Christian Shirt Company Forced to Print Homosexual Messages


In further evidence that Christians are the last group of Americans that can still face legal discrimination, a Kentucky Human Rights Commission examiner has ordered a screen-printing company to promote homosexual messaging, despite their religious beliefs. Not only that, but he has ordered the company to undergo diversity brainwashing training for their refusal to do so earlier.

In the wake of the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby decision, many Christians thought we might be entering a new age of religious tolerance. We see it extended to Muslims, Jews, atheists, and even Satanists, so why not Christians? Well, things haven’t really worked out that way. In fact, it seems like these cases of reverse-discrimination have been on the rise lately.

As for the screen-printing company in question, they refused an order for T-shirts in 2012. The shirts were meant to promote the Lexington Gay Pride Festival, and the messaging was nothing the Christian company wanted anything to do with. A sensible American might sympathize even while disagreeing with their choice. But “freedom of expression” in this country has now become a mandate. Not only can you say whatever you want, but you must also say what other people want.

The company, Hands On Originals, insists that their refusal to print the shirts had nothing to do with gay discrimination. “It’s not like we have a sign on the front door that says ‘No Gays Allowed,'” said manager Blaine Adamson. “We’ll work with anybody. But if there’s a specific message that conflicts with my convictions, then I can’t promote that.”

His defense speaks to the fine line between discrimination and religious tolerance. It is similar to the message we’ve heard in cases like these, such as the Colorado bakery punished for not baking cakes for gay weddings. New York state farm owners were similarly penalized when they opted not to host a gay wedding on their premises.

These businesses – and this is something low-level legislators seem unable to comprehend – are not involved in discrimination. They aren’t turning gay people away at the door. To ask people of faith to go against God’s word for the sake of complying with discrimination laws is wrong. In fact, it sheds a light on the problem with these laws in general.

In a culture that is growing increasingly hostile to white, straight Americans, anti-discrimination measures have moved beyond their usefulness. A business owner should have the right to decide who they will serve and how they will serve them. If the public doesn’t like it, the free market gives them the greatest power imaginable: the power to close their wallets and take their business elsewhere. The First Amendment, furthermore, gives them the right to protest, drawing attention to what they see as injustice.

What more is needed? To legally force Christian business owners to go against their faith is a travesty, and it’s beyond the pale of the Constitution. Why do I get the feeling that if the owners of Hands On Originals were Muslim, this story would have had a different outcome?


  1. Jr1776 says

    Hope and change what a joke.

    1. BH says

      The slogan should have been “change and hope”, as in “I’m going to change the country and you had better hope you like it”. Sad, but true.

      1. Jr1776 says

        Yeah really.

      2. ihatelibs says

        Change for Dopes !!! ???

      3. Combatvet52 says

        They have to be kicked out in November all the evil that exists in our government.

    2. Tedski says

      He was saying that he hopes you change your underwear.

  2. buddman says

    When the leader of the country is a MOOOOZLUM what would you EXPECT convert or die that is Obomo’s Mantra

    1. msbets says

      EXACTLY, THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE FILTHY MUZZIE’S, All this bull is converting the USA into a filthy cesspool of immorality, no one knows the effect what homo’s and lezzie’s will have on this countries future and won’t know for a couple of decades. It will not help to pull children out of public schools to home schooling, soon that will be outlawed, we painted ourselves in a corner when this immoral,hideous, piece of inhumanity was planted in our whitehouse.

      1. jcmoore2010 says

        i’m not going to try to push “homo’s or lezzies” but I have researched death experiences and homo’s have heaven experiences and lezi’s see their family members that were deceased prior to their being born…the groups that consistently have hell experiences are the jews and occultists.

        1. Rattlerjake says

          Where do you fag-jackasses come up with this crap? You’ll say anything to justify your agenda, and sadly there are a lot of people that are too gullible or too stupid to see through your lies. You are nothing but scammers preying on the weak minded.

          1. jcmoore2010 says

            no, it was research to find out what type of experiences gays and lesbians have after death; to determine if they all burn in the lake of fire like you idiots think…or quote man shall not lie with man as woman shall not lie with womankind…as the reason for your hatred…

          2. helen sabin says

            After death – tell us how you talked to them or got the research…please??

          3. jcmoore2010 says

            near death experiences where they come back to life stupid…

          4. helen sabin says

            Ummmm when you resort to name calling that tells me you are not confident in your ‘research” and thus you resort to illogical thinking and name calling……LOL!! that says you are a phony – and so is your research.

          5. jcmoore2010 says

            Thats what you think and where does namecalling have anything to do with a stupid statement that doesnt understand the comment ——————————

          6. marshmil says

            NO jc. Cite the reference material so we can check it out ourselves. Thanks.

          7. marshmil says

            Thanks helen. I’d be interested to know too. 🙂

          8. sandraleesmith46 says

            No one has actually “gone to hell” yet, since, according to God’s timeline, it has yet to be created, and opened for business. By the SAME token, neither has anyone, save Jesus actually gone to heaven, as yet. So, it would seem your research material is based on bunk. Jesus called the “waiting area” paradise, to the thief on the cross, the OT calls it sheol. But neither heaven nor hell, until after the Rapture/Tribulation/Second Coming!

          9. jcmoore2010 says

            if you are finished preaching, remember one of your ten commandments, thout shall not judge, lest ye be judged…hmmm so jesus is at the gates of the waiting area for heavan? asking you if you want to go to heavan or hell? Until you work out your issues, you will have neither…
            I am neither a proponent of or a foe against those that are gay, if it is in their heart that they are gay, that is the way god made him/her and what right is it of anyone to persecute them for something that god made in his own image. Perhaps it is all the hate in the world that leads to hell, not forgiveness and redemption or maybe everything that we are is what god made us to be…if we try to be good, jesus is here for us, if we committ evil atrocities upon one another, then hell will await…how bout that for love and redemption.

          10. Mark Lahti says

            Pure bunk. Scientists have not discovered a homosexual “gene”. There is no evidence what so ever that homosexuallity is something you are born with. Additionally it goes against all common sense regarding the very essence of sex in all species which is procreation pure and simple. I am intentionally leaving out any reference to God or any religious aspect here. It is just an abnormallity like any other mental issue man is faced with. To take this to the logical conclusion it would be like saying a physcopath was born with a gene to make him that way and it is not his fault so we should just accept it. You people that continue to support this abnormallity as normal and acceptable are just as uninformed or delusional as the people suffering from this affliction. Nuff Said. One more thing I have to add. You seem to be doing as much preaching as you are accusing others off. If you want to take the stick out of your own eye first might be a good beginning.

          11. jcmoore2010 says

            wrong…homosexuals are individuals born with an extra xxy genome…the y is inactivated by the mother’s body…read current research and you might know something about the facts…

          12. Mark Lahti says

            Thats a lie. Read the current liturature on the subject. It is not genetical. If you are not going to be honest here then lets just let it go.

          13. jcmoore2010 says

            I have read the research…where do you think the information came from…not some kkk conservative fag hating website that you read your information from…

          14. marshmil says

            jc please cite the research so we can see it for ourselves. Thanks.

          15. bill says

            mark see my comment to jc

          16. marshmil says

            Mark that is your OPINION. How do you judge him as being dishonest?
            State it in evidence!

          17. bill says

            I do agree with you but when you tell someone to research give em a starting link

          18. marshmil says

            Agree! Good point bill.

          19. Matthew G. Zatkalik says

            @ jcmoore2010 – there again is your use of ‘research’! Is that “definition” found in any globally recognized reference book? Please give us the reference. Is that ‘research’ the same type used to prove ‘global warming’; and the same type used to prove ‘evolution? Conjecture may have many different connotations but none of them are ‘research’. Someone maintains that a lie told many times becomes the truth. Your conjectures are not there yet!

          20. marshmil says

            JC at least you’ve been looking things up. I read that somewhere too several years ago. My own point is that gender orientation is NOT something we are allowed to select. That is programmed into us before birth. Otherwise we would all be the same. A “gay” person is not someone who decided at some point to be “gay.” That same concept applies to members of the female gender. “Lesbians” are not women who at some point decided to be “lesbians.” A person’s gender orientation is not a matter of concern to me. How a person behaves and conducts her/his affairs in a civilized manner is what counts as socially acceptable in civilized society. Most “gay” guys I’ve casually known tend to be flippant when compared with “straight” guys. I prefer the company of heterosexual males.

          21. suzyshopper says

            Yeah your opinion,as for a gay person not just deciding to up and be gay, let me give u alittle example of why your wrong about that. My brother was friends with two sisters , they both liked him, but the younger one had a really strong attraction for him, she wanted too date him, he turned her down, and the next thing we knew she was dating a girl. She made that choice, also if gays are born that way, why in some states is it not allowed too counsel a gay person to try and help them become straight? Iff there born that way, why fear a therapist trying too help u with sexual orientation problems?Ill tell u why because the militant gays don’t want it too get out, that a person can be set free from homosexuality, cause then it woukd be center stage, for all the world to see, that it’s not inborn, it’s a choice !!

          22. marshmil says

            In your opinion. The “girl” was not heterosexual to begin with.

          23. suzyshopper says

            If what u say is true, where are all the news channels reporting it, u know if it was true we’d be hearing about it non stop, and u know that would be true, because the homosexuals are the darlings of the news media.

          24. Tedski says

            The stick is up his a**.

          25. marshmil says

            Statistically more are born “heterosexual” (heterogenderic) than “homosexual” (homogenderic). Hetero-or homo- is a preference for affiliation with. Sex does no have to be a part of the equation or relationship. Based on observation of behavior (not sexual) I believe more men than will confess to it actually prefer the company of men. Women are for the sex part. Women enjoy the company of other women (not sexual). The temperaments just happen to be set that way. Now there is a small exception here as elsewhere. But being homogenderic (preferring the company of members of one’s own gender) makes one “abnormal” only in the statistical sense of being in a minority. Therefore, blond, blue-eyed males are “abnormal” because they are statistically rare. But the women flock to them. Wish I were made like one of them. 🙂 People DO NOT get to select their gender orientation. It is programmed in before birth. No “gay” person ever chose to be “gay” and no “straight” person ever chose to be “straight.” We all came off the assembly line “programmed in the factory.” Advice: don’t tamper with what God
            made. Read Matthew 19:11-12.

          26. Gayla says

            marshmil ~ we are all born into sin, because we live in a fallen world, but the bible is clear, BE BORN AGAIN. God will draw everyone at some time in their lives by His Spirit, but it is up to every individual as to whether or not they accept His call, they have free will and that means it is up to each and everyone of us as to whether or not we accept God, he will do everything in His power to turn us from sin, but He will not ever force us into salvation.

          27. marshmil says

            You are preaching to a choir member. Ha. Your reply is not related to the issue discussed as a response to Mark Lahti.

          28. suzyshopper says

            U have no idea what u are talking about u are contradicting what God says in his word about homosexuality, he said it was an abomination, end of story. To get on here and try to convince real christians that God would contradict himself n his word , is just plain ludicrous .

          29. Gayla says

            Homosexuality is a Spirit , straight from Hell, that is why the scientists can’t find the gene, because there is no way of seeing a spirit, you can discern that it is there if you have the Spirit of Christ living within you. Since we live in a fallen world everyone is born into sin, and must be born again to overcome its influence on their lives. It is possible to have a familiar spirit, that is inherited from sin from our ancestors, and is passed along thru the family line, giving us the propensity to sin the other way we come into contact with this spirit is by transference from another homosexual who inflicts his spirit on an innocent victim, creating another homosexual that is why it is spreading so fast.

          30. Lynn McCrann says

            Oh yes, you are the one preaching in support of homosexuals. Where in the ten commandments does it reflect your quote: “…remember one of your ten commandments, thout shall not judge, lest ye be judged…” That can be found in Matthew 7:1-2, not in the Ten Commandments.
            Homosexuality has never been proven to be anything but a learned or nurtured behavior although some make the claim it is an inborn inclination of nature. It is not a natural act in any way for one to use the part of the body given to create a child in the womb of a woman and instead use that appendage to back door another mans body.
            “…that is the way god made him/her…! You obviously have no respect for God nor Jesus since you use lower case when addressing them. You would use God and Jesus in an attempt to support homosexuals (nothing gay about them) but God has already deemed them an abomination and Jesus did not ever make a mockery of His Fathers law.
            Christians are not judging homosexuals….simply reflecting on what God Himself judged as an abomination. Did not Jesus say to the prostitute, ‘Go and sin no more’. The same could be said of homosexuals as I see it for their acts are clearly defined by God as sins. Get it…got it….good!

          31. jcmoore2010 says

            so does it not apply? homesexuality a learned behavior, where are you getting your research…there has been nothing saying homosexuality is a nurtured or learned behavior…why would someone choose to live as a gay man or woman with such bigotry…such ludicrous statements you make…lower case has no bering on respect for god, it is what is in the heart and the mind that gives the respect for him, not upper or lower case…go get a clue and get and education.

          32. Lynn McCrann says

            Upper case is a PROPER noun or did you not learn that in school?
            Children are not born nor choose to be homosexual but often are geared toward that behavior by peers and adult homosexuals therefore the learned and nurturing statement.
            Once that deviance is established it is hard for a child or even an adult to hide from the act and therefore accept the deviance as if that is their nature.
            You speak of getting an education then perhaps you might read your own writing mistakes: spelling, leading a sentence with lower case and run-on sentences.
            I obtained my research from reading other than the Advocate or other homosexual ‘porno’ mags.

          33. Gayla says

            God created man in His image, there is no sin in God, so he did not create anyone that would go against His commandments, NEVER – EVER – NOT IN A MILLION YEARS, no matter how much you choose to go against Him, He will never change, He is the same, yesterday, today and forever.

          34. jcmoore2010 says

            If we are made in his image our lives as a person are a reflection of him ——————————

          35. suzyshopper says

            And there is no viable research too date too, prove that a homosexual is born that way, and u can bet your life on it, if it could be proven scientifically that homos are born that way, the gays and media would be shouting it from the rooftops, and we’d be hearing about non stop 24/7.You ask why would someone choose too live as a gay man or woman with such bigotry , I don’t know try asking ppl who commit adultery the same question. God considers any sex outside of marriage sin, that includes adultery fornication, homosexuality, why do u think homos should get a pass for committing sexual sins??

          36. Matthew G. Zatkalik says

            @ jcmoore2010 Moving beyond name-calling, ill-informed religious blather and just inexcusable ill-will: How long did their ‘death’ last – and whose definition of ‘death’ is used?; Is it in their ‘heart’ – what research (independent) will support that location?; And, ‘That is the way god made him/her…’ – what research (independent) will support that statement? I have drawn a conclusion different from yours – ‘I am neither a proponent of or a foe against those that are gay,’ – you ARE A proponent of … those that are gay. Most researchers will lead with their bias. Why have you failed to acknowledge yours?

          37. jcmoore2010 says

            where the soul leaves the body and is floating above…floating through the galaxy and coming to a place known as heaven…this is the experience…fight all you want…but check out the website where the information is provided, if you can find it that is. it is not my job to educate you…talk about blather…telling people they are going to go to hell on a message board when you don’t even know the person…that pretty much says it all…very judgemental and as god says your day of judgement will come as well…

          38. marshmil says

            “Thou shalt not judge” is not one of the Ten Commandments. Jesus made that comment from a practical, common sense standpoint. “Judge not that ye be not judged” is what He said. To me that means simply DON’T PASS JUDGEMENT.
            Now common sense tells us some behaviors are not acceptable. THAT is not what Jesus was referring to. We ought to pass judgement of certain unacceptable behaviors. But not pass judgement on others regarding their worth. I’ve heard the
            comment “Hate the sin but love the sinner.” Make sense?

          39. Gayla says

            jc – nobody is judging anybody, we are just trying to share the truth with you or anyone else that choses to read the posts.

          40. suzyshopper says

            That’s a lie, God would never contradict himself in his word,he condemned homosexuality, if as u say God created a person gay, then how can God,being God call for the death penalty,in the Old Testament, how can he, condemn something if he created it like u say, give me an answer, how can a just God condemn something if he created it ??Clearly u don’t know anything about the Bible or Gods mind, because u said something totally contradictory, to what he said in his word. God calls homosexuality and abomination, and that’s what it is, according too his word. Don’t try and lay the perversion of homosexuality at Gods feet, because that’s exactly what you’re doing!!

          41. mallen11 says

            John 5:24

          42. jcmoore2010 says

            why do atheists have heaven experiences?

          43. mallen11 says

            I have never heard of that before. However, I don’t base my beliefs on someone’s “experiences” but on what the Bible says except for my own experiences with God working in my life. Someone else’s experience may or may not be true.

          44. Gayla says

            JC ~ I do not believe that any atheist would ever have a experience of Heaven without turning to Christ , I believe that is the reason for the experience to begin with, I believe with all my heart that anyone who has experienced anything having to do with Christ will definitely be forever changed. Anything that comes from God , will return to God.

          45. yachty says

            I have a personal Jesus, he does my Gardening on my northern home. He is no Messiah, he is always drinking the beer in the pool house!

          46. savetheusa2 says

            The following I found at a Catholic website. It describes the final and general judgment when Jesus returns.

            At this time, the final, or general judgment will occur. Jesus said, “Those who have done right shall rise to life; the evildoers shall rise to be damned” (Jn 5:29). Our Lord described this judgment as follows: “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, escorted by all the angels of heaven, He will sit upon His royal throne and all the nations will be assembled before Him. Then He will separate them into two groups, as a shepherd separated sheep from goats” (Mt 25:31-32).

