Freedom in Peril: Christian Bakery Forced to Close

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If you don’t read Christian/conservative or LGBT activism websites, you’ve probably never heard of Aaron and Melissa Klein or their bakery: Sweet Cakes by Melissa.

Their saga has received little attention from the mainstream media – far less than the trials of Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk who became a national celebrity due to her refusal to issue marriage licenses to gay couples. But in many respects, the Klein’s tragedy gives us an even more startling glimpse at the darkness quickly enveloping this country.

In 2013, Rachel Bowman-Cryer visited the Klein’s Oregon bakery for a tasting. When she revealed to the Kleins that she was planning a lesbian wedding with her partner, Laurel Bowman-Cryer, the owners kindly told her that they could not be of service.

They didn’t yell at her. They didn’t pick her up and throw her out on the sidewalk. They didn’t say she was unwelcome in their bakery or that she could not be a customer. They didn’t tell her she was going to hell for her sinful lifestyle. None of that. They simply exercised their First Amendment rights – free expression and freedom of religion.

The Bowman-Cryers filed a complaint with the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries, claiming discrimination.

The Kleins explained to the organization that they did not “discriminate” against the couple. In fact, they said, they had previously served them as customers and had a history of gladly accepting gay patrons. Their only objection was to being active participants in a ceremony they believed to be wrong.

The Oregon Labor Commissioner, Brad Avakian, said there was “no distinction” between the two positions and ordered the Kleins to pay the lesbian couple $135,000 to compensate for their emotional distress. The Kleins appealed, noting that Avakian had skin in the game, as proven by public comments he made prior to reviewing the case.

In 2013, Avakian told The Oregonian that the Kleins were in the wrong. “Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, but that doesn’t mean that folks have the right to discriminate,” he said.

In an interview with The Blaze website, Aaron Klein said his story should serve as a wake-up call to America’s Christians.

“For years, we’ve heard same-sex marriage will not affect anybody,” he said. “I’m here firsthand to tell everyone in America that it has already impacted people. Christians, get ready to take a stand. Get ready for civil disobedience.”

Unfortunately, due to a combination of social and financial pressures, the Kleins announced on Facebook this week that they were closing up shop for good:

We have closed Sweet Cakes. We appreciate everyone’s continued prayer and support!

Liberals quickly began celebrating in the comment section, offering pithy messages of hate:

  • “about time your stupid religious cake club closed”
  • “No big loss. I don’t believe in god, but it appears that you have been judged for judging thy neighbor.”
  • “thank you, disgusting excuse for human beings!”

According to Todd Starnes at Foxnews.com, the Kleins intend to keep fighting the judgement.

“We are continuing our appeal and look forward to achieving justice for them and all people of faith who may find themselves in similar circumstances in the future,” a lawyer for the family told Starnes.

Let’s pray they are successful because this isn’t about “Christians vs. Gays.” This is about the actual constitutional rights of free Americans vs. the imaginary “rights” of same-sex marriage ceremonies. Free speech doesn’t just mean being able to say whatever you want to say; it means you cannot be compelled to say something you do not want to say. That freedom has been trampled in Oregon. As long as this ruling is allowed to stand, our basic fundamental rights are in grave jeopardy.

1,633 Comments
  1. jgfsmf says

    This is where I have a problem with gay people. Someone doesn’t want to bake your gay cake, then go to someone else who does. Don’t go suing people for this kind of crap. Otherwise, I don’t really have a problem with them.

    1. Murphy Louviere says

      Fruits aren’t right in the head!! If you look into their eyes, you can tell most of them are off!!

      1. Jimmy Quick says

        I said it before and I’ll say it again.

        Bake the cake and drop it on the floor right in front of them.

        Then tell them “Ops, I’m sorry”, I don’t have the time to bake you another. Here is your money and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

        The Lord tells us to be wise like serpents. Our government belongs to Satan.

        Their is no longer any reasonable expectation of justice in the USA.

        1. Jimmy King says

          Maybe you simply don’t understand justice

          1. paulrph1 says

            Justice only good when it sides with you. A coin has two sides.

          2. Phoebe Isley says

            Amen paulrph1!!!!!!!!!!!! Funny how so many people are such hypocrites. How hateful does one have to be as to sue and destroy another person? I was never once taught that I have to agree on other people’s choices in life! It absolutely means I don’t hate them but I most definitely don’t have to agree with them. Get over yourselves you selfish gay community. I don’t ask for you to do anything you feel uncomfortable with so stop being so self centered. This world is NOT all about you. Geesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          3. Jimmy King says

            Hypocrites are people who say they follow jesus but discriminate against others based on their life style. Jesus never taught hate. Nowhere in the bible does it tell you to hate. Jesus spent his time with prostitutes and thieves. Jesus would never turn someone away. But you bigots wrap your hate around the bible, not that’s hypocrisy

          4. Phoebe Isley says

            Where did anyone say hate was involved? Do you feel that the denying of God’s Will is acceptable in your faith? You need to read the bible a bit more before throwing the word hypocrite around. To stand on ones faith doesn’t promote hate. Would you feed a drug addict more drugs because you love them? Did Jesus promote their sin? NOPE he stood strong on God’s Will to be done. He said “Go and Sin no More” not “hey let’s just hang out and who cares about God’s Will”. He didn’t pacify them and promote their sin Jesus stood strong on the Word. So if you want to say it isn’t Christian like or Jesus wasn’t like that you are aren’t reading the same bible as me.

          5. IJR says

            Where in the bible does it say to not serve queers?
            The bible is not a consideration when it comes to business and the Constitution.
            The Constituion says you have to serve every one.

          6. Mathew Molk says

            Who cares what the bible says? – They just didn’t want to cater the wedding. They don’t have to tell you the reason. Don’t you get it?

          7. IJR says

            They refused to cater a gay weding, they are caterers.
            I am sorry this is so hard for you to understand.

          8. IJR says

            How hateful does one have to be to refuse service and money to a paying customer?
            It is unconstitutional to refuse people service. Baking a cake for lesbians does not make a person evil or less of a christian. Refusing money from psying customers is one way to go out of business.

          9. Phoebe Isley says

            Ever hear the saying “no shirt no shoes no service”. Is that offensive? If someone refuses service to me due to my beliefs who cares? Do you see a problem with Kosher Deli’s or Muslims not serving pork? I am not going to go into their business and make them serve me what they don’t serve. It’s respect for them. You all want to make this about hate and it doesn’t jive. Never were these people hateful…the gay couple were vengeful plain and simple.

          10. IJR says

            Not serving pork is not the same as refusing to serve actual people. You are not good at analogies.

            Would it make you less of a christian to make a cake for queers?
            Where in the bible does it say to not serve queers if you own a bakery?

          11. Phoebe Isley says

            What is it that you are not understanding? This isn’t about serving them a cake its about not engaging in a ceremony that is against their faith nothing more nothing less. These people have served this gay couple plenty of times sir. The bible is quite clear time and time again both Old and New Testament on how God feels about homosexuality, adultery, etc. It also is very clear on marriage being between a man and a woman that God blesses. This is also in both the Old and New Testament. Have you read the bible? It also states very clearly to stand strong on the Word not stand with the sin. The Jews and the Muslims don’t serve certain items because its against their faith not because its food. And by the way the bible states very clearly about not engaging or promoting of sin if you don’t know this. It’s about being true to the word not denying to pacify ones ego. Jesus never ever promoted one’s sin not one time. He was always true to the Word and stood strong on letting those who sin know their sin is not His Will or His Father’s. Come on this all in the bible or do people actually skip those parts because it doesn’t suit their needs.

          12. IJR says

            I understand paragraphs.

            Have you read the bible?
            How is the baker “engaging in a ceremony”?

            They would just be baking a cake. That is not a ceremony.
            Do yo beleive in every thing in the Old Testament, or just the parts that suit your needs (your words).
            How is baking a cake for queers engaging in sin?

            If you read the bible you would know that all people are sinners. If you bake a cake for anyone your are engaging in sin according to your “logic.”

            Religion has nothing to do with business. If you do not want to serve queers, do not open a business.

          13. Marilyn Geer says

            You dont just bake a cake and they come and walk out with it, The baker takes the cake to the place designated and sets it up and decorates it. Usually writing the names on it etc. It isnt just about mixing up a batter and popping it in the oven and thats it. you do not argue against what a person believes, There is also a place in the bible that Jesus said ” get behind me satin.” because satin was trying to tell Jesus to do things that Jesus was against. get it?

          14. IJR says

            What “place designated”?
            Seems to me a bakery like that would make the cake onsite.

            What does satin have to do with this?

            I can and do argue against what a person believes every day.

            I am not sure what you are trying to say. It is illegal to refuse service to some one based on their sexual orientation.

          15. George Durdin says

            IJR knows NOTHING about the Bible and word of God and is filled with hate and self loathing because he lacks the personal strength to resist unnatural, lust filled sex. IJR hates God because God has called him out on his selfish lust and sinful behavior. He is irritated that the laws of man can not change morality for him and his perverted friends. God has promised his followers that those like IJR will be dealt with……we can take assurance in that.

          16. Mathew Molk says

            Yea,,,,How?

          17. IJR says

            I’ll try to explain using small words.

            If I go into a fried chicken place and demand pork, they do not have to serve me pork.

            If I go into a fried chicken place and they say, “We do not serve big goofy looking white guys,” then there is a problem.

            See how that is different?

          18. George Durdin says

            The militant gays such as IJR are just trying to ease their conscience of the disgusting,shameful and sinful lives that they live and their self loathing because they are too weak to turn away from immoral lust.

          19. b glad says

            Your quick to ask for chapter and verse from the Bible. How about telling us Article and section of the Constitution that states your point?

          20. IJR says

            *You’re

            The equal protection clause.

          21. Mathew Molk says

            Equal protection has nothing to do with forcing someone to do soothing they do not want to do.

          22. IJR says

            Sigh, how many times do I have to explain this?
            If you open a business and have a business license you agree tomfollow the rules and laws that govern businesses.

            One of the rules is that you can not refuse service to people based on their sexual orientation.

            Force someone to do something they do not want to do?
            Are you serious? They are caterers. They do not want to cater?
            I do not think you understand how busines works.

          23. b glad says

            Without adding something to it that it does not say!… It says nothing about sexual orientation, choosing your own sex, and most definitely nothing about same sex marriage. The Constitution does, however, speak directly to the free exercise of religion.

          24. IJR says

            Exercising your religion does not allow you to take away rights of others. When you,open a business you get a business license. To get that you must agree to abide by the rules, regulations and laws in place. One of those rules is that you can not refuse service to people based on their sexual orientation. The bakers knew this.

            There are many ways the bakers could have avoided this. They could have realized they are being hired to be servants, not participants. Do you think that all the security guards in front of Hillary agree with her? Do you think they feel like they are participating in her crimes, lies and general criminality? No way. Do you think God and Jesus would be mad at security guards for doingmtheir job? No way. Same thing for the bakers.

            The bakers could have also donated the money taken from the queers to,their church or some anti-queer organization. Wouldn’t that help?

            Did you read the article or just the headline?
            The bakers have served the queers in the past.

          25. pineapple says

            “It is unconstitutional to refuse people service.”

            Speaking of unconstitutional, how many of Obama’s executive orders have been unconstitutional?

            When George Stephanopolis interviewed Barack Obama about Obamacare, Obama INSISTED that the penalty for not buying insurance would be a FINE and NOT a TAX.
            He must have realized that all tax bills MUST originate in the House of Representatives and not the Senate, according to the Constitution.
            Obamacare originated in the Senate, and was the brain child of Harry Reid. It was originally called the Senate Health Care Bill. Reid attached this bill to another bill that came to the Senate from the House concerning the military, in order to claim that the health care bill originated in the house.
            The Supreme Court decreed that the penalty for not buying insurance was a TAX. THEREFORE IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT JUSTICE ROBERTS SAID.
            If the penalty were decreed to be a fine, it would STILL be unconstitutional, because it would have violated the commerce clause of the Constitution by forcing people to buy something they did not want.
            In either case, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

          26. IJR says

            How many times a day do you think about Ocrumba?
            Take two weeks off then quit.

          27. pineapple says

            I presume from your post that you agree with what I said in my post?

          28. IJR says

            I did not read your idiotic and irrelevant post.

          29. ineedtruth says

            Ever see a sign on the door of a business that says “No shoes, no shirt, no service”? Show me the article in the Constitution that says a business can not refuse a person service.

          30. IJR says

            I see that you are confused about clothing and sexual orientation, race, religion etc.

            Shirts and shoes must be worn in most businesses for safety and hygienic reasons. Also because of fat, hairy guys, yuck.

            If a store had a sign that said, “No gays or Muslims,” that would be illegal.
            It would probably,be a good store, but it would be illegal do deny service based on those things.

            Thanks!

          31. ineedtruth says

            So, you would discriminate against fat, hairy guys? Wouldn’t that give them the right to sue you? What if those fat hairy guys turned out to be gay? Would that mean that you would have to remove the sign so you didn’t offend them?

          32. IJR says

            If I was legally allowed too, I must confess I would.
            I am a fatist, I admit it.

            In my business if I refused to serve fat people, I would lose 2/3 of my business.
            While fat is not a protected class, yet, a fatty could definitely sue me if I refused them service due to their fatness.

            Although, they could eat less, move more and lose a bunch of weight and then be healthy!

            If I refused to serve gays in my business, I would lose less than 10% of my business, so that would make more sense economically. If I did that, I would probably get sued big time. Those queers do not play when it comes to their basic human rights.

            I have an idea!
            I should open a dance supply store. There are not fat dancers. Certainly there are no fat hairy dancers.

            Wait, I did not think that through. There are tons of gays that are dancers.
            Back to the drawing board.

          33. joe says

            Ah ha is that you AKlady I see the dyslexia starting to show through, is this another one of your “IDENTITIES” your drivel was beginning to look familiar

          34. IJR says

            I only have one account Big Guy.
            Did you have some one read the article to you yet?

          35. Jimmy King says

            Clearly you don’t understand

          36. paulrph1 says

            So genius tell me how a coin does not have two sides.

          37. curmudgeon VN Veteran says

            Other than being able to spell the word I would challenge you that you have no idea of the concept either. You fruit cakes are all the same perverted low life scumbags trying to get some kind of undeserved respect for your nasty lifestyles.

          38. njrealguy says

            Moron

          39. IJR says

            You seem really mad. People that hate queers the most tend to be queer.

          40. curmudgeon VN Veteran says

            Based on your avatar I suspect you are no stranger to puffing on peters.

          41. IJR says

            That is William F. Buckley jr.
            Are you saying he is gay?

            Thise that hate the queers the most tend to be one.
            How much do you hate queers?

