Colorado’s New Gun Laws Failing to Curb Gun Violence


Colorado residents may be pleased with the economic boon provided for by the legalization of marijuana, but they may not be quite so happy with the effect of new gun legislation. Laws that went into effect last year spurned considerable controversy from the start, but it is only now that statistics offer hard proof that these tough gun-control measures have done little, if anything, to stem the violence.

Colorado Springs-based News 5 has done an investigation into Colorado’s new gun laws, finding that this legislation does almost nothing to affect criminals – the very people they are aimed at stopping – while penalizing those who were already operating within the confines of the law. Pulling crime statistics from around the state, News 5 realized that gun crimes actually went up following the implementation of the laws.

The laws included mandatory background checks for firearm transfers and the banishment of magazines holding more than 15 rounds. Unfortunately, most gun criminals don’t pop down to the local gun shop to pick up the firearm they intend to use in a bank robbery or a gangland shooting. They get their weapons on the streets, steal them, or find some other nefarious way to keep a paper trail from pointing back at them. This would seem to register as common sense to most people, but no one ever accused gun-control advocated of having much of that.

“The law enforcement I’ve talked to aren’t going to enforce this because it’s stupid,” gun shop owner Mel Bernstein told News 5.

Who could say it any more plainly than that?

Of course, this news from Colorado comes hot on the heels of a scathing report from the Washington Times demonstrating how gun crime prosecution has dwindled under the Obama administration. Can you believe this? The guy shouting from the loudest bullhorn that we need new laws, the guy crying at press conferences because Congress wouldn’t push through his ridiculous gun legislation…this is the guy that won’t even enforce the laws we already have!

According to the Times:

While President Obama decries gun violence and presses for more laws to restrict ownership, his Justice Department has prosecuted 25 percent fewer cases referred by the main law enforcement agency charged with reducing firearms violence across the country, a computer analysis of U.S. prosecution data shows.

Federal prosecutors brought a total of 5,082 gun violation cases in 2013 recommended by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, compared with 6,791 during the last year of George W. Bush’s presidency in 2008, according to data obtained from the Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys.

The next time Obama decides to get up on his high horse and complain about the need for new legislation, I hope an enterprising reporter has the guts to call him out on his own hypocrisy.


  1. Frank W Brown says

    A Country Founded by Geniuses but Run by Idiots!

    If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but

    not for entering and remaining in the country illegally — you might

    live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or

    to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion — you might

    live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a

    check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but not

    to vote for who runs the government — you might live in a nation that

    was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from

    owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty

    F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt — you might live in a

    nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but

    not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make

    you fat — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is

    run by idiots.

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    wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman

    in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head

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    is run by idiots.

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    teacher is “cute,” but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class

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    but is run by idiots.

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    If the media panders to your openly socialist leader while the IRS targets groups with dissenting views— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your government ‘cracks down’ on legal gun sales to law abiding citizens while secretly supplying illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your local government (Chicago) outlawed gun ownership for ‘the safety of its citizens’ and now boasts the worst murder rate in the country — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    What a country!

    How about we give God a reason to continue blessing America?

    This was borrowed from another blog, please spread it far and wide!

    1. Mark Clemens says

      I reckon the Founders underestimated the power of STUPID. They did warn us about morally challenged and greedy politicians, but nothing about stupid ones. …..

      1. grunion says

        They aren’t as stupid as you might think. They have managed to pretty much wreck this country in a few short years.
        I think they like to appear stupid while furthering their agenda behind closed doors and without care or compassion for anyone but themselves.
        Dispense with all incumbents and pick new candidates with a lottery or something similar.

        1. Mark Clemens says

          Oh, I believe both parties are out to RULE us & go communist. I think since we started doing business w/China, our government sees how efficient a Communist government works.
          If you think about it; trading a FREE REPUBLIC for a COMMUNISM is past Stupid! I call it “Going FULL RETARD”
          Whats good for a government is not necessarily good for its people.
          Whats good for the people (FREEDOM) is not necessarily good for for a government. Its been this way since the bible and before.

          1. Ken Trefaller says

            Ronald Reagan said” the problem is government”.

          2. Mark Clemens says

            For all the Tree Huggers:
            In a truly civilized world there is no place for politics. Its a shame people just cant respect each other like Jesus taught.
            Instead we need laws police jails to keep people in line. If you look at the other side of the globe it’s mayhem from the Great Wall to Adrian’s Wall…….
            The Western Hemisphere is were peace is. We don’t have one official war over here. Just a few big Drug Cartels and Human Smugglers causing problems. I know this “Little bit of trouble” is bad news for people involved, but this is better than constant all out war……

          3. Laddyboy says

            You forgot the War Between the States, often called the “Civil War”. Thank God we are not still fighting it. If mr. obama and his co-conspirators continue on this “Path” we are on, we just MIGHT have another “Civil War”. I PRAY to God we do not. This SECOND Civil War would leave America in shambles.
            Get these Godless people out of our government before it is too late.

          4. floral says

            The Civil war left the new country in shambles. 50k died in1 battle. We would not have a 2nd civil war, but a 2nd revolution. the 1st was fought against the vile King who would not assent to the most necessary of laws or allow individual freedoms,our inalienable God endowed rights. If the People go to war against the government which oppresses us and denies the Constitution, it will be a 2nd Revolution for restoration of the hard fought blood sacrifice which established the Constitution to limit the Republic which was to safeguard the Rights of the People, not to oppress them.

          5. Laddyboy says

            I can substitute the word revolution with the word war and the effect would still remain the same.

          6. floral says

            The problem was not revolution vs war. It was your attempt to bring CIVIL war into it. It will not be a 2nd Civil War. Any attempt to throw off the yoke of oppression of the no longer Constitutional Republic, will be a Revolutionary war. It will in no way be equivalent to the Civil War. To restore the Republic will require blood sacrifice and sacred honor.

          7. Laddyboy says

            The Northern States stated it was a Civil War. Meaning Family member against Family member. I agree that NO war is civil, meaning nice.
            I also agree that if Patriots and the Militia rises up to remove this muslem yoke, the ensuing War will NOT be CIVIL. With the advancement of weaponry the death toll will be HORRENDOUS. Blood will flow in the streets, not just the jutters. The death toll of the “war between the states” will have no comparison to the maiming and deaths. I do not look forward to this type of conflict here on American soil. It would be a shame.

          8. floral says

            Shame does not even begin to cover what will happen, if the government continues to try to corner the market on guns and ammunition and militarizes the police and uses the army when the lib/dem/progs via the prez eo’s declare a state of emergency and seize all means of production, all vehciles, all stored food, the farms etc. If we don’t revolt now, peacefully, we will be slaughtered or we can fight back and still get slaughtered.

          9. floral says

            Do you always miss the point? Revolution means war vs Civil war. It won’t be a CIVIL war, it will be a 2nd revolution(ary war).

          10. Mark Clemens says

            That Floral person just whines about everything.
            The rest of us, get what you are saying…..
            Merry Christmas
            Peace on Earth (especially in the USA)
            YOU know this is the first Christmas full moon since 1977?
            From Jesus to us, enjoy it!!!

          11. floral says

            You don’t know what Jesus taught. It was NOT “respect”.
            Your syntax and non points are garbled, unintelligent and false, logically and rationally.

          12. Mark Clemens says

            ……..Are you stalking me?
            You argue with illogical people, for days!!!!!
            Therefore I don’t think it wise to communicate with you any more.
            Merry Christmas

          13. floral says

            What nonsense you spout! Are you admitting to being illogical? Are you just a coward, and cannot come up with a rational post with which to reply? If you had any wisdom, you would not have misstated my words or twisted my posts out of recognition. If you are admitting that you are illogical, how is it “wise” of you to not “communicate” with me any more, though your replies were far from communication, in your inability to be logical. Guess you cannot take being opposed and have nothing rational to say and cannot justify your inaccurate unsupported, unsupportable statements or acknowledge that you were wrong when you misquoted and misattributed George Washington.
            Therefore does not follow from you argue with illogical people (You, obviously) If replying to your garbled posts is stalking on my part, then you are guilty of stalking me in your constant illogical irrational posts that are irrelevant replies to my replies to your nonsense. I consider your merry christmas obnoxious and insulting, and insincere. I am not a consumer oriented believer in a made up holiday.

          14. floral says

            To be more precise, he said(I paraphrase) if the government tries to identify and solve a problem, THAT is the problem.

          15. floral says

            There is no side. We need to return to limited government that we control, not be controlled by. We were warned by the Founders not to allow government to master us.

        2. supergun says

          It does not take any intelligence for an idiot to destroy.

        3. DaveM says

          And what has the public done to stop this abuse? Cry, moan, whine, express anger…where are the actions? If everyone who hates what is going on takes direct actions, letters, faxes, demonstrations, vote out the pigs that are destroying things, etc….then again it can be said “WE THE PEOPLE”!

          1. Laddyboy says

            Operation American Spring was done earlier this year. The MSM blacklisted ALL and ANY information about it. The Congressmen were given paperwork which basically called for the return of America to the Constitutional form of government. I have not heard ANYTHING about the “requests/demands” of the OAS.

      2. kirkmcloren says

        Morally challenged and greedy are stupid. Sin does that to you.

      3. supergun says

        Could not afford to be stupid back then. You would most likely die real quick being stupid. Maybe we should go back to those times,,,,boy,,,,we would thin out the population, wouldn’t we?

    2. Ken Trefaller says

      No other country in the world allows voting w/o proper identification.

      Look at Chicago, a war zone.The toughest gun laws in America. The real problem is drugs.

      A is A We will always have drugs.
      Do you want them with or without crime?
      Without crime by giving the drugs free thru a physician.
      The problems this will cause can dealt with and minimized as opposed to the war on drugs that has failed over the last 40 years.

      1. Steve Thomas says

        If they want to continue a “war on drugs”, they should look into the deaths and injuries CAUSED by prescription drugs that blessed by the FDA as “safe”! 5 times as many people die from Rx drugs each year as die from illicit drugs.

        1. Mark Clemens says

          It’s IMPOSSIBLE to overdose on marijuana. There is not one case of a person dieing from just smoking marijuana. Now those prescribed pills do kill, but hay, the pharmaceutical lobby bought your congressman that’s what makes them safe so Big Pharmacy can push them.
          I reckon the real question here is do you want your drug dealer to have a PhD or not……….

          1. floral says

            Eating it is another matter and the smoke is dangerous to the smoker and the bystander. Several suicides and psychotic behavior leading to murder have resulted from excessive psychoactive intake from mj. Tokers are pretty useless….and a drain on society, esp when they drive. A sometime drinker and honorable vet recently killed a female police officer in a hit and run while drunk.

        2. Krystal S says

          Many of those deaths are allergic reactions or idiosyncratic. The remainder fall under the “benefit outweighs the risk”, where most receive great benefit from the drug and generally less than 0.01% (1 in 10,000) have fatalities. Do you ever take prescription drugs?

          1. floral says

            Not since they caused me more problems than benefit. antibiotics are now useless and the overuse and misuse by doctors has resulted in super bugs immune to all antibiotics. Over 150k die each yr from prescription drugs legally prescribed and used as prescribed. Anti-depressents and anti-psychotics are routinely prescribed without thought or diagnosis and cause depression, birth defects and violent behavior, NOT idiosyncratic. 5k women died in human trials for the newest bc pills. 5k babies were still born after mothers used Paxil and another 5k had birth defects. And that is just what is admitted. We are a nation of drug users. Might explain the lib/dem/prog illogic/irrationality and loss of liberties

      2. Mark Clemens says

        Lets not change scapegoats ( drugs for guns) It’s the persons choice to murder or not to murder, to do drugs or not to do drugs. As you see governments cant legislate behavior. After probition liquor based murders slacked up if not stopped. Heres a question:
        Of all those politicians who originally declared war on drugs, are any of them still alive?

        1. Finkster says

          FDR went after the Prohibition in search of Tax Revenue to help him with his Socialistic Policy. It didn’t work.
          Just like the Liberal States legalizing Marijuana. They will receive the Tax revenue, but it will not solve the Illegal drug problems and the crime associated with them.

