Corporate America’s War on the Second Amendment

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In 2013, after finalizing its purchase of NBCUniversal, cable giant Comcast announced that it would no longer run advertisements for firearms and ammunition.

“This is a really brave move for Comcast, and I give them a standing ovation,” said a spokesperson for activist group Moms Demand Action at the time. “Advertising has such a huge impact on public opinion, and we’re really at a tipping point in the gun violence conversation.”

It was hard to see the bravery in Comcast’s decision, though, considering how typical the policy really was. Comcast joined Time Warner Cable, Cox Communications, Fox, ESPN, and the NFL, to name just a few corporations who either refuse to accept gun ads or curtail their content with significant restrictions. In the three years since, companies like Panera Bread, Starbucks, and Target have gone further – banning guns on the premises, even when they are otherwise protected by state law. These bans, not coincidentally, came on the heels of considerable pressure from groups like MDA.

Earlier this year, Facebook and its photo-sharing subsidiary Instagram announced that private sellers would no longer be allowed to use the social media sites to advertise guns. Critics couldn’t help but notice the timing of the announcement, coming only three weeks after President Obama’s executive orders which aimed to close the much-ballyhooed gun-show loophole.

Liberals have learned how to use the power of corporate America for their own twisted agenda. Despite democratic elections, referendums, and constitutional protections, companies like Wal-Mart, PayPal, Angie’s List, Apple, and the NBA have thwarted religious freedom by threatening states with economic destruction. It’s not too early to wonder what could happen to our gun rights if these companies decided to expand their influence beyond transgender bathroom rights.

The right kind of propaganda can persuade people to see “rights” as a fluid and flexible concept. Ask a hardened liberal what they believe about the Second Amendment and you’ll witness some of the finest linguistic gymnastics this side of Bill Clinton. When enough people think that only a “militia” has the right to bear arms, Democrats have already won the ballgame.

Over the coming months and years, we’ll be called upon to scrutinize corporate America with as much intensity as we scrutinize Democrats. What good is the right to carry if every store is a “gun-free zone”? What chance does the pro-gun argument have when it is no longer allowed in the mainstream media? President Obama has turned the National Rifle Association into a legendary embodiment of evil through his rhetoric; how long will it be before sympathetic corporations pour millions of dollars into opposing pro-liberty gun legislation?

Even our most fundamental rights can wither away under certain conditions. Let us not stand idly by and watch while a handful of powerful conglomerates dictate those conditions.

596 Comments
  1. Michael Dennewitz says

    In short. …… America is going to hell in a handbasket……. WHO will you trust to bring us back to where we “were?”…….

    1. Valor says

      History says we will never get back to where we “were!”

      1. Gnowark says

        Okay, how about heading toward where we were (freedoms) instead of toward Communism/ Socialism (loss of individuality for a collective lowest common denominator)

      2. Tired... says

        True, but that doesn’t mean that we should not expend every effort to make things better than they were. It is time that we stand up to the bullies.

      3. Laddyboy says

        Valor: History is in the current hands of the PEOPLE who are MAKING history.
        Someone also wrote: History books are written by the VICTORS.

        1. Ted Crawford says

          Right Comrade!

    2. Ted Crawford says

      ” Free People, remember we may acquire Liberty, but it is never recovered if it is once lost!” Jean-Jacques Rousscau
      ” Liberty is a harsh mistress. You cannot pick what you like and dislike about her, Liberty will not change her principles for you, no matter how much you claim to love her. She will stand fast in her demand for total acceptance. If you cannot receive her, she will recognize you as a false lover and leave you.And when you hear that door slam, it will take every tear in your eye, every ounce of blood in your veins, and all the nerve in your heart to win her back.” William H. Masters

  2. Jim says

    In my opinion Corporate Amerika hasn’t learned Jack Schitt about REAL Americans. Eventually Corporate Amerika they will wind up shooting them selves in the foot and the a$$. I guess pandering to the minority for $$$ will be their downfall eventually.

  3. John Siemens says

    It’s coming! The only way to restore America to God will be with force. And it is getting late in the ball game to even do that. Jesus tells us that the greatest love is that one be willing to lay down their life for another. 1 John 3:16.

    From John’s Revelation we already know that there will be a time in the Tribulation that we will not be able to do business (buy and trade) without the mark of the beast.

    1. Valor says

      There are only 2 ways America can be saved. Divine intervention, or armed revolution. Neither is likely. Why would God would save a nation He has so richly blessed that has not only turned its back on Him, but is giving Him the finger? And a nation populated by a people so lackadaisical and apathetic they would elect the likes of Obama, twice, and likely will elect the likes of Hillary, that kind of people won’t rise up and take their country back.

      1. Barbedwire says

        Well, baby boomers have possibly been the most blessed citizens of the U.S. experiencing the best our nation has to offer. We have dropped the ball. We must hold Fed. Gov’t accountable and speak out. I pray it’s not through violence, as obama will take advantage of martial law, and we’ll really suffer.

      2. James Maxwell says

        If you look back a couple of Democrat Socialist conventions they had banned God from

        their platform. There was a big fight on the convention floor and the only reason that

        GOD was put back was the Masters of the Democrat Socialist party determined that if
        they left GOP out many of their members might defect and they could not have gotten
        the muzzie from Kenya elected to office. The GOP has never banned got nor fought
        to keep him out of politics. Rather they cling to the Bible and Gun to fire up their base.
        Bottom line both parties have ignored GOD except when they are in deep do do and
        the voters are tired of their mouth service and expect actions to speak louder than

        their words.

    2. Barbedwire says

      Someone just recently called my attention to an Ex. O. passed by obama in 2012. It is #13603 and the title compared it to bringing slavery to the U.S. citizens. It’s certainly typical that there hasn’t been ANY real NEWS about it, and if it was beneficial to citizens, obama would’ve been promoting it from every media source. Google it and pass it around. Sounds like he can take from the citizens, at any time, whatever he wants.

      1. Laddyboy says

        Yep!!!! ‘b.h.0bama/soetoro/sobarkah/ybayd/davis/WHOEVER’, the “elits and the DemocRATs and RepubliCANTS have been working hard behind the scenes to prepare America for a “bloodless” coup.

      2. Ted Crawford says

        EO: 13603, is preparatory of Martial Law, should the Progressives feel it necessary. It gives the President complete control over all of our Infra-Structure, In case of… well, an uprising! They will clearly have no need of it in the immediate future. Yesterdays Primary results make it perfectly clear that Hillary will be the 45th. President!
        Thank You Trump and your Cult of delusionals!!

      3. JO 753 says

        you mean this: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness ?

        Its about the country being able to manufacture essential stuff, including weponz, in case uv any type uv emerjensy, such az war, natural dizasterz, alien invansion. You know – so we dont get checkmated kuz all our titanium iz supplied by Russia (for example) who we are at war with. (agen, its just for example, kuz I no you are going to say ‘we dont get our titanium from russia, dumass’)

    3. Tired... says

      One does not restore God by force…He doesn’t need our help, He needs our obedience.

      1. Ted Crawford says

        I see NO evidence that he even exists, certainly if he does, he has proven that he has NO interest in the happenings on this, apparently, insignificant Planet!

        1. Tired... says

          Interesting conclusion. I tried to be an atheist for 15 years and then realized that I didn’t have enough faith to continue to believe God didn’t exist.

          1. Ted Crawford says

            I’m not anymore an Atheist than I am a Christian. In the first case there are far too many symbiotic relationships to completely discount intelligent design. In the second Atheists have no more empirical evidence to prove their ideology than do Christians to prove theirs!
            I consider myself to be a Deist. There can be, and should be, some form of “Creator” or “Designer”, I simply can’t determine just who or what they might be!

          2. Tired... says

            I was merely sharing my experience. May your Deism lead you to a Deity.

    4. Jimmee41 says

      Forcing people to accept God has NEVER worked and, force isn’t God’s way as revealed in the life of Christ!!!

  4. Valor says

    It is only a matter of time until the 2nd Amendment is swept aside. Especially if Hillary is elected. You can make book she will appoint federal judges hostile to the entire Bill of Rights. All she will need is just one Supreme Court appointee and the 2nd Amendment will be gone. The Framers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights totally understood all forms of government, including the one they formed for America, trend toward oppression of the people. Which is exactly why they included the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights. As a last defense against the kind of government they knew would eventually develop. Gun control laws are not and never have been about public safety. That is a red herring!! They are and always have been about the safety of the ruling class. The first serious gun control laws appeared in America shortly after the Civil War as part of the Jim Crow Laws intended to protect the political power of entrenched southern Demorat politicians from recently freed slaves. Since that time gun control laws have been used to marginalize one segment of society or another. Now that the ruling class has developed to its current power the need to disarm the entire society is at the forefront. Considering the lackadaisical bent of the majority of an American People that elected the likes of Obama and are likely to elect the likes of Hillary, I suspect most Americans will just roll over and relinquish their liberties, starting with the 2nd Amendment. The rest will soon follow. Each and every American will soon have to make the individual, personal decision of living on their knees to an omnipotent government, or dying if need be standing as a free man or woman. I have made my choice.

    1. Barbedwire says

      Yes, and obama started at the top: 1st amendment – the PC push is simply an attack on the freedom speech, the intimidation from libs, gov’t, and Hollywood ALL seem to just know if someone says they are “offended”, the person doing the offending is racist and needs to be taught a lesson. 2nd amendment – their suggestions for “supposedly”, saving lives; only serves to make purchasing a firearm more difficult and costly for honest legal citizens who purchase them for a variety of reasons, all legal. If hillary is elected, she wants to allow lawsuits, holding gun manufacturers (a good profitable business in the U.S.) liable for deaths. Like medical costs – it will increase the costs for all Americans; without preventing a death or making a real difference! Why not sue Ford for people killed in their Mustangs?? It’s that stupid.

    2. John Brown says

      Jim Crow laws were outlawed in the 1960’s. The Tea Party States are bringing them back and one is called the “Religious Rights” laws that have nothing to do with Religious rights.

      People read the 2nd Amendment like the Bible, They pick and choose what fits their argument even if it is a miss quote or taken out of context.

      They always forget the first part of the 2nd Amendment that states that you are suppose to be a member of a military organization to bare arms. By the way, it is still against the law to carry a long fixed blade but nota gun. I would rather see someone carrying a long fixed blade in public than a gun.

      1. Tired... says

        Context is important when it comes to understanding both the motivation of the framers and the words that they selected. Having just survived a revolution that saw private individuals use their personal weapons to defeat the world’s most powerful nation, they recognized both the greed of those in power and the importance of free men using their personal weapons to fight for their rights. The argument that “you are suppose [sic] to be a member of a military organization to bare [sic] arms” is specious at best and dishonest at worst.

        But if you really want to go this route, then based on your interpretation the most constitutional form of defense is.a militia, not a standing army, national guard, or reserve. Militias were groups of private individuals who organized and selected their own commanders for the purpose of community defense.

        Additionally, the idea of religious rights is clearly outlined in the first amendment to the constitution, which states ” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or or the press; or the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” Forcing religious people to violate their consciences by demanding that they approve of that which is contrary to their religious beliefs is wrong. Now, a religious person who is being paid by the government to perform a role does not have a right to refuse services to another individual with whom they disagree on moral grounds. Such individuals are acting on behalf of the government and not as private individuals. However, private individuals do have a right to make decisions based on those beliefs, including ministers who choose not to marry same sex couples.

        The idea that anyone can separate their worldview from their daily life is simply absurd and attempts by some to enforce their worldview on others is wrong, whether it is religion or same sex marriage. People have a right to their beliefs and other have a right to disagree with those beliefs…at least we did, albeit imperfectly, when we valued the constitution.

        1. jimmy midnight says

          Yeah, but they don’t have a right to refuse to do business with some members of the public, in ways that they WILL deal w/everyone else.

          Ministers get a little extra protection in this regard because they’re RELIGIOUS professionals. The rest of us can have an almost absolute religious freedom in our private lives and a somewhat attenuated religious freedom when engaged in public business.

          Leave your prejudices at the cash register.

          1. Ted Crawford says

            Don’t like the business practices, fine, take your happy little backside to a different business! Have a nice day and don’t let the door hit you on your way the he_ _ out!

          2. jimmy midnight says

            Sometimes that’s a convenient option, sometimes it’s not, but in a free-market system, the customer is king, and businesses may not refuse custom.

          3. Ted Crawford says

            WRONG! The Constitution is KING, or Freedom and Liberty are doomed! And with their demise so is the Free-Market! You can’t have the latter without the former!

          4. Tired... says

            Yes, they can refuse service. The customer then has the right to support another establishment.

          5. joe says

            I can and will refuse a customer for ANY REASON I see fit I own this place I built it and I will decide who I work for PERIOD! Anyone that comes here and tries to force me to do something I do not want to do will regret it in a most serious way.
            This is my company it took my hard work and the last 35 years of my life to build it anyone that threatens it I take very seriously in fact I take it as a threat to my life and will react in such a manner

          6. Phoebe Isley says

            I like your response Ted Crawford. It really is that simple yet “they” seem to not have much common sense. They whine a lot but that’s about it. Well done sir!

          7. Tired... says

            No one leaves their prejudices; they carry them with them wherever they go. Businesses do have some discretion in who they will and will not serve….no shoes, no shirt, no service. You cannot carry a firearm into Chipotle’s. There is some discretionary latitude provided to businesses regarding service to customers. In at least one of the cases the bakery did serve the customers on a regular basis; they only balked at baking the wedding cake because they did not want to be seen as condoning a ceremony that was contrary to their religious beliefs.

        2. John Brown says

          Just how old are you and have you ever read “The Strange Career of Jim Crow”? I have Firsthand knowledge of Jim Crow in it’s ugliest form. I DON’T want to see the Tea Party Taliban re-opening that old bag of shit.

          1. Tired... says

            I am not nor have I ever advocated for Jim Crow laws; that is not what most people are advocating.

          2. John Brown says

            You assume too much. ALL Jim Crow laws are geared towards White Supremacies organizations be it the KKK, the Tea Party or any other organization whose aim is to dominate and surprises human rights under the Construction. These rights are spelled out and forbid discrimination due to Race, sex (including sexual orientation), Religion or national oregano.

            It is most clear in states that enacted expensive and suppressive voter registration laws in the past 8 years. Laws with misleading titles like the “Reneges Fredon Act” whose policy is clearly decimate.

          3. Tired... says

            I cannot understand much of what you wrote, but people who prefer smaller government and that only citizens be allowed to vote one time only are not white supremacists.

          4. John Brown says

            Do you know that the Obama Administration has shrunk government more than the previous 3 Republican Presidents?

            White Supremacies organizations have been more active in the past 6 years than I have seen since the 1960’s. That has been mainly due to the Tea Party activist forcing new restrictive voting registration laws limiting registration stations, voting locations and voting hours most in minority areas. If you haven’t seen that you have not been paying attention to the news. States like Texas and Arizonan have gerrymandered voting districts designed to restrict voting effectiveness and ensuring the Republican Party with their desired results before the poles are opened. Look at the Tea Party controlled States and see how they obtained controlee and what they gave done to the voting system in there state. George has only 26 places in the whole State that you can get your photo voter ID and the hours are restrictive.

            Compare the Tea Party in words and actions with the German Workers Party http://spartacus-educational.com/GERgwp.htm

          5. Tired... says

            John, the only thing that has genuinely shrunk under President Obama’s watch is the military and sequestration accounts for a great deal of those and other cuts. The idea that the government has shrunk is laughable, particularly when he recently proposed the largest budget in the country’s history.

            Requiring people to show IDs in order to vote is not restrictive, especially when they can be obtained for free from the government. Citizens should have one vote only, unlike the poll worker in Ohio who admitted that she voted for Obama eight times. In addition voter registration now takes place in the DMV, at least in my state. Both sides gerrymander and it is repulsive when either side does it; but let’s be honest and admit that the Democrats are no strangers to this tactic. As far as I know, the Tea Party doesn’t control any states. However, I absolutely believe that every citizen has both a right and a duty to vote; no one has a right to prevent them from doing so.

          6. John Brown says

            Look again. He eliminated several government offices by reducing government and he has reduced much of G.W. Bush national debt while saving a national industry and making money of the bailout loans and allowed for millions of privet sector jobs. By the way, the ACA is a jobs bill that has created more jobs in the medical field from new construction to better affordable healthcare and reducing the burden on taxpayers for people who could afford health insurance but rather You pay for their healthcare. He reduced military casualties by ending the two Bush wars. And to think that he had to do the work that Congress refused to do while protecting your rights and safety.

            You need to stop listening to BS and read the real history of the past 7 years.

          7. Tired... says

            The ACA drove up the cost of my healthcare, which already wasn’t cheap, and decreased my options. If it was so good, why did Congress create exemptions for themselves and their employees? One simple question: If this President Obama has been such a penny pincher, why is out national debt continuing to rise at an unprecedented rate?

            Regarding our foreign policy, we now have boots on the ground in Syria, something that he said he wouldn’t do and our foreign policy is a wreck. Our enemies no longer fear us and now we have to deal with Chinese ICBMs that have the capability to reach the US mainland on top of an unstable North Korea, an emboldened Russia, and a Middle East that is on fire.

            He has done nothing to protect my rights and safety; in fact, he has been incredibly successful in undermining them. He had multiple opportunities to bring us together as a nation and he elected to foster hate instead. The sooner he is out of office the better.

          8. John Brown says

            Yes, In States like Texas, that did not work with the system, States actuarially increased their power base from run-a-way inflated Insurance rates. In the States that worked with the system, most people saw as much as a 25% reduction in insurance rates.

            In case you did not know, All those people who could afford health Insurance and did not get it, every time they used the medical facilities and services, The cost were passed on to the Insured people in higher rates and Government, your tax dollars. Believe me that $2,000 or so penalty for not having insurance is cheap insurance. Service providers and Insurance companies have become use to the inflated pricing that they are getting sticker shock when that actuarially have to provide services, that they should have been providing) at reasonable cost. Your State Insurance board allows the insurance companies to overcharge, so they can get more money for their election. Kick-back.

            Your tax dollars working against you.

          9. Tired... says

            John, I worked in health care for 20 years and that is only part of the story. The other is the abuse of the system by those with governmental insurance. When I was working in the ER the state decided to add a $2 copay to medicaid; the patients did not pay anything prior to this time. The ER nurse manager kept stats and found that the ER visits from medicaid patients were cut in half following the implementation of this policy. Those of us who worked the ER understood that patients with real needs were still being seen, but the ER was no longer being used for frivolous reasons. Most people do not want to see others go without care, but we differ in the way that we handle this situation.

            My tax dollars work against me every day in a variety of areas, as did my union dues.

          10. John Brown says

            I have been around Healthcare a long time myself my mother who was a RN, My wife is a retired LVN, my brother was a x-ray technician and my daughter is a RN. Yes, no one wants to see anyone go without healthcare. What I am, as well millions of others want those freeloaders who can afford health insurance make you and me pay for there’s. The ACA, yes I read it on line when it first came our and before it was enacted, targeted in getting the approximate 17% who want you to pay for their healthcare. That is not to say that those at and below the poverty level and unable to pay can get needed care. I am on Medicare and have a $50 copay to see my specialist. At my age I have to see 4 of them at least twice per year and that does not include test and medication. A $2 copay for medicine is cheap.

            My insurance comes out of my Social Security check before I get it and it goes up every year and Congress is trying to cut Social Security.

          11. Tired... says

            When we set aside the politics and begin to talk about the humanity of a situation we will find that we are not so different. Perhaps our solutions differ, perhaps not; either way it is always good to see things from a different perspective because no one knows it all. I appreciate the conversation and wish you the best.

          12. John Brown says

            Yes, what scares me is that history is in favor of a “Pretty Boy” should win this election. That is really scary when you look at the two possible. One will wreck the country and get U.S. into another costly wat and kill one of the only good programs that came our of the Republican Party in over 50 years the EPA. The other Waco would totally destroy the country by killing all the social and economical programs that Americans fought, blead and died for over the past 100+ years, including Social Security, Healthcare and Education but will institute The Department of Anti- Witchcraft and outlaw Didoes. On the other side there is a well-educated, experienced and battle harden forward thinking get things done right for the people.

            Personally I don’t like Hilary, but she has the best resume with on the job experience. I didn’t like Bill either, but he cleared up the national debt left by Reagan and G.H. Bush. Obama has done the best to pay down G.W.’s debt without Congressional help. Hilary might get U.S. out of the Republican hole.

          13. Tired... says

            We are not even close to being on the same page on this one. I simply prefer freedom, which is what Americans fought, bled, and died for over the last 100+ years, to social programs and subservience to the government.

          14. John Brown says

            Do you enjoy a your pay check, sick leave, vacation, health benefits, safe working conditions, clean drinking water to name a few? Well these came about primarily due to Unions who fought, blead and died to provide better living and work conditions. Ted Cruz wants to turn back the clock about 100 years and Trump is not far behind him. The notion that Businesses can do a better job of taking care of their people and the environment is pure BS. You do know that over the Reagan had mass de-regulations that allowed Corporations CEO’s and upper management to expand their wealth at the expense of the workers. Remember the Golden and Platinum Parachutes? They all came after de-regulation. The ratio before was 40:1 and today it is upward of 500:1 because the money is Not going back into the companies as it should. We saw a lot of that with Enron and the Banking industry that went bankrupt but the corporeal heads retained there parachutes and some hired back at higher rates to correct the problems they caused. In case you are thinking, now I have never been a member of a Union. I know my history and grew up around Unions. Much of the labor movement is never taught in schools. Freedom is Not Free it is earned. Trump is a big man in New York, a very corrupt mob influenced workforce, and he can work things there that he would never do elseward in the country. Much has come out about his failed enterprises that he personally profited from and the workers and stockholders lost. An Interesting fact is that Trump was bailed out of bankruptcy by a Democratic Congress at one time. Cruse wants to wipe the slate clean along with all the environmental, health, education, welfare and yes ALL the money you put into your Social Security all your life. Check there speeches and policies. Much has been kept under wraps in fear of scaring off the voters. They do let things slip at one time or another. Cruz should Not even be on the ticket. When I was in school, the law was that you had to be born on U.S. Soil. This could be ex-territorial, military installation or an embassy. Cruse does not qualify. That is a court case that has not been settled yet.

          15. Tired... says

            By now you should know that I do not believe in either/or thinking, so this is the last time that I am going to say this. I am not saying that unions are all bad or that corporations are all good, so you are making a case against and argument that I didn’t make. What I did say is that unions take union dues from their members and then distribute that money primarily to Democrats, despite the fact that this goes against the wishes of some of their members. The history of unions was taught in my school, both the good and the bad. Not only was my father a life long member but I have been a union member myself, so I am familiar with the crap that goes on at the local level. When I was in school, I was also taught that kids who were born on American soil or to at least one American parent were considered American citizens by the same teacher that taught me about unions.

          16. Tired... says

            I don’t consider any candidate a “pretty boy” but then I am not really sure what that means in this context. No one that I know wants to kill Social Security, although I would be in favor of moving from Roosevelt’s Ponzi scheme paradigm to something more sustainable. The same goes for healthcare. We all know that there has to be a better way and getting rid of the ACA may pave the way for a better solution. The Department of Education is no big loss; at its direction we are creating worker bees instead of critical thinkers.

