Engaged In Wars Without an End?

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Maybe we were doomed from the beginning. Calling our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan the “War on Terror” drew nervous resistance from those who likened it to another one of America’s most disastrous visions: the War on Drugs. More than a decade after our first troops landed in Afghanistan, the Bowe Bergdahl prisoner exchange throws the biggest question into sharp relief: what the hell is this all about?

There was a time when we knew, or at least we thought we did. We were in Iraq to enforce worldwide sanctions against Saddam Hussein and to prevent the proliferation of ye olde weapons of mass destruction. We were in Afghanistan as a more direct result of 9/11, attacking the Taliban for their refusal to hand over Al-Qaeda ringleader Osama bin Laden. With bin Laden’s body having been fed to the sharks and Saddam Hussein long dead, isn’t it time to question just what we were (and, unfortunately, are) doing over there?

Yes, yes, the war in Iraq was over. We brought almost all of our troops home. Now, however, show me one thinking American that doesn’t believe we might be in for Round 2, Round 3, and I’ll show you an American who hasn’t been paying attention. Barack Obama may not have instigated this war, but he was fully in charge of seeing it into its home stretch. If you think he’s going to let his legacy reflect that a band of Sunni militants retook the country on his watch, think again. That legacy has been tarnished enough by Obamacare, an explosion in the national debt, failed economic recovery attempts, the ugly deterioration of our relationship with Israel…well, you could go on forever. He’s not going to let Iraq descend into full-scale religious war without U.S. troops on the ground.

Afghanistan – it now seems clear – is a war that can’t be won. The Taliban have only strengthened in the last couple of years, and the Bowe Bergdahl situation is not so much a bizarre anomaly as it is a damning indication that we don’t know what the end game is. Are we Afghanistan’s Western police force? Are we planning to eradicate the Taliban altogether? What constitutes a clear and true ending to the conflict? I’m afraid that no one in the current administration would be able to answer that question, and that leaves the door open to any number of possibilities. Including releasing major Taliban chieftains back into the wild, apparently. If there’s no particular plan, after all, then why not?

America has two ongoing policies that sometimes come into direct conflict – we don’t leave a brother behind, and we don’t negotiate with terrorists. We were forced into a situation where we had to choose one or the other in the Bergdahl scenario, and Obama chose to follow the former and ignore the latter. The major problem with this is that the Taliban aren’t done fighting. They will likely never be done fighting as long as there are men to fight. Therefore, what he did was nothing less than emboldening and strengthening the enemy. Alas, in these wars without end or meaning, the truth of that simple fact becomes obscured.

42 Comments
  1. Stratosåurus® says

    Straight out of Orwell’s ‘1984’, with Odildo the Mad as Big Brother….

  2. Holy Joe says

    Yet another full scale Intervention War in Iraq will provide exactly the excuse that Obama is looking for in order to bankrupt America into total financial destruction so that he can rebuild it as his Marxist-Caliphate with himself as the undisputed leader of his version of “The Brave New World.” Yogi Berra updated is –
    ” Deja Vue & ‘1984’ All Over Again.” Consider this, – backing Syrian Rebels with Sunnis & Kurds aided by Al Q’aeda & the local Taliban, to attack the Southern Iraqi Shia, with the aid Of Iran who is really backing their new allies the Shia in Southern Iran. Like most of Obama’s intended action it does not make any sense except to himself. Obama’s cheaper & wiser logic would be to have the U.S. Military stay at home and fight each other in the Washington Paleskins (Four-Skins, whatever) Stadium on ‘Pay for View’ while he and his family Jets off at our expense for yet another vacation of Golf etc. in Hawaii. It would be much cheaper all around. Then to follow on we will get ‘La Clinton” who’s idea of governing will be to put every employed worker’s naughty bits in a taxation vise and tighten it up for even more Communist Asset redistribution for our idlers and welfare cheats. Anyway we look at it we are really & truly screwed.