          All Mind Altering Drugs need banned and only used under the care of Doctors.
          After all these years you would think people would wise up. We need to get back to the Christian Morality that our Heritage had and reinstate that morality back into the Law of the land, Schools and the Public Square. Then we can solve our Drunkenness and Druggie problems.

          1. Mark Clemens says

            So, you think we should bring back prohibition? Islam shares your line of thinking too. Alcohol is illegal in a lot of those countries, look how those people act!!!!!
            Didn’t Jesus turn water in to wine? Imagine if they had yard grass over there…….
            What happened to CHOICE over here?

          2. Finkster says

            Alcohol needs controlled by We the People. Since FDR lifted Prohibition millions have been destroyed by the addiction. It has caused millions of unwanted pregnancies and 100’s of 1000’s of deaths in DUI cases. More than the criminal element of the Prohibition years.
            Have a 100 % prohibition against mind altering drugs that are addictive and life destructing, except under the care of medical professionals.

          3. Mark Clemens says

            I thought the American dream was do what you want, as long as you don’t infringe upon others. So somebody wants a liquor drink or burn a joint. Who are you to stand in their way? Only GOD is the moral judge.
            “The Constitution is here to protect us from people with good intentions” -George Washington

          4. floral says

            A drunk affects all he contacts or imposes himself upon. Same with tokers. I should not be forced to breathe mj or deal with drunks.

          5. Mark Clemens says

            Don’t associate with drunks.
            I never cared for Strip Clubs. Therefore I don’t go to them.
            It’s just that simple………..

          6. floral says

            I cannot walk in my neighborhood without some drunk impeding and infringing upon me, or laying in the street or throwing up and now in CO, there is a mj dispensary every block with jerks smoking in public. Not simple at all.

          7. Mark Clemens says

            Why don’t you move to a state or neighborhood that reflects your moral values?

          8. floral says

            There are jerks like you in every neighborhood. It is impossible to avoid the jerks. There is no better neighborhood. I am surrounded by churches and good moral people. The dregs hang around good neighborhoods-soft targets.

          9. Mark Clemens says

            Why am I a jerk? Because I disagree with you?
            I know 2 counties here in Tennessee were you might like it. Macon (dry)
            And Cannon. There are very few drinkers in these two counties. Church folks.
            Also try Texas or Alabama. They have DRY counties.

          10. floral says

            I don’t focus on DRY. There are drunks, felons, and drug abusers in DRY counties. You are a jerk, not because you “disagree”, you don’t. You don’t understand what I said or deliberate misstate it. You don’t disagree with me, you are arrogant, ignorant and lack understanding of what I wrote. I like where I am. It is the .001% of drunk, drug abusers, meth manufacturers, scofflaws that move into the neighborhood that have been driven out of the other cities that are a problem. You are a jerk in your attitude and your lack of understanding and respect for the opinions of others. Don’t impose your lack of values on me or anyone else.

          11. Mark Clemens says

            I don’t think you want a solution to your problem. If your problem would be resolved, you would have nothing to whine about. This might come as a shock to you. Almost every community in the USA has Drunks, Dopers, and Felons.
            You know that, but cry like a 3 year old about it anyway. Grow up!!
            I didn’t like the influences of urban life on my kids, when they were growing up. So instead of trying to change everyone’s morals in Nashville, I moved my family out to the country, on a 50 acre farm. Problem was solved. I removed my family from a urban influenced environment.
            But I know, your gonna whine how there are Drunks, Dopers, and Felons in the country too…………

          12. floral says

            YOu are a 3yr old whining because you refuse to unhderstand what others are saying to you. I don’t have a problem except your irrationality. Intoxication is NOT a Constitutional Right and there is nowhere to go where the slugs and dregs of society don’t bother you. I have never supported or condoned prohibition,( but you refuse to acknowledge that), but you insist that it is “harmless” and their “right” and then accuse me of being controlling and “suggesting” that I move to a “dry” area, when I point out that there is no place where the jerks who assert their rights to be jerks over my rights, are not resident or a problem, but you still said move to dry area and now you say what I said, there is no such place. You are contradictory, illogical, irrational. You do not have a solution, just lack intelligence and knowledge to understand the point, that there is no Constitutional right to be intoxicated or to deny others their rights to not have to deal with jerks. You are wrong and whiny in your ignorance and claim to being the protector of “personal freedom” for generations to come. Your false concept of “rights” is the problem, not my evidence of why your non argument is false. Ad hominem again on your part.

          13. floral says

            I said that moving is not a solution to YOUR problem, that all communities have bad apples. Why can’t you read?

          14. Mark Clemens says

            I never said I have a problem. You are the one who apparently lives on skid row. According to you, your streets are littered with passed out, abusive drunks, people smoking weed in public. I’ve got nothing going on here like that.
            Life has been good to me in Tennessee!!!!!

          15. floral says

            You said you live on many acres. Of Course you would not have that. I have 2 immediate “neighbors” who are 2x felons that are problems, and the alcoholics and druggies are evident around the liquor and grocery stores. No matter how and with what you try to deflect, alcoholism is not a right by any stretch of your febrile imagination, nor does my statement of such mean I want Prohibition.

          16. floral says

            How flippant and obtuse of you. Totally irrelevant.

          17. floral says

            That is not an accurate rendering of the quote, if it is attributable to GW at all. The meaning was not to protect us from us who have good intentions, but the government’s “good intentions”.
            Daniel Webster said

            Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption
            of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to
            guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
            ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good
            masters, but they mean to be masters.

            You need a better education and context and more accuracy. Your quote is NOT a quote, nor accurate.

          18. Mark Clemens says

            You don’t even know how this republic works. You think the government is the Master, and the people are servants? You have it backwards, We The People are the rightful masters of this country, and the elected officials are suppose to be our Servants.
            Also about your “Superior” education, you couldn’t distinguish the words LEGAL from ILLEGAL. I even politely brought it to your attention, but you never caught your error………

          19. floral says

            It was Deliberate use of illegal and I did tell you that. It was not an error. I turned your stupid statement around, deliberately and SAID SO. Not my fault you cannot read or understand and are locked into falsehoods. We are SUPPOSED to be in charge of our government. I know how the Republic is SUPPOSED to work. You are not aware that the bureaucratic nature of our government has superceded the intent of the Founders and the Constitution has been degraded to the dustbin of history by the idiot likes of bo. (his words). I did not say I had a superior education, but it is evident you have no education in logic, rationality and most especially the history of the country and the Constitution, so therefore my knowledge from reading the Constitution, the Federalist papers, all SCOTUS cases relevant, Joseph Story’s Commentaries on the Constitution, is quite obviously SUPERIOR to yours. You cannot even quote properly much less understand the meaning. The “good intentions” of government are the problem, which the Constitution was designed to prevent, but the expansion of government powers through the overwhelming power taken unconstitutionally by the executive branch has rendered us no longer the masters of government but its slaves.

          20. Mark Clemens says

            I worry about your intentions as much as I do the government’s.
            Both of y’all sound like whiny control freaks.

          21. floral says

            I have no intention nor power to INTEND any control. I do hold to the Constitution and will continue to oppose the illogical and irrationality of lacking in understanding whiners like you who try to claim as Constitutional rights which do NOT exist.

          22. floral says

            You sound like a whiny uneducated illogical freak.

          23. Mark Clemens says

            “Whiney” interesting choice of word. You only use it AFTER I called you WHINY. With all of that education, you claim to have. Can’t you come up with your own verbiage? Copy Cats never have good or original ideas.
            You are proof if that. Actually having a battle of wits with you. Is like having a gun fight w/an unarmed person……….

          24. floral says

            Neither do people like you . You have no good or original ideas, much less comprehension. You used whiny. You must think it a valid word. I also used inalienable right. You used pursuit of happiness after I did. Can you not use your own verbiage? What an unoriginal, uneducated lame commenter you are.

          25. Mark Clemens says

            …….Polly wanna a Kracker?
            I’m flattered you keep copying me. I must be your hero!!!
            This is my last comment to you for ever.
            Were you born stupid, or is this something you have been working at?
            You can tell me the truth, since I’m not one to judge an idiots lifestyle
            May the peace of the Lord be with you
            Merry Christmas .

          26. floral says

            I did not “copy” you. Whiney is not the correct spelling, whiny which I used, is. As you judge, so shall you be judged. Ad hominem, thy name is Clemens. And, you said no more before, but you are so ego driven and desperate to be right in your own mind, you kept replying only with insults, not facts or understanding.
            Once more, by saying being an alcoholic is not a right, does not mean I support prohibition nor is any such make me or anyone a muslim or stupid. As you judge me stupid when you clearly don’t understand a thing about natural rights, constitutional rights or even the meanings of words, the case could be made that you are clearly the only stupid one in this ridiculous attack of yours on all you don’t understand.

          27. Mark Clemens says

            You know I wished you a Merry Christmas, twice. You never reciprocated the wish. Just whine. That shows a lack of Christian humanity, a lack of humanity is proof of a lonely/immature heart…………
            Good night.

          28. floral says

            You still cannot use words properly. You must have meant Christian humility, not that you understand Christianity nor whether or not I am a Christian or claim to be. Since you closed a dismissive, critical but mostly incomprehensible post with merry christmas, I cannot fathom any goodwill in that casual and contradictory closing, and took it as insincere on your part because of your attitude and calling me and others muslims because you misunderstood MY comment as promoting prohibition, which is not the main tenent of islam, another failure on your part. Only an insincere person could call me a muslim and a promoter of prohibition and then want me to “reciprocate” a merry christmas. And, you said you would never reply to me again. You are indicating a very illogical, irrational mindset, not very Christian, without any humility or understanding of Christianity or the words you use. Perhaps your suggested advanced age also suggests senility, and/or failure to mature and/or return to childish behavior. Perhaps you get your kicks from opposing people without actually reading their comments/replies, which is immature.
            I think your complaint about not being wished a merry christmas by me, is whining on your part. Why would you care to be wished a merry christmas by someone you criticize and castigate so vociferously and call a muslim?

          29. floral says

            You fail to understand that I quoted Daniel Webster, the actual author of the quote you attributed to George Washington and IN CONTEXT. I know how the Republic is supposed to work. So did all the Founders. The inaccurate quote you stated, when understood in context, clearly states the Constitution was designed to protect the people from the GOVERNMENT’S “good intentions” because they intend to be masters, not servants. You need the education in reading comprehension.

          30. floral says

            How ridiculous can you be? It is a rhetorical question. With every post, you reveal that you cannot read or understand what I write.

          31. floral says

            You thought wrong. That is NOT the American Dream, and the Dream, whatever you want to think of it, is NOT Constitutional, not part of the Bill of Rights.

          32. Mark Clemens says

            I thought Dusty Rhoads was the American dream……
            Not everyone has the same dream you do
            Others share your vision of the American Dream

            Some they do, some they don’t, and some you just can’t tell……..

          33. floral says

            I never gave you my vision of the american dream. I said whatever the dream means to you, it is NOT Constitutional, and therefore not relevant to inalienable Constitutional Rights. Get a clue or a little logic.

          34. floral says

            Again, the American Dream is not a Constitutional concept, nor specific nor relevant to RIGHTS.

          35. Mark Clemens says

            Oh, one more thing catches my eye. What kind of “Mind altering drugs” need a Dr’s supervision? LSD, MICRODOTS,BLOTTER, MUSHROOMS, PYOTEE, COCAINE? Like weed I don’t think these drugs have any medical uses, they are purely RECREATIONAL.

          36. Laddyboy says

            Only when not given out to the unsespecting military men when the government experimented on them without the individual’s permission.

          37. alphinostrum says

            —-Just what we need …. Carry Nation and her hatchet to revisit us…..don’t think the folks would put up with it…..