            Hillary only does things for herself, not the people; look at what the retired secret service agents have to say about her. She is not a good leader and she does not inspire either affection or confidence. Early in the campaign she could not even point to her own foreign policy achievements when asked to name them, but her failures are well known. Just because she has “job experience” doesn’t mean that she can do the job well.

          17. John Brown says

            You need to look more closely and pay attention to both Trump, Cruz, as well as Ryan and other Republicans who have come out in speeches to eliminate the Social Security program. Incidentally, before G. H. Bush, Social Security was NOT part of the National Budget. It is the ONLY profit making program that this country ever conserved. It is also the pocket that Congress picks every year by taking out “No Interest” loans against the system. If Congress were to dissolve Social Security, they would Not have to pay back there debt. G.W. Bush wanted to privatize Social Security and put all our money into the stock market just before the crash.

            The ACA was a Republican idea and has been found to work well in States that have worked the system. Again it is the State Government and the Insurance companies that are screwing you and me. Insurance companies are one of the most profitable industries in this country and are major contributors to all Republican campaigns. It is like in the military. Most Officers are Republicans because Republicans give them, unaccountable money, most for weapons and military related industries that get Major contracts from Republicans that they heavily support.

          18. Tired... says

            There is a difference between getting rid of social security for the express purpose of replacing it with something better and leaving people without a safety net, which is what the phrase “kill social security” means to me. I do not believe that the government should be in the business of making a profit and since social security is the greatest Ponzi scheme ever, it is not surprising that it was perceived as “making money.” I agree that Congress has used Social Security as their own personal piggy bank and that should be stopped. We need to tighten our belt instead of taking out a second mortgage, as it were.

            I suspect that the insurance companies donate to both Republican and Democratic causes as well as candidates.

            As far as the military is concerned, I cannot speak with knowledge about what you said, but I believe that your observation contains some truth; however, the same can be said of those rely on welfare for their income. As I have repeatedly said, this is not an either/or issue.

            Ultimately the problem is people. We are far from perfect and tend to meet our needs over the needs of others; in balance, this is necessary for survival, but out of balance it is greed. Greed and selfishness exist in every human endeavor, which is why we need the unions to balance out the corporations, with the understanding that both entities can be controlled by greed. The government is the same way, which is why we have the separation of powers. A centralized government can be beneficial if it is kept in check; once it is no longer in check,it becomes a threat to the people who gave it power. This is why I prefer a smaller government. Think of it this way: A plant may be beautiful in the garden, but if it takes over, it kills the other plants and the garden become unfruitful. That is where I view government today; it has been growing for years and is threatening to overcome the liberties that all Americans should be able to enjoy.

          19. John Brown says

            The biggest problem is that they haven’t a clue to make things better for anyone but themselves. No, they do not have a better plan for Social Security. The best thing that Congress can do for Social Security is to give control back to Social Security Commission and pay back ALL the money borrowed with interest.

            Social Security Definitely is NOT a Ponzi scheme. It may appear to be that now, but before Congress sucked it into the National Budget, thanks to heavy pressure from G.H. Bush Social Security has been bleeding money with each budget year. Social Security had been the most secure banking system in the country and had a very large surplus before Congress got hold of it. Millions of Social Security people have been fighting for years to get it out of the Congress death grip.

            The big question is where the money went? Look no further than the Pentagon. Congress adds more money to their budget than what they requested each year and they Can’t account for Billions of dollars. This really started back in the Reagan administration. Colin Powel was in the Pentagon at the time and he explains what happened and the biggest bluff this country ever pulled off. Remember “Star Wars” project? It did not exists.

            Q. When did you learn that Bush financed his wars through loans from China? That is something he should have never done and we are still paying for it in more was than one. Before all our wars were financed through bonds and loans from Social Security that Were paid back.

            Read the writhing on the wall and remember what brought down the USSR. Over Military Spending. The U.S. Budget for the Military Machine is rapidly approaching the 70% mark when you factoring the war debt. Yet Congress allocated money for a jet engine that every branch of the service rejected, a fleet of tanks that the Army did not need, want or requested, and a fleet of aircraft that went straight from the assembly line to the bone yard. As I said before, Republicans get much of their money from the Arms Industry. Jimmy Carter did much to reduce the size of the military and was hit from all sides. Much worse, the military’s resistance probably lead to the disaster resulting from the failed Iran rescue.

            Both Trump and Cruz swore to get the U.S. into another wat. Yes it is in there speeches.

            Bill Clinton DID payoff the National debt. In fact at that Clinton was in office they had a bug digital sign board that desolated the debt. After the debt reached it’s lowest point they took it down. Last I herd the Smithsonian has that countdown sign.

            The surplus diapered within 6 months of W’s inauguration. It was a big deal and on National News at the time.

            I have had enough as your history teacher. School is out. Go look this stuff up for yourself. It is clear that you don’t want to take my word for it and that is OK. I would rather you do your own research and make a habit of it.

            Parting note: Former Speaker Boehner calls Ted Cruz ‘Lucifer in the flesh’

          20. Tired... says

            According to https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm the national debt on 09/30/1992 was $4,064,620,655,521.66 and on 09/30/2000 it was $5,674,178,209,886.86.

            According to the SEC, “A Ponzi scheme is an investment fraud that involves the payment of purported returns to existing investors from funds contributed by new investors. Ponzi scheme organizers often solicit new investors by promising to invest funds in opportunities claimed to generate high returns with little or no risk. In many Ponzi schemes, the fraudsters focus on attracting new money to make promised payments to earlier-stage investors to create the false appearance that investors are profiting from a legitimate business” (https://www.sec.gov/answers/ponzi.htm). Social Security Is actually worse; from the beginning it was set up using money from current workers to pay for the Social Security benefits for retired workers in perpetuity. The only difference is that the government is the originator of the scheme and the investors are the workers who pay into the system. We can parse words, but the structure is the same. In addition to Congress dipping into the till, the population did not expand as predicted, which also contributed to the financial woes of the system.

            I absolutely agree that military spending needs to be examined and waste eliminated, but this should happen in every agency of the federal government.

            Each of us should do our own research…thanks for the civil conversation.

          21. Tired... says

            We were talking about the second amendment and I provided information that addressed your comment on that topic. It would be nice to stay on track.

          22. John Brown says

            That is the problem; It seems that like the Bible, people skip over the points that don’t support their argument. The Very First part of the 2nd amendment states the conditions for barring arms. READ IT.

          23. Tired... says

            I have and there are volumes of case law supporting the individual mandate. Again, context is king.

          24. John Brown says

            The case law does not exist. It is all BS and the argument has bounced around the Supreme Court without a ruling for several years. If Congress will get off it’s dead bigoted ass’s and verify the nominee to the court, you may get your answer. But any school teacher with knowledge of history will tell you the same thing that I have.

          25. Tired... says

            Sorry but that isn’t accurate. There are decades of case law; your comment suggests that you already know this, which is why you want someone to join the supreme court who will help overturn existing case law.

          26. John Brown says

            I know what you are talking about, but they are Not case law yet. Each time it comes to court and one judge makes a ruling it has been overturned. The Supreme Court has been dodging the case because of the 2nd Amendment/gun industry.

            That is Not the reason we need to stop handicapping the Court. There are more pressing issue that the odd vote is needed, like “Citizens United” and the “Voting Rights Act” two of the most ridicules decisions to come out of the Court in years.

            “Citizens United” is stupid to say that a name on a piece of paper has the same rights as an individual. Proof, Try and put a corporation in jail. It opened up unlimited corporations and the top 2% to virtually buy a political office, like Trump is doing today. The same thing happened, but a Republican President named Teddy Roosevelt used the Anti-Trust laws to stop it 100 years ago.

            The “Voting Rights Act” that was gutted, re-opened the door for Jim Crow discrimination laws to re-emerge. This dilutes the voting strength of the populist by using un-just laws and regulations preventing people from voting. If you want to strengthen your base, reduce the base of your opponent.

          27. Tired... says

            John, case law is defined as “law that is based on decisions that judges have made in past cases” and “law established by judicial decision in cases” (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/case%20law).

          28. John Brown says

            Yes, and it looses valet when it is overturned by another court.

          29. Tired... says

            I am not sure what you mean by “valet” in this context.

          30. John Brown says

            In valid. The decision is only as good as the last court decision. The same thing goes as what is income. By definition Income is money derived from money (Interest on money). That would mean that your salary is NOT Income. It is a reimbursement for your services. If your employer were to reimburse you in bushels of corn instead of dollars, That is Not income. There are legal cases that have ruled both ways. It is a good thing that your employer have more dollars than bushels of corn. {;-)

          31. Tired... says

            That doesn’t mean that it isn’t case law,. The decision by the highest court that applies to a particular circumstance is the law until it is overturned by a higher court.

            However I think that it is time that we considered an amicable divorce in the is country. Separate those who prefer big government and those who prefer smaller government, then divide everything between the two groups based on the percentage of people on each side. Agree to disagree and move on. That way those who prefer dependence can have the government that they want, and those who prefer freedom can have the government that they want. Each comes with its own risks.

          32. John Brown says

            CASE LAW: law that is based on decisions that judges have made in past cases. These decisions are only valid in some cases and become invalid if overturned.

          33. joe says

            go play in the spongebob forum you are too stupid to talk with the big people

          34. John Brown says

            I am NOT asking you to take my word for anything, I want you to open your eyes and do your own research and DON’T let others do your think for you.

      2. James Maxwell says

        Apparently you are confused about the “Jim Crow” laws and their intent. Our nation
        supports and defends Religious Freedoms, that in effect means I do not have to bow
        to false gods nor obey religious rules of others. I do not have to support nor condone
        deviate sexual acts by mentality unstable people nor do I have to cater to them. If I have
        a public business I must open my doors and sell to them but I do not have to attend nor
        cater those affairs which are against my personal beliefs. That is a violation of the
        law to try an force me me to. That is the same as demanding that I expose my children
        to deviates who “claim” that today they are woman when they clearly are not anatomically
        such. This presents a clear danger to both children and women when men violate the
        restroom where they are.

        1. John Brown says

          A military organization covers a wide range of areas from crossing guards to our armed forces and that is how it should be. Note, Now are in the Construction is the air a statement specifically saying that you have the right to own and carry a gun. That is in Context. The founders recognized that at the time of the revolution, most people who lived in the towns did not do their own hunting for food or had a need for personal protection extending beyond the point of a blade. The term Arms then and now are referred to weapons used for the community protection. That is the job of a military and at that time most people had to provide their own weapons to help protect the community. These people also came together for training on a regular bases. As a owner of a weapon of this nature, come responsibility to the community, thus a military organization. One other point is that it has to be recognized by the government as a authorized military group with its charter. As a owner of a firearm you should be well trained in the legal as well as mechanical care and handling of the fire arm. You DO know that the NRA has been part of the largest sales campaign not seen since the Tobacco industry in the 1960’s. Were you suckered in by them or the Tea Party who want a armed revolution in this country?

          1. James Maxwell says

            An open and armed insurrection is the last thing any American wants, however,
            that option was never off the table by our forefathers. True a vast number
            of American never used a firearm to defend themselves nor to provide food
            for their families. But the founders recognized the possibility that the time
            might arrive when such an event might have to take place to preserved the
            Constitutional Republic and the rights and freedoms of American Citizens.
            As an American Service Member, Ret, I took my oath to protect and
            defend the United States quite seriously and since there was no expiration
            date on that oath I have keep it sacred all these years and will do so until
            my death. I own weapon for both fun, Hunting and protection, I also taught
            my children the safety and responsibility of owning weapons and to always
            treat them with respect. I am doing the same for my grand Children and
            Great Grand Children. This is part and partial of being an American
            Citizen, to be prepared to answer the call should it arise when or wherever.
            in the defense of our Nation.

          2. John Brown says

            Yes, So did I, but carrying a firearm means that the justice and police system has detreated. There are many States that it would be advisable open carry for protection like Montana, West Texas and other area that policing is stretched passed its limits. Open carry in any area that has an active police force is redundant and dangerous to the individual carrying and others. The 2nd Amendment provides for a military for protection. That means that the organized group (military) are actively trained and in good communication with other law enforcement organizations. If you are NOT recognizable as a member of a law enforcement organization, NO One wants to see your pride and joy on your hip.

            In a Resent theater shooting, one of the movies had his concealed gun with him and chose wisely Not to use it. The reason given was very valid. The active police would have mistaken him as the bad guy. The police had NO communication with him that would have easily made himself a target.

            “Johnny, don’t take your gun to town” as the old song goes.

          3. James Maxwell says

            I, personal am a CCW permitted individual, and in Texas I can open carry now.
            My choice is concealed since I do not wish to advertise to criminals that it
            might not be to their advantage to attack me. But the other reason is it
            does not give the panty wetter an opportunity to whine and moan. The
            only time I open carry is when I am hunting or in an area where dangerous
            animals are our an about such as in Alaska also when I am fishing and there
            snakes in the area. I think the theater you are referring to was in Colorado
            and that was a fire drill from hades. Pulling a personal weapon there, depending
            upon the training of the individual could have saved live or possible caused
            more, you can second guess all day long but each circumstance and the
            events are different. There is no standard answer that will fit all
            situations or events.

          4. John Brown says

            You are wise. I suppose that you have some job related need to carry a gun. Open carry in town is stupid if you are not a part of a law enforcement organization, including guards. Guns are a necessary tool in many professions for security of one form or another. Caring a gun is a terrible responsibility that too many people take too lightly. Anyone who can pass the mickey mouse security check, and the short gun safety course and the money to pay for the weapon and ammunition can open carry in this and other states. Just because that there is a law (good or bad) that allows someone to own and carry a gun, does nit mean that they are qualified (mentally and/or training) should have one. The last report, “Saturday Night Specials” are on the rise.

            My first job after getting out of the Air Force was as a armed guard/night watchman at a brass and iron foundry located in a bad part of town. A gun is a tool, but too many act like it is a toy, a show piece or security blanket. I will Not do business at any store that I see a recognizable non law enforcement caring a firearm. I will tell the manager and have him notify me when the individual leaves. Many stores in Texas have strict no open carry policies. I think that Gov. Abbott is campaigning for martyrdom. First he reopened the Tower of Texas that had been closed for about 50 years because of a sniper, than he authorized open carry on campus and in the capital building, then he cuts education funding to the quick. Sounds to me like he wants to be a target.

          5. joe says

            you moron you can not just make stuff up and expect anyone to listen, god you left wing retards are stupid not a single word of what you posted is true NOT A SINGLE WORD you jackass

          6. John Brown says

            It is true, You can tell a Republican anything and provide them clear and facts and they will not bereave anything that does not fit there argument, no matter how lame it is.

      3. Ted Crawford says

        Really? A Military Organization? Where have I heard that before….I remember now: “If the German people wish to use guns they should join the SS or SA! Ordinary citizens do not need guns, as their having them does not serve the State!” Heinrich Himmler!!!!

        1. John Brown says

          Try the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

          1. Ted Crawford says

            Oh, I do, believe me! I do not now, I never have and I never will, own a….’registered’ weapon!
            “Shall Not be infringed” is NOT subject to anyones interpretation!

          2. John Brown says

            I hope that you don’t or ever will own an un-registered gun either?

          3. Ted Crawford says

            RIIIIIght! and I won’t carry it where ever I go and I won’t defend my family with it. And in all these years since I returned from Vietnam, I’ve never found it necessary to fire it except for practice!

          4. John Brown says

            You and me both brother. The closes I git to Vietnam was Guam during the 11 day war in 1972.

        2. Jimmee41 says

          The State is to serve the people but in America the State has become personified by Dems who worship at the Alter of big brother!!!

      4. JO 753 says

        Gun ownerz are basicly freeloading on the rest uv us. Their self defens and defens agenst tyrany arguments are easily debunked, so gun ownership iz really nothing but a hobby. But they arent paying all the costs being created by it. Wen sumbudy gets shot, it can cost millionz$ in hospital billz & lawsuits and the shooter will usually never pay a dime. Its bekuz the lobbying groups and the gun nuts hav flooded the country with gunz, so anybody can get wun any time, legal or not.

        1. Ted Crawford says

          If this offends you, by all means you are free to find a country that better suits you!

        2. John Brown says

          If you insist to act like an irresponsible cowboy and open carry, You should be required to have liability insurance equal to or greater than $1 Million. Open carry have a higher probability of miss use, stolen and personal damage than even a counseled carry. Someone who open carry become the target of first choice by the bad guy and unknowing police.

          1. JO 753 says

            That duznt do much good. Most uv the shooting going on iznt ‘legal’. There needz to be a gummit ajensy to handle all the trouble cauzed by gunz, The GIT (Gun Incident Tax. Google it) iz like a national insurans system that payz victimz, wether the shooter iz known or not.

          2. John Brown says

            You are right and wrong. Most guns used in illegal actions are stolen from legal gun owners and never reported. It would give gun owners more responsibility for the care and handling of a lethal weapon the same as a car. Most of the gun violence reported this year have involved legally obtained weapons. Often these weapons found their way into irresponsible hands like children that has seen more deaths. If, like a car or any other hazards equipment, are required by law to carry a minimum liability insurance policy. The irony is that the NRA has fought against firearms equipped with safety devices to reduce accidental or unauthorized use of the firearm. The purpose, at one time, supported gun safety and now they fight against gun safety.

        3. joe says

          shut up you twisted freak YOU DON’T MATTER!!

      5. joe says

        dingbat you have no clue what the 2nd means, the milita part MEANS NOTHING and moron the militia is NOT MILITARY This has already proven over and over and decided by the supreme court you are as dumb as a can of tuna. You never even read the constitution did you dimwit

        1. John Brown says

          Brush up on your terminology. Any armed group is considered military from a one horse town police force to the national armed forces. Most all are derived from volunteers to provide armed force if need be. Military forces can be called by many deferent names. Some are called guards, some posies and so on. All have some sort of charter or rules that they all agree to follow and to protect the community.

          The term Militia in the Construction at the time relates to what was the U.S. Military because there was no standing Army. They were the volunteers who could be called upon to serve when a armed force are needed.

    3. Laddyboy says

      I hope and pray Americans WAKE UP before any more blood is spilled. As in, the execution/assassination of Mr. LaVoy Finicum by government agents. As in, the POLITICAL JAILING of the Bundy crew.

      1. Ted Crawford says

        TOO LATE!
        Yesterdays results sealed the fate for America’s future! Baring action from Obama, Hillary will inevitably be the 45th. President. She will also have a fully compliant Progressive Senate, probably the entire Congress, with which she will transform SCOTUS, within the first two years of her first term, effectively ending any Conservative opportunities for the Presidency or even majority in Congress for the foreseeable future! Sad, what began as simply a Billionaires lark, will ultimately grant Obama’s wish of Fundamental Transformation!!
        The early observers are proven correct!
        “Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the Voters realize they can vote Themselves Largesse from the Public Treasury. From that moment the majority will always vote for the candidates promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy and is always followed by a Dictatorship! Alexander Tytler I’ve long been accustom to the Progressives falling for false Prophets, this time the Republican’s have followed suit!
        ” Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide!” John Adams

    4. Ted Crawford says

      The ONLY person who can, now, after yesterdays results, prevent Hillary from becoming the 45th. President, is Obama! She loses only if Obama loses faith that she will continue his “Fundamental Transformation” of America, and allows lovely Loretta to indict!
      Thank You Trump and your merry band of fools!

      1. Phoebe Isley says

        Now you lost me Ted Crawford. Hillary and Obama and the entire establishment are in it together but and yes there is a but…Trump and we his “merry band of fools” believe that Trump will be the next President. See we don’t want the establishment and feel a change is needed. We believe that change coincides with Trump and WE THE PEOPLE aren’t going to just sit idly by anymore. Change is being not asked but demanded this time and WE THE PEOPLE will not stay tolerant any longer. Trump 2016! God Bless

        1. Ted Crawford says

          The only way Trump goes to the White House is with Hillary’s invitation! Trump can’t win the election because he has NO desire to do so, never did! Trump openly signaled their, His and the Clintons, strategy from the very beginning! When, in nearly the same breath that he made his announced run, he threatened, unforced, a Third Party Run! They believed, as did I, that his immediate, divisive bombastic nonsensical rhetoric would meet with immediate rejection, justifying the intended Third Party Candidacy. His continued candidacy is simply Plan -B, and it’s working better than they thought possible!

          1. Phoebe Isley says

            See I disagree yet respect your honesty. I surely pray you are wrong so we will see right? Truly I will say I have been praying every day about this election . I am going to stay with having faith in Trump coming through with his word. He has my full attention but I am always well aware of my surroundings so to speak. God Bless and thanks again for your honesty.

  5. leewacker says

    The American people have been treated like trash long enough, and it is time for us to stand up and take our country back from the lying jerks who have caused untold misery for our people in favor of foreigners by traitors in our own government! This election campaign has seen all sorts of hijinks by candidates doing their best to sidetrack and eliminate the Constitution, by so doing actually telling the American people we do not count, just sit down, fold our hands, and shut up! I have one thing to say about the whole matter–from gun snatching to my vote (which is for TRUMP, by the way)
    WE SHALL NOT COMPLY!

    1. John Brown says

      Trump and Cruz are the biggest liers on the stump today. Take off your blinders and check out thes potential White House desasters.

      1. Laddyboy says

        SOOoo, john brown, you want to elect a future FELON for President or would you like to vote for the communist for President?.

        1. John Brown says

          What Felon? Last check their were NO Felons on ether ticket.
          You should check into what each person stanch for, Who they will really be representing, What changes they want to make and will be able to make with the present Congress make up. Who will benefit the workings class who pay the taxes that provide for government services,
          Are you for or against, going back to an all out war with a foreign country, Woman eights, equal pay, a livable minimum wage, affordable healthcare, affordable good education system, Re-payment of ALL the now interest loans that congress took from Social Security, good roads and bridges, clean water, air and sanitation systems, Corporations being held responsible for pollution resulting from there operations? These are the real issues and Not the loud soundbites that hit the news media.

          1. Ted Crawford says

            Seriously?!
            “woman eights”, You mean a woman’s right to commit Infanticide on the Tax Payers dime!
            “equal pay” _ Even Hillary pays her female staffers at 77% of her male staffers wage!
            “a livable minimum wage” – Minimum wage jobs were established for and intended to be ONLY transitional in nature. A beginning place for young people to get aquanted with the working world and develop work ethic. And an ending point for retired people to transition from working into full retirement. Only a lazy, moron would ever believe that they might raise a family on it!
            “Affordable health care” – Which is NOT what PPACA provides. Rather it provides extremely expensive, practically useless health care insurance!
            And ON and ON and ON with Straw-man nonsense! GET A CLUE!!

          2. John Brown says

            Fat fingers strikes again. Sorry. Hillary, as well most employers, will pay the minimum prevailing wages and people like Hillary and Trump probably do not really know what the individual employee is paid. That is the job of their hiring staff. If you want changes, vote for the person most likely to make the changes.

          3. joe says

            clinton IS A FELON open your eyes you lemming and you live in la la land where the hell do you think all the money is going to come from to set up your delusional land of fairies and sunshine WOW!!!

          4. John Brown says

            Prove it. Now one else has it has all been accusations.