            Here each person will have to account for his conduct and the deepest secrets of his soul will come to light. How well each person has responded to the prompting of God’s grace will be made clear. Our attitude and actions toward our neighbor will reflect how well we have loved our Lord. “As often as you did it for one of My least brothers, you did it for Me” (Mt 25:41).

            Our Lord will judge us accordingly. For those who have died and already have faced the particular judgment, their judgment will stand. Those living at the time of the Second Coming will receive judgment. Those who have rejected the Lord in this life, who have sinned mortally,, who have no remorse for sin and do not seek forgiveness, will have condemned themselves to hell for all eternity. “By rejecting grace in this life, one already judges oneself, receives according to one’s works and can even condemn oneself for all eternity by rejecting the Spirit of love (Catechism, No. 678). The souls of the righteous will enter heavenly glory and enjoy the beatific vision and those who need purification will undergo it.

            Now me: Purification = Purgatory. After purification, the soul goes to heaven. Heaven, Purgatory and Hell exists RIGHT NOW!

          47. mallen11 says

            Heaven and hell exist according to the Bible but purgatory does not because it is not in the Bible. There is no purification of our soul. Once we believe in Jesus Christ as our savior we are children of God and we go straight to heaven when we die. So not to repeat myself, please read what I wrote to sandraleesmilth above.

          48. savetheusa2 says

            Just saying that you believe in Christ and say that He is our Savior is too easy. He told us to pick up our cross as well. That people will hate us as those hated Him. We live in a fallen world after the Garden of Eden and we are all sinners. If you commit a sin tomorrow, you will have that on your soul. Just saying you believe in Him doesn’t take that away. You must repent and feel remorse. Faith and salvation is a gift of God. But, if you do something wrong, you must atone for your sins. Here is an analogy. If you steal from your neighbor, it is important to say you are sorry, but you must give back what you stole from your neighbor. Every thing we say and do is recorded by God. It is important to know that if you have any lasting sin on your soul you will not go immediately to heaven. One must be PURE to go straight to heaven. Very few of us are. Catholics believe in Purgatory because that is why we pray for the souls of the dead. This has been done since the beginning of Christianity. That is why we have funerals and say Masses for our dead. They will go to heaven after they have been purified. Even Hitler would be able to eventually go to heaven, after his soul is purified, because if he was SINCERELY SORRY and God accepted that he would have a chance to go to heaven. That is why the parable of the men who worked in the fields all day were paid the same wages as those who worked for only an hour. God is generous and all merciful. Were would the cut-off be for those who either go straight to heaven or straight to hell? There is a place for souls to be purified because NO ONE who is not pure can enter heaven!!!!! I know that you are protestant and just think I am crazy. But, I am glad that Purgatory exists. Don’t wait until you meet Jesus in heaven to find this out. You will still see the affect of sins on your soul when you die. Wait for the Warning when He will show all of us where our souls will be going if we die today.

          49. mallen11 says

            For me to believe ANYTHING you wrote would be ludicrous. If you want someone to believe what you wrote, you need to provide proof from the written Word of God; the Bible. Yes, we are to serve Christ after salvation but only in the filling of the Holy Spirit or it is just plain human good. Any unbeliever can do good works. Let the Bible speak…

          50. savetheusa2 says

            Jesus Christ would not have built His Church to have it splinter into over 30,000 different Christian denominations. He came to show us the Way as well as die for us to open the gates of Heaven. The Roman Catholic Church started with Jesus Christ and He said that the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. It has been here for over 2,000 years through good times and bad times. When you keep saying the Bible is your only authority it makes me wonder why Jesus called His 12 Apostles and taught them how to act, the rituals like saying Mass, etc. Even in the Bible it says that Jesus said a whole lot more. Do you hear that? He said a lot more and the Apostles and disciples were told to spread the good news to the ends of the earth. He built a Church and gave us sacraments to anoint us with graces to help us stay on the narrow path to heaven. The Church CAME BEFORE the Bible. That is why I believe in the Holy Bible, the Magesterium of the Catholic Church (teaching part) and Traditions. When you take parts of the Bible for some proof, there are other parts of the Bible that explain more of what He said at another time. Anyone can interpret the Bible they way they want. But, there are things that we don’t understand because we didn’t live during that time. That is why I read the Catechism of the Catholic Church that ACTUALLY points to the parts of the Bible where what they are describing can be found. That is all I have to say to you. At least I don’t tell you that you are going to hell. Frankly, that is best left up to God and His son and YOU when you pass on and stand before the Son of God. I can only tell you what I firmly believe. I have no ill will toward you and there are millions of others who believe just what I believe. May God be with you!

          51. mallen11 says

            First of all I did not say you are going to hell; I did say that the RCC is responsible for sending people to hell because they don’t teach faith alone in Christ alone for salvation. I pray that you believed in Christ alone for salvation and nothing else. You don’t seem to realize that you can’t back up anything you write from the what the Bible teaches about salvation and living the Christian way of life. It is sad that you would rather live with a manmade religion than with God’s way. I have studied church history and the RCC is far more evil because religion is the devil’s ace trump and he in your side.

          52. savetheusa2 says

            I believe in Christ and His Father and the Holy Spirit. Three persons in one God. The word trinity may not be in the Bible, but Jesus told His Apostles to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit. I believe He is the Way, the Truth and the Light. I believe if we have faith in Christ this will produce good works. We are His hands and feet. After all He did say to love one another as He loved His disciples. I believe that He started the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church through St. Peter. That when there were only 11 Apostles because of Judas of Iscariot’s betrayal that through His grace they elected an Apostle (who accompanied him during His ministry) to replace Judas. I believe that telling them to go to the ends of the earth and teach all peoples what He taught them meant Jesus wanted a vehicle to gather together all the people on earth, His Church. I think that if individuals just read the Bible and come up with their own interpretations that they may as well be little popes. He didn’t want us to go astray and as we are humans He did give us great gifts like the Holy Eucharist (His Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, not cannibalism because He said to eat His Body and drink His Blood or you would have NO LIFE IN YOU!) , and other sacraments to keep us one with Him until the end of the world or our death. I believe that God is, was and will always be. That is why He said His name was I AM to Moses while He was at the burning bush. I believe in miracles because God can do ANYTHING. I believe the supernatural is more real than our life on this earth because we are meant to be in Heaven with Him eternally. I believe that Satan came into the Garden of Eden and enticed Adam and Eve to become prideful and to sin against God. That they were thrown out into our world which is a fallen world where there is evil, sorrow, tears, deformities, famines, storms, calamities, and death. I believe that through Jesus’s suffering and death on the cross that the gates of heaven were opened for us. But, I believe that one must follow His commandments (If you are His friend you will follow His commandments) and love one another, repent of your sins and Christ said we must BECOME PERFECT like His Father in heaven. You see, even Satan believes in God. So, we must take up our cross and follow Him. It will not be easy, but He showed us the way. He would never leave us alone. He said where two or more are gathered in His Name, He is there. He started the Church and it still exists. You didn’t do very good research. Read the Early Fathers of the Church! St. Augustine is a start! Watch Welcome Home on EWTN (TV) and see why people come to the Catholic Church after all their searching. God has given us this Church to guide us HOME (heaven). The Kingdom of God is NOW!

          53. mallen11 says

            You are stuck in a religion that is manmade. Where is your scripture to back up what you write? I can’t believe a manmade reigion; I can only believe what God says in His written Word. I got out of my relgious beliefs in 1972 and have studied under theology trained ministers using

          54. savetheusa2 says

            So, you are listening to MEN. Those trained ministers teaching you are MEN. They have no authority because we have over 30,000 different Christian denominations and they all believe a little differently. You will NEVER change my belief in the One, Holy, Catholic & Apostolic Church begun by Jesus Himself. I have seen a miracle and far too many things in my life that show I am on the right path. My brother-in-law converted when he went to a home where the Virgin had appeared and he smelled roses while no one else did. He turned around read the Bible and the Early Fathers of the Church and anything else he could get his hands on. The change in him is AMAZING. I am at a Church where I get to eat and drink the Blood and Body of our dear Savior. If you don’t do this, there is no life in you (according to Jesus Christ, and where many walked away from him, like you). Most Catholics come back to the Church because that is the only place they will receive the Most Blessed Eucharist (there are Eucharistic miracles on the Internet for proof). All others are just symbols that aren’t worth the grapes and bread used. Goodbye!

          55. sam says

            Exactly. Mallen has listened to MEN, has followed Luther’s lead (a MAN and not Christ’s church) into breaking up the church which Christ began , to what eventually are more than 30K differing sects and in DIRECT opposition to what Christ prayed for- unity!
            Ironic isn’t it that Mallen claims that you follow a MAN made church! All indications point to the very opposite. It’s logical that the bible would proceed from the church and not the other way around.

          56. savetheusa2 says

            Thank you for your response. May God bless you and have a nice day!

            P.S. I became tired of going back and forth with mallen11. I liked his American flag and eagle avatar. It is interesting when they tell me I am going to hell, but I’ve never seen a Catholic tell that to a Protestant. I wish mallen11 well.

          57. sam says

            You’re welcome. Mallen has a penchant for this kind of thing. He leaves when he doesn’t get his way.

          58. sam says

            How do you know for a fact that the RCC is responsible for sending people to hell?
            Where does it state “faith alone” anywhere in the bible? Did you make this up?

          59. mallen11 says

            The RCC does not teach salvation from the Word of God; only their manmade ideas of faith plus works and it can’t be both. Faith alone in Christ alone wording is not in the Bible but the following veses explain it…

          60. sam says

            You are most totally wrong. The RCC does teach from the bible about salvation.

            You still haven’t addressed my question though. How do you KNOW that the RCC is responsible for catholics going to hell? If catholics are going to hell, and that would be ALL catholics because of what the RCC teaches, how can you really know this?

            James 2:24 See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. (This is the only time the phrase “faith alone” are together)

            James 2:26 For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

            Paul made very clear in Romans 2:6-8 that good works are necessary for attaining eternal life: “For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.”

            The Bible is equally clear on the saving role of good works in the lives of the faithful.

            1 Pet 2:12 Maintain good conduct among the Gentiles, so that if they speak of you as evildoers, they may observe your good works and glorify God on the day of visitation. Rev 2:2 I know your works, your labor, and your endurance … Mt 5:16 Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father. Mt 16:27 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father’s glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct. Mt 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’

            The written Word of God is not the only source of truth. The catholic church was instituted by Christ. Christ began His church LONG before the bible came into existence. Christ is the bridegroom , His church is His Bride. The church preceded the bible. So how can the bible be the ONLY truth?

          61. mallen11 says

            You are totally wrong and I am not here to argue with you or prove that you are wrong because you won’t change my mind and I won’t change yours. I knew you would bring up the Book of James because it was written for believers AFTER salvation on how to live the Christian way of life; not for salvation. RC just don’t understand that when Jesus took all the sins of mankind on Him on the cross for the last three hours and was separated from God the Father who judged those sins He said IT IS FINISHED — the work of salvation was finished by Him and all we have to do is believe in what He did for us. I am sure you did not read the scriptures I printed so there is no reason to communicate with you. It would take a great deal of time to discuss each scripture you presented and believe me, I could but I suggest you find a Bible Doctrine teaching church and present your questions to them. I am not your teacher and I am not a minister.

          62. sam says

            The idea that you think I’m wrong without thinking of all other arguments and “I won’t change …” proves to me for one that you have no argument left, that debate is useless if you are without ammo and to dismiss so quickly means youhave no interest in trying to refute me because I am not worthy of trying your best to win me over. IF you truly think the RCC is wrong , you wouldn’t stop so abruptly. The possibility remains that either one of us can be won over by debate. Most Christian debaters do not halt their arguments so quickly . You
            have not proven your case about the RCC at all. What you have done is abuse theprivilege of truth.

            The book of James refutes the common protestant conception that works aren’t of any value, just used at most as “proof” that one believes. But you miss the point: it is much more than just proof but an actual means of grace for salvation, as Paul and James reminds us. (Which proves to me you do not understand “works, grace and merit). You bring up the RCC “just
            doesn’t understand” phrase goes against all evidence to the contrary. All the
            early church fathers understood this concept of works for centuries. It wasn’t
            until Luther that things changed when millions left it behind for a new tantalizing idea that one can breeze on to into heaven without really trying.

            I have read your biblical quotes and most attribute it to the idea that faith is all that is required. It is ONLY a beginning point. ALL early fathers understood this as well. They prove you cannot remain just in faith but advance in grace. The fact that you lift all your interpretative ideas from anti-catholic sites also shows me you are unwilling to do research from the fathers of the church. That you are most comfortable with anti-catholicism than you are with unveiling what the church fathers believed. (Judgment Day in the bible shows us what the worth of works is all about. If we to take your value of works then you would literally show NOTHING on that day).

            You cannot possibly know how you arrive at your opinion that catholics go to hell and have ignored answering me twice now. When you make irresponsible
            statements like this , you show me you are clueless about Scriptures in
            general, that you are incapable of ration debate with emotional outbursts like
            you exhibited and you know absolutely nothing about the RCC except what biased material you glean from totally unreliable sources and anti-catholic rhetoric.

            How do you really KNOW that the RCC is responsible for catholics going to hell? If catholics are going to hell, and that would be ALL catholics because of what the RCC teaches, how can you really know this? Answer: You really don’t know for a fact but you just opinionate because you believe you are doing is spreading the word of God but because you cannot properly refute the RCC , you state unsound statements without thinking it logically through.

            You site material from a “church” which began when? How come doctrines come so cheaply? Why they differ from church to church? Please question your sources mallen.

          63. mallen11 says

            I have given you plenty of information that you continue to reject so why bother? I am not here to argue with you or win you over; apparently you did not read my post. I did not read your post; only the first two sentences. I don’t have time to write hundreds of pages of doctrine for someone who is only trying to argue with me. I am 74 years of age and homeschool two teenage granddaughters and my time and energy is well spent with them; not you. I gave you references that are better than my answers but you are not interested in learning the truth but want to stay with your manmade satanic religion. So go

          64. sam says

            Still no answer to my original question?
            You remind of a child that owns all the baseball equipment but has a fit when no one plays by his rules and takes it home with him. At 74, you surprise me that you are so like this. You should be more mature in your demeanor. What makes you think YOU possess the truth, from just reading the bible ,as do millions upon millions of protestants and yet you all differ in your doctrines. What you all have in common is hatred for the RCC.
            You make me laugh that you use your granddaughters as an excuse for your time constraints but you spend SO much time here on these forums.
            You cannot refute the evidence from early fathers of the church beliefs, who were also better to judge what was required to interpret the bible than any protestant alive today. What Luther began had nothing in common with the early church. This is the same held belief that you espouse, which I assume you are passing along to your kin.
            You also made me laugh when you claim you didn’t read past the first 2 lines and yet commented on “good works” which was later on my post.
            Grow up mallen.

          65. tom bordeau says

            It is clear from your reference to good works that you do not understand this biblical concept. An unbeliever can do good works but it will not save him, for he does not possess grace. The believer , who does good works with the grace of God, it will save him.
            In Mt. 12:37, Jesus puts any thought of justification by faith alone to rest: “. . . for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

            Mt. 7:21,23 “Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. ……. And then will I declare to them, I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers”.
            Therefore, it must be assumed that works are indeed a necessary
            component of one’s faith. Too many people think that faith means giving God lip service only (“This generation honors me with their lips, while their heart is far from me”, Matthew 15:18), rather than actually doing good deeds for others. When Paul references, Romans 3:20, “Because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified before him. For by the law is the knowledge of sin”, a very clear distinction between works of the law and doing good deeds as a result of your faith.
            In the story about Judgment Day, (Matthew 25:31-46) where Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, the only questions that Jesus asks the multitude concern works: 1. Did you feed the hungry? 2. Did you clothe the naked? 3. Did you give a drink to the thirsty, etc.
            If they answered “no” to these works in Matthew 25, then Jesus said that they were going to hell. Nowhere does Jesus ask, “Did you accept me as your personal Lord and Savior?”

            Lk 6:46 “Why do you call me Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?

            2 Cor. 5:10 “ For we must all be manifested before the judgment
            seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body,
            according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil.”

            Job 34:11 He repays everyone for what they have done; he brings on
            them what their conduct deserves.
            Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory
            with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they
            have done. ( works on judgment day)

            Ephesians 6:8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for
            whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

            You sound like one who believes once saved, always saved. This is not biblical mallen.

          66. Gayla says

            Savetheusa ~ my bible , King James Version agrees with what you have written, except for one thing, the purification that you speak of is not in there, in fact it says plainly that once we die then if we are not saved by the blood of Christ we
            face the judgement, it won’t happen immediately but when the time is right, it will happen, and there is no more mercy available, once we die, our fate is sealed.

          67. savetheusa2 says

            I wouldn’t use the King James version as he changed it to fit what he thought. I would use the New Version that was interpreted from the actual Greek and Hebrew texts. The Catholic Church didn’t take some books out like Martin Luther did because he wanted people to think Sola Scripture was true, but it isn’t. The Church from the earliest prayed for the dead. Why pray for a soul that is either in heaven or in hell? They were not praying for nothing. You are right about our fate. Once we die we either go straight to heaven (not many according to Our Lady at Fatima), Purgatory (to be purged of our sins to eventually go to heaven) or hell (where souls damned THEMSELVES). This is called the particular judgment. You do no service to friends and relatives who may be languishing in Purgatory (some souls have been there for a very long time). Read about St. Padre Pio and those from Purgatory who contacted him. We say Masses for them and pray for them. We have the Communion of Saints. Those in Purgatory cannot help themselves anymore, but we can. And, when they enter into heaven, they can pray for us. It makes very much sense to me and very compassionate. I dare you to take the time to see what my faith really is all about. Get the Catechism of the Catholic Church and have a Bible with you as you read.

