy. Ask Anne Boleyn…oh, never mind. The point of “leaders” in a constitutional federal republic is service, not power. Example, not self-indulgence. Yes, a person who has a minority orientation can be a great leader. Heck, even chastity is an orientation, if you want to be technical. Power in our system is only as good as the service it yields. The first order in most any state Constitution, is to protect the truly vulnerable. Oligarchy can only entrench if the people assign themselves to the ranks of the vulnerable. We urge them to put that off one day at a time, and morality in its broad sense, is a tool for them to use to that end.

          12. Morton212 says

            Civilizations are defined by stable government – so I would suggest you just accept that as an axiom.

      2. Joyce Clemons says

        The reason it lasted so long.. is it didn’t exhaust itself with trifles like “who has to do the filthy jobs no one likes to do” or ” where do I get to rub my manly member tonight.” They had a virtual banquet of free labor and useful human objects to rub. Half of the “free” population were women, who were (most) not much more than cattle to the male, dear Morton. It is fairly exhausting and frustrating to use the horses of capitalism, under reins strong or light, to provide an alternative to might makes right. Even Christianity had to offer scant hope to people that, while struggling to break the long chain of servitude, the soul’s frame of mind offered a transcendent version of freedom. The earth is beautiful, the world is not. This phase of the American experiment may very well be in decline, grant you that. Greed, immorality and ingratitude are those human conditions that return people to the condition of servitude. Overstating the obvious is the least we must do to renew, and perhaps even craft a new vision of sovereignty in our states. Communism and Socialism, and various isms have been in test kitchens all over the map. So far, those casseroles look unappetizing to the bourgeoisie and, paradoxically, to the proletariat as well. Feigned ascetic devotion on the part of the elite doesn’t really fool anyone. We have no choice but to overstate the obvious. Be afraid when it gets too quiet.

        1. Morton212 says

          Every age finds its own modern solutions to satisfy the problem of filthy jobs, or sexual gratification. Servitude has not been wiped out – it merely changes form.

  13. Thomas Dugan says

    Pedophilia will never become accepted and legal as it has victims, the children. Homosexuality has no victims when only involving consenting adults. This just more conservative scare mongering.

    1. chamuiel says

      Been delusional long?

      1. Thomas Dugan says

        I eagerly await your enlightening me. In order to do so, you must be an expert on both pedophilia and homosexuality. Please share your knowledge and experiences.

    2. Joyce Clemons says

      What, do liberals have a corner on the market for scare-mongering? Wouldn’t that be a monopoly? Need a list?

  14. bob says

    comparing homosexuality to pedophilia is not fair. Deviancy is defined as a departure from the norm. That is where your comparison should end. They are not equivalent lifestyles. Our society should be accepting of any deviancy that does not harm anyone including the person who is deviant. Deviant has a negative connotation and I wish there was a better word for it. Anyone who is not like MOST people is considered deviant. But that shouldn’t mean that their behavior is necessarily wrong or harmful to our society. You are lumping harmful deviancies with benign ones. This jump in logic destroys your argument. The opinion of yours is invalid.

    1. chamuiel says

      homosexuality is deviancy.
      pedophilia is deviancy.

      understand now?

      1. Morton212 says

        Ignorance is also stupidity – so I guess you qualify there on those grounds. Oh, I suppose you are going to find a couple of translations from the bible to prove your point – that many prophets were also extreme homophobes ?

      2. 454 casull says

        Forget it friend ;Bob will never understand the similarities between homosexuality and pedophilia ‘both of which are ABOMINATIONS before GOD.

      3. bob says

        Deviancy is a word that means outside of normal. Normal sexual behavior is defined loosely as what most people do. Some things like pedophilia are outside of normal and cause harm to others. Other things that are outside of normal like homosexuality do not cause harm to others. You are making a leap of logic that is unfounded. They are NOT equivalent behaviors.
        And since you are lumping ALL deviant (not normal) behaviors into the same basket with pedophilia, why not include behaviors heterosexual people do that don’t fit into normal and lump them with pedophiles like you do with homosexuals? French kissing, anal sex, any position other than missionary. I mean come on, anything other than plain missionary heterosexual behavior could fall into the same category. Deviant? Maybe; but those behaviors are not harmful nor should they be lumped in with pedophiliac behavior. Be careful with that word “deviant”. You may just find yourself in that category yourself. Deviant does NOT NECESSARILY mean harmful. it means it’s different from normal. Pedophilia is a deviant behavior that IS harmful and needs to be dealt with.