          5. albaby2 says

            Ted Kennedy wasn’t charged with a felony either.

          6. John Brown says

            Dick Chaney was under “Contempt of Congress” charges through his term as VP. He clamed that he was exempt because he was the President of the Senet and Not a member of the Executive branch. That is a job held by the VP who IS a part of the Executive Branch of Government. It has always been that in every Government Text book I have ever seen.

            Then there was the Congressional STAMP scandal when Congress was using there Postal privileges for personal and political purposes. Strictly Illegal NO one charged.

            Then there was the Congressional Page scandal when it was found that Congressmen had been “Miss using” their pages in more ways than one. Again No one charged.

            In the Ted Kennedy affair, YOU Don’t know all the details and there was not enough evidence to bring charges that could be procured. You are assuming hearsay as facts.

            In the two Congressional scandals there was enough evidence to convict but there are laws that prevented production and only some fines were ever imposed.

            Laws are written for Lawyers for their benefit, Not yours or mine.

          7. albaby2 says

            The girl drowning in his car was not hearsay and neither was his planning to whitewash the story before he called for help.

          8. John Brown says

            Whatsoever that have to do with anything today and/or anyone alive and campaigning for office today.
            You are saying something about someone that First, you have NO true facts. Second, you are basing your decision and accusation on hearsay and Not on facts. Third, More authoritative and responsible people have racked over ALL the accusation for too many years without finding enough incrimination SOLID evidence to take any legal action.
            In short, you are basing your beliefs on irresponsible comments from other irresponsible people with alternative ambitions that don’t have anything to do with the truth and/or fact. You have been suckered in by others, NOT ME.

          9. albaby2 says

            Just like you are being suckered into believing Hillaries lies? The pols will cover for their pals.

          10. John Brown says

            No, I know how to check the facts. Something that you haven;t learned yet.

          11. albaby2 says

            Oh Really! The Chappaquiddick incident was a single-vehicle automobile accident on Chappaquiddick Island, Massachusetts on July 18, 1969. The incident involved longtime U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy. His young colleague, Mary Jo Kopechne, drowned.

            According to his own testimony, Kennedy accidentally drove his car off a one-lane bridge and into a tidal channel before swimming free, leaving the scene, and not reporting the accident for nine hours. Meanwhile, Kopechne had died in the car through drowning or suffocation. The next day, Kopechne’s body and the car were finally recovered by divers. Kennedy pleaded guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of a crash after causing injury and later received a two-month suspended jail sentence. The Chappaquiddick incident became a national scandal, and likely influenced Kennedy’s decision not to campaign for President in 1972 and 1976.

          12. John Brown says

            Yes and it was an alcohol related incident.

            It still has nothing to do with anyone campaigning today.

            Do you know half of what G.W. Bush did? Did you know that G.H. Bush bought W. his commission in the Texas National Guard that he transferred to another State to help a position run for office and No one ever remember seeing him preforming his duties in the Guard? Do you know that despite his TWO business degrees, was NEVER connected with ANY business venture including his partnership in the Texas Rangers baseball team. That as Texas Governor he wreck the States economy before getting elected as president and repeated the same failure?

            Or did you know that it was a Democratic Congress that voted to support Trump when he was on the edge of Bankruptcy? Do you know that the Famous Trump wall is a farce and will not and could not be built in less than 30 years? It is a ugly, destructive and useless venture that would cost the American people an extremely in finance, ecology, destructive of both government and privet land and more. This would be a CoE project. Do you know what CoE projects involve? I do.

            Do you know that Trump planes to give Nuclear weapons to some of the world’s most unstable countries?

            Trump wants to do away with one of the best pieces of Republicans in over 50 years, the EPA?

            Are you old enough to remember the pollution and the poison that industries dumped into the waterways and air. Do you remember the burning waterways?

            Kilpatrick has been has been investigated to death. If you know something that the authorities Don’t, They would like to talk to you.

      2. le3845 says

        John Brown. We can’t take you seriously if you cannot spell your message correctly. Also, should we believe the criminal liar Hillary or the Communist Bernie? You failed to mention them.

        1. John Brown says

          How Can I take you seriously when you can’t get your facts straight. Hillary has NEVER been convicted of any criminal offence. Check your facts, ALL the charges were politically motivated by the Republican Party. Even the Bengali hearings brought out the fact that the responsibility for that tragedy was squarely on the Republican opposition. Why do you think they keep beating that old dead horse if not in a attempt to cover their own collective asses.

          1. albaby2 says

            Not convicted only means she has lawyers that can convince politically appointed judges that it is in their best interests to not convict her.

          2. John Brown says

            That is the way the law works. Those politely elected judges were all Republican appointees. They never could produce enough real evidence of wrong doing that would stand up in court. That is from someone who had to sit on a number of juries.

          3. albaby2 says

            “Politely elected” judges? Forget your meds again ?

          4. John Brown says

            Yes, Judges are elected, appointed and/ or approved by political officials. No matter what State you live in, Judges are of one political origin or another.

          5. albaby2 says

            If the people don’t elect them and politicians appoint them, they are selected not elected.

          6. John Brown says

            The president is elected by the “Electoral College” an antique and was made obsolete by the electronic age. Delegate are under NO obligation to vote as there State popular voters result dictate.

          7. albaby2 says

            The real Benghazi findings will be released when they can find all of Hillaries deleted e-mails. Why didn’t Hillary prosecute the guy who made the video she said started the whole thing?

          8. John Brown says

            The Republican Report is out and vindicated Hilary.

          9. albaby2 says

            Give your source. I feel you are trolling for attention because you certainly can’t attract friends.

          10. John Brown says

            The Republican Report on Benghazi was released several months ago and it was on Network News.Try and keep up with current events, but don’t forget your history.

          11. joe says

            You are delusional and weak minded

          12. John Brown says

            No, just better informed than you are.

          13. Tired... says

            Wow, I didn’t know that she screwed up in India and Bangladesh as well! Thank you for the newsflash.

          14. John Brown says

            That is NOT what I said I said Bengasi. I have seen this twist in translation on these blogs before even using spell check.

          15. Tired... says

            I knew what you meant…it was a joke.

          16. John Brown says

            Wish someone would tell other that Clear Channel Radio and Fox Network News are all a big bad joke. At last check there accuracy rating has fallen be;ow 18% and that have never apologized or retracted a story. Even the head of Fox News said that they are NOT a journalistic News network, they are an Entertainment Network. People bereave what they want to and disregard the rest as the old song goes. People hear too much and listen too little.

          17. Tired... says

            John, we only hear what people want us to hear. Both sides do it, so the only way to gain perspective is to listen to both and then use critical thinking to filter out the garbage.

          18. John Brown says

            Yes, that is why I haven’t kicked the Tea Party and Gun nut newsletters off. I like to know what the opposition is thinking no matter how ridiculous and stupid it is. It is amazing to see so many lies that can easily be checked, but people are too lazy to check. I found that I get the best and most complete news from NPR. You often get it first and more than the short blurpe that the networks have time to give a story. They have NO sponsors with political agendas to push. Their sponsors ARE the member listeners like you and me.

            No, the government only provides about 17% of their operating expenses.

          19. Tired... says

            Then you are more honorable than most. However we disagree on the quality of Obama’s Presidency.

          20. John Brown says

            Anyone who says did not accomplish anything either had Not been paying attention, have selective memory and/or lying.

            He had had to work against a “Do Nothing Congress” and constant resistance from boogied Congressmen through his term in office. Take another look at his accomplishments and how much help he got from Congress. The Republicans (mostly Southern Whites) refused to work with a Black man. The Republicans refused to work with the president on the ACA by refusing to try and make changes to benefit the people. The irony is that he has been a better Republican President than the past 3 Republican Presidents. To top it off, he met and or exceeded every issue that Romney ran on. Find a true Republican in Congress: he has to meet the standards of A. Lincoln, T. Roosevelt and Eisenhower, the all-time great Republicans. Good luck. Most All of those in Congress today are true opposites of these men.

          21. Tired... says

            I never said he didn’t accomplish anything; I just said that he isn’t a good president. Every President has to work with Congress; sometimes they are controlled by his party and sometimes not. Since the role of Congress is to represent the will of their constituents, not agree with the President, it is not uncommon for the process to be cumbersome. Legislators opposed President Obama’s agenda for a variety of reasons, most of them philosophical, not racial. I guess that we differ on the definition of what constitutes a great Republican, but President Obama is a far cry from LIncoln and I have never heard Eisenhower mentioned as a great Republican. Teddy was more of a progressive, so in that regard he had a lot in common with President Obama.

          22. John Brown says

            Yes, in theory the Democrat party did have some what control of Congress but Not complete. Republicans, ware not in the majority, still had enough clout to throw up roadblocks. They did hold most of the control of the Do Nothing Republican House during the first 4 years and now, after much gerrymandering of State Congressional voting districts, after “Citizens United” and the “Voting Rights Act” rulings, gave the Republicans the Senate.

            Hands down he beat out G. W. Bush and his disaster of an administration. I lost my 401K four times due to him and his policies extremely limited my job prospects. He also ran up a national Debt that equaled ALL the national debts combined from the Revolution war to date. Obama caught hell when he had to refinance The Bush debt and add on what was needed to run his. Obama only added about 17% to the national Debt. You are welcome to go back and check the numbers and I hope you do. My 401K was cut in half on 4 deferent occasions due to actions by Bush. With Obama I regained about 25% with only minor stock market adjustments. If you have ever seen the movie “W” it is a very true depiction of G.W. Bush that was confirmed by people that I knew who knew him personally and his family. When I was in the Air Force, it was well known that G. H. Bush bought G.W. Bush a slot in the Texas National Guard. For someone with degrees from two of the best known business colleges, G.W. Bush was never in a successful business. Not even the baseball team that he was a partnership with ever won a championship.

          23. Tired... says

            John, I appreciate the fact that we disagree yet are still able to have a conversation devoid of name calling. This is almost unheard of in these forums.

            I am no fan of many of G. W.’s policies, but this account is a bit one sided. If you recall, the airline industry almost went under following 9/11, and the economy was in shambles as fear gripped the nation. Add to this the .com bubble, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as well as low interest rates on personal savings and you have a recipe for some serious financial problems. On December 31, 2008 the total public debt outstanding was $10,699,804,864,612.13 and today that number is $19,218,673,186,359.42. These numbers came directly from http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=01&startYear=2009&endMonth=&endDay=&endYear= As you can see, that is not a 17 % increase.

            I am not sure how Citizens United grossly shapes the political process, as both sides are affected by this decision, but I do know that for decades my father’s union used his money to support candidates that he did not and there was nothing that he could do about it. In addition I recall an interview with a poll worker in Ohio who, following President Obama’s 2008 election, bragged about voting for him eight times, as well as the bag of ballots that mysteriously showed up after the votes had been tallied in Minnesota’s Senatorial elections in 2008, giving Franken the edge over Coleman. In my home state, I recall the local newspaper in a strongly Democratic city talking about how some families received jury duty notices for family members who had been dead for a number of years. The story was dropped as soon as it was learned that the notices were sent out based on the record of those who voted within the previous two years. I am not naive enough to assume that this does not happen on the Republican side as well, but we need to be honest about the role that everyone has played in creating this mess, including ourselves.

          24. John Brown says

            Yes, I can see that there is a bookkeeping thing involved. Remember that Obama had to re-finance the debt. And add his expenses as well. You have to take into consideration that it nearly doubles the debt due to interest rates. I know that it is confusing as hell but the increase was that and the money borrowed for the bailout’s, that at last check, about 95% had been repaid with interest to cover that money plus a great deal more. The same can’t be said for the airlines. What saved the airlines is when the High Court gave the airlines ALL the money that was to go to the pilot’s retirement and reduced the airline pay drastically. The courts actuarially allowed the airlines to brake the airlines pilots contract stealing there pension as they went. The airlines again got off scot free. That was the second time that president was instrumental in Union braking. Reagan did the same to the air traffic controllers. All they wanted was better equipment. Many airports are still using the same out dated equipment. Happy flying.

            There is a lot that took place before 9/11 that left a cracker trail back to the G.W.’s Whitehouse. Intelligence agents forecasted and sent reports back to Washington before 9/11 that went without action.

            Citizens United opened the door for corporations and billionaires like the Koch brothers funnel enough money into elections to buy control of the elected officials. It has always been that Republicans rely heavily on Corporations for there financial base. Anti-Trust keep them at bay for years, but Citizens United declared that Corporations had the same rights as the individual. And the dark money started pouring in. Democrats rely on money from the working class. Look at the laws this way. Republicans allow pollution and Democrats have to pay to clean up there mess.

          25. Tired... says

            We disagree again. Both sides have had a hand in creating the mess, including the national debt. Bush inherited the debt of his predecessors just like every other president. I am not saying that Republicans are without blame, but I am saying that the Democrats are just as dirty. Dark money was pouring in long before Citizens United. George Soros and others like him have been doing the same thing on the Democratic side as the Koch brothers. In addition unions have been bleeding their members to support Democratic candidates for decades. If the Democrats get their money from the working class, why do they have so many high priced fundraisers? No one that I know from the working class can afford to attend them. Both parties receive money from corporations, not just one, and the Republicans are supported by the working class as well. They are not, however, supported by the welfare class, which leans heavily Democrat.

            I have no difficulty accepting the fact that Republicans/conservatives are far from perfect and argue that both sides bear the blame for our current situation. For example I do not think that either bailout should have occurred; in my opinion, both were wrong. What I object to is the idea that only the Republicans are at fault while the Democrats are blameless.

            In a similar issue, the EPA (or any other agency) can be good and it can be bad. What is our common ground? Well, I am confident that neither of us wants the Cuyahoga River to catch fire. Again, I do not see this as an either/or issue; however I do not need the EPA or the BLM managing the water in my ditch. The issue is one of freedom. Does the government exist to serve us or do we exist to serve the government?

          26. John Brown says

            There is no doubt that ALL government agencies have good and bad in them. They were all structured by lawyers for lawyers. Less not throw the baby out with the bath water either. I grew up in what is known as the Oil Patch. I have lived and worked in and around the Oil Refining industry all my life and have seen and experienced the overwhelming good the EPA has accomplished and I breathe easier for it. Less not forget the Smog that inundated most of the largest cities in this country and China has been suffering the same fate. Again, each time that Republicans have tried to weaken and destroy OSHA and the EPS people have gotten sick and/or died. Texas got lucky with the North Texas Fertilizer explosion and no one was engaged.

            When Clinton left office he did not leave a debt he left a surplus. Bush did the same thing in Washington as he did in Texas. Anne Richards left a sizable surplus that was ear marked for school computers. In both cases the surplus despaired within 6 months of him taking office and it did not get to the places that it was for.

            Remember ware Corporations get the money they spend to buy elected officials to do their bidding, It comes from there customers like you and me. The average Democratic contribution is about $250 but there is so much “Dark” money in the Republican campaigns that they have always refused to release statics. “Citizens United” allows them to hide who gives what and how much. The democrats have for the most part been as open as possible. People like the Koch brothers can afford to dump Millions into political campaigns to sway positions to do their bidding. The same thing happened about 100 years ago when the major Tycoons of the day were doing the same until Teddy Roosevelt stopped them.

          27. Tired... says

            I agree that the EPA can have a very good role to play as long as it is kept in balance; the problem that I struggle with is that these agencies have become too political. Once they become political, then it is time to clean them out and start over.

            Help me understand what you mean when you say surplus: Are you suggesting that we had no national debt when he left office? You see, to me a surplus is something that you have once you have paid all of your bills and as far as I know Clinton never paid off the national debt.

            Soros and other billionaires have done the same thing for the Democrats. If you want to get rid of the dirty money, then let’s get rid of it all. I am sorry, but I am too old to believe that the Democrats have been open about much of anything.

      3. albaby2 says

        Learn to spell liars, these, and disasters and get back to me..

        1. John Brown says

          Ge real. This is a blog Not an essay contest. Do you tell your local news paper how to spell? You can find many miss spelled words there. Same goes in most of the professional e-mail.

        2. hangem'high says

          Be careful he might be a Harvard graduate!

      4. hangem'high says

        Who’s the biggest liar I guess we will never know?

        https://youtu.be/DLNnRxCaBmY

  6. Jim McCormack says

    Obama and his Democrats have created a NAZI Like government, arresting and punishing descent , restricting Freedom of Speech and our Second Amendment. Liberal Judges and anti -Constitutional Lawmakers is the key. The Majority of people have spoken . They don’t want to be responsible for their own protection. “Karma ” is their attitude. It’s like keeping good brakes and tires to keep a car safe. Karma is on the side of the “prepared”. To see a person shooting another and watch helplessly with out a gun is pure cowardice. To get helplessly beat to death because you refused to arm yourself is SUICIDE.

    1. MAHB001 says

      The ONLY difference between America right now and the Germany that succumbed to Hitler is that the American public is armed.

      Protect your second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

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        1. MAHB001 says

          Scum puppet you been flagged.

          1. John Doe says

            I flagged the maggot too, why is there ad not down ?

          2. MAHB001 says

            That is up to the moderators… Sometimes they take them down sometimes they don’t… The poster Marilyn is some kind of computer bot. new name every hour..

          3. Dennis Derstine says

            Well, I keep flagging and giving a down vote. Maybe if we all do the mods will get the hint.

        2. joe says

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        3. Tired... says

          Please take this garbage of the site.

      2. Tiger says

        Amen

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          1. MAHB001 says

            Flagged you scum puppet.

      3. James Andrews says

        Exactly.

      4. Betterbob says

        Ban all hand guns.
        33,000 people a year are dead because of guns.
        84,000 people got to hospital every year because of gunshot wounds.

        1. MAHB001 says

          Banning the guns would only take the guns away from the law abiding citizens. Leaving them defenseless.

          Your reckless thoughts hurt far more than help.

          1. Betterbob says

            No it wouldn’t. If we had the proper will to do it we could get most of the hand guns off the streets. There will always be some but it would be drastically reduced.

            33,000 people a year are dead because of guns. 84,000 people got to hospital every year.

            What would you suggest to reduce this number?

          2. MAHB001 says

            Some are dead because evil people did evil things to make them dead.
            Some are dead because good people used guns to defend themselves, and the evil ones died.

            The problem with your stats is you do not separate the two. You assume all that died were innocent.

            Your 33,000 number includes both… Your 84,000 number includes innocent police men injured while protecting themselves, some of whom would be dead if they did not fire back…

            Banning all hand guns will only be followed by law abiding citizens. Once disarmed, those citizens will not be able to protect themselves. You ignore the stats that show that victims increase in all cases where guns were taken away from the law abiding citizens… ALL CASES…

            If you want to reduce the number of victims follow the golden rule.

            Do unto others as you would have them do to yourself.

            If everybody followed that simple rule, there would be a huge decrease in those numbers.
            Steal only if you want to be stolen from.
            Kill only if you want to be killed.
            Rape only if you want to be raped.

            Do you understand?

          3. Betterbob says

            I do not need to separate the numbers into catagories. 33,000 dead by gunfire is 33,000 dead by “gunfire no matter who pulls the trigger.

            I will not be part of the crowd that tries to rationalize away the majority of these deaths. you can say what ever you like.

            The US has the 12th worse death rate by guns out of 72 countries.
            The countries with more are.
            Honduras, Venezuela, Swaziland, Guatemala, Jamaica, El Salvador, Colombia, Brazil, Panama, South Africa and Uruguay.

            As you can see most of them are south or central America. Not good company to be in

            You say quote “You ignore the stats that show that victims increase in all cases where
            guns were taken away from the law abiding citizens… ALL CASES.”

            What stats are those and where do they come from? I dispute the validity of that statement.

            As for your golden rule. If that were the law of the land we would have complete anarchy.
            As I have said before death by gunfire is death by gunfire, period

            Our rate of gunfire deaths is 10.54 per 100,000 (2014 figures).
            The rate of gunfire death in Australia, a country that bought back most firearms after a mass shooting is 0.93 per 100,000. less than 9% of ours.
            The UK which has strict gun laws has a gunfire death rate of 0.23, just 2% of ours.
            If they can do it so can we, or are they that much smarter than us?

          4. MAHB001 says

            Bob,

            You are a hypocrite and a fool.

            You will not rationalize away the majority of these deaths, yet you will rationalize away the fact that your proposed gun bans do nothing but make things worse for the majority of the people.

            You foolishly refuse to recognize that your actions would harm far more than it would help.

            How about these stats for you.

            Joesef Stalin
            In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

            Ottoman Turkey
            In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

            Adolf Hitler
            Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

            Mao Tze Tung
            China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

            Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

            Idi Amin
            Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

            Pol Pot
            Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

            AND to add insult to your stupidity, Countries like Austrailia suffered huge increases in OVERALL VIOLENCE, thus increasing the number of VICTIMS. So you would prefer rape victims to be victims as compared to having a gun to protect themselves.

            TRY to pay attention to this video.
            https://youtu.be/Ooa98FHuaU0

          5. Betterbob says

            First, I never watch silly videos people post so you wasted your time.
            Next, notice any similarity between all the so called stats you posted (Actually the are not statistics. I know, I teach stats at the graduate level).
            Anyway, the common element is none of them survived very long in comparison to other countries because tyrants never do.

            Now look at these statistics (these are statistics) from Austria, Brazil,
            New Zealand, Israel, Switzerland, Norway, South Africa, Colombia.
            I’ll also add a couple more countries that have strict gun control; UK, Australia, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia.
            That is 13 thriving democracies that have gun restrictions and none of them in imminent danger of collapse or take over by a tyrant. That is against your 6 examples all who have disappeared.

            Sorry, but your example is just a bunch of scare mongering. If our Republic is not politically strong enough to survive it will collapse into anarchy whether we have guns or not. You argument is just a bunch of bunkum.I don’t believe that is going to happen.

            So I think this shows you are the hypocrite and a fool if you really believe that load of garbage you give out. Ban all hand guns.

            A 2007 study found evidence that gun control laws passed in Austria in 1997 reduced the rates of firearm suicide and homicide in that country. In Brazil, after disarmament laws were passed in 2003, gun-related mortality declined by 8% in 2004 relative to the previous year, the first decline observed in a decade. Gun-related hospitalizations also reversed their previous trend by decreasing 4.6% from 2003 to 2004. A 2006 study found that after gun control laws were passed in New Zealand in 1992, homicides committed with guns declined significantly, especially among youth. The same study found a decline in youth suicide after the laws were passed, but also concluded that “it is not possible to determine the extent to which this was accounted for by changes in firearms legislation or other causes.” A 2010 study looked at the effect of a policy adopted by the Israeli Defense Forces that restricted access to guns among adolescents on suicide rates, and found that “Following the policy change, suicide rates decreased significantly by 40%.” The authors concluded that “The results of this study illustrate the ability of a relatively simple change in policy to have a major impact on suicide rates.” A 2013 study showed that after the Military of Switzerland adopted the Army XXI reform, which restricted gun availability, in 2003, suicide rates—both overall and firearm-related—decreased. Another 2013 study looking at four restrictive gun laws passed in Norway found that two of them may have reduced firearm mortality among men, but that the evidence was more inconclusive with respect to all of the laws they studied.[83] A 2014 study found that after South Africa’s Firearm Control Act was passed in 2000, homicide rates in the country declined, and concluded that “stricter gun control mediated by the FCA accounted for a significant decrease in homicide overall, and firearm homicide in particular, during the study period [2001-2005].” A 2000 study found that a ban on carrying guns in Colombia was associated with reductions in homicide rates in two cities in the country, namely, Cali and Bogotá

          6. MAHB001 says

            And I shall not waste my time reading your post…

            You should know that this video was talking about you specifically. Being in academia I am sure you think you are way too smart to fall for this crap….