          68. marshmil says

            THANK YOU sandraleesmith46. You have read and studied God’s “Owners Manual.” Bless you! I’m with you. “Search the Scriptures for in them you think you have Life. And they are they (hold the information) that testify (give the evidence about) of me.” Carry on! I’ll be happy to meet you “UP” There.

          69. Gayla says

            Sandraleesmith ~ I don’t know where you got your theology from but my bible ~ King James translation which most Christians stand behind, says that Hell has enlarged its borders, meaning that is is getting bigger all the time, for the amount of people who are going there, and it also says that the angels who left their first estate ~ which is Heaven, are chained in darkness awaiting the Judgement.

          70. yachty says

            Darling, you really need some drugs to find reality! Really, you are in a sad state!

          71. marshmil says

            So obviously some researchers went and interviewed some dead people about their experiences, made notes, analyzed them and then made reports. That’s real;y great. When will it beg published. Which TV station will run this? ||| It is my understanding from reading the only source available about that “Lake of Fire” that nobody will be cast into it until after the Last Judgement which according to the Source has not year occurred. However, we might be getting closet the End. I can hardly wait to move on to the Next Life. I will be able to tell my employer to “take this job and shove it.”

          72. Tedski says

            Did they come back from the dead to let you be aware of this moronic bullcrap?.

          73. Rattlerjake says

            No one said I or others on the right hate homosexuals!! Now you are making assumptions, which makes you an ass! Christians and non-Christians on the right who are against the homosexual agenda, hate the immorality, the deviant behavior, and being forced by government to support their sin, we don’t hate the person, we pity them (and you) and those who condone it!

          74. marshmil says

            Just like the current pResident did with the low informed voters back in 2007 and 2011. Thank you Rattlerjake.

          75. Gayla says

            Rattlerjake ~ I feel so sorry for you and your kind, you are the one that is weak minded and full of hatred, Please consider the fact that you have a creator that loves you, and gave his only Son for each one of us, but there is a condition, you must realize that what you are doing is wrong, and turn from your wicked ways, humble yourself before the Lord that created you, and be saved, before the door of opportunity closes and you are doomed to an eternity in Hell, where the worm dieth not and the thirst is never quenched, Jake please take this message to heart, because it just might be the only one you will ever get, I hope and pray for your sake that you may be saved from the wrath that is to come.

          76. Rattlerjake says

            Feel sorry for yourself, considering that the only way you get an upvote is to give it to yourself!

          77. Gayla says

            Sorry Jake, I just like to see the numbers pop up, and one vote is all we get.

          78. yachty says

            Probably the only thing you have seen that Pops up for you!

          79. yachty says

            Darling, Christianity was stolen from the Egyptian Book of the Dead! There was no Jesus and if there was he sure the hell was no Messiah! You people are so crippled by a false religion! Must be hell to look forward to dying!

        2. Doris C says

          Not pushing the gay lifestyle huh?Why do you separate homos and lezies, they are one and the same.I think you need to do more researching because the little you wrote here doesnt signify anything.If in fact Jewish folk have hell experiences its understandable considering what they have been through as a persecuted people. On the other hand that makes it obvious why homos have heaven experiences because with our president they have everything their way.

          1. jcmoore2010 says

            hmmm…why do i separate, I didn’t try reading the original comment that’s why it was in quotes.

          2. marshmil says

            Doris you’re funny. I like your last sentence. Right on!

        3. Judy says

          That is all Satan’s doing. It has absolutely nothing to do with God. Sodomites will not go to heaven unless they repent of their sin.No one will go to heaven unless they repent.

          1. jcmoore2010 says

            really…and when did you become god to determine who goes to heaven and hell…and excuse me if i’m wrong, but i don’t think your name is Jesus either who died for everyone’s sin…

          2. Judy says

            Have you read the bible. It plainly tells you in order to have everlasting life you must repent of your sin. Just because Jesus died for your sin does not mean you get a free pass to sin. He also tells you to obey God’s laws. And God plainly tells you that sodomy is a sin.

          3. jcmoore2010 says

            however, if jesus died for our sins, do we not receive repentance from his grace? if you read the bible and think god spoke 2000 pages to each of the individuals who wrote it, you might have a screw lose…god doesn’t speak to us if he does you have a disorder that needs to be diagnosed, the bible was put together in the 15 century by bishops at the vatican, and there were books that were left out. Oh, by the way, nostics and atheists have heaven experiences as well…

          4. Judy says

            You are simply too stupid to argue with. Like I said you do not get a free pass to sin but you go right on believing you do.

          5. Mark Lahti says

            Judy just let him go. He can’t be honest with the facts or the theology. He is just another troll trying to amuse himself for his morning with nothing better to do until football comes on at Noon.

          6. Judy says

            Thank you.. your are correct. I know I shouldn’t get angry when I can’t make people see the truth but I do. One more thing to ask God’s forgiveness for.

          7. mallen11 says

            No the Bible says we are to believe by faith alone in Christ alone for salvation. Unless you mean by “repent” means “change of mind towards Christ” because that is what it means in the NT. No one can pray to God before salvation so we can only accept Him as our savior and all our past sins are forgiven.
            (John 1:11-13, 3:16, 5:24, 10:28-30, 14:6; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:23-26, 5:8, 6:23, Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 7:24-25; I Peter 1:18-19, I John 5:11-13)

          8. Judy says

            Repent means to give up the practice of sin or to turn away from sin. There is no sacrifice for willful sin after you have knowledge of the truth. Hebrews. 10: 26-29

          9. sandraleesmith46 says

            God doesn’t even do that: He simply set the rules, and the penalties for not following them, then the ball is in each individual’s court! Each , by free will CHOICES, determines his OWN destination. Follow the path of practicing homosexual perversion, there can only be 1 destination. No one, including, indeed most especially God, MAKES anyone choose that path, or any of the other paths leading to that destination. However, you, and those like you, spreading the “I’m okay, you’re okay” deceit sas “truth” DO contribute to others persisting in following such deadly paths. The TRUTH is God said DON’T do it; that should be sufficient. But He went further and declared it an abomination; 1 of few things to which He attached that label. If you care about your own, and your fellows’ futures, stop peddling that lie, and love yourself and them enough to tell the truth: eternal death and hell are the only end to that CHOICE; turn away from it, repent of it, and ask forgiveness and redemption of Jesus, and keep on repenting, staying turned away from it; Jesus will help, if you ask J
            Him to do so.

          10. Mark Lahti says

            Very good reply. Your said it right on the money. I’m in your court sandralee.

          11. Tedski says

            People must remember one important thing. This is Gods game, Gods Rules and Gods Ball. If you don’t play by his rules you will lose, period. No extra innings.

          12. suzyshopper says

            Do u have any concept of what the Bible says,it says except u repent u wil be thrown in the lake of fire,prepared for the devil and his angels . God determines who gets into heaven, and he states any who commit sexual sin, without repentance will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, so God already determined no repentance no heaven, we christians are just agreeing with him. U can say whatever u want, but your opinion does not superceed Gods law. God say all sex outside the perimeters of marriage is sin,unrepentant sin sends u too hell. That’s not christians judgement it’s Gods.You just don’t like it .But u can’t change what God says,and substitute your opinion for his, sorry it doesn’t work that way!!

        4. helen sabin says

          You have researched? Oh PLEASE post your research here.

        5. marshmil says

          jcmoore2010 where did you find that? Comes across to me as Aryan racist junk ideology supported by Adolf Hitler in his Nazi regime. We can accept the possibility that occultists have mental disturbances and personality disorders and the possibility that some Jews might be found in that category along with Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Hindus, Shintos, atheists, Democrats, Republicans, Britts, blacks, whites, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Russians, Canadians, New Zealanders, Australians, Africans, etc., etc., etc.. Case dismissed

        6. yachty says

          Interesting, since Jews do not believe in Hell! I am Jewish, I dream of my boat and
          my house in the BVI’s! The season Starts next month and I cannot wait! First the Halloween Party in Salem and then Thanksgiving in the Islands! My favorite is when we host our annual Passover/Easter Croquette Party on Easter Sunday! Last year we had people passed out all over the yard, spa, living room and bedrooms! My mother fly’s in for that one, it really is a blast! We also do the Antigua Race Week and the St Barth’s Bucket Race, as well as other race weeks.

          1. suzyshopper says

            We feel sorrow for those on here who ridicule our God and his children,u are oblivious to the danger that u will be facing on your deathbed, laugh all u want but we know,that God says he will not be mocked, u will reap what u sow.Im only glad that us christians won’t be around when u pass over into death, because if your wrong, u will have all eternity, too remember what u replied too us christians on this forum.U will have all eternity too remember the many chances u had too repent but didn’t. Really sad.

          2. yachty says

            I feel sorry for you and your ilk! Jesus never existed, nor would have he qualified as the Messiah! You poor dear and your false religion!

            The Jewish tradition of “The Messiah” has its foundation in numerous biblical references, and understands “The Messiah” to be a human being – without any overtone of deity or divinity – who will bring about certain changes in the world and fulfill certain criteria before he can be acknowledged as “The Messiah”.

            First of all, he must be Jewish – “…you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you.” (Deuteronomy 17:15)

            He must be a member of the tribe of Judah – “The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet…” (Genesis 49:10)

            To be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.

            He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son – “And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever…” (2 Samuel 7:12 – 13)

            The genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. One of the genealogies is through Nathan and not Solomon altogether!

            He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -“And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” (Isaiah 11:12)

            Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus?

            He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem – “…and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them..” (Ezekiel 37:26 – 27)

            At last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was DESTROYED! Just the opposite of this prophecy!

            He will rule at a time of world-wide peace – “…they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.” (Micah 4:3)

            Have you seen a newspaper lately? Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?

            He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments – “My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes.” (Ezekiel 37:24)

            The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.

            He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d – “And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd” (Isaiah 66:23)

            there are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold.

            All of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekiel Chapter 37 verses 24-28:

            And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. they shall also follow My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Yaakov my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt and they shall dwell there, they and their children, and their children’s children forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever. Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, which I will give them; and I will multiply them and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore. And my tabernacle shall be with them: and I will be their G-d and they will be my people. Then the nations shall know that I am the L-rd who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary will be in the midst of them forevermore.

            If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be “The Messiah.” A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that to date, no one has fulfilled every condition.

            Certainly NOT Jesus.

      2. Rattlerjake says

        We absolutely KNOW the affect that Homos will have on America, because it is happening right before your eyes.

        1. msbets says


          1. Rattlerjake says

            It has nothing to do with them raising enough children. It has to do with OUR children and us being FORCED to accept these deviants. And you SHOULD BE very concerned about the effect on children of the future because those that are indoctrinated now will affect those in the future. The whole reason that all of this homoshit is being taught in public schools is because young minds are easily molded, and once learned it is difficult to UN-learn it!

          2. mallen11 says

            If children are taught in their home the right way to think they will not be turned away and if they do they will return to the truth…
            Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old (mature), he will not depart from it.

          3. Angry American says

            Most children are liberal when they are young, but when they get older a lot of them see the light & turn conservative, once they have to start footing the bills

          4. mallen11 says

            Yes, so many do. We still have hope for our country.

          5. says

            Unfortunately, this does not always happen … the colleges’ liberal professors have tremendous influence after they leave your home. Too many continue to think of their parents as not so smart and stay with their collegiate liberal views. That’s one reason there are so many liberals today…and I am seeing a lot of senior citizens with O stickers on their cars….and at the polls proud they are voting with the Dems.

          6. mallen11 says

            I once lived in an “Adult only” community and was shocked at the number of seniors who were not conservative.

          7. DaveM says

            Excellent point!

          8. Gayla says

            You are soooo right about the liberal professors, my granddaughter just graduated from college. She went in as a good Chrisitan girl, SHE CAME OUT WITH A LESBIAN GIRLFRIEND, AFTER DUMPING A WONDERFUL YOUNG MAN, IT MAKES ME SICK TO THINK ABOUT IT. Thanks for letting me share my feelings. God Bless you.

          9. says

            Soooo sorry this has happened to your granddaughter.. .. also happened to my great niece. I wish our churches would get real and teach apologetics to all their youth. If you aren’t aware of apologetics, look it up online with Alex McFarlane, or Frank Turkel. They will lead you to other excellent apologists. Maybe your granddaughter would read a book by one of them. God help us…He is our only hope.

          10. hepette . says

            how can you blame professors????????????didnYOU help raise her>?????????????

          11. DaveM says

            Point made….it is a fact…people select and make choices! Where were the hinge points of her decisions?

          12. ted j says

            the youth of today are being destroyed by socialist professors… who hate God and what America stands for…..they, being young, are deceived by those atheists who are infiltrating our schools.

          13. marihia says


          14. hepette . says

            OMG you mean you have atheists in your christian school?????????CAN YOU PROVE IT FACTUALLY—-NO YOU CANNOT. ITS JUST YOUR LOUSY OPIION WHICH I DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT

          15. ted j says

            i did not say in Christian schools…. i was talking about our public schools, but fools like you probably don’t care about them either…

          16. hepette . says


          17. LastGasp says

            Better than being an unloved, ugly, ignorant troll like you.

          18. LastGasp says

            Better than being an unloved, ugly, ignorant pos like you.

          19. LastGasp says

            Go back to your street corner.

          20. marihia says


          21. hepette . says


          22. marihia says


          23. LastGasp says

            Using texting shortcuts? You’re not as old as you said, are you hepatitus? Well, that explains your total ignorance.

          24. yachty says

            How old are you? Commies, really?

          25. DaveM says

            Sorry about your daughter but remember…we can only bend the twig…shame you will not have any genetic grandchildren!

          26. marshmil says

            That is absolutely correct. Thanks for posting a sane, mature, civilized comment.
            Liberals would have NO CLUE as to what you said.

          27. Vern Davis says

            But a large amount of them stay stupid for a long time.

          28. hepette . says

            like yourself??????????????????

          29. Vern Davis says

            I only wish I was stupid, then I wouldn’t be so worried about what the Muslim in the White House is doing to this great country. Your handle tell us that you do need help-ette, but you free loaders don’t like us bad mouthing your hero, but I bet if you really loved this country you would wake up to what is happening because of Obama and the Democrats.

          30. hepette . says

            you are an idiot—-first of all he is NOT A MUSLIM YOU OLD FAT WHITE FOOL.. what exactly is happening?????????????? so glad i dont “love” the country like you do.

          31. Vern Davis says

            I guess you haven’t learned to read. I sent you the proof that Obama was born in Kenya, but you Liberals have so much Obama muck in your brain you can’t believe the truth.
            Dear hep, get someone to read this for you since you seem to be illiterate and have trouble with the truth. And you guessed wrong I am not white, and I can tell you don’t love this country like any true American.

            Nairobi| The Office of the Principal Register of the Nyanza Province, in Kenya, has finally released 11 exclusive documents concerning Barack Obama’s alleged birth and early childhood in the country. These official papers had been requested for years by the Tea Party Patriots, an American conservative organization, to no avail, but the Kenyan Supreme Court recently ordered authorities to release the documents, based on a law on “access to information. These files, if they turn out to be verifiable, could mean that Mr. Obama had no legal right to become the American president under the country’s law.

            The papers released today suggest that Barack Obama was actually born on March 7 1960, in Lamu, Kenya, more than a year before his father moved to Hawaii, where he allegedly met his mother. This contradicts most of the documents presented by the presidential office over the last years, suggesting that the American papers are actually fakes.
            Have a nice day hepette!

          32. marshmil says

            hepette you just gave away your political correctness. Run along with your
            socialist politicos soaked in Saul Alinsky marinade. And when the nation
            becomes like Nazi Germany you have yourself to blame.

          33. hepette . says

            repuke baggers are the ones tht use nazi idealism. get a clue and think of something original not the same old fux news talking points

          34. LastGasp says

            Time to take a nap little girl. Don’t let mommy catch you playing with her pc.

          35. hepette . says

            my mom has long been dead so keep her out of your filthy mouth

          36. DaveM says

            Who are them?
            non caring parents….yes
            Obama voters…..OH YEAH!

          37. hepette . says


          38. marshmil says

            Yes he does hepette. They are all over the news since six years ago. Our Muslim-in-Chief is now the laughing stock of the world. He has zero qualifications to handle the job he was put into by the low informed. May God help America.

          39. hepette . says

            lmao where are the refs you old buffoon

          40. DaveM says

            I was younger and I was not liberal! I desired to change things but did so correctly…look at my generation….computers, microcircuits, man on the moon…etc! To accept youth are liberals is preposterous! Even WWII was fought by youth and the USA still survives! I would suggest you change your viewpoint and look deeper!

          41. tinkerunique says

            Anybody REALLY looked at the government-mandated “Common Core” ? = SEX-ED at 4th grade level and “how-to” in high school = fits with government-mandated 0-care on abortions and such. We NEED to get the Dumocraps out of majority CONTROL and get this once-great nation back on track.

          42. Matthew G. Zatkalik says

            I was reminded of an old use of -body words: everybody, somebody, anybody and nobody. Whereas everybody could have, really anybody might have and surely somebody would but, in reality, it was done by nobody. Looking at the government what else would “We the People” expect? Fact is, “We the People” have a grossly ineffectual puppet in the White House. “We the People” therefore have no clue who has their hand inside this vacuous leader animating him. “We the People” possess a bobble head instead of a President. “We the People” have a bobble head for a Commander-in-Chief. Whatever characteristic used to label this puppet/Muppet only describes the ‘costume’ of the individual or group that is dressing him up for his momentary performance. “We the People, in my opinion, need to impeach him, imprison him, place term-limits on career politicians, reduce their perks and pensions and finally, vote in numbers greater than those who want government subsidies instead of opportunities for self-advancement.