          38. Mark Clemens says

            How about a little self control by people, on these other issues?
            Blaming the bottle for the issues above, is like blaming the gun for a gun related murder. It’s not the bottle or guns fault. Blame lays with the person’s actions while the bottle or gun is in their hand.
            Also, just because “It’s legal” doesn’t mean you have to do it……..
            Let people make up their own minds.
            “The Constitution is here, to protect us from people with good intentions”
            -George Washington

          39. floral says

            Straw man argument and false premise. Just because it is illegal does not mean you have to do it.

          40. Mark Clemens says

            You’ve been hitting the jug, Hu?
            We all know that’s not what I said.
            If something is illegal, I suggest you not do it…….

          41. floral says

            I know what you said. You are illogical. It was a false premise. I just turned it around. There is nothing to stop ASSumers from drinking and now there is nothing to stop idiots from toking in public, and driving impaired, even though there are laws against both. Grow houses cause all kinds of damage and harm, with the pesticides and fumes vented. While I don’t agree with the drug laws or prohibition(I think the legal drugs are just as or more dangerous) legalizing has done NOTHING good for society. It is NOT a right.

          42. Mark Clemens says

            Pesticides are a risk in ALL Agriculture endeavors, weed is no worse, or better. I’m also sure weed gives the smoker cancer, like tobacco does.
            In order to stop all DUIs, maybe we should out law automobiles ? They do kill more people than guns………

          43. floral says

            That is an argument for the gun grabbers. I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment and all the Bill of Rights. Your arguments though are illogical and irrational. I point out the illogic of the gungrabbers, because the 2nd amendment is an inalienable right. drunkeness and drug abuse, both ligal and illegal are NOT constitutional rights.

          44. Mark Clemens says

            You made a comment about pot pesticides ruining the environment. I told you all agriculture has the same risks. You said nothing about guns at all. Go back and read the post I replied to. You might need a drink to regroup.

          45. floral says

            You need a brain to think with, since it is obvious you are illogical and irrational and cannot read and are so arrogant that you think your baseless non argument nit picky irrelevant comments are gold. You completely ignored the gun issue and concentrated on your stupidity of asserting the unconstitutional RIGHT of drunkeness and drug abuse. I pointed out the dangers of legalization of pot in CO. You reason like the lib/dem/progs irrationally and illogically.

          46. floral says

            I did NOT say that pot pesticides ruined the environment, just that the pesticides used were dangerous, to the user and the general population. Maybe you should learn to read.

          47. Mark Clemens says

            Same can be said about corporate farms and their over use of pesticides.
            Just because you repeat the same thing over and over again, doesn’t make it any more true, than yesterday.

          48. floral says

            Just because you keep misstating my position and ASSuming that I said something I did not, does not make you anything other than an illogical, irrational, misunderstanding jerk. What I said was what I observed and my opinion and conclusions about the facts. Just because you don’t understand does NOT make me wrong or you right. Your comment means and says nothing, because it relates to nothing I said.

          49. floral says

            Wrong. The argument you made was about banning autos to prevent DUI’s. I said that was an argument for the gungrabbers. You are so illogical, nitpicking, misunderstanding, irrational.

          50. floral says

            It is worse, in the grow operations. The fumes from the grow houses contaminate the air and poison children for miles. Most are illegal and unpermitted and cannot be controlled, even where mj is legal. Since “legalization” in CO, crime associated with mj sales has increased exponentially as have poisonings, fires and public smoking, in the parks. One idiot smoking in the park has rendered the parks unusable by the public who don’t want to be exposed to the 2nd hand smoke or their children to be poisoned by the “eatables” left behind.

          51. Finkster says

            So then let’s let all the Drunks and Druggies that commit Felony Offences while under the influence not be held responsible for using the Gun or Club or even a hammer . No Wait,,, we need to outlaw hammers and clubs instead of the drugs and alcohol that leads many to commit crime. I mean,,, we wouldn’t want to use self control by regulating alcohol and drugs to help folks to maintain self control, now would we.

          52. floral says

            Not even medical “professionals”. They are paid by pharma to blindly prescribe and create addiction for more profit.

          53. floral says

            Sorry, as much as I deplore addiction of any kind and mind altering substances, prohibition is not the answer. Part of the problem is the mind and body altering LEGAL FDA approved drugs, a MUCH bigger problem than illegal drugs.

          54. alphinostrum says

            —–Choice is ideologically unacceptable! Don’t you just love Ideology?

          55. Mark Clemens says

            Choice is a God given right. Ideology is thinking all the people in a country this big will stay sober their whole life 24/7/365, and act accordingly. ……..

          56. floral says

            God given rights are life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, not a right choosing to be addicted to anything which alters your mind and body negatively.

          57. Mark Clemens says

            That’s right, the pursuit of happiness, is a God given right.
            If my pursuit of happiness is being intoxicated, who are you or anyone else to infringe on my pursuit of happiness?
            You can’t impose your values upon anybody, except your kids…….

          58. floral says

            intoxication is NOT a right, and does not promote happiness, just drunkeness. If you can destroy your mind and body, however temporarily w/o affecting anyone else-I could care less, but you can’t. You obviously are without a moral compass, and without enough intelligence and reason to seek truth or even acknowledge how illogical and irrational you are.

          59. floral says

            Not my values, the values of the Founders 99% of whom were Christians, and the rest admired Christianity. Drinking is not forbidden, nor is prohibition a founding value. Drunkenness is NOT a constitutional nor God given right. Drugs and drunkenness are not of value to the development of society nor the perpetuation of liberty. It is anti-liberty to be controlled by your base impulses and/or drugs/alcohol

          60. Mark Clemens says

            It’s also Anti-Liberty to impose your values upon other people.
            Banning alcohol is as absurd as forcing you to drink it……

          61. floral says

            What laws ban alcohol? And why does it matter to you? There is no constitutional right to get intoxicated. There is NO proof or evidence that alcoholics are happy, quite the contrary. Some people get their “joy” from sadistic acts against others, others get their kicks from murder or rape or threats. Punishing the results of others’ choices is necessary. You are incapable of drawing moral lines or even of logic. Your comments are rife with false premises, strawman arguments and ad hominems, not facts or sense.

          62. Mark Clemens says

            None presently, except for age requirements.
            All freedoms matter to me. I would like generations to come, to have the same rights as I have today. I never said all drunks are happy, it’s just their right to be a drunk. You seem to be a bit of a control freak. If you mind your own business, you won’t be busy minding our business.
            You know a lot of terrorism is caused by religious fanatics, should we ban all religions because of a few bad apples?

          63. floral says

            Not relevant-straw man logical fallacy, false premise, ad hominem. You are illogical, irrational and without understanding. When your choices infringe on my rights, you are wrong. I mind my own business, drunks and druggies don’t mind theirs. Only by preserving the wisdom and intention of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, can we hope to preserve liberty for generations. Nobody has a right to be drunk, useless, drugged up, steal, rape, murder, be a burden on society. Those behaviors, while choices made, do not rise to the level of RIGHT, especially when it infringes on the rights of others.

          64. floral says

            The 1st amendment prohibits GOVERNMENT from infringing upon and/or making any law infringing upon free religious exercise, or establishing a single nat’l religion. Any so called “religion” that seeks the overthrow of the US Constitution/government is not to be allowed.
            You keep bringing extraneous irrelevancies into the thread. The article is addressing the issue of gun bans, which are clear violations of the 2nd amendment inalienable right. drunkeness and drug abuse are NOT inalienable right. and no one is trying to BAN. them, just punish the consequences of the behavior when it violates the rights of others. When I trip over passed out drunks on the sidewalk, or am impeded in my travel because of impaired individuals who have just murdered innocent bystanders thru their “pursuit” off happy self destruction, I am minding my own business. All drunks and drug abusers are bad apples. Some may avoid murder or theft or property damage, but all are at best leaches on society, useless slugs not to be associated with or allowed to interfere with civil society.

          65. Mark Clemens says

            Keeps you talking…….Hu?
            Yes this is a gun article, over a year old at that. Someone suggested we bring back prohibition. Apparently I disagree with their view point. Then you tried to reinforce the argument for prohibition too. You stereotype all people who drink as incompetent, and abusive. I personally know a lot of Doctors and Lawyers who drink after work. Are they draining from society?
            I wish you Islamic people would stop trying to impose your back woods values upon us. If you like a country were alcohol is illegal, move to IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA, KUWAIT, OMAN. Alcohol is illegal in these countries. Look how these people act. Abuse women and children, want to indiscriminately kill people who have different views………….
            See how people act, when alcohol is outlawed.

          66. floral says

            The article was promoted in my email. I was not aware that it was a year old initially. That said, you promoted drunkeness as a RIGHT. That has nothing to do with prohibition and I do not support prohibition. I object to your illogic and irrationality equating drunkenness and drug abuse as a RIGHT. Neither are. A drunk and a drug user/abuser ARE at the very least, a drain on society. There is no right to be a drunk or drug user.
            I am NOT islamic. I am anti-islamic. I do NOT and have NOT ever promoted any prohibition for guns or even alcohol or drugs. You have accused me falsely. You are irrational, illogical and absollutely ignorant and lack reading comprehension and understanding.
            Islam is NOT based on alcohol prohibition. That is the most minor of their “policies”. I come from a long line of resistance to stupid rules and stupid ignorant claims to “rights”. One of my antecedents was a teetotaler who, upon prohibition, made a still and produced great quantities of moonshine which allowed him a great living. I don’t drink, because I am allergic , but I don’t try to stop anyone from imbibing. I strongly object to your ignorant rant that drunkeness and drug use/abuse is a RIGHT. Choices are not RIGHTS.

          67. Mark Clemens says

            Does one not have a right to choose anymore?
            Yes you keep saying the same talking points over and over and over again. Makes you a boring read. If you have nothing more to say, give it a rest……

          68. floral says

            Not a Constitutional Right to be intoxicated. Get a clue. You are wrong in every post, and quite boring in your illogic and irrationality.
            I realize you have nothing to offer and cannot respond with any fact, logic or rationality, so you resort to ad hominems, false premises, misstating and irrelevancies. You give your stupidity a rest. Try to understand your lack of moral compass, that you have a very bad philosophy, and lack understanding of the Constitution and the concept of inalienable rights, which do NOT include a right of intoxication. Your “right” to choose is circumscribed by reason, and others rights.
            Give your stupidity a rest. Don’t reply to me if you can’t be rational and logical.

          69. floral says

            You keep asserting total stupidity, ignorance and misunderstanding over and over and over…….give it a rest since you have nothing valuable or accurate to say. Again, your “quote” was not a quote from George Washington or complete. Nobody said what you claimed as a quote from George Washington.

          70. floral says

            Not my fault you are incapable of reading or understanding what is said. You keep saying the same stuff over and over and fail to recognize that no one said what you are criticizing. Repetition is necessary for fools to finally hear, but you are too obtuse to understand the simplist statements, and you criticize and oppose what is not there or said. Why is that.

          71. floral says

            You ignore the most basic points and reply to what is NOT said, that you create out of your thoughtlessness. I NEVER posted anything that “reinforces” or favors prohibition. I specifically opposed and do oppose any prohibition. You are obtuse and ignore what is said in favor of your false and uncomprehending biases. You ASSume facts not in evidence much less existence.

          72. floral says

            Banning/controlling guns is anti-liberty. Nobody is banning alcohol. This article is about 2nd amendment rights and the attempt by the furher bo to impose HIS unconstitutional values upon the country.

          73. floral says

            Again, nobody, least of all me, is trying to ban alcohol. ABsurd statement and not a valid or sensible argument. Ascribing punishments for the consequences of drunkenness is no more imposing anti-liberty values than the punishments ascribed for murder, rape, theft. Drunkenness and drug abuse/use whether legal or illegal is NOT a Constitutional Right. Neither are the other activities/choices, such as rape, murder, theft, perjury. You cannot call drunkenness and drug use/abuse a Right without leaving the door open to making murder, rape, theft, perjury Rights of Choice also. No anti-social behavior is a Constitutional Right, nor “personal freedom”. All of them infringe on the rights of others.

          74. Mark Clemens says

            How many times are you going to reply to this one post?