            It is your arrogance that makes you so easy to brainwash.

            https://youtu.be/mqSV72VNnV0

          7. Betterbob says

            No the video was not talking about me specifically, because no one has ever made a video about me.
            Here is a couple of things that make you look even dumber than you proably are.
            1) How would you know someone in a video is talking about me when you do not even know who I am?
            2) Why would you continue to do something that is totally unproductive and will serve absolutely no purpose when you have this information before you do it. I told you quote “I never watch silly videos people post so you wasted your time.” Yet you still wasted time an effort finding uploading and posting another video.
            That is as pretty dumb thing to do.

          8. MAHB001 says

            1) You fit the description, to a tee. Yes, you are a victim of Ideological subversion. You are not the only one, but he does mention that the brainwashed are teaching in our schools and throughout society.

            Even though you are lost, you are irreparable, those that read these posts and watch these videos might not be.

            2) I don’t post for you, I post this stuff to help those that want to be helped.

            I will pray for you, but if you are successful, your end is to be squashed like a cockroach. Sorry.

          9. Betterbob says

            Quote ” Yes, you are a victim of Ideological subversion.” What does that mean?
            According to you anyone who disagrees with your point of view has been brainwashed. What a conceited and totally asinine statement to think you and your ilk are the only ones who can think independently.. May be you are the one brainwashed.
            It is no wonder we have so much polarity in this country when you are of that mind set. People like you are a disgrace to the US. Your selfish condescending ways are the reason so many people in the world dislike us.
            As for your video post quote” I don’t post for you, I post this stuff to help those that want to be helped” Then why did you pot them as a reply to me, twice”. Also, what makes you think you have anything to teach anyone. A person with your kind of conceit and selfishness would only post that for one reason, some sort of self gain. In your case your life has probably been such a failure that it is the only way you can salvage your self esteem.
            As for you praying for me, 1) they would be so insincere they would be useless. 2) you are only saying that for your own gratification and 3) there is no such thing as a magical person in the sky who hears prays. Anyone who believes that has been completely brainwashed and can only spout doctrinal claptrap.

          10. MAHB001 says

            What does that mean? You need to watch the video to figure it out. Regardless of what I say to you, you will dismiss it. You already have.

            One can not awaken someone who pretends to be asleep. You are not even pretending.

            “The goal of socialism is communism.”
            —–Lenin

            “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”
            —-Lenin

            “One man with a gun can control 100 without one.”
            —-Lenin

            “Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
            ——Lenin

          11. Betterbob says

            Regardless of what I say to you, you will dismiss it. You already have.

            Go stick your Lenin quotes where the sun don’t shine, I’m not impressed.
            You are just like all the rest of your buddies. All you can do is attempt to throw insults (your not good at that either). Not one original thought out of that mush you call a brain

          12. MAHB001 says

            No I do not dismiss what you say, I refute it and prove it wrong.

            For instance, if you take the gun deaths out of the 5 largest cities, cities that ALREADY IMPOSE your draconian gun laws, you will find that Americas gun deaths are better in the US than the countries you cite.. That means the draconian gun laws that you propose are not working, they are actually making things worse…

            Your BS gun violence stats have been debunked a billion times, you on the other hand dismiss EVERY one of the debunks… You are not here to learn anything, you are on these posts to spread disinformation.

            Your inability to accept anything that goes against your masters teachings is astounding, you can’t even admit that everything you believe in comes from Lenin…. You are completely demoralized as the video states.

            The things I say are not meant as insults, they are meant to try to help you. But even more important they are meant to show others just how conditioned and controlled you are. So that others reading these posts do not fall for the same crap you have.

          13. Betterbob says

            I’m not reading your garbage. You are wasting your time. Good bye.

          14. MAHB001 says

            Goodbye.

          15. Betterbob says

            Chicken, err no, herring but very yellow.

          16. MAHB001 says

            Just responding to your wishes.

          17. Betterbob says

            You have never responded to anyone’s wishes.

          18. MAHB001 says

            Your not a nice person are you?

          19. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Bob u wearing pink panties

          20. Betterbob says

            No idea what that means.

          21. Betterbob says

            RED HERRINGS
            33,000 dead from gunfire every year in the US 84,000 requiring hospital care because of gunfire. That is what we need to concentrate on. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0924c34c372c4dc635e81d7a4fda9145aa6e610123ba9ba3ab72ecbe4ddfba05.gif

          22. MAHB001 says

            As I said, your stats are the red herring, it is illogical to assume that banning guns is going to do anything except increase the carnage.

          23. Betterbob says

            Wow!!! what a logical mind you have. Remove the guns and more people get shot.
            See anything wrong with that.?

            By the by, you seem to like numbers (I don’t really think you know what statistics really are) when countries ban guns, shootings go down.

          24. MAHB001 says

            You can not remove the guns….

            Look at the cities stats. Those with the tightest gun control have the most gun issues.

            So what you are saying is that you really don’t give a flying F about the victims of violence as long as you get the guns…. Each action, like the banning of handguns, which is basically banning all firearms, has ramifications. You are saying you really don’t care if these people can defend themselves…

            That is reckless, foolish, and evil.

          25. Betterbob says

            If we had the will we could. It is only weak minded quitters like you that stop us.

          26. MAHB001 says

            Thanks for affirming that you really don’t care about humans.

          27. Betterbob says

            You really do have a twisted logic. Bet you back the chump as well.

          28. MAHB001 says

            You are the one ridding the backwards bicycle…
            That is what your brainwashing has done to you.. Taught you to think in the opposite direction of all kind and passionate human beings….

            Try to view this with an open mind, I really am trying to help you.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0

          29. MAHB001 says

            wrong, you need to remove evil from men before you can accomplish your goals of making this place a safer place without guns….

            Nothing in any of your comments tells me that you are even addressing the core problem. Humans are evil…. And your intent to disarm law abiding citizens so they can no longer protect themselves is evil…. We are all born with the right to protect ourselves…

          30. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            I shall not waste my time reading your liberal ignorant low energy post…

          31. Betterbob says

            Good.

          32. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Ignorant Bob low energy and pathetic posts! Get some common sense 70 years of ignorance!

          33. Betterbob says

            I thought you said quote “I shall not waste my time reading your liberal ignorant low energy post. See you just can’t be trusted.

          34. MAHB001 says

            One more point betternotbob…

            You say that following the golden rule will end up in complete anarchy. What proof do you have of that?

            Are you saying you believe everyone wants to live in anarchy?

            I don’t think you actually think about what you repeat.. You just spew out what your handlers tell you to say, without injecting any personal thoughts.

          35. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Exactly Bob is a liberal CROOKED HILLARY FOLLOWER!

          36. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            some are dead because evil people did evil things to make them dead.

            Some are dead because good people used guns to defend themselves, and the evil ones died.

            The problem with your stats is you do not separate the two. You assume all that died were innocent.

            Your 33,000 number includes both… Your 84,000 number includes innocent police men injured while protecting themselves, some of whom would be dead if they did not fire back…

            Banning all hand guns will only be followed by law abiding citizens. Once disarmed, those citizens will not be able to protect themselves. You ignore the stats that show that victims increase in all cases where guns were taken away from the law abiding citizens… ALL CASES…

            If you want to reduce the number of victims follow the golden rule.

            Do unto others as you would have them do to yourself.

            If everybody followed that simple rule, there would be a huge decrease in those numbers.

            Steal only if you want to be stolen from.

            Kill only if you want to be killed.

            Rape only if you want to be raped.

            Do you understand?

          37. Betterbob says

            Dead from gun fire is dead from gun fire. You trying to rationalize that away is not going to work.

          38. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Its going to work if u can comprehend what I posted. Are you a liberal?

          39. Betterbob says

            Oh I comprehend what you post. You have more garbage coming out of you than a herd of elephants with diarrhea.
            And remember only 265 days until the inauguration of President Hillary Clinton. Then we can look forward to 8 more years of a well governed country, just like the last seven, and lots of gun control. Have a nice day 🙂 🙂 🙂

          40. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Oh bob your mouth is a filthy as a toilet…Crooked Hillary will not be President! Crooked Hillary will be in an orange jump suit.TRUMP will be our next President! Have a horrible day!!! :)))))

          41. Betterbob says

            It has been 1128 days since the start of investigations. 7 congressional investigations. 32 congressional hearings. 2780 questions asked. 11 published reports.70,000 pages of documents provided by the state department. A cost of $20,000,000.

            Results. 0 Investigation that have found any administration wrong doing. 0 investigations that have found an intelligence failure. 0 investigation to find evidence of a stand down order.

            See how stupid you are
            By the by I thought you said quote “I shall not waste my time reading your liberal ignorant low energy post.
            Totally unreliable.

          42. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Oh Bob you are a lost cause its the liberal racist hateful ignorant mind you have! You area liberal low energy moron! Bob go read a book if you can ha ha ha

          43. Betterbob says

            Ahh!! lost an argument so you turn to insults as an alternative. Typical and pathetic. $20,000,000 spent on this with not one piece of evidence produced to show even a misdemeanor. As the party of fiscal responsibility how much more money would you like to waste?

          44. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Bob can u get some common sense stop watching that Liberal racist propganda media Cnn, Msnbc, Huffpost, Nytimes it shows how pathetic you really are….

          45. Betterbob says

            Sorry you are wrong again as usual. Still batting a 1000.
            I do not have cable, satellite or local TV in my house. Have not had it for years. It is only for morons like you.

          46. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            I crushed you Bob you are losing the argument look at you…low energy, pathetic and liberal low life!

          47. Betterbob says

            No I’m not losing the argument. Want proof? Easy, you came back with no counter argument to refute my data, ergo, I win.

          48. MAHB001 says

            GodBlessRealAmerica,

            Did you write the post that I am responding to or or did I? I think I have been posting too much….

          49. Mark Lahti says

            Hey there mad as hell. How’s it going on that web site of yours? I wanted to tell you that this BB idiot will never see the light. But I suppose you already know that. You do give it a hellva good try though. I would have said that if you take the black on black gang related gun violence in just four of the largest cities in the US out of the stats. Instead of the US being in the top five in gun violence in the world we would drop down to fifty something. Right in the same ball park as the two countries he used as examples. But like we both know you can’t fix stupid and arguing with a liberal troll is a totally useless endeavor. God Bless and keep up the good fight.

          50. MAHB001 says

            Hi Mark,

            The web site is plugging along. We need more people to fill out the petitions and a ton more people to sign up. Are you getting the weekly emails?

            You make an excellent point that I had forgotten.

            The top five largest cities in the US have some of the toughest gun laws in the US as well. Yet this guy will not recognize that his gun bans do not work, he will not acknowledge that those laws are producing more victims than saving lives….

            He is a fool and a moron, he is being used as a useful idiot.

          51. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Great Post!

          52. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            drugs liberal drugs are making people violent not guns its the person wake up out of that Liberal comatose!

          53. Betterbob says

            So you do not think this country is smart enough that we could get the guns off the street if we really want to (which the gun lobby does not want to happen because if the criminals lost their guns they would have no case). I guess you don’t have much confidence in the country you live in. Doesn’t that make you ashamed to call yourself an American. Me, I believe we could do it if we had the will.That makes me proud to be an American. See the difference. I have confidence in this country, you do not.

          54. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Bob please READ THIS: What if 4 Liberal racist thugs broke in your liberal trailer park and grabbed your family and wife and robbed your home??? You don’t have a gun or any protection to DEFEND your Liberal ignorant butt what does Bob do????

            Please choose the right answer Liberal Bob

            A) Bob runs out of the trailer park like a liberal racist coward

            B) Bob grabs his baseball bat against armed men

            C) Bob trys to pay them off with funds

            D) Bob changes his name to betterignorant Bob and pleads like a baby to the criminals

            E) Bob wish he had a gun for protection to Save his family from liberal racist thugs

          55. Betterbob says

            Stupid comment from a stupid jerk.
            1) I don’t live in a trailer park. Why would I with a 6 figure salary?
            2) Thieves wont break into my home despite the fact I have no guns and never have in nearly 70 years.
            3) The reason why they will not break in. 5 dogs.

            Idiot.

          56. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Hey idiot! The answer was D…. and I know you sold your trailer park.

            You have 70 years of ignorance! Your 5 dogs are Chihuahua ‘s

          57. Betterbob says

            If you think that come over and pet them.
            I shall not waste my time reading your liberal ignorant low energy post. Pathetic.

          58. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Bob you little doggies are weak like you! You area disgrace and you are losing common sense in yoor Old liberal ignorant days!

          59. Betterbob says

            My dogs, and the previous ones have kept me safe with out the need of a gun for nearly 70 years, fact. Your only argument against that is stupid ignorant statements that have no basis in reality, ergo, you live in a world of fantasy.

          60. MAHB001 says

            That and the liberal process of dehumanization and the destruction of morals…

        2. Rick Beyer says

          I have never heard of an implement of any kind kill or harm any one Including guns, blades, bludgeons,(baseball bats, hammers, 2X4’s etc), and other implements. The common denominator is always a human. We have heard of machines like unattended automobiles roll down an incline over kids, Humans die in swimming pools, bathtubs and even buckets, rocks rolling and falling from hills and mountains killing and harming folks, trees falling and killing and injuring people, wind and water have been known to kill and harm people and property on massive scales. But guns and other implements must be manipulated by human hands. No gun, blade, or bludgeon has ever run-amok and harmed anyone. Human hands are always the common denominator. Would you suggest we ban human hands?

          1. Betterbob says

            Red Herring, all of it.
            When a person has a gun they can kill more people faster and from a greater distance Stop trying to give excuses for guns, especially hand guns. It does not work. 33,000 deaths by gunfire per year. 84,000 hospital related injures by gunfire every year. That is the cold sober facts.

          2. MAHB001 says

            I’ll take those odds over:

            Joesef Stalin
            In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From
            1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
            were rounded up and exterminated

          3. Betterbob says

            Red Herring. There are many examples of good working democracies that have gun control laws and not one government is killing the population. Also the majority have a lower gun homicide rate than the US. For example. US rate of gun homicides 10.34 per 100,000. UK 0.06 per 100,000. The US is 172 times greater.

            OK, I’m ready to knock down your next argument.

          4. MAHB001 says

            I can see you are full of the red herrings yourself.

            You prove my point that when a liberal like yourself cries, Red Herring, it is only to introduce a red herrings of his own.

            You use the term red herring in error. Your handlers have convinced you that all things they say are red herrings are to be ignored. The intent is so that you will ignore history… To allow history to repeat itself.

            Name ONE democracy that is not a ally of the United States that has disarmed its civilians and not turned into a tyrannical government.

            Name one Communists state that used useful idiots to aid in the disarming of its society so that it could slaughter all dissidents…Do you realize Russia devised a list of agenda items designed to weaken America way back in the 1930s and you have been conditioned to follow the list without question. Look into the book, “The Naked Communist.” You will find the list, you will discover that the list has been adopted by your handlers, and you have fallen for each item on that list.

          5. Betterbob says

            As I just said in my last post to you All you can do is attempt to throw insults (your not good at that either). Not one original thought out of that mush you call a brain .
            If you think I’m going to read that garbage, that is another fantasy of yours.

          6. MAHB001 says

            Can’t name one can you.

            That is because one doesn’t exist.. All Countries that have disarmed its citizens have fallen to a tyrant.

            The reason for the second amendment is to keep a balance of power between the Government and the people. Or more aptly to keep the power with the people…

            Your gun bans are the Red Herrings, and you are foolish to think otherwise.

          7. Betterbob says

            Can’t name one what?
            If you can read I said I was not going to read your garbage. So it is not a matter of I cannot answer it it is a matter of I have no idea what you are rabbiting on about.

          8. Betterbob says

            What has them being allies of the US got to do with anything.
            The 2nd amendment is the 2nd biggest mistake in the constitution it should br repealed. The first is the constitution never talks of responsibility, something you know nothing about.
            Anyway this is all a red herring on your part. 33,000 dead from gunfire every year in the US 84,000 requiring hospital care because of gunfire. That is what we need to concentrate on.

          9. MAHB001 says

            Hello hypocrite.

            Allies work under the protection of the United States, in turn if they were to turn all out tyrannical the US would step in and protect those citizens. I submit to you that those countries are staying honest due to the honesty of the United States.

            Your Gun Ban calls for the destruction of the Constitution via the cancellation of the 2nd Amendment. Only an enemy of America would call for such nonsense.

            Or enemies love to see the population disarmed. Socialist and Liberal progressives within our own government have nepharious reasons to disarm the public.

            “One man with a gun can control 100 without one.”
            —-Lenin or Stalin, it really doesn’t matter

            History has shown that the Constitution created the GREATEST country in the world to date, and you come up with some hate America dribble.

            Your red herring data points have been debunked and you pretending that they are not, is just silly. As I have pointed out, the gun laws in the 5 largest cities in America have not worked, and you propose the same nationwide, ignoring the consequences.

          10. Betterbob says

            Bull hockey. Allies do not work under the protection of the US. Go stand in Trafalgar Square and say that you will very quickly get your answer. It is big headed idiots like you thatv get the US a bad name. You really are a liability to this country.

            But all that is just another red herring on your part.
            The subject is death by gunfire in the US.
            33,000 dead from gunfire every year in the US 84,000 requiring hospital care because of gunfire. That is what we need to concentrate on. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0924c34c372c4dc635e81d7a4fda9145aa6e610123ba9ba3ab72ecbe4ddfba05.gif

          11. MAHB001 says

            Allies have like values, we stand together protecting each other.

            The solutions you propose to your red herring are worse than the red herring to begin with.

          12. Betterbob says

            That is not what you said before. Quote “Allies work under the protection of the United States”

            Change your tune to fit the conversation don’t you?

          13. MAHB001 says

            hellooooo, what does standing together protecting each other mean to you?

            How about work under the protection of the United States….

          14. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Stick it up yo Liberal Democrackhead A$$!

          15. Betterbob says

            Again, all you have is stupid remarks, no rebuttal. I win.

          16. hangem'high says

            U must be a Cruz supporter or sympathizer!

          17. Betterbob says

            100% wrong.

          18. hangem'high says

            I guess that’s a win?
            For Cruz.

          19. Betterbob says

            Cruz wont win anything.

          20. hangem'high says

            That’s absolutely a win for TRUMP!

          21. Betterbob says

            The chump could not win an egg and spoon race.
            The worst insult you can give someone. I hear you flunked out of trump university. The second worst insult. I hear you graduated from trump university.
            Dump the chump.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/488b4ffc3ff319a6fe9ca0a968271871142e58656f289d60d7c8263a91176b7f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5ff777928e482534f8e48d6bec9da8d3fa2896270ecc1027aa1ad2d25e585ea0.png

          22. hangem'high says

            Be all U can be at Trump University, and never lose an insult! A+ rating

            Vote Trump 2016!

          23. Betterbob says

            A+ rating by who? the chump! Self praise is no recommendation.
            chumps immigration policy deport 11.3 million illegal immigrants.

            In January 2011, Kumar Kibble — then the deputy director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement — told lawmakers
            that it costs about $12,500 to deport one immigrant from the United
            States. Multiply that by 11.3 million — the size of the undocumented
            population in 2014, according to the Pew Research Center — and you get $141.3 billion.

            Hows that going to affect your tax bill?

          24. hangem'high says

            About as much as Obummer flying three hundred thousand Muslims on the tax payers dime, but can’t find the buss tab to drive ‘em across the Border?

          25. Betterbob says

            What 300,000 Muslims are you talking of ? Oh! and it is spelt OBAMA. You may want to ask your chump buddy to put aside a few bucks for spelling classes for you and your buddies.

            Get your facts right.
            U.S. House of Representatives has just approved the funding for the
            issuance of nearly 300,000 visas to migrants from Muslim countries in
            one year. The house is republican controlled.

            Cost of chump wall $25 billion plus $1.2 billion a year maintenance. Now add that to your tax bill. chump is going to cost you a pretty penny.
            Dump the chump.

          26. hangem'high says

            A win, win for the American citizen also he would stop the five hundred billion a year flowing out of Americans pocket and into foreign dictators pockets. U want fundamental change move to Greece!

            https://youtu.be/ckypeZctcGk

          27. Betterbob says

            No association with my post. I don’t watch silly little videos

          28. hangem'high says

            Thought we were talking Money??

          29. Betterbob says

            And, your point is?

          30. hangem'high says

            U have any???

          31. Betterbob says

            I still do not know what your point is.

          32. hangem'high says

            Well professor we’ve always got till spring break!

          33. Betterbob says

            That passed a long time ago. Still no idea what you are rabbiting on about.

          34. hangem'high says

            That gives us about a year to see what develops?

          35. Thebob says

            Sorry again closed discussion….

            I would attribute the lack of nutrients to industrial farming practices using chemical salts that destroy the soil, CO2 increases plant growth, fruit size, root ball size etc etc, which pushes the plants to uptake more nutrients from the soil, which isn’t really in the soil anymore, because of the types of practices used in industrial farming. If we returned back to our roots so to speak and used natural organic fertilizers to feed the soil not the plants, that is the best practices for growing plants in any type of farming application. Suggested Read http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/26164-four-ways-industrial-ag-is-destroying-the-soil-and-your-health

            “A study looking at vegetables from 1930 to 1980, found that iron levels had decreased by 22 percent, and calcium content by 19 percent. In the United Kingdom, from 1940 to 1990, copper content in vegetables fell by 76 percent, and calcium by 46 percent. The mineral content in meat was also significantly reduced.”

            “Unfortunately, human interactions have negatively impacted almost all aspects of soil health—we are responsible for the degradation of more than 40 percent of worldwide agricultural land. ” Cite- truth-out.org.

            To rebuttal “higher CO2 levels lead to lower nutritional content.”

            “The findings of this study show that this interpretation is simplified and partly incorrect. We are seeing reduced nitrogen content even when growth has not been affected. Moreover, the effect is there in trials with powerful fertiliser, which indicates that it is not down to limited access to nitrogen in the soil. Future studies should look at what is causing the effect, but it appears to be linked to plants’ capacity to absorb nitrogen rather than to changed levels in the soil,” says Johan Uddling-Uni. Gothenburg Senior Lecturer Bio and Enviro Sciences.

            Basically, it doesn’t effect the soil nitrogen content only the chemical crap they spray on the plants that is man made junk….Again going back to Feeding the Soil to grow plants is the way the ecosystem is designed to run….Chemical salts work until they destroy the soil then you must use more and more and more of those same chemical salts….

            Not going to call myself an expert in this but I do know how to grow plants and rather successfully. It doesn’t take a PHD to be a gardener….Or to understand how plants work and what works to grow them and what doesn’t.