          43. Michael Dennewitz says

            Then, with all that WE THE PEOPLE are aware of and can rightly prove, WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO MARCH INTO THE BIG HOUSE AND ESCORT HIS SORRY ASS OUT!!! Wake up America!!!!

          44. Yadja says

            Oh if only. Sigh………………..

          45. mallen11 says

            I agree but when, how and who of We the People will do it?

          46. DaveM says


          47. mallen11 says

            Who will lead? How in the world will people in this country get together in the cities and in the suburbs where people are so divisive they will kill each other instead of the enemy. Our only hope is for enough people to turn back to God, learn His ways from His written Word and apply it to their lives; not religion. Then our country will be cleansed from most of the evil that is squeezing us to death. Those who trust God are not cowards because it isn’t easy to rely on God unless one knows what the Bible says. We shall see next month how many people have turned back to God whether we take the Senate back and retain the House. The right kind of people who vote for conservatives means we will have good leaders. Yes, we need to protect our families, homes our loved ones but this administration will be stronger along with the muslims — they are ready; we are not. You may shoot one or a few but you will lose your life and your family. I pray that you know Christ as your savior.

          48. phil62 says

            Someone with a voice of reason amidst all of this insanity. Well written and very truthful.

          49. Ken says

            All the Word of God is Spirit, you must have that Spirit (which is CHRIST IN YOU A HOPE OF GLORY) to understand His Holy Word. Fear nothing but the Lord (which leads to Wisdom), Put all your Trust in the Lord and He will never let you down. I welcome to do the will of My Father and Believe in His Son, even if it leads to my Death. For i know i and many more will Live forevermore in the Kingdom of OUR GOD. Praise Their Holy Names.

          50. mallen11 says

            Ken, that is a great testimony. Thank you for sharing. All believers need to be aware of the Glory of the Lord and His preservation of us no matter what happens here on earth and no fear after passing from death to eternity.
            Psalm 37:4 I sought the LORD, and He answered me, and delivered me from all my fears.
            II Tim 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and discipline.
            Heb 4:12 For the word of God is alive and powerful sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

          51. Yadja says

            A drone over the WH could take care of business.

          52. Ken says

            Shortly the Manifestion of the Sons of God (will do Exploits) will happen. These Evil people will be tormented for 3 and a half years. Then all Evil will be destroyed in one day. Time to get right with the only True Living God that is the Creator of All. Praise their Holy Names.

          53. Paula says

            But Matthew he’s done what he said he was going to do… Fundamentally transform the United States of America! He’s not a leader, he’s a Community Organizer.

            I totally agree with what you know we should have… term limits. Yes. Let them pay for their own perks. Their pensions shouldn’t be any more than what Social Security pays out.

            Yes we need ALL of us to vote! But it’s not the popular vote that elects a president, it’s the Electoral College…which I think should be the popular vote! Let the people choose!

          54. marshmil says

            But how do we wake up the low-informed who put this crap in place? Sometimes I think some people should not vote. Maybe we have here the same kind of mindset that put Hitler in power.

          55. Vern Davis says

            That is one of the reasons the Dems are against Voters ID, they know a lot of the folks that vote for them are not informed to the truth, and will vote for the hand that gives them all the freebies, and tells the best lies. Probably the only way to wake them up is a month long visit to China, or Cuba, or in some cases Africa.

          56. hepette . says

            how are they trying to destroy it????????????FACTS NOT YOUR STUPID OPINION PLS

          57. DaveM says

            Only liberal judges have struck down voter ID….Your fats and stop screaming….excellent material for the secret service…just my opinion!~

          58. taliesin319 says

            Once they capture a few bobble headed bimbos out on there own with
            their weak metrosexual purse carrying boyfriends and end up a headless
            troop of uninformed clowns Maybe of the low infos with half a brain will finally tell those with no brains that playing nice gets one killed.

          59. Paula says

            These are communist tactics…..

            Lenin’s Decalogue “Manual to Seize Control of a Society” which he used in the 1917 Russian Re-Revolution (The October Surprise) usurping control from the original Russian Revolution which occurred earlier in the spring of that year.

            1. Corrupt the youth and give them absolute sexual freedom.

            2. Infiltrate and take control of the mass communication media.

            3. Divide the population into antagonist groups; encourage arguments between them over social issues.

            4. Destroy the people’s confidence in their leaders.

            5. Talk all the time bout democracy and republic, but when the opportunity arises, seize power as a dictator.

            6. Cooperate with the drainage of public funds; discrediting the image of the country, especially overseas, and create panics within the
            population through the launching of an inflationary process.

            7. Encourage strikes, even if they are illegal, in the country’s key industries.

            8. Promote riots while conspire to prevent intervention by law enforcement.

            9. Cooperate actively in destroying the moral foundations of society and honesty and trust in the government’s promises. Infiltrate other parties with your own people, forcing them to vote for what is useful to your own party’s interest.

            10. Register everyone who has firearms, in order to confiscate them when the time comes, preventing them form opposing your revolution.

            Sounds familar, doesn’t it?

          60. Michael Dennewitz says

            Our only hope is……………………………………….AN EXPERT SNIPER !! :-))

          61. Paula says

            I’m paranoid about death threats towards him, the wookie and the rest of them online… but I will smile and nod my head!

          62. mallen11 says

            No, our only hope is God. An expert sniper will make him a martyr and we will have to live with his name all over our streets, buildings, airports, schools, etc. and would not solve our problems. When people are will to put God first in this country, then our problems will be solved because God will bless us again.

          63. alaskat says

            Truer words were never spoken, mallen11. Unfortunately, God has become irrelevant in the eyes of most people nowadays. They are in for a very rude awakening.

          64. Mark Clemens says

            If y’all are going to snuff politicians. Please respect our Second Amendment Right. Use a Bow and Arrow. It’s quite, nobody will know were it came from.

          65. slotiac32 says

            I guess you mean “quite quiet.”

          66. Mark Clemens says

            That’s what I said……….
            Thanks for the grammar lesson.

          67. hepette . says

            maybe i should email your comment to the secret service.

          68. DaveM says

            Maybe you should pull your head out of the sand and realize you are probably part of the problem! I have no like for people who say things that hurt others! You are definitely in need of education and a backbone! (my personal opinion)

          69. hepette . says

            omg then you must not be behind all of obama trashers right? lmao
            what makes you think i give a dam about what you like and dont like???????????? are you hurting now?

          70. DaveM says

            I hurt only when I have a bowel movement which seems to remind me of someone (maybe you)…I bet you do not have any friends due to you poor attitude and lousy expressions! What a shame…a total waste of two gametes!

          71. hepette . says


          72. DaveM says

            I here you have a twin! Congratulations on a successful bowel movement!

          73. hepette . says


          74. DaveM says

            Hard time spelling? Maybe you are constipated with stupidity!

          75. LastGasp says

            Snitch troll,,,,it doesn’t get any worse than that.

          76. hepette . says


          77. LastGasp says

            This is America, you commie jerk. Ever heard of the 1st Amendment? So, are you the snitch that has been ratting out fellow Americans? You deserve nothing but a traitor’s reward.

            What has America come to when jerks like you can blackmail common people for speaking their mind?

          78. jcmoore2010 says

            everyone knows the democrats are trying to create a communist state, that is why i am so against the democratic party this election…

          79. Mark Clemens says

            In my observation of our domestic political climate. Mainly MONEY=SPEECH, all the corporations buying politicians. I think they are using the Communist Manifesto as a blue print to dismantle our present government. Corporations don’t spend the money they do, and expect nothing in return. I think they are shooting for a Cooperate Style of government.

          80. Paula says

            Michael Medved says In obama’s left-wing ideology, he thinks after America’s fall he and his left-wing comrades will be building a new and better U.S.A. Where real Americans see destruction and the end of everything, the leftists see a re-birth to a better and, in their eyes, more moral America. He and his left-wing friends see the U.S. as a Phoenix rising from the ashes of the bad old days.

          81. slotiac32 says

            In their eyes, a more moral America?-don’t make me laugh; they are the most corrupt, immoral machine since the days of Hitler and Stalin! WAKE UP!

          82. Paula says

            If you are telling me to wake up…I’ve been awake since 2008. But yes, they are corrupt, they are immoral and all the other adjectives we can throw at them. BUT they, in their commie minds, don’t think they are. They want “what’s good for us” whether it kills us or not!

          83. hepette . says

            and just how r they doing tht?????????facts—not your lousy opinion

          84. DaveM says

            Challenge well there hepette! Now instead of talking where are your facts? (I know….liberals do not need facts…just my opinion on a free speech sight!)

          85. Paula says

            Facts? They don’t need no stinkin facts! The are loyal obama sycophants which means they only know “the parties” facts!

          86. hepette . says

            i asked you!!!!!!!either produce facts or stfu

          87. LastGasp says

            I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.

          88. hepette . says


          89. LastGasp says

            Oh Baby, I like it when you talk dirty.

          90. Paula says

            Anyone in their right mind would know that communism doesn’t work! One big clue would be the Russians kicked it out and they “invented” it.

          91. Mark Clemens says

            Communism was thought up by a German Dude, named Karl Marx. China has a thriving communists economy.
            The difference between the Russian failure and Chinese success is, we didn’t ship our economy over to Russia in the 1950, 60, 70, 80s. Like we are doing today for cheap goods. Communism is alive and prospering in the Far East. I bet you know someone who’s job got shipped over there. ……..

          92. slotiac32 says

            Not necessarily true; China has huge problems; their stock market has been down, down, down for years now. Pollution, labor strife and other problems exist in China. Not a good idea to glamorize the place; Chinese are moving here and buying property and US businesses as fast as they possibly can.

          93. Mark Clemens says

            What I said is true. We have sent a huge chunk of our economy to China, because Big Biz is to cheap to pay an American $7.50 or more an hour. I don’t think we sent many jobs to Russia. Keep in mind why China has pollution, because they didn’t have a EPA. Those companies will mess up China’s environment. Look how slushy the Russian Winter Olympics was………

          94. Wayne says

            VOTE… Republican/ Conservative….ANYTHING BUT DEMOCRAP!!!

          95. hepette . says

            Destroy the people’s confidence in their leaders. ahhahahhh tht is what repuke/baggers do every single dAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          96. DaveM says

            Really? Where are your facts of Obama being a “Great” leader (please do not include your government checks, phones, food stamps, and absence of work habits) ….just my opinion!

          97. hepette . says

            yeah its too bad you cant state anything original besides fux news talking points i dont have fs, free phone and i am retired so go suck on a lemon–it suits your personality. i get a govt check cause i WORKED for the govt —what a fool you are

          98. DaveM says

            It is a shame to be a hateful old woman! You act like you are the only one who counts. I got news…go flush yourself with your buddies (if you have any whichsincerely doubt) and pull the handle on the toilet! Such a waste of life you are! Such a collection of gems which you have thrown away! You stfu hag!

          99. hepette . says


          100. DaveM says

            Careful hepatitis, you will stain a neuron! I see by your statement you are into yoga. Interesting…I guess you have a rectal cranial inversion too! Oh…do you stand up when you pee? Just testing the level of testosterone (My opinion)

          101. hepette . says


          102. LastGasp says

            worthless pos.

          103. DaveM says

            Just like your life and your words…!

          104. LastGasp says

            Commie puppet.

          105. LastGasp says

            Hey, you don’t want to flush old hepatitus, she’s our favorite turd.

          106. hepette . says


          107. LastGasp says

            Shameful troll.

          108. DaveM says

            Better than being an insult to the human race!

          109. DaveM says

            Only a fool knows a fool!

          110. hepette . says


          111. LastGasp says

            Stupid old troll.

          112. DaveM says

            Do not worry…you have already proved that!

          113. Mark Clemens says

            Obama and Bush jr sucked!

          114. Paula says

            Yippy a troll is here… took you a while. You got real class there boy. If you are female, you are one sorry biotch!

          115. hepette . says


          116. Paula says

            LOL go trade your food stamps in for booze and go walk on the freeway TROLL

          117. DaveM says

            Still undergoing menopausal?

          118. hepette . says

            thats not even a sentence you fool

          119. LastGasp says

            In her case it’s mentalpause.

          120. rosieb47 says

            I agree it’s a horrible, disheartening subject. I’m surprised that KY took such a hard line on homosexuals. I don’t think it’s right to make anyone, company/private, act on anything they abhor. Like printing those t-shirts for a gay pride parade. If the company’s religion is against homos, then that should automatically ban them for doing anything to oblige the company. I can’t figure out how the gays are getting so much attention. You’d think they would be ashamed for being so deviant. If I were they, I would go back in the closet.

          121. hepette . says


          122. LastGasp says

            Your ugliness outside shines like a searchlight.

          123. LastGasp says

            She’s just a lonely old lady that no one loves or even likes. She takes it out on people she thinks ruined her life. In reality, she ruined her own life with her shitty attitude and willful ignorance. She never has anything nice to say to anyone.

          124. Paula says

            Thank you for your insight. What a sad life she has! Pathetic. Hard to feel sorry for someone so hateful.

          125. slotiac32 says

            The evidence of our failed “leaders” is staring you in the face, dumbazz!

          126. Yadja says

            Yes and the problem is that this is not taught in Public Schools anymore nor is the Holocaust.

          127. mallen11 says

            I totally agree with you but the only way we are going change our once great nation back on track is for people to turn back to God, learn His ways from His written Word and apply them to their lives. When more people do this, God will bless our Nation again with good leaders. Good leaders come from the good voting public. We will see next month if enough people have turned back to God to see if we will gain the Senate and keep the House.

          128. Vern Davis says

            What really is so bad is there are a lot of folks, (even dead ones) that think the Democrats are good for America. And the Progressive Liberals are downright
            trying to destroy this great Nation. They come up with crap even Putin wouldn’t put on the Russians. Not sure where all these wackos are coming from.

          129. DaveM says


          130. Michael Dennewitz says

            Ahhh Mallen, but they’re trying to eliminate home teaching now. They KNOW there sicko propaganda can’t get across to “Home Taught!”

          131. tinkerunique says

            That is the purpose of “Common Core”, government program ( like 0’bummer-care). CC has sex-ed at the 4th grade level and “How-To” in High School which fits in with 0’care where the government-mandates that there are free abortions and such.

          132. AttMore says


          133. marshmil says

            Amen. Unfortunately during the past few decades we’ve spawned an irresponsible mindset of “I got my rights, if it feels good then do it.” Free sex filled the population with individuals who grew up without proper parental supervision and standards of civility. Why are so many jobless? Go figure! There are more standing in line for jobs than there are jobs available. It doesn’t take a statistician’s mind or doctoral degree in demographics to see the obvious! Then we add this nut cake in the white house who leaves the door open and welcomes more non-productive, unskilled freeloaders in to further drain the economy. Thanks to the low-informed pie-in-the-sky dreamers who supported this administration we are now in the mess we have.

          134. tinkerunique says

            “If I can get it free, I’ll vote for it”. That is why 0’bummer said that only 1/2 the hispanic’s voted last election and ALL of them need to vote NOW. They can’t see it’s a simple CONTROL issue.

          135. hepette . says


          136. DaveM says

            stop shouting! you are making an a$$ of yourself….then again (just my opinion)

          137. marshmil says

            Go ahead, support the Marxist-Alinsky agenda. Or do you know what that means?

          138. hepette . says

            i dont pay attention to fux news bs

          139. mallen11 says

            Good points, keep making them…

          140. ted j says

            sounds like a good idea, however, the libturds will not allow you to teach anything that is contrary to their program of destroying a Christian America…as long as the Christians allow the dems. and socialists that are running our country now, to continue, there is little hope… unless Jesus calls us home..and we are very close to that time…

          141. mallen11 says

            Yes, but we can continue to learn His written Word and pray and help as many as possible to find the Lord as their savior and for believers to grow in grace and knowledge through His Word. The Lord may return soon but if He doesn’t, then we need to be prepared for any crisis that may come our way so we don’t fall apart. We have our guns for physical protection of our homes but we also need spiritual protection that God provides and know how to ask for help and then rely on Him through the knowledge of His Word and His promises. Too many churches are not teaching the Bible but have opted for teaching humanism, socialism, emotionalism and even communism along with the social gospel. Christians have no idea who and what God is and the knowledge of the gospel. Thank you for your thoughts and knowing someone else who loves the Lord.
            Lamentations 3:21-25This I recall to my mind, therefore I have hope. The LORD’S loving kindnesses indeed never cease, For His compassion’s never fail. They are renewed every morning; great is Thy faithfulness. “The LORD is my portion,” says my soul, “Therefore I have confidence in Him.” The LORD is good to those who wait for Him, to the person who seeks Him.
            Romans 4:21 and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

          142. ted j says

            i believe our responsibility is to keep telling as many others as we can…his word will not return void..we need the church to start praying for the nation… and telling the people to vote for candidates with moral clarity, who love God and will not support abortion or homosexual relationships… .mallen11… this next election will tell us just how far the people are from God by who they vote for…many people vote for a person without finding out their positions on those important matters…..that is why we have a muslim socialist in office now…

          143. BeholdHim says

            Parents: Common Core has infiltrated into our public schools. For goodness sake! Homeschool your children!!!!!!!

          144. mallen11 says

            I agree, we homeschool.

          145. Angry American says

            That is another trick from the left along with the health care take over, they have really moved forward with the current occupier of the white house. Until they loose control of both houses of the congress they will now chip away at it. It was a good thing that the gop had enough votes to get much shot down, I shudder at the thought of them ever controlling both houses of congress ever again as this time it will be too late for us to do anything short of revolt

          146. marshmil says

            The Constitution provides for We the People to exercise our Right provided in Amendment X. Read it folks. We should ALL carry a pocket size printout of the US Constitution. These are available and not expensive. You don’t have to have a degree in Constitutional Law to understand it. The Founders wrote it simply and straight forward. Thank God for those guys back then. They were geniuses.