  3. govtrumbull says

    If we want to end “No Win Wars” and the Inited States policy of being the policeman of the World, then
    “GET US OUT of The United Nations.” That is the outfit that is forcing the United States into these conflicts. In fact every time America signs onto some new Treaty with the U.N., another piece of our sovereignty disappears. The latest brainstorm is the idea of giving the U.N. control of U.S. territorial waters, which means we lose control of not just the current “three mile limit,” but everything up to the coast lines! That means the U.N. would make policy over our harbors. Obama wants it and it is shear madness!

    1. whisper says

      STREIGHT UP !!!

    2. Ddenney1 says

      I agree that the UN is a useless entity and with Oblammer it has control over sovereignty of the U.S. and do not think Clinton or ANY demon rat will be ANY different!

    3. Mark Bigger says

      The United Nations is of an evil intent. They believe in a one world, organized, supervised, monitored and policed way of life. America does not live like that and we do not want the other nations interfering in our business. There are many who have seen the ad for UN (not sure exactly what it was) gun collector, people re-educator or whatever, this was not a welcome sign of what is to come. I can’t verify that the ad was valid or not, but I would not disbelieve it. We know that there may be plans for them to come and help relieve gun owners of their guns, as per their small arms treaty-that Kerry signed about 6 months ago. The Americans that I talk to do not want any foreign troops to step foot on our soil. If the UN does come, they will know right away that they are not welcome. I am not placing a threat, this is just an opinion of others of what I have gathered in the last 2 years

      1. catman says

        Hell, I’ll place the threat to U.N. troops. You step on any part of my soil and you are going to be shipped home in a body bag. So long as I can pull a trigger, I WILL defend this country just as I did during the Korean “conflict”.

    4. DMChoreographer says

      Both houses bow to the Saudi’s oil and who are enamored with the Zionist state. None of us are free or safe….
      http://youtu.be/9MlYNuNNYOw

  4. ttoolman says

    I will never follow Obama for one thing he could care less about me or this country.He has opened our borders and let in every kind of trash this filthy world has to offer.He has proven to me that he does not care a bit about this once great nation.I just no that the next few months can’t get here fast enough so he can get the hell out of the American people’s White House.

    1. al.k says

      sure wish we had a say in politics, globalist henry kissinger said obama was put in to get the new world order going, they trained this Islamic sodomite communist to follow orders, they give the orders, he is bold enough to challenge anything we had for laws, just like the rest of presidents, they are all owned by the same group of thugs, we had the bush crime family, we had the clintons.

      no one can pull us out of this mess, we were a praying nation, now we got churches that preach prosperity and twist the scripture, that says perverse preachers that profess gain is godliness,
      1 Tim 6:5, the people have been bequilded by religion and blind sighted by politics, the mainstream media are the mouth piece for these thugs and don’t forget holly weird, they make all the movies like the ben laden execution, totally a hollywood scene, and since when do the terrorist bury at sea?

  5. C K Johnson says

    There is no way to win any war. When we fight by all of these rules. And our Muslim enemies fight without any rules or constraints.

    1. BRUNO BROWN says

      Since when does any war fight with rules? Are you nuts!!! Wars have no rules and if Americans walk around with a target on their backs, do you see Talibans or ISIS with uniforms [Targets]????
      Quennsbury rules are a thing of the past when you fought with honor, today??? no honor, just kill,kill,kill, Drones ,,. what a way to fight,Cowards with drones!!!I If peace is a reality in Iraq, then the only solution is dismantle that 4 acre Embassy, give them back their land, bring your boys back, concentrate on survival for the good ol USA

      1. Ddenney1 says

        Rule one do not fire unless fired on first
        Rule two do not have ANY civilian casualties
        Rule three do not make any other nation mad
        Rule four do not destroy property
        Rule five rebuild the losers country
        Rule six send money to the defeated enemy
        THAT’s the rules we have fought under since the end of WW2!!!!!

        1. BRUNO BROWN says

          And that’s why you lost every war!

        2. Mark Bigger says

          and now we also send the terrorists money straight out or to someone else and let it trickle down to them.