            Whats funny is the experiment they used in this study uses a process called FACE, which monitors and injects CO2 in open-air fields, to simulate atmospheric CO2 levels in the future, except they can’t replicate what is going to happen in the future in an open-air environment with out adjusting for all other atmospheric or “green house” gases….This is just another attempt at an educated “guess” as to what MIGHT happen very possible and very likely nothing will happen….Until closed tested can be conducted in closed and controlled atmospheres you cannot replicate possible future conditions leaving out everything else and only looking at CO2, I would say, it is designed that way to purposefully get the results that CO2 is bad….

          36. Betterbob says

            This is all well and good but what does it have to do with climate change?

            An argument made by those who prefer to see a bright side to climate change is that carbon dioxide (CO2) being released by the burning of fossil fuels is actually good for the environment. This conjecture is based on simple and appealing logic: if plants need CO2 for their growth, then more of it should be better. We should expect our crops to become more abundant and our flowers to grow taller and bloom brighter.

            It is possible to boost growth of some plants with extra CO2,
            under controlled conditions inside of greenhouses. Based on this,
            ‘skeptics’ make their claims of beneficial botanical effects in the
            world at large. Such claims fail to take into account that increasing
            the availability of one substance that plants need requires other supply
            changes for benefits to accrue. It also fails to take into account
            that a warmer earth will see an increase in deserts and other arid
            lands, reducing the area available for crops.

            Plants cannot live on CO2
            alone; a complete plant metabolism depends on a number of elements. It
            is a simple task to increase water and fertilizer and protect against
            insects in an enclosed greenhouse but what about doing it in the open
            air, throughout the entire Earth? Just as increasing the amount of
            starch alone in a person’s diet won’t lead to a more robust and healthier person, for plants additional CO2 by itself cannot make up for deficiencies of other compounds and elements.

            What would be the effects of an increase of CO2 on agriculture and plant growth in general?

            1. CO2
            enhanced plants will need extra water both to maintain their larger
            growth as well as to compensate for greater moisture evaporation as the heat
            increases. Where will it come from? In many places rainwater is not
            sufficient for current agriculture and the aquifers they rely on are
            running dry throughout the Earth (1, 2).

            On the other hand, as predicted by climate
            research, we are experiencing more intense storms with increased
            rainfall rates throughout much of the world. One would think that this
            should be good for agriculture. Unfortunately when rain falls in short,
            intense bursts it does not have time to soak into the ground. Instead,
            it quickly floods into creeks, then rivers, and finally out into the
            ocean, often carrying away large amounts of soil and fertilizer.

            2. Unlike Nature, our way of agriculture
            does not self-fertilize by recycling all dead plants, animals and their
            waste. Instead we have to constantly add artificial fertilizers
            produced by energy-intensive processes mostly fed by hydrocarbons,
            particularly from natural gas which will eventually be depleted.
            Increasing the need for such fertilizer competes for supplies of natural
            gas and oil, creating competition between other needs and the
            manufacture of fertilizer. This ultimately drives up the price of food.

            3. Too high a concentration of CO2 causes a reduction of photosynthesis in certain of plants. There is also evidence from the past of major damage to a wide variety of plants species from a sudden rise in CO2 (See illustrations below). Higher concentrations of CO2 also reduce the nutritional quality of some staples, such as wheat.

            4. As is confirmed by long-term experiments, plants with exhorbitant supplies of CO2
            run up against limited availability of other nutrients. These long
            term projects show that while some plants exhibit a brief and promising
            burst of growth upon initial exposure to C02, effects such as the “nitrogen plateau” soon truncate this benefit

            5. Plants raised with enhanced CO2
            supplies and strictly isolated from insects behave differently than if
            the same approach is tried in an otherwise natural setting. For example,
            when the growth of soybeans is boosted out in the open this creates
            changes in plant chemistry that makes these specimens more vulnerable to
            insects.

            Likely the worst problem is that increasing CO2
            will increase temperatures throughout the Earth. This will make deserts
            and other types of dry land grow. While deserts increase in size, other
            eco-zones, whether tropical, forest
            or grassland will try to migrate towards the poles. Unfortunately it
            does not follow that soil conditions will necessarily favor their growth
            even at optimum temperatures.

            In conclusion, it would be reckless to keep adding CO2 to the atmosphere. Assuming there are any positive impacts on agriculture in the short term, they will be overwhelmed by the negative impacts of climate change.

            Added CO2
            will likely shrink the range available to plants while increasing the
            size of deserts. It will also increase the requirements for water and
            soil fertility as well as plant damage from insects.

            Increasing CO2 levels would only be beneficial inside of highly controlled, enclosed spaces like greenhouses.

          37. Thebob says

            They call them green house gases for a reason, it is proven fact by science the world was much much warmer and actually had a massive layer of green house gases which blocked the UV rays of the sun, long long long time ago the Earth was a stable temp of about 85-88 degrees F on the entire surface of the planet, there were no season or very little change in the season, the entire planet was like a giant green house, up until the Earth tilted. Science also leave out many many other factors in our warming, like the fact that the entire solar system is warmer, because of the sun’s activity and that we are gearing up for a pole shift which our Magnetic North is moving 40 miles per year right now. Our changes could also be linked to that “new” planet 9 that is hurling towards our inner system as we speak, a mathematical planet that exists out there coming into our system would also wreak havoc with our magnetic fields. There are so so so many more driving factors than just “man caused this or that”….Sorry, I won’t take them at their word until they can tell me with 99% accuracy of what the weather will be in a week. Also known fact, our gov’t and other corporate entities are experimenting with Geoengineering, spraying all sorts of chemicals into our atmosphere, aluminum powder’s and other chemical compounds….

          38. Betterbob says

            It really does not matter what you believe. The good thing is we know these is climate change happening and that man is a principle player. Over 150 countries have signed a global warming agreement to reduce global emissions. 97% of climate scientists who have made a prediction support global warming. Given that support and the enormous amount of evidence there is for global warming, your little protestation that it is not happening means absolutely nothing at all.

            Geologists refer to ancient ice-cap formations and ice-ages as
            “glaciations.” One such glaciation that occurred during the Late
            Ordovician era, some 444 million years ago has captured the attention of
            climate
            scientists and skeptics alike. To get some perspective on timing,
            that’s just over 200 million years before dinosaurs began to roam the
            Earth.

            Unlike other glaciations in the last 500
            million years, this one was exceptionally brief (lasting perhaps only a
            million years or so) but the main reason for generating so much interest
            recently is because it took place when CO2 levels were apparently sky-high. As Ian Plimer notes in his book, “Heaven and Earth”, pp165:

            “The proof that CO2 does not drive climate
            is shown by previous glaciations…If the popular catastrophist view is
            accepted, then there should have been a runaway greenhouse when CO2 was more than 4000 ppmv. Instead there was glaciation. Clearly a high atmospheric CO2 does not drive global warming and there is no correlation between global temperature and atmospheric CO2.”

            On the surface, Plimer does seem to have a point: if ice-caps managed to exist back then in an ultra-high CO2 environment, why are the vast majority of climate scientists worrying so much about keeping CO2 levels piddlingly low?

            To answer this, we have to fill in some parts of the puzzle that are missing. Let’s start with the CO2.

            Plimer’s stated value of 4000 ppmv or greater is taken from Robert Berner’s GEOCARB, a well-known geochemical model of ancient CO2. As the Ordovician was so long ago, there are huge uncertainties for that time period (according to the model, CO2 was between an incredible 2400 and 9000 ppmv.) Crucially, GEOCARB has a 10 million year timestep, leading Berner to explicitly advise against using his model to estimate Late Ordovician CO2 levels due its inability to account for short-term CO2 fluctuations. He noted that “exact values of CO2… should not be taken literally.”

            What about evidence for any of these short-term CO2
            fluctuations? Recent research has uncovered evidence for lower ocean
            temperatures during the Ordovician than previously thought, creating
            ideal conditions for a huge spurt in marine biodiversity and
            correspondingly large drawdown of CO2 from the atmosphere
            through carbon burial in the ocean. A period of mountain-building was
            also underway (the so-called Taconic orogeny) increasing the amount of
            rock weathering taking place and subsequently lowering CO2 levels even further. The evidence is definitely there for a short-term disruption of the carbon cycle.
            Another important factor is the sun. During the Ordovician, it
            would have been several percent dimmer according to established nuclear
            models of main sequence stars. Surprisingly, this raises the CO2 threshold for glaciation to a staggering 3000 ppmv or so. This also explains (along with the logarithmic forcing effect of CO2) why a runaway greenhouse didn’t occur: with a dimmer sun, high CO2 is necessary to stop the Earth freezing over.

            In summary, we know CO2 was probably very high coming into the Late Ordovician period, however the subsequent dip in CO2
            was brief enough not to register in the GEOCARB model, yet low enough
            (with the help of a dimmer sun) to trigger permanent ice-formation.
            Effectively it was a brief excursion to coldness during an otherwise
            warm era, due to a coincidence of conditions.

          39. Thebob says

            97% of climate scientists who have made a prediction support global warming. Prove it. The study I read, said that out of 10,000 scientists, not Climatologists or Meteorologists, just anyone with a PHD, out of those 10,000 poled they could only find 50 to agree on that claim and of those 50 only 47 or 48 actually said yes, which is where they got that 97% figure from..Nice try again you need to do more research and stop the diarrhea of the mouth with MSM talking points. Don’t care about the 150 countries, the only thing this adds up to is $$$$ and who is going to collect that $$$$ follow the money and you will find the Farce that this truly is…Another fact, even if we did what “all scienctists” say to do, we would only effect the temp by their projections, .01 Degree Celsius over the next 100 years….All the while costing some 3 Trillion Dollars…Yeah, lets smash our economy for .01 degrees of cooling over the next 100 years….LMAO…You need to get your facts straight.

          40. Betterbob says

            I am not arguing with you anymore. You are 100% wrong. I will say again 100% wrong. If I gave you all the proof in the universe you would still deny it so there is not much point in talking to you. you go on with your misguided belief and hope you don’t live long enough to see the results. I am a scientist and I will listen to anyone who has a reasonable argument, but you don’t. You have no expertise, you do not even know what a scientific source is, your logic is all wrong and you refuse to consider any evidence put in front of you. You would make a lousy scientist.

            So a consensus in science is different from a political one. There is no vote. Scientists just give up arguing because the sheer weight of consistent evidence is too compelling, the tide too strong to swim against any longer. Scientists change their minds on the basis of the evidence, and a consensus emerges over time. Not only do scientists stop arguing, they also start relying on each
            other’s work. All science depends on that which precedes it, and when one scientist builds on the work of another, he acknowledges the work of others through citations. The work that forms the foundation of climate change science is cited with great frequency by many other scientists,
            demonstrating that the theory is widely accepted – and relied upon.

            Here is your evidence, are you going to accept it?

            In the scientific field of climate studies – which is informed by many different disciplines – the
            consensus is demonstrated by the number of scientists who have stopped arguing about what is causing climate change – and that’s nearly all of them. A survey of 928 peer-reviewed abstracts on the subject ‘global climate change’ published between 1993 and 2003 shows that not a single paper rejected the consensus position that global warming is man caused (Oreskes 2004).
            A follow-up study by the Skeptical Science team of over 12,000 peer-reviewed abstracts on the subjects of ‘global warming’ and ‘global climate change’ published between 1991 and 2011 found that of the papers taking a position on the cause of global warming, over 97% agreed that humans are causing it (Cook 2013). The scientific authors of the papers were also contacted and asked to rate their own papers, and again over 97% whose papers took a position on the cause said humans are causing global warming.

          41. Thebob says

            I have given you facts that you just ignore and can’t even admit to the FACTS I have presented…You are an ignorant person for being “smart”. Weather is not Climate and Climate is not weather….We cannot predict the weather a week from now, there is NO WAY IN HELL WE CAN PREDICT THE CLIMATE OF OUR PLANET 100 YEARS FROM NOW, NO MATTER HOW MANY COMPUTER MODELS ARE RUN…..We cannot predict the weather nor the climate, unless by chance you became God over night…Good luck with that buddy..I am also a firm believer all the substances we have chemicals, air, water, minerals etc…are all here and we cannot remove or create more than what is already here, some can be changed altered etc…we cannot create something from nothing….We just alter it and change it’s properties but All the CO2 on the earth has always been here, just like all the Gold and Silver and Oil, it has taken one form or another but eventually returns back to the earth….

          42. Betterbob says

            You have not given me facts that are material to the argument. You are 100% wrong.
            As for your comment quote “I am also a firm believer all the substances we have chemicals, air,
            water, minerals etc…are all here and we cannot remove or create more
            than what is already here, some can be changed altered etc…we cannot
            create something from nothing….We just alter it and change it’s
            properties but All the CO2 on the earth has always been here, just like
            all the Gold and Silver and Oil, it has taken one form or another but
            eventually returns back to the earth.

            No, it was not always here for the earth has not always existed. In fact 5 billion years ago we were still 1/2 billion years from forming. Also, in the context of you quoted remark above, please explain E = MC 2. If you can explain it you have just repudiated Einsteins theory of relativity and that makes you the greatest scientist that ever lived. Don’t mess with professionals sonny, you will never win.

          43. Thebob says

            It took 1/2 billion years to form the earth yet you think in just over 200 years of industrial revolution we will destroy our climate on the planet in a couple of generations….That is the biggest laughable argument I have ever heard….Sorry you still cannot account for the fact, even by evolution standards, that our earth when humans began to develop, the earth was 15 degrees warmer than it is now….Plants were more robust bigger, covered most of the surface of the planet…..We have even survived not just 1 but several ice ages while man was here…..Just laughable how idiotic you and crazy you sound…..

          44. Betterbob says

            Quote ” ….Sorry you still cannot account for the fact, even by evolution
            standards, that our earth when humans began to develop, the earth was 15
            degrees warmer than it is now….Plants were more robust bigger,
            covered most of the surface of the planet…..We have even survived not
            just 1 but several ice ages while man was here…..Just laughable how
            idiotic you and crazy you sound…..

            Actually that is not the facts if you bother to stop thinking with your heart and look at the facts objectively. But you don’t.

            The Pleistocene Epoch is typically defined as the time period that
            began about 1.8 million years ago and lasted until about 11,700 years
            ago. The most recent Ice Age occurred then, as glaciers covered huge
            parts of the planet Earth.

            There have been at least five documented major ice ages
            during the 4.6 billion years since the Earth was formed — and most
            likely many more before humans came on the scene about 2.3 million years
            ago.

            The Pleistocene Epoch is the first in which Homo sapiens evolved,
            and by the end of the epoch humans could be found in nearly every part
            of the planet. The Pleistocene Epoch was the first epoch in the
            Quaternary Period and the sixth in the Cenozoic Era. It was followed by
            the current stage, called the Holocene Epoch.

          45. Thebob says

            And we still evolved and survived….How am I wrong in that statement….We were here before the last ice age, guess what WE ARE STILL HERE….Climate change is real, the impact is and will be negligible if at all. Most likely will be a better planet to live on….Until the next Ice age….Cause we don’t even know the cause of that…Hell man even made it all the from the wipe out of the dinosaurs…we still evolved and are still here.

          46. Betterbob says

            Ok, that is enough fantasy. Quote “Hell man even made it all the from the wipe out of the dinosaurs” The dinosaurs went extinct 60 million years ago. Man at a real stretch has been here 2 million years. So when exactly were man and the dinosaurs together on this planet?

          47. Thebob says

            Our evolved state, according to you and science and the guess at evolution our ancestors made it…You are narrow minded, taking everything in context no-wonder you are a sheeple.

          48. Betterbob says

            What you just wrote doe not even make grammatical sense. Do you believe that dinosaurs and humans were on the planet at the same time?
            What guess at evolution are you talking of.

          49. Thebob says

            Nether does have the crap you write. Can barely translate your poor attempt at writing English….To answer your question yes and there is foot print evidence to back that up. But anyway what I was implying was by your evolution standards. The creatures we supposedly evolved from survived everything our planet through at them to become what we are today….We cooked fires farmed razed cattle for thousands of years before the 19th century when supposedly we puny humans have almost destroyed our planet in 200 years, which is laughable and idiotic. Did you know they removed Gullible from the dictionary? So the solution is fossil fuels is to build more toxic nuclear plants, also laughable.

          50. Betterbob says

            First, humans and dinosaurs were never on this planet at the same time. dinosaurs die out 60 million years ago. No foot print evidence to confirm it. It never happened.
            You say my evolution standards. What standards are you talking of. I don’t remember giving you any evolution standards. I don’t even know what evolution standards are.
            The rest of your stuff is just as much garbage as before. Go get an education.

          51. Thebob says

            Hey buddy, you are the evoloutionist not me, I NEVER SAID HUMANS YOU DOLT…I SPECIFICALLY TALKED AND MENTIONED THE CREATURES WE SUPPOSEDLY EVOLVED FROM they were around when the dinosaurs were here or were they not and humans just kinda showed up like someone pooped them out on this planet which actually makes more sense than any theory of evolution trash…You are fcking moron….Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. I MADE MY POINT PERFECTLY CLEAR not my fault you can’t think with any kind of common sense….Some PHD you are…Still haven’t even proven that supposed fact….Come on buddy tell me the paper you authored to get your PH.d for dummy. And yes there are foot prints. Giants also existed, that is another FACT. look up the Cohokia Mounds and any other story or article from papers from the 1800s talking about giant bones being found…Most of the ancient history of North America has been suppressed because it does not fit the evolutionist theory of the land bridge….Or any of the stories and knowledge that was passed down from the Hopi Indiana’s. Simple minded moron you are….Have a nice life talking down to everyone who disagrees with you. Thanks for being a Sheeple ignorant piece of human garbage.

          52. Betterbob says

            So what did these predecessors of humans look like in the days of the dinosaurs?

          53. Thebob says

            How the hell am I suppose to know freaking apes according to you…. I don’t believe that mumbo jumbo sham science. Lloyd Pye has a better scientific explanation that actually makes sense. You are the evolutionist not me.

          54. Betterbob says

            Lloyd Pyle!! You mean this guy.
            Lloyd Anthony Pye Jr. (September 7, 1946 – December 9, 2013) was an American author and paranormal researcher best known for his promotion of the Starchild skull. He claimed it was the relic of a human-alien hybrid, although DNA testing showed it to be from a human male. He also promoted the ideas that cryptozoological creatures such as Bigfoot are real and that aliens intervened in human development.
            He is a bigger kook than you and that is saying something.
            As to my question you seemed such an expert yet you have no answer? How strange.
            Well this is what they looked like. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/90782f451e8a1e6584c4c9bb7af39389a9fc7db43282d060c88c7df3f768946d.jpg

          55. Thebob says

            What I believe, we have always been here as we are created, we didn’t evolve from this planet. Creatures do evolve but not to the extent of creating a new species, different mutations and such. We have a huge chunk of missing history that was wiped out, our ancestors were way more advanced way smarter than we are even today. The point of were humans came into play keeps getting pushed back further and further, as of now I believe the oldest known civilization is some 150,000-200,000 years ago if you go by what carbon dating says, but I have no clue on an exact time frame. We as humans are of this planet, but not from this planet. The evidence for a grand design is there. Hell even the universe looks like a giant brain, as the galaxies look like brain cells, it is kinda cool. I believe life exists else were in the universe but we will never get to it as they are way to far away, unless we can find or create a worm hole to bend space/time for travel. And we are not animals in any sense of the word, our basic survival instincts come from whatever creatures were used to genetically create us. Every ancient culture talks about something greater than themselves, their stories passed down are based on facts but have been changed through translations etc…I believe that giants, demons, dragons, etc etc all come from factual information and either still exist i.e. demons, or once existed giants and dragons etc…etc… Think I am a loon so be it, I would rather believe in a world of fantasy, than to believe we don’t exist for any reason but chance…Sorry I am not simple minded or single minded like yourself. Things are changing and things are going to happen that will make everyone on this planet question their life and their faith in the coming years probably sooner than later. What evolution preaches is way more far fetched belief than what creation talks about or what even Llyod Pye’s theory is. I believe the Earth was once a giant green house were the weather was pretty stable and the entire planet was pretty much the same temp North to South, the green house effect it didn’t blocked out harmful UV radiation from the sun, which allowed all the creatures on the planet to live much much longer we as humans would have lived for about 1000 years, hence why the dinosaurs got so big, they never stopped growing, but just like today are limited because of what the sun does to our planet. Science has yet to explain the tilt and what caused the tilt, which is were that all changed. God allowed that to happen as man who lived to be 1000 years became to wicked and self destructive. Also the entire planet was pretty much green where there wasn’t water, no deserts, some plains but mostly what the forests look like around the world. Prove me wrong, but you can’t as everything I have stated is what I believe, you choose to believe something else, that is also just a guess at what really happened as no scientist was around to see it for 100% certainty, which is the basis of all science observations. As I have said in the past once science can create life from none living organic matter or observe life being created from nothing, I would then re-think what I believe, until then the crap guess at what happened is just that a crap guess to a question that no body can answer. I would rather die believing in God and something greater than myself and be wrong than to not believe and be right, cause that just means life or living is worthless and if that is the case there is no need to be polite or PC or nice or anything at all as there are no consequences for ones actions, you say death, but who cares you are going to die anyway….

          56. Thebob says

            If you are not looking at this as a skeptic then you are not a scientist by any means….You are what we call a Sheeple, that just takes someone else’s word as fact….

          57. Betterbob says

            No I am not. I have looked at the evidence on BOTH SIDES for many years. The evidence against is underwhelming, the evidence for is overwhelming. The fact that I do not agree with you is no reason for name calling. I made up my mind by a critical look at the evidence on both sides.The fact that you revert to name calling and you have NOT studied both sides of the argument is a sign that you do not know the subject and you certainly are not a scientist or anyone who is interested in the scientific methods.,

          58. Thebob says

            You just disagree with the cause, that is all…Climate does change that is fact, but we cannot base our results off of guested data from 100,000 or 1000 years ago…We do warm we do cool, these are all natural….Again, man cannot produce enought CO2 by current means to make any determining factor in-regards to what natural causes can and do produce 100’s and 1000’s of times greater factors than what Man can do….1 Massive volcanoe eruption could and will happen again, could send us into a “nuclear winter”…The question is how much warming do you get for a certain force? Trouble is we can measure temp changes, we cannot measure those forces…We have no clue what cause the Medieval Warming then the Mini Ice-age that followed, we just know it happened…..The climate models do not show what the natural causes of cooling or that strength, nor do they account for our earth giving off UV heat and releasing it into space, which is also a fact, we just can’t or don’t know how to measure it, but it does happen.

          59. Betterbob says

            Wrong again, 100% wrong.

          60. Thebob says

            So man is the primary driving factor to our weather and climate? That is what you truly believe?

          61. Betterbob says

            It is what I believe based on the scientific literature, both for and against the hypothesis, and it is what 97% of climate scientists who have given an opinion believe and it is what at least 150 world governments believe. Why don’t you send then a letter and tell them why they are wrong?

          62. Thebob says

            The Gov’t itself is Bias which also makes the IPCC Bias, because they have only funded any research only on man-made causes….No natural causes have ever been subjected to research by the US Gov’t or the IPCC…

          63. Betterbob says

            And you know this exactly how?