          42. IJR says

            Maybe you do not understand dignity and class.

          43. Jimmy King says

            Yeah, dignity and class bobisafatdisgustingurinecollector

            That’s rich

          44. IJR says

            Nice another stalker that is out of ideas.

            If you open a business, you can not pick whom to serve, period.
            Does it make you less of a christian to bake a cake for queers?
            Would Jesus smote you for baking a cake for queers?
            Where in the bible does it say to not serve queers?

          45. pineapple says

            “If you open a business, you can not pick whom to serve, period.”

            No shoes, no shirt, no service!

          46. IJR says

            Are you really this dumb?
            I will explain it to you using small words and easy to understand concepts.
            A business can not refuse service to a person based on theirmsexual oreintation.
            Don’t like it? Get rid of the Constitution.

            You won’t be able to, me an other patriots are heavily armed and love this country.

          47. pineapple says

            My post” No shoes, no shirt, no service!” had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with sexual orientation.

            “Are you really this dumb?”

            Grow a brain. the one you have would rattle in a pea pod.

          48. IJR says

            Exactly, so it is allowed. You are tremendously stupid.

          49. Jimmy King says

            Maybe you don’t understand that I was replying to someone else and making the same arguments that you are, Dumb ass

          50. IJR says

            Your name is almost identical to his. Try decaf.

          51. Jimmy King says

            Decaf works, try pulling your head out of your ass

          52. IJR says

            You seem very angry. Have some cake.

          53. Jimmy Quick says

            Justice is a word that is defined in webster dictionary as;

            The quality of being just; conformity to the principles of righteousness and rectitude in all things; strict performance of moral obligations; practical conformity to human or divine law; integrity in the dealings of men with each other; rectitude; equity; uprightness.

            Justice and judgment are the haditation of thy throne. (reference to God)

            In a world that has turned away from God, there is no justice.

            So, I understand very well. Perhaps you need to have your buddies rewrite the dictionary and remove God from everything so that your injustice will not be questioned.

          54. Jimmy King says

            a : the quality of being just, impartial, or fair
            b (1) : the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action (2) : conformity to this principle or ideal : righteousness
            c : the quality of conforming to law

            The quality of conforming to the law and the LAW in this country is that you can not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation

          55. Jimmy Quick says

            Again, you have lost track of the discussion. Let me try to bring you back if possible.

            The store “owner” (a person who worked harder than you can ever imagine to build a business), the store owner was not comfortable with contributing to this sinful act. i.e. [WEDDING CAKE] misuse of the word because wedding is of God and God has committed homosexuals to Hell and the Lake of Fire for this sin. Christ also has described homosexuality as “a sin unto death”. This means that once you have engaged in this activity, you can never be forgiven.

            Now, to the meat of the subject. The basic rights guaranteed to ALL citizens of the USA.

            Religious freedom has been recognized universally as an acceptable reason for a person to abstain from activities that are in direct contrast with their deeply held religious beliefs.

            Recently, only the religious beliefs of non-christians are being respected. The reason for that is because just like in ancient Rome when Christians were being fed to lions for entertainment, the evil government of that day was not able to break the people who belong to Christ and so they made sport of mocking God with the murder of innocent people.

            The same thing is being done in this case, but it has to be discussed so that the true motivations can not be discerned by the heathens.

            But be patient, in good time my pretty, the lions are hungry.

          56. Jimmy King says

            I believe in science and I follow the law. I don’t deal in make believe and magic men Your lions don’t scare me, only your ignorance does

          57. Jimmy Quick says

            Be scared fool. Be very scared.

          58. Jimmy King says

            I know, I know, the boogieman

          59. Mathew Molk says

            Don’t give the asshole and more ideas.

          60. Jimmy Quick says

            It’s coming no matter what. Even if Trump is elected, what does it by us? 4 / 8 years at best.

            Do you honestly think he will survive the media onslaught that will attempt from day one to destroy his administration? Maybe he will. Who knows, but what follows?

        2. Michael Skok says

          That’s a waste of time and ingredients.
          I would suggest baking the cake in a normal, ordinary way. No extra messages unless they want to pay big bucks.

          1. Jimmy Quick says

            Willfully supporting and actively participating in sin makes you just as guilty as the person who committed the sin.

          2. IJR says

            If you really beleive that garbage, then do not open a business. Every person is a sinner. If you sell them anything you are participating in their sin.

            That is going by your “logic”

          3. Mathew Molk says

            Look fool, You ever see anybody get thrown out of a beer joint and told neveer to come back? – You ever see a contractor say “I do not work in that neighborhood? Have you ever heard of a band refusing to play at a given venue? No colage basketball in North Carolina?

            Your arguments won’t hold solid concrete let alone water.

          4. IJR says

            It is time for another lesson.

            A person can be thrown out of any establishment, a bar, a bakery, a mall, any business, for being drunk, or acting inappropriately. They can be asked to never come back to the business. You can “tresspass” them. I have done it before. It is basically like a restraining order. If the person returns to the premise he/she can be subject to arrest. Of course bars have slightly different rules, but for the most part they are the same.

            What you can not do is refuse service, or order a person to leave based on their sexual orientation, color, creed, religion etc.

            I have never heard of a contractor refusing work. Refusing to work in a neighborhood is a grey area. You can probably refuse to work in an area that you deem to far away from your shop. Someone could sue for that, but it would be difficult to win.

            There is “college” basketball in North Carolina, they are pretty good. If youmare refering to the NCAA refusing to play basketball in a venue, that is not discrimination.
            Bands can absolutely refuse to play venues. Venues are not people, they are not protected.

            None of the examples you have anything to do with race, religion, creed, color, sexual orientation etc. Good try though! (e-tustles matt’s hair, wipes hand on pants)

            What else you got?

          5. HardingDies says

            Well, “No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service” is not based on any laws or health codes yet that is enforceable; Muslims can refuse to let non-Muslims enter a Muslim establishment without any fear of legal action; there are other examples, but this couple decided to get money out of the bakery rather than go elsewhere. Now my other question is this, did this couple get married? Did they have a cake? Who made it? And if they had a cake, why couldn’t they go to this bakery w/o making a major case out of this situation?

          6. IJR says

            You are wrong. Shirts are required in restaraunts and places with food for obvious reasons. Shoes are required for safety reasons, look it up.
            What does that have to do with Constitutional rights?

            A business in America, owned by a Muslim or any one else can not legally refuse to serve a non-Muslim, you are making up stories.

            I am sorry this is so hard for you to understand, the Constitution protects all of our rights. Not just yours.

            It guarantees you can practice religion but it does not allow you to discriminate based on your religion.

          7. George Durdin says

            Just try ordering a wedding cake for a Christian from a Muslim owned bakery fool. It HAS been done and the Muslim refused the patron the service. You won’t see that in the liberal progressive media…….

          8. IJR says

            You are a rude person. I think you need counseling.
            The great thing about the Constitution is it protects all Americans. It protects Christians, Muslims, and even rude people like you.

            A business can not refuse service to a person based on their race, religion, sexual,orientation etc.

            Why do you think that the Constitution does not apply to all Americans?

          9. George Durdin says

            IJR…you have been called out for what you are and yet you persist in pushing your rude militant gay agenda that is not going to change the Godly moral laws of our country and the beliefs and faith of the majority(70%+) of the American people. So go peddle your secular humanist BS somewhere else……there are plenty of gay site you can troll.

          10. tedthetruther says

            At least queers can not reproduce

          11. IJR says

            Unfortunately they can. There are gay sperm banks being set up in every town that has gays. They are going to save their gay sperm and force it on white women.

          12. irish1919 says

            It allows me to not service anyone whom I do not want to service . It definitely guarantees I do not have to service anyone whose lifestyle is directly opposite of my religious beliefs. That’s what the first amendment entails and it is progressive seculists like you that want to interpret that amendment in any way other than what it protects me from. Mainly You and people like you. Show me where the constitution says I’m wrong , Mr smart guy.

          13. IJR says

            You are not smart. If you own a busines you can not refuse to serve queers. If you do your are subject to lawsuits, fines and even jail if you disobey.

            The Constitution protects you too. Isn’t it great!
            The thing is, I do not jave to prove anything to you Cleetus. It is very clear.

            Did you see how the lawsuit was successful? That is because the bakers broke the law.
            Do people have to feed you?

          14. irish1919 says

            Wrong. They broke no law that’s why they appealed and will win. Let’s not forget they lived in Oregon another leftist state that worships homosexuals and despises heterosexuals and especially Christians . I’ve said before it’s the left that is making law. Laws that are focused on persecuting Christians . Laws that are perverted and in no way are in line with the original intent of freedom of religion. Gods law always took precedent over mans law when this amendment was written. You need to read on the founders original intent before you say anyone broke the law . Mans law only applies to some, but Gods law applies to all. The first amendment on religious freedom was between God and man and not government and man. I think Thomas Jefferson made that clear in 1776 and after meeting with Baptists in 1802 he reiterated it. Thomas Jefferson wasn’t a Christian by any standing. More of an agnostic. He knew the importance of God to the people. Original intent freedom of religion. Joseph A. Lavalette. You said you are about facts.

          15. IJR says

            What law firm do you scrub toilets in?
            Does your head hurt from all this? I am trying to use small words for you.

          16. joe says

            does it hurt to be so stupid?

          17. IJR says

            Says the moron that did not read the article he is crying about.

          18. irish1919 says

            No he isn’t . You are not aware that Muslims are untouchable in this society . I always here the left say Islam is a peaceful religion and let’s not be islamaphobic but I never hear the left say Christians should be treated in the same way. How bout we call the left Christiaphobics. They definitely choose Allah over Jesus. It’s why we as a country that’s falling from Grace.

          19. IJR says

            lol
            You are a tremendous moron.
            The Constitution applies to all Americans.

            You are falling from grace, you dirty Constitution hating child.

          20. IJR says

            Google “refusal of service laws”

            About 90% of the people posting here should look at that.

          21. George Durdin says

            You should go find another place to troll……..you just want to stir up crap.

          22. IJR says

            You are a very rude. What is it about the Constitution that you hate the most?
            It protects you and you hate it, weird.

          23. irish1919 says

            Man’s laws not Gods. God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. So look ,these people are not only protected by the Constitution but most importantly they are right with God. As more and more people turn away from God, He will turn away from this country. No one really cares how smart you think you are, you will never be right on this issue in Gods eye. So don’t lay that crap on everyone about how Jesus would act with these store owners. How would Jesus act with these queers trying to decimate these practicing Christians? Personally I would much rather be in the Christians shoes. Show me in the constitution where anyone does not have the right to refuse service to anyone they choose not to service rather for their first amendment rights or not? Store owners serve the public for monetary reasons but if they choose not to, then it is well within their rights. And local and state law do not supercede our constitution. This act is clearly unconstitutional and those bringing the suit should be made to pay any court costs and also the State of Oregon should be rightfully sued.

          24. IJR says

            It is funny that so many people think that their is an actual law that allows a business to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

            The law, the courts and the Constitution disagree with you.
            Deal with it.
            Who cares if the queers are going to be held down by Jesus and smoted by God later? That is their problem.

          25. gerald Hughes says

            WE don’t have tp stay and deal with your liberal dem bloodsuckers. you scum are about to find that out, the hard way

          26. IJR says

            That is wonderful. I am not liberal, much less a dem bloodsucker.

            I am not sure whynyou are mad at me, I have just been explaining the law. You should be mad at the Constitution, that is what guarantees gays and every one else rights.

          27. gerald Hughes says

            Let us know what you think, when the religions that founded and funded 40% of the hospitals in the USA are done with you and close the ER;s in their hospitals and deny service to anyone not of their faith.
            tell that to the constitution.

          28. IJR says

            You are a confused and rude little guy.
            I am not anti-religion. It is great that religions took care of a lot of hospitals! I am in favor of hospitals. I had surgery twice that saved my life and my kids were born in hospitals. Big fan of hospitals.

            My kids were born in a hospital that is affiliated with a branch of Christianity that I am not affiliated with. They said it was fine and that they would be happy to treat anyone, of any faith.

            I said, “Even dirty atheists?”
            And they said yes, that they would treat anyone, even satanists and dirty atheists.
            They are a part of some weird sect of Christianity that is kind and helps all people, even queers.

          29. gerald Hughes says

            Yes a-hole, I am rude, that is because I despise life forms, like you.
            I am not at all, confused.
            Life forms like you consider themselves 10ft tall and bullet proof.
            I have little in the way of religion.
            I am sick of compost heaps like you, that see yourself as important enough that. everyone else must treasure you.
            Personally, I hope that when the religious people finally get tired of you fing garbage, and quit servicing you,. that millions of you die in the streets from lack of medical care.

          30. IJR says

            You are so fun!
            Why would I die in the streets? I have plenty of money.

            I get it, you are mad that God can not stop the dirty queers from having the same rights you and I do. But God can smote the queers later, right? Does that help Big Guy?

          31. gerald Hughes says

            I don’t care what the queers do.
            We don’t have a quuer problem.
            We don’t have bent gender problem.
            We don’t have an immigration problem
            We do have a liberal dem bloodsucker problem.
            I look for to the time when you fing garbage finally exhaust the patience of the religious folks.
            Watching them shur the ER’s in the 40% of hospitals that they founded and fund, and deny service to anyone not of their faith, close all of their free clinics and food banks, then deny service to scum like you., in the colleges and universities they founded and fund.
            Yes indeed lots of gnashing of teeth and beating of breast ,

            maybe after 3 or 4 million of you ticks dies in the streets from lack of medical ccare, they will come back and ask if you have learned any manners..

          32. IJR says

            You are really mad. Why are you not using actual swear words? Will they take your computer privileges at the adult care center?

            It is cute you think that a hospital would deny me, a wealthy, white male service. I would love to know what hospital would do that if violation of the Constitution and christian principles. It is very un-christian to refuse medical treatment. That is funny that you keep saying that, like it is an actual thing, like it is a danger. Oh so scary.

            The ellipsis is made up of three dots and is not a replacement for thought.

            It is also funny that you lump me in with them. Was baptized in a wonderful midwestern protestant church and spent my youth fighting dumb papists.
            Try to calm down, you are going to have a heart attack.

            Have a great day.

          33. gerald Hughes says

            heart attack?
            No, I enjoy my life, at this moment I am engaged in contacting the people in charge of the various religions, trying to engage them in a concerted effort to do what I am talking about.
            Unchristian hilarious, you scum want them to take good care of you, because that they are Christians.
            The people that you say are treating the fags in an unchristian manner,

            You want them to continue to run free clinics and food banks because that would be the christian thing to do.