    2. Mark Bigger says

      I agree CK, yet the mentality and beliefs of those that belong to the most evil of all cults, will NEVER stop fighting. It is in their unholy book and it is a way of life for them. It is what keeps them going, instead of creating a better world for themselves, families and all mankind, they choose to attempt to kill all others in order to take control over the whole planet

  6. jeffbwillis says

    Obama is like a “drunk at a bar, running a tab; with someone elses money!” Namely ours!

    1. Jim Miller says

      AMEN

  7. FreeBird says

    Wars arent fought for draws as the democrats believe . When in war one has to utterly destroy the enemy. Embers lead to fires. The idea is to crush your enemies, see them flee as they are killed and

  8. FreeBird says

    hear the crying of their women. ISIS should be eliminated to the person

  9. 1uncle says

    NO more wars w/o every intention to win and end quickly.
    Why side with either faction of muslim wars, Sunni or Shiite? They are both crazy.

  10. ProfessorPBZ says

    OBAMA/BUSH, THE TWO WORST MISTAKES AMERICANS EVER MADE. THE NEXT WAR WILL BE ON OUR SOIL, AS THERE ARE NO ATTEMPTS TO CREATE JOBS, THERE DO SEEM TO BE ATTEMPTS TO PROVOKE AMERICAN CITIZENS, AND THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE THING IN MINDS OF THE ELECTED/APPOINTED PEOPLE BY THE FOLLOWERS OF D. ROCKEFELLER’S MENTAL ILLNESS. THEIR PLAN? REDUCING THE WORLD POPULATION BY 90% AND YOU ARE THE TARGET.

    THE IDEAS OF GIVING 12 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIEN PEOPLE CITIZENSHIP ELIMINATES THE FIVE MILLION PEOPLE, WITH MA’S PHD’S SOME OF WHICH HAVE BEEN WAITING 6 – 10 YEARS FOR THEIR VISA HEADING THEM TOWARD CITIZENSHIP, IS SWEPT ASIDE, THE PRESIDENT IS TRAINING LIBYAN PILOTS HERE IN AMERICAN FIGHTER BOMBERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DOUBTS THAT AMERICAN PILOTS ARE WILLING TO BOMB AMERICAN CITIZENS AND CITIES, BUT THAT IS COMING.

    NEITHER PARTY IS AMERICAN THEY ARE TOGETHER IN THE ABOVE GENOCIDE PLAN. THE PRICE OF OIL, WHICH IS IN OTHER NATIONS LIKE VENEZUELA ARE SELLING GAS AT THE PUMP FOR 12 CENTS A GALLON, AND BEFORE BUSH, IRAQI WAS SELLING GAS AT THE PUMP FOR FIVE CENTS A GALLON. THE MARKUP ON GAS/OIL, IS NOW 5,000 TIMES ITS COST. FIGURE THAT ONE OUT FOR YOURSELF.

    1. Mark Bigger says

      There are now more than 12 million illegals here, I would bet to say 20 to 30 million, and many are not here to be friends and play nicey nice with us

  11. The duck says

    Started with Truman firing McArthur in Korea. Politicians took charge of war, when it clearly belongs to the military to prosecute. If a war is to be fought then give the military a blank check and no controls on the battle field and they will get the job done. Only then military knows when the job is done.

    1. Mark Bigger says

      I am not secure in the feeling that we hired congress to go to DC and voice the opinions of its constituents. Though they have the power to declare war without checking with us…wars last years, why does such a decision need to be made quickly and not given time to ponder over and let we The People have a say. Yes sometimes we must strike back immediately, but that does not have to be announced as an act of war on our part.

  12. JohnnyAngel Advocacy Group says

    Until the acceptance that we are in a civilational war, the consensus will continually be that of half hearted engagement. We are involved with an enemy that will NOT stop until their idea of ruling the world is enacted. This is not taken seriously enough by ANYONE in the mainstream media, Fox included. If people of this country are not willing to fight this war as they did in WW1 & WW2, then their world as they know it will disappear. Declare war and fight it NOW. Then anyone trying to impede victory can be jailed,deported or shot.