            This is what I’m talking about. You don’t quote facts you utter conjecture.
            you have to learn to be objective but you are not . you are shooting from the heart not your head,

          64. Betterbob says

            Find a reputable source. How about a scientific paper. This is what one looks like.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3680427/

            Steven J. Milloy is a lawyer. He was a commentator for Fox News
            and ran the Web site junkscience.com, which is dedicated to “debunking”
            what Milloy labels “faulty scientific data and analysis.” On Fox News
            Channel he was billed as a “Junk Science commentator.” He describes himself as a libertarian.[1]

            Among the topics Milloy has addressed are what he believes to be false claims regarding DDT, global warming, Alar, breast implants, secondhand smoke, ozone depletion, and mad cow disease.[2] Milloy also runs CSRWatch.com, which monitors and criticizes the corporate social responsibility movement. From the 1990s until the end of 2005, he was an adjunct scholar at the libertarian Cato Institute, which hosted the JunkScience.com site. He is currently an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Milloy is head of the Free Enterprise Action Fund, a mutual fund he runs with former tobacco executive Tom Borelli. He also operates the Advancement of Sound Science Center, a non-profit organization which is critical of environmental science, from his home in Potomac, Maryland. Milloy has authored four books.

            Milloy’s close financial and organizational ties to tobacco and oil
            companies have been the subject of criticism from a number of sources,
            as Milloy has consistently criticized the science linking secondhand
            smoke to health risks and human activity to global warming.[3][4]

            Milloy argues that human activity has little impact on climate change and that regulations to limit greenhouse gas
            emissions are unwarranted and harmful to business interests. He has
            recently offered a prize of $500,000 to anyone who can “prove, in a
            scientific manner, that humans are causing harmful global warming,”
            stating that “JunkScience.com, in its sole discretion, will determine
            the winner, if any.”[23]

            In 2004, when the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment was released by the Arctic Council and the International Arctic Science Committee, Milloy wrote that the report “pretty much debunks itself.”[24]
            Milloy based his assertions that the variation was natural on his
            interpretation of just one graph from the overview of the large study.
            One of the lead authors of the study, oceanographer James J. McCarthy,
            commented that those taking Milloy’s position would “have to refute
            what are hundreds of scientific papers that reconstruct various pieces
            of this climate puzzle.” Milloy’s assertion was repeated by lobbyists
            including the Competitive Enterprise Institute[3]

            In 2005, it was reported that non-profit organizations operating out of Milloy’s home, and in some cases employing no staff, have received large payments from ExxonMobil during his tenure with Fox News.[3][4][25]
            A Fox News spokesperson stated that Milloy is “… affiliated with
            several not-for-profit groups that possibly may receive funding from
            Exxon, but he certainly does not receive funding directly from Exxon.”[3]

            Milloy is the Executive Director of DemandDebate.com,[26] an organization that seeks to eliminate what it calls “bias” in environmental education.[27] A Competitive Enterprise Institute press release says he “coordinated” the group’s activities at the recent Live Earth concert in New York, at which a plane circled the event pulling a banner reading, “DON’T BELIEVE AL GORE — DEMAND DEBATE.COM.”[28]

          65. Betterbob says

            When are you going to use scientific papers to make your case? Briebart news is one of the most right wing publications out there and the very often deliberately misinterprets information. I have been thrown off their site 3 times for challenging them. Where is your SCIENTIFIC PROOF.

          66. Betterbob says

            This is not a scientific paper. It is a political position paper. Go find out what a real scientific paper looks like.

          67. Thebob says

            How or why would there be a scientific paper talking about the bias of gov’t only funding research that supports their narrative? You are a moron…probably not even published nor a PHD….What did you do your dissertation on? Who published you? What scientific magazine or article did you author?

          68. Betterbob says

            Hey you don’t want to believe me, not my problem. That’s your problem. What else is your problem is you continually come up with excuses to change the conversation. Give me some scientific evidence of your position.

          69. Thebob says

            I have given you evidence you choose not to look at it cause you are biased already, choosing to live with blinders on. YOU ARE A SHEEPLE. Have a nice life libtard.

          70. Thebob says

            Even the founder of Green Peace doesn’t believe in this crap…And now has been black listed by his own organization….http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2015/03/founder-of-greenpeace-why-i-am-climate.html

          71. Betterbob says

            So one person is skeptical. What about the thousands that are not skeptical. One case does not make a consensus.

          72. Thebob says

            Neither the the faux climate models that are not even showing anywhere near their projections from 20 years ago or 30 years ago…Hell your hero Al Gore the inventor of the internet’s models and predictions haven’t even come close to what he said….nice try…This is only about money that is it plain and simple….

          73. Betterbob says

            Go look at the real science.

          74. Thebob says

            Another FACT; Why hasn’t it warmed not even close to what their own IPCC models have shown in reality it isn’t even close to their projections….?

          75. Betterbob says

            The Wall street journal is not a scientific source, it is a newspaper and the site does not give access to the story unless I subscribe. Find a realistic source.

          76. hangem'high says

            Hum, hum, hummm, hum, hum ,hum….

            https://youtu.be/WB109lhkAyk

          77. Betterbob says

            You don’t like reading do you? Only know how to watch movies do you? I told you I don’t watch videos that are posted. If you want to convey something then write it down. I will not watch your video. Do what I do, get your information from the scientific literature if you know what that is. However, I doubt you do.

          78. hangem'high says

            And here I thought you were a professor, that’s O.k your loss!

          79. Betterbob says

            I read the science not watch silly little videos.

          80. hangem'high says

            Somehow I don’t believe U, kind of like your fudged global warming stats!

          81. Betterbob says

            I don’t really care whether you believe me or not. If you don’t believe me, your problem not mine.

          82. hangem'high says

            Don’t let me stop U from watching your video

            https://youtu.be/IcefSGZlyBA

          83. Betterbob says

            Your wasting your time I will never watch them because they do not mean anything. They are like you, irrelevant.

          84. hangem'high says

            Much like global climate change??

          85. Betterbob says

            something else you are wrong about. Batting 1000 aren’t you.

          86. hangem'high says

            For a change you’ve posted some Impressive stats!

          87. Betterbob says

            Which ones are they?

          88. hangem'high says

            The one of me batting a thousand, of course;

          89. Thebob says

            The Sahara wasn’t always a dessert, changes will happens always have always will, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HUMANS CAN DO ABOUT IT, we cannot control the volcanic activity of our planet, nor quakes, nor tsunami’s, nor tornado’s nor hurricanes, flash floods, blizzards, ice storms….NOTHING, we can only sit back try to enjoy the ride and survive. End of story. Even nuking the entire planet wouldn’t wipe us out. We will be here until the sun decides to stop working or some massive planet killer comes along. Climate Changes 4 times a year in most places…It is called seasons…I suggest you do some more research on your own and stop taking what MSM brain washes you with and your Uni’s brainwashing has done….For someone who says they have a PHD you are not very smart and very single minded.

          90. Betterbob says

            Humans are just another species of animal. 99.9% of all species that have existed are now extinct. No reason to suppose we wont go extinct.

            As for not being very smart. I’m smart enough not to listen to you. A person who has no credentials in the climate business and no scientific credentials. Just another non expert expert.

          91. Betterbob says

            How global warming affects weather parameters
            Rising temperatures can have several effects on the factors involved in weather. For example:

            They increase the rate of evapotranspiration, which is the total evaporation of water from soil, plants and water bodies. This can have a direct effect on the fequency and intensity of droughts.

            A warmer atmosphere can hold more water vapour. The atmosphere now holds 4% more water vapour than it did 40 years ago as a result of increasing temperatures. This increases the risk of extreme rainfall events.

            Changes in sea-surface temperatures (SSTs) also have an effect by bringing about associated changes in atmospheric circulation and precipitation. This has been implicated in some droughts, particularly in the tropics.

            These changes don’t automatically generate extreme weather events but they change the odds that such events will take place. It is equivalent to the loading of dice, leading
            to one side being heavier, so that a certain outcome becomes more
            likely. In the context of global warming, this means that rising
            temperatures increase the odds of extreme events occurring.

            Changes in extreme weather events are already being observed

            In the US, the Global Changes Research Program published a report in 2009 entitled Global Climate Change Impacts in the US. The National Climate Change chapter reports the following findings for recent decades:

            Heavy rainfall events have increased
            both in frequency and in intensity by 20%, and are the main cause behind
            the increase in overall precipitation in the US. The Northeast and
            Midwest have seen the greatest increase in such events.

            The frequency of drought has increased in areas such as the Southeast and the West, and decreased in other areas. Rising temperatures make droughts more severe and/or widespread, and also lead to the earlier melting of snowpacks, which can exacerbate problems in vulnerable areas.

            Atlantic hurricanes have increased
            both in power and frequency, coinciding with warming oceans that provide
            energy to these storms. In the Eastern Pacific, there have been fewer
            but stronger hurricanes recently. More research is needed to better
            understand the extent to which other factors, such as atmospheric
            stability and circulation, affect hurricane development.

            Similarly, Australia has seen the odds of both heavy rainfalls and droughts increase, and similar patterns are being observed worldwide, coinciding with rising temperatures over the past 50 years. Heat waves are also occurring more frequently as temperatures shift upwards:

            Source: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center GISS and Scientific Visualization Studio

            In conclusion, although it isn’t
            possible to state that global warming is causing a particular extreme
            event, it is wrong to say that global warming has no effect on the
            weather. Rising air and sea temperatures have a number of effects on the
            water cycle, and this increases the odds for more extreme weather events.

          92. Thebob says

            Increase in storms correlates directly to the increase in Sun activity….Has nothing to with humans. Just like our oceans currents are controlled by the Moon and gravity. The jet stream is controlled by the Sun’s activity. So can you please explain why 40 years ago Science was screaming we were going into another Ice-Age? Yet it didn’t happen. The real numbers suggest we are nearing the end of the warming period we are currently in and by 2030 we will hit another cooling period and by 2040 will be in a similar mini Ice-age like during the medieval times. Science also cannot explain the massive cold record smashing winters of the 1940’s that Europe had during WWII. Climate cannot be measured on a Global scale either, each environment has their own factors that drive it. Fact is, we are seeing some warming in NA, but not really if you look back 100 years, but any way other parts of the world are seeing cooling trends…So it’s warming here yet cooling other places…

          93. Betterbob says

            I just gave you that explanation.

          94. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            You are ignorant!

          95. Betterbob says

            Yet again, all you have is stupid remarks, no rebuttal. I win.

          96. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            You won’t knock down anything you low life liberal racist fool!

          97. Betterbob says

            Again, all you have is stupid remarks, no rebuttal. I win.

          98. Jeffrey Grimes says

            Why would Paris need the government to kill the populace, when the government has bloodthirsty, third world Islamic scum to do it for them?

          99. Betterbob says

            Why would you be so uneducated as to make a stupid remark like that.

          100. Jeffrey Grimes says

            Hmmm… uneducated… apparently you didn’t read up on the Paris attacks, or you’re blissfully ignorant.

          101. Betterbob says

            Quote” Why would Paris need the government to kill the populace, when the government has bloodthirsty, third world Islamic scum to do it for them?”
            Who said anything about Paris needing the government to kill the populous. As I said Why would you be so uneducated as to make a stupid remark like that.

          102. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            You are a moron! Get an education please…

          103. Betterbob says

            And again, all you have is stupid remarks, no rebuttal. I win.

        3. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

          Ban and deport all liberal racist Democrackheads !

          SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT & PROTECT YOURSELF FROM LAWLESSNESS THAT OBAMA CREATED!!

          1. Betterbob says

            What a load of garbage you spout. Incidentally, you can turn caps off. Using all caps is what children and people with low IQ’s do. Oh! wait. Now I understand why you use all caps.

          2. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Its so you can COMPREHEND something in that low energy Liberal head! You are ignorant and pathetic!

          3. Betterbob says

            That the best you got Hahahahahaha!!!! Pathetic. My 2 year old grandson could do better. However, he has more commonsense than you.

      5. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

        amen!

    2. John Brown says

      News Flash: You need to take a close look at the Tea Party.
      Compare the Tea Party in words and actions with the German Workers Party http://spartacus-educational.com/GERgwp.htm

      1. Bladen says

        To what actions or words of which tea party are you referring?

      2. albaby2 says

        My feelings derived from attending dozens of TP meetings is that they are disgruntled narcisssts who offer no solutions, just criticism. They prey on the elderly by claiming to be religious patriots although most have never served anyone other than themselves and want to hold political office only to enhance their resume. Looking at the white haired heads at a TP meeting is like looking at a field of dandelions gone to seed. Just say you love Jayzeus and you’re in.

        1. John Brown says

          I don’t know what BS they are feeding you at these meetings, but I have seen their newsletters and seen what actions that they have been taking in the Tea Party controlled states. Have you been fitted yet for your “Brown Shirt” and hobnail boots?

          I have lived a long time and seen much and can tell you this for a fact, The Tea Party is a cancer that is eating at the very core of this country. They pray on the poor and disadvantaged predominately white much the same way the KKK did after the Civil War, Post WWI Italy and Germany.

          1. albaby2 says

            Why are you replying to my post? It’s obvious you didn’t read it.

          2. albaby2 says

            Why did you reply to my post? It’s obvious you didn’t read it.

          3. hangem'high says

            I think you’re confused

            https://youtu.be/MjCG_OghWeQ

          4. John Brown says

            Did you notes that the Klansman had to hesitate before answering? That is called prompting. Remember that it takes all kind to win an election although there that believes that dollars mean more than voters. Don’t you know that the KKK has always been Republican base and to find one that would support a Democrat is extremely rare and probably would Not come out in public. I live near Vidor, Texas. Vidor is well known as a KKK base.

          5. hangem'high says

            If my memory serves me right the KKK ran the Democrat party!
            But you’re right we all have rights for now?

          6. John Brown says

            Your memory is half right. There was a what was called the Democratic party, but was moor what you call a Republican today. I don’t remember all the details but they had a story about it on the History channel some rime back. Remember that the old plantation owners were people like Trumpet today. They were desperate to get cheap labor back on the farms and they enlisted the aid of poor white farmers who were in the same shape as the slaves were. Like the Tea Party today, they enlisted the support of the poor and discontented whites, the same as the NATZI party did with the post WWI Germany. They convinced these ignorant poor discontents that it was not their lack of ambition or education it was those other who were not like them. That was the German Workers Party. Interesting that their leader was Not a German, Hitler was from Belgium. And It’s 1930 Germany all over again and Ted Cruz is the rising star.

            Compare the Tea Party in words and actions with the German Workers Party http://spartacus-educational.com/GERgwp.htm Even Former Speaker Boehner calls Ted Cruz ‘Lucifer in the flesh’

        2. hangem'high says

          I think you confusing your Wicca meetings with (TP) Top Pagan Wizard

      3. hangem'high says

        Being Political correct is being afraid

        https://youtu.be/ckypeZctcGk

        Don’t be a fool!

        1. John Brown says

          I am Never what is called Political Correct. That is always pandering to others.

          If you want to see a fool, just look in a clean mirror.

          This is the Tea Party’s version of being political correct: It is 1930 Germany all over again and Ted Cruz is the rising star.

          Compare the Tea Party in words and actions with the German Workers Party http://spartacus-educational.com/GERgwp.htm

          1. hangem'high says

            Well after all that, why does that relate to the TP and not BLM under Soros ,after all Soros was a Nazi collaborator.

          2. John Brown says

            Simple, calling Obama a NAZI is what someone who lost all his arguments and start grasping for straws. They just keep throwing shit hoping that some of it sticks, You swallowed the bait and all the shit that goes with it. Sorry buddy, Don’t let others put words in your mouthwatering you checking the facts first.
            Schools out. I am tired of being your History teacher. Turn off those junk so-called news programs and start reading your history. I would Not advise the new history out of the Texas Textbooks. They are only good for Outhouse paper.Loaded with errors and inaccuracies.

          3. hangem'high says

            Whose history U teaching anyways? Your liberal buddies are making national movements pop up all over the world, let’s hope the elite don’t escape its Justice, as they did the last great war.

            https://youtu.be/RO0S6j2Zsqo

          4. hangem'high says

            I don’t remember calling him a Nazi, But Hey if the shoe fits?

            https://youtu.be/RoD9Wvbzrwk

            By the life of me, I don’t understand why the Jews haven’t rounded up Soros for trial on war crimes?

    3. elmcqueen3 says

      Not forgetting…40% of Democrats wish to abolish our US Constitution…claiming it is old hat and not conductive to a modern society…communism (global governance) would be a better fit in the minds of these 40 percenter’s who care not for our American Bill Of Rights…the first 10 amendments of our US Constitution with which our forefathers gave us “freedom” of speech – First Amendment, and “the right to bear arms” – Second Amendment…Throughout the years the Democrats have taken it upon themselves to decimate our civil liberties as outlined in these first 10 amendments…The Democrats will not stop with their destructiveness unless we the American people decide “enough is enough”.

      1. JO 753 says

        Where did you find that figure? This iz the 1st I’v herd that anybody wants to abolish the constitution.

        1. albaby2 says

          Where have you been? Democrats have been doingnend runs around the Constitution via judicial edicts and want a Living Constitution, one that will be determined by the whim of the moment of the party in power. They would like to see a one party system ( theirs) with the goverment having absolute control of people and property.

          1. JO 753 says

            Thats not an ansr, you are just piling on more claimz.

            The spesific claim iz ‘40% uv Democrats want to abolish The Constitution’.

          2. albaby2 says

            Jez cuz u sez so done meen nuffin.. uz iz 2 dum to relize was hapnin.

          3. elmcqueen3 says

            U be da Man gots dat rite.

          4. Glenn Newton says

            NWO!

        2. elmcqueen3 says

          It was referred to in an article on this web site…or another…don’t remember for sure which site it was…but if you’ve been paying attention for the last 10-20 years you can see that it is the Democrats who have been gnawing away at our Constitution and our Bill of Rights…Not so much the Republicans however the path this party has chosen as of recently leads one to believe the Republicans are in collusion with the Democrats as if it is a competitive thingy as to how much either can screw over the American citizenry.

        3. R. T. says

          You can’t tell that , free speech ” that offends me ” , having a gun ” guns kill people ” no people kill people – fists – knifes – hammers – pipes – etc. .

          1. Betterbob says

            Guns allow people to kill more people quicker, in more volume and from a further distance away. Ban all hand guns.
            33,000 people a year are dead because of guns.
            84,000 people got to hospital every year because of gunshot wounds.

          2. R. T. says

            Ban auto’s that’s 130,000 + a year , your 33,000 includes police shootings , suicides , and accidents with people that don’t know how to handle a gun .

          3. Betterbob says

            Red Herring. I’m talking about guns.

          4. R. T. says

            Well you can start taking them from criminals .

          5. Betterbob says

            We are a country that sent men to the moon in 9 years. We invented the internet. We sent a rover to mars and it lasted for years. we are talking of sending men to Mars. We built the best highway system in the world. We have the best armed forces in the world. Are you telling me we are incapable of going and getting the guns from a few criminals if we had the will.

            Your attitude is a cop out.

          6. R. T. says

            No cop out , In Chicago now there are more killings now (gangs ( criminals ) ) than during prohibition with real Gangsters . I can see were the problem is criminals and the courts , and crazy’s with the occasional extremest . If you look at statistics all the Country’s that have taken away guns have higher murder rates than we do . BY GUNS

          7. Betterbob says

            Cop out. If we had the will to do it we could.
            But that is by the way. As to your claim quote “If you look at statistics all the Country’s that have taken away guns have higher murder rates than we do . BY GUNS”. Be careful what you tell me. I check everything.
            In a list of 72 countries the USA rates 18th highest in homicide rates by firearm at 3.43 per 100,000.
            Now I have not checked all 72 to see who has gun restriction, but here are some that are have lower rates and gun control.
            Israel 1.04 per 100,000
            Taiwan 0.6 per 10,000
            Canada 0.38 per 100,000
            Italy 0.35 per 100,000
            Finland 0.32 per 100,000
            France 0.21 per 100,000
            UK 0.06 per 100,000

            So I think you are full of BS.

          8. R. T. says

            Realy how do you explain this ?

          9. Betterbob says

            Simple. You cannot discount them. Not exactly a reliable source you have for statistical information.
            Firearm—In 2013, 33,636 persons died from firearm injuries in the United States accounting for 17.4% of all injury deaths in that year. Number of firearm injuries requiring hospital attention in 2014 81,034 25.41 per 100,000 population

          10. R. T. says

            These city’s have the strictest gun control ( no guns ) , Guns aren’t the problem laws that aren’t enforced are !

          11. Betterbob says

            Well then the answer is to enforce them isn’t it. Pretty simple.
            What are you going to do to help?

          12. GodBlessRealAmerica!! says

            Bob go suicide bomb your liberal A$$!

          13. Betterbob says

            Ahh no answer so you revert to insults huh. Typical.
            33,000 deaths per year due to gunfire. 84,000 hospital related injuries per year due to gunfire. Deaths by gunfire in the last 2 days 29.

            Not going anywhere. Live with it and remember only 265 days until the inauguration of President Hillary Clinton. Then we can look forward to 8 more years of a well governed country, just like the last seven, and lots of gun control. Have a nice day 🙂 🙂 🙂

          14. Betterbob says

            It does not matter who pulls the trigger dead from gunfire is dead from gunfire.

            The reality is 33,000 people a year are dead because of guns. 84,000 people got to hospital every year because of gunshot wounds. They are people with big holes in their bodies where high speed
            projectiles made of metal have smashed into their flesh. These are people who had families and every one of these families is suffering. This is more than the population of South Bend Indiana. Imagine if every person living in South end were lying in the street either wounded or dead with blood everywhere. That is the reality.

            Since yesterday morning the number people who have been killed by gunfire this year has risen from 4181 to 4222. 41 more people who will never have any pleasure again, 41more families grieving.

        4. joe says

          thats because you are stupid and uninformed you freak it is common knowledge wow you do not even know what your commie party stands for why am I not surprised.

          1. JO 753 says

            “Common knowledge”? Well then you shoud hav no problem finding the orijinal referens. Show me sum facts, otherwize its just you blathering.

          2. Tom says

            Haahaaahaaa, you look like Ofuckingbama! What an asshole.

          3. Betterbob says

            No, you are the one that looks like an idiot because of your failure to answer the question. Typical righty, if you don’t have an answer (which is 99% of the time) then throw out a perceived insult (your not very good at insults either, they are always the same old garbage).

      2. Tom says

        Then, if we wish to keep our country, we must get rid of these idiotic jerks. Let them spout their nonsense in Iraq or Syria where they will be “taken seriously”, or, be “seriously taken”.

      3. Betterbob says

        Quote “Not forgetting…40% of Democrats wish to abolish our US Constitution.”
        What a load of garbage.

        1. Ted Crawford says

          Of course it’s garbage, Comrade, but you sick twisted Progressives still feel that way! It’s only due to the Constitution that you are free to babble your mindless idiocy!

          1. Betterbob says

            First, I’m not yours or anyone else comrade. That is the first lie you perpetuate (or maybe it is just pig ignorance at the political system).

            Next, you have no idea how I feel but like everything else you think you know everything about everyone.

            Finally, I am as much a supporter of the constitution as anyone but unlike you I do not blame everyone else for my problems. All you do is complain. What have you ever done to improve the system. Answer, a big fat zero.

