Concealed Carry – Are You Making These Five Mistakes?

175

A group of proud gun owners is filing suit against Ohio State University, claiming that the school’s code of conduct violates state law by prohibiting students from keeping guns in their vehicles and wearing them while representing the school in off-campus events. The Students for Concealed Carry Foundation say that the school’s code comes into conflict with state law that permits exceptions to university gun bans. These exceptions include carrying a gun in a locked car, an exemption not recognized by OSU’s policy.

While we wish the group good luck with their lawsuit, this seemed like a perfect opportunity to talk about concealed carry in general. Unfortunately, a small minority of handgun owners make things more difficult for the rest of us by making serious errors in judgment when exercising their concealed-carry privilege. Here are five mistakes to watch out for.

#1 – A lack of training
Owning a handgun and carrying a license isn’t enough. In many states, the bar to get your concealed weapons permit is set fairly low. This is probably as it should be, but that only puts the impetus on the owner himself. Do yourself a favor and get properly trained on your firearm. It could mean the difference if you ever find yourself in a position to use it.

#2 – Unintentional exposure
One of the easiest mistakes to make when carrying a gun is accidental exposure. Whenever possible, your aim should be to disguise the fact that you have a weapon on you. Printing is a common error, the type of thing that happens when the outline of your pistol pushes tellingly against your shirt or pants. Check yourself in a mirror before you head out into public.

#3 – Not enough practice
Getting trained is important, but heading to the range for regular practice may be even more essential. Shooting a gun isn’t like riding a bike. You need to be at the top of your skills if you intend to respond effectively in a crisis. Adrenaline is good for readying your body for all-out assault, but it isn’t going to improve your gun-handling skills when you’re staring down a threat. For that, you need hours of practice.

#4 – Going cheap on the holster
There are plenty of decent, inexpensive holsters on the market, but you have to be careful about digging too deeply into the bargain bin. Holsters made cheaply will not support your firearm the way you need them to on a daily basis. Anyone who has been carrying for a while probably has a collection of discarded holsters that didn’t get the job done. If you spend a little time researching beforehand, you stand a better chance of getting it right the first time.

#5 – Telegraphing your arms
Telegraphing simply means telling others through hints and clues that you are carrying a weapon. This is a temptation for many who feel that they can keep trouble at bay by warning bad guys with pro-gun paraphernalia, comments that suggest a hidden weapon, and other ill-advised ideas. This rarely has the intended effect, and it can even make you a target if you aren’t careful. If someone puts your life in danger, the fact that you have a gun should come as a surprise. Besides, you’re probably coming off as insufferably obnoxious if you feel the need to alert the world that you’re carrying a gun.

175 Comments
  1. Ddenney1 says

    I still think the problem is the concealed part! I do not carry a gun except on trips out of town but if I did it seems that it should visible so everybody is up with it! TRYING and COMMON sense should prevail! The second amendment should be the ONLY permit required other than prof of training!

    1. supergun says

      Good.

    2. Allen Benge says

      As a former police officer, I must respectfully disagree with Ddenney1. First, a CCW should be part of your normal life. Why do you carry on out of town trips, but not at home? I prefer concealed carry on tactical reasoning. If you are someplace and an active shooter comes in the door, who is the first person he shoots? The guy with a gun, that’s who. With the recent rash of mass shootings and home invasions, I put my sidearm on when I dress in the morning. I can understand the thinking behind Willie Nelson’s ‘Pancho and Lefty,’ and that was fine in the Old West. However, I want to be like the 71-year old former Marine who shot a would be holdup man with his legal concealed weapon. Tactics carry the day. I do not want to be like the guy who attempted to draw on a man with a gun already aimed at him. Use cover, then draw and engage from a position of advantage. Stay strong, stay safe.

      1. John says

        Agreed. It is training that will keep a person alive in a gun fight, not the movies. As a retired military member, we were thought to first use common sense during combat, and though things will be happening quite fast at that point. It is tough’s that use their heads that stay alive. We were thought in the military, that you train the way you fight, which means in short you are to train with the firearm you will be carrying.

      2. 2EdgedSword says

        Excellent advice; and to affirm and reinforce: the individual, not just the weapon must be concealed. Advanced training should include what is provided spec ops: moving through an environment without sticking out – hidden in plain sight. A non-weaponized course might help some to live their day without being provocative, testy, or obsessing on capturing every eye in the room. Good not only for women, but the egocentric males among us.

      3. rightsmite says

        I agree with you. First of all, there is no substitute for training when it comes to handguns. In this day of liberals and an apparent increase in the number of criminals and psychopaths, concealed carry would seem the superior way to carry. Many years ago when I was young and brave and maybe stupid, I went through training to be a police officer. One of the things they tested us for was upper body strength and hand grip strength as well as the ability to hold onto a weapon regardless of whether your hand was in front or behind you or being wrestled away from you. We were told that too many police officers are shot with their own gun that is taken away from them by a perpetrator. I think open carry makes a perfect target for one of these “nuts” in today’s society or some crazy lib that wants to make a statement by grabbing your gun. Open carry might also fan the flames of anti gun nuts and result in a bigger push for confiscation. Concealed carry is better. Out of sight. Out of mind.

        1. PikeRver says

          rightismite, could you please point me to a site to back up your “some crazy lib that wants to make a statement by grabbing your gun” claim. I have never heard of that happening. I am pretty liberal and I don’t care if you want to CC. As for open carry…If I was a bad guy the first person I would eliminate would be the person I knew was armed. You said you went through training to be a police officer and some, but I am sure not all, of the things you were trained and tested for. Folks like you who CC do not bother me in the least its the people who get a permit, buy a weapon, fire it couple times a year and think they are ‘qualified” to carry. To paraphrase Ron White “I had the right to carry but not the ability” In the 2012 Aurora shooting, what percent of people who CC do you think would have had the ability, experience and nerve to stop a gunman in a smoke filled theater full of screaming, dying people, I don’t care how man rounds you have fired or how many you can put in a silhouette at the range, a situation that even the most experienced combat veteran or police officer would say would be their worst nightmare yet when it happened I saw comments on sites saying “If I was there I would have……” . Yes owning guns is a right protected by the Constitution but it it is also deadly business not to be taken lightly.
          Please note I did not use any terms like gun nuts. I am not some “crazy lib”. My Mother always said that any discussion that resorts to calling people names loses a lot. Your post was well put and thoughtful.

          1. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            PikeRver

            rightsmite

            21 days ago

            rightismite, could you please point me to a site to back up your
            “some crazy lib that wants to make a statement by grabbing your gun”
            claim.

            http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=13677

        2. 094870 says

          Great idea. But how many will do just that. I see on youtube that some nuts walk around their homes with slinged rifles on their backs and tell you that they have a right to do it . That is the wrong way to do it . The only time that I did it that way is when I was in combat, in three different wars. Cuba, nam, and desert storm, not in my own place of living. Don’t be a fool and do it that way (in your own home area).

          1. rightsmite says

            Anyone that walks around the house with a rifle over their shoulder must have at least one screw loose. If we were at war I might consider that but otherwise it’s kind of silly. I have several guns. Only one is where I can get to it, the rest are in a gun safe where no one including me can get to them 🙁

      4. RobGoetzSr says

        Excellent Comment! Very well put. Since we are on the subject, and as I live in Chicago, I would like to see the Police Departments open their range facilities to CCW Licencees… for the purpose of maintaing proficency and creating a closer bond with law enforcement. After all, these facilities are taxpayer funded.

        1. Poodleguy says

          Yeah, but you are in Chicago, an active liberal political whorehouse….

      5. NEVER wrong, got it? says

        A CCW is unconstitutional! You aren’t supposed to get ‘permission’ to exercise ANY rights.