          147. Oregonian1966 says

            You forgot about the 27 amendments to reflect omissions in the original document and changing times.

          148. says

            Our Founders were God-fearing and they were blessed by God to lead this nation. I am a retired history/government teacher who taught the truth despite the objectives in my curriculum. I now teach Marines in a skills renewal class, and before they leave my class, I give everyone of them a copy of the Constitution and a message from my heart that they are a gift to those of us who cherish freedom. I tell them if they are willing to give their lives to “defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic…” that they should know what the Constitution says. Today’s Common Core in social studies teaches outright inaccuracies and they don’t begin US history until the Progressive Era in the 1880’s. My hat is off to homeschoolers!!! Our government is ushering in an indoctrination of propaganda to suit their agenda.

          149. fearlessolotraveler says

            Rattlerjake: You’re absolutely right! Our children and grandchildren are in real danger! Hitler went after Germany’s children and this government is doing the same thing! Read what political monsters centuries ago have said: “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”–Vladimir Lenin, Russia’s first Communist leader.
            And how about THIS one: “We must remove the children from the crude influence of their families. We must take them over and, to speak frankly, nationalize them. From the first days of their lives they will be under the healthy influence of Communist children’s nurseries and schools. There they will grow up to be real Communists.”–Communist Party Education Workers Congress.

          150. Angry American says

            The good thing here is I have never heard of anyone getting pregnant with spit (saliva) or by having their butts packed lol fudge packing to quote someone I know uses that one

          151. msbets says


          152. yachty says

            Actually, my Husband and I went with a Surrogate! We used his sperm and then mine…two boys from the same surrogate and from the same egg donor. We spent $100k, but really well worth it! We have a Manny for them and it works out wonderfully.

          153. marihia says


          154. yachty says

            We are two very cute guys, with super cute boys! A many is a male Nanny! Come on Grandma get with the times!

          155. marihia says


          156. marshmil says

            All that is filthy to me. Just my personal non-preference. In other words, I don’t get into that kind of stuff. YUK!

          157. Michael Dennewitz says

            I was raised calling them “QUEERS!” Queer, meaning odd, and yes, in my day it was ODD to see two members of the same sex doing….well……
            I refuse to call QUEERS gays. That word was used in the late 1800s, the gay 90s, remember. It meant “happy!”
            They may be happy to be QUEER, but they’re STILL ODD!!!

          158. tinkerunique says

            Sodomy used to be illegal, NOW it gets promoted. PETA needs to go to SYRIA and nearby places… Muslim “radicals” use goats for “pleasure”.

          159. Gayla says

            Peta is highly funded by the leftist elite, many of todays stars and starlets spend big dollars on this agenda. They have lots of power and influence.

          160. taliesin319 says

            Best phrase is the descriptive one. Homosexual. It describes a state of being, is accurate, and it’s opposite is Heterosexual also accurate and neither are pejorative in nature. If someone calls 97 % of the population Heterosexual do you see them
            screaming to be called Straight ? Keep using the appropriate word. After all, Homosexuals are here, out, and proud. Let them be proud Homosexuals. They have no basis to be insulted for being described as what they indeed are.

          161. yachty says

            Like Liberace, Cary Grant, Rock Hudson and half the other stars in Hollywood at the time?

          162. marshmil says

            The “homos” and “lezzies” don’t present much prolem compared with the cutthroat nut cakes following that pseudo religion invented by a pseudo prophet businessman in the 600s CE who stole some ideas from the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures.

          163. msbets says

            Have you ever seen the sign……..”WE HAVE THE RIGHT REFUSE SERVICE” of course they are gone now thanks to the gay movement, I don’t give a fat rats a$$ who or what you screw, just leave the rest of is alone……….BUT OH NO can’t have that…….2% percent( or roughly around there) of the population are fruit bats they have more rights than I do…….so shove it where the sun don’t shine you moron.

          164. marshmil says

            Oops! you missed your target msbets. I support the WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE. I grew up in that era. BE CAREFUL who you
            shoot your darts at. The radical adherents to Islam are more of a threat to the world than gay people. I if you read all my posts you’ll awaken to what I stand for.
            It’s not abortion, sex outside marriage, same gender marriage (that’s ludicrous), but I support the rights of individuals to live together with whom they wish. Their private lives are THEIR CONCERNS, not mine. I don’t meddle as does “Church Lady.”

          165. taliesin319 says

            Noone regards them as a threat. They have decided not that we all have to
            practice tolerance as all are prepared to do and are doing. They are insisting that we must go against tenets of a religion we have every right to practice,. Moreover activists groups are selecting Christians simply to put them out of business when there are many stores in the same areas eager for their custom. It’s not anything more than spite that drives them. Are these ordinary homosexual people ? No, but ordinary Homosexuals march in lockstep and so must be considered as potentially as spiteful as the activists who speak for them.They are allowing this to happen. This is very counterproductive as it results in wariness toward every Homosexual. Most people never gave them a thought and had no problem who they were involved with. Now it would be a very foolish person who would have anything at all to do with them in a personal social sense and if they are working with them should practice strict civility in every encounter including addressing them by their surnames preceeded by the honorific.If one is told that the first name is the custom. Use it. If one is required to attend a civil function one behaves as one would at any business function. When dealing with them it might be a very good thing to keep any conversation confined to the weather and sports scores or cooking. You do not have to share any opinion on a subject that discusses their lifestyle. Nor do you have to spend time listening to what is patently not your concern.

          166. marihia says

            I don’t care who or what they sleep with, either just leave the rest of us alone…….hell that scum has more rights than I do………..I will NOT be careful I throw darts at, I throw darts at the monger in the OUR whitehouse and I don’t give a damn what list i’m on, am sick and tired of this bullshyt, we are not too far out from the muizzie’s taking over this country……..Then what WILL they do?? My guess is they will have to go back underground.

          167. yachty says

            Mosquitoes are taking over? I hate the nosee ems! That is why I anchor out when we are down in the Caribbean! Season opens in 1.5 months, can’t wait for the sun!

          168. marihia says


          169. jcmoore2010 says

            that is very discriminatory, and one should not have the right to refuse service based on prejudicial stance…love the sinner not the sin ( if you consider it that).

          170. Tedski says

            Ahh stick it ur a** dickhead fag queer

          171. Gayla says

            That mindset will only exist to further the homo movement.

          172. marihia says

            oh please don’t blather that in my face, THEY SURE DON’T ANYMORE, THANKS TO THE LEZZIE’S AND HOMO’S, I myself have never seen anyone get refused in my life time, of course that back……WHEN THIS COUNTRY WAS SANE.

          173. yachty says

            Really it is above 10% and some believe above 20% if you take the ones that are married and just have sex with men outside of their fake marriages! Perhaps your husband likes to give BJ’s? Do you know who you are actually married to?

          174. Johnny Christensen says

            And now the schools are getting deeper into the sinful nature by cutting the words boys/girls and instead calling them all purple penguins …why not blue penguins and pink penguins ?

          175. ted j says

            remember Sodom and GOMORRAH….THAT IS THE FATE AMERICA HAS IS STORE .

          176. marihia says


          177. phil62 says

            Marihia – I agree with you but please refrain from using all capital letters except for emphasis – it is known as screaming at the people you are talking to. Thank you

          178. marihia says


          179. phil62 says

            Sorry, didn’t know

          180. marihia says


          181. yachty says

            You are just an old Bigot!

          182. marihia says


          183. yachty says

            I am a 30 something married male that has a great husband and two son’s! I don’t work, I tried, but really it is so depressing! I have a few homes and a large sailboat. I drive a Mercedes G500 and Sail, Surf, Polo, Party and Travel. I love Art, Museums, Shopping (have 150 pairs of shoes), Fine Dining, Good Vodka, Rum and Wine.

          184. marihia says

            SURE YOU DO

          185. yachty says

            You ask, but when I respond it is all a negative! Seriously, you really need to wake up and smell the espresso! I have something that is called a trust, my mother’s parents left it for me. Not everyone works, Hell my mom is 75 and has never worked a day in her life( she did try for 6 months). She had a degree in social work, but only lasted a short time as it was depressing. She was really good at shopping and doing lunch!

          186. yachty says

            People under 30 are 80% Pro Equal Rights, under 45 is 58%….Boomers are dying off and soon forgotten! All they leave behind is their pollution and a sick taste in your mouth! They have found children of homosexuals are better adjusted than kids of straight couples! There are Gay couples everywhere with kids! Even NY Times had an article named The Gay Baby Boom! There is also a Surrogate Agency directed towards the Gay community. Gays are better educated, make more money and are higher scoring on IQ tests!

          187. marihia says


          188. yachty says

            Actually Marihia, everything I wrote is true! Once you die off the world will be a better place, not for your contributions, just because you are gone! Gays are having Babies and fast! People under 30 could careless if someone is gay! Come on, in a survey 60% of Heterosexual men admitted that they had engaged in gay sex at some point in their life. I know in High School and College I had sex with all my friends and most are heterosexual now. Do you know the difference between a Straight guy and a gay guy…..a 6 pack of beer!

          189. marihia says


          190. Ken says

            God will shake the Evil out of this Satanic World. No one will be able to hide.

          191. marihia says


          192. Ken says

            If you can see that, there is no doubt, that the Father is calling you.

          193. Jim says

            Let’s hope you do not have to put up with it for much longer.

        2. Matthew G. Zatkalik says

          It would appear that those deluded into trying homosexuality will result in a reaction similar to the females who tried abortion yes, you can live through it but there will be years of mental/emotional suffering for those individuals as well as their eventual banding together to prevent others from experiencing what they went through. With the freedom of choice there comes the unavoidable consequences. ‘We become too soon old, too late smart.’

          1. marshmil says

            Matthew nobody “tries” homosexuality [homogenderic relationships]. It is programmed into an individual before birth. I can pitch or bat a baseball but that does NOT make me a baseball player. Same with kicking a football. Nobody converts from “straight” to “gay” or the other direction. An FM radio cannot pick up radar signals nor can a TV send out radar signals. The devices are NOT programmed to do that. From birth we are one or the other. There is NO switching. I cannot speak for having had an abortion. My “plumbing” was not configured for that. But I deplore abortion. It is premeditated murder in the same mindset of radical Muslims cutting off heads of people they don’t like. In short, we are now living in a very evil world. The End might be soon.

          2. Gayla says

            Marshmil ~ I disagree with you concerning anyone being born with homosexual tendencies, God did not create us that way, we were born in HIs image, it is my belief that someone interferred with them at some point, inflicting them with this spirit, they can be delivered from this evil, if they will turn from their wicked ways and seek the Lord.

          3. yachty says

            Are you fcuking serious? Gay is born that way and is found throughout nature! Gay Dolphins mate for life…..Just think, gay generally come from straight parents!

          4. Matthew G. Zatkalik says

            You are simply continuing a mantra that has no basis in reality – just a retort of justification: my DNA made me do it. Balderdash, pure nonsense. No legitimate scientist will affirm the position you posit. Q.E.D.

          5. Ron Warren says

            Nobody elects to swim “upstream” against the current when she/he can float downstream with the current without effort.
            Gender orientation is not chosen. Jesus of Nazareth even addressed that issue when He spoke of eunuchs. IF “homosexuality” could be chosen I would not recommend it as an option. Common sense provides the answer as to WHY.
            Abortion is an act that violates one of the Ten Commandments whereas homosexuality, a state of being, does not. Incidentally you mention “legitimate scientist.” Are there some illegitimate scientists? …born outside of wedlock?

          6. Gayla says

            Matthew you are so right, and I am sooooo glad, to think that this will happen to them at some point, the scripture that says ” If you train up a child in the way they should go, when they are older they will return to it. This is encouraging to me, as my grandaugter has just graduated from college . she went in as a good Christian girl and came out hooked up with a lesbian girlfriend who lavishes money on her, to my sorrow, but I do have hopes that at some point she will wake up and see the error of her ways.

          7. yachty says

            More than likely she is not going to switch and will remain a lesbian! She likes to eat pussy…good for her!

      3. Buster Handcock says

        ‘Planted’ is correct!!!

      4. sandraleesmith46 says

        Sure we do; history shows clearly the outcome of embracing depravity and perversity. Look at the Roman an Greek empires, for example, or the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

        1. Matthew G. Zatkalik says

          I would hope there is a third example that you will choose to add to your post! Romans chose to do nothing effective and rotted from the core. Sodom and Gomorrah was an action by God alone. Is there no ‘close to home’ example where people said ‘enough is enough’ and took back their country by working together to wrest themselves free from the bonds of tyranny?

          1. marshmil says

            YES! And some old now dead guys formulated a Declaration of Independence which essentially told King George III to BUTT OUT. WE won! And now there are selfish, jealous goons worldwide slashing throats trying to take over what our ancestors fought for. Same evil powers are working against Israel since they fought and got back part of their land in1967; land given to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.
            The whole drama reminds me of the story of “The Little Red Hen.”

          2. sandraleesmith46 says

            Unfortunately, no, nowhere in history is there a society that has done that. Once a society starts down this path the time to do so is VERY short; a time which this nation passed by without so much as a whisper of protest! Oh no, it was EMBRACED as “ennlightenment”! Here we are some 45 years later, much too far down that road to stop it now. Only the fullfilling of Divine prophecy, now, will alter that.

          3. Gayla says

            Sandraleesmith~ OR A DIVINE MOVE OF GOD, and that is what I am hoping and praying for.

          4. yachty says

            Actually Sodom and Gomorrah was an action, not because of sex, but how they treated strangers! I wish Christians learned anything! You people are really as dumb as a brick!

        2. patsy1715 says

          We also need to do what God said, Love one another as I have loved you. But that doesn’t mean we have to approve of deviant behavior or lower our Godly standards.

          1. sandraleesmith46 says

            Exactly; and if we fail to love them enough to confront their sinful behavior, and tell them the truth about where it will take them, their lost souls are also on our heads. We can’t make them repent and change their behavior, no human, no legislation or law enforcers can do that either; indeed only God could, but He won’t; that’s what free will is about. But what they’re hearing in other quarters is Satanic deceit, not unlike what he said to Eve: ” Has God REALLY said…? Oh surely He couldn’t mean that…” I f we don’t speak out when we have the opportunity, who will? What if that 1 dies an hour later? Or we’re called out? Then who will witness?

          2. Gayla says

            We are to abhor evil, and stand for what is right, we have given up our Christian heritage, if we do not take a stand against it. We have been silent too long, we have kept things in when we should be protesting it , and calling it what it is, SIN.

        3. tinkerunique says

          Sodomy used to be illegal – NOW it gets promoted. Just like Muslims and their goats. < I've seen "night-vision" vids taken by UN forces after dark]

        4. taliesin319 says

          Greek men were required to marry when their marriages were arranged and
          Homosexuality was considered a weakness in a grown man. Roman men who
          practiced this were always regarded as less than men and lost both Dignitas and Gravitas because of it. Few Roman men were willing to sacrifice those qualities because their adult careers depended on them.

          1. Gayla says

            I thought the Romans practiced homosexuality openly ? In fact it is my belief that this is what mainly brought them down as a society.

          2. taliesin319 says

            They did but homosexuality was depised even at the time of Julius Caesar. It was in the time of Caesar Augustus where some toleration was beginning to be seen but continued to be condemned. Tiberius Caesar’s reign is where they became wildly popular first as entertainers and then as clients of the upper echelons of the realm. Roman men lost the respect for the Military Virtues and Large segments of the Roman troops began to depend on mercenaries with no investment in the Republic. The empire was overextended and gradually its borders decreased to the Italian mainland and troops stationed in outlying areas like Britton were left on their own. Homosexuals did not destroy the Republic they were the symptom of a rotting Government fostering a milieu of increasing decadence. Marriages failed and brothels flourished. When Rome fell it took about 50 years to decide who the culprits were. Homosexuals were still behaving wildly and inappropriately considering the devastation. Scapegoats were sought and found and the closet door shut with a slam. Did it open again ? Sure and it will close again too. The more things change, the more they stay the same. The pendulum swings only two ways.

      5. mallen11 says

        We are homeschooling until we no longer can. It is so much better but we realize it my not last unless we get a conservative government.
        Vote November
        Vote Conservative

        1. marshmil says

          When we pray for it God will help America restore the social order and government under His Guidance away from this evil crap going on spawned by the atheistic Left. Keep up your good work with home schooling. The Left wants to impregnate your children’s minds with socialist filth. God Bless you, your family and America.

          1. mallen11 says

            Thank you and pray that enough people know HOW to pray according to the Bible.

      6. Angry American says

        The obama administration also want to do away with home educating kids to, that way they get to be indoctrinated with all the lefties “teaching” in the education system

      7. marshmil says

        Thank you msbets for that eloquent statement. Needless to say, I had NOTHING to do with planting that fake in the current 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue trailer park. When I first learned of this impostor my exact words were, “Who in the hell is that?” Nobody with a half grain of intelligence casts a vote for someone who has never proved him/herself. But we have the low informed who will vote for anyone promising them trinkets. Unfortunately many never-before-voted voters came out of the shadows and voted, some several times as established by TV and radio interviewers. Vladimir Putin is reported to have said something like, “It’s not how many votes, but WHO COUNTS the votes.”

    2. ihatelibs says


    3. jim scofield says

      Most mudslimes are pedophiles and queers any way

    4. Buster Handcock says

      Well, he will be leaving America SOON–that is for SURE!!!