    2. Joyce Clemons says

      Invalid…I like that word. Let’s use it in a sentence. Any adult, homosexual or otherwise, who gratifies sexual impulses by involving a non-consenting adult or a child, if detected, will be turned into an invalid by a mob of bikers, unless the police get there to stop it. Like that?

      1. bob says

        Sure.

  15. T. VOGT says

    Frankly, I really don’t give a rats rear who sleeps with whom, as long as it’s between TWO consenting Adults, IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN BEDROOM. Please note, Consenting and Adults are key words.. as for TWO, anything more is an orgy and not a stable normal relationship and should not be legalized.. You want to throw a party and stuff as many in your bed as you can handle fine, but not every night, day, afternoon and so on.. a trio then that is adultery, swinging or just plain old fashioned Problems in the making..As for Pedophilia, I’m sorry but ANYONE sexually attracted to a child is just plain SICK, you can not in any shape form or fashion come up with a reason that would stop my Louisville slugger. If it is so ingrained in your brain I’ll be sure to knock it out..No NORMAL person gets turned on when looking at a child, and if they are close to consensual age then you better be asking for ID.. There is that word again Consensual.. means they are under no influence of drugs, drink, mind games or someone that has a position of authority over them.
    In the Bedroom, I have to spell that out for some of you.. it means that public displays of affection, hand holding, a quick kiss who cares.. having body parts flashed, parades to show your pride and other things people don’t want to see on the streets are sorry but NOT WANTED.. I don’t hold STRAIGHT Pride Parades wearing my normal full clothing in public why should Any kid be exposed to pasties, tutu’s and outlandish wear that I then have to explain.. Don’t give me it’s what they would see at a beach.. That’s why they don’t get taken to the beach.. if I wanted them to see someones butt with floss between the cheeks I’d take them to the Dentist because that’s the only place it’s appropriate outside the bedroom. I have gay friends they know my views I know theirs and most of the time there is no issues or problems.. but there has always got to be that one ultra liberal crackpot that wants to push things too darn far.. That is when Adults have to step up and say NO.. apparently that’s something these idiots were never told as a kid, they got the do what you want, where you want, with who you want and tell the other’s to F*ck off.. No we live in the same Global community.. and you start pushing into my face too much and you are going to start something that may just backfire on your butt..I vote too you know.. and I may be tolerant to some extent but I am not as brain damaged as some of you out there.

    1. Morton212 says

      The key to your post is ‘consent’. Obviously we do not regard a child as mature enough to give consent. And we know of no way to ascertain inter species sexual gratification as implying consent. Using those two rather unambivalent rules, it should be fairly simple to decide what is proper and what is not.

      1. Joyce Clemons says

        No involuntary servitude. No one can enforce a contract of any kind without a mutual consent. No one under the age of majority, or legally emancipated, can give consent to any contract written or verbal. Any inducement to a child to have physical erotic contact with an adult is payment in kind. But because the child cannot consent, regardless of the inducement, it is involuntary servitude, enslavement. Pederasty was “legal” in ancient Rome but so was slavery. The Man-Boy love freaks wish to romanticize painful penetration and humiliation, and slavery, while screaming for “rights”. If the adult perverts want involuntary servitude, let it be theirs, in the only place where it is allowed in the US…in HELL or Prison.

        1. Morton212 says

          In general I agree. However, where the age difference between both parties is less than 3 years, I would not permit prosecution if there was clear consent.

        2. iowaheretic says

          You forgot about the government itself. I really think it was the old maggots in the government, BOTH sides, that started the North American Man-Boy Love ASSociation about twenty five years ago. I think it was all done on purpose to start this christion war and crusade in this country and to try to make America resemble what they think was the fall of the Roman Empire, which itself is now proven to not have anything to do with sex. It’s just that sex is one of the Christian Bible- Thumpers favorite ‘ weapon ‘ to use as the cause of absolutely anything and everything they see as being wrong.

    2. 454 casull says

      You are so right ‘ANY ADULT who wants to have sex with a child is ONE SICK MF .I’m with you on the consenting adults part ‘SCREW YOUR HEADS OFF BUT LEAVE THE LITTLE INNOCENT CHILDREN OUT OF IT .

  16. Patriot47 says

    Sounds a lot like Sharia to me. Women, men, children, and now animals. Keep the faith and keep your powder dry. The last crusade is coming soon to a town near you.