      6. NEVER wrong, got it? says

        Allen Benge

        Ddenney1

        2 months ago

        As a former police officer, I must respectfully disagree with Ddenney1. First, a CCW should be part of your normal life.

        Really? How come you have to get a LICENSE and friggin background check?
        I won’t do any of that.

    3. Steve Thomas says

      The training and practice are for your benefit.

    4. icemancold says

      THE GUN Being visible tells the bad guy who wants a gun here is one take it. Unless you have it in a LEVEL THREE or FOUR RETENTION holster it is real easy for some one to walk up and grab the gun. Then you are the corpse on the ground.

  2. James Allen Wyatt says

    OPEN CARRY;
    I am not into questioning the right to OPEN CARRY but I AM QUESTIONING THE WISDOM OF DOING SO. I just believe WEARING CONCEALED is much the better for many reasons, Think about it. True. Open Carry might cause a roving assault bent idiot to seek another victim . . . but, by the same token, consider these idiot airheads that roam around free, their numbers like termite or roach infestations, seeming forever trying to attract attention and entertain and impress their peers with taunting . . . and an “open carrying’ person makes a prime target, especially in a public setting; a setting where one might be tempted to respond forcefully and that would just potentially destroy one entire future. . No one in their right mind seeks confrontation, either with these ‘juvenile minded perks’ or cops who seem to be moving into that same category with similar motivation.

    (For the record, I literally grew up with firearms, all my spare time spent in Dad’s shop where he built custom hunting rifles along with doing the usual gunsmithing, casting bullets and loading handgun ctgs. and I have carried concealed in a brief case on occasions but mostly worn concealed for some 60+ years now in the worst most hostile anti gun locations such Chicago/Cook County back in the early 1960s when assigned to my new employer’s district office – that long before there was anything like Permits available. so I’m not just whistling “Yankee Doodle”, having “been there and done that”!

    1. DenverKitty says

      James Allen, “I’m which (with) you!” God bless America!

    2. Kenny B says

      I am a retired 33 year cop. I think open carry and telegraphing is an advantage to the bad guy. I like the element of surprise. If the perp saw your weaponhe could just hang out and back shoot you.

      1. NEVER wrong, got it? says

        Seems to me that since it is so dangerous out there, all gun laws should be canned and everyone allowed to CC, transport, buy, sell, etc.

        Everyone has the right to protect themselves, others, and their property.
        And in this day and age, the gun is the only sensible way to do it.

        If someone is so bad they should be allowed a gun they why aren’t they locked up?

        1. 094870 says

          Because this administration does not want it to be that way. It won’t give them an excuse to inact Marshell Law. Right?

          1. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            correct. All tyrants in history deprived their peoples of arms so they could not resist.

    3. dhwilson58 says

      I totally agree with you Sir. Iva also been open carrying over thirty years, before all this political BS started. As a teenager, I had my share with law enforcement pulling me over without one incident involving of a gun sitting on my dash when the cop walked up to my pick up’s window. Now, at fifty five years old and a CCW, I conceal carry. The problem is these people strapping a M4 around their neck to go to the corner store or walmart just because they can. With all the hype and legal fighting going on with the anti gun idiots, does anyone really need to go buy a bag of cookies at walmart with a M4 carbine hanging around their neck? These are the people that are going to cost us our gun rights and give the anti gun side all the ammunition they need to strip us of our second amendment. How about trying…”Out of sight out of mind”. Yep, Conceal carry is the way to go in today’s world.

      1. leadfoot320 says

        THE PROBLEM IS OPEN CARRY IN THEIR STATE ! In their state thy can carry open a long gun but not a HAND GUN ! They are trying to get that changed. I have been in open carry states and seen many open carry. It doesn’t seem to bother anybody. I carry CCW most of the time in town, and carry open in the country. My wife went in to vote, forgetting she had her gun on and nobody even noticed!

        I’M TOO OLD TO FIGHT, TOO SLOW TO RUN THEREFORE I CARRY !

        1. NEVER wrong, got it? says

          same here but can’t shoot steady or see well. LOL

          1. leadfoot320 says

            I DON’T SHOOT AS WELL AS I DID YEARS AGO. EYES ARE STILL O.K. BUT THE HEARING IS GETTING BAD.

          2. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            Ahh. Too many screaming woen over the years I take it? LOL

    4. 094870 says

      Are you an office of the law ?

    5. NEVER wrong, got it? says

      In the old west, people did both. Open carry and concealed carry.

      Open carry was proof to a criminal that you must think twice about committing a crime.
      Concealed carry usually meant that you could harm someone long before they could defend themselves.

  3. Fred762 says

    OC and CC are both legal in TN after you pass a simple test for laws and a practical shooting qual test..Simple and “shall issue” for the last 20 years. Practically speaking, I prefer concealed for several reasons: 1. it draws no attention to me or the weapon, making me just another Joe 6pak.in the crowd…2.. I don’t have to spend any time trying to keep the weapon from being taken away by a perp 3. I don’t have to worry about some hot-azz cop trying to hassle me.

    1. supergun says

      Goood.

    2. Poodleguy says

      CCW is legal now in Az if you are a law abiding citizen & that is the ONLY prerequisite. I live in Az.

      1. NEVER wrong, got it? says

        Still, the problem is that everyone is a law breaker. NO ONE is ‘law abiding’.

        1. Banjo says

          Just because you are not, does not mean that others are not!

          1. markypolo says

            I break the Law every chance I get. lol.

          2. hecuba says

            If
            anyone thinks they are law-abiding, then they are ignorant of the
            current laws. With selective enforcement, anyone can be
            legitimately sent to federal prison. Have you ever had a yard
            sale and didn’t have older toys and books certified as to lead
            content? Have you ever thrown a bandaid, a diaper, a kleenex, a
            tampon in regular trash and not special biohazard? Just 2
            examples… Federal laws = federal prison!

          3. Banjo says

            Ummm…please clarify how bandaids and diapers have anything to do with concealed carry as it applies to being law-abiding? That is what we were discussing…right? We were not talking about arbitrary refuse regulations!

          4. WhiteFalcon says

            What you say is true. You can’t fart in this country without breaking someone’s law. It is really stupid, and some of the worst lawbreakers are the people that are creating the laws.

          5. Rattlerjake says

            You’re wrong! Just because there is an unconstitutional law doesn’t mean you are a law breaker. 90% of laws on the books are unconstitutional, both federal and state. Problem is that people cower to the power and refuse to fight these laws, most of which could be nullified.
            Example: The EPA doesn’t allow you to drill a well on your property without their “permission”, you are required to get a permit in most states/counties/cities to do so, so where in the Constitution is the government given permission to dictate your property rights.

        2. George Bumgardner says

          Wow, such a view of people, not sure you are anyone to count on in a serious situation anyway….

      2. 609th Air Commando says

        CCW HAS BEEN LEGAL for over the last 20 years, where have you been? And for the last 5 years or so, open carry without a CCW has been legal … !

        1. Poodleguy says

          My point was CCW WITHOUT A PERMIT was made legal fairly recently & FYI I have been right here in Az, wiseass & I am a hunter, expert long range shooter, gun collector & NRA member as well as a 9 yr veteran, US Army. I had a CCW permit back when you had to go thru 16 hrs of training, in 1998. You may also take the class to obtain a CCW permit that is recognized in reciprocity with states having CCW permits.

          1. 609th Air Commando says

            Ok you want to play this game?? Apparently you are not aware that a CCW is the PERMIT, there aren’t any other permits, but a CCW !

            Ooohh I did this and I did that, … wow, I’m really impressed. I’ve got news for you little boy, I’ve been carrying since before you ever started to sh!t yellow!