    5. Beverly Miller says

      He is a muslin and he has a hidden agenda. What to guess what that is?

    6. 7papa7 says

      What ole ohole doesn’t get is that this may very well end up in violence when the mussies will be hunted and killed like the Jews were in WW II. This idiot inhuman rights turkey who obviously HATES the Constitution because he is violating the 1st amendment which says we have the right to practice our religion needs to be drawn and quartered as an example to other idiots.

      1. bill says

        speaking of turkeys did you know that all butterball turkeys are blessed by muslim sharia?

        1. 7papa7 says

          Where did you hear that. You have to be kidding.

          1. bill says

            I forget exactly which column but it think it was Thursday townhall side bar.

          2. 7papa7 says

            I hope all that read this will contact Butterball and give them a piece of their mind for the dishonesty. thanks for the source.

          3. bill says

            here’s the rumor and the truth spokesperson from the Butterball Company told that Butterball Turkeys sold in the U.S.A. are neither blessed nor are they Halal certified.

            This rumor was sparked by an article written by Pamela Gellar that appeared in the American Thinker on November 21, 2011 warning that the popular Butterball turkeys that Americans may consume for Thanksgiving are probably Halal, “whether you like it or not.”

            Halal dietary laws described by Sharia dictate that animals for food be put to death by a sharp knife making a swift, deep incision cutting the front of the throat, the carotid artery, wind pipe and jugular veins.

            The company spokesperson told us that Butterball does export product around the world that meets certain guidelines set down by the U.S.D.A. for Islamic countries but the butchering process is done mechanically and may not meet the strict guidelines of fundamental Islam for actual certification.

            updated 11/25/11A real example of the eRumor as it has appeared on the Internet:Has Your Thanksgiving Turkey Been Blessed by Allah?

            Your Thanksgiving turkey might have been blessed by Allah! But first, a little background.

            Food plays a big part in some religions. In Judaism, certain foods are prohibited. Pork is the big one, but there‟s a long list of other forbidden foods that don‟t pass the kosher test. “Reasons for food not being kosher include the presence of ingredients derived from nonkosher animals or from kosher animals that were not properly slaughtered, a mixture of meat and milk, wine or grape juice (or their derivatives) produced without supervision, the use of produce from Israel that has not been tithed, or the use of nonkosher cooking utensils and machinery.”

            When I was learning Hebrew, I had the privilege of being taught by a Rabbi‟s wife. Their house was all kosher. Eating utensils could not be washed with soaps that contained fat since an observant Jew cannot eat fat. That‟s why I love Jewish delicatessens: lean meat.

            The kosher symbol can be found on stores owned by Jews who sell kosher foods and their products.

            The Bible does not indicate that kosher laws are related to health. “Clean” and “unclean don‟t mean “healthy” and “unhealthy.” “If clean means or indicates healthy, and unclean means unhealthy, then when a person became unclean he became unhealthy.” But this is not the case. Jesus healed the sick, but He cleansed the leper.[1] There‟s something else going on with the dietary laws than health.

            One of the oldest food laws in the Bible is the command against boiling “a kid in its mother‟s milk” (Ex. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). A kid could be boiled in another mother‟s milk but not in its own mother‟s milk. This is not a health regulation. James B. Jordan writes: “Jerusalem is the mother of the seed (Ps. 87:5; Gal. 4:26ff.). When Jerusalem crucified Jesus Christ, her Seed, she was boiling her kid in her own milk. In Revelation 17, the apostate Jerusalem has been devouring her faithful children: „And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.‟

            Her punishment, under the Law of Equivalence, is to be devoured by the gentile kings who supported her (v. 17).”[2] Other religions have regulations governing how foods are prepared. Islam is a good example. Now we learn that big-name food producing companies are following Islamic halal standards. Here‟s a story reported by WorldNetDaily: As you sit down with your family on Thanksgiving and consider offering a prayer of gratitude, be aware the turkey at the center of the table may have already been “blessed” – in the name of Allah.

            Customer service representatives from Butterball, one of America‟s most popular Turkey brands, confirmed to WND that the company‟s whole turkeys are – without being labeled as such – slaughtered according to Islamic “halal” standards. “Halal slaughter involves cutting the trachea, the esophagus and the jugular vein and letting the blood drain out while saying, „Bismillah allahu akbar‟ – „in the name of Allah the greatest,‟” explains Pamela Geller, author of “Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance.”“Many people refuse to eat it on religious grounds.

            Many Christians, Hindus or Sikhs and Jews find it offensive to eat meat slaughtered according to Islamic ritual.” She continues on her blog, Atlas Shrugs, “I don‟t want to eat halal. Not a bite – and yet this is being shoved down the throats of Americans without their knowledge.” Multiple phone representatives at Butterball confirmed the turkeys are slaughtered according to halal standards, and one named Tracy (she declined to give her last name) further confirmed the words of Islamic dedication are spoken over the birds. None, however, could explain exactly how the slaughters are performed. “I don‟t actually work in the processing plant,” Tracy explained.

            As WND reported earlier this year, however, Butterball isn‟t the only company that may be serving halal meats to unaware customers. So what do you think? Do you have a problem eating a turkey that was given the halal treatment? Are you upset that Butterball does not indicate that their birds were slaughtered by halal standards like Jews do with their kosher symbols?

          4. Tedski says

            The turkeys should be rubbed with bacon.

          5. 7papa7 says

            Thank you, that is fascinating. For me eating a turkey that has gone through that process wouldn’t bother me because Scripture tells us that food taken with thanksgiving is OK to eat. I think it is disgusting that they don’t have the integrity to at least be honest about it. You mention that “Clean” and “unclean don‟t mean “healthy” and “unhealthy.” This is quite true however if someone would stick to a complete Biblical diet they would be much healthier because God knows what our bodies need for ultimate “performance”. I never got into the Hebrew but I did love the clarity to Scripture that the Greek gave us.

    7. Pamela Craghill says

      buddman, not only is he a MOOOOZLUM, but some say he is GAEEEEY.

      1. buddman says

        Just ask his boyfriend reggieLove

        1. azsequaya says

          His Boy friend is “Michael Robinson Obama” AKA MOOshell

        2. Pamela Craghill says

          So he is two timing Prime Minster David Cameron, who he tucked up in bed, whilst he was over their. There will be tantrums and tears if this gets out.

    8. Matthew G. Zatkalik says

      buddman look up ‘Homosexuality laws in majority Muslim countries’ and see that Obama is aberrant when it comes to any major system of government, religion, and laws. He is subversive. Only in this country could anyone find a minority of people with the gains from capitalism to wage war against the structures and the people who made this possible. Were he Muslim according to Sharia law he would minimally be in prison or executed for his lifestyle. But Obama is allowed to push his minority agenda for homosexuality reforms as long as he enables the majority agenda of his subversive supporters. Subversive of what?: the Constitution, States Rights, religious freedom, governments for and by the people, defending the nation, defending the defending the defenders of the nation, not breaching national security by allowing illegal aliens into the Nation and placing them in offices responsible for national security – sorry, the list is not full. You can add your own indisputable facts to Obama’s betrayal of America.

      1. buddman says

        You are correct But under the guise of tricking the infidel many behaveours are accecpted as long as the results in Death of said Infidel that is why Obammie is a shape shifter

        1. Matthew G. Zatkalik says

          @ buddman, Wanda Sykes – a black lesbian comedian remarked that at the time of Obama’s failure she would no longer consider him our first black president … but as a half-black, mulatto – etc. He can not hide from himself. The Coalition of African American Pastors was formed in response to Obama’s ‘radical agenda’. When Holder ‘worked to undermine traditional marriage in the states, we called for his impeachment.’ Black people have recognized Obama for what he is. He can not ‘shape’ shift his black character that ran on as in the elections. No matter the costume ‘puppet Obama’ dons for his subversive backers, he still appears as black. Obama is no more a black than he is a Muslim. .

    9. Bob McMahan says

      But, this is a Kentucky court, not Obama. Of course Obama has something to do with appointing Federal judges. The rot is spreading fast. It will take a while to cleanse.

    10. jondarmes says

      I guess they all will have to die then.

  3. Ken says

    Obey God, not man. Sin is Sin. And whoever said Love the Sinner, but Hate the Sin, do not read their Bibles. Death Penalty for being an Homosexual.

    1. ihatelibs says

      sounds good to me

    2. msbets says


    3. Gayla says

      Ken ~ your post is only partly right, Obey God not man is right, love the sinner hate the sin is right too, but death penalty for being a homosexual is not from God, he says we are not to kill anyone.
      This is from the King James Bible, which all Christians accept as accurate.

      1. Ken says

        You must only read the New Testament, it is in the Books Moses Wrote.

  4. Steve Harper says

    I would close my doors before I done what they wanted!

    1. ihatelibs says

      you and me both

  5. kirkmcloren says

    They don’t try this crap with Muslims. I would close my doors before I supported faggotry.

    1. Doris C says

      As would I. I dont support it in anyway, but not only because Im a Christian but because I dont like anything thats forced down my throat.You ever seen a gay pride parade. Disgusting.

  6. Standandfight says

    Instead of changing the nation to fit all the misfits and illegals. Change them instead of the nation’s religion and culture to accommodate their belief’s and sin’s.

    1. ihatelibs says

      rest assured . there WILL be another Bloody Revolution , in the not too distant future …. >>> LOCKED & LOADED , just waiting

      1. azsequaya says

        There are approx. 35 Jihadist Training camps here on American soil. 9 more properties have been purchased & are ready to begin construction !!

        Info from the Christian Action Network !!

    2. proudtexan62 says

      They are not going to change for any reason. Best to send them where their rules, their culture and their behavior is accepted and it is surely not the United States of America. Be sure Obama is on the first plane out of here with them!!!!

    3. Green Eyed Lady says

      Exactly !

  7. ihatelibs says


  8. william g munson says

    Take his job away or do away with it or let him start his own printing company and do it for them!

  9. grover rambo says

    If I owned that business, I would have gladly went along with their agenda!
    The message on my shirts would read as follows!


  10. Combatvet52 says

    (homosexual messaging) don’t we have enough in the WH they are just trying very hard to do away with Christians

    gonna be one hell of a fight.

  11. jak says

    We have to go after the judges that legislate from the bench and the politicians that sympathize with the homosexual lobby.

  12. James Maxwell says

    What’s next from the corrupt judges and courts, forcing people to accept pedophilia and print
    messages that their life style is acceptable and allow the molestation of young children with
    no punishment? Perhaps this judge is a homosexual who want to come out of the closet
    but doesn’t have the courage so they craw out this way. I do not seem much difference
    between the two perverted acts.

    1. Doris C says

      I think thats already happened with NAMBIA. Pedophilia is now a normal condition not a mental disease.

  13. James says

    If this company was a faithful believer, they would refuse to print such trash. Many were martyred in the early centuries for not kowtowing to their government officials.

  14. Kepha Hor says

    Human Rights Commissions are an enemy. They support rights only for clients of the Left, and should be de-funded. Further, a lot of judges in this country need to be investigated and impeached.

    1. Green Eyed Lady says

      Defund! We have too many government agencies pushing agendas we don’t want.

    2. IFGA says

      Just where in the Constitution of the U S does it give the responsibility and authority of a rights commission to frce a business to do anything. ?

      1. azsequaya says

        “FIRE the LIARS”

      2. suzyshopper says

        Ummmm nowhere!!!

  15. Mark Clemens says

    I read a wile back a Gainesville Florida Preacher had shirts printed ISLAM is EVIL. Every news station ridiculed him for expressing his opinion.
    Why are homosexuals embrace for their opinions? Disagree with one and watch how nasty he/she gets.

  16. PLW says

    I wonder if $500.00 would discourage the Gay Lobby ??? Just saying………………………….

  17. david goodman says

    this country has become a cesspool since obama has come into office you have to have morals this country was great when we believed in GOD!!!!! our Constituion does not say all this filthiness is part of speech

    1. azsequaya says

      It goes way further back than 6 years !!! James Buchannan was a QUEER..

  18. MarieJ27 says

    Zazzle and Amazon PRINT personal T-shirts all the time. No need to attack Christians.

  19. Philip Allen says

    I would tell the Kentucky Human Rights Commission and the examiner to go to hell and would refuse to print any homosexual message on any shirt the company they own. Get them a lawyer and sue the Human Right Commission and the examiner. The reason they get away with this tactic is because no one stands up against them. That is what they count on intimidation. I would go out of business before I would let these Bimbos dictate how to run my business. If every business would do that then after a while Kentucky would start losing their tax money and revenue from business quitting that they would think twice about f–king with businesses. Need I Say More?

  20. smogdew says

    Obama will bully anything or anyone to get his way. The gays are becoming lethal – tell them to get their own ‘dirt’ printing company. Gays are absolute garbage.

  21. smogdew says

    Relatively speaking but not directly – just rec’d an email wherein it says Germany has OK’s pedophilia. Nice world.

    1. Judy says

      It’s coming to America! I see a lot of dead sickos in the future.

  22. yaki534 says

    Nobody or no business should be forced to go against their beliefs or religion. Freedom of religion is in our Constitution. But this administration does what ever they wish to do.

  23. Frick says

    And I would still refuse. They would have to take me to jail!!! This country is run by a bunch of idiots. Oh, we have already established that I guess.

  24. Poorgovnworker says

    I have no problems with the gay community, I have a cousin and quite a few gay friends, but I don’t think it is right for any group of people to bully another. If this company had refused to print shirts that were putting another group down such as a hanging black man or burning a mosque no one would have said a thing. But because they refused on religious convections they are to be hung out to dry, where is their right of refusal to business.

  25. Jeffrey Wymore says

    The queers can’t keep to themselves like start their own printing business or their own boy scouts nope. They have to seek corrupting the moral, honorable, high standing beliefs of others. The Homos are a cancer a sick sodomite disease that permeates and destroys mankind.

    1. azsequaya says

      They DEMAND change,,, OK,, We`ll CHANGE “YOU”(them),,, into a CORPSE !!!

  26. Mike Won says

    If stupid is a crime, the gender challenged, morbidly obese & all non Christians would be incarcerated! ~mikewondoctrine~

  27. IFGA says

    Rules to obtaining a socialist state, by Saul Alinsky, #7 Religion: Remove the belief in the God from the government and schools.

  28. Pamela Craghill says

    How totally disgusting. Where is democracy and freedom of speech. Are gays so chaloenged that they have to have people bullied to promote them. This world is becoming totally disgusting, forcing people to go against their religion and feelings of what is right and wrong. You might be able to bully them in to doing it, but you will never make them believe what you force them to say. Change the human rights policy as no one should be allowed to force people to thing what they want.

    1. suzyshopper says

      The gay sympathizers keep saying that more ppl are accepting of the homosexual lifestyle, but yet every time it’s put on the ballot they lose, so they use the courts too force it on us.Doesnt sound like acceptance too me!!!

      1. Pamela Craghill says

        They try to brainwash us, by making us believe what suits them. Well I am not so easily brainwashed and I will never accept that as the norm.They hope the weak will believe and then force the strong into believing they are in the minority. Also people are frightened to say what they feel about it, so stay silent. But, sorry, not me. I will never be made to think any differently than my beliefs tell me. You have to be strong, or they win.

  29. helen sabin says

    It seems that gays are deliberately choosing businesses to target with their racism and bigotry. There are plenty of businesses that want their job – they should go to them. Gays are disgusting in this regard. I wonder if gay screen printing businesses would print shirts that state,,,,GAYS ARE NATURE’S FREAKS? This is why MANY “straights” of society find them so distasteful.

  30. Phile says

    Is it true that little o was and maybe still is a member of a gay bathhouse society in Chicago?

    1. sandraleesmith46 says

      Yep; see also Bohemian Grove, in CA, and in the WH. But then, so’s Mooch.

  31. Loving America says

    If we stand forthright and refuse they cannot make us do nothing….and dying for America and athe Laws of Rights and Freedoms god will bless us for taking the stand!

  32. Loving America says

    After this has been percentage wise settled…”the sins” okayed for the sinners what is next? Just what will they want next…probably will want us to pray for them so they will not go to hell?

  33. Angry American says

    Phuck obama & all he stands for, he sure isn’t christian if this is his policy, if not I still do not apologize to him as all his policies are bad for us

  34. Mark Lahti says

    Just like the Chik-fil-A and Hobby Lobby and the bakery in CO. These business’s will not suffer. For the stand they take against what is wrong according to their beliefs many will flock to them and do business with them. They will not only not suffer they will prosper. I give these people all the credit in the world. When we sacrifice our beliefs for political correctness we lose. When we are persecuted for our beliefs we will attract those of similar beliefs and stand together stronger and proud. God bless America and all true Americans.

    1. Gayla says

      The bakery had to close its doors.

  35. Bill says

    Isn’t tolerance wonderful? It is amazing how that word gets bandied about in the delusional liberal world. What liberal tolerance really means is, tolerance is okay only when you agree with them. This is just another pathetic attempt for people to try and justify their immoral behavior.

    1. Mark Lahti says

      Totally agree.

  36. Bob Barton says

    See what happens when a gay communist is elected as president.Do not give up your guns.

  37. patsy1715 says

    There are other T shirt companies, other bakerys and wedding halls to choose from. They are just looking for trouble and money. God will punish them and enhance the Christian businesses.

  38. john robel says

    I just flat wouldn’t do it. I think my machines would be broken down on purpose.

  39. bill says

    both sides in this matter have the right to do business the way they want to. if the gays don’t or can’t accomplish what they need they are FREE to take their trade elsewhere. say to the muslim print shop down the street. or perhaps kinkos or madman printing inc. but no tthey wont do that because they had an agenda to FORCE compliance with THEIR wants and so get coverage for their ideals OVER the ideals of the printing company.