  17. Dianna Zerbe says

    Come quickly Lord JESUS!
    America is going to hell in a handbasket!

    1. Jarhead says

      PLEASE LORD: Give PC liberal-tards a limp so rational humans can see the nincompoops from a distance and avoid them like Ebola. Can you also Please make stupidity painful?

  18. vietnamvet1971 says

    Evil LYING liberals you all LIE when you open your Big mouths full of Deceit.

  19. Linda Lee says

    There needs to be public outrage against pedophilia 24/7!~!!!

  20. Conservative says

    Liberal, Progressive Democrats will cater to every possible perversion and everything a person could want to get at the expense of others in order to get votes from those with perversions and those who expect the government to provide all their wants and needs at the expense of the taxpayers who they deeply resent.

  21. jim marcum says

    They are some sick puppy’s out there.

  22. OSAMA OBAMA says

    Very “progressive” is Michael Moore really Michelle?

    1. Morton212 says

      No moore, I’m afraid. The sizes no longer fit him.

  23. Peter Sherman says

    As a bleeding heart liberal, one of the most lefty folks on this site… i would line up and shoot any person who acts out on their pedophilia. If they actually did major damage… the punishment would be significantly worse.

    the people discussed in this article are as fringe as polygamists are to Christianity… as ISIL is to Islam etc. etc.. there are always fringe elements and those fringe elements are usually as disgusting to the mainstream elements of those groups as they are to other groups. this is a strawman article cleverly designed to create shock and awe and stoke the fires of the readership. FTN’s techniques and strategies are transparent.

  24. Wanda Sheehan says

    really awfull things are happening so fast we cant begin to keep up to them. We have become the melting pot of all the liberal nuts and also the nuts from around the world who have no belief in a godly way. Obama has definitely been front and center on taking our nation down but so do all the people who blindly follow him. Scary stuff !

  25. Larry says

    It’s called sin punishable by eternal damnation in hell. If you don’t believe Gods word then it’s a moot discussion.
    I’m not judging only voicing what I believe Gods word says.
    When our nations leaders pave the way with their support for votes I fear for the future of this nation .

  26. phil62 says

    I have never wanted to kill anyone. I even hated watching North Vietnamese soldiers being killed in Nam, BUT I would not hesitate one second in killing pedophiles. ENOUGH OF YOU FOOLS IS ENOUGH!!! I would castrate a pedophile, strip them naked, tie them to a tree in the woods, cover them with honey, gag them and PROUDLY WALK AWAY. God and Jesus are GODS and it is in their nature to forgive but I am a human and these queers and pedophiles and liberal fools have gone to far. AND I AM NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT FEELS THIS WAY. So go ahead and you will pay the price.

  27. Becky says

    The outcome would be very grim indeed, but it is where the filthy Libs have been taking us since the 1960s. All I can say is when the SHTF everyone needs to have a long list of Libs handy. Then let’s start eliminating our America haters. Since they WANT no law to proscribe their behavior, let’s give it to them.

    1. Morton212 says

      That sounds like a call to arms, to me. We may have to round you up and put you in special right wing reservations. I am sure the liberals will oblige by selling you private services for everything from inoculations to policing. There will of course be no public services – at all. You can be as free as the prairie grass.

      1. Becky says

        “Call to arms” ??? You mean that thing the Libs have been doing for DECADES now? Stirring everyone up by interfering in their lives, Operation ‘Idiots’ with people crapping on police cars just MEANT to cause trouble and rioting…..Yeah, you go right ahead and blame the liberal insanity on Conservatives. It’ll work, too. But only on the terminally stupid and brain dead Libs.

        1. Morton212 says

          Are you serious ? So you are trying to tell me that you are copying what you think liberals have been doing ? LOL !!!!

  28. Oldawg70 says

    Homosexuality is a social form of cancer, and it seems that a majority of liberals embrace it. Islam is a threat to democracy and again, most liberals either condone or embrace it too. Socialism/Communism is a threat to democracy and again, liberals want to embrace it also. Obama seems to be a supporter of all three while being anti-american and anti-christian. America will cease to be America unless we make a stand and we are basically too late already. Personally I believe that HELL is coming whether we like it or not…GOD help us!

    1. Morton212 says

      We may be experiencing Hell right now – every wondered that ?