            You’ve opened you mouth and now proved you are a total idiot … !
            Take a aviated intercourse at a motivated piece of pastry, little boy.

            I don’t start things, ,….. I finish them!

            Commando’s stomp army into the mud where you belong!

            That’s my last word on the subject … !!! Adios little boy.

          2. margova says

            Sit down and shut-up, Francis. Commandos.. hahaha! 1 USMC recon = 10 commandos. Know your limitations.. lol
            CCW’s are for wimps. Besides, when you’re pulled over by a cop, he knows you have a ccw. Some element of surprise. If you want to conceal-carry…. then, conceal-carry. The Constitution is your permit. You don’t need to ask permission from a bunch of piss-ants. They aren’t anyones boss.

          3. Rattlerjake says

            Well said Margova! There’s nothing worse than a couple of arm-chair heroes fighting for bragging rights. I’m in North Carolina, where a “permit” is still required for CCW and open carry has “always” been legal without permit, and I refuse to pay for a permit when the Constitution protects that right. As a 22 year Special Forces veteran I find it pathetically degrading, besides unconstitutional and illegal, to be forced to take BS classes, prove my proficiency, and then pay to exercise my rights; especially when on numerous occasions me and my detachment provided numerous law enforcement officers (Including law enforcement in Sierra Visa, AZ and Albuquerque, NM in the early ’80s) on weapons and CQB. The day that I am arrested and charged with conceal carry without a permit will be the day NC bites off more than they can chew!!

            Poodleguy, you should have been specific and stated without permit; and “commando” you need to stop with the holier than thou attitude and give additional detail without getting belligerent. We need to stop fighting amongst ourselves, pat each other on the back, and make sure that when we INFORM we are not vague and don’t mislead!

            Now shake hands and go have a cold one!

          4. Mark Lahti says

            Right on Rattler. We are all in the same company, i.e. true American patriots with a love for our constitutional rights. We don’t have to get all rowdy and loud about how much cooler we think we are. If all these guys were gathered together at a gun show and talking about guns only the truly obnoxious ones would be getting that riled up. Those are the ones that will draw attention to themselves and cause a problem. We are American patriots and we need to be together on this and show some solidarity against the socialist regime that is dragging our great country into the sewer.

          5. templepearson says

            You seem quite sure of your statement that a cop “knows” you have CCW permit. Let’s say you borrow a friend’s car, or you are driving your spouse’s car. Tell me EXACTLY how an LEO knows that you, the driver, have a CCW permit before he interacts with you.

          6. Vernon Cunningham says

            your argument with poodleguy is funny. So, here is my bonafides. I served in the United States marine Corps. I was a corpora E4 when I finished my enlistment. Also I have owned a weapon since I was 7 years old. being a Marine was a great thing in my life, and I love the Corps. I now own 2 dozen weapons. I collect, and I go to the range regularly. Fellows, isn’t it more important to see that all citizens that desire so to own and be able to carry personal protection? That is one reason I served my country. Our military service and pride is secondary to the reasons we served. I also take people ypoung and old who are interested to range practice and safety.The youngest is 7 years old. She has her own little 22 rifle. we need to work together to ensure that our rights are protected. And we exercise those rights safely.

          7. al.k says

            Hey let him brag, just like someone telling you what all they are going to do to you when trying to pick a fight, I am not to concerned about the ones that tell you as the ones who don’t, but back to the issue, we can all share and learn a few things from each other if we don’t get heady and high minded, I like to learn from people who really know what they are talking about, we don’t need to argue to see who is the biggest knowetal.

          8. Poodleguy says

            Bull$hit! you’re nothing but an imitation badass! A CCW permit is just that. However, ccw is just an abbreviation of “carry conceal weapon”, you horse’s a$$…….

          9. Vernon Cunningham says

            Boy aren’t we testy today. I served in the Marine Corps. I too am a gun collector, NRA LIFE member for many years, patriot, and a retired great grandpa any times over. When you brag about finishing things it only shows you lack something in your life. we all meet someone that is better. I had to apply for a CCW in Illinois even though I already have a permit from Utah. The laws are crazy And I have had a gun since I was 7 years old,. That is no big thing. The main point is, the state and federal government has found ways to inconvenience us, no matter our status, and found ways to get money from us for a right that is uncontestable. ” shall not be infringed” has been replaced with ” you got to have government permission”. make up and join the real fight boys.

        2. Larry Wilson says

          Open carry has been legal here in Arizona for a long time yes. I still have my CCW even when they passed the new conceal carry laws just several years ago with out a permit. It was passed in July 2010. I reason I have mine is that many states have reciprocity with Arizona. I am a 28+ year Army Vet!

          1. Rattlerjake says

            Legality has NOTHING to do with it. 99% of the laws in this country are unconstitutional and are designed to do two things, produce more revenue for government and to control the liberty of the people. Just because you passed a government issued test and they issued you a permit (after you pay the required fee) doesn’t mean you are a better electrician. What it does is restricts who can do electrical work, and increases the price of electrical jobs; and it is the same for anything permitted.

    3. NEVER wrong, got it? says

      Then even so called wife beaters, mentally ill, and felons can carry?

      If soeone is so bad they cannot be trusted with guns, then why aren’t they locked up?

      1. dhwilson58 says

        I believe he said “law abiding”

        1. NEVER wrong, got it? says

          Problem is that NO ONE is ‘law abiding’…

          1. taffytee says

            You didn’t get this comment RIGHT, got it?

          2. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            “There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
            ― Ayn Rand

            “We say keep your change, we’ll keep our God, our guns, our constitution.” – Sara Palin

          3. rockyvnvmc says

            Samuel Colt’s invention was called ‘The Great Equalizer’ as it enabled smaller, weaker, older and less energetic persons (male and female alike) to defend themselves against assault by those who were younger, larger, stronger and of evil intent.
            It remains true, to this very day, that some persons will bully others into giving them their way, up to and including using violence to achieve their ends.
            There is absolutely nothing wrong with defending oneself against predation. In fact it can honestly be said that removing said predators is doing society a favor. Having said that, I do NOT recommend seeking out anyone with the intention of removing them from society. That is the job of the police and the courts. Nonetheless, there are indeed times when there is nothing else to do, but fight and if you’re getting older and are disabled, as I am, then your best defense is a firearm.
            When I was a much younger man, I wasn’t afraid to fight with anyone, regardless of how much bigger than I, they were. I had to fight the school football center, two years running, in spite of the fact that he out weighed me by at least one hundred pounds. He started it Both Times. He beat me both times as well, but the young are capable of a quick recovery. Today, I’m far old and disabled. Any effort to exert the torque required to throw a punch or a kick would throw my back out and put me at their mercy and that’s if my legs don’t give out on me first. One, naturally, goes up the use of force continuum quite rapidly, in such an instance.
            I’ve been legally carrying a pistol daily, for the past 18 years. I have never even had to warn anyone, much less show it to anyone. I have no desire to shoot anyone and fervently hope that I never have to do so.
            There are those in society who are sheep and then there are wolves. Thankfully, there are also those who are ‘sheepdogs’. The military, law enforcement, security officers and legally armed citizens. In fact, I could go so far as to say, that it is one’s civic responsibility to go armed, order to help protect your community. The police usually arrive After the fact and take a report. They almost never get there when you need them to save your life. In fact, a federal judge ruled decades back, that the police do Not have a responsibility to protect the individual citizen, merely society at large. Which is what led to the plethora of ‘Shall Issue’ CCW laws. If those whom we hire to protect us, are not required by law to do so, then who’s job IS it ? It’s our Own !
            ‘Who are the militia ? It is All of the People, trained to Arms from an early age.’ ~ Richard Henry Lee 1776

          4. catman says

            That “federal judge” you speak of was the SCOTUS. I can’t recall the year but it was several of them back.