            Violation of the constitution, please point out to me where that violation is, scum bag.
            They are not refusing because you are they will be refusing you because you are not of their faith.
            Nothing illegal or unconstitutional about it, once they close the ER’s cretin.
            You ersatz life forms really are ignorant, aren’t you?
            You really, think that all you have to do is to continue to denigrate and browbeat the groups and they will fall in line.
            Dec 2014, a poll showed that 11.9 % of the people thought that their state should secede from the union.
            Same poll Dec 2015, showed that 23.9% of the people thought that their state should secede from the union.
            You scum have about 2 years, then you are on youer own.
            We will go back to the old dull “running real country” again, kick back and applaud as you scum starve to death in the streets.

          34. IJR says

            Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.

          35. gerald Hughes says

            Lol, sorry liberal dem bloodsucker, i don’t care what happens to you or your pervert familiars.
            I am working on separating ourselves from you scum and watching you die in the streets from starvation or lack of medical care,. either would be fine.

          36. IJR says

            I will seek the lost, and I will bring back the strayed, and I will bind up the injured, and I will strengthen the weak, and the fat and the strong I will destroy. I will feed them in justice.

          37. gerald Hughes says

            You have nothing, no merit, no worth, no value, no morals, no honor, no integrity.
            Kill yourself liberal dem bloodsucking parasitical scum bag.

          38. IJR says

            You first, neocon coward.

          39. gerald Hughes says

            You coming here, chicken crap?
            or just run your mouth from behind your keyboard p-ant?

          40. IJR says

            Of course. Where is your mom’s trailer parked?

          41. gerald Hughes says

            Okay, can’t find your testicles ah chicken crap, eh?
            Did you ask your boyfriend,. maybe he has them.

          42. IJR says

            I have asked for your address more than once. How can I go to your cardboard box in an alley if I do not know where it is?

          43. gerald Hughes says

            And every time you asked cretin, I said okay, all you have to do is say, when I have your address I’ll be there.
            After 157 repetitions of that, you still haven’t said it..
            Can’t find your testicles., chicken crap?

          44. IJR says

            You said you would give me your address, coward.

          45. gerald Hughes says

            Yep right after you tell me that you are coming here as soon as as I give it to you.
            How about it, chicken crap find your testicles yet?
            Maybe your boyfriend is still using them, did you ask him ?

          46. IJR says

            Give me your address so I can come over.

          47. gerald Hughes says

            6931 Garden Prare Rd, Paris Tn.
            Leave Paris on Hwy US641 north, go 2.4 miles N, look to the left modest 4 bd hone on 1 sq mile, 5 flags flying in front of it.Now come show me what you got chicken crap

          48. IJR says

            Wait for the knock on the door, or the footsteps behind you when you leave your job digging ditches.

          49. gerald Hughes says

            Uh huh, you will have to hire a straight conservative they are the only ones left with testicles, faggo

          50. IJR says

            you are a coward

          51. gerald Hughes says

            Still no testicles eh, chicken crap?

          52. IJR says

            lol, you loser. That address does not exist. You have given out the same address to a few people. You realize that there is such a thing a google, right?

          53. gerald Hughes says

            Okay, got it, still can’t find your testicles, eh, chicken crap.
            odd, over the years I have had a couple of hundred of my friends come to that address, so far not a one of you chicken crap LIBERAL DEM BLOODSUCKING PARASISTES CAN FIND IT.
            C’mon scrub, kill yourself, you have no reason to live

          54. IJR says

            Your address does not exist coward.

          55. gerald Hughes says

            Still no testicles eh faggo, ask your boyfriend maybe he will let you use his for a couple of days.
            Come on down, promise I won’t even call the cops.
            Well, except po come get your body.

          56. IJR says

            coward

          57. gerald Hughes says

            Eunuch

          58. IJR says

            There is not a Garden Prairie Road in Paris TN, lol.

          59. gerald Hughes says

            Got it chicken crap, still haven’t found your testicles, did you check with your boyfriend maybe he forgot to give them back.

          60. IJR says

            You are a lying coward and not a man.

          61. gerald Hughes says

            Did you look under the sofa chicken crap?
            Sometimes when you faggos glue them on they fall off.

          62. irish1919 says

            You have nothing. You still haven’t shown where it is unconstitutional to refuse service to anyone whom your religious beliefs do not allow. You can’t find it. You won’t find it. Local and state laws do not reflect the constitution in anyway. That’s the problem with the country. The more left wing elitist we put in control the less freedoms we have. The left has taken away or are in the process of taking away all the freedoms which made this country great. They have take over health care, education and now want to take our freedoms of religious thought . Only thing left is guns and there trying to go through the United Nations to get them. The Democratic Party has been hijacked by the far left and I am beginning to think there are no conservative democrats left . Why would they vote for any democrat if they believed in a free america. Guess you are one of those who don’t like the 1st amendment

          63. IJR says

            Why are you asking me to teach you about easily verified facts?
            Did you skip high school civics?
            Have you not been following along with current events?
            The equal protection clause means that goofy looking white guys like us enjoy the same rights as queers.

            That means that a business can not refuse to service you because you are a goofy looking white guy. Same deal for the God forsaken queers.

            It is not hard to understand, yet I keep repeating myself.

            This is not a first amendment issue.

            I am not sure why you are whining about liberals. I don’t vote for them.
            If you want to enjoy freedom, you have to allow other Americans to do so to.

            I have plenty of guns and no one is taking them away. Paranoid people like you have driven the price of ammo through the roof. Fortunately my Smith and Wesson stock gains of late will keep me in ammo for centuries.

            Why not just rest assured that God will smote those queers real good when they are dead?

          64. irish1919 says

            Not my logic. My logic says that anyone who goes against their religious beliefs do look at is as sin. And yes we are all sinners. Because their concious takes precedent over a sale doesn’t make them criminals. They chose God over a sale. They should be protected by the first amendment. And the 10% you call trash is actually your saving grace. The other 90% is your downfall . Lol

          65. IJR says

            What is it in the bible that says you can not serve gays?
            It does vaguely say that if one promotes sin, then that person sins.
            But if you can not make sales to thise that sin, you can not make a sale to anyone because we are all sinners, especially you.

            I was kidding, the other 90% is trash too. All of my kin were kicked out of respectable European countries and ended up here. In the greatest nation of all.

            Sometimes I think about the Constitution and just smile. It is such a great document.
            I have guns. I have rights.

            Unfortunately for you, every body gets those rights, not just goofy white guys like us.

          66. irish1919 says

            You need to read about the original intent of freedom of religion. Since it was written liberal judges have put their own interpretation over and over until we are left with the Supreme Court being the sole owner of the constitution which was never the intent when it was written. Did you know the constitution was to prevent an all controlling state from becoming all powerful. Did you know original intent was not for the Suoreme court to have final say on what is or would be constitutional. The congress was to make laws, the president execute them snd the Supreme Court enforce them. In fact the states had the right to write their own constitution . The Suoreme court has no power over the state by original intent. Shows how far we have gone to insure that freedom of religious practice and thought is now controlled by the state. Like I said liberals interpreting on their own with no attention to original intent. Find Original intent: Freedom of Religion by Jiseph A. Lavaletta. See how liberals have taken religious rights between man and their God away from the American people. I would recommend everyone read it so you can see how the constitution was never written with the idea that the Supreme Court would have final say on what is or is not constitutional . This idea of separation of church and state cannot be found In the constitution. It doesn’t exist . It is an invention by liberal justices to justify their taking prayer out of the schools and if you look it up you will see where the original intent of the religious freedom peace has been abandoned by a far over reaching Supreme Court. This is why today we are on the verge of anarchy. The intention of the Supreme Court is convincing the American people that only they can weigh in on the constitutionality or unconstitutionality. It is a big lie. Please read for yourself. Supreme courts only function is to enforce the laws legislated and executed, nothing more. The states were to have more power than the federal government .

          67. IJR says

            I am not going to read that giant mess.
            Did you learn about paragraphs ever?

            Dirty queers have the same rights as you and me, deal with it.

          68. gerald Hughes says

            How about we just separate ourselves from you queers and forgt about you.

          69. IJR says

            Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.

          70. gerald Hughes says

            Wait for my tunic ;liberal dem bloodsucking parasitical scumbag, you will freeze to death in the streets.

          71. IJR says

            But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.

          72. gerald Hughes says

            Have you heard of welfare low life liberal dem bloodsucking parasitical scumbag?

          73. IJR says

            Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation

          74. gerald Hughes says

            You and the scum like you have used up all of the patience of Christians, liberal dem bloodsucking parasitical scum bag..

          75. IJR says

            What chapter and verse is that?

          76. George Durdin says

            And you really have the nerve to use William F Buckley, a conservatives conservative pic as your avatar and ask such an asinine question? You could not fill Buckley’s jock strap. Now take your self loathing hate for our God and creator somewhere else.

          77. IJR says

            Asking for a bible verse is asinine? You are a rude little boy.
            Real conservatives, like Buckley, beleive in the Constitution.
            Why do you hate the Constitution?

          78. Michael Skok says

            Baking a cake is not participating in sin. But you have a point. It would sanctioning a ceremony which is an abomination to God.

          79. Jimmy Quick says

            Bingo!

        3. IJR says

          You want people to be petty and classless? You want business owners to turn away money?

          If you open a business, you can not pick whom to serve, period.
          Does it make you less of a christian to bake a cake for queers?
          Would Jesus smote you for baking a cake for queers?
          Where in the bible does it say to not serve queers?

          1. Jimmy Quick says

            God says that His people are not to participate in sin. You being a heathen, I’m sure you would eat dog shit if it paid enough.

            Besides being ignorant you are a fool. Go away fool.

          2. IJR says

            Baking a cake is not participating in sin, dumb dumb.
            Refusing to bake a cake for queers in unconstituional and really dumb.

          3. mac12sam12 says

            Doesn’t matter, ever hear of freedom of religion?

          4. IJR says

            That is cute. I have heard that over and over.
            You have the right to practice your religion, not to discriminate.

            If you open a business and get a license, you agree to abide by the law. That means you can not refuse service to queers.

          5. irish1919 says

            It’s not discrimination Mr smart guy It’s their religious beliefs. It’s constitutional. Get it !!!!! Quit showing everyone what a Christian hating , gay loving, God hating, secular left wing nut job you are.

          6. IJR says

            The Constitution, the courts, the law all disagree with you.
            I am sorry this is so hard for you to understand.

            Why are you mad at me for reporting the facts to you? You are a special kind of stupid.

          7. George Durdin says

            No the guy is just a gay agitator……………

          8. dinkerduo says

            Leave our CONSTITUTION OUT OF THIS moron—it’s NOT in the Constitution—the founding fathers didn’t have to deal with crap like this so it’s NOT in the Constitution—Jesus–what a dumb fu_k!!!! Go somewhere else!!

          9. IJR says

            You are not smart enough to understand the Constitution, so run along.
            Maybe try decaf Big Guy.

          10. George Durdin says

            You know I think you can plenty of gay websites that you can TROLL…….

          11. IJR says

            Yes, you are not smart enough for this. Run along silly boy.

          12. George Durdin says

            You are wasting your time fool. You have already shown your ignorance over and over again……we are on to you. Of course, being the intellectual snob that you are, you understand that ignorance is just a lack of education and learning BUT stupidity is the inability to learn. I think you have amply shown your inability to learn IJR.

          13. IJR says

            You are a rude child.

            You have done nothing but call me names, imply that I am gay and whine.
            You know nothing of law or the Constitution.
            Your willfull ignorance is cute.

          14. George Durdin says

            Man can and has passed laws in this country that make sinful, shameful behavior legal BUT they can never make it moral or Godly. Man has NO right in the civil courts to pass laws regarding the moral laws of our God……and they will never over ride or replace the written words of God.

          15. IJR says

            That is not what is happening.
            If Christians are not allowed to serve sinners, they are not allowed to serve anyone. All people are sinners, you especially.

          16. irish1919 says

            Cite where it is unconstitutional. It’s constitutional . It may not be what the left wing secular laws of Oregon say, but who would expect anything less from Oregon.

          17. IJR says

            You are really dumb. Did you notice how they won the lawsuit?
            I am not your teacher, boy.

          18. irish1919 says

            Baking a cake for someone who’s lifestyle is not part of your religious beliefs is a sin. Though I’m sure you have never sinned, Mr smart guy. Maybe you aren’t in to religious conviction . That’s why you’re clueless .

          19. IJR says

            It is only a sin if you are a moron.

            You just read the headline.
            Have some one read the article to you and explain it, dumb dumb.
            They did bake cakes for the queers, they just did not want to cater the wedding.

            So you are saying that the bakers sinned.
            This is fun, get back to me after someone explains the article to you.

          20. Glen Lewis says

            If it’s my business I should be able to choose my customers. If you want to get a cake baked and you’re gay go to a gay bakery. If that’s too much for you bake the damned thing yourself.

          21. George Durdin says

            There is NOTHING petty and classless for standing up for a persons religious and Christian beliefs and “dirty” money doesn’t cover the costs of the sinful and shameful behavior. Don’t pretend to know anything about God’s word…..you are just an empty, soulless shill.

          22. IJR says

            I know more about the bible than you do, you rude child.
            I also know more about the Constitution that you hate.

            You must obey the Old Testament, all of it.

            “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

        4. dinkerduo says

          I’d just tell them I’m booked and dont’ have the time to bake their stupid cake!!!

          1. Jimmy Quick says

            Sounds good if you can prove it in court.

        5. joe says

          No I say add special treats to it then inflate the cost by a factor of 10

          1. Jimmy Quick says

            How is that gonna hold up in court?

      2. ward says

        Like bo and hilary along with all the libtard idiots …. !

        1. glorybe2 says

          Trump divorced three times, Newt divorced three times, Ronnie reagan divorced one time. Hillary never divorced. Now tell me who has the shameful sexual lifestyles.

          1. Phoebe Isley says

            No Hillary just accepted the fact her husband’s infidelity was acceptable. This is all about forcing your will upon those who do not agree. This gay couples response was cruel and vengeful. Whatever happen to just being courteous of others? Oh no this couple was polite and kind and most important honest and yet that isn’t good enough? Tearing them down and taking all they have worked so hard to build is acceptable? Yep good ole human kindness at its best. Do you even hear yourselves. Go to a Kosher Deli or a Muslim owned restaurant and force them to serve you what they don’t have just out of spite and now look in the mirror. Forcing your will onto others who think differently than you isn’t very flattering to me. This bakery couple never forced anything on this gay couple. They did what they felt was right for them and the ego of this gay couple was bruised due to not all accept their sexual choices in life. I don’t ask them to accept mine nor will I force it upon them. I believe in what I believe and it’s not hurting anyone just their pride.

          2. IJR says

            Not serving gay people is cruel and vengeful.
            The queers did not start it.