  29. Shauna says

    Pedophilia? hahahahaha.. That gauge has moved. I’m now hearing sick stories of a man and dolphin. stories of a daughter marrying her father, a woman marrying herself. *shakes head* ( not making light of the sicko’s messing with children, they should be killed), BUT, your going to hear more disgusting stories as time rolls by…Liberals are sick/mentally ill.

  30. robertleo says

    Look! One thing or many things for that matter is that God will let us do anything we want. It’s all about choice. He loves us because it’s impossible for God to hate. He is coming soon and His Word will be your judge not people. You can find out now which resurrection you will be. Read His Word and make the right choices. If you say they have been saying that for a long time, He is coming soon, you are fulfilling prophecy. Choose you this day who you will serve but for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

  31. downs1 says

    This nation is finished! I’ll say it again, this nation is finished! Oh no! This can’t happen here, this is America! Just watch! The nation has turned away from God! The Ten Commandments are systematically being removed from the public square. Christian military chaplains may no longer pray in the name of Jesus Christ for fear of courts martial! Christian holidays are “out!” The nation has turned to idols and immorality and to killing unborn babies in the name of sexual pleasure! Homosexuality is touted as a normal “alternate lifestyle” and same sex marriages are all the rage [“In Your face God!”]. It has called evil “good” and good “evil”! It has officially turned away from Israel in favor of Islam in spite of the fact that Muslims are killing Jews and Christians in Africa, the Middle East, and in Europe! The President refuses to call Islamic terrorism what it is! America is finished! I don’t say so . . . God says so! Argue with Him!

    1. Joshua says

      You have a direct line or something? If so, can you add me in the next time, I have some questions about relativity and QM.

  32. Eric Joshua Wilkinson says

    So at this point I’m going to just say that I don’t really care what either political group thinks, I make my own decisions in life and in politics based on the information given, but to still see people that believe that things like homosexuality are choices is silly to me. I consider myself a Christian, (and I assume by looking at the replies on this site, the majority of people would claim the same) and the majority of people that argue against stuff like this claim it’s considered a sin in the Bible, then claim we should life as the Bible says. I still can’t believe that most of these people truly understand what it would mean to live strictly under Biblical laws.

    For instance, polygamy is a normal thing in the Bible, seriously, just read the old testament and tell me I’m wrong. As far as pedophilia (Hebephilia to be more precise as it refers to post-puberty in general) the average age for marriage for girls in the Bible was between 12-16. And don’t get me started on what it says about rape.

    Let me be clear, I’m not going to sit here and take either side in this discussion, both sides are so bad at this point that the real danger comes from the hypocrites which can’t see the middle ground and simply do the right thing because they think it will hurt their party. In a fight like this the truth of the matter is that people are born the way they are born, but that doesn’t mean they can’t take responsibility for their actions; most serial killers have mental disorders, but we still send them to jail.

    We want to fight against our evolution and our genetics, but this leads to larger problems that we can never seem to fix because we’re to busy fighting each other over petty political bullshit like whose fault it is. I was taught not to place blame, but to figure out how to fix the damn problem.

    1. Joshua says

      Here here!

  33. Joe T says

    The govt has been hijacked by radical ideology and is spreading everyday by obama’s ways.

  34. Joe T says

    Published: 09/11/2012 at 9:53 PM (would someone describe this person as insane)

    A prominent member of Chicago’s homosexual community claims Barack Obama’s participation in the “gay” bar and bathhouse scene was so well known that many who were aware of his lifestyle were shocked when he ran for president and finally won the White House.

    “It was preposterous to the people I knew then to think Obama was going to keep his gay life secret,” said Kevin DuJan, who was a .gossip columnist in Chicago for various blogs when Obama was living in the city as a community organizer and later a state senator.

    “Nobody who knew Obama in the gay bar scene thought he could possibly be president,” said DuJan.

    DuJan, founder and editor of the Hillary Clinton-supporting website HillBuzz.org, told WND he has first-hand information from two different sources that “Obama was personally involved in the gay bar scene.”

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/claim-obama-hid-gay-life-to-become-president/#7J3uH8UdsRpUTqOy.99

    1. Morton212 says

      In April 2011, Paul Harris, writing for The Guardian, called WND Books “a niche producer of rightwing conspiracy theories, religious books and ‘family values’ tracts”.

      In other words total trash made up to fleece the pockets of right wing zealots.