          5. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            There is absolutely nothing wrong with defending oneself against predation.

            And that must INCLUDE law enforcement. They are nothing more than legalized bullies and predators by definition.

            ALL gun control laws are illegal/unconstitutional period, despite what any crooked treasonous court, judge, politician, or cop says.

            What part of “shall not be infringed” doesn’t everyone get?
            It means that NO ONE can infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.
            No one includes businesses who illegally post no guns signs.

            Personal property rights do not come before individual inalienable rights.

          6. Banjo says

            To which laws are you referring? Traffic laws, you are probably correct. Laws against offensive violence towards others, then most people are law-abiding!

        2. Poodleguy says

          Thanx…..some people just don’t get it – mainly because they either don’t want to understand anything that conflicts w/their wrong headed pre conceived ideas or they lack the intelligence….

  4. blacksunshine84 says

    The 2nd Amendment clearly makes any gun laws, from requiring one to obtain a permit to limiting the types of weapons one can purchase, unconstitutional.

    1. bills1949 says

      and your point is what? they still do it, they obviously dont agree with your PERSONAL opinion, but u can sue them, go for it

      1. Jenny says

        A permit lets the government know where there is a gun so they can take it away from the law-abiding owner. That is what some state governments are currently doing on the east coast – confiscating weapons. And the only way they know where those guns are is by the permit you acquired.

        1. RobGoetzSr says

          Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. People should take a que fron the ever increasing numbers of Police Chiefs who openly say,”… we cannot protect you… it is your duty to arm yourselves.” such as in Milwaukee and Detroit.

          1. Jenny says

            I believe it’s unconstitutional for the government to require the people to have to register their guns.

            “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

            http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

            Pros and Cons on the 2nd amendment

          2. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            regulate does not mean register. It means control the use of (by the militia ONLY).

          3. Banjo says

            “well Regulated” as it was used in the 18th century(including the 2nd Amendment) meant well disciplined or well trained, not well controlled.

          4. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            discipline MEANS control otherwise it wouldn’t be discipline! LOL

          5. Banjo says

            Perhaps I should restate:

            Regulate: to put in good order

            “well Regulated” as it was used in the 18th century(including the 2nd
            Amendment) meant a well disciplined,
            trained, and functioning militia-a militia in good order,
            not well controlled.
            Discipline does not mean control the use of, “discipline is systematic instruction intended to train a person, sometimes literally called a disciple, in a craft, trade or other activity, or to follow a particular code of conduct or “order”

            “Considering the adjective
            “well” and the context of the militia
            clause, which is more likely
            to ensure the security of a free state, a militia
            governed by numerous laws (or the proper amount of
            regulation [depending on the meaning of “well”] )
            or a well-disciplined and trained militia?”

            Until 1903, there was no National Guard, only state militias. As it stands today, the National Guard is the organized militia, and the rest of the citizenry is the unorganized militia. There is no “by the militia ONLY” because we are all the militia.

          6. gregsmom says

            Got a quote for you. “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference.” George Washington. Maybe you should reread your American history!

          7. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            Nope. It is an accurate quote.

          8. DJ says

            There is a clear reason that History is no longer a required subject in 90% of High Schools in the USofA. Nor is Government taught, nor are Ethics taught, no….but we have courses on condoms and social short comings of a free country.

          9. Conrad Gabbard says

            Batista, in Cuba, feared revolutionaries so much he required all gun-owners to lawfully register their weapons. Within a week after deposing Batista, Castro’s followers were knocking on the doors of all those who registered their weapons – either collecting those weapons or the fools who registered them. Cubans have since had the choice to conform or risk the sharks in the open seas.

          10. jondarmes says

            I agree, that’s why I don’t.

          11. sparky154 says

            One comma in Ammendment

          12. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            There are no cons to the 2nd amendment.

            All those are separate things in the 2nd amendment.
            And if you are not part of the militia then you STILL have the unlimited right to keep and bear arms.

          13. Conrad Gabbard says

            Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1, 4 (D.C. 1981) “(the)fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen.”

            DeShaney v Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189 (1989) “The [Due Process of the 14th Amendment] Clause is phrased as a limitation on the State’s power to act, not as a guarantee of certain minimal levels of safety and security; while it forbids the State itself to deprive individuals of life, liberty, and property without due process of law, its language cannot fairly be read to impose an affirmative obligation on the State to ensure that those interests do not come to harm through other means. ….. the State has no duty to protect even a child from his father after receiving reports of abuse.”

            When the state has neither ability nor obligation to protect anyone under law, who does that duty fall to and what kind of politician would deny anyone the ability to dutifully protect him/her self and their loved ones?

          14. jondarmes says

            The answer to your last question is all the democrats and a lot of the republicans, but what choice do you have? It’s the devil or the deeep blue sea.

          15. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            ALL democrats are BAD for freedom. They force special rights instead of equal rights.
            Republicans, greedy and crooked as they are, at least stand for *some* freedoms.

            Vote in a LIbertarian or Tea Bagger (preferred).

          16. jondarmes says

            In the majority of national races neither libertatian or tea party candidate are a viable choice. If they don’t win the primary they are toast.

          17. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            Not even due process can revoke an unalienable right. You can hav ethe right suspended WHILE incarcerated (locked up in jail).

          18. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            There are at least 2 in Kansas that claim they can protect (women and children specifically) from gun violence (presumed from men) and are fighting against their current governor (a republican).

            When seconds count, cops are MINUTES away!

        2. NEVER wrong, got it? says

          The definition of a permit is to give permission to do something by the government.

          A right is not a right if you have to ask for permission to exercise it.

          1. 094870 says

            I love it , thanks. My same ideas. My constitution says that ” I” have a RIGHT to bear ARMS and that is all I need. So back off with all this other B.S.

          2. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            Unfortunately even though the constitution prrevents the government from gun controls, it canot stop them from doing so. That job is up to the people exclusively.

            It says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
            It does not say you even have to be a citizen! LOL

      2. NEVER wrong, got it? says

        the right of he people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

        9th amedment – all rights not enumerated are still [unalienable] rights.

        Where they may be confusion regarding gun rights, the 9th kicks in and confirms the individual right to guns.

        The constitution says what it means and means what it says. No interpretation needed.

        1. Conrad Gabbard says

          The armed cops or DHS gestapo sent to collect your guns will not debate you on constitutional law. As we’re seeing, Obama only enforces the laws he agrees with.

          1. 094870 says

            And we will only inforce the laws that we agree with as well. Kill or be killed. That is not hard to understand.

          2. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            It seems prudent for those who still want freedom to join a militia. Also, it doesn’t hurt to split up our guns and ammo so they can’t get them all.

            And of course, have several plans of retaliation in place….

          3. 094870 says

            BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.

          4. rockyvnvmc says

            The Militia Act of 1903 aka ‘The Dick Act’, created the Unorganized Militia which consists of all males of military age and veterans up to age 60 (considered old age in 1903, when the average lifespan was only 47 years). This Act is still law today. We are all, already members of a militia, whether we know it, like it or not.
            ‘What is the Militia ? It is all of the people, trained to arms, preferably from an early age.’ ~ Richard Henry Lee 1776

          5. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            They cannot collect what they cannot find….

          6. 094870 says

            And I will enforce the laws I agree with. SO BE IT.

          7. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            then perhaps we should only obey the laws that WE agree with if Obama enforces the ones he agrees with?

          8. Adam Brier says

            Then they will debate if it was a good idea to come collect.