          75. floral says

            As many times as it takes to expose your illogic and irrationality.

          76. Mark Clemens says

            Why is it important for you to “Expose” me?
            Really who am I, that my view is important enough to expose?
            Do you really want to see a 75 year old man naked? (Exposed) *LoL*
            (Not that I’m judging your lifestyle, I’m just puzzled.)
            Do you think I am the one behind the WTO?
            Exactly what do you want to expose?
            I’ve already exposed you are an moron, with no friends. If you had friends, you wouldn’t want to argue w/me on Christmas.
            I’m guessing Santa didn’t get you a house out of the ghetto.
            He probably brought your neighbors liquor, and weed, just to irritate you….
            Merry Christmas

          77. floral says

            I see a 75 yr old man naked every day. Revealing your ignorance does not require nakedness on your part, more evidence of your inability to comprehend and allow others their opinions, esp when those opinions are supported by facts and evidence that you are illogical, irrational and uncomprehending.

          78. floral says

            Choose not to alter what is left of your brain and choose not to make everyone else pay for it.

          79. floral says

            Jews considered drunkeness and drugs pagan and sinful, as it took one away from God.

          80. Cynic says

            There were no laws against drugs or alcohol until the 20th century. No drug or alcohol problems either.

          81. Finkster says

            You better study your history. There was major drug problems in America after the Civil War. The drug of choice was Morphine. That’s what led up to the Alcohol problems of the turn of the century. Drug laws came into existence around this time by States. Because the wealth of the drug trade around the world was influenced by Politics by those involved. Like FDR’s family back in the late 1800’s with opium.
            And the Kennedy Family with Alcohol after the turn of the century. We have always had and under class that partakes in Drug and/or alcohol addiction and it needs controlled by the People. Not for government and the wealthy,s best interest. But for the Peoples best interest.

          82. Bonney Bacon says

            So, how well has that worked for you?

          83. Finkster says

            How well has what worked?

          84. Bonney Bacon says

            Controlling alcohol and drugs ‘by the People’.

          85. alphinostrum says

            —-Ah yes, Edgar Allen Poe and his 7% solution…..

          86. Laddyboy says

            For your edification the 20th century refers to the 1900s. Not the 1861 – 1865s War Between the States. The Civil War was in the 19th century.

          87. Finkster says

            Every 3rd grader in the United States knows that. I’m still looking at the comments and I just don’t seem to find where I referred to the Civil war being in the 20th Century. But thank you for the edification .

          88. Mark Clemens says

            If the civil war was from 1861-1865, how did it happen in the 19th century? The year clearly states it happened in the 18th century?

          89. alphinostrum says

            —-The idea for this country first took form in the minds of a few men….in a tavern…..what if there were no taverns back then……

        2. floral says

          Bearing arms is the individual’s inalienable constitutional right. Drugs and alcohol use are not rights, constitutionally. Stop deflecting from the point. Alcohol is not banned, just the consequences of the behavior are (sometimes) punished.

          1. Mark Clemens says

            It’s the same thing. It’s called personal freedom. Even if you don’t decide, you still have made a choice.

          2. floral says

            Choice is NOT a right. Everyone’s rights are circumscribed by the rights of others. This comment of yours is illogical, irrational, and you obviously misunderstand the concept of “-personal freedom”

          3. Mark Clemens says

            Only a fool would argue with an illogical person, as long as you have!!!!
            Are you foolish enough to keep it going? Now that would be illogical Mr. Spock.
            Kirk out…………….

          4. floral says

            Answer a fool in his folly lest he become wise in his own eyes.You certainly are foolish enough to keep it going, and resort to “whiny” insults instead of fact. Are you admitting to being illogical? Sure seems like it. I will answer your nonsense as long as you are foolish enough to continue posting illogical and nonsensical and misunderstanding “replies”. So far, I have only stated my opinion and the facts that I know. You are the one who cannot respond with sense, fact, knowledge, just ad hominems and falsehoods and complete misunderstanding. You won’t understand or acknowledge when you are being silly, foolish or completely misunderstanding. I have read better arguments and syntax from the ultimate in illogic and irrationality, lib/dem/prog politicians, but then, the bar is so low……..
            Why don’t you try to find the source for the alleged George Washington quote and/or admit you did not “vet” or accurately transmit any quote, and that you failed to understand the actual quote and falsely and ignorantly insulted my knowledge of the Constitution and how our Republic works and why it is NOT working they way designed?

          5. floral says

            You are not Kirk. He was logical and recognized Spock’s rationality. You cannot even read or understand other’s stmts or even recognize how ridiculous your comments are. It is hardy illogical to reply to illogical statements with logic. Apparently you think you are insulting me and have scored some point. Now that is illogical.

          6. Mark Clemens says

            ………So is having a drink of alcohol. Nothing in the Constitution says we can’t drink alcohol. Also a lot of people who do drink alcohol, don’t always drink to the point of drunkenness. You make it sound like everyone who drinks, becomes abusive. That is not even close to being true.

          7. floral says

            You can’t read or understand. Drunkenness and drug abuse/use is NOT a Constitutional right. You said it was a right (under the “pursuit of happiness”) You are wrong and irrelevant. Your interpretation of that statement is is projection and misunderstanding on your part.

          8. floral says

            Nothing in the Constitution addresses drinking anything. Absence does not a positive grant of rights make. Your non argument is false as is your ignorant non understanding of what I actually wrote.

        3. floral says

          Yet the government continues to legislate “behavior” ie Civil Rights Act, EEOC, SCOTUS ruling on SSM and Obamacare and welfare and food stamps et al. Your focus is way too narrow and unjustified. Liquor based murders did NOT slow up, just changed. It was no longer profitable to smuggle liquor so those murders stopped. Alcoholism increased and liquor deaths, either by driving (and killing the drunk and/or others) or cirrhosis or accident or suicide increased exponentially. Get a clue. You are irrational and inaccurate.
          Here is a question-why do you think it relevant whether or not the Czar of the original War on Drugs is alive? 2nd Illegal drugs are hardly the problem that the legal drugs are. Again, I am NOT a proponent of prohibition of any kind.

      3. ElmoS says

        Don’t you know that it is racist to ask black people to have an ID to vote?

        1. alphinostrum says

          —Well, now it could be said that it’s racist for WHITE folks to have to have an ID to vote too……

      4. floral says

        The major drug pushers in this country are physicians, who are paid by drug companies to prescribe drugs offlabel. Most druggies are addicted to prescription drugs. Decriminalizing drug use and funding via taxpayer only exacerbates the increasing number of addicts.

    3. supergun says

      Very good comment. Hope America will wake up before it is too late. Remember the idiot’s names in the NOV. 2014 Election.

    4. Krystal S says

      your point is well taken, but the obvious answer is the dems/libs/rads have successfully used a lie and found liberal judges who would agree with that lie, that poor people don’t have or can’t get IDs, to block this legislation. So if many of them smoke or drink or drive a car or fly or write checks or get disability or social security or …?

      1. alphinostrum says

        ……it makes some sort of “liberal” sense, doesn’t it…..

    5. Kenny Coffman says

      Every last sentence written here is so very true. It’s so true that it’s funny but nauseating to anyone who can think. The problem is that the Democrats, Progressives (or whatever moniker that they like to hide behind at any given moment) will NOT GET ANY OF THIS. The stupidity just keeps on coming and shows no sign of slowing down. For the life of me, I cannot grasp how these people survive on a daily basis. I guess that it’s with the help of all the handouts they’re given. Give people stuff for not working and their brains stop working as well.

    6. lorenv says

      I need to share this post.

  2. parlayer says

    Heck a fellow needs to be packing to keep the marijuana thieves away.

    1. livefree1200cc says

      If its legal and you can grow your own – how could the theft of it possibly go up?

      1. parlayer says

        Lazy crap heads who don’t want to do anything for them self’s, that’s why! Are you saying that all have the drive and motivation and the land to be self sufficient?? to grow your own?? I think not. Or why would they not grow their own food in downtown Denver??

        1. livefree1200cc says

          2 plants would provide a years worth for the average person. It is a weed and grows quite easily. A 4×4 plot would be sufficient. It could also be grown indoors to prevent the initial theft that might occur until everyone was doing it. It would take quite a bit more acreage to grow enough food for yourself for a year. Please stop being silly

          1. parlayer says

            All people are good, there’s nothing to worry about in the drug world, legal or illegal? I’ll choose to pack, you can call 911. You get your way and I get mine. Although You seem naive for a “Harley guy” Mr.1200cc

          2. Max_ says

            He is right in my opinion parlayer if it was totally legal there would be much less hullabaloo about it, and saying it makes everyone lazy is just like saying all beer drinkers are aggressive drunks… Some of the smartest most powerful people on the planet smoke or consume the stuff on a regular basis…
            Just sayin…….

          3. parlayer says

            Hey Max, thanks for checking in, I used to live in a different world. (the drug world, growing up in the 60’s and 70’s I’ve tried everything) I do agree that legal access would be a much better world, “Weed” is the only drug I would agree to legalize, Which wouldn’t change my choice to pack or not.. a lot of other danger’s to protect myself from. ‘——
            “Some of the smartest most powerful people on the planet smoke or consume the stuff on a regular basis… Just sayin”…….”I could fit into that group today” with taxes and red tape there will always be a BLACK market. it’s half the price on the street than in the Clinic’s here in Ca.

          4. Max_ says

            Totally legal would make it almost worthless… Really………….

          5. parlayer says


          6. Max_ says

            Like livefree1200cc said growing pretty high quality weed is actually very easy and if you could grow it soon there would be little or no demand, maybe some richer people might want some boutique grade fancy weed but for the most part growing it yourself would suit most stoners just fine.. Thus ending of big profit motive…..

          7. parlayer says

            Seems like that would be how it “should” work. Corruption will destroy everything it touches, and you can’t get rid of that. Look around, if you don’t see it your blind. but legalization would do a lot to diminish it.

          8. Max_ says

            I think that over time it would diminish interest in weed as well…..

          9. parlayer says

            I think your right, as that’s how our brains work. A person wants what ever they are not allowed just cause somebody says so. Then when they find out that it was a lie was told as the reason, it creates a distrust about everything, thus more of a problem than if it was never even heard of. You know don’t do that, grass will grow in your palms??

          10. Finkster says

            Yeah, you are right. Bill & Hillary, Kerry, Weiner, Pelosi, Obama, Reid, Hamas, ISIS, Bush 2, Gore, Marxist, Nazi, Progressives, Biden, Holder, Christie, Ford, and the list goes on and on.
            Clear down to the local level. Heck even the teachers that sexually abuse kids at school are Smoking & Snorting their drugs of choice.

          11. livefree1200cc says

            First of all I didn’t say anything you just mentioned in your last comment. ‘All people are good?’ – HARDLY. ‘nothing to worry about in the drug world?’ Actually, prohibition has made the drug world VERY dangerous because of the large illegal profits to be made. Legal drugs could not demand such a mark up because of competition and people’s eventual self sufficiency. Me call 9/11? NEVER. The best way to avoid being killed by a cop is to keep them AWAY from you, your family, and your home. I have a CCP and will defend myself if the situation arises. When seconds count, the police are 10-15 minutes away anyway. Go ahead and point out how I am naive.

      2. Bob McMahan says

        For folk who lack a conscience, it is easier and more fun to rob.

      3. grunion says

        One word, LAZY!!!!!

      4. Steve Thomas says

        They need more money to buy munchies and 44oz sodas. That is why they cannot legalize pot in NY…no biggie sodas.

        1. kirkmcloren says

          That and they have a Pedocrat gov.

        2. livefree1200cc says

          haha – very funny – I’m in NY and they actually overturned that silly law in NYC – It was only for that scumhole anyway. It didn’t affect us up in the Northern part of the state. It does wake you up though – as to what happens when you let idiots vote tyrants into office

      5. Mark Clemens says

        You can lawfully own a car,and people steal them every day.

        1. livefree1200cc says

          but can you grow your own car?