            The owners of the bakery would not be in this mess if they just made the cake.
            Making a cake for queers does not make you less of a christian.

          3. paulrph1 says

            Two wrongs do make a right.

          4. glorybe2 says

            Since Hillary never divorced, it is not a matter of two wrongs making a right.

        2. IJR says

          “tard”
          You are classless. Are you 11 years old?

      3. njrealguy says

        Moron.

      4. IJR says

        You look them in the eyes a lot, deep in the eyes, I bet.

      5. IJR says

        I think you are queer.

    2. Tommy p says

      Agreed! And why would you want them to?
      Gay-naziism?

      1. njrealguy says

        wow gay and nazi in the same term.

    3. Laddyboy says

      When the muslem bakery was asked to bake a cake for a “homo” party, they REJECTED the person and told him to go elsewhere. IS THIS NOT DISCRIMINATION? What actions did the “STATE” take against this bakery? C R I C K E T S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. IJR says

        That would be illegal too. Where can I read about that?

        1. Jack says

          IJR; It’s very simple just type in videos on Muslim bakery refusing to make a cake for Gays.

          1. IJR says

            Where can Imread about it?
            That would be illegal. The people could sue.

            I am not sure why this is so hard for people to get.
            The Constitution dictates that if you open a business that you have to serve the public.
            That does not mean you have to serve pork if you own a Jewish deli, it means ifma gay walks in and wants a sandwich, you have to serve him.

            I bet that bakery has made cakes for queers and did not know it.
            Does that make them less christian?

          2. mac12sam12 says

            It’s not illegal. At a gun store I go to if they don’t like the way you look they’ll ask you to leave the store.

          3. IJR says

            That is not true. Would you like to offer some evidence of that?
            Gun stores can not refuse to sell to gays, midgets, or brown anarchists, nor can bakeries.
            Gun stores have slightly different rules but no where does it say they can refuse service to queers.

          4. donkeyshowmc says

            how about all the places that refuse to serve cops? doesn’t that fit the definition of your precious discrimination?

          5. IJR says

            Wow. Really?
            You can not refuse service to cops because they are cops, just like you can not refuse to serve queers because they are queers.

            What else?

          6. dinkerduo says

            You live in a cave or what—read the news–some servers at some restaurants have been refusing to serve cops or making them uncomfortable for being a cop–come out and see the light!

          7. irish1919 says

            Apples and oranges dummy

          8. IJR says

            You are not smart enough for this discussion.

          9. John E. Lambert says

            You are not smart enough for yourself..

          10. IJR says

            Some say cucumbers taste better pickled.

          11. irish1919 says

            It’s not about intelligence. I guess you think you are smarter than most but it is about the first Amendment. Apparently you don’t believe Christians beliefs are part of that amendment but they are protected. There is nothing in the constitution which supercedes the first amendment. There is no law which can supercedes a persons religious beliefs. The gays have absolutely no right to demand anyone to give up their religious convictions. It’s people like you who are turning the constitution on its head. I see you as a Christian hater who is probably an agnostic at best who believes in political correctness over common sense and individual rights as given to every American citizen , not just a certain secular group of people. You sir are wrong when it comes to this case. I believe if it goes in front of a constitutional judge, these owners will be exonerated and will open the State of Oregon to a massive law suit. The far left in this country isn’t interested in protecting anyone’s rights under the constitution let alone Christians. Muslims are not punished as Christians are. It’s exactly why we have jihadists in this country. The left is totally responsible. They can’t say Islamist terrorists. They sure can destroy decent Christians lives though. That sir is not justice by anyone’s definition. God will have the final say. Are you ready?

          12. John E. Lambert says

            And you know everything and speak for everyone becauuuuuuse?

          13. irish1919 says

            I can refuse to serve anyone who’s actions and lifestyle are in direct violation of my religious beliefs. Period. I’m beginning to think you are not Mr. smart guy. All of us on here know where you are coming from. LEFT field if you get my drift .

          14. IJR says

            Yes, you can refuse to scrub toilets belonging to gays, but you can be subject to lawsuits.
            It is weird that you are having such a hard time understanding actual facts.

          15. irish1919 says

            Who’s facts . Yours or Gods. I’m with God and the original intent of freedom of religion not the lefts intent. Amazing how the greatest document in human history was inspired by God and how you put all your facts into mans law. Fact is your facts do not line up with the original intent of the first amendment or the word of God. You lose on both counts . Goodnight and God be with you.

          16. IJR says

            By God’s facts the queers get no rights and get to burn in a lake of fire forever.
            By facts of man and law, you can not refuse to serve people that are dirty queers.

            I am sorry this is hard for you to understand.

          17. irish1919 says

            Just read the original intent on the religious freedom clause of the first amendment unless you are so full of yourself . Perhaps just perhaps you’ll find that there is no such animal as separation of church and state and the Suoreme court was never given the power to change anything in the constitution on their own. Over the years they have interpreted it to their liking without ever applying original intent. In other words the constitution today has been changed on political grounds and not constitutional grounds . All invented by liberals . Another words our founders worse fear a supreme court who would legislate and enforce . of course . I’m talking about my right as a Christian to act in accordance with my religious beliefs. I do not have to bake you a cake because your gay and you say I do. The constitution has been perverted along with society . Of course I’m sure you don’t want these facts because they don’t agree with yours. You have to get out of your liberal progressive politically correct self . mr. Smart guy. And I can’t judge people . God has made it clear on homosexuality but that’s His gig. All I am defending is the constitution as it was intended , not as secular leftists would have it. You just want to talk about mans laws. I am talking about Gods and that’s what religious freedom is about. It’s a God man relationship not a government man relationship . Our founders knew this . God bless you .

          18. IJR says

            Where can I read the “original intent on the religious freedom clause.”
            Did you mean the doctrine of original intent? That is very complex and a point of contention among Constitutional scholars. Do you want to take a shot at it? I could argue for and against that, as would you if you are keen on guns like I am.

            It is funny that you google one article and read the summary and think you know facts about the Constitution, scotus and lower courts.

            Then you devolve into God’s law stuff. That is great. Were you aware that man’s laws csn put you in jail and take your money and possessions?

            All I was doing is pointing out what actually happened and why. I never said I agreed with it, I just pointed it out. You got really mad at me when you were confronted with facts about man’s law.

            Why not take solice in the idea that Jesus and God are going to smite the crap out of thise queers?

          19. irish1919 says

            Better to be in prison than to give up ones religious beliefs . This discussion somehow deteriorated into what the law is or isn’t . Topic was the first amendment and specifically the religious clause . I side with the Their right to express their religious beliefs without the government interfering with their beliefs and you supporting government as having a right to criminalize those beliefs. So do not patronize others with your I’m so smart routine . Store owners have the same religious rights as those the service. I don’t remember any special omissions in that clause. All of this proves how badly the left has misconstrued the original intent of the constitution.

          20. IJR says

            There are many Christians that choose to follow the law and Jesus loves them very much and will accept them into his heavenly fold.

            Where does it say in the bible that a christian must refuse to serve gays?

            You just can not accept the fact that if you own a business you csnnot deny service to some on based on their race, religion, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation etc. So yes, store owners have the same rights, but that right does not allow one to discriminate. I do not think you know what “discriminate” means.

            That is the way it is. You can yell at me about it, but I had nothing to do with it.

          21. Marie Saqueton says

            Why do you love to be combative and pecantic, and yet you always quote the Bible but your analysis of what it means is twisted, only to serve your take on things, don’t you notice that? That is why lots of folks in this forum are frustrated with you because you want everybody to go your way or the highway. You are projecting a very self absorbed, arrogant and narcissistic person, which maybe you are not? Why can”t you take time and read your own posts and those who are very irritated with you. You are spreading hate not peace with your insulting and condescending remarks. I am telling you this for you to see your mirror in other people’s eyes, Peace be with you.

          22. IJR says

            Why do you love to lie and ignore the reality that if you do not want to get sued, you better serve queers?

            I am sorry if facts are hard for you to understand.

          23. SUZANNE M. says

            because he is a sad person with nothing better to do.

          24. John E. Lambert says

            The goverment will do as the government does..right or wrong..but that is not condoning their actions..it’s merely a fact..the Constitution as it was written wasn’t perfect..it is even less perfect now..the religious clause of the Constitution doesn’t exist..much to the detriment of this country..we can no longer depend on it to defend us over the unrighteous because it has been tainted by the Godless who think they speak for us..it’s sad..but at least for now that’s the way it is..both factions of our mainstream politicians claim to be “Godly”..but the proof is in their works..they’ve continuously lined their pockets and promoted the wealthy and big business..not their constituents..our Saving Grace is going to turn them away for denying and failing his true faithfuls..

          25. irish1919 says

            Proves my point . Who took prayer out of schools and out of our public life? Left wing Supreme Court justices . To say liberals and conservatives have changed the constitution then I guess you have to decide who is in line with the intent of the constitution . Constitutional judges who are not political hacks do not change the constitution to their personal preference. Are amendments added. Absolutely. But is original intent taken into account before striking or adding . Not by liberals. So to say conservatives are somehow involved in the radicalization of the constitution is ingenious . I would ask you to refer to Madison as he was the author . I am sure that he was very much aware of his intent and the question of his intent on the religious freedom of the 1st amendment is crystal clear and it was a bunch of over reaching political hacks decided to eliminate God out of our schools and public life. Yes it can’t keep those who believe in God to believe but it is a far over reaching Supreme Court which has allowed the erosion of religious rights and thought that we see today. . Atheists have rights, and Christians do not . When a Supreme Court rules that prayer will not be allowed in school because one atheist didn’t approve , we have a problem. So do not deny that the left wing is not responsible for going after all our rights. Hillary Clinton will try to enforce gun control by going through the United Nations . Once again taking away our sovereignty. Can we control it? We can but short of history repeating itself(like it has in many cases) all we have is the voting box. I do believe that with growing sentiment toward a Godless society we are doomed as a nation. I do not believe conservative Christians wanted to lose prayer in public life Just because one is a Christian or a conservative doesn’t mean one cannot have a concern about what goes on in this nation. God himself exhibited anger as did Jesus. Our forefathers rather Christian or not didn’t take God out of the equation. Thomas Jefferson was probably an agnostic by most accounts but knew the very fiber of Americans was to maintain religious freedom . So regardless of their understanding of God we were founded as a Judeo/ Christian country . That’s original intent. Any constitutional judge starts with original intent not like liberals who ignore it and go right to their personal political ideas.
            God has the final say but one cannot deny the damage the liberals have done to this country. You will never convince me it isn’t true. And yes I know that man is born to sin. So don’t go there. Our constitution was written with God in mind .

          26. John E. Lambert says

            Jesus and God are NOT going to “smite the crap” out of “queers”..that’s not what the Bible says..it says that those who have turned away will be left out of heaven..calling people names as if you are better than they are is another sin God hates..you can’t be a hater and abide in His grace either..that is not loving your fellow man..pray for those who have gone astray..you don’t have nor will God grant you the permission to use His name while even “thinking” hatefully..

          27. IJR says

            It is quite obvious I was not talking to you and it is quite ovious I was kidding. Do you ever wonder why you are not invited to parties?

            What do you mean God hates name calling? Like Matthew 5:22?
            I doubt that sin would warrant a stoninG.

            But, if you curse out your parents, you die.
            Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Exodus 21:17

            Jesus said the Old Testament must be followed.

            Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5:17–18

          28. John E. Lambert says

            Jesus spoke of God’s law..not mans..unfortunately for us all..many in power (and not in power) have put themselves above God’s law..they will be dealt with severely..

          29. IJR says

            Why are they not being dealt with now?
            The queers are winning.

          30. SUZANNE M. says

            DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT GOD MADE “QUEERS” AS HE MADE YOU?IF IN FACT, THAT IS YOUR PICTURE, YOU LOOK VERY ALOOF AND SMUG…..HOW DOES THAT FEEL TO BE JUDGED?ONE BREATH , THAT GOD IS ALL LOVING AND FORGIVING AND IN THE NEXT HE WILL SEND US WHO ARE NOT PERFECT TO HELL. THAT IS HOW IS WAS RAISED AND IT DIDN’T WORK.

          31. IJR says

            Stop yelling.
            God loves queers.

          32. John E. Lambert says

            Both Liberals and Conservatives have made changes to the Constitution to suit their own purposes..you can’t just blame one side..it’s not PC..nor truthful in God’s eyes..

          33. irish1919 says

            I do disagree with you. It is the liberal Suoreme court justices who have continually interpreted it to meet their political agenda which is to water it down so much that it will be totally

            Islamic Terror
            on American Soil
            Following the horrific slaughter of thousands on 9/11, only one Muslim in America was killed in a vigilante “revenge” attack. This was Waqar Hasan, a convenience storeowner who was gunned down by Mark Anthony Stroman in Texas.

            Hardly an average American, Stroman was a white supremacist with a felony criminal record who went on to shoot two more people in the following weeks. However, he did claim to be motivated by anger after having watched the twin towers fall.

            For anyone keeping score:

            People killed by radical Muslims on 9/11: 2,996
            Muslim-Americans killed “in revenge”: 1

            Thankfully, an American jury sentenced Mark Stroman to death. The same cannot be said of many Muslim terrorists, including Palestinian mass murderers who who kill children. They are not only celebrated in some circles, but have even been invited to perform the Haj at Mecca – without a peep of protest from Muslim groups or individuals.

            The overwhelming obsession with “Islamophobia” is not supported by a body count. That may sound crass, but since 9/11, an additional 139 Americans have been killed in 48 separate acts of deadly Islamic terror or Islam-related honor killing in the United States. Hundreds of mass murder plots have been thwarted or botched. The real story is not “Islamophobia” but American tolerance – which rightly refuses to punish the individual based on group identity.

            As the Muslim population increases in the United States, so too will the number of Islamic terror attacks. This is because the pool from which the radicals recruit grows bigger. Studies show that between 5 – 25% of Muslims in America believe that violence in defense of Islam is justified. The number of potential terrorists therefore grows proportionately with the overall number, even if only a small minority actually plot terror.

            Immigrants to America have killed and have plotted to kill. However, the real threat comes from successive generations of Muslims living in the West, which have proven to be more radical and more dangerous than their parents. Muslim immigration thus means that more Americans will eventually die. The benefits that offset this reality are not entirely clear.