  13. junkmailbin says

    want to end it. Totally wipe out Islam. Islam can care less about civilization, culture, boarders, education, GNP etc. It wants only subjugation to the ancient moon god foisted upon the world bay a sociopath pedophile.

  14. Billy Edens says

    send all the politions to the front lines for a year tour of duty !!! they will reconsider their misgivings and stupid actions !!!

    1. Mark Bigger says

      just make them stay there for a week, that should do it

  15. DMChoreographer says

    You can thank both houses in congress for that
    http://youtu.be/9MlYNuNNYOw

  16. RobertNorwood says

    The Russians had the Mujaheddin on the ropes in Afghanistan until we interfered, maybe we should copy their formula – hammer them mercilessly. At some point just going out to move one’s goats becomes an exercise in terror and survival. In the end local support for the terrorists evaporates because they are caught between a rock and a JDAM. And they know it won’t end until the Taliban are gone.
    The days of fighting nice are over – we just haven’t accepted it yet.
    Oh, wouldn’t the bleeding hearts go nuts over that!

  17. marilyn says

    IMAGINE,WAR OVER RELIGION,IS THAT A HOOT OR WHAT,BROTHER MUSLIMS NEED A WAKE UP CALL,WE ALL POOP AND DIE,IF YOU THINK MUHANNAD IS SO GREAT,WHY DIDN’T HE STRAP ON THE OLD DYNOMITE AND GET THE VIRGIN PACKAGE, WAKE UP BROTHER,LOVE IS BETTER AND YOUR WOMEN NEED FREEDOM,SO LIGHTEN UP,NO ONE CAN RULE THIS EARTH..GBA

  18. Lorraine E says

    The industrial/military complex creates huge profits for politicians, the manufacturers of military equipment and supplies, the banksters, and bureaucrats from all nations while soldiers are sacrificed to keep the money flowing to those who control the entire world. Wars are created by politicians who have much to gain from inciting hatred against another country and the innocent soldiers suffer the consequences.

    1. Jim Miller says

      What DC calls The Coalition of nations fighting in Iraq, one of those nations was tinny El Salvador but, soldiers from that country have NO BUSINESS fighting Iraq however, $300.00 is good money for them and a hell of a bargain for DC but, in others circles those soldiers for money are called MERCENARIES, talking about scumbags in DC misleading the American people.

  19. chylene6599 says

    This ‘war’ in Iraq is all a farce. The Iraqi soldiers were paid to lay down their arms and run away from ‘Isis’ (The favorite goddess of the Luciferian set, by the way) which are paid mercenaries of the Sauds, Britian, France and the US. The warbirds in congress have been clamoring ifor war so they can get plenty of payoffs from their lobbyist pals from the military contractors–whose deals have been signed and delivered for months. This is all a great, big, set-up. Yet another goatfuck by the masterrace. The terrorists are all in DC, the same ones that did 9/11 and blamed the muzzies fr it, and had the three-foot-thick “Patriot” act ready and waiting while the remains of the financiers who would never be able to tell the world their overlords dirty secrets were still turning to ash in the smoldering ruins. These are the same ones that allowed Davignon and other Bilderberg dipshits to decide that US steel, shipbuilding and nuclear industry had to go and 40 million skilled and well-paid workers were SOL. No nuclear power plants will ever be allowed anywhere to provide cheap and abundant power for the human race and cheat them out of their massive blood profits. Every American soldier in every part of the world should tell their superior officers to go screw themselves, and if they have anything to say about it, ask them if they know what “F-R-A-G” spells. These “Olympians” and the RIIA are nothing but a bunch of liars, thieves, murderers and master con artists. They’ve never earned an honest penny in their entire ancestry, and wouldn’t know how. They are worse than scum. And they call themselves the ‘elite’? Someone needs to read them what God has in store for them–since a thousand years before Christ was born. He knew they were Dicks before their Mom and Dads did,