        2. 094870 says

          So very true. You can have just a 9th grade education and still understand that wording.

        3. Banjo says

          The difference between Conservatives and Liberals as it applies to the Bill of Rights or the Constitution in general is that Conservatives merely quote the Constitution, while Liberals interpret the Constitution!

          1. Virginia Baldwin says

            Liberals give THEIR interpretation of the Constitution, not the correct interpretation. As far as liberals are concerned, the Constitution doesn’t even exist.

          2. Banjo says

            Agreed!

          3. 094870 says

            I wish they didn’t exist. Working on it.

          4. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            As long as women and other colored peoples vote, the constitution is doomed.

            Read your history.
            You can trace it all back to Lincoln and the civil rights act too.

          5. Jenny says

            I wouldn’t go so far as to lump all women and people of color together, but I would agree that most welfare recipients probably shouldn’t be allowed to vote. But liberals seem to think that everyone should be allowed to vote – even illegal aliens and the deceased!

          6. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            My comment was not aimed at anyone personally.
            I review the facts over the past EON of history.
            Matriarchal societies have *always* failed miserably.
            This denotes that women should never be in control of anything and that includes politics and gun laws.

            In US History, the main problems began with Lincoln who ignored the original 13th amendment and replaced it illegally with the current 13th amendment (which is still illegal btw). Then the passage of child support laws back in the 1800’s (illegal – violates the 13th amendment they just passed).
            Then the passage of the 19th amendment which still is illegal and is the prominent cause for all the social ills and problems he have today.

            To compound the problems the passage of the (illegal) civil rights act, Johnson’s great society, and then the subsequent gun control act (et al).

            We have a snowball effect.

            Now this country is being feminized to the extreme. Too much tolerance of others and far too much government control (aka micromanagement) of our lives, and usually at gunpoint too.

            Feminization is a socialist dream.
            Go look up Socialist Conundrum for examples.

            And males that support ‘women’s issues’ have been brainwashed by their mothers and others.

            When this country was made, we did not have all these problems we have today. We had very little gun violence. We had less crime. You could shoot to kill a robber or trespasser with 100% full impunity and never be arrested or go to court over it, et al. About the only responsibility you had was to dig the grave and bury them.

            We did not have an out of control government bent on personal inundation of the masses.

            The colored persons I speak of are the primary cause of racial tension here.
            Go back to whence thou came from is an old adage to think about.

            With them, we have to follow politically correct laws (unconstitutional laws).

            With them, we must endure constant violations of our rights, especially the 2nd amendment.

            The biggest mistake in CC is that you have to get a license (again ILLEGAL).

            Rule of thumb – if there is any confusion as to the 2nd amendment, then the 9th amendment is supposed to kick in to guarantee that people’s rights are maintained.

            The only purposes of our government are to protect this country from foreign enemies (but not at the expense of our personal freedoms), regulate businesses to ensure fair competition and working conditions, and provide training for the militia.

            And a well regulated militia means that you can’t have a kazillion militias independent of each other doing their own thing.

            Regulate was meant to mean that all militias received the same training and etc as evidenced by our history. It does not mean CC permits, registration, restrictions of any kind by anyone (anyone meaning any government OR business).

            Cops are illegal. All law enforcement are illegal. Most courts are illegal.
            All victimless crimes are illegal.
            Even income taxes are illegal.

            So, since all that is illegal, what makes anyone think that the CC issue won’t be made illegal?

            Today is voting day for many places.

            If you vote for any democrat or democrat leaning person, your vote is actually committing treason.

            Treason is anyone or any action that goes against personal freedoms or this country’s safety.

            Note:I am no big fan of crooked republicans either. BUT they aren’t out to destroy this country like the democrats have been doing.

          7. Jenny says

            Socialism is communism!

            We don’t need either patriarchal or matriarchal leadership, we need God’s leadership! Sinful men do not make good leaders!! Women are too emotional to be good leaders. Leaders are supposed to be of good moral character. I only know of one such person and he isn’t into politics.

            Socialism has taken this country down the path to destruction. The same thing happened to Russia, and Hitler tried to squelch it – much to the chagrin of the Bolsheviks who then turned their wrath on Hitler.

            http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

            The Communist Takeover Of
            America – 45 Declared Goals

            Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

            [From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]

            12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

            13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

            19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

            20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

            23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

            24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

            25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

            26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

          8. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            Seems you fail to understand things.
            God made us all to be in a 100% patriarchal society (women are not to have any say in anything).

            Ephesians 5:23, 1Timothy2, etc.

            Throughout the Bible god shuns women (with few exceptions where he used them for a specific purpose).

            Socialism is not communism.

            Compare the two.

            A government that can at pleasure accuse, shoot, and hang men, as traitors, for the one general offense of refusing to surrender themselves and their property (Esp GUNS) unreservedly to its arbitrary will, can practice any and all special and particular oppressions it pleases.
            Lysander Spooner

            Declarationism states that the founding of the United States is based on Natural law. Socialist law is unconstitutional.
            Therefore, Progressives and Liberal Democrats who try to force socialism on the country are in effect traitors.

            Lenin’s Decalogue “Manual to Seize Control of a Society” which he used in the 1917 Russian Re-Revolution (The October Surprise) usurping control from the original Russian Revolution which occurred earlier in the spring of that year.

            1.Register everyone who has firearms, in order to confiscate them when the time comes, preventing them from opposing your revolution.
            2.Infiltrate and take control of the mass communication media.
            3.Divide the population into antagonist groups; encourage arguments between them over social issues.
            4.Destroy the people’s confidence in their leaders.
            5.Talk all the time about democracy and republic, but when the opportunity arises, seize power as a dictator.
            6.Cooperate with the drainage of public funds; discrediting the image of the country, especially overseas, and create panics within the population through the launching of an inflationary process.
            7.Encourage strikes, even if they are illegal, in the country’s key industries.
            8.Promote riots while conspire to prevent intervention by law enforcement.
            9.Cooperate actively in destroying the moral foundations of society and honesty and trust in the government’s promises. Infiltrate other parties with your own people, forcing them to vote for what is useful to your own party’s interest.
            10. Corrupt the youth and give them absolute sexual freedom.

            There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

            1. Healthcare- Control healthcare and you control the people.

            2. Poverty- Increase the poverty level as high as possible. Poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are
            providing everything for them to live.

            3. Debt- Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you
            are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.

            4. Gun Control- Remove the ability to defend themselves from the
            government. That way you are able to create a police state.

            5. Welfare- Take control of every aspect of their life. (i.e. food,
            housing, and income)

            6. Education- Take control of what the people read and listen to.
            Take control of what the children learn in school.

            7. Religion- Remove any display of belief in God from government and public buildings.

            8. Class Warfare- Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor.
            This will cause more discontent. It will make it easier to tax the
            wealthier to support the poorer.

            – Saul Alinsky

            “Evil Preaches Tolerance Until It Is Dominant, Then Seeks to Silence Good”
            Erick Erickson

            “The politically correct crowd is tolerant of all viewpoints, except those they disagree with.”
            Gov Bobby Jindal, Louisiana

            We are going to be the next USSR. And at whatever cost the libs are going to do.

            Welcome to the United States Socialist Republic.

          9. Jenny says

            I understand that God had intended to always be King over Israel – until the Israelites started demanding a king be put over them like the pagan nations. 1 Samuel 8

            And, I understand that, “…14. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.” 1 Timothy 2

            Adam knew better because God had told him, before Eve was created, not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If Adam had not listened to his wife, sin would not have been inherited.

            Also:

            http://www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_communism.htm

            What is the difference between socialism and communism?

            Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning. Socialism grows directly out of capitalism; it is the first form of the new society. Communism is a further development or “higher stage” of socialism.