          2. Mark Lahti says

            And the results of all of your efforts is what…….say again…….nothing. I thought so.

          3. Betterbob says

            What efforts are you talking of?
            I don’t remember talking of any “efforts” in my post but if I did then remind me and I will give you an update on the results (which are always positive and helpful to society).

            Of course, if you cannot show me then I will just put it down to your continued journey in never never land where you can pretend as much as you want that whatever you make up matters. Pretty much like the rest of your party. Actually it doesn’t matter one iota.

          4. Ted Crawford says

            You mean of course, aside from being a disabled veteran, and having been, ACTIVELY involved in Politics, and voting in every election I was qualified to vote in since 1968? Admittedly primarily at the Local and State levels, I’ve only had a active part in 4 National Campaigns. Aside from that nothing!

          5. Betterbob says

            Well guess what I have voted in every election, local state and federal since 1967.
            I have spent my life in service work and work as a volunteer for red cross, habitat for humanity and coaching underprivileged kids to get into college. I am also a vet.
            I am still involved every week.
            This is the person you called quote ” a sick twisted Progressive” without knowing anything about me. Taking that sort of attitude is not helping your country. It is adding to the polarization of this country. So sorry, not impressed with you efforts. You could do more. I do.

          6. Ted Crawford says

            Oh yes, I could tell! Clearly in addition to your benevolent omniscience, you are self-sacrificing, philanthropic, working, tirelessly in spite of sheer, utter exhaustion, to improve the lives and existence of the down trodden! So very near to perfect in fact, that you make Mother Theresa appear a slacker by comparison! So much so in fact that Francis is near to naming you a Saint, without regard to whether or not you are a Catholic! In the next publications of the Bible there will be a book that bears your name!!
            You might want to consult a Physician, you’re sure to develop Corporal Tunnel in your shoulder and elbow, possibly even your wrist and fingers as well!

          7. Betterbob says

            Sarcasm will get you nowhere and it does not become you. I’m sorry if you don’t like me being a civic activist but that is what I am. I believe in spending time helping people and help improving the country instead of just complaining about everyone else and how everything that is wrong is the fault of some political wing. That is not true. The problems are our collective problems and we are all responsible for them and we should all work together to try and solve them.

        2. elmcqueen3 says

          That figure was taken from a recent poll…but then again “what do I know” or what do any of us know?

          1. Betterbob says

            A little research gets the answer.

            Who conducted the poll
            Answer: Pew Research center

            What was the question asked
            Answer: We asked whether people believe that citizens should be able to make
            public statements that are offensive to minority groups, or whether the
            government should be able to prevent people from saying these things.

            Who interpreted the data
            Answer: Pew research center

            How did he interpret it?
            Answer: Four-in-ten Millennials say the government should be able to prevent
            people publicly making statements that are offensive to minority groups,
            while 58% said such speech is OK.

          2. elmcqueen3 says

            Thanks…but this is not the same poll that I read.

      4. Gea says

        First and Second Amendments of the US Constitution are indefensible to maintain American Republic. Anybody who wants to abolish it has no place in America. They can be sent for a permanent Hajj to Saudi Arabia ;-)!

    4. Tired... says

      I mean no disrespect, but Communism is the leaning of Obama and those who support him; the Nazis were a far right organization. However, they do tend to use similar approaches to manipulating the population, so it is easy to confuse the two.

      1. Ted Crawford says

        Seriously…Far Right???? Where in ANY Conservative Ideology do you find the TOTAL Control of, well virtually every aspect of Society: Gun Control, Economy, Education, Literature Art, ETC.?!?!
        Reading Hitlers communications it’s readily apparent that he, for one, did not view Communism as a contrasting ideology, but rather as a competing one, both communism and Nazism were after the same voting block!

        1. Bob Marcum says

          HUH ?????

          1. Ted Crawford says

            You forgot DUH!! Comrade

        2. Tired... says

          The political concepts of left and right are historical in origin and go far beyond how those constructs are currently perceived in America. People extrapolate this to mean that conservatism is the same as fascism, which is not the case.

          1. paendragon says

            Right and left go back to Biblical times. More recently, the “wings” referred to the
            seating arrangements in the French Parliament during the French Revolution.

            “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

            – Ecclesiastes 10:2 –

            And of course the infamous “Left-Hand Path” refers to evil Satan and his minions.

        3. Tired... says

          Ted, here are some websites that outline the beliefs of the German Nazi party in the early twentieth century:

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/history/mwh/germany/nazibeliefsrev2.shtml

          http://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/nazi-ideology/

          http://www.britannica.com/topic/Nazi-Party

          A
          ‘third way’. The horrors of World War I and the global economic crisis
          of the late 1920s saw many people reject existing political and economic
          systems, such as parliamentary democracy and capitalism. Socialism
          emerged as one alternative system – however both Nazism and fascism
          considered themselves a ‘third way’, an alternative to both democracy
          and socialism. Hitler was famously hostile to democracy, which he
          considered a weak and indecisive form of government, too prone to
          interference and infiltration by destructive forces. He also despised
          communism, regarding it as a Jewish invention to enslave entire nations
          and non-Jewish races. – See more at:
          http://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/nazi-ideology/#sthash.fA9Scsm6.dpuf
          A
          ‘third way’. The horrors of World War I and the global economic crisis
          of the late 1920s saw many people reject existing political and economic
          systems, such as parliamentary democracy and capitalism. Socialism
          emerged as one alternative system – however both Nazism and fascism
          considered themselves a ‘third way’, an alternative to both democracy
          and socialism. Hitler was famously hostile to democracy, which he
          considered a weak and indecisive form of government, too prone to
          interference and infiltration by destructive forces. He also despised
          communism, regarding it as a Jewish invention to enslave entire nations
          and non-Jewish races. – See more at:
          http://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/nazi-ideology/#sthash.fA9Scsm6.dpuf

        4. hangem'high says

          Actually they both wanted globalation of the world, similar to the Globalist of today!

        5. Betterbob says

          But different ends of the political spectrum. Nazi’s right, communist far left.

          1. Ted Crawford says

            AHHH…NO! Actually, from Hitlers viewpoint from the same side, the far left!!! The far Right is Anarchy!

          2. Betterbob says

            Quote “AHHH…NO! Actually, from Hitlers viewpoint, from the same side, the far left”

            As usual you are so wrong you are pathetic. Go learn some basic information about basic political philosophy.

            3rd grade social studies class may be a good place for you to start considering the level of your knowledge.

            http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/NazismSocialism.html

            For several years, the right wing has been equating nazism, the left,
            and socialism. This is standard propaganda for Fox News and the Tea
            Party which both denounce Obama as a socialist and at the same time
            portray him visually with a Hitler mustache. Conservatives have
            also argued that Jared Loughner — the shooter of U.S.
            Representative Gabrielle Giffords — was influenced by leftwing
            ideology
            because his reading list included both Das Kapital by Karl Marx and
            Hitler’s Mein Kampf (without
            mentioning another book on his list, We
            the Living, by
            Ayn Rand).

            The conflation of nazism and
            socialism has gone largely unchallenged by the media,
            and through repetition it is becoming almost “common knowledge” in the
            US, so I feel compelled to speak against it. I hope that others,
            especially professors who have occasion to talk about it in
            and out of class, will also speak against this vile propaganda.

            The
            basis of the conflation of nazism and socialism is the term “National
            Socialism,” a self description of the Nazis. “National
            Socialism” includes the word
            “socialism”, but it is just a word. Hitler and the Nazis
            outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse,
            even
            before they started rounding up Jews.
            In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists
            exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for “illegal
            socialist activity” in 1936.

            In the 1930s
            and even beyond, nazism, in sharp contrast to socialism, was strongly
            supported by leading capitalists and right wingers in the
            US. Henry Ford, the
            leading industrialist and auto maker, was a great admirer of the
            nazis. When Henry Ford announced that he might run for
            president in 1923,
            the little-known Hitler told the Chicago Tribune that he would like to
            send shock troops
            to Chicago to assist in the campaign. Later in 1938, the year of
            Kristallnacht, Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle,
            the
            highest civilian award given by the nazis. Ford accepted it with
            pride, and Ford’s company collaborated with the nazis as late as August
            1942. General
            Motors, Standard Oil, ITT, and Chase National Bank (later Chase
            Manhattan Bank) among others also had major financial investments and
            collaborations with
            Nazi Germany.

            J.
            Edgar Hoover, the first director of the FBI (and virulently
            anti-communist) was a great admirer of the nazis
            and was a pen pal of
            Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer of the Nazi SS, head of the Gestapo, and
            second most powerful leader of the Nazi party). Hoover sent
            Himmler a
            personal invitation to attend the 1937 World Police Conference in
            Montreal, and in 1938 welcomed one of Himmler’s top aids to the
            U.S.
            In June 1939, when the Nazi SS was conducting savage attacks against
            Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals throughout Germany, Hoover personally
            autographed a photo of himself and sent it in response to a request, to
            KRIPO, the Nazi criminal police agency. He continued
            communication
            with Nazi police until December 4, 1941 (three days before Pearl
            Harbor).*

            Nazism
            is a right wing ideology. It is violently racist, anti-socialist, and
            it targets the political left for extermination. This is
            underscored by Albert Einstein’s embrace of socialism throughout his
            life — and in particular in his 1949 essay, Why Socialism?
            — along with the fact that
            Einstein’s name was included on a nazi death list with a bounty of
            $50,000 offered for his assassination. If nazism really is
            socialism, why would Einstein have identified himself as a socialist a
            scant four years after WWII?

          3. Ted Crawford says

            YES, we know Comrade, you and Professor I’d play with it if only I could find it, know far better than Hitler, what Hitler was really thinking! You astonishing souls know, and always have known, what all of us are really thinking, what’s best for us and, of course , what we really want!
            You wait, impatiently for the rest of us to finally recognize your wonderful omniscience and comply. Only then can we achieve More’s Utopia!!! READ Hitlers OWN words Comrade dingbat!

          4. Betterbob says

            If you believe Hitler was sincere what he said then you are even a bigger fool than I thought you were. Hitler said whatever he needed to say to control the people.
            With the level of intelligence you display it is no wonder the only things you can do is swallow all the right wing propaganda and think yourself clever (which you are not) because you think you can throw out insults (you don’t). You really are pathetic.
            Go check your political history. Nazi’s were extreme right wing.

          5. Ted Crawford says

            Thank You for your compliment! That , such is your opinion of me is the highest compliment I could receive! While you are the exclamation point to Mr. Adams astute observation, “The most astonishing thing in education is the amount of ignorance it can accumulate in the form of inert facts!” Henry Adams
            Your cluelessness of reality, apart from academic fantasy land, recommends Mr. Zappa’s suggestion as well, “If you want to get Laid, go to College! If you want an Education, go to the Library!” Frank Zappa

          6. Betterbob says

            Go learn something. Of course you probably live by the the maxim, “ignorance is bliss.”
            Incidentally, I can find a 100 quotes for every situation. It does not mean a thing.

            http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/NazismSocialism.html

            The basis of the conflation of nazism and socialism is the term “National Socialism,” a self description of the Nazis. “National Socialism” includes the word “socialism”, but it is just a word. Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they started rounding up Jews. In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for “illegal socialist activity” in 1936.

            In the 1930s and even beyond, nazism, in sharp contrast to socialism, was strongly supported by leading capitalists and right wingers in the US. Henry Ford, the leading industrialist and auto maker, was a great admirer of the nazis. When Henry Ford announced that he might run for president in 1923, the little-known Hitler told the Chicago Tribune that he would like to send shock troops to Chicago to assist in the campaign. Later in 1938, the year of Kristallnacht, Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest civilian award given by the nazis. Ford accepted it with pride, and Ford’s company collaborated with the nazis as late as August 1942. General Motors, Standard Oil, ITT, and Chase National Bank (later Chase Manhattan Bank) among others also had major financial investments and collaborations with Nazi Germany.

            J. Edgar Hoover, the first director of the FBI (and virulently anti-communist) was a great admirer of the nazis and was a pen pal of Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer of the Nazi SS, head of the Gestapo, and second most powerful leader of the Nazi party). Hoover sent Himmler a personal invitation to attend the 1937 World Police Conference in Montreal, and in 1938 welcomed one of Himmler’s top aids to the U.S. In June 1939, when the Nazi SS was conducting savage attacks against Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals throughout Germany, Hoover personally autographed a photo of himself and sent it in response to a request, to KRIPO, the Nazi criminal police agency. He continued communication with Nazi police until December 4, 1941 (three days before Pearl Harbor).*

            Nazism is a right wing ideology. It is violently racist, anti-socialist, and it targets the political left for extermination. This is underscored by Albert Einstein’s embrace of socialism throughout his life — and in particular in his 1949 essay, Why Socialism? — along with the fact that Einstein’s name was included on a nazi death list with a bounty of $50,000 offered for his assassination. If nazism really is socialism, why would Einstein have identified himself as a socialist a scant four years after WWII?

      2. TPM says

        The Nazi Party was a political group that ruled Germany between 1933 and 1945. “Nazi” is a short form of the official name. In English the official name is the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

        QUESTION: Is socialism a right wing theory? Is a “workers party” (one that today might cater to the masses by telling all that they’re worth $15 per hour) right wing?
        Socialist / Fascist dictators (like Hitler, Stalin and Mao) attempt to disarm their nations, so that they may force the will of their party upon the citizenry. Bad things usually follow.

        I view socialism as a left wing ideology. Though I agree that far left or far right ideologies are destructive and often rely upon eroding the rights of the citizenry.
        Still, I believe that our progressives (democrats) are following Europe’s lead, toward a form of left leaning socialism.

        1. Tired... says

          The name is misleading and leads to several attribution errors. History views the Nazis as a right wing movement, not left wing. One example of this occurred during the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939), where the Republicans (left leaning) were supported by the Soviet Union and the Nationalists (right leaning) were supported by Nazi Germany.

          Question: what is the difference between the far left and far right?

          1. albaby2 says

            Polarity

          2. AirFrank says

            In your opinon how uneducated are you? The Republicans were never a left leaning party. It was the democrats that loved slavery. The democrats loved their Hitler. And the democrats love Stalin’s communism/

          3. Tired... says

            Then the Spanish Civil War must have really thrown them for a loop…

          4. Tired... says

            Evidently you didn’t realize that I was talking about the Spanish Civil War, not America.

          5. hangem'high says

            The far right should believe in states’ rights and individual rights, and the Left want to control the states and individuals rights! As in today both are on a global collision which means there basically on the same side of globalizing the world under a one world order and the US constitution and second amendment is standing in the way of it!

        2. Tom says

          Check out McDonnald’s, do you think anyone there is worth $15/hr? I say, “Absolutely not!” I have yet to find any of their workers worth even $6.50/hr. They are slower than most postal workers…hmm, could be where my postman got his training! Ask them anything and receive, “I dunno.” as a reply.
          Yeah, you deserve $15/hr. When pigs fly!

      3. AirFrank says

        Negative. The NAZI party was the National Socialist Party. A far left wing party. Liberals have been spewing that lie for 60 years.

        1. Tired... says

          Then we disagree.

      4. Tom says

        We killed them not once, but, twice. Lets make it THREE times, then they will be OUT. Hear that, Barry? We will eliminate you!

      5. paendragon says

        It’s easy to confuse the two because they are the same: there never was a “right wing.”

        The main difference between the national socialists (nazis) and international socialists (common communists) was the nationalism bit – the basic commies are globalists, whereas the nazis wanted a planet-sized Germany. Even “Fascism” itself was invented by the devoted Italian SOCIALIST, Benito Mussolini.

        The only other real difference is that the nazis pretend they only ‘control’ the military-industrial complex, while the commies proclaim outright ownership of it; but since ‘control’ really IS ownership, the alleged differences are only cosmetic and so ultimately moot; both communism and fascism (communazis) are totalitarian CONFORMITIES where only idolatrous group might makes right, and so no real live human individual has any.

        “We were taught that the difference between communism and fascism is:

        in communism, the People own everything and the State operates everything for the People.

        In Fascism, the State owns everything and operates everything for the People.

        In other words, a distinction without a difference.”

        – Herb Borkland –

        The whole “right-wing radicalization” slander attempt is typical of the criminal islamo-communazis’ immoral relativism – their #1 alibi to excuse their crimes is the Argumentum Tu Quoque “Two wrongs make a right!” fallacy: “We (leftists/muslims) aren’t evil because you all do it, too! Whee!”

        So, in order to “prove” this fallacy, they need to cherry-pick (or mock up fake) “evidence” that others “do it too!”

        Libertine “liberal” socialists (criminal gangster extortionists) are the real “islamophobes” – which is why they automatically defend the muzi crime-gang!

        THEY are the ones who recognize islam is scary, but since they are literal psycho-paths (thought killers) who instantly pretend the fear of fear is the worst crime (because it hurts feelings) they mock those rational people who openly admit it as “cowards.”

        And these libertine “liberals” (criminal gangster extortionists) love to blame their victims!

        Here’s an obvious difference between the left and right: remember the old adage about “Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day, but teach him how to fish, and you’ve fed him for a lifetime!”?

        “Rightists” (if they in fact really exist at all) are all for individual self-reliant responsibility, and so want to teach people how to fish (fend) for them selves, while leftists want their victims to become dependent on them, as slaves are to a master; i.e:

        “Vote for us again, or you won’t get tomorrow’s fish – CAPISCE!?”

        😉

        “Socialism” is criminal gangster extortion leading to slavery. That’s really all it is.

        “Right wingers” are only normal people who don’t like being extorted by “socialist” gangsters.

        Gangster victimologists always feel endangered by proud individualists.

        Honestly, people – “right wingers” don’t actually exist. Hitler was a National SOCIALIST.

        Remember “Fascism” was invented by Benito Mussolini, the devoted Italian SOCIALIST.

        So, what’s a “right winger?” It’s any normal person who wakes up enough to take a bit of time off from minding their own businesses to temporarily band together to vote to not be extorted any more by group-might-makes-rights-worshiping “socialist” gangsters.

        1. Tired... says

          I am confused; earlier you stated that the concept of the right and the left originated in the Bible, and yet here you say that the right doesn’t exist.

          Similar, but not the same. The left-right construct can be best viewed as a circle rather than a continuum; thus there is very little distinction between the far left (Communism) and the far right (Fascism/Nazism).

    5. Jeffrey Grimes says

      It’s no one’s fault but our own for not fighting back. The revolt should have started with the ranchers. It should have started at the Bundy Ranch. it should have started when LaVoy was shot. Face it: The 3% HAVE NOT A SINGLE PAIR OF BALLS AMONG 70M PLUS GUN OWNERS.

      1. Ted Crawford says

        Actually a far more reasonable beginning could have and should have been in November of 2012! Astonishingly enough, those who rejected a honorable, Conservative Capitalist, Romney, then, now support a Corrupt, Democrat, Crony Capitalist today !

        1. AirFrank says

          Romney was no conservative

          1. Tired... says

            Neither is Trump.

          2. hangem'high says

            He’s a true blue American, not some pretend globalist trying to sell us out!

          3. Tired... says

            umhmmm….this forum continues to convince me that I cannot vote for Trump.

          4. hangem'high says

            And you’re just figuring that out?
            Trump 2016!

          5. Tired... says

            I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

          6. hangem'high says

            The way I see it, you have four choices Looser John Kasich, or second and eighth place Cruzy and Phil arena, or the liberals favorite Killary? Or you could do what’s right for America, your choice?

          7. Tired... says

            We have different visions. One of the things that hurts Trump in my calculus are his supporters.

          8. hangem'high says

            WOW! That’s something I would expect Obummer would say; including about his own!

          9. Tired... says

            This isn’t an either/or issue. I don’t particularly care for either man; the only difference is that Trump is still somewhat of an unknown. The problem for me has been the rudeness of Trump’s supporters. I am just as upset about many of the same things that upset them, but if you ask them to consider more than one possible solution to a problem or a different interpretation of an event, they go spastic. That does not reflect well on their candidate.

            I know that many people want to believe that Trump is a conservative, but he is as big an unknown as Obama was in 2008. Regarding Obama, the signs were there but not everyone read them. For me Trump falls into the same camp; he may end up being good, but the signs are concerning.

          10. hangem'high says

            The only candidate that I know that would have the same unknowns as Obummer is lying Ted

            He’s an immigrant educated in the USA, his support is coming from??? Some say Soros’s?

            His wife is the first lady of the IMF,TPP!

            https://youtu.be/e2M-ieE93eg

            Yeah, the TRUMP supporters are real violent

            https://youtu.be/wmm9ox86zSM

            I’ve got a lot more if you want me to share them with U?

          11. Betterbob says

            Looks like you need spelling lessons. It is spelt OBAMA.

          12. hangem'high says

            Oh, Bummer I feel so BAD!

          13. Betterbob says

            You should.

          14. hangem'high says

            It’s better to Weave then BoB!

          15. Betterbob says

            No idea what you are talking about.

          16. hangem'high says

            I’ll give you credit, some times it’s best not to see what’s coming!

          17. Betterbob says

            If you would write in terms that people can understand you may be you would get an answer. However, making cryptic remarks where people are supposed to guess what you mean or what you are thinking does not cut it. Either explain what you are talking about or don’t say anything.

          18. hangem'high says

            Since the conversation is between U and me, not everyone will get it, betterbob and weave, but alas it has shot somewhere in space and is lost forever?

          19. Betterbob says

            As I said before I have no idea what you are babbling on about. Write in clear English instead of your personal pigeon dialect and may be I will understand. What has weaving got to do with anything?

          20. hangem'high says

            Then I shall leave U with happy thoughts BoB!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhtReK-Rxd4

          21. Betterbob says

            No idea what that means, but if you are implying what I think you are implying again you are 100% wrong. I am a 66 yo white male university professor. Now who is the chump?

          22. hangem'high says

            I should have guessed that is if, I were guessing?

            Do you have chimps in class professor, or just Bernie supporters?

          23. Betterbob says

            Whichever they are they are eons ahead of you in terms of intelligence.

          24. hangem'high says

            Must of taut ‘em sign language!

          25. Thebob says

            One more thing, 40 years ago, Science was saying we were all going to freeze to death from global cooling, not were all gonna burn and die….Make up your mind. Another side note, the temperature of the earth or the Average temps haven’t changed since the beginning of the last century. Most of the climate graphs leave out periods, so basically we cooled the first half of last century, then warmed to were we are now, which makes the temps back to what they were before the industrial revolution began….Science can interpret whatever they want if they don’t include all the factual data….When science can produce something tangible, I would consider taking them more seriously.

          26. Betterbob says

            As usual you have your facts all wrong.

            Some scientist were predicting a cooling trend but the vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted warming.

            “[M]any publications now claiming the world is on the brink of a global warming disaster said the same about an impending ice age – just 30 years ago. Several major ones, including The New York Times, Time magazine and Newsweek, have reported on three or even four different climate shifts since 1895.” (Fire and Ice)

            In the thirty years leading up to the 1970s, available temperature recordings suggested that there was a cooling trend. As a result some scientists suggested that the current inter-glacial
            period could rapidly draw to a close, which might result in the Earth plunging into a new ice age over the next few centuries. This idea could have been reinforced by the knowledge that the smog that climatologists call ‘aerosols’ – emitted by human activities into the atmosphere – also caused cooling. In fact, as temperature recording has improved in coverage, it’s become apparent that the cooling trend was most pronounced in northern land areas and that global temperature trends were in fact relatively steady during the period prior to 1970.