            For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil since 1972, here’s what we came up with:

            Date Country City Killed Injured Description
            1972.04.14 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
            1973.01.19 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
            1973.07.01 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
            1973.07.18 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
            1973.10.19 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
            1973.10.29 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
            1973.11.25 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
            1973.12.11 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
            1973.12.13 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
            1973.12.20 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
            1973.12.22 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
            1973.12.24 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
            1974.01.24 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
            1974.04.01 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
            1974.04.16 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
            1977.03.09 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B’nai B’rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
            1980.07.22 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
            1980.08.31 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
            1989.11.06 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing ‘dishonor’ to their family by dating an ‘infidel’ African-American.
            1990.01.31 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur’an were invalid.
            1990.11.05 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
            1993.01.25 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
            1993.02.26 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
            1994.03.01 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.
            1997.03.23 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
            1997.04.03 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
            2000.03.17 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
            2001.09.11 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
            2001.09.11 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
            2001.09.11 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
            2002.03.19 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
            2002.05.27 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
            2002.07.04 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
            2002.09.21 USA Atlanta, GA 1 0 Muslim terrorists gun down an employee at a liquor store.
            2002.09.21 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
            2002.09.23 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
            2002.10.02 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
            2002.10.03 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
            2002.10.09 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
            2002.10.11 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
            2002.10.14 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
            2002.10.22 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
            2003.08.06 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a ‘religious revival’, a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4″ butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
            2004.04.15 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
            2006.06.16 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.
            2006.06.25 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was ‘Allah’s choice’, a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
            2006.07.28 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An ‘angry’ Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
            2008.01.01 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their ‘Western’ lifestyle.
            2008.07.06 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
            2009.02.12 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
            2009.04.12 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
            2009.06.01 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
            2009.11.02 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too ‘Westernized.’ (10-20-09)
            2009.11.05 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
            2009.12.04 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for ‘persecuted’ Muslims.
            2010.04.14 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to ‘take them back to Allah’ and out of the ‘world of sinners’.
            2011.04.30 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
            2011.09.11 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
            2012.01.15 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.
            2012.11.12 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.
            2013.02.07 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
            2013.03.24 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
            2013.04.15 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as ‘very religious’ detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
            2013.04.19 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
            2013.08.04 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert “on a mission from Allah” stabs a store clerk to death.
            2014.03.06 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
            2014.04.27 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
            2014.06.01 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
            2014.06.25 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death ‘in revenge’ for Muslim deaths overseas.
            2014.09.25 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.
            2014.12.18 USA Morganton, NC 1 0 A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a ‘radicalized’ ISIS supporter.
            2015.07.16 USA Chattanooga, TN 5 2 A ‘devout Muslim’ stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.
            2015.12.02 USA San Bernardino, CA 14 17 A ‘very religious’ Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.
            2016.06.13 USA Orlando, FL 49 53 An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub.
            These are only attacks in which fatalities occurred.

          34. SUZANNE M. says

            AND GOD CREATED ….ALL……OF US……AND GOD KNEW WHAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US WERE GOING TO BE……….HE’S ….GOD.

          35. IJR says

            God is a he?

          36. John E. Lambert says

            God is God..not a he or a she..just God..some (myself as one) refer to God as “He or Him” Some as “Her or She” but either way there’s still God..

          37. IJR says

            God loves queers.

          38. John E. Lambert says

            God loves his creations..but not necessarily the ideologeis or lifestyles they might adopt..He’s not against the sinner..He’s against the sin itself..the person can be forgiven..that’s God’s way..but sin itself cannot be forgiven because it is not of Him..

          39. IJR says

            Your ellipsis abuse is annoying.
            You are going to be judged harshly for all the judging you are doing.

          40. SUZANNE M. says

            YOU AND IJR ARE SO SMUG AND SELF RIGHTEOUS……..GOD HELP YOU. AND HOW ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE ARE EITHER OF, THAT THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD……NO ONE IS…..IT’S CALLED FAITH………

          41. John E. Lambert says

            Not true IJR..God will accept them through repentance..those that don’t repent their sins He will reject..and He doesn’t limit it to “queers”..it covers ALL sins..even prejudice and persecution..when I say that to you I’m not saying YOU are prejudiced..just pointing out that God gives ALL sinners a way out..REPENTANCE.m

          42. IJR says

            My statement obviously implied that they did not repent. You seem to really like me and the posts that were not directed at you.

            Judge not Big Guy.

            Serve those queers or get the Jesus sued our of you.

          43. John E. Lambert says

            PC is a creation of both the Left and the Right..let them have it..live in the light of the Lord..that’s where true love and freedom are..

          44. John E. Lambert says

            The Constitution was written by those of opposite views who were but MEN..not God. Though some were Godly..others were not. The Bible is the only document that was wholly dictated by God. I live under the Constitutional law..and the Bill of Rights..and have fought and bled for our forefathers’ ideals..but if it comes down to a choice of where my true faith lies..it won’t be with the Constitution..Bill of Rights or any other political or national writing..it will be with the Bible..case closed.

          45. SUZANNE M. says

            WE ALLLLLLLLLLL………..SHIT THE SAME WAY.

          46. IJR says

            Thatnis not true, some squat, some lean.
            All of is Americans have the same rights though, even the queers.

          47. irish1919 says

            I remember the left eliminating the word Queer. Surprised you are using it. Shame on you for calling someone that. I’m sure the language police aren’t happy. You are becoming too personal . I think you need not say queer in all your discussions . We know they are gays lesbians and transvestites. It’s the holy trinity of the left .

          48. IJR says

            I am not of the left and do not bow to them or queers. To be fair, it is not hard to be tough relative to a lot of queers.

            I think you should stop using adverbs and gerunds.
            For ease of distinction, stop using the present participle too.

          49. John E. Lambert says

            Adverbs? Gerunds? Present participles? WTF?

          50. IJR says

            Go take a class at the adult learning annex. After you learn about grammar you can learn what “context” is.

          51. John E. Lambert says

            Holy trinity of the left? Now who’s becoming “too personal” It’s got nothing to do with just left or right..both sides have done their part over the years..some of those gays..lesbian and transvestites are Republicans..some are Democrats..again..you just proved my overall point..both sides of the government have been and still are keeping us divided..

          52. John E. Lambert says

            Again with the “left” being the culprit..when any law gets passed it generally takes a vote of the majority of the “left” and “right” before it can be ratified into law..even if not everyone on the “left” agrees on it..and not everyone on the “right” is oposed to it..the majority vote passes or denies it..

          53. John E. Lambert says

            Yes..we ARE SUPPOSED to have to have the same rights..but we don’t..if we did this country wouldn’t be at each others’ throats..our Godless government officials pit us against one another in hopes we’ll be too busy arguing and fighting each other we won’t see what they’re doing until it’s too late..

          54. IJR says

            And you fall for it. I am fine, no problem with anyone.
            God really seems to,favor queers over christians though.
            I bet christian queers are set.

          55. John E. Lambert says

            God favors us ALL no matter what shortcomings we might have..He loves us unconditionally..He has given us a way to His forgiveness..

          56. IJR says

            Unless you were born in a Muslim country.

          57. John E. Lambert says

            Knowing that it is wrong in man’s law means that you will deal with THAT law should you violate it for any reason..but God knows your heart..if your heart is wholly with Him..it won’t matter what man’s law does to you..because God is the final Word and will always have the final say..trust in Him..

          58. Marie Saqueton says

            Amen. To add to that, we us Christians, God’s law comes first and if we have to violate man’s flawed laws we will. That is how Christians who could not follow man’s flawed laws were fed to the lions. As Jesus said: “Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Here’s one that LJR need to know: “Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.”

          59. IJR says

            Jesusmcries when you abuse the ellipsis. God loves queers.

          60. John E. Lambert says

            I understand the “actual facts”..the “law” that protects them also protects us..but it is MAN’S law..NOT God’s..we don’t have to like or accept their lifestyle..but God says we should strive to bring them back to the Light..not condemn them..even on the cross Jesus said “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.”..not “Smite them mightily for turning their hearts from you.”

          61. IJR says

            You do have to serve queers if you have a business or they will sue the Jesus out of you.
            Matthew 5:18-19

          62. ShemSilber says

            We need not have any concern in the long run over the perverts. Our brother, Paul, wrote in 1Corinthians 6:9-11 that the effeminate and homosexuals will not be in the Kingdom. He persuaded some to change their ways, for he says, “…and such WERE some of you, but you are WASHED…” But those who refuse will become ashes in the Lake of Fire rather than live their misery forever. What a shame, but it’s their choice.

            Blessed are all those who put their lives in the hands of the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus), for He cleans us up and prepares us for everlasting life, omein.

          63. irish1919 says

            My concern is not with gays. I pray they will come to Christ. I am concerned about the direction the elitistists are taking this country. Political correctness has put this country in peril. I then know that God will be the final judge of it all. Thanks for your biblical input . It is needed and appreciated .

          64. SUZANNE M. says

            DO ANY OF USE KNOW THAT THEY HAVEN’T COME TO CHRIST. DO YOU KNOW OR ENGAGE WITH ANY GAY PEOPLE?

          65. irish1919 says

            Yes I do engage with gays. I have a relative who is gay and to my knowledge has never been engaged with Christ . I love him but doesn’t mean I have to accept his lifestyle . It is his choice . I simply know that it is not the lifestyle God condones. So yes I am real close to a gay person. As I’ve said before God did not create Adam and Steve. He created a man and a woman with heterosexual in mind. That is a law of nature. Today it’s almost like LGBT is a cult and shuns Godly relationships. But then they shun God also.

          66. John E. Lambert says

            That’s a good point..even murderers have turned to and accepted God..and God has Graciously forgiven them..

          67. ShemSilber says

            The “elite” (who will, in the end, be known as the “extreme low-life”) are pomoting the LGBT (who will become known as “miserable” rather than “gay”), along with mass murder of our babies, because their program calls for population reduction, down to may 500 million people worldwide. We who are the elderly or “useless eaters” are considered by them quite expendable, therefore they also promote killing us off.

            Nevertheless we have assurance, we who have put our trust in the Messiah Yahushua (Christ Jesus), that He will forgive us our sins and grant us everlasting life, and we will be free of all the evil influences, because the devil, the instigator of all those miseries, will have been banished. We just have to be on the Master’s side, and when this temporary age is over and gone behind us, we will have peace and everlasting productivity on the earth, in Yahushua’s Name, omein.

          68. John E. Lambert says

            Shem..my life has been far from perfect..but I know that because I (just once) prayed earnestly to be forgiven..His Grace cleansed and forgave me of my sins..on that day I was given freedom from my past..I just wish that some of the professed “believers” that say “Lord. Lord.” yet go on hating..would realize that they are seen as no better in His eyes than those “queers” are in theirs.

          69. ShemSilber says

            Shalom, Brother John. Yes, indeed, the Master forgives our sins and prays for us continuously from the Holy of Holies in the heavenly Temple, for He is our High Priest, to whom we give thanks because He has forgiven our sins, and because He helps us clean up our lives, just as He will come soon to clean all the evils of these Dark Ages, bringing us peace and productivity on earth into all the endless ages. We can’t praise Him enough, for He created us first in His image, and the next step is to make us in His likeness (Psalms 17:15; 1John 3:1-3), omein.

          70. John E. Lambert says

            Irish..just keep your heart pure when it comes to having to deal with the world and it’s problems..God has said He will favor those who honor Him above the “elitists” because their hearts are closed to Him..

          71. irish1919 says

            Thanks for the advice and the scripture . I sometimes care too much about world events. I know God will make things right again . I guess I still worry for my children and grandchildren . Don’t know if you have children but both my daughters will never be able to retire . They know there will be nothing for them. They pay in and will get nothing . Work their whole life. What about their children? Our country is on the verge of collapse. It’s not the country of my parents . They were the greatest generation . Went through really tough times. The depression , World War II . Every generation had it better than the previous until my children’s
            generation. I look around and people just seem so interested in unimportant things and ignore those things which can adversely affect the rest of their lives . We have a real me mentality today . Rather it’s material things or BLM or politicians or athletes or younger people there always seems to be this “I am the most important ” It’s not about you, it’s about me. God will sort it all out . I guess throughout history man has always thought he had the power. I really apprecuate your kindness.
            Time to sleep.

          72. John E. Lambert says

            Irish: I just turned 69 yesterday. My Social Security is a lot less than what it would have been 20 years ago..my hard-earned but meager bank account may soon be stolen from me to bail out the banks..which might cost me my home and the few things I have left that I worked hard for years to attain..but my faith now is such that if all of that comes to pass I will smile through it because I know that He will take me home and that “NOTHING OF THIS EARTH” will go with me..the best thing we can do for our children and grandchildren is to teach them His words..show them His love in all we say and do..and instill it in their hearts to pass His love on to their children..THAT IS UNCONDITIONAL LOVE..the type of love that He has for all of His children..

          73. ShemSilber says

            You are more than welcome, my fellow-Irishman. (My grandfather came over in 1899 from Ballynahinch, County Down. He, too, was a Bible-oriented man and pointed me in that direction by his example.)
            We are looking forward to the Second Coming of our Messiah, who will lead us into a cleansing of the earth of all evil. He suffered and died for us the first time, and rose again to assure us of everlasting life, and this second time He comes to rule and to bring about peace on earth. Either we’ll live to see it, or He’ll bring us with Him from the heavens to put us all work with Him, doing our Father’s work. HalleluYAH, for that day is coming, in our lifetime or shortly thereafter, omein.

          74. John E. Lambert says

            Thank you my Brother in Christ..He also has no place for those with angry hearts against any of His creations..”Judge not lest ye be judged.”

          75. ShemSilber says

            Quite right. It is perfectly all right, however, to follow the Master Yahushua’s example of judging against the sin and loving the sinner at the same time, because of what the sin does to the sinner, putting him in danger of Gei-Hinnom, the Lake of Fire that was made, per Matthew 25:41, for the devil and his fellow demons, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein.

          76. John E. Lambert says

            Amen..amen and omien!

          77. John E. Lambert says

            Yess..if you want to you can go right ahead and refuse to serve..but that doesn’t make it legal..but it will most definitely open a whole nasty but legal can of worms for you if they decide to prove you wrong..

          78. John E. Lambert says

            You can refuse service to anyone you choose..but be prepared to lose your derriere if you do..discrimination is a violation of law..

          79. Cookie Vranish says

            A cop never resorts to the money grubbing lows that a queer would. Yes the cop would be angry but has some class. Queers are just trying to force their filthy lifestyles on everybody!

          80. IJR says

            Those dirty queers must be making out on the stoop in front of your adult care facility. My neighborhood is nice, I never see queers. You should live in a nicer adult care facility.

          81. John E. Lambert says

            Just because you don’t see (as you keep calling them) “queers” making out on the stoop of your adult care facility doesn’t mean they aren’t there..and more power to them..I am not here to condemn them or anyone else..and neither are you..

          82. IJR says

            I am here to condemn improper use of the ellipsis.