  40. loran says

    The crazy thing is the Bible has told us Christians that this would take place. And low and behold, here it is. Should we accept the fact that we are being targeted? I say yes and keep your faith in God and His Son, He will vindicate Christians in His own time.

  41. Mynickelsworth says

    The use of Diversity and Discrimination are being misused in order to bypass the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. The words are even used when the real reason is ANTI-Christianity. The only Source of Anti-Christianity I know of is SATAN, the source of all evil. I’m Sorry, but if you are Anti-Christian you are serving Satan.

  42. tinkerunique says

    AS IS “politically Correct”, the whiney minority rules the moral majority. Personal freedoms are diminishing, and the government is in control. SOON, we will be told when/what to do/eat sleep like the “camps” in Germany. The Marxist regime is steadily controlling America with it’s Muslim theocracy.

    1. Kevin Fogarty says

      Marxism is a an Atheist ideology, not a Muslim theocracy. Stick to words you know the meaning of like “pickup truck” and “moonshine”.

  43. James Moe Morency says

    So now if you own a business in America you must give up your rights? Rediculous!

  44. badger says

    Christians, stand you ground. Don’t give in to the evil corruption of the left wing liberal Democrats.

  45. Robert Freedom says

    All people harassed by any gov. employee. google U.S. CODE TITLE 42 SECTION 1983

  46. Kevin Fogarty says

    So, it is discrimination when the courts don’t allow you to discriminate. Don’t you see how dumb that is. And free speech only means that you are allowed to criticize your government with the fear of being thrown in prison; not that you have the right to spew any hate-filled racist white trash garbage that comes into your head. no wonder the rest of the world hates America. You hate America and don’t even know it.

  47. Paula says

    This is WRONG WRONG WRONG I’m not even a Christian and I know this is WRONG! Why are Americans not banning together to stop this? Where are the Christian religious leaders? Why does it take one .. just one or a very few .. to get “outraged” and make and break someone. This has to STOP. Come on people… ban together. If we let perverts, atheists & muslims get away with this crap, and the 2nd group has been getting away with trying to ruin our American culture for years .. what’s next? A holocaust of Christians like what is happening in the middle east? And not one country is lifting a hand to help them.

    Talk to your preachers… stop turning the other cheek. Stop giving them the benefit of the doubt. Stop being afraid of what people will think of you or call you. Anyone that calls you a racist because you want to preserve your heritage is an unfeeling perpetually outraged commie! There is power in numbers. BAN TOGETHER! NOW!

    1. Gayla says

      Paula ~ hooray for you, thank you so very much for your post, you are awesome, we need you as a Christian spokesperson.

      1. Paula says

        Thank you I feel VERY strong about this.

        I was telling my friend what WE need is a major prayer meeting! There is power in prayer and there is a lot of power in prayer when there is one than one person. Not some one place, not everyone can go to DC (for instance)….an organized community prayer. Notices that are sent out to meet in the parking lot of such and such church ALL over the country. Holding hands and praying! AT THE SAME TIME! As Americans we are in this together! We need to get GOD back into our lives and teach pride in our country again. We need to defeat this garbage of not allowing someone to say GOD or Jesus… forcing deviant behavior on people. Killing us!

        Did you notice you were the only one to respond? I don’t need people to pat me on the back… WE need to take action and we don’t.


  48. 40Helen60 says

    They look for any little excuse to file lawsuits against Christians. There are plenty of graphic t-shirt company’s who would have been more than happy to print whatever disgusting graphics and/or wording, but no if it’s Christian they’re like a mad dog with a bone and they won’t let go until they ruin the businesses of Christians. I have the right to refuse service to anyone. It’s time businesses fight back and file their own law suits against them for intimidation, loss of income, threats, and coercion. They could put a sign on their door, “Closed under threat by our own Government.” If we don’t fight back, we lose.
    We have Obama to thank for this. Not only does he hate America, our military but Christians are at the top of his list.

  49. Betty Schwartz says

    What about the removal even of their restroom differences…showing a split male female suillouet shouldn’t have to deal with gender issues until they are mentally old enough to ask…which is an individual growth mark . shouldn’t force gender..forcing doesn’t become a natural choice as is claimed by homosexuals.
    The homosexuals pushing their values onto Christians denies the Christians own sanctity of choice… It isn’t like there aren’t other shirt printers available…so they were targeted. The Christians don’t have a choice because it then compromises their belief system.
    When all these sects have finished eroding our system …instead of uniting…because we are heading into an Islamic war on our own soil. The koran , which all muslims align themselves with, contains 109 verses commanding hate, murder and terror against all human beings who refuse to submit or convert to Islam. This includes all the science and evolutionists…not just christians as its being treated as a holy war. They will murder, torture ALL religions that aren’t Muslim….anyone who refuses sharia law..which is similar to what’s happening to our own legal system…stripping sexual identity…descimating religion..its American sharia. Destroying us from the inside out…dividing us…what has made our country strong…we are the UNITED……STATES.

    1. Gayla says

      Well said Betty, God Bless you.

      1. Betty Schwartz says

        Thank you

  50. keepyourpower says

    I wonder if the shoe goes on the other foot, and there is a Republican in office, and they have control of both houses..IF this will change? I KNOW it would, if Dr. Ben Carson were elected President!

    1. Gayla says


      1. keepyourpower says

        I guess you did not see my avatar. Way ahead of you there Gayla..but thanks for trying.

  51. librtyship says

    It is beginning to look and sound more and more like Germany in the late 1930s! Need to vote out the Demos in November if we want to of keep our freedoms and want to avoid tyranny! !!!

  52. tk-atty says

    Whatever happened to religious freedom in America? Is it now gone for Christians only. This is absurd, these homosexuals could have went anywhere else and people would gladly make their shirt. Everyone from the WH on down has pushed their agenda, and it is everywhere. They intentionally select Christians to harass and put out of business if they fail to comply. They would never attempt this at a Muslim’s place of business. Is there an appeals process to these commissions decision? I recommend they contact the Center for Law and Justice in Va. Bench., Va., they are a Christian Legal Organization and they will represent them for free in Federal Court.

    1. suzyshopper says

      It would be interesting to see muslims serve gay ppl or have too wait on them in their business too see who’s rights trump who’s!!

  53. 4USA2 says

    Sunday morning with Fox News, Chris Wallace show…. if you were watching the show had pro and con on gay/lesbian marriages being forced on everyone by the ruling of judges. (not the majority of voters in many states who objected) but the ruling of judges. The thing that most stuck with me after the show was the voice representing traditional marriage and family values said “where are the boundaries if unelected judges can force rulings against the people’s wishes?” And he didn’t expand a whole lot on that but if you take the content of the comment, plus know that now pedophiles want “their rights” also, to be allowed to marry children … and then this issue of legalizing polygamy opens up, and then cases that involve family members molesting other family members and rapes …. Seriously, where will the boundaries end up? Will teachers end up “having their right” to have sex with students? Hey, right now we have transvestites wanting to use the bathrooms of the sex they “want to be” but aren’t yet…and that includes school sports and locker rooms! “They have their rights” right? What about the sex pervert that molests a baby? I’m not trying to be ridiculous but if judges can rule according to their own beliefs, what’s to stop a baby abuser from “having his rights to chose the partner of his choice”. Look at your own children and then keep in mind that pedophiles want THEIR RIGHTS just like same sex couples. They want to marry children….the cases are already starting. Not many months ago there was a news story about a Muslim man in the middle East (they believe in, and are allowed to, marry very young girls) he married a 7 year old. He must have had one barbarically cruel sex night because the 7 year old girl bled to death on her wedding night.

  54. 4Bill_O_Rights says

    “Why do I get the feeling that if the owners of Hands On Originals were Muslim, this story would have had a different outcome?”

    That is exactly what I was thinking as I read this article. Who really wants to eat a cake that was made by somebody who was ‘forced’ into baking it? Nobody. If a photographer doesn’t want to take pictures of your wedding do you really trust that your pictures are going to turn out perfect? No. If you had any sense at all you would find another photographer unless of course you are more concerned with your agenda than your pictures. This is nothing more than a few people with a big agenda and that is striking out at Christians.

  55. hepette . says


  56. Betty says

    remember the signs I saw everywhere when I was young ” We reserve the right to refuse service” Well, we no longer have that right as Americans instead its You have no control over your business only the goverment does

    1. Phile says

      What is going on with these FEMA Concentration Camps spread throughout the whole United States ? Also, what ‘s with the 3 story boxcars with shackles and railways leading to the FEMA Concentration Camps ? Does anyone have a clue?

      1. Gayla says

        Phile ~There for us of course, when we revolt, they are ready for us. There was a quadron of foreign soldiers located in Fla. not sure if they are still there or not, but they were there only because our beloved pres. was afraid our own troops would not go against their own, when the time came to do so

  57. DaveM says

    Time for the presses to break and orders to be lost! Any company should be able to operate to their own specifications!

  58. PatHenry says

    I hope the printer tells the unhuman right commissioner to get out of his store. I was in the printing industry both production and then management for 40 years. There were many times I refused to print graphic soft porn or anti-religious items as it was our right to not print anything we felt was against company policy. Go to court if you have to but do not allow them to tell you how to run your business.!!!

  59. klamb says

    If this same company refused to print neo Nazi literature filled with hate against Jews, blacks and people with disabilities would the Kentucky Human rights commission punish this company the same way.

  60. reggie hogan says

    Time to publicly kill the so called “human rights” examiner by exploding his head with a ruger 44 magnum, thus wonderfully splattering blood everywhere!!

  61. daanerud says

    These same homosexuals (perverts and queers) do not want anyone to display a cross.
    When will these people be forced into sensitivity trainning?

  62. phil62 says

    The writer needs to check out the proceedings against the farm owner in New York. The judge threw the case out and all charges were dropped against the farmer. The “gays” LOST! You cannot be forced to do anything that is contrary to your personal beliefs – religious or otherwise, but in this country we are free from the ignorant laws of the Huffington Post, ACLU and GAAAYS. It is called the Constitution, and until they throw it out and come up with a new one I am free to say and act in any manner I see fit as long as I don’t cause you physical harm. So stick it in your favorite place homos.

  63. LauraAnn Johnston says

    I say do the job, just make sure that it is the worst job possible. Then these people will stay away. Follow the letter of the law, if not the spirit.

  64. alpambuena says

    so when do gays, muslims and atheist get more rights than Christians…and who can order a friggin company to do anything…like go to diversity training…are you kidding me….diversity training…I would rather rot in gitmo than go to anything like that…..and where is diversity training anyway…is that in a federal building…or is that an RV THAT TRAVELS AROUND…….well here is my diversity opinion to you all…middle finger is straight up and directed towards you…….those diversity nutballs.

  65. Taking care of business! says

    Imagine it being the other-way-around?

  66. ttoolman says

    This once great country is gone and will never be back.

  67. chief1937 says

    No longer feasible to own your own business as the federal government is going to tell you how and when you can run it. Guess all businesses now belong to the government who can not run their own but are determined to run yours. This country voted for change and did we all get it.

  68. Donna Faulkner says

    Christians, Believers in Jesus Christ as a Personal Savior, were told by Christ to expect what is happening in today’s world. Though we do not expect to do “to do nothing” we are to expect discrimination. We are told to “defend” our faith, stay lot to Christ, but expect non-tolerence for our stand. If that means business owners would close their doors to honor Christ then that should be done. No loss is greater than the loss of Christ.

  69. rosebud says

    Sounds like another loss of a freedom – FREEDOM OF THE PRESS. Hard to believe that in this country under God with liberty and freedom for all, a company must conform to something they are morally against.
    It is not so much the homesexuals that he may be against, the the provocative way they choose to ram their way of life down our throats. Oh well, that’s between them and God.

  70. wapitihunter says

    Does a Human Rights Commission examiner have the legal power to order anyone to do anything? Are they a judge? They would’t like my response to their suggestion. I didn’t know there were self appointed judges, juries and executioners.

    1. Phile says

      We can blame Little o, the cronic liar for just about anything. Wasn’t it Little o who was pushing Transparency? Give me a break. I think that most Americans are aware of the fact that Little o is Gay. COME OUT COME OUT wherever you are !!!

      1. wapitihunter says

        Yes and it was documented by someone who worked with Naval Intelligence of the Queens habits. It was known that he frequented gay bathhouses, club and bars. It was known who ITS boyfriends were. He was said to have married one of his male college roommates Many of the gay community was surprised that his activities in Chicago continued while he was a Senator and could not believe it when he or IT announced it’s run for the Presidency. I guess the mainstream media did a good job keeping her secrets under wraps. They sill continue to not report the blunders, scandals, lies and cover ups of the liars in DC.

  71. WSmith says

    Homosexuals are the NAZI activist,s of our time. Of course they were instrumental in the rise of a guy named Hitler 80 some odd years ago. Ernst Rohm and his “Brownshirts” promoted homosexual literature, theater and were used by Hitler to intimidate political opponents before loosing favor in 1934. Rohm and the Brownshirts were among the most militant Nazi supporters until becoming a threat to Hitler’s power. The Night of the Long Knives was the end of Rohm and his organization but homosexuality was not the reason. Homosexuals permeated the Third Reich and it”s court system until it’s final defeat…………….Do we really have to do it all over again? Homosexuals once again are proving themselves not just the most intolerant and cruel among us but also capable of the same rabid hate that helped ignite the last great world war. This needs to end. I think it’s time we just say no. No more.

  72. Ronald Hagler says

    This is the ‘Liberal” agenda: to use their Constitutional rights to deny you yours! First, the ruling party has no right to issue such a decision. Second, the ruling is a direct violation of the companies Constitutional rights as it defies freedom of commerce and freedom of choice. Hopefully more sensible heads will show this commissioner the error of his ways and vote him “OUT-OF-OFFICE

    1. Jeff Brooke says

      Close, except they don’t actually have the constitutional right to force us to bend over (no pun intended) to their wayward ways, those government officials who decided to force business owners to go against their beliefs are dead wrong and out of line. These people should be immediately removed from office/the bench/the bar/etc and imprisoned. To force a United States citizen to partake in actions that go against their beliefs is not just a crime, it is a crime against people, that is, not a victimless crime, like spitting on the sidewalk is. The government is forcing injury upon innocent business owners to appease a few whiny misfits, shame on them. Well actually, to hell with them!

  73. Jeff Brooke says

    No doubt some fag in Obama’s long line of czars had their hand in this shit. Fags like cramming their hand in your shit.

  74. Fedupwiththefeds says

    After hearing about the three cases mentioned in this article, if I were a business owner I would contact a lawyer to see about having some sort of “contract” drawn up that clearly states that in order to do business with me, you will not be able to sue me or my business if whatever it is you are purchasing from me goes against my beliefs and I refuse service to you. There has to be a way for businesses to stop the LGBT community from forcing acceptance of their lifestyle on everyone else. The LGBT community needs to stop forcing companies to do something that goes against their beliefs. If they want to be treated like everyone else then they need to stop making everyone bow down and give in to their demands! They can have businesses that specifically cater to their lifestyle and nobody in the straight world would say one damn thing about it. We need to fight back and let them know we will not let them bully us into accepting something that goes against what we believe in!

    1. Bluto Blutarski says

      they pick out a company go in and if they get some blow back the lawyers move in. Like I say a lot of bad blood out there

      1. Fedupwiththefeds says

        That’s a sad way to handle it because it just creates more resentment. Eventually, they are going to see that we are sick of it and will start fighting back.

  75. Eric Carter says

    Just like Obama who got these fool vote. They are looking at DEATH to America! Death to FREEDOM! And all they care about is getting marry to another fool! God already made their choice were they spend their afterlife. And it most likely HELL! Just like those who vote on color of skins, or party loyal they do NOT deserve anything but DEATH! Killing the country for something they already have rights to do, like get married to the other sex. Here what wrong will those who refuse to believe in this country, Nobody is saying you don’t have rights, it just not the rights you want.GOD law was make long before some fool call an ATHEIST name Darwin lies about what he know was true. Can bet he burning in hell already! Only those who do not believe will see if that true!

  76. Bluto Blutarski says

    One day 98% of the population will snap because 2% want you to know they like same sex. Really I do not care how many gerbils die but don’t tell me. A lot of killing will go on once the race war bammy wants gets going. A lot of bad blood

  77. Lefthandedcigs1 says

    Would it be a damn shame if ebola was smeared on the shirts as they were sent out the door to the perves who ordered them?

  78. mperkins2 says

    I’d tell them to get bent. When did the government get the power to tell a business how to operate and what to make? It’s time to put a stop to this out of control government. It is our duty and obligation as citizens to do it when those who should be will not. I can’t understand what kind of hold he has on so many that they are ready to worship him. He is nothing but a fake and an enemy of America and needs to be treated as such.

  79. 1uncle says

    Another example of the socialist demos taking away our rights once guaranteed and by a lying alien piece elected by loinfo voters bought with your taxes, .bred on welfare. allowed into the country.
    States must take back their rights via amendments to Constitution.

  80. Cranky Steven says

    Does this work in reverse? I mean, can fag sites be forced to print pro-Christian texts?

  81. Greg137 says

    I would quit my business and keep my faith intact… Why some people don’t just march on the homos and burn down their HQ… They mneed to show respect to get res[pect! The Fags could just simple die for all I care! I am so sick of those fucking queers!