            At the same time as some scientists were suggesting we might be facing another ice age, a greater number published contradicting studies. Their papers showed that the growing amount of greenhouse gasses that humans were putting into the atmosphere would cause much greater warming – warming that would exert a much greater influence on global temperature than any possible natural or human-caused cooling effects.

            By 1980 the predictions about ice ages had ceased, due to the overwhelming evidence contained in an increasing number of reports that warned of global warming. Unfortunately, the small number of predictions of an ice age appeared to be much more interesting than those of global warming, so it was those sensational ‘Ice Age’ stories in the press that so many people tend to remember.

            The fact is that around 1970 there were 6 times as many scientists predicting a warming rather than a cooling planet. Today, with 30+years more data to analyse, we’ve reached a clear scientific consensus: 97% of working climate scientists agree with the view that human beings are causing global warming. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c3fe39fbe6b7346873c486fc81bab2715d3cfc3f34a53e930285aa9b2662fc46.jpg

          27. Thebob says

            http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/clip_image002_thumb.png?w=602&h=329

            Then please explain why in the last 17 years that there is no warming at all?
            http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/03/04/updated-global-temperature-no-global-warming-for-17-years-6-months-no-warming-for-210-months/

            I guess to agree to disagree, I was on board with this whole warming thing until I actually started to study it and look at ALL the data, not just what pointed to what I want to see. I then formed my own opinion based on climate experts who are Climatologist’s and Meteorologists, not some physics professor at some gov’t funded Uni…I looked at both sides and formed an educated opinion on this matter, primarily based on 2 major facts, The Sun is the primary driving force of the Temp on our Planet, if you can’t admit that then IDK…Man accounts for .0001 of 1% of the Total CO2 emissions, so man accounts for 1/10,000th of 1% of the total CO2 emissions, sorry the Earth can fart once and emit 100,000 times the amount in 1 day that man can produce in a life time of CO2….And as far as the food and stuff you brought up, most of those resources are eatten up by our major corporate cattle farms, which consumes some 60% of the corn produced and 60-70% of water. I will admit we do eat way too much red meat, especially in NA. Man can effect small environmental changes with pollution, but as history has shown and science has backed up the environment when left alone will take care of itself. Hell you get rid of all humans on the planet tomorrow and less than a generation you probably couldn’t even tell we were every here….

          28. Betterbob says

            What has global warming done since 1998?

            Every part of the Earth’s climate system has continued warming since 1998, with 2015 shattering temperature records.
            Climate Myth…It hasn’t warmed since 1998

            For the years 1998-2005, temperature did not increase. This period coincides with society’s continued pumping of more CO2 into the atmosphere.

            Even if we ignore long term trends and just look at the record-breakers, 2015, 2014, 2010, and 2005 were hotter than 1998. The myth of no warming since 1998 was based on the satellite record estimates of the temperature of the atmosphere. However, even that argument is no longer accurate. The satellites show warming since 1998 too.

            There’s also a tendency for some people just to concentrate on atmospheric or surface air temperatures when there are other, more useful, indicators that can give us a better idea
            how rapidly the world is warming. More than 90% of global warming heat goes into warming the oceans, while less than 3% goes into increasing the atmospheric and surface air temperature. Records show that the Earth has been warming at a steady rate before and since 1998 and there is no sign of it slowing any time soon.

            Even if we focus exclusively on global surface temperatures, Cowtan & Way (2013)
            shows that when we account for temperatures across the entire globe (including the Arctic, which is the part of the planet warming fastest), the global surface warming trend for 1997–2015 is approximately 0.14°C per decade.

            Ultimately, every part of the Earth’s climate system is warming, and has continued warming since 1998. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f786e251557403d90b6bd963c0bb9f9cf46ca68bad01fabcb4f8bb5ff558dd1.jpg

          29. Thebob says

            Abstract of CLimate Consensus and ‘Misinformation’:
            Agnotology is the study of how ignorance arises via circulation of misinformation calculated to mislead. Legates et al. (Sci Educ 22:2007–2017, 2013) had questioned the applicability of agnotology to politically-charged debates. In their reply, Bedford and Cook (Sci Educ 22:2019–2030, 2013), seeking to apply agnotology to climate science, asserted that fossil-fuel interests had promoted doubt about a climate consensus. Their definition of climate ‘misinformation’ was contingent upon the post-modernist assumptions that scientific truth is discernible by measuring a consensus among experts, and that a near unanimous consensus exists. However, inspection of a claim by Cook et al. (Environ Res Lett 8:024024, 2013) of 97.1 % consensus, heavily relied upon by Bedford and Cook, shows just 0.3 % endorsement of the standard definition of consensus: that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic. Agnotology, then, is a two-edged sword since either side in a debate may claim that general ignorance arises from misinformation allegedly circulated by the other. Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain. Therefore, Legates et al. appropriately asserted that partisan presentations of controversies stifle debate and have no place in education.

          30. Thebob says

            Rigorous international surveys conducted by German scientists Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch—most recently published in Environmental Science & Policy in 2010—have found that most climate scientists disagree with the consensus on key issues such as the reliability of climate data and computer models. They do not believe that climate processes such as cloud formation and precipitation are sufficiently understood to predict future climate change.
            Surveys of meteorologists repeatedly find a majority oppose the alleged consensus. Only 39.5% of 1,854 American Meteorological Society members who responded to a survey in 2012 said man-made global warming is dangerous. Cite- WSJ.com.

            Look up the work of Dr. Bob Carter…Then get back to me with your own opinion not this MSM bs you keep regurgitating…

          31. Tired... says

            Trump has already said that he will morph, whatever that means, and he is not bound by principles, which is concerning. In that way he is like Obama.

          32. hangem'high says

            He speaks my language, do U need a Translation, are you even an American?

            https://youtu.be/1WUVP6l9Das

          33. Tired... says

            Wow, we can’t have a different opinion? Are you a liberal?

          34. hangem'high says

            No just the other side of the opinion!

            https://youtu.be/lxaKUo5naoY

          35. Tired... says

            That is not how it came across when you said “…do U need a Translation, are you even an American?”

            I am confident that we share many of the same concerns about our county’s current leadership and direction; where we appear to differ is how to solve the problem. I hope that you are right because it looks like Trump will be the nominee, but I am not as confident as you regarding his principles.

            The Cruzbot/Trumpette talk has got to stop. We are in this disaster together no matter what happens.

          36. hangem'high says

            Should be an interesting shake up, time will tell if we still have that pioneer spirit to unite against a multitude of foes!

          37. Tired... says

            I am not giving up but I am also not convinced that there are enough thoughtful people out there to make a difference. Too many people believe what the see on TV or read in a magazine is 100% accurate; they do not possess the ability or even the desire to discern the truth from the lies. Time will tell if we were wise or foolish.

          38. hangem'high says

            I guess we both will have to stand in line and hope for the best!
            “United we stand divided we fall!”

          39. Tired... says

            Indeed.

          40. Ted Crawford says

            Really? But, but, but…Trump IS!! Seriously, have you heard of Cognitive Dissonance before?

          41. hangem'high says

            Trump is a nationalist that’s more conservative then most!

          42. Ted Crawford says

            Perhaps it would behoove you to expand your research material a little!! Trump is, and always has been, a Corrupt Crony Capitalist Democrat! That is a matter of Public Record, going back since he first appeared on the National Scene! It’s verifiable from any News Paper, magazine, TV Interview he’s ever given, UNTIL just a couple of months ago, when he, apparently, had a revelation ( after a phone call from slick willy) and an awakening!! It’s a miracle!!! OR is it a scam?

          43. hangem'high says

            If he breaks his word I’ll stand with the communist progressives, Muslims and the La Raza movement and bring down the USA!

          44. Ted Crawford says

            Under President Hillary Clinton You will anyway or find yourself dead or in prison!

          45. hangem'high says

            This I also believe, but she is not a real Democrat she’s a socialist Jew paid for by foreign countries like the Jewish Cabal that needs to bring down the US for that One World Order! Should prove to be an interesting decade!

            https://youtu.be/RO0S6j2Zsqo

          46. Ted Crawford says

            We’ll all know, on or about July 22!

          47. hangem'high says

            Whether the elite cancel the primaries or not?

          48. Ted Crawford says

            It’s a moot point! This Dog and Pony show is OVER! Trump IS the Republican Nominee! That being the case Hillary IS the 45th. President of the United States! All that follows until January 20, 2017 is simply a stage production for the benefit of the delusional!

          49. hangem'high says

            Finally something we can agree on, the elections are fixed and have been for years!

          50. hangem'high says

            Globalists come in all nationality and religions, Conservative? No!

      2. Tom says

        Were YOU there with your gun, all ‘lock and loaded’? Or all snuggled in your bed with visions of Barry dancing in your head?
        You are correct about it being OUR fault for not fighting, for not supporting those ranchers at their “Valley Forge”. They wanted our help, they asked for our help. We let them down. I appologize to them for my failure, it will not occur again. If I am physically able, I will be present and will hold the high ground.

        Death to all muslims
        Long Live America!

        1. Jeffrey Grimes says

          No. Sadly due to my situation I have never been able to afford a firearm. However, you don’t see me claiming I am “Mad as Hell” and “Not going to take it.” I’m not the one yelling “Come and Take It” while cowering behind a keyboard.

          I’ll admit it: I am not a fighter. However I am not claiming to be and then not backing it up. At the same time, I will cook a damned good meal for a person fighting to protect me, because THAT is what I can offer.

      3. hangem'high says

        It should have started, and possibly it did start at Waco Texas, and Ruby ridge. Now I guess you can say Bundy ranch, or the holdup at an empty BLM shack, located out in the desert!

        Next target I would sagest a femma camp, or a UN headquarters and take live video feeds so it’s not a one sided event!

        https://youtu.be/IcefSGZlyBA

        Nothing like biting the hand that feeds yea, but then what did we expect would happen?

    6. Bob Marcum says

      It would be ideal, of course, to be able to live without toting firearms. But; the corrupt will not allow it. We were able to do so, in the middle of the 20th century ( with a reasonable amount of security).
      However; this is not the ’50s, anymore and never will be, of course. Time creates evolution.
      Everything evolves. But; the need for individual protection NEVER ceases. The second amendment will never be out-of-style. The weapon technology changes, but never the need
      for the weaponry; and, our weaponry should never be less effective than that of the military.
      There are obvious exceptions, to that comparison, of course, regarding the heavier military
      hardware; sure. We don’t need bazookas in the hands of every parent in America ( of
      course, not ). But; the normal expected need, for the 2nd amendment, will always exist.

    7. John Brown says

      Really? Only a FOX Network News junket would ever say that. Who else would swallow such a load of BS. If you want to see Natzi in action just look at Ted Cruz and the Tea Party.

      1. AirFrank says

        Stupid runs deep in this one

        1. John Brown says

          Educate yourself by turning off garbage unreliable talk shows and so-called news programs.

          1. hangem'high says

            Maybe you should turn one on once in a while, or pay your cable bill!

          2. John Brown says

            I get satellite and better reception than you.

          3. hangem'high says

            Well, keep listening to the Bill Marr show one day he might actually get one right!

          4. John Brown says

            News flash: He hasn’t been wrong yet. Unlike Fox Network News, he checks his facts and shows footage of the BS coming out of the Republican Party. Hr has at least 1 Republican on most shows. try and find a Republican talk show that has as many Democrats invited.

          5. hangem'high says

            Well at least Bill Marr is one liberal that knows Muslims are dangerous, I give him that!

          6. John Brown says

            So are a lot of other people and Ted Cruz is one. He is the absentee Representative from my district. He only comes here when He wants something from us. You are Not a Republican, You are a Brown Shirt.

          7. hangem'high says

            I’m an American first kind of guy; I don’t like throwing any Americans kids under the Muslim or La Raza buss! This is a war of culture where do Americans draw the red line, Canada?
            TRUMP 2016!

      2. hangem'high says

        Come out of the wrabbit hole much?

        1. John Brown says

          You need to look closer and check more than just letting others tell you what to think. I have found that the most miss information and out and out lies have been found on Clear Channel Radio, Newsmax and Fox Network News. I have even checked into some of their sponsors and have found them to be garbage. I have seen many ads for so-called cures that are nothing than a form of the old paten median rip off and snake oil. Even the head of Fox News has stated that Fox News is NOT a journalistic news program it is an entertainment network. In that statement he made clear that they did not have to tell the truth in any of these programs. Publically, some people who had worked for this network had become so sickened by its made up news programs that the quit. That has not been a surprise to many and its accuracy rating is less than 18%.

          It is not me that needs to come out of that rabbit hole, it is you.

          1. hangem'high says

            Better stay where it’s safe;

            https://youtu.be/yJOuORY1PCI

            Wouldn’t want you learn something to screw up your programming!

          2. John Brown says

            Fact check: George H. Bush had a Blanket amnesty program for Illegal aliens. All they had to do was to register. The program failed.

            Obama has deported more illegals than G.W. Bush.

            Obama’s plan utilizes the tax money used to educate illegal children who were brought here by their parents and they had no say and many were born here years after their parents came here. It makes more finical sense to get these illegals legalized and on the road to pay taxes, they should pay more than everyone else to pay back the tax money that the government paid for their medical care before becoming legal citizens. We paid for their education and we should benefit from it.

            The massive deportation program that Trump and Cruz propose would bankrupt the country and turn this government into a Gestapo government. That is being a NATZI.

            It is sad that there people like you that the only history they know comes from Social Media. There is a wealth of Historical documentation If you are willing to get away from those who have an alternative motive. Mine is for you to wake up and do your own research and get away from this stupid on-line bickering contest.

          3. hangem'high says

            That was twenty million La Raza members later hopefully minus a few?

            https://youtu.be/YLe3PQaZPt0

    8. John Brown says

      Don’t you know anything about College additions? That is how you get a better rate on your college tuition. It happens every day. You use whatever angel you can. His happened to be his absentee father. If you had a parent of a foreign underprivileged country you could do the same. Besides, How do you know that this is Not a faked ID. For $250 in down town Houston I can get you one that says anything and would pass as orthotic. Houston, TX has a large illegal population, (Ted Cruz home town) and they all need fake ID to work or get a car.

      Ware in hell does that NATZI thing come from? Overly they don’t know what a NATZI is. Try this;

      It is 1930 Germany all over again and Ted Cruz is the rising star.

      Compare the Tea Party in words and actions with the German Workers Party http://spartacus-educational.com/GERgwp.htm Even Former Speaker Boehner calls Ted Cruz ‘Lucifer in the flesh’

    9. Betterbob says

      You do realize that Nazi’s are an extreme right wing political philosophy.

    10. 1EdMeadows83 says

      Jim, obviously you weren’t alive during WW-2. If you had been you would see how ridiculous your accusation is. I’m not going to draw comparison. I’ll just state facts. I don’t think President Obama has placed millions of Jews in death camps. If he has, I haven’t heard of them. You just posted an article of dissent (I spelled it correctly). I hear oh so many speeches that I wish would be banned, but they aren’t. So much for restricting Freedom of Speech. I wasn’t aware that the Holy 2nd amendment has been hared in any way. College kids can now take weapons to class. What’s next, kindergartners with AK-47s. I’m not going to attempt to counter every stupid accusation you made, but I think you get the idea!

  7. Jim Horn says

    We have a problem with those (Democrats, Islamists, Communists, and Socialists, aka DICS) who would like to control all of us, our actions, our thoughts, and just about everything else. Unfortunately, there are far and away more Americans who take not and are taking note of these activities.

    Guns and ammo are still top sellers (thanks to Obama and the liberals) without advertising on so many of those feeble minded media ‘giants’. Even knives, tomahawks, archery gear and other weaponry are ramping up their sales. Some states, like California are placing more and more restrictions on gun buyers, owners, and ammo retailers. They are causing a huge black market of dealers making tons of money under the radar and not paying idiotic fees and taxes, and gun buyers are getting what they need or want either in other states, or increasingly from south of the border as well as what is smuggled in on aircraft and ships. There are others who are starting to make crude and sometimes not so crude guns in their garages and basements, along with ammo products, and more.

    As for myself, I am not alone in getting my needs met.

    Further, I watch FOX far less than I used to, don’t subscribe to Time-Warner, Comcast, or COX (there are ways to obtain information coming from satellites without subscribing, and lots of people are doing just that). I shun Starbucks, Target, Panera, Chopotle, and any other place that has an anti-gun sticker in their window. I frequent places that respect me and other true Americans and Patriots.

    In some ways, Obama and the left are bestirring real people, decent people to sit up, take notice and to even take action that the wankers of the left did not expect us to do.

  8. Chuck Rolando says

    I bet their security has guns fully automatic and semi auto no single shots. Why do they need this kind of security. Comcast are scum bags and hypocritical idiots

    1. Barbedwire says

      Right, they wish fewer guns in the hands of citizens, them first. Put hillary out, without firearms, we wouldn’t have to worry about her being elected POTUS!

    2. Tired... says

      Because their rights trump ours. This is what “leading from behind” looks like and back in the day they had a name for those who conformed to this type of thinking…they were called “cannon fodder.”

  9. Alleged Comment says

    Hey wait a minute. Who buys guns on TV ads? Print is always where we look at. You can get a good Youtube video about your guns so who needs them?

    And the internet has all the major manufacturer’s website. So don’t get it?? These corps are sure fooling a lot of people, mainly the dumbass lib.

    1. Laddyboy says

      Alleged Comment: First the air-waves then the feds will control the internet. This is one reason I do not want the feds involved in PRIVATE businesses or in the LIVES of individual Americans.

  10. apzzyk says

    A very good example of self regulation which is very rare. I can’t remember even seeing a gun ad on any cable station, so they may not have happened. However, when you enter the public domain, it is required that you cater to the majority, and on the gun issue, for once, the majority has won. There are over 300M people in the US, of which it is guessed or claimed, about 1/3 are gun owners, and of these, only about 5% or 5 million people are members of any gun organization, and the NRA seems to be loosing members because of its totally radical stands on everything – farther out of any reasonable position on everything – attack ads on Democratic senators regarding the next member of the supreme court – I have yet to find even one gun owner who thinks this is appropriate.

    1. Tired... says

      I live in a state with two Democratic Senators and haven’t seen one NRA attack ad, although that is probably about as accurate a reflection of reality as your statement.

  11. OSAMA OBAMA says

    America’s libTURD shame! A business can prohibit the second amendment, but not deny a gay couple a cake! “WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE”
    Can’t wait to see how badly Ohillary shats on America!

    1. AKLady2015 says

      More ignorance, bigotry and lies. To avoid being arbitrary, there must be a reason for refusing service and the business must be consistent. Legally, a business can’t just randomly refuse to serve someone.

      1. Karen says

        If you don’t have on a shirt or shoes, some businesses refuse service! Hey everyone who wants to boycott Target and Starbucks, just go enmass to these stores with no shirt or shoes. When they refuse to let everyone in, slap a law suit against them. If 100 people did this daily for 2 weeks, they would have1400 lawsuits pending and that could put a big dent in their profit line margin!! You could continue doing this until it really counts. Do to them what they want to do to us! Time to take control! Wake Up America!!

        1. AKLady2015 says

          You will out women, such as yourself oyut of jobs.
          That never crossed your mind for a second, did it.

          1. Ted Crawford says

            Nor, in this case, for this reason, should it!

          2. AKLady2015 says

            Obvioisly, you do not care who your hurt while you impose your religious bigotry on others.
            .
            Such wonderful Christian caring for one’s fellow human.

          3. Ted Crawford says

            There you go again, assuming facts NOT at all in evidence!!! Sorry ole’ clueless one, I’m NOT a Christian! I’m instead a Deist! My position is one of common sense and completely secular in nature!

          4. AKLady2015 says

            Diests do not impose their belefs on others. They are extremely respectful of the beliefs of others. The majority of Diests are well informed in regard to many religions.

          5. Ted Crawford says

            It’s NOT any “belief”! It’s a FACT, based on historic and empirical evidence! The, piecemeal, or otherwise degradation of a long established system of values, ALWAYS, throughout all of History, signals ultimately the inevitable destruction of that Society! If one can be forced to fund an action against their belief, another can be forced and another and yet another!!!!!
            Don’t try that disingenuous nonsense about being a pacifist and funding the Military, either!
            8 of the 19 Clauses included in Article I, Section VIII, of the Constitution deal with our Military and/or National Defense! NONE of them deal with Tax Payer Funding of Infanticide!!!

          6. AKLady2015 says

            Diests do not impose their belefs on others. They are extremely respectful of the beliefs of others. The majority of Diests are well informed in regard to many religions.+

            Federal funding (Medicare/Medicaid) for abortion is only available in case of misscarriage, death of the featus, and/or danger to the mother’s life.

            On the other hand, military hopitals provide abortion on demand.

          7. Ted Crawford says

            “Federal funding for abortion is only available….” WRONG!!!
            Two terms: Fungible – which does require proof, nearly impossible to get, comes readily to mind! Having empirical knowledge with organizations with legally structured funding mandates, I assure you it’s very, very easy to get around these requirements!
            The second is a simple given, Facilitate: If Tax payer money is used to pay for operating costs of the organization, that frees up their money, otherwise required for this purpose, for use in abortions! That’s not even arguable!

          8. AKLady2015 says

            Another well brainwashed, right-wing ignoramous.

            Only approved providers recieve Medicare and/or Medicaid payments.

            All Medicaid and/or Medicare providers are audited.

            May I suggest that you educate yourself instead of publishing your ignorance for thw world ot see?

      2. Tired... says

        In at least one of the cases the business did serve the individuals who filed suit and had for some time. They just felt that making the cake would be seen in the community as an endorsement of the couple’s lifestyle and the owners did not feel that accurately reflected their beliefs. In the owner’s eyes there was no problem serving everyone equally in the bakery; it was participation in the celebration of an event that ran contrary to their beliefs and how that participation would be perceived that they found objectionable. If this is accurate, would this meet the criteria of being consistent, assuming that they would not make a cake for any other same sec couple?

        1. AKLady2015 says

          Is missing a leg a “lifestyle”?
          Ho,osexuolty is not a lifestyle.
          It is a gentic.

          1. Ted Crawford says

            WRONG!! There is absolutely NO evidence that Homosexuality is ANYTHING save a CHOICE !

          2. AKLady2015 says

            What credentials do you have that per,its you to speak authoratatively on bioogical science? Just religious bigotry?

          3. Ted Crawford says

            WRONG again Comrade I’m a Deist, not a Christian! Neither am I a dam_ fool!

          4. AKLady2015 says

            Geneticist Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute reported in Science that one or more genes for homosexuality had to reside on Xq28, a large region on the X chromosome.

            Humans aren’t the only species that has same-sex pairings. Moreover, homosexuality has bwwn noted to occur repeatedly in family lines. Studies indicate the “gay gene” is passed by the mother.
            .

          5. Ted Crawford says

            Perhaps Dr. Hamer would be better served were he to stick to the discipline of Oncology and leave the Genetics to the pure Geneticists! It is, of course, also possible that Dr. Hamer is a little ‘lite in his own loafers’ !