          83. SUZANNE M. says

            WELLLL……..DAMN ….I GUESS YOU KNOW EVERYONES PERSONAL STUFF IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD…..I GUESS THATS A GOOD THING FOR YOU SO THAT IF A GAY OR LESBIAN MOVED INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD,,,,YOU WOULD HAVE A HEADS UP TO GET THE HELL OUT OF DODGE…….

          84. IJR says

            Queers raise property values and God loves them.

          85. John E. Lambert says

            So who’s next to be shot by cops..gays..lesbians..atheists? Get real..just like I know not all cops are bad..not all gays or lesbians are without love for God..He loves them in return..if a gay person is being outwardly denied rights by someone calling themselves a Christian..it’s because they understand that a true Christian wouldn’t be that way..the KKK..Neo Nazis..and other hate groups claim to be Christians and Constitutionally correct as justification for their bigotry and hatred too..

          86. SUZANNE M. says

            YOU ….SIR HAVE GOD’S GIFT OF CHOICE…..CLOSE YOUR MOUTH AND DON’T GO AROUND GAY PEOPLE IN ANY WAY, IF YOU ARE SO OFFENDED….GOD HELP ANY PERSON OF YOUR FAMILY WHO JUST MIGHT BE GAY AND LOVES YOU SIR, FOR THE BIGOT YOU ARE….NOT MATTER WHAT.

          87. John E. Lambert says

            “Queers are trying to FORCE their filthy lifestyles on everybody”..NOT!?! They..like the myriad of color..nationalities and religions in our country have every right to protection from discrimination. It’s guaranteed to us all in the Constitution..nowhere in ANY of the documents that form our laws does it say that (as you put it) “queers” are to be treated any differently than anyone else..and there have been many corrupt police officers (and entire police departments)..I’m not saying you have to condone the gay lifestyle..but neither the Constitution nor the Bible gives you the right to hate the person..that is entirely on you..

          88. SUZANNE M. says

            YOU CONTINUE TO USE THE WORD “queer”
            DO YOU KNOW HOW ASBSOLUTELY JUVENILE YOU SOUND? UNLESS YOU ARE SLEEPING WITH A GAY PERSON AND ARE GAY YOURSELF, WHAT SOMEONE DOES IN THE PRIVACY OF THERE HOME IS THEIR BUSINESS, NOT OURS, AS LONG IT IS CONSENTING ADULTS. I AM STRAIGHT, KNOW GAY PEOPLE, ASK YOURSELF THIS, WHY IN THE HELL WOULD A PERSON CHOOSE TO BE GAY WHEN THEY KNOW THE DISGUSTING , VILE, DISPICABLE THINGS THAT WILL COME THEIR WAY? WOULD YOU LIKE IT? GO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR SOMEONE TODAY, INSTAED OF THE IMMATURE COMMENTS YOU COWARDLY THROW AROUND.

          89. IJR says

            You should try decaf and not yell. I am nit going to argue with someone so mad and unbalanced.

          90. IJR says

            Where did I say that queers chose to be queers?
            I think they are born that way, why would they choose to be discriminated against and violently attacked?

          91. SUZANNE M. says

            UEER IS NOT NICE. GAY IS HOW THEY DEFINE THEMSELVES…..I AM NOT ARGUING WITH YOU…..BUT YOU THINK THAT IAM MAD, YOU BET I AM. UNBALANCED……NOT……I DON’T DRINK….COFFEE …..I AM (NIT) ARGUING …THE CAPS DID THEIR JOB THOUGH.

          92. IJR says

            Stop yelling.

          93. SUZANNE M. says

            NO…….NO……AND NO.

          94. IJR says

            Maybe you should try decaf.
            God love queers more than christians.

          95. John E. Lambert says

            You didn’t have to use all caps to show your disgust for/to the “all-knowing nothing” bigots..they already know they are wrong..they just don’t like to admit it..

          96. SUZANNE M. says

            THE FACT THAT I CHOSE TO USE ALL CAPS, IS NOT THE POINT ….THE SUBJECT MATTER IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT. IT IS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE TO ME THAT BEHIND THE “PROTECTION ” OF THE INTERNET , PEOPLE CAN CALL PEOPLE SOME OF THE DISPICABLE THINGS,,,,,IT’S COWARDESS. HENCE MY ANGER. AND IF PEOPLE DON’T LIKE IT ….DON’T READ IT.AND PLEASE DON’T SEND THE “CAPS” POLICE….I WOULD MOST LIKELY GIVE THEM COOKIES AND KINDNESS AND TELL THEM THEY NEED TO FIND SOMETHING MORE PRODUCTIVE TO DO WITH THEIR LIVES.

          97. Marie Saqueton says

            I am with you Suzanne, you have every right to do what you want to do. Caps is not offensive, it is just an assertive form to show your frustration towards those who are uncouth. You are okay with me.

          98. SUZANNE M. says

            Thank you Ms. Marie. some of the things we see on the internet are a cowards way of insulting the rest of us. Mr. IJR is a fine example of this. how unproductive is this? have a sparkling week. Suzanne

          99. John E. Lambert says

            I totally agree with you. I was just saying that your point would have been less likely to have been viewed as anger rather than righteous indignation if you hadn’t used all caps to express it.

          100. SUZANNE M. says

            MR. JOHN………I AM ANGRY…..THAT THIS COUNTRY IS SO SCREWED UP , AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT DO NOTHING TO FIX OUR PROBLEMS,,,,IS DISPICABLE. WE HAVE ISIS DOWN OUR BACKS AND IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE…..WHAT HAVE THE POLITICIANS DONE…..00000000000000000000000000000000. DONALD TRUMP IS NO DIFFERENT THAN A GREAT NUMBER OF MEN AND WOMEN HAVE NOT SAID AND DONE . WE HAVE SO MUCH TRAQSH IN OUR LIVES , SEX IS THROWN IN OUR FACES, VIOLENCE…I COULD GO ON AND ON…BILL BLINTON DID EXACTLY THE SAME STUPID , VUGAR CRAP ….IN THE OVAL OFFICE …NO LESS…..FIND ONE MAN OUT THERE THAT HASNOT DONE AND SAID THE CRAP TRUMP HAS. I KNOW THERE MUST BE A FEW…..SOMEWHERE. BUT CLINTON CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. I WILL VOTE FOR TRUMP.BECAUSE OF WHAT HE IS, WOMEN HAVE THROWN THEMSELVES AT HIM…..MEN ARE WEAK AND WILL GO FOR IT IF THEY CAN. GROW UP!

          101. SUZANNE M. says

            ….AND WHAT MAKES YOU ,SIR< THINK THAT THE SUBJECT MATTER DOESN'T MAKE ME ANGRY?

          102. Marie Saqueton says

            She just want lJR to know how frustrated she is with him and that is the only way she can show it. This is nothing to be upset about, give her a breathing room to vent her frustrations with him. iJR has nothing better to do than irritate us with his condescending remarks. Just leave him alone now, he is hopeless because narcissism has no cure, it is a character flaw. Just pray for the poor guy.

          103. SUZANNE M. says

            MR. LAMBERT. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE MY ALL CAPS AS ANGER ALL THE TIME. IT IS MY WAY OF GETTING MY THOUGHTS ACROSS. APPARENTLY IT’S WORKING. I AM NOT YELLING AT YOU RIGHT NOW. AS FAR AS BIGOTRY, YESS IT ANGERS ME. WE ALL BLEED RED. AND WE ALL WNAT A DECENT LIFE.. CREATURES LIKE IJR ARE SICK AND DO NOTHING TO LIFT ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES WITH THEIR ARROGANCE AND SUPERIORITY.YES YOU COULD SAY IAM ANGRT ABOT HIM. HE IS NOT NICE.YOU ON THE OTHER HAND ARE. HAVE A GOOD DAY.

          104. John E. Lambert says

            I totally agree with you Suzanne..but if we fight arrogance bigotry prejudice with even what can be conceived as anger..we take God’s love and tolerance of all of us out of the healing equation. Yes..you have reached people (IJR being one of them) but when he sees all caps as you being angry you lose the strength of your righteously based argument. And when others read your all caps message they too think your message is in anger..even if it’s not.

          105. SUZANNE M. says

            I AM ANGRY, NOT IN THE WAY YOU MAY THINK, BUT THE CAPS DO GET ATTENTION AND IF PEOPLE TAKE THE TIME TO READ WHAT I HAVE SAID,SO BE IT. I AM ANGRY THAT WE AS A PEOPLE ALLOW THESE ARROGANT SELFRIGHTEOUS DO GOODERS WHO DO NOTHING , BUT THINK THEY KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR THE REST OF US. WE ARE LIKE LEMMINGS.WE THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE “GODS” AND THEY AREN’T. PLEASE WAKE UP AMERICA.IF THE POLITICIANS ARE SO GOOD, WHY DO WE STILL HAVE GHETTOS OF HOPELESSNESS, WHY DO WE HAVE VETERANS COMMITING SUICIDE DAILY, OUR YOUNG KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SEEDY SIDE OF LIFE BECAUSE WE ALLOW SO MUCH TRASH OUT AND CALL IT ART. CHILD ABUSE, ABORTION. ABORTION….WE HAVE A LAW THAT SAYS THAT IF A CHILD IS AN INCONVENIENCE, INSERT A KILLING MACHINE INTO IT’S MOTHERS’ VAGINA AND THE PROBLEM IS SOLVED, PAY THE KILLER DOCTOR AND LIFE IS GOOD. DO WE EVER STOP TO THINK….WHO IS NEXT? THAT CHILD IS THE WEAKEST OF US ALL….AND WE MADE THE KILLING OF IT LEGAL….AND YET WHEN A RAPIST/MURDERER IS ON DEATH ROW PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO STOP IT, BECAUSE IT’S CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT. HOW DAMN TWISTED AND SICK IS THAT?I AM NOT A BIBLE THUMPING , CHURCH GOING WOMAN. I AM SPIRITAUL, I BELIVE THERE IS A GOD…….I THINK HE MUST CRY ENDLESSLY.

          106. SUZANNE M. says

            GOD GAVE US THE EMOTION OF ANGER………WELL THEN YOU ARE ALL CONTROLLED BY COMPUTER SPEAK. I LIKE HOW ALL CAPS LOOK…WHAT CAN I SAY..I’M NOT ANGRY RIGHT NOW.

          107. SUZANNE M. says

            how’s this? why is it so important that my use of all caps bothers you so much? I just don’t get how petty it is. so the hell what!. the content of what we all comment on is the important thing,,,,not the use of all caps. don’t we have really more important things to discuss and fix in our world and lives than to bitch because someone uses all caps. computer protocol…..gotta do what we are told or the caps police will come and get us. we are losing our collective minds. look at my “all caps” this way ….I am extra disgusted, how’s that??????

          108. Marie Saqueton says

            New scientific findings are now saying that no one is born to be gay , because it is the hormones that determines your sexual behavior. That is why lesbians take hormone injections to look like men and men do the same to act like women. The upbringing and environment also plays an important role. When a boy child is brought up by a very strong and dominating mother, they tend to imitate her and when a baby girl is brought up with a very strong and dominating father she imitates him. The powerful party becomes the child’s role model. We should learn something from this, that marriage must share 50/50 of power if they want their child to grow normal. Not a bad idea.

          109. IJR says

            Lesbians and gay men take hormone injections?
            lol

            If lesbians came from dominating fathers they would make up a lot more than the small percentage they are now. Your ideas are straight out of old timey propaganda.

          110. Marie Saqueton says

            You must be ignorant about medicine. I come from 15 medical doctors in my family and I know this is happening. Why do you think some lesbian women develop masculine features, with beard and masculine voice, and some gay men develop breasts? When they stop the hormone injections or pills they revert back to their original features. They tried to change God’s creation, but no one can.

          111. IJR says

            I would love to read about what you are babbling about, but it does not exist, you are lying.

          112. Marie Saqueton says

            I am not lying, you are just uninformed and ignorant about the treatments they are taking to change their appearance. I have had clients who take hormones just to look masculine. Cher’s daughter looks like a man now with these hormones, check out Chastiryy Bono, now called Chas. Study the role of hormones what it does to the body and stop insulting us just because you are ignorant.

          113. IJR says

            You are talking about transgender or transsexual people. Not all lesbians want to be men and not all gay men want to be women.

            You should get it all straight so it is easier to look down on them and judge them.
            Insulting us? Are you more than one person?

          114. Marie Saqueton says

            Boy, you are a hopeless case of a moron. I was referring to all the folks you insulted in this forum. I do not insult or look down on anyone except you who is so self absorbed and pretends to be intellectual but is actually a moron. Get the neurons in your brain working. Everyone is free to choose the lifestyle that suits them as God gave us “FREE WILL”. I MIGHT NOT AGREE WITH THEIR CHOSEN LIFESTYLE BUT I DO NOT HATE THEIR PERSONA,,,understand? Your stupid posts just exacerbates the frustration of people in this forum, because you have a tendency to attack the person. How do you like it now that I attacked you, idiot?

          115. IJR says

            It shows that Satan lives in your heart and in your mind.

          116. Marie Saqueton says

            The Holy Spirit lives in my heart, so Satan can never be there. My guardian angel whispered to me that Satan is already in your heart and has engulfed you in his power that is why you are hated by many people in this forum. You can still cleanse your heart and your mind if you truly love God and His mercy will be upon you, and you will have the wisdom to post good things that people will appreciate instead of the vile stuff you normally do. May the Holy Spirit bless you with wisdom to know the difference between good and evil and some humility. Peace be with you.

          117. IJR says

            You are a rude idiot.

          118. Madame Mildew says

            Hearing voices now? They have medication for that.

          119. Marie Saqueton says

            I am so close to my God that he sends me a guardian angel to mentor me. Don’t worry I am very normal and at my age I am very healthy and do not take any medication, I just pray a lot and help the unfortunate homeless folks. Have a nice week.

          120. Auburnmanfrom TN says

            Marie do u know my friend wayne allam root. if not go to his web site http://www.rootforamerica.com hear his last video about election and how scared clintons are right now

          121. Marie Saqueton says

            Thanks so much for sharing. May God save America and its people, from the globalists….

          122. Auburnmanfrom TN says

            Marie, let me ask you something? and I have asked a lot of people the same question? , all had same answer, If you were running for let’s say a mayor in your town, and every poll and people saying you were winning and it would be a landslde, and polls show that, would you get out and lie and trash your opponent with lies and deceit????? no I don’t think so, well Hillary knows she is way behind in polls and Trump will clean her clock , she knows she has to try and steal election to win. I don’t think she is going to make it

          123. SUZANNE M. says

            possibly ijr had things done to fix himself and they didn’t take.

          124. John E. Lambert says

            Gays..Blacks..Native Americans..etc never have chosen to be attacked..bigots attack things they don’t understand or those they think they are somehow superior to..and unfortunately they somehow believe they have a right to..