  20. KatRob says

    As long as the U.S. is allied with israel the wars will never end. The meddling in the Middle East is all about defeating israel’s enemies, nothing else. If you listen closely you can hear the chants from synagogues around the world, “Onward Christian soldier,”

  21. crq says

    Ah, but didn’t Ike tell us in his goodbye speech “Beware the military industrial complex”? He knew better than most how much $ that group makes. Worldwide that is the most remunerative position there is. And we are funding it every flipping day w/our endless wars. I didn’t think that baby Bush was right in Mar 2003, & I don’t we are right now. We lose good people, do NOT take care of them, in our ceaseless wars in Mid East & elsewhere.
    Vietnam was uncalled for, Gulf of Tonkin incident was a sham to get us into a war…it’s time to put our $ where our mouths are. It’s time to stop the killing & dying…we are giving up our credibility worldwide with the last 2 presidents, the wars, etc.
    It’s time for us to be the US that people elsewhere long for, the US that does what we say we’ll do, “No more war” of the Vietnam era chants, etc. I want to see that America again, the America that’s big enough to help, & smart enough to NOT get embroiled in external conflicts…I remember that America….& miss it.

  22. Fishman says

    America cannot afford to continue fighting wars they cannot not win, 0 in 5, not a single win in the past 60 + years. Truth is, America is stoney broke and about to take a great fall from grace,

    Enter the BRICS, Briton, Russia, India, China and now, South Africa. Our monetary rule over the rest of the world is nearing its end, just like Ancient Rome. The truth is you have been asleep as your future unfolds itself.

    Near no one wants U.S. Bonds these days and why should they. They are near worthless, the BRICS know this all to well, after all, they have for so long made your life possible.

    The debacle of 2008 was merely a wakeup call and yet, few seemed to be aware of its importance.
    America has hidden its true debt in unlawful accounting, the true National Debit exceeds 58 Trillion Dollars. There is no Gold to back-up the Dollar.
    Have you ever wondered why your government has purchased over a Billion rounds of hollow point ammo, deployed to police departments 2717 MRAPs across America?

    The end is near, with each day the U.S. grows weaker, soon the price of gasoline shall soar, possibly double, food prices shall sky-rocket upwards, the U.S. dollar fails to hold its grip on the rest of the world.

    The U.N. is creeping into American life, go to: http://www.youtube/watch?v=rFpFXrmxYm4.

    Why are U.N. armored vehicles being delivered across America? Why did the Dept. of Homeland Insecurity purchase more than 1 Billion rounds of hollow point ammo? Why are they distributing 2717 MRAPS to police departments? Why does FEMA have more than 485 Camps across America?

    Why did they print the following documents, Army Regulation 210-35, Civilian Inmate Labor Program?

    Why did they advertise on Monster.com; Threats to America/Operation Endgame/Job_Title_Corrections_Officer_Internment-Resettlement_Specialist.htlm

    So why all of this built-up and for what? Prepare for the worst and pray for peace.

    Good Night and Good Luck America, your going to need it.

  23. JONDO says

    Thats only because our government are cowards and wont let our Military finish them.They know nothing about winning that’s why were losers.

  24. ProfessorPBZ says

    govtrumbull

    It has been the USA which has pushed the united nations into these wars with threats of withholding various needed commodities. One of the worst ideas ever composed is the TPP horror which is Obama’s idea, ,and before him it was the Bushites which seduced the corrupt Tony Blair. This sort of thing has been going on in America for decades. The UN has no power except as dictated by the US.

  25. dirtflyer says

    To begin with, we have a leader that does’nt know his front to his Azz end from anything else. The “Wife”-he does the Driveing.

  26. volksnut says

    they’ve been killing each other since day one over there – and continue to do so – they always will.We aren’t going to change that no matter what ridiculous claim gets made about bringing what amounts to a ” dark age ” culture into the 21st century.We don’t understand their culture they don’t understand ours.You deal with tyrants with strength and resolve.The league of Nations was a failure – The UNs forerunner – We need to stop funding them at least as much as we do..

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