  82. Ray Heffley says

    Develop a battle plan! If you are in business in the United States, you do business in the way that suits you. When I was in business, the most important part was the interview. I wanted to make sure my customer was 100 percent satisfied that I had done everything possible to make them happy and assure myself that they would return to me. This would take 1-2-3-4-hours in my interview room. My Holly Cross and pictures of my lord were on the walls. Often in the interview, i would talk to my customers about faith and how it guided me in my effort to make everyone of my customers happy to do business with me. Didn’t matter if it was a small order or big. This was my business and I wanted to make sure my customer was going to be a believer in me and my business. If it took six hours before we signed the Contract, it was my business and every minute, every hour of interview was important to me. In that period of time I would get to know a lot about my customer. I don’t know why, but some didn’t like my interview process. They left angry and threaten’d to go to another business. That’s how business works. Then I would welcome my next customer and take them to my office, Where my cross gave me strength and my pictures of my lord would guide me through the next contract. Pass my business practice on if you like.

    1. Jesus is God says

      And I truly pray that I am with you in Jesus’s Heavenly kingdom, Sir You are a faithful champion of truth!

  83. NakedToad says

    They can be fined, they can even be jailed but they can not be forced to print something that they refuse to. If they take the route of defiance I’ll start a fund to help pay their fines.

    Who’s willing to help support peoples right to serve whom they will.

    By the way, I have no problem with homosexuals. Many of my customers are homosexuals and I have no problem serving their them. I have a problem with any one trying to force others to preform services that they don’t wish to.

  84. 63Marine says

    If ANY of those AH’s tried that crap on me and my business, I would tell them to “Put it whare the sun don’t shine”. We have an illegal, queer muslim in our White House and he is married to a transexual. This is just about as bad as it can get. If America doesn’t wake up and flush the toilet in Washington DC, this country will be totally destroyed….Maybe it is already too late……..
    Semper Fi

  85. Wayne says

    F$#$ the legislature and the horse they rode in on!!! I’ll say any F%$%N thing I want …and if anyone takes offense ….THAT’S TO F54%$N BAD!!!!! Freedom of speech…it works both ways.

  86. Jeff Brooke says

    Any business has the right to refuse service to anyone. Those elected to do the peoples will do NOT have any right whatsoever to tell a business owner how to run his/her business.

  87. Joe T says

    What happened to the sign in a restaurant window “we reserve the RIGHT to REFUSE to serve anyone”

  88. ihatelibs says

    Like HEL !! Id Close the F-CKIN Doors . In all my years , Ive seen what the LIB/DEM COMMIEcrats , have Done to MY/YOUR/OUR Country . The Exact same thing , I Enlisted for in 1970 , to STOP . Maybe its getting close to a time when Another Real Revolution should happen . This TYRANICAL Government that We have . Is Exactly what Our Constitution is Against … Anyone have Any doubts now , as to Why , the LIB/DEM COMMIECRAT Lefties , are Scamming us about Gun Control ??? And as to WHY the are SO Desperate to Disarm ??? US , the Patriotic American Gun Owners ??? LOCK & LOAD America . I am . And WE have (2) TWO More Years of this FRAUD ILLEGAL COMMIE KENYA MUZZY , to deal with . Stock up on All the Food , Dry goods , Fuel and AMMO AMMO AMMO … I am . Good Luck America . We WILL need all we can get

  89. Frick says

    Sorry, I would HAVE to go to jail!

  90. jim marcum says

    I understand this and it’s not as crazy as it all sounds. It’s all about money, cha-ching. It’s all about Social Security and people being able to collect spousal social security benefits. It’s a lot of money. It could bankrupt social security. Read the Social Security Laws for spousal benefits, they need to be changed. Show you are married to someone for over ten years and not having worked a day you can collect a large portion of the amount of social security that they will collect. It works for ex-spouses as well. It’s wrong. It’s wide open for fraud like this.

    1. Jesus is God says

      You are absolutely right Jim, as God’s Word clearly states “For the love of money is the root of all evil”. This is truly what is behind the homosexual wicked agenda, to force tax-paying American citizens to support them and their beliefs by forcing us to pay taxes to subsidize their wickedness!

  91. jesusplease killevil says

    You think that’s bad. In 2009 I decided to return to college to obtain a Business Education teaching certification because I have a badly injured back and neuropathy in both of my feet which for all practical purposes limits me to working in a sedentary job. In order to complete the academic qualifications for the teaching certification, it was mandatory that I take a “multicultural” class. During the class, every student was forced to watch a film presentation from a “gay” student in the
    class celebrating his “gay” friendships and so-called lifestyle. Not only that, but shortly after that travesty, the teacher demanded that every single student in the class reveal their beliefs on “gay
    marriage” in front of every other student in the classroom. It just so happened that I was sitting at the very back of the class because periodically I would have to stand up and stretch because of my injured back. As a result the class ended just as I was set to be the last person to be forced into revealing my beliefs. It was either the class ending or the fact that the instructor knew that I was a fearless Christian that doubtless despised homosexuality that triggered her decision not to question me.

    And, just to show you how extreme this reverse discrimination against “Christians” has become, check this out. Also as part of the class requirement, every student was instructed to deliver a five minute presentation on what life experiences had led us to want to become a school teacher. During my presentation, I revealed that I was almost killed by a drunk driver in 1980. At the time, and being a poor college student with no medical insurance, I turned to the Bible to seek God’s intervention for physical healing. I had my Bible with me during my five minute presentation and I testified that during the process of turning to the Bible for help for healing I had obtained salvation by accepting Jesus Christ
    as my Lord and Savior. I also mentioned that during my search for healing, the Holy Spirit had sustained me. As soon as I said the two words “Holy Spirit” the teacher exploded out of her chair and
    demanded that not one more word on religion be spoken in her class and that I was to instantly shut down my presentation.

    I reported everything that I am stating in this message to the Dean of Education and he basically told me that he couldn’t care less. Not only that, but that he also told me that he and a few other leaders
    in the Department of Education had convened a meeting and decided that I would not be permitted to student teach. He stated that it was because of my physical limitations, but I had just finished walking all over that college campus for 18 months completing 12 classes to obtain the teaching certification. Although it was very difficult for me to walk on campus because of the neuropathy in both feet, I still managed to make 7 As, 4 Bs, and only 1 C during these 12 classes. I truly believe that their refusal to
    permit me to student teach had nothing to do with my physical problems, but because I had took a stand against this demonic lie of homosexual marriage.

    Thus I was left having to repay a $6000 student loan and no way to complete the requirements to obtain the teaching certification because the University would not allow me to student teach.

    I placed exclamation points around the word “gay” in my message because to me there is nothing gay or happy about these people’s satanic choice. That homosexual in the classroom who the students were forced to watch him and his little friends queering off had nothing gay about it. He was a sad and bitter person who wanted revenge for people not accepting his acceptance of demonic darkness! And its not a lifestyle, its a DEATH STYLE! As any rational thinking person knows in their heart,
    engaging in homosexuality is extreme depravity and abomination just as the Holy Word of God tells mankind! And the Word of God instructing mankind not to engage in homosexuality is not a choice, it is a COMMANDMENT FROM ALMIGHTY GOD!

    I am still trying to obtain justice for what that University did to me. And if we don’t start standing up and demand our Constitutional rights of freedom of worship, we may as well be living in Nazi Germany! It is an absolute travesty that any business in America can be forced to accommodate WICKED people engaging in DEPRAVITY AND HORRIFIC CORRUPTION! I will say it again, homosexuality is a filthy lie from satan, and you better prepare to be burned alive, because as Jesus Christ burned Sodom and
    Gomorrah over two thousand years ago, He will do it again to us.

    I am not married but if you don’t realize that if you have little kids in school that they are having this filthy lie of homosexuality rammed down their throats, then you are completely self-deluded and deceived! Wake the hell up! This homosexual agenda is not only to ram this vile lie down
    your kids throats in classrooms, the truth is that these filthy predator scum want to ram their filthy sex organs into and down your kids throats!!! Wake up and start fighting for truth or you will find yourself burning alongside these depraved animals in the eternal lake of fire!

    And don’t you dare think that the things that I am telling you are not real! God the Father sent His only begotten Son to be ripped apart on Calvary’s cross to pay for mankind’s wicked sin. Sexual perversion and homosexuality were one of the main reasons that Jesus Christ had to be crucified so that you and your children could be saved from eternal hellfire! At the core center of homosexuality is self-worship, the most extreme depraved lust, and a predatory demand that normal people bend over and have these demon beliefs and actions forced into and upon your lives and your children’s lives!!!

    You can’t say you were not warned!

  92. Charles Hargrave says

    If I owned the printing company the first thing I would do I sue if that doesn’t work I would print the material with miss spelled words and back ward sentences and make a real mess of the job,the Homos would have to go to someone else to get the job done and if the other printers are smart do the same,sooner or later the Homos will get the message that Americans have a right to say no to them,

  93. Jim says

    The United States is under the rule of law and not a church or a particular religion. Protest the decision by marching in the street or writing letters.

  94. Larry Allen Thelen says

    In the 1950s it was commonplace for a hotel/motel to require proof of marriage before renting a room to a couple. Not only that, the proprietor could call the local police and have the couple arrested. Barbers insisted on the right to refuse to give a haircut to blacks. Times have changed.

    My guess is the principle being applied here is that when a business opens itself to the public, it is required to satisfy all the legal requests of its customers. In a free society, a business cannot refuse to shape a cake like a menorah because it is Jewish or a crescent moon and star because for a Muslim event. That is what freedom for the citizen is all about. And yes, freedom is a zero-sum game. One person’s right is another’s duty.

    When a business offers to print content for a price, should it have the right to refuse because the content is at odds with its politics? Democratic or liberal, when the proprietor is Republican or conservative? Should a TV station have the right to refuse political ads that are legal but with which it does not agree?

    It is in no way a matter of being biased against Christianity or any one organization; it is a matter of equality for all.

  95. albertbryson says

    It is unfortunately that for Christian businesses that refused to serve Homosexuals/Gays have to pay fines, undergo diversity training, etc. Best thing to do is stay in business and go ahead and serve the immoral homosexuals/Gays with a smile and charged them a little extra if possible.

  96. ShadowMe says

    Here we go again… 98% of the population has to kowtow to 2%. That is the percentage of gays in America… thought it was more, eh? It seems like they are a majority with the media and social exposure they get.

  97. Helen says

    You would have gained great favors from God had you closed your company rather than complying with the deviousness that was asked of you. Until we trust God and sllam the door to the treachery of Satan we will not win!!!! It takes courage and belief in God…So far we have turned our backs on Him and He does not force us to stck with Him but He also is not there to help us until we stick our necks out to acknowledge and obey Him above all others. We need to grow some stong spines… We are a very weak people which has come to light since this angel from hell ascended to the white house. Wake up!!!!!

  98. Kent2012 says

    and this is all being overseen and promoted by the democrapos in DC and the perverts messiah in the WH

  99. voyager7 says

    Although we as Christians should not have to violate our principles, that seems to be the way things are going. It started when our pastors and other Christian friends told us we did not have to vote or get involved in politics. It started when we did not pay attention to the news or current events and simply locked ourselves away in our homes and listened to Christian music, ignoring our responsibilities to God and government. The most intelligent way to deal with a homosexual group asking for a wedding cake or tee shirts is to give them what they want, but make sure that we tell them up front that EVERY PENNY made on this sale will go to an anti-gay organization. This keeps the shop keeper within the law and lets him/her make a political/moral statement at the same time. The Gay community knows EXACTLY what they are doing. They are attempting to isolate Christians and show us as bigots while drawing public opinion into their camp, and it is working. STOP playing their game and helping them win. Remember what the Bible says, Matthew 10:16 says, “You are sheep among wolves. Be wise as serpents, yet innocent as doves.” Think smart.

    1. JB Wright says

      Think smart? Is “The most intelligent way to deal with a homosexual group asking for a wedding cake or tee shirts is to give them what they want” thinking smart? NO! Giving in to government oversteping their bounds is NOT thinking smart. There is no wisdom in alienating our inalienable (look up inalienable) rights. Handing the enemy the keys to the kingdom is in fact rather a foolish thing to suggest, much less actually do.

      As a business owner, you have the right to refuse service to ANY customer, ANY time, for ANY purpose. We do not start businesses to be told who we will do business with or how we will conduct that business. If that is what you want, don’t waste your time and efforts needed to run your own business, just go get a job, they’ll be more than happy telling you how to do your job. I suppose you think Jesus should have just let the money changers continue doing what is was that they did in the temple too

  100. DustyFae says

    Time to force Gays and Atheist into printing Christian literature and verses…
    like homosexuals and atheists are committing a sin but they want to continue in their sins.. That would be a great one for them to print for Christians..

  101. 1uncle says

    More loss of our rights via the un-American Pinocchiobama and his thugs. WE must get rid of NO’, many senators and some judges even in the Supreme Court.

  102. adrianvance says

    And you thought it could not happen here!

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” and get sharp.

    1. SkyHunter says

      You are a closeted homosexual. You should come out of the closet before you die and enjoy the sunshine.

  103. runnindeer says

    This is due to the political correct mess that has been saturating the minds of Americans now under this regime. The State doesn’t have a right to force any company to manufacture an object on grounds of civil liberties. This is again another far over reach by people with little to no legal licence and nothing more than a deep seated drive to push an agenda. With cash and a good attorney the screen printing business can win against this but in all probability they won’t have that kind of cash and these liberal zealots will have it due to Federal backing for their cause. If only we had some real Christian attorneys in America now with the kind of grit and conviction to stand for GOD and for Country against this delusional political , tax funded takeover of small businesses.

  104. voyager7 says

    JB Wright, I agree with you, but the idea that a business open to the public can simply
    turn away anyone they wish stopped when the 1964 civil rights act was voted into law. NO ONE goes to the back of the bus, is forced to go around to the back of a restaurant to be served etc…The key here is that the civil rights act was for the black American, someone BORN BLACK or BORN THAT WAY. Gays are using this claim as their vehicle and claiming they are BORN THAT WAY. If you REALLY want to win this thing in court, using the idea a business has a right to refuse service IS NOT the way to do this. CHALLENGE their claim that they are BORN THAT WAY. That is the weakness. Destroy that claim and the civil rights issue is destroyed too. God does not condemn someone for being BORN THAT WAY, he condemns the sin of homosexuallity because it is something that is acquired, accepted and practiced in opposition to God’s commandments. Again, think smart!

  105. Mary95 says

    So what if Christians In these states allowing this tyranny purposely picked out ‘gay’ businesses to create pro-life, Christian symbols, cakes, photos, whatever their business did and did the same thing to them? Because obviously these activists are not going to random businesses, then going on down the road to a business that doesn’t care if they participate in these types of things. They are intentionally picking out Christian organizations in order to sue them, over and over, to wear us down, and remove our freedom of religious expression. They have No Tolerance. We have and that’s what got us into this mess…PC. By the way…concerning the new Houston discrimination against pastors… where is Eric Holder? Shouldn’t he be in Houston? Where is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, the so called reverends, on this discrimination the mayor of Houston is pushing there? I thought they were against discrimination. Only certain kinds, I suppose. But not religious freedom? I can’t say I’m shocked unfortunately.

  106. Jack Given says

    Let’s step back and take a look at a couple of things that Jesus said: Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Would I as a Christian want a gay owner of a sign company to refuse to print a banner for our church? Consider Matthew 5:41 “And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.” The Jews of ancient Israel didn’t like or agree with the Romans but if a Roman soldier compelled a Jew to carry his pack for a mile, he had to do it. Jesus said “carry it TWO miles”. I wonder if the gay customers would have been drawn to Jesus if the straight printer would have said, “I don’t agree with your parade, but Jesus loves you for who you are, not what you do. And if I’m going to be a representative of Jesus, I’ll put aside MY opinions and let Jesus love flow through me to you in making this banner.” Sexual orientation is a temporal issue (remember, there is no marriage – straight or gay – in heaven. (Matthew 22;30). Love and a relationship with God is an eternal issue.

  107. Stu Pedaso says

    So what if a church went to an LGBT owned t-shirt shop and had them print a bible verse that condemns homosexuality. Would they be force to print them?

  108. Yadja says

    I hope he lawyers up and fights this. The problem is the Supreme Court. The Gay community that only makes up 3.4% of our population by some stats and less by others, were loosing their fight for Gay marriage because the States were saying no so they went to the Supreme Court. Nine people in Black Robes overrode the majority. That is a sad statement and it will get worse.

    The man should sell his company, take the loss and go his way.

  109. slotiac32 says

    If I owned that company, I’d sue the State of Kentucky all the way to the S.C. Another disgusting example of political correctness running amok!

  110. organic girl says

    So are they also forced to print other crude or blasphemous messages or satanic messages on shirts just because someone wants to place an order?

    Do you think Ford should force a manufacturer of Toyota parts to supply
    Ford parts? This meddling in private business has to stop.

    This is so contrary to freedom and liberty that every American should be loudly protesting. Instead we read lamea$$ excuses like those below that misinterpret Biblical passages…like the comment about four below that quotes Luke 6:31 and tries to skew it to fit this circumstance.

    If gays want gay message shirts, find another printer.
    If I choose to print only blue shirts for men, then that’s my decision as a business owner. If you want women’s or children’s shirts or other colors, simply go elsewhere.

    And shut up about it. It’s my income I’m limiting, and none of your business.

  111. Nina Ferguson says

    I am not against Gay people, what I am against is the way that we are being told that we cannot follow our Christian convictions and opt out on printing or baking or hosting gay beliefs. It should be obvious that there are more than one bakery, one wedding facility that can be utilized. It doesn’t mean that you have to use one particular printing company etc, Tell you what, go to a Muslim bakery and see what their response is. I’ll bet you money, they will say no, Then, sue them for discrimination. If you go after a Christian bakery, etc, then you should also go to a Muslim bakery, etc, and see what happens.

  112. wired2comment says

    he should change the Label in the back of shirts to Produced in USA by Deplorable tax paying citizens

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