          125. IJR says

            Ellipsis

          126. irish1919 says

            Not today . They are glorified it is God who is defiled and people who believe in traditional marriage . The whole society is skewed toward praising evil and denouncing good because to a leftie there is no sense of right or wrong. Sorry but God has said different .

          127. John E. Lambert says

            To a leftie? It’s both lefties and righties Irish..a bigot is a bigot no matter which political party he/she adheres to.

          128. Marie Saqueton says

            God’s law has no expiration, it is good to the end of time. It is man’s law that is flawed and expires according to man’s WILL. Man’s “FREE WILL” will either take you to heaven or to hell, but God’s Will, if you follow it will take you to His Kingdom in Heaven. I rather follow His Will, not just because I am afraid of eternal fire, but most of all because I love God and all His creations. I am grateful to Him for creating me, my family and friends and the life He has given us. Amen.

          129. John E. Lambert says

            God says nothing of the sort. He says that we should love one another and rebuke sin..He knew before He created us that there would be those that embrace sin over His desires for us..He never once said that He wants us to do anything to harm them..only that if we believe in Him to love them so that through that love they might sin no more..if you truly believe that God created us in HIS image you would understand that His love is in us and not just spout condemnation..”Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” aren’t just words..

          130. John E. Lambert says

            They no more “choose” to be gay than one can chose to be Black..Hispanic..Asian or Native American..unlike YOU who has chosen to be a bigot. We all know that it’s an abomination to God..but if He can forgive them..what right have you to condemn them?

          131. SUZANNE M. says

            WHERE , EXACTLY DO YOU GET THAT I AM A BIGOT IN WHAT I HAVE SAID? I HAD A GAY SISTER WHO STRUGGLED ALL HER LIFE AND I COULD CARE LESS WHO SHE SLEPT WITH. I SIMPLY WANTED HER TO BE CONTENT AND SHE NEVER COULD COME TO PEACE BECAUSE OF THE SOCIAL STIGMA THAT COMES FROM THE LIKES OF YOU AND IJR. OF COURSE , NO ONE CHOOSES TO BE A CERTAIN ” THING” IT’S WHAT WE DO WITH WHAT WE ARE ALL GIVEN THAT MATTERS TO GOD. DAMN THE REST.AND BY THE WAY MY SISTER PASSED IN A COMA,,, SHE JUST GAVE UP.

          132. John E. Lambert says

            Suzanne..I wasn’t referring to you..and am truly sorry if you thought I was..I was referring to something that Irish said.

          133. SUZANNE M. says

            accepted>

          134. IJR says

            Good job not yelling like a child.

          135. SUZANNE M. says

            SO, THEN, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT I HAVE BLACK AND HISPANIC FREINDS, ONE OF THEM IS MY BEST FREIND. I AM BIGOTTED TOWARD PEOPLE WHO MAKE JUDGMENT ABOUT OTHERS THAT HAVE NO BASIS IN FACT. THERE IS GOOD AND BAD IN ALL PEOPLE.

          136. John E. Lambert says

            Don’t be bigoted against bigots..pray for them..

          137. donkeyshowmc says

            True, but they don’t seem to get their businesses closed.

          138. IJR says

            Someone should sue like the queers did.

          139. John E. Lambert says

            You say “all those places that refuse to serve cops”..name 12 of them and your argument BEGINS to make sense..but 1 or 2 is just as senseless as the stand the bakery took..prejudice is against city state federal and CONSTITUTIONAL law..and is an abomination to God..

          140. donkeyshowmc says

            Homosexuality is an abomination to God. It says so in all those books you can find in churches everywhere. All those places that refused service to cops are not being sued out of business and there’s your difference.

          141. John E. Lambert says

            Yes..homosexuality is an abomination to God..but not to the man-made laws we live under..these things were mentioned in the Bible..but so was tolerance..hate just breeds more hate..loving tolerance..such as Jesus practiced..is more conducive to reaching hearts and guiding them back..if by being loving and tolerant you just might save a lost soul..and that lost soul being saved through your loving tolerance just might save another lost soul or two..

          142. mac12sam12 says

            It is true because I’ve seen it done. A business owner can refuse to do business with anyone he chooses. Funny how you gays don’t try a muslim bakery or try to get married in a Mosque. Have a good day, Princess!!

          143. IJR says

            It is true because you have seen it?
            Rules are a little different for guns and for catering.

            A business owner can not refuse service to a customer based on sexual orientation.
            It is funny that you think it is legal for a business to discriminate.

            How do you know gays have not tried to get married in a mosque or gone to a muslim bakery, what ever that is?

            It must be rough what you are going through. All the queers getting gay married in your trailer park, making out on the stoop of your double wide, making you slowly but surely be gay.

          144. mac12sam12 says

            We have a 1st amendment and one of the points of the first amendment is freedom of religion. So it’s the church or bakery’s choice.

            I also live in a nice house that I paid off in only ten years. You would consider my tool shed luxury accommodations, Princess.

          145. Cookie Vranish says

            The queer discriminates by being abnormal! They have mental problems and should be hospitalized! With good treatment, they could be straightened out!

          146. IJR says

            Being abnormal is protected by the Constitution. No one had the right to not be offended.
            Are you going to raise taxes and force gays into treatment?

            You tax and spend liberals hate freedom.

          147. Jack says

            IRJ, PUTTING ONE MANS PHALLUS IN ANOTHER MANS MOUTH IS PERVERSION, NOT LOVE.

          148. IJR says

            Is that English?

            The Constitution protects all Americans, even perverts and queers.
            You are going to have to move or get rid of the Constitution to stop that.
            Standing between you and the Constitution is me and a bucnh of patriots, heavily armed. Maybe moving would be the better idea.

          149. SUZANNE M. says

            …… AND IF YOU THINK MARRIED COUPLES DON’T PARTICIPATE IN THIS ACTIVITY……YOU ARE SO NAIVE.

          150. Jack says

            Suzanne; I’m well aware that what you say does go on but to me and quite a lot of others it’s a perversion, and it’s not a sense of priority. To each his own but it still doesn’t make it right. It depends how how much respect you have for your partner.

          151. SUZANNE M. says

            IF YOU, MR. JACK, DO NOT WISH TO DO WHATEVER, THAT IS YOUR CHOICE. JUST AS IT IS OTHERS CHOICE TO DO WHAT THEY DO. GOD GAVE PEOPLE THE GIFT OF CHOICE AND WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO IN THEIR PRIVACY IS NOT ANYONES BUSINESS.DO YOU NOT THINK GOD KNOWS WHAT HIS PEOPLE WILL DO? HE IS AFTERALL , ALL KNOWING. I DON’T MAKE OTHER PEOPLES PRIVATE LIVES A PRIORITY, ACCEPT WHEN ASKED OR IF I SEE A NEED THAT I CAN FILL….SEX ISN’T ONE OF THEM.

          152. Jack says

            Suzanne, To type in all caps is to most posters considered screaming. Either way that’s your choice, it’s easier to read for folks with a vision problem.
            It also appears by the wording of your reply that you agree with those that practice oral sex, and yes God knows what your doing and also condemns that practice, God also said if a man and a woman marry the go and propogate not fornicate.

          153. SUZANNE M. says

            THEN WHY PRAY TELL, DID HE GIVE US THE ABILITY TO HAVE ORGASMS……..YOU DON’T NEED TO HAVE ONE IN ORDER TO PROCREATE. I BELIEVE GOD WANTED US TO HAVE LOVE AND PLEASURE . SOUNDS AS IF YOU THINK THATS WRONG. AND IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY MY BLUNTNESS…..IT IS IN FACT TRUTH. DEAL WITH IT.

          154. Jack says

            Suzanne; My dear woman the following statement you made is strictly out of Science Fiction, explain to me why if you don’t have a Paroxysm you can still procreate?
            You said this not I;
            “THEN WHY PRAY TELL, DID HE GIVE US THE ABILITY TO HAVE ORGASMS……..YOU DON’T NEED TO HAVE ONE IN ORDER TO PROCREATE.”

            You talk in a ass backwards language, what are you trying to say that makes sense?

          155. SUZANNE M. says

            can’t you comprehend? GOD help the men to understand.

          156. SUZANNE M. says

            LET ME BE BLUNT…..MEN DRIBBLE BEFORE THEY SHOOT. WE GAVE US THE ABILITY TO HAVE ORGASM FOR PLEASURE AS WELL AS PROCREATION…HOW OLD ARE YOU?

          157. Jack says

            SUZANNE; You made this dumb statement, “THEN WHY PRAY TELL, DID HE GIVE US THE ABILITY TO HAVE ORGASMS……..YOU DON’T NEED TO HAVE ONE IN ORDER TO PROCREATE.” When men dribble they are not having an organism. Are you saying that you are trying to do Invitro Fertilization by collecting a mans dribble in a tube and injecting in a person?
            It’s bad enough to get on a forum of opinions and put up with Looney Tunes characters, but to put up with and even bother answering a babbling fool like you is lunacy. Don’t bother replying I won’t waste my time with you.

          158. SUZANNE M. says

            oh well, you are male after all . that’s okay, I didn’t say they were having an orgasm if they “dribble”. sperm can come out without having an orgasm. thank you for your kind description of me. and you did in fact answer my “babbling”. and I really don’t care if people reply. my ego just isn’t that needy. bless your heart.

          159. IJR says

            Still waiting for a source on that. It is funny that people think a business owner actually has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

            A handwritten sign in a store does not make it law.

            If you want, google “refusal of service laws.”

            Looking forward to your source.
            Have a great day. Boo queers, right?

          160. gerald Hughes says

            Adjust your sanitary napkin faggo, you have the feces smell coming from both ends again.

          161. jim_wright says

            A gun store can and has refused service many times if they don’t trust a person.

          162. IJR says

            Gun stores have much different rules than bakeries.
            Gun stores can not refuse service to a suitable customer that is gay.

          163. irish1919 says

            Secular law cannot super cede anyone’s constitutional rights. It has but dies not make it legal. Show me where it says they do. Besides where would the first Ammendment come to play for a gun store owner?? Apples and oranges . Get real

          164. IJR says

            The Constitution you are talking about does not allow you to discriminate based on your religion. You can practice it, but not discriminate.

          165. gerald Hughes says

            Your rights quit where mine begins liberal dem bloodsucking scum bag

          166. IJR says

            Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.

          167. gerald Hughes says

            Oh you scum are going to get justice alright, promise you that.

          168. IJR says

            When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.

          169. gerald Hughes says

            Not to worry, liberal dem bloodsucking parasite, you will know terror , when we are done with you.

          170. IJR says

            Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

          171. gerald Hughes says

            Righteous?
            You are a theiving lying low life liberal dem bloodsucking parasite/

          172. SUZANNE M. says

            WOW………YOU REALLY ARE A BIBLE THUMPER……..OR MAYBE YOU SEE YOURSELF AS GOD….HMMMMMM

          173. IJR says

            Calm down, maybe break the pills in half.

          174. SUZANNE M. says

            YOU SOUND LIKE A FEW REVERENDS THAT WOULD STAND ON THEIR PULPITS ON SUNDAYS AND SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF INGNORANT PEOPLE TO DEGRADE AND EMBARASS AND HUMILIATE THEM. THEY ARE THEN VERY REASON I DON’T DO CHURCH.

          175. IJR says

            What is the reason you do not do calm and mellow?
            Psychosis or immaturity?

          176. SUZANNE M. says

            PEOPLE LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE ARROGANT , ELITIST, AND REALLY DO BELIEVE YOUR ABOVE THE REST OF US. HOW DO YOU KNOW I’M NOT CALM. IAM,,,,,,JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU READ WHAT I POST….OBVIOUSLY YOU DO. I AM JUST ONE MORE OF YOUR INTELLECTUAL PUNCHING BAGS…..GLAD TO BE OF SERVICE.

          177. IJR says

            You need counseling.

          178. SUZANNE M. says

            ODDLY ENOUGH,,, I DID GO INTO THERAPY 17 YEARS AGO AND MY THERAPIST TOLD ME I WOULD MAKE A GOOD ONE. SO YOU GOT YOUR WISH LONG BEFORE YOU EVEN PUT YOUR JUNK ON THE INTERNET. HAVE A MARVELOUS WEEK. YOU NEED SOME GOOD IN YOUR EXISTENCE, YOU ARE SO NEGATIVE. BLESS YOUR LITTLE HEART. NOW I’M GOING TO WAIT FOR YOUR RESPONSE……..

          179. IJR says

            Therapist, lol. You should get a life coach now.
            Stop yelling, idiot.

          180. SUZANNE M. says

            I AM ACTUALLY GETTING A BIT OF A KICK OUT OF THE FACT THAT I AM GETTING TO YOU. YOU SOUND LIKE A STIFF BOARD THAT NEEDS TO GET HUGS………KEEP ‘EM COMING!

          181. IJR says

            Getting to me? Lol
            Run along dumb child.

          182. SUZANNE M. says

            A LIFE COACH WOULD TELL YOU …..YEAH….NO, I DON’T THINK SO….THERE IS NO HOPE FOR YOU.

          183. IJR says

            Your therapist was terrible.

          184. IJR says

            Do,you know what an ellipsis is?

          185. SUZANNE M. says

            ……O WELL…..LET ME SEE DO I HAVE A CHOICE? I AM SITTING HERE AS CALM AS CAN BE. GET OVER IT. I’LL USE CAPS IF I WANT TO . I DON’T TELL YOU TO WRITE IN SMALL CAPS , BECAUSE , HONESTLY IJR, I DON’T GIVE A DARN.

          186. IJR says

            That is the thing, you can do what ever you want.

            If you want to be a rude child that ignores context and is completely irrelevant and ignorant while being a rude child, that is your perogative.

            That is the great thing about this country, all people, queers and idiots like you have freedom.

          187. SUZANNE M. says

            ……WELL NOW…..WHY AREN’T YOU OUR PRESIDENT THEN? YOU ARE SO SUPERIOR.

          188. IJR says

            I have never had any desire to be a politician. Try to relate.

            You have never had the desire to be a decent, cogent or even tolerable.

          189. SUZANNE M. says

            I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO TO BETTER THE PEOPLE YOU FIND SO “DEPLORABLE” DO YOU DO ANYTHING FOR YOUR COMMUNITY BESIDES FINDING FAULT…….GOD ….YOU ARE SO LUCKY TO BE SO PERFECT.

          190. IJR says

            Calm down, you are going to make yourself sick.

          191. irish1919 says

            I’m curious as to what the initials IJR stand for. Anyone?

          192. IJR says

            I am 10% Irish, last name O’Reilly.
            So I am only 10% trash.