            From each according to his ability, to each according to his deeds (socialism). From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs (communism).

          10. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            We are getting a bit too far off topic here.

            The old adage:
            “Men rule, women drool” is the way it is supposed to be. Meaning men are to have ALL the power and women submit to men in all things.

            About gun issues – most gun control laws were backed by – WOMEN – and men who mistakenly believed that women should be ‘protected’.

            Women can kill just as easily as a man can. They can do it a number of ways.

            Sara Brady was one of the evil people behind many of the unconstitutional gun laws.

            A well regulated militia does NOT mean regulated by the government.
            It also means that you cannot have several independent militias doing their own thing.

            This comes from history.

            The best form of militia is your state national guard.

            BUT, everyone seems to ignore the other parts of that amendment.
            The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
            This means that even felons, wife beaters, etc who are no in jail or adjudicated mentally ill (AND locked up) are supposed to have that inalienable right.

            The government is not supposed to have any power to regulate personal behavior or deny an individual freedom of speech or the right to guns, no matter who you are.

            I prefer the capitalist way –
            From each according to their abilities, and to each the fruits of their labor.

            Even our funding fathers knew that if you allow parasites (poor bums) to exist and not give them motive to be producers, they will forever live (parasitize) off the taxpayers, thus never benefiting anyone..

            And when there is a conflict in the interpretation, the 9th amendment clearly stands in to help guarantee the bill of rights.
            The 9th amendment is truly unlimited with respect to natural law (no right to murder, physically maim, deliberately harm the environment, similar).

            So, everyone has the right to guns, concealed or open carry, anywhere the public can be, and even transport them without interference by (illegal) police officers.

          11. Jenny says

            Women are ONLY to submit to their respective husbands, not all men!!!!!!! Only the Qu’ran says women are to submit to ALL men. You must be a Muslim.

            Sara Brady wanted gun control because her husband was shot and left in a near vegetative state, leaving her to care for him. It was her way of lashing out because, in her opinion, she was the victim. That’s what Zionist and Jews do – garner sympathy for themselves!

            The National Guard is supposed to be controlled by the state, however, of late the federal government has commandeered the Guard, too. So the militia that is forming now is sheriffs and veterans. We witnessed this militia at the Clive Bundy ranch.

            In my state, the liberals have now given the government permission to arrest people for what used to be a right of the people, i.e. If I gave my gun to my neighbor for safe keeping, I could be arrested. Other similar situations can now land you in jail.

            I do believe the shooting in Arlington, WA was planned with the idea of making sure the initiative to outlaw guns was passed. Anything Bill Gates sponsors is toxic!!

          12. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            Women (wives) submit to your husbands in ALL things.Until then you remain the property of your nearest living male relative. And THAT is also Jewish tradition (as well as many others). It was that way for good reason.

            If Brady’s hubby was armed and trained like he was supposed to be, then maybe he wouldn’t get shot.

            I would rather live in dangerous freedom than serve on my knees in submission.

            The problems will come to a head soon. Either we the people want to be slaves to a tyrannical government or we replace the traitors running the government.

            At no time is anyone supposed to violate the bill of rights. NO ONE and at NO TIME.

          13. Jenny says

            I could care less what “Jewish tradition” has to say! It all comes from the evil Talmud. And besides, I was raised by my mother as my father was dead.

            The United States became a corporation in 1871 – or rather the District of Columbia became a corporation for the U.S. It was then that the Constitution was usurped and the original 13th Amendment was replaced with another 13th Amendment which should’ve been the 14th Amendment. But it really didn’t matter because we no longer had the Constitution that was formed by the Founders.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slanahLcIHY

            Illuminati 2015: Predictions!! We must reach mass awareness! WATCH NOW!!!

          14. Jenny says

            But Timothy also says that women will be saved through childbearing. It seems the bible was written mostly for men in the sense that they needed to work harder at being saved.

          15. ken51136 says

            The Constitution is, America; therefore if the Liberals have their way; free America won’t Exist when they’re finished systematically destroy our Constitution .

          16. Jenny says

            When the liberals/socialists are finished destroying the Constitution, America will be just another Communist country!!

          17. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            And liberals always get it WRONG.
            It is up to the individual to determine if something is constitutional or not.

          18. Poodleguy says

            Make that “Liberals MISinterpret the Constitution”…… It is my view the Constitution was written so anyone with an 8th grade education (maybe not today’s 8th grader) could understand it, but the lawyers come along – “That is what it says, but here is what it means!” The 2nd is but one simple sentence the people whom have been educated beyond their intelligence just can’t/won’t understand so they can undermine it…………….Molon Labe!!!!

          19. Banjo says

            True, that is what I meant! Liberals also try and create Rights out of thin air while at the same time strip Rights that are enumerated in the Bill of Rights!

          20. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            “The greatest injustice is trying to make unequal things equal.”
            Aristotle

          21. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            The ONLY ones allowed to interpret anything are the people themselves.

            Nothing in the constitution authorizes anyone in the government to interpret the constitution. Only make and apply laws to it.

          22. Banjo says

            Agreed! However, I would argue that there are many of the people who have no idea about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights! Additionally, many or most of the Rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights need not be interpreted even by the people. The genius of them is that they are what they are!

      3. NEVER wrong, got it? says

        One should NEVER have to sue for exercising a constitutional right.

        Molon Labe.

        1. bills1949 says

          i agree with u, but you saying it, dont change a damn thing, as it stands right now, it is what it is, u can quote all that stuff till your blue in the face

          1. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            Patience patience…

            Soon, things will change. One way or the other…

          2. bills1949 says

            LOL, ok, dreamer, they will change, but in the wrong direction u better bury your guns, because they will be coming to get them soon, and they wont give a rats ass, what you think about the constitution, in another month nobody will care about anything anymore anyway , just like every year because its football season, and guys like u will park in front of a tv, and let the world go by, and that my friend is the reality of it all

          3. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            LOL OK. I never owned a gun in my life. What will they do then? NOTHING because I have NOTHING. Nor could I offer any resistance because of health reasons.

            I would be at the very bottom of the threat model.

          4. 094870 says

            I for one do NOT park my back-side in front of the TV and waste my time there either. I am ready for what ever comes my way. Trust me . I have faced problems like this before and am here to talk about it. Get my drift.

        2. 094870 says

          GREAT.

          1. NEVER wrong, got it? says

            How is that great? Just because I don’t want a gun doesn’t mean I don’t want the right to have one should I desire.
            I nev er owned a gun nor see any need to at the moment.

            So, what are they going to confiscate when you have nothing?

  5. Right is Wrong says

    If an armed vigilante type sees your gun and feels threatened, what is to stop him from coming up behind you?

  6. Milton W. Lowe says

    5 very good pointers for concealed carry. I emphasize the Practice & the broadcasting that you are “healed” or “packing” …let it be a surprise to the bad guy. I also suggest you have a badge indicating your CCW permit # available to display prominently on your person in the event you have to fire your weapon in public, it will give the Police notice to check you out before shooting you…They are responding to a “man with a gun call” & won’t know automatically that you are a good guy. If they see a “badge” they will at least check you out all be it possibly at gun point. Do as they say & lower your weapon to the ground & follow the cops orders to a tea…it may save your life!

  7. bdaniel230 says

    So far this is the best information I have seen about Concealed Carry. I have a permit yet is seldom carry my gun. I only have it when I believe I will need it and I never allow it to be seen. I practice every few months with a hundred or so rounds until I can put an entire magazine, 15 rounds, into a siloette target at 50 feet. I try to go to a range that has a variety of pop up targets when ever possible so I can get used to targets that are moving and some are NOT the ones I want to kill.
    Just carrying a gun, without the skills necessary to protect yourself and others, is as bad as just handing your gun to the criminal.