          1. Mark Clemens says

            You know cars aren’t grown, their manufactured, and yes if your ambitious enough you can manufacture your own car,truck,van,motorcycle, boat,plane if you want. You can also throw a few tomatoes & corn in your pot patch; for munchies of course. ………

          2. livefree1200cc says

            You’re right, ‘THEY’RE’ manufactured. My point, which obviously went right over your head, was that you are comparing peaches and apples. How can you compare growing a weed to stealing a $20,000 car? and to say people could ‘make’ their own car….that’s rich

          3. Mark Clemens says

            Not when it comes to defending your property, theft is theft. Were i live 8 people around here build cars as a hobby. Most of them start w/a frame and build up. Some build dirt track racers, some build muscle cars. The muscle cars might look 1940 or 50’s outside, but the insides are modern (Ac,CD, power stearing,etc). Like gardening all you have to do; is just do it……….

          4. livefree1200cc says

            Thank you for describing the difference between ‘manufacturing’ a car and ‘assembling’ one from premade parts. Only I already knew that

          5. Mark Clemens says

            Did you get a copy of Fix this Nation today

          6. livefree1200cc says

            no thankfully. I waste much too much time arguing with some of the morons on these posts

          7. Mark Clemens says

            You shouldn’t be so hard on your public!!

          8. Mark Clemens says

            ………..or maybe your just planting the wrong auto nuts?

  3. CCblogging says

    What! The criminals didn’t register or turn in their guns. Obama will make another speech and sway them to reason. lol

    1. dalek1967 says

      Now that is funny. It also makes me recall what I read a while back. Study after study has shown that gun control makes crime worse not better. CDC, Harvard I think and some other group did a fact based investigation and proved that. I think the first time was a couple decades ago. I think Obama had another done but doesn’t talk about it since it shows the same as all the ones before it, gun control doesn’t work.

      What is the definition of stupid again? ROFL

      1. yaki534 says

        Dalek1967, the answer is liberal.

        1. PLW says

          Colorado Liberals just forgot to check the history of Chicago, Illinois Gun Control Laws… Chicago has become the leader in shootings and homicides in the United States.. It must be so rewarding to be a Liberal (to warm & fuzzy inside) yet everything they touch becomes a failure!!! Scary, because you cannot fix stupid!!!

          1. alphinostrum says

            It must feel great to be #1…..

      2. Arizona Don says

        There you go again stating facts. What is it your trying to do put common sense into a libs conversation? Why do you want to confuse them that way? That’s cruel man!

        1. dalek1967 says

          Well, it is fun to watch the liberals squirm. lol

          I posted links up a couple posts.

      3. CCblogging says

        Gun control is all about confiscating guns. Gun registration is all about the government knowing where those guns are. With our guns gone, the government would be totally unrestrained and the Marxist raised Muslim knows this. Buy ammo now!

        1. alphinostrum says

          —Since Obama has been in office the price of ammo has jumped out of sight…..

      4. livefree1200cc says

        Just look to Chicago to prove that theory. The most gun laws in the nation and the highest crime murder and crime rate

        1. Bonney Bacon says

          Yup, only the criminals have guns–and they don’t feel obliged to obey the laws…

        2. alphinostrum says

          How many decades have the democrats ran Chicago, the crime (Murder) rate is the highest in the country…..and look at Detroit….a victim of decades of democrat rule….so many examples.

        1. Bonney Bacon says

          Does that mean that you are a liberal trying to make conservatives answer stupidly or that you are a conservative trying to find liberals via their stupid answers?

          1. dalek1967 says

            That means I am on a conservative site and I find and get rid of liberals. The site is not for liberals only conservatives.

          2. Bonney Bacon says

            #1 Thanks for your efforts. #2 There is that little something called the First Amendment, I didn’t see a note that this was for conservatives only. Just saying.

          3. dalek1967 says

            I don’t do that on this site. I do that on another site.

            Also, the 1st Amendment is a limit on the Govt not private people/property. It starts with “Congress shall pass no law . . . “. Just like this site for example, I’m sure it has rules that limits what can be posted. If someone posts something that is not allowed, 1st Amendment or not, it gets removed or the person that posted it gets their account closed. One thing that I am sure would violate the rules would be porn. Post something pornographic and see how long you last. Then you can test your 1st Amendment theory.

      5. Brad Arkle says

        Repeating the same behavior, expecting a different outcome. ( A. Einstein)

      6. alphinostrum says

        —-“Don’t confuse me with the facts”!!!!

    2. Louie says

      Obama will tweet the criminals to surrender their guns. He has a phone & pen, remember?

      1. livefree1200cc says

        He also sent out a lot of Obamaphones so they can all be reached

        1. Steve Thomas says

          Yes. They make BIG money illegally but still get free obama phones and gascards.

    3. chamuiel says

      just like he has in shitago?

  4. David Braun says

    President Obama decries gun violence and presses for more laws to
    restrict ownership, his Justice Department has prosecuted 25 percent
    fewer cases referred by the main law enforcement agency charged with
    reducing firearms violence across the country, a computer analysis of
    U.S. prosecution data shows. –

    obama is not interested in curbing “gun violence”. He is interested in completely and totally disarming the law abiding public and his goal is gun confiscation – NOT because it will save lives but because it will render the general public helpless against the state. He couldn’t give a sh!t about people protecting themselves against criminals or stopping school massacres or the like. None of the laws passed by the various states and federal government would have saved a single life! An armed citizen or school official, however, might have and probably would have!

    1. Brad Arkle says

      It all furthers the goal of one world gov’t. The so called new world order. To change a thing it must first be destroyed.

  5. trugrits says

    Does this really surprise anyone? They don’t enforce the gun control laws on the books now because they know they don’t deter crime so what is the point of making new laws? Just total ignorance and just to show or make people believe the politicians are actually for public safety. Politicians are out for one thing only CHA CHING!
    The best way to sell more is to hope more items get stolen from the working class. They aren’t stupid! Stopping crime to them is what’s stupid for the economy.

    1. grunion says

      Mostly apathetic people who don’t give a damn about anything but their wants. Americans are fixin’ to reap what the bastards in D.C. have sown.
      It’s going to get very weird, difficult and dangerous for a long spell in the near future.
      Pray for America and then do something. Volunteer, give money, run for office, anything to get your voice out and heard.

  6. Native Texan says

    Maybe these gun control folks can follow Hellary’s example of dealing with the Russians. You know just hit a reset button and all the criminals will start following the law!

    1. Arizona Don says

      I knew there was something we were missing – a reset button! Now that was simple!

  7. Mark Clemens says

    When are you peskey criminals going to learn to follow the laws?
    I read in a FBI report last year The HAMMER was the #1 murder weapon of choice. We have air powered nail drivers now. We should outlaw hammers before anybody else gets hurt/killed.
    And we should make everyone w/a nail gun REGISTER them, after all “Gun” is in the products name! What about Poisons? They kill people too. Shouldn’t we register every single person who buys a poison?
    If you think about it, there’s a lot of stuff in this world that can kill you. How about this deadly combination. …..DUI. Look how the justice department treats this. Its up to YOU not to do it. If YOU do it (and you might accidentally kill somebody) YOU go to jail (Even if you don’t kill anyone) . We don’t stop distilling booze, nor do we stop manufacturing automobiles. Why do politicians use guns as a scapegoat for people’s evil deeds?
    Y’all be careful out there……..

  8. Larry Cowden says

    The Colorado citizens are now dealing with the fact that their senators ripped them off of thousands of dollars for their new gun registration laws and they won’t give it back. They inflated their numbers on how much it would bring in in revenue, the costs to implement the laws, and they reaped it into their own pockets. Serves them right for believing any dam liberal polecat.

    1. Arizona Don says

      It is going to cost Colorado money because I and many other hunters will not travel to that state anymore. I feel sorry for the outfitters but they are going to have to let their elected officials know they should use their heads.

      1. jillocity says

        outfitters should move to other states…there are many that haven’t enacted restrictive gun laws…

    2. grunion says

      You mean it’s about money?

      1. Larry Cowden says

        Now it is. They took the taxpayers for half a million or more betting on about 450K would be caught up with registering guns and collecting those fees. Less than 10K people registered anything. They knew those gun laws wouldn’t work before they passed them.

  9. gary360 says

    We all know the media is swayed by bozo the clown. They couldn’t figure out that ‘his’ gun laws were aimed at law abiding citizen not the criminal. DAH!

  10. Redwhiteblu says

    it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that that if you take the guns away from the good guys…….then only the bad guys will have guns and they already don’t care about laws

  11. Peter Pan says

    Many Americans today feel a sense of dismay and horror as we see our country in a downward spiral; economically, morally, and politically. President Obama’s indifferent attitude and the continuous list of scandals and bad policy are leading the country to ruin. As an American I am reminded of the old saying “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” History believes that Nero himself may have set the great fire that burned a part of Rome during his leadership. Afterwards, he blamed it on the Christians who suffered great persecution under his rule. I see great similarities to what we are experiencing today. Obama fiddled, while the people witnessed the demise of America

    1. Arizona Don says

      obama fiddled while the people witnessed the demise of America CAUSED by obama!

  12. yaki534 says

    Oh, my goodness! Do you mean to say that criminals aren’t obeying the law? What a travesty of justice. I demand that our law enforcement out and arrest these villains right now!

  13. blackhawk132 says

    Stupid IS as stupid DOES.Stupidity must be a must for anyone seeking a government position. 2008 until 2014 surely proves my point.

  14. danny kimbrel says

    We already knew what the article states to be true, but let’s do a couple hundred million more studies before any liberal could be convinced of the truth, We need to get rid of a few alphabet soup agencies and start one new one that’s sole purpose is to prosecute any liberal fool that can’t look at a asinine law and tell that it is asinine ! or just outlaw liberalism it would be faster.

  15. bobfrommosinee says

    The next question would be, Since they have now legalized Pot, How much of the new gun crime is generated by that legalization, The Gangs are not just going to surrender their drug businesses to legal operations, any more than they would allow another gang to sell on their turf, Come to think of it, Most of the time the government acts just like those drug gangs.

    1. livefree1200cc says

      If its legal and you can grow your own illegal businesses can not thrive – no profit to be made

      1. bobfrommosinee says

        Really? Then why the bump in crime, also, Tell that to many of the victims of the Illegal Mexican Cartels, Yes people engaged in honest work that interferes with Cartel money making who end up in mass graves, or hanging from bridges gutted and beheaded because they cut into Cartel profits.

        1. livefree1200cc says

          legalize EVERYWHERE and there are no more cartels – its common sense – try it sometime. Do you think there were drug cartels before pot became illegal in 1938? Prohibition created the cartels. Just like alcohol prohibition (which also didn’t work) created the mob

          1. bobfrommosinee says

            Yes really, It is legal every where in Mexico, Or didn’t you know that? Yet look at how pervasive the Drug Cartels are, and drug crime is in Mexico, They still have Turf Wars over who controls the drug trade across Mexico, Legal and Illegal, No, It isn’t common sense, Powerful Criminal Syndicates Do not just fold up and die because something becomes legalized, They react as any other organism and protect themselves by attacking that which interferes with their survival.

          2. livefree1200cc says

            there is no real law in Mexico – the Cartels control the police – if there was law in Mexico the cartels would never get across our border to begin with. Besides, like I said, if every one of the 90 million Americans that have smoked pot could grow in their own in their backyard, how could the cartels possibly make a profit? Are they somehow going to go to every single persons back yard to destroy the crop?

          3. grunion says

            Remove the profit motive and the cartels will die on the vine or find another business in which to invest. It is common sense and has been demonstrated uncountable times.
            Prohibition and its repeal provides a weak but adequate example. Gangsters found new interests or products. Their decline had very little to do with law enforcement, it was legalization. Just ask the Kennedy’s about the family history around the that time.

            And because I am not sure how strongly you know history, one of them became a President.