      1. Joe T says

        Ghostwriter communique’
        parallel time 15.56

        Since June 5th, the Guardian had been publishing top-secret digital files provided by Edward Snowden, a former contract employee of the National Security Agency. In a series of articles, the paper revealed that the N.S.A., in the name of combatting terrorism, had monitored millions of phone calls and e-mails as well as the private deliberations of allied governments. It also revealed, again relying on Snowden’s documents, that, four years earlier, the Government Communications Headquarters (G.C.H.Q.), Britain’s counterpart to the N.S.A., had eavesdropped on the communications of other nations attending the G20 summit, in London.

        1. Morton212 says

          An interesting discussion but essentially titfortat in a rather silly way. No one in their right mind would compare the two publications together – that’s just rather silly.

    2. Morton212 says

      While the website obviously has to pay its costs somehow, advertising is done in a particularly tacky way. Advertisements for products sold through the website store are inserted into news articles as a few lines of hyper-linked text — in the same style for linking to previous articles — giving no indication that it is advertising. Ads are placed on the front page using the same fonts and formatting as article headlines, making it difficult to differentiate between advertising and news content.

      One of the best examples of this was in Nov 2011 when under the banner of “WND Exclusive” was an article titled “Obama hasn’t destroyed ‘that time of year,’ at least not yet …”; clicking on this apparent shocking headline led you to an article plugging WND Superstore’s Christmas selection.

      Banner advertising on the site falls into two broad categories: passive weight-loss techniques and survivalism-related products. Basically, advertisers think WND’s readers are fat slobs who want to lose weight without effort or paranoid nut jobs who think America is going into a second dark age and the only way to survive is to preserve your own food and generate your own power. The power generation issue is especially ironic, given that WND criticizes Google for solar-powering their premises (except for the server cluster), but flogs kits to build your own system for $100.

  35. T. VOGT says

    love how my post went poof…guess i hurt someones feelings.. sorry?? not one darn bit..

  36. Midlandr says

    The only good cure for paedophilia is termination, swift termination.

  37. Joe says

    Pc views are the death of freedom. All is not equal and we need to realize that. Some people never give they just take and then take some more without ever giving back.

  38. nick says

    The people that vote for and that think same-sex marriage is right are not stupid they are just led wrong by our corrupt government and the
    world we live in!!! And yes we do have to ask ourselves what is next?? Legalizing rape? Men beating their wives? Our government is out of control and we the people are the reason!!! Well not me, I would never vote for such things and or such evil people to run our country!!! Its the peoples fault for voting for such sick perverted things such as homosexuals being able to get married and allowing them to make out and kiss each other in public places so our kids can see it and think its alright!!! they need to stop being ignorant of whats right and wrong!! our country was built on GOD and its time we go back to the way it should be…

    1. Joshua says

      “The people that vote for and that think same-sex marriage is right are not stupid they are just led wrong by our corrupt government ”

      What about those of us who support same sex marriage along constitutional lines, but find the current government inept at best? Have we been led astray in some fashion?

  39. nick says

    This country has gotten out of hand that there is even homosexual people that call them selves pastors!!

  40. nick says

    ALL WE CAN DO IS PRAY AND VOTE THE RIGHT WAY!!!!

  41. Joshua says

    This tickles the hell out of me, it really does:

    “If we let the queers marry, soon beastiality will be legal!”

    “If them homos get rights, next thing you know those baby rapers will have rights to!”

    The above , as well as the conclusions of this article, is why law needs to be a core subject in high school. While I could give two shits about polygamy, arguments like these ignore some realities. First, there are “age of consent” laws on the books of every state I have ever examined the laws of. In order to have sex with someone legally, they must be viewed as having the capacity to consent. The current laws, as well as neuroscience, dictate that most people under the age of 18 (25 for neuroscience), are not mature enough to reap the legal consequences of engaging in certain actions. This is why you have states using the age for issuing driver licenses, and even upping the age for when an individual is considered an adult. Second, you cannot enter into any legal contract without being legally able to consent. This means that you can’t marry Petey the parakeet, or Echo the dolphin. Why? Because they cannot consent under the law. Why is it illegal to have sex with an animal in current legal context? You guessed it, they can’t consent.

    The argument that pedo or phebophilia will suddenly become legal because we are extending rights to adults in our society, rights already enjoyed by the majority, isn’t an argument worth engaging in. Such an argument ignores the legal realities of consent, realities that are nearly impossible to change given the current state of our legal system.

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