  8. Stan King says

    I can tell for a fact that The Columbus Community College also located in downtown Columbus Ohio also has the same ban against carrying your concealed weapon although it is not stated in the college handbook that if you have a CCW you can’t carry. A campus cop told me you can’t even have it locked in your trunk, but then he added “who would know if you had it concealed” ??? This sounds dam confusing to me. Ohio is getting like this all over the state you have to pay the state $67.00 for a CCW picture ID permit but almost everywhere you go it says that you cannot carry the weapon inside. Usually a reference to a state ordnance is posted on the establishment door siting the law that only persons “authorized by law may carry”. What the hell is a CCW permit issued by the state if it is not an authorization to carry ???? This will come to a showdown. I am glad that OSU was sued they deserve it who is running Ohio OSU or the people ?? There has never been a shooting that I am aware of on a campus by a lawful CCW holder and I can’t remember that last one at OSU and certainly not by a CCW or NRA member.

  9. AmericanIcon says

    Good basic article, especially points 1 and 3. Training is a matter of personal accountability, and safe, effective ‘gun handling’ is a perishable skill, one that needs to be practiced and continuously honed. You can ‘dry practice’ at home daily for 15-20 minutes – from drawing from concealment to surgically placing your ‘shots’ without expending a single round of ammo, and should: Adrenaline is as much your enemy in a gunfight as it is your friend – when the excrement violently contacts the rotary ventilation impulsion system, your accuracy will generally be less than half that of your worst day at the range.

    Before you venture out for the first time, make sure you understand that every bullet fired in a self-defense situation comes with a lawyer and prosecutor attached – unless you can hit the ‘gremlin’ every time, not some kid 3 blocks away, your life and fortune are riding in that holster, and even if everything is justified, you can expect to be cuffed and taken into custody.

  10. rightsmite says

    First of all, there is no substitute for training when it comes to handguns. In this day of liberals and an apparent increase in the number of criminals and psychopaths, concealed carry would seem the superior way to carry. Many years ago when I was young and brave and maybe stupid, I went through training to be a police officer. One of the things they tested us for was upper body strength and hand grip strength as well as the ability to hold onto a weapon regardless of whether your hand was in front or behind you or being wrestled away from you. We were told that too many police officers are shot with their own gun that is taken away from them by a perpetrator. I think open carry makes a perfect target for one of these “nuts” in today’s society or some crazy lib that wants to make a statement by grabbing your gun. Open carry might also fan the flames of anti gun nuts and result in a bigger push for confiscation. Concealed carry is better. Out of sight. Out of mind.

    1. Jim says

      Concealed Carry also gives one the advantage of surprise. If the bad guy walks in and can readily identify who is carrying, then he can take measures to neutralize them. I, too am a graduate of the Police Academy and one of the lessons that has stayed with me through the years is the principle that “action ALWAYS beats reaction”. When you are on the defensive you are always at a considerable disadvantage, so you have to be creative in order to even the odds in your favor. This is also why we were taught in Boot Camp to always get in the first punch when fighting an enemy. No one will ever know when or if I’m carrying because I believe that only I need to know. I just do it and keep my mouth shut about it. It pays to not be your own worst enemy.

      1. joebabe says

        You are absolutely correct. When I carry, “It ain’t nobody’s business but my own.”……..Open carry a Les Baer or Ed Brown built 1911. And some thug will sneak a way to steal it from you…..IMO.

  11. Jim says

    The biggest enemy of those who carry weapons is themselves. Carrying a weapon in public is not for everyone. Not everyone has the mental and emotional maturity to carry their weapon safely and effectively. If you feel the need to shoot your mouth off (no pun intended) when you are carrying, or you think you should throw yourself around and be as intimidating as possible, then do us all a favor and leave your guns at home. Carrying a weapon is more of a responsibility than a right and we cannot afford to have immature hotheads and wanna-be thugs giving the gun grabbers extra ammunition (again, no pun intended) to take even more of our rights away.

  12. imjmz says

    Do I really need more training? Not really, but the thing is, are my sights still on target? Hence, if I haven’t used the one I carry for awhile, I need to be sure it is still shooting where I point it. If I go to a different weapon, I also need to get used to the trigger pull and get it sighted in. Another reason for the range, have I changed to a different ammunition type? Very few guns shoot different ammo the same. Shooting is fun, hitting the bulls eye is the reward. I don’t know how many paper plates I have killed, but they don’t shoot back. Training your mind to actually shoot some one can not be learned on any range, survival and preservation come from within.

  13. quincyman says

    The article is right on target and so very true. Conceal that you have it, conceal your attitude, just be another Guy or Girl on the street, and yes practice, practice practice. Practice removing your weapon bringing it to the ready and firing. Do it so it becomes natural should the need arise…. Oh ! Did I mention Practice ????

    1. messup says

      Yes. Practice “plinking.” A .22 caliber, on an authorized range is a good start. Not expensive, good for accuracy and a good defensive weapon. Usually is small, compact and easily concealable: like a small purse, underarm, inside a waist belt or even an ankle holster. An idea…there are many an unwanted encounters with aggressors having suffered at the hands of a practiced marksman handling a small caliber defensive weapon. It’s not size that matters, but practice, practice and more practice. God Bless America.

  14. dhwilson58 says

    Is this brain dead ignorant idiot allowed to be in government ? America ? Breath the same air as we do ? She is totally off her MEDS !!!

  15. gangbuster says

    I’m a retired police officer and i always carry a fire arm,,you never know when you might need it and the crimes every where,, i tell everyone i know its better to have a fire arm and not need it then to need one and not have one.

  16. ronb28135 says

    Michigan is a great state to own a firearm. I prefer not to be surprised. I prevent that by open carrying everyday. The bad guys don’t want to get hurt either and do not want to learn the hard way if I am quick on the draw and a good shot. Let ’em know you’re armed. They’ll avoid you like the plague.

    Concealed carry is okay, but, you may become a victim of your own discretion if a bad guy pulls down on you and you’re groping and stumbling trying to draw your piece from under a jacket or out of your pants. Unless you are at the range weekly you’ll likely freeze or hesitate at the wrong time. Concealed carry can be inviting trouble.

  17. Obie Miller says

    Even though you may have a CC permit, in TN, if you OC you will still be charged for “carrying weapon with the intent of going armed”. You might be able to beat it in court, but is it worth the money and the hassle?

  18. jetmagnet says

    Excellent article,however I would add a mental evaluation as a requirement and also a Target recognition course like law enforcement uses. There’s been alot of self inflicted and accidental deaths from people who don’t know WTF they’re doing. Personally I don’t feel the need to carry a gun around in my town where there’s little or no crime. I keep one in every vehicle. It seems silly to wear a coat or special clothing so you can carry a gun in your neighborhood or the local wallmart.

  19. Sharron says

    I carried one in California. When my sister would go shopping.My brother-in-law was in the D-A-Office and he told us never go out with out with being armed.

  20. htbalive says

    Where do you go to get practice for firing your weapon?

  21. adrianvance says

    I disagree with point #5. The sight of an armed man in a public place is enough to prevent most would be shooters. They love the “No Guns Allowed” signs on liberal’s places of business.

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” for better ideas, facts and commentaries.

  22. adrianvance says

    To carry is a very serious act of great responsibility. Think about it….

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” and when you speak they will listen.

  23. Laurence Almand says

    Excellent advice. The biggest mistake most gun owners make is insufficient training and practice. People often buy a gun and then say, “I’ll get my safety training when I have the time.” They never get the training and end up having a negligent discharge. Rule for all gun owners; SAFETY TRAINING FIRST. Don’t even think of buying a gun unless have had at least 8 hours of qualified safety training.