          4. livefree1200cc says

            It is common sense, and YOU didn’t answer my question. DO YOU THINK THERE WERE DRUG CARTELS BEFORE THE US MADE POT ILLEGAL? The answer is NO, there weren’t any. US drug prohibition gave birth to the cartels and the crime that came with them, the same way alcohol prohibition gave birth to organized crime. Try to keep people from acquiring what they want, and they FIND a way to get it anyway. If 80 million people didn’t want pot instead of alcohol, there wouldn’t be such a large drug trade. And YES the cartels would just die off. If there was no longer any money to be made selling pot or any other drug for that matter, how would they stay in business? Only the government can lose money every year and still stay in business.

        2. livefree1200cc says

          so rather than blame illegal immigrants working for the cartels, you blame guns or you blame pot? and you are probably pro amnesty to boot

          1. bobfrommosinee says

            Yep, You are a real smoker, The Non sequitur of your reply is ample proof of how many brain cells you have lost.

            Now exactly where is the logic in your last statement???
            It is exactly those same illegal aliens, Not immigrants, That are the problem, They are the ones whom conduct the trade in illegal drugs and will do everything in their power to protect that trade, followed by those in this country who will do everything in their power to protect their drug sell turf, against the Illegal Aliens and Government that interferes with their economic survival.

          2. livefree1200cc says

            I have 2 college degrees – what about you? One of them is in Criminal Justice/Substance Abuse. I did say ‘illegal immigrants’ not just ‘immigrants’ – learn to read.

          3. Mark Clemens says

            You & Keith Richards are setting a bad example. Drugs are suppose to make you Dumb, Poor, and kill you before 30. How much longer can you two hang on?

          4. livefree1200cc says

            Ha ha – I think Keith Richards might already be a zombie

          5. grunion says

            And your point?

          6. livefree1200cc says

            My point, if you had any reading comprehension skills, is that I have not cooked all my brain cells like he suggested.

          7. grunion says

            I misunderstood and was not sure where you were going with your post. Now I come to find you are merely an arrogant ass with chip on his shoulder. I feel sorry for you.

          8. livefree1200cc says

            I was merely defending myself against his attack of my character and intelligence. Your reply was cryptic (appeared to be a wise ass remark) and seemed to be another attack. Anyone who had read the posts could have followed what was being said. If I was wrong about your intentions, I apologize. I tend to get fed up with liberal talking points and sometimes I lose my cool and lash out. Otherwise, thank you for feeling sorry for me, you’ll never know the warm fuzzy feeling I get knowing you care. Am I arrogant? Maybe sometimes. Am I an arrogant ass with a chip on my shoulder? No, I’m mostly just a ordinary ass, set in his ways

          9. grunion says

            While I agree with most everything you contend, you sir, are an arrogant ass.

          10. Mark Clemens says

            To me it looks like MONEY is the root of this gun & drug evil, maybe we should outlaw money?

        3. jillocity says

          you need to research some…statistics show that gun crimes are actually down, possibly due to some states refusing to make criminals of honest citizens, and actually prosecuting criminals…

          from the NIJ (National Institute of Justice):
          “Homicides committed with firearms peaked in 1993 at 17,075, after which the figure steadily fell, reaching a low of 10,117 in 1999. Gun-related homicides increased slightly after that, to a high of 11,547 in 2006, before falling again to 10,869 in 2008.”

          “As a percentage of all violent incidents (i.e., rape, sexual assault, robbery and aggravated assault), between 1993 and 2011, nonfatal gun crime has ranged from a high of 8 percent to a low of 5 percent. In 2011, firearm crimes comprised 8 percent of all violent crimes.’

          1. grunion says

            While gun ownership and sales soared to unprecedented new levels.

    2. Mark Clemens says

      Yea, the government sort of acts like a Drug Gang. Except for one little thing……… A Drug Gang does make a profit!!!!!!

  16. jetmagnet says

    The article leaves out the obvious facts!!!!

    Lawmakers drafting the background check requirement, aimed at keeping
    firearms away from those with a criminal history, relied on information
    from a non-partisan research arm of the Legislature that predicted about
    420,000 new reviews over the first two years. Accordingly, the research
    analysts estimated that the agency that conducts the checks needed an
    extra $3 million from the user fees to handle the anticipated surge of

    But after a year of operating under the new system, Colorado Bureau of
    Investigations officials have performed only about 13,600 reviews
    considered a result of the new law — about 7 percent of the estimated
    first year total. LMAO!!! I guess with only 13,000 reviews in the ENTIRE state it’s not curbing gun violence!!

    1. livefree1200cc says

      A criminal history shouldn’t be enough to ban you from owning a gun. This country has so many petty laws that 90% of us break laws every day. You’ve never driven over 55 or crossed the street against the light?- or jaywalked? – or left the house with no money in your pocket? Or failed to report the $20 you made mowing your neighbors lawn? My point is that even people with a criminal history should be able to defend themselves. Now if you use that gun to hurt someone else you should be locked up for a very long time. But once you served your sentence you should get all of your rights back. If they don’t feel you deserve to have all of your rights back – then they shouldn’t let you out

      1. jetmagnet says

        Nice post! I finally got a response from someone that isn’t making this a political issue everytime I post. I agree only if that criminal history isn’t violence related or crimes using a gun etc. Someone busted for marijuana for example should reasonably be able to own a gun.
        I do believe their should be a psychological testing, firearms training and a target recognition course for CWP applicants. The reason I’m here is I believe in stricter background sales, elimination of straw guns sales and monitored gun shows.
        If we can reduce the number of people who shouldn’t carry guns, we can reduce the death toll and violence and suicide. This is what most NRA members, Police chiefs, prosecutors and judges agree with.

        1. livefree1200cc says

          I do agree with firearms training. It really isn’t right that someone could own and use a gun with no instruction. That’s how people get hurt. Your philosophy on background checks is flawed though. Only honest citizens would submit to background checks or psychological evaluation. Criminals have never followed the rules to acquire a gun. So all of that stuff just makes it more of a pain for law abiding citizens to carry a weapon for protection. Something that is already a ‘given’ in the 2nd amendment. If someone wants to commit suicide, no gun registration or background check is going to stop that from happening. And you are wrong about most NRA members. Most do NOT want any more infringements on their 2nd amendment

  17. jetmagnet says

    Obama? Is only pushing for background checks which is supported by 73% o f NRA members and 90% of police chiefs!

    1. livefree1200cc says

      The 2nd amendment says – ‘shall not be infringed’ – guns don’t break laws – people do. Arrest them and prosecute them WHEN they break the law by hurting someone else

  18. TOM P O'DONNELL says


    1. livefree1200cc says

      Another bullshit comment. Legal marijuana will decrease crime associated with the plant. You fail to realize that marijuana is already smoked and used widely in EVERY state legal or not. The prohibition of marijuana is what causes the crimes. Remove the profit motive by legalizing and the crime aspect will decline

      1. cactusbob says

        Using that logic, we could eliminate crime completely merely by not having anything be against the law. I’m not ready for that, are you?

        1. livefree1200cc says

          First of all that would be just silly and doesn’t even compare with what I just said. A little over 10 years ago Portugal decriminalized all drugs. What people thought would happen, actually did at first. For a short period drug use went up. Then something unexpected happened. Once it wasn’t taboo and people got used to their new freedom, drug use went down. Right now drug use has been cut in half over a 10 year period. Crime also went down. The failed US drug war has been going on for over 40 years. After 40 years its easier to get drugs now than it ever was. Incarcerations cost the taxpayers BILLIONS. Families are broken up and people are killed by police. How long do you suggest we adhere to prohibition policies before we acknowledge that they don’t work? Did alcohol prohibition work? NO, in fact all it did was give birth to organized crime.

  19. Bob Riker says

    Colorado’s legalization of marijuana, is in reality is a Multiplier to Gun Violence. Along with other lines of Violence. It’s a proven fact add marijuana? Violent problems will arise. Have a crowd of people having fun? Then add Alcohol? Let the Crazies Begin. Soon you will see Knives, Baseball Bats, and possibly a Gun will appear. Then let something go wrong? What get’s the Blame? Guns. But Marijuana, and Alcohol are in fact the real Culprit. “Who is going to prove me wrong”?

    1. livefree1200cc says

      Bullshit – marijuana mellows people out. Alcohol definitely increases the chances of a crime being committed but not pot. Obviously you have never tried it or you wouldn’t say something so utterly assinine

      1. dondehoff says

        Sir, you tell only that part of the “story” that supports your case. Almost all hard drug users started with pot, which “sooner or later”, no longer gives many the original “results” and they move on to the “stronger stuff”. Also, you use the words, “mellows out”—-scientifically that means “less inhibitions”, which can mean a lot of things, good and bad—why does law enforcement cite people for “buzzed driving”, which is significantly on the increase, especially among the younger drivers. No, I have not “tried it”, one does not have to commit murder, to understand the ramifications of that crime—ditto for pot—the visible evidence is all around us, on the job, in school, in the bedroom, while driving—you name it. Surely you have heard of those insecure males who “mellow-out” the innocent young girls for pleasure. Assine? Sir, you mislead and take advantage of those who don’t follow in your footsteps and you insult the intelligence of all non-using citizens.

        1. livefree1200cc says

          The fallacy in your argument is the conclusions you came up with. You say hard drug users start with smoking pot. Pot is not addictive. As a matter of fact I bet I would be equally if not more correct to say that most hard drug users started with caffeine or nicotine – both of which are drugs more addictive than heroine. Commenting on the effects of pot or the actions of someone smoking it are meaningless unless you have tried it and experienced the effects. They are mild and enjoyable. Much the same as what many experience smoking a cigarette. Nobody buys an ounce of pot by the way, most buy an 1/8 of an ounce And nobody goes without food to buy pot either. Remember there is no addiction. Keep your uneducated tripe to yourself until you have researched the subject enough to comment on it.

          1. dondehoff says

            “livefree….”, my “uneducated tripe” consists only of what I find on the internet and the info I get from users that I know. In this case I ask Google and one of their many similar responses, included a paragraph from the “Foundation For a Drug-Free World”, (WWW// Paraphrased, it stated, (1) Frequent use of pot builds a “tolerance” which often leads users to stronger “stuff”. (2) Pot will “cover” many existing problems but when the “high” recedes, the problem(s) return(s), often of a greater magnitude. (3) The vast majority (99.9%), of cocaine users begin by using a “gateway-drug”, such as cigarettes, alcohol or pot. (4) Another study found that youths, 12 to 17 years old, had a 85 times more likelihood to start using cocaine, than kids who did not smoke pot. (4) 65% of kids who smoke pot before age 15, move on to cocaine.
            The pot users term of “getting mellow”, translates into medical jargon “relaxed inhibitions”—–and there are dozen of kinds of mechanical and electronic devices “out in the real world” that requires the strictest of attention—where a pot “high (buzz)” can cause problems. I now see many people of all adult ages, especially the younger ones, getting tickets for “buzzed driving”. I would not want you within a mile of my airplane. And I think you are “mixing metaphors”, when you claim pot is not addictive and the medical profession states it builds a “tolerance”—i.e., requires “more:” for the same effect. And the thought occurs to me that being “mellow” in the classroom surely must generate a “concentration” problem. Finally, here in Colorado, we have “over the counter” very controlled pot sales. Some of my friends say the average sale is 14 grams (1/2 ounce), in that the more one buys the less the cost per gram—admittedly the store is in a “well-to-do” neighbor hood, on a major highway. And, I think you have your head in the sand on pot purchases (at about 12 to 20 dollars a gram), not affecting the general quality of life—-one just has to look and see what the purchase of alcohol, cigarettes, electronic devices, 2nd automobiles, frequently do to family food budgets. However, I compliment you when you say your family “food” comes first. While perhaps not technically “addictive”, I can see where many have a greater “affinity” for pot than they do for necessities of family life. And you say I must “try it” before I can really understand it. That is unaltered “BS”; one does not have to get bombed on alcohol to see very clearly what that does to persons and entire families—and there are some drugs “out there”, where in a single “try” can get one hooked. Also, the more adults use pot, the more the children will do the same, due to its easy availability and the caviler attitude of people like you. So much for my “tripe”. Ciao

      2. Bob Riker says

        You are totally correct. I have never done a Drug in my Life other than what was prescribed by a Doctor. My Brother started out on marijuana. Which led to stronger Drugs. He died from Drugs at 50. I personal saw what marijuana did to him and the end results. So don’t spew your rants on me about marijuana, or any other Illegal Drug. Drugs Kill more people each year than Guns.