  24. ChuckS123 says

    I’ve read that yo should do a lot more dry-firing than actual. You can do that at home every day.

    Also do some strenuous exercise, then shoot. That will simulate a high adrenalin situation. I don’t remember which exercises, but pushups, mountain climbers, sprints would probably work.

  25. Larry Miller says

    I totally agree with all the points made in the above article. The problem I have is, any rules/laws that impede the carrying of a firearm. The second amendment gives us the total right to carry in any fashion we choose. All the laws that have been made in contrast to the second amendment are not laws that courts should be able in enforce.

  26. Charles Hargrave says

    I had a background check when I applied from my CC Permit and I passed,just like the FBI background check,in my former life I had a job where I carried a concealed weapon and the better it is concealed and the more tight lipped the carrier is the better,if no one knows about it the less chance anybody will try to cause trouble for the owner and the cops will leave the owner alone,most of them don’t know the laws of CC,but they know how to arrest someone and ruin their life with Lawyer cost and court cost,silence is golden.

  27. GreatNana9MM says

    Molon Labe and make my day! Yes, train, practice and go to the range. There are many things that you can do to improve your draw and your accuracy. I will still have a way to protect myself, my family and my home. and trust me…..Concealed Carry means just that, concealed. Don’t underestimate the folks who have taken the steps to prove that they are law abiding citizens who have made a commitment to protect themselves and those around them.

  28. dondehoff says

    The five CC points are well stated and I am forwarding the post to all of my children and grandchildren—hopefully they will “read and heed”.

  29. marilyn says

    ASK NO MAN FOR THE RIGHT TO PROTECT YOU OR YOUR FAMILY,IT’S INHERIENT,SELF PRESERVATION, OPEN CARRY IS OK IN OHIO,LAWS ARE MEANT TO CONTROL THE GOOFS WHO HAVE NO COMMON SENSE TO USE GOOD JUDGEMENT.

  30. JOHN STEEL says

    everything is worse now. I wonder why?

  31. NEVER wrong, got it? says

    I would like to point out that ALL gun laws are illegal and unconstitutional.

    COPS that enforce any gun laws whatsoever commit high treason. Any cop that pulls over a motorist for speeding or a tail light out or some other such nonsense commits treason.

    The only thing I respect about cops is the gun they carry. For without that they all can stuff it.

    As long as you are not incarcerated (for any reason), and are physically.mentally able to have and use guns, you ARE allowed guns as per the constitution. This right even uncludes felons and so called ‘wife beaters’. And NO court or law can take away that right without due process (aka under trial for a crime).

    No where in the constitution does it revoke a person’s citizenship for committing any crime save one – treason.

    And as long as you are a citizen you have ALL your rights.

    We need to take back our country and restore full freedoms to everyone with the noted exceptions above.

    Gun use, safety, practice should be taught and exercised in schools from an early age (about 12 should be OK).

    Also, no private business is allowed to infringe on unalienable rights.
    This means YOUR constitutional rights come before private property rights in ALL cases.

    And if you are a business of any kind, certainly you cannot force others to surrender any personal unalienable freedoms. Or you become tyrants in your own right.

    Gus provide self protection AND they are there to intimidate others into NOT violating your rights.

    It is better to die on my feet than to serve on my knees.

  32. BlitzenEldog says

    People that brag or make a big deal out of CC are the ones with the least experience. Watch out for the old grey haired crippled veterans. They are all carrying and not making a big deal out of it. These old guys have been there and done that and aren’t afraid to do it again.

  33. John English says

    2ND AMENDMENT THE RIGHT TO BARE ARM’S.NO TEST NO PAPER JUST CARRY THE GUN IT’S IN THE CONSTITUTION END OF STORY,AND THE GESTAPO GOVERNMENT.

  34. DJ says

    I visiting KY a month ago and as I was leaving Wal Mart, I notice an elderly man entering the store with a full size 9MM holstered on his hip…..I smiled and said…morning.

  35. Brad Rossip says

    THIS IS THE LAW—–YOU ARE YOUR OWN PROTECTION………………….
    Police aren’t required to protect you: In Warren
    v. District of Columbia (1981), the D.C. Court of Appeals ruled, “police
    personnel and the government employing them are not generally liable to victims
    of criminal acts for failure to provide adequate police protection . . . . [A]
    government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services,
    such as police protection, to any particular citizen.” In Bowers v. DeVito
    (1982), the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals ruled “[T]here is no
    constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by
    criminals or madmen.”

  36. Terry Russell says

    One thing about Alaska no permit required ……and yes I need practice ,makes perfect you know !

  37. Kravi says

    All good points. As a retired LE – who’s been carrying concealed for 25 years, I can tell you, some people get a little too obsessive with #2. Printing can be a problem for some, and you should make a conscious and concerted effort to properly conceal. However, it has been my experience that people just don’t notice, unless your cover shirt is transparent or it’s form and outline is dramatically apparent. A simple small bump or bulge will not get anyone’s attention, except perhaps another conceal carrier who is looking for it. If you don’t look like a “dirtbag” you’re hardly likely to get unwanted attention from it.

  38. 4b4mac says

    It needs to be understood that CC requirements, OSU’s requirements or any other such are illegal via federal law that applies to all jurisdictions! We know it as the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights of our beloved Constitution. Yet even the most well trained and conscientious gun owners seem to mostly comply with illegal demands/infringements. WHY?

  39. Carl Stevenson says

    Calling it a privilege rather than a right at the beginning of the article turned mad off right away.

  40. jlp5871 says

    The garbage state of california say to law abiding tax paying hard working citizens you can not protect your selfs with a fire arm only mexicans, blacks, killers, robbers, can have guns, if you are going to be murdered by one above call a cop.

  41. supergun says

    What is the big deal. Most policemen in plain clothes wear their guns in the open. All policemen in uniform wear their gun in the open. The American Citizen is no different.

  42. jsftbb says

    poodleguy, 609th Air Commando
    guys can’t we just get a long the government is causing enough crap that we don’t need to fight between ourselves as we may need one another when it come down to brass tacks I’m a former Marine 73-77 and didn’t get my permit till 2 years ago so I had to go through the class and do the range shooting and I enjoyed it not a big deal but we all just need to get along and think about what is happing and be ready if it hits the fan, Semper Fi

  43. Rowdy says

    You are arguing over a mute point. According to our Constitution it has all been legal for well over 200 years.

  44. adrianvance says

    Generally, you are asking for a lot of serious trouble by carrying a gun when you really do not need to.

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” for clarity.

  45. MARYSWEET says

    Most states are similar in gun laws. That is what obama and the liberal leftist want you not to have but they are doing nothing to get the guns out of the criminal element, only from legal American citizens. I am in TX and in the process of getting my CCW permit. It has been a long time since I have owned a gun but I had good training and will feel more comfortable after getting my CCW as someone tried to kick in my back door a few months ago. Fortunately they were not able to get in but I live alone with my dog and she has been more affected by the noise created. She now jumps or puts her tail between her legs and puts her ears down when she hears any loud noise on TV or outside.
    obama wants to get guns away from legal Americans so that when he declares martial law (which he has already signed) it will be easier (he thinks) to completely control the country.

  46. Laurence Almand says

    Nevada is an Open Carry State, so when I go mountain hiking or biking in the summer I always carry my Ruger 357. So far I have never been hassled by cops – so far, that is. There is always a first time.
    But for the most part cops have been quite favorable to my open carry. One cop even told me “we need more guys like you out here.” (Can you imagine a cop in Communist California saying that?)

Leave A Reply

Your email address will not be published.