        1. livefree1200cc says

          First of all – I am sorry for your loss. However, Marijuana has never killed anyone. Marijuana is a plant, not a drug. If your brother moved on to deadly drugs, that was a choice he made. It was not marijuana that made him do it. So don’t spew your crap on me. You are correct that drugs kill more people than guns, mainly because a gun never killed anyone. People kill people, not guns. But you are dead wrong if you think illegal drugs kill more people than those who died from being murdered with a gun. The real killer – Prescription drugs in the US alone kill more people per year than all of the deaths worldwide from illicit drugs per year. But I haven’t heard you trying to ban prescription drugs yet.

          1. Bob Riker says

            *livefree1200cc* . There is a lot of truth in what you say. As for Pot? It does lead onto other stronger Drugs. You decision not to proceed father is a good choice. Me personally I am totally anti Drugs. So to debate me is to go no where.

          2. livefree1200cc says

            I have a degree in Criminal Justice/Substance Abuse, and because your statement isn’t based on scientific double blind studies, there is no way you can back up the claim that pot leads to stronger drugs (your link doesn’t work by the way). If you were to take a heroine user and examined him/her to see what caused the escalation you might find that in addition to pot, they were also taking caffeine or nicotine (both of which are highly addictive). They might have been given Ritalin or some other ‘legal’ drug for ADD or ADHD , or one of the many other ‘made up’ ailments, to curb their overzealous youth. In order to say that pot leads to strong drugs would mean that the majority (90% or more) people that have smoked pot now do hard drugs (and that isn’t anywhere near true). 90 Million people have admitted on survey’s that they have tried pot. I’m quite sure they are not all heroine users now. Most if not all of the hard drugs don’t compliment a pot buzz at all. Cigarettes and alcohol are more guilty of leading to hard drugs than pot but they are legal. I’m not trying to change your convictions or your life. I respect your right to live as you see fit. I would expect you to do the same. Until I hurt someone else, no one should care what I am doing. If/when I do hurt someone else I deserve the full wrath of the law.

  20. WhiteFalcon says

    Increased oppressive gun laws will lead to increased criminal gun violence. It happens every time, but stupid politicians can’t figure it out. Liberal politicians, who are actually nazies and commies, use the increased violence that they create to further push for the disarming of the people so that they can take over and rule us like Hitler and Satlin did in their countries. More and more I wonder if we need a huge revolt in this country against the tyranny that is being forced on us. I hope to see such a revolt in the comming election, but it coud be that it might take on a more physical form.

  21. Robert L. Rice says

    hickenflopper and obozo,2 of a kind………..

  22. jillocity says

    deaths by automobile in 2012 = 33,561

    deaths by gun violence in 2009 (could not find numbers for 2012, maybe someone else can?)

    Suicide: 18,735 deaths
    Homicide: 11,493 deaths
    Unintentional: 554 deaths
    Legal interventions: 333 deaths
    Undetermined: 232 deaths

    if you allow that suicides do not come under the category of “getting shot” (i submit that most, if not all, suicides will find a way, even if they don’t have a gun)…the deaths from gun violence are significantly less than the deaths by automobile: 12,611

    in support of the above submission (by myself)…from the CDC: In 2010, firearms were the most common method of death by suicide, accounting for a little more than half (50.6%) of all suicide deaths. The next most common methods were suffocation (including hangings) at 24.8% and poisoning at 17.3%…suicides will find a way, if there is no gun…CDC doesn’t have figures for years later than 2010

    1. livefree1200cc says

      Since 9/11 there have been more citizens killed by police in our country than the number of our soldiers killed by insurgents overseas. Now we have The Patriot Act, The NDAA, NSA spying, and the UN trying to disarm our whole country. In the USA you are 8X more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist. The government has no plans to make us safer with their laws

      1. jillocity says

        serve and protect has become cya…and if the choke hold kills, so what

        1. livefree1200cc says

          just adding to your comment fellow Patriot – don’t be offended

          1. jillocity says

            you are right…and no offense taken…

    2. grunion says

      Wonder how that compares to construction tools?

      1. jillocity says

        well, you know how dangerous NAIL GUNS are!!! they should be taxed, restricted, licensed, and whatever all else… 😀

      2. Mark Clemens says

        The Hammer is America’s #1 murder weapon of choice.

    3. Mark Clemens says

      Geez, how did people commit suicide, murder,and have wars before guns were invented? Life must of been tough.

  23. Warren Nelson says

    When you disarm the American People, there will be a higher crime rate, stupid is as stupid does.

  24. icemancold says

    WELL: Who ever said that GUN CONTROL NUTS were as smart as common sense people. If the laws we already have were enforced as written and if some one kills another then a MANDATORY DEATH sentence should be invoked with only one appeal and the sentence shall be carried out by FIRING SQUAD or HANGING !!.

  25. Rix says

    When New York City passed the law where you had to get a permit for a long gun, the crime rate went screaming up. Note b4 Bumberg. Under him, incarceration rate for felony firearm arrests was almost non existant.

  26. phil112 says

    No news here…..liberalism is a mental disease, and when your brain doesn’t work right, this is what you come up with.

  27. dondehoff says

    There is a much bigger picture to these gun issues than is being reported. With millions of people being out of work, and most work-hours being reduced, many people “are on the streets”. Violent crime in general, has increased and in those newer crimes guns are going to be used in about the same proportion as they always have been. The public assumes the increase in illegal gun use is tied just to the guns, when it is the overall increase in crimes that is the key factor. Unfortunately, the FBI and other law enforcement agencies are always about two years behind in posting such gun facts which, misleads the gullible public, and is exploited by the “gun-grabbers”. There will be a far greater increase in violent gun crimes if all guns are taken from the citizens—that is simple math. I suspect if our guns are taken , across the nation, violent crime will at least double and in the larger cities it will be by a factor of about ten—-does Chicago, Detroit and New York ring any bells? More importantly, just who is going to take responsibility for all of those increased deaths?—-“they” can’t blame it on “Bush”! On the “other side of the coin”, all gun owners and users should be restricted by age, mental capacity and firm training requirements, just as we do with automobiles, Note, I am 82 years young, a retired USAF officer and a 46-year plus, Life Member of the NRA.

  28. robertmccabe says

    You mean they are only finding out now that Obama is a liar?

  29. dwalk says

    legislators, especially in California, should be brought to realize they CREATE MUCH MORE CRIME THAN THEY SOLVE by some of the legislation they pass, or attempt to pass.

    thank goodness there are organizations such as the NRA, rifle and pistol owners assn, etc to combat these irrational, dysfunctional legislators.

    it has been proven, time and time again, FIREARMS themselves, are NOT the problem…

    firearms related deaths are far down the list in regards to fatalities, (even murder by firearms) in comparison to automobile accidents, accidental hospital deaths, drowning and even falls and yet firearms are singled out and demonized.

    what needs to be demonized is the way that firearms are MISused and those who choose to MISuse them.

    yes, there should be legal guidelines as to who may own/possess firearms…REASONABLE guidelines. i, personally, have no objections to a background check.

    it’s odd to me that the second amendment CLEARLY gives the citizens the right to own and bear firearms and cities like chicago, san francisco, new york city and morton grove ill., try to remove that right KNOWING is is unconstitutional, but try it anyway…

    firearms are far less destructive to the American way of life than our current administration.

    1. cactusbob says

      Colorado’s ineffective new gun laws will provide yet more additional proof that more restrictions on guns result in more violent crime. Glad I’m not a Colorado guinea pig. Some people learn hard.

      1. Arizona Don says

        We must reject the idea that every time a law is broken society is guilty rather then the law breaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. ~ President Ronald Reagan.

  30. Bertha Cobb says

    If they prosecute the laws we already have it will take too many murderers off the streets. If the murderers stay on the streets then Obama can continue to use them as tools for more gun laws then confiscation.

    1. Arizona Don says

      I understand your perspective however, “all” the guns will never be confiscated in the United States of America. Never! They cannot be on a national basis and the states will realize any attempt to do so will cause more problems then it could ever solve. Two wars were started within this country over an attempt to confiscate weapons. The power wishing to confiscate those weapons lost both times. If confiscation is tried again history will repeat itself. Any other thinking will be underestimating the resolve of the American people. Count on that.

      1. cactusbob says

        It’s likely that that resolve has been dissipated, along with a belief in God, family values, and morality. I am fearful should it come to a test. Progressives have done a real number on the citizens, and we will pay the price.

        1. jbftskj says

          You’re wrong; 68 MILLION legally armed Americans will never stand for government gun confiscation, NEVER! And you liberal dimwits should be grateful; this is our first line of defense against tyranny; the vote is the second. And Obozo and his minions know this. November will be the first Congressional housecleaning, and 2016 will be the second. The American public is fed up to the eyeballs with this gang of traitorous criminals in D.C.

  31. kestrel27 says

    Yea and those idiot’s are the American voters who keep stupidly re-electing the same twits who implement those rules. The DEMOCRATS are total low life scum bags, but the Republicans aren’t much better. Please don’t tell me the Libertarians are the answer because all they want is no laws so they can get stoned to the eyeballs with zero consequences. The difference between the Founders and people now is, the Founders cared about their Freedom and Liberty. The vast majority of Americans now are totally content with being controlled by government as long as they don’t have to assume any responsibility for their own lives or work very hard. In other word’s they really seem to enjoy letting the government be their Daddy and Mommy. Just as long as they get to watch Naked Survivor or American Idol, or some other idiotic “reality show” get wasted daily, look and act like total morons with no class, they are fine. Actually having to pull their heads out of their rectums and think about how government is abusing them, is apparently too much work and requires too much in the way of actually questioning what’s happening to them. Aldous Huxley in Brave New World and George Orwell saw it coming and unfortunately it’s here.

  32. Combatvet52 says

    When will the liberal idiots wake up, time to shove all your stupid laws where the sun don’t shine.

  33. alpambuena says

    another thing to add is that most gun crimes involve drugs…now that we have open borders with mexico, the Mexican drug cartels have had a field day of slipping 100’s of tons of drugs across the border into the u.s. another aspect of this border crises is that many of these young, so called, children, are actually ms-13 gang members, and have been initiated into the drug cartels to operate their trade in the u.s. Obama’s tyrannical government has been distributing these gang bangers all over the country, with no backround checks, and expecting them to show up for a immigration hearing (what a joke). crime for illegals has never gone down, and currently the crime numbers for illegals is rising, but somehow the mainstream media has put their political blinders on to this fact. it is a known mathematical formula in the law enforcement community…follow the money and drugs + make a lot of arrest + prosecute to the fullest = lower gun violence.

  34. kirkmcloren says

    Need to change the name of the Democrats to Pedocrats with all of Obuttholes ghey agenda.

  35. Valor says

    When will everyone realize that gun control laws (Almost all of them Unconstitutional) are not and never have been intended to stem crime and violence? They are and always have been designed to subjugate the public or certain segments of the public to government control. This is why every dictatorship in history has disarmed the “peasants”. Whether you like it or not, to the elitist ruling class all of us are considered peasants. The Second Amendment was NOT intended to protect hunting or shooting sports. It was placed in the Bill of Rights as a last defense against a totalitarian government which is exactly what Obama and his party desire.

  36. nana45 says

    Uh-Oh!! You mean….you mean….criminals aren’t …going…to obey the gun laws?!? I’m so shocked! I mean…how COULD they even THINK of doing such a thing?! (Please pardon the sarcasm; I just couldn’t help it.)

  37. MLM says

    I also think the stats from Chicago speak for themselves. Leave the legal citizens in fear, while obama and holder supply the mexican drug cartel with guns. Yeah makes perfect sense………To an IDIOT

  38. HardnoseMP says

    New gun laws have little or no affect on crime=the Liberal “gun free zones” have had a negative affect=creating a shooting zone for mentally unstable individuals that are cowards and know that they won’t be confronted =put armed security guards in every school !!!

  39. capa760 says

    Well, All US legal citizens should remember that The Obama and Holder leadership of the USA, are the OPERATION FAST and FURIOUS Accomplices, with the Los Zetas Cartel of Mexico and Texas. Los Zetas Kingpin Jesus Enrique Rejon Aguilar revealed that Zetas frequently purchases weapons directly from U.S. government officials inside America. Many American citizens have been killed, kidnapped, and never seen again, which have been tied to the Zetas Cartel, with illegal weapons sold by our nation’s top government officials, in Office.The OATH OF OFFICE is a joke to the foreign student President. Those not natural born to US Parents, and nor raised in America just DO NOT GET IT. We take our American ‘Founding Docu-
    ments seriously’. Our Right to Bear Arms for Our Protection from foreign evil. The Los Zetas Cartel have guns to sell back to American citizens…. because they can order more from Washington D.C.

  40. Alice Rozier Ballard says

    Lincoln Manifesto

  41. dhwilson58 says

    That’s because Obullshit is a special kind of stupid, Holder too. !!!

  42. Ron Kimball says

    The USA is run by politicians who are elected based on which ones have the most money to buy the election, there may be a few exceptions but very few.

    1. livefree1200cc says

      Its even worse than that – they are picked ahead of time. The Clinton’s didn’t have a lot of money when he took office. They were chosen for another reason. After Clinton negotiated ‘free trade’ agreements with China, all of our businesses started packing up and moving factories to China. He was picked because he was willing to sell us out. Just like Obama was picked because he is willing to ignore and trample the Constitution thanks to his socialist upbringing and American hating father. Bush was picked because he was willing to stage 9/11 in order to wage perpetual war in the Mid East (making his banker bosses richer) and nullify our 4th, 5th,and 8th amendments with The Patriot Act and NDAA. All the Presidents whether Democrat or Republican have had a hand in destroying our rights and our nation as we knew it. As I’ve said right along…the lessor of two evils is still evil – and we have been voting in that lessor evil for many decades now

      1. cactusbob says

        The lesser of the 2 evils may still be evil, but not as bad as the worse evil. We are now saddled with the worst of the worst: a blooming Islamunist!

  43. ElmoS says

    I have met the enemy of America and it is President Barack Hussein Obama and the Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, Communist and if you don’t believe me ask the people of our country. This inept president should resign and take his administration with him. Why is some of the people upset about the impeachment of the President, we can’t fire him as with a CEO of General Motors. While your at it impeach Eric Holder he is a real looser.

  44. Peter Pan says

    Wake up Obama time to go to jail, or maybe even the gallows.

  45. cleanwater2 says


    Do you know where the delinquent child is
    today(president Obama)?

    Do you know what he did yesterday? Do you really know what he

    Do you know what he and his gang of misfits are planning for

    Do you know what illegal and unconstitutional things Obama and
    his gang of misfits plan for tomorrow?

    Do you agree with what Obama and his

    If you really want to protect this
    country because you swore an oath to protect the Constitution then
    you and the members of the state legislatures better get your asses
    in gear!!

    There is a Constitutional way to do
    it! Off course by the time all the make believe lawyers
    (politicians) figure out what the Founding Fathers had in mind 240
    years ago , it would be too late because Obama will be intrenched as
    Dictator Obama.

    Look at the highlighted section below.

    president is the appointee of the majority of states by the wisdom
    of the Electors chosen by the states (Article II section 1). If the
    person chosen by the Electors proves to be a misfit, the States have
    the responsibility to remove the misfit from office. As a majority
    of states put him in office an act by the majority of the states (26
    ) can remove him from office.

    this action is not specifically elaborated, there is the 10th
    Amendment that Reserves to the states any powers not delineated
    elsewhere in the constitution.

    the Obama administration turning loose children and adults with known
    diseases into communities all over the United States, he is starting
    an epidemic. This is a crime against humanity. He must be arrested
    immediately, This is a national health crime. This is no accident of
    politics it is the plan started by Ezekiel
    Emanuel a close friend of Obama he wants to reduce world
    population, therefore just start an epidemic, small pox , Ebola,
    Black plague, Swine flu etc.

    Just bring in illegal aliens house them make sure they have a
    disease them turn them loose in your town. This is biological

    There is no need to impeach Obama, this is a violation of
    international law. Starting a health epidemic. The Secret Service
    should arrest him and lock him up for life.
    Eric Holder as
    Attorney General should be arrested as an accomplice for not
    stopping him. John Boehner should be arrested as a co conspirator
    for not investigating if Obama is legally president.

    Of course the elite of both the
    Democrat party and the Republican party have been aware and support
    this crime against humanity.

    The state legislatures can remove
    Obama under the Ten Amendment powers.

    Remove the Muslim Brotherhood
    terrorist –traitor!

    When a crime has been committed a
    sheriff has the authority and responsibility to arrest the
    criminal. Obama has broken the laws of this country the
    Constitution .Obama in his own words admired in the 1991 Harvard
    review that he was born in Kenya.
    Western Journalism
    Sun, 10:01 AM In Case You Missed It…

    Thus he committed perjury by taking
    the oath of office to support the constitution when already
    violated it’s requirement of being a native born American. His
    violation of the Constitutions has continually ever since. Why
    haven’t the members of Congress taken action ? Every member of
    Congress have committed treason and should be removed and tried.

    The people must take action. The
    sheriffs or the governess must take action to arrest this
    imposer/dictator now.

    When a CEO of a corporation fails(
    no profit) ,he is removed by the board of Directors or the stock

    It time to remove the failed CEO of
    the United States of America.

    There is a legal way to remove Obama
    and all his henchmen but it will take a real patriot to lead the

    president is the appointee of the majority of states by the wisdom
    of the Electors chosen by the states (Article II section 1). If
    the person chosen by the Electors proves to be a misfit, the
    States have the responsibility to remove the misfit from office.
    As a majority of states put him in office an act by the majority
    of the states (26 ) can remove him from office.

    this action is not specifically elaborated, there is the 10th
    Amendment that Reserves to the states any powers not delineated
    elsewhere in the constitution.

    The pretend department of justice
    will challenge this action so the Supreme Court may have to rule
    on this. We cannot let the Supreme Court keep the unfit pretend
    president in office. At least one or two Supreme Court Justices
    will have to rescue themselves because they were part of the team
    that hide Obama’s records.

    Forward this to your state legislature, now. o r the secretary of
    State of your state. Here is a link.

    The following link will get you to a link to your state

  46. jim_wright says

    These gun control laws were never intended to have any effect on crime. The gun control laws were only intended to control law abiding U.S. Citizens. Gun control laws will never have any effect upon criminals because they do not care about or follow laws, they are after all criminals. We need to remove any politican who supported this unconstitutional attack on our ability to defend ourselves.

  47. gangbuster says

    This is like i said before its more and more bull shit,, I’m a retired police officer and i alwys carry a fire arm and i tell aot of people to have one handy.. Remember one thing its better to have one and not need it then to need one and not have it

    1. cactusbob says

      Guns and parachutes have one thing in common: If you don’t have it when you need it, you’ll probably never need it again.

      Obama will probably work toward requiring registration and permits for parachutes before long.

  48. gangbuster says

    The best thing is to just impeach obama and get it over with,, all he’s good for is screwing up a wet dream.

  49. CQQL33 says

    How ’bout this, if you hold up a convenient store and take money you get jailed for 5 years or more depending on the seriousness of the crime committed. If you use a gun in perform this robbery the law should tack on an mandatory 15 more years because a gun was used in perpetrating the crime. An automatic 15 years more because of a gun used in the perpetrating of this crime. Simple and I believe most common sense people would support this law.

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  51. don76550 says

    People of Colorado vote the marxist democrats out. They think our bill if rights is just so much toilet paper

    1. cactusbob says

      And anyone who says they don’t vote for the Party, they vote for the man (woman), they are deluding themselves. Many former Democrats are now Republicans, because the Democrat Party has morphed into socialism and communism. The “Democrats” rule by giving favors and money. If Democrats want campaign funds, they have to earn it by doing Obama’s bidding. That means they have to participate in the destruction of the nation. Go to, click on the “Border Patrol Agent” link, and see Zack Taylor’s videos on the real immigration picture.

  52. 1uncle says

    Didn’t help Chicago much either. Demos.

  53. gangbuster says

    I swear them assholes that are against us law obiding citizens that carry a fire arm or want to must be working for them gangbangers,, or OBAMA and all his stooges.

  54. yaki534 says

    It is time for the idiotic liberals realize one thing: criminals do not obey the law. Surprise!

  55. Cranky Steven says

    What? Gun laws don’t work? That can’t be true! Look how peaceful NYC is! Or Detroit. Or Chicago. Oh, wait, they arent’. Back to the drawing board.

  56. DaveM says


  57. gangbuster says

    Sometimes i wonder if them assholes on capital hill studdied to get like this,, you cant fix stupid.

  58. donl says

    I have studied some world history, not a lot but enough to understand NO GUNS, NO FREEDOM. I have read and watched documentaries on Stalin, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, and Castro. One of the first things they did was to disarm the people. Cuba was a prime example, they told the people they needed their guns to fight the Americans, Castro told them they were all Democrats, later he told them they were all socialists, then finally Communists.

  59. PassGas says

    Everytime there is a shooting they make a new law for law-abiding citizens. Should they not punish the law breakers instead of the law-abiding citizen? They are focusing on the wrong people. Just make tougher punishment for the law-breakers. Or just enforce the laws in the books.

  60. nanap says

    Makes lots of sense! Pass a law to control guns. At the same time, legalize marijuana. Now you have someone who wants some marijuana but can’t afford it. Or he/she can get the marijuana which emboldens them to do some wild thing, like rob a convenience store. No problem, guns are controlled so crime is controlled. Nice “head in the sands” there! Guns are controlled EXCEPT from criminals. If criminals want them, they can get them regardless of your gun control law.

  61. Jane Spaulding says

    Well the Western Slope is not going to grant Hickenlooper the Courtesy of even trying the Law out. He is a farce and so is his Laws.

  62. Laurence Almand says

    Obummer’s home city of Chicago has some of the worst anti-gun laws in the nation, and also one of the highest murder rates. Yet the politicians deliberately ignore this fact.

  63. jbftskj says

    I love it; the cities and states with the most stringent gun laws usually have the highest murder-by-gun rate! NYC, Chikill, LA, DC, Boston, Detroit, etc. etc. Makes states like Idaho, Montana, Utah, Kansas look like the safest places to live, and own a gun without the state panting to control them. However, liberals’ mental illness prevents them from accepting these facts, to the detriment of the rest of us sane folks.

  64. marshmil says

    These gun control advocates have never accomplished anything of socially redeeming value. They have sat most of their lives in libraries looking up information or reading but never getting out into the real world. They don’t seem to realize there are evil people loose in society who have no use or respect for laws. The possibility of a bullet thru the head is the only language thugs think about. Law abiding citizens don’t need gun control. It was programmed into them early in life by responsible parents, school teachers and other law abiding citizens. Why do we need to keep running this issue? And while we are on the subject, Dianne Feinstein needs to be run out of the country. She is a disgrace to the US Senate with her stupid gun control ideas.

  65. Viperkat says

    If Politicians do not have individual responsibility, how can they expect individual citizens to have any responsibility? If Politicians don’t respect the law, or the citizens, how can they expect that the citizenry will follow the laws, or respect each other? Politicians are expected to be the example… someone for others to look up to.
    The Politicians, with few exceptions, do not respect the citizens that put them in office. They lie, cheat and steal to win the election, then do what they want to do, but they take care of themselves first!
    Until the elected politicians learn to respect the citizens, our government will continue to be a retirement center for cowards and crooks. And We, the People, have let it happen by not holding them responsible for their activities.

  66. Vinnie S. says


  67. Jack says

    //Who voted those)??) into office

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