          193. renkentom says

            The rest 90% is stupid and you can’t change stupid. Go vote for your troll Hillary and be done with it.

          194. IJR says

            Why would I vote for a criminal?
            Would you refuse to serve the Irish?
            I would if the Constitution allowed it.

          195. joe says

            so you are a wife beater huh

          196. IJR says

            If your nickname is wife, yep.

          197. SUZANNE M. says

            WOULD YOU ….PLEASE EXPLANIN TO ALL …..WHO IS ACTUALLY ACCPTABLE TO YOU……IT’S SOUNDS AS IF YOU HAVE SET YOURSELF UP AS JUDGE AND JURY TO THE REST OF US……QUITE HONESTLY …I COULD CARE LESS WHO YOU ARE BUT WHAT YOU DO IS ON THE SIDE OF SANCTIMONIOUS RIGHT FIGHTER.DO YOU EVER MAKE AN ERROR?

          198. IJR says

            If you want to be taken seriously stop with all the caps.

          199. SUZANNE M. says

            IT WORKED…….YOU READ…….YOU RESPONDED. JUST SO YOU KNOW, I REALLY AM NOT YELLING. I LIKE BREAKING TECHNOLOGY MANNERS AND PROTOCOL! SMILE

          200. IJR says

            You are yelling. Stop abusing the poor ellipsis.

          201. SUZANNE M. says

            WE…….AS……A…..HUMAN RACE…..HAVE ” AS YOU SAY, TRASH, IN OUR PAST”

          202. IJR says

            That was tongue in cheek. I think you are mad at the wrong person. I love the Constitution.

          203. SUZANNE M. says

            SO…..DO……I…….!

          204. sox83cubs84 says

            Ignorant Jerkwad Reprobate.

          205. gerald Hughes says

            International jerk registry

          206. joe says

            I would have just shit in the cake and sold it to them for ten times the cost

          207. SUZANNE M. says

            NOT NICE….WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT?

          208. IJR says

            You are a classy person and not trash at all.

          209. gerald Hughes says

            just the 180 degree opposite of you eh liberal dem bloodsucking parasite?

          210. IJR says

            Shun profane and vain babblings, for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

          211. gerald Hughes says

            The military will love you They will probably post your name and address, tomorrow.
            The rest of it, not going anywhere we will have it for you liberal dem bloodsucking parasitical scum from now on.

          212. IJR says

            When you go out to war against your enemies, and see horses and chariots and an army larger than your own, you shall not be afraid of them, for the Lord your God is with you, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt.

          213. gerald Hughes says

            Send sanitary napkins to the pervert.

          214. Cookie Vranish says

            He never said that! Before you shoot your mouth, get the facts!

          215. IJR says

            Who never said what?

          216. David SoMo says

            The entire United States is covered by the Federal Civil Rights Act
            of 1964, which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of
            public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national
            origin. Places of “public accommodation” include hotels, restaurants,
            theaters, banks, health clubs and stores. Nonprofit organizations such
            as churches are generally exempt from the law.

            The right of public accommodation is also guaranteed to disabled
            citizens under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which prohibits
            discrimination by private businesses based on disability.

            The federal law does not prohibit discrimination based on sexual
            orientation, so gays are not a protected group under the federal law.
            However, about 20 states, including New York and California, have
            enacted laws that prohibit discrimination in public accommodations based
            on sexual orientation. In California, you also can’t discriminate based
            on someone’s unconventional dress. In some states, like Arizona,
            there’s no state law banning discrimination against gays, but there are
            local laws in some cities that prohibit sexual orientation
            discrimination.

            https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/the-right-to-refuse-service-can-a-business-refuse-service-to-someone-because-of-appearance

          217. SUZANNE M. says

            YOU sir, ARE A BIGOT. A WHITE MAN IN A SUIT, UNLESS OF COURS THAT PHOTO IS FAKE TRYING TO THROW PEOPLE.

          218. IJR says

            You are a rude child that will not stop yelling.

          219. SUZANNE M. says

            BUT I AM NOT A BIGOT………..

          220. IJR says

            Neither am I. You are a rude moron though.

          221. SUZANNE M. says

            YOU ARE BIGOTTED TOWARD GAYS…..AND REALLY UNREASONABLY SO. HMMMMMMMMM! IF YOUR PICTURE IS REALLY YOU ,WILLIAM F. BUCKLY MUST BE TURNING OVER IN HIS GRAVE. YOU COULD BE HIS TWIN BROTHER……….

          222. IJR says

            You do not know what the word bigot means. lol

          223. IJR says

            You could be John Merrick’s twin.

          224. SUZANNE M. says

            NOW WE KNOW YOU ARE HIS TWIN.

          225. IJR says

            You really aare a special kind of stupid.

          226. SUZANNE M. says

            EXACTLY….WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? THAT YOU CALL HUMAN BEINGS YOU DON’T AGREE WITH BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL PREFERENCE AND THE WORD YOU USE TO DESCRIBE THEM IS BIGGOTED,….SO YES YOUR A BIGOT!

          227. IJR says

            You really are a terrific idiot. I am all for the queers having the same rights as eveyone else, even turds like you. I have never disagreed with anyone due to their sexual preference, moron.

            Does a rose by any other name smell so sweet? Is Suzanne still a complete idiot if she stops using caps like a rude child?

            It is queer how much of an idiot you are.

          228. donkeyshowmc says

            ok, where does the constitution say that? and the article states that they have served gay people, they just don’t want to be a participant in something they don’ believe in.

          229. IJR says

            Yay, apparently I am a civics teacher for you “adults.”
            The equal protection clause.

            I read the article Big Guy.
            Catering a wedding is not participating in it. My caterers did not participate in my wedding.

            If you have a business you can not refuse service to people based on their sexual orientation.

            The Constitution allows you to practice religion, not to discriminate because of it.

          230. dinkerduo says

            THIS HAS **NOTHING** TO DO WITH THE CONSTITUTION SO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE!!! EVERY BUSINESS HAS THE RIGHT TO REFUSE THEIR SERVICES TO ANYONE WITHOUT ESPLANATIO AND DO SO WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS!!! THAT’S THE LAW!!! YOU GAYS JUST WANT TO PUSH-PUSH-PUSH THE REST OF US TO ACCEPT YOUR GARBAGE AND THIS HAS ONLY HAPPENED SINCE THE HOMOSEXUAL MUSLIM OBOZO GOT INTO OFFICE!!!

          231. IJR says

            Stop yelling.
            Show me the law, lol, that says a business can refuse sevice for any reason.

            You are going to have a heart attack, the gays are really getting under your skin.

          232. tedthetruther says

            Just go shove your doohicky into another guys whatsamacallit. I am sure you will enjoy it. Just make sure to rinse well when done.

          233. IJR says

            Why would I do that? I am not a dirty queer dumb dumb.
            God is going to smote the crap out of all the queers later.

            God apparently can not stop queers from having the same rights you and I do.

          234. donkeyshowmc says

            I did a little research and found out that you were right. I should have known that.

          235. renkentom says

            They were asked to participate by catering to a gay wedding, which is a far cry from serving gays or anyone else who wanders into their business. Big difference. The thing that bothered me the most about this story is that here we have a business that served gay patrons who came back more than once as satisfied customers. These same customers used an opportunity to sue. Instead of going elsewhere they seized the opportunity to get a bankroll, regardless of the consequences to the bakery owners. Some gays would say they did it for their cause. I say they were poor examples of human beings. My comment to the Kliens is that when God closes one door he opens another far better than the one he closed.

          236. irish1919 says

            Maybe they didn’t know it but they said they would and have served them. They will not make a wedding cake which is against their religious beliefs. Much different . I believe they will eventually win their case. It is a first amendment right. Nothing in the constitution that says if you are a business owner you lose your first amendment right. The gay community is a sorry lot and I hope the state is sued millions . Like maybe 100,000,000. Nice round number. See how the gay community likes that. Shame on them for their illegal suit.

          237. IJR says

            Caterers or bakers can not refuse service based on sexual orientation.
            You have the right to practice religion, but nyoumdo not have the right to discriminate because of your religion.

            Why do you hate the Constitution?

          238. joe says

            You are not really that smart are you.

          239. IJR says

            You didn’t read the article, did you? lol

          240. gerald Hughes says

            You didn’t read your birth certtificate, did you, quit pretending to be human.

          241. IJR says

            But they refused to pay attention and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears from hearing.

          242. gerald Hughes says

            You mean, enough of the feces got past your sanitary napkin to stop up your ears, liberal dem bloodsucking parasitical scumbag?

          243. IJR says

            Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.

          244. gerald Hughes says

            Uh huh here are some words for you, leave us alone, or pay the price.

          245. gerald Hughes says

            We don’t hate the conatitutiomn we hat the low life liberal dem bloodsuckers. parasite.

          246. IJR says

            For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?

          247. gerald Hughes says

            Ask for weapons and kevlar low life liberal dem bloodsucking parasite, that is what you will need.

          248. IJR says

            No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment.

          249. gerald Hughes says

            may I suggest that you walk out into the Arizona desert lie down and ingest rat poison, then as your body decomposes, and enriches the shoddy soil beneath you, finally you will have achieved a measureof worth.

          250. IJR says

            “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

          251. gerald Hughes says

            Yoiu have nothing liberal dem bloodsucking parasite, kill yourself

          252. jim_wright says

            There is nothing in the constitution giving the government the right to force you to violate your religious beliefs.

          253. IJR says

            No one is forcing them.
            When they got their business license they agreed to abide by the rules, regulations and laws.

            If you do not want to have to serve gays, do not open a business.

            The Constitution allows you to practice your religion, it does not allow you to discriminate based on it.

          254. tedthetruther says

            Sorry IJR,
            The constitution does not say any where that homosexuals must be served by all and that your depraved lifestyle must be accepted as normal. We don’t care if you do your own thing with your fellow homosexuals but many normal people do not wish to participate. As hard as you push we are not going to accept you as normal. Just do your own thing. We do not try to push a heterosexual lifestyle on you.

          255. IJR says

            The law, the courts and yes, the Constitution disagrees with you.

            It is cute when dumb dumbs like you try to make me mad by calling me queer.
            You are going to have to accept that queers have the same rights you and I do. Why not take solice that God will smote the crap out of all the queers later? Does that help?

          256. joe says

            you really need to get back in the closet you funny little man

          257. IJR says

            You think I am queer because I report the facts about the Constitution and how we all have rights, even the dirty queers?

            Awesome.

            I imagine you are some sort of Constutional scholar but you do not want to debate.

          258. gerald Hughes says

            Why wouold he debate you liberal dem bloodsucking parasite?
            Just wait 2 years we will separate ourselves form you and forget about you.

          259. IJR says

            A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

          260. gerald Hughes says

            Can’t I hate your worthless low life liberal dembloodsucking parasitical fanny

          261. IJR says

            There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

          262. Marie Saqueton says

            That is God’s SECOND greatest commandment since our creation, and not a new one. But God also said that if your brother or sister is in the dark counsel him or her, and if they don’t listen, take them to another for counsel, and if they don’t listen, take them to a priest and if they still do not listen, then leave them to heaven. Catholics and Christians will never accept the lifestyle and sexual choice of gays and lesbians as normal, but that does not mean that we do not love them, because we do, as they are still God’s children and our bothers and sisters in Christ. What they do with their God’s gift of FREE WILL is their business, but they do not have the right to demand from us to accept their unnatural behavior. We condemn the DEED but never the DOER….understand?

          263. IJR says

            DOO DAH
            DOO DAH

          264. gerald Hughes says

            Adjust your sanitary napking pervert you are stinking up the area again

          265. IJR says

            My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

          266. gerald Hughes says

            I don’t want to save you from death, i want you to die in the streets from lack of medical care

          267. IJR says

            Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

          268. gerald Hughes says

            Forgive you, you bet, as soona s all of you low life liberal dem bloodsucking scum die in the streets,

          269. Marie Saqueton says

            You seem to preach a lot about the gospel but are you following it? The way you defend the unnatural union of humans is against God’s law and you come out as a hypocrite, so what are you?

          270. IJR says

            Where did I defend it? You hate the messanger instead of the message, it is odd.

          271. Marie Saqueton says

            It depends on what TRUTH you are preaching. Is it from God or from man’s flawed truth? Not everyone who speaks of God is of God. Satan is the greatest deceiver and his triumph is to convince man that there is no God.

          272. IJR says

            I was not talking to you.

          273. joe says

            forcing them to bake a cake for freaks is forcing them to participate you dimwit

          274. IJR says

            Nice, I knew you didn’t read the article. The bakers have made cakes for them before, full well knowing they are lesbians.
            Have some one read the article to you and explain what the big words mean.
            This dimwit read the article, what does that make you?

            LOL

          275. gerald Hughes says

            Lot smarter than you evidently, low life liberal dem bloodsucking parasite/.

          276. IJR says

            And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

          277. gerald Hughes says

            How would you know, liberal dem bloodsucking parasitical scumbags are not conversant with truth?

          278. IJR says

            A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge.

          279. gerald Hughes says

            Truly, ;liberal dem bloodsucking parasitical scum bag you msut be one wicked dude, you don’t seem to understand anything

          280. IJR says

            Whoever restrains his words has knowledge, and he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding.

          281. gerald Hughes says

            If you are a man of understanding adjust your sanitary napkin, i can smell your posts before I open them, liberal dem bloodsucking pervert.

          282. Marie Saqueton says

            Exactly as I explained in my previous posts, the Baker serviced them in the past knowing that they are lesbians, but the wedding cake with two women figures on top of the cake is a PRODUCT THEY DID NOT WANT TO MAKE, PROMOTING A SINFUL UNION WHICH IS AGAINST THEIR FAITH, and the theme of the wedding is what crossed the line, because then we are talking about condoning the marriage of a woman to a woman. CHRISTIANS AND CATHOLICS ARE TOLERANT OF GAYS AND LESBIANS TO DO THEIR WILL, but please do not ask us to participate in your choice of a lifestyle, that will violate our religion as we do not ask you to participate in our spiritual journey as well.That is just fair. for all.

          283. IJR says

            Calm down, stop yelling.

          284. gerald Hughes says

            You are a bare faced liar, Oregon pass those laws after they opened the business.

          285. IJR says

            You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

          286. gerald Hughes says

            About 3 more posts like these they may posy your name and address today, liberal dem bloodsucking parasitical scum bag

          287. IJR says

            You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

          288. gerald Hughes says

            Uh huh be sure and turn your other chheek to me low life liberal dem bloodsucking parasitical scum bag.

          289. IJR says

            If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless

          290. gerald Hughes says

            Certainly you are an authority on worthless, low life liberal dem scumbag

          291. Marie Saqueton says

            The media made it about the gays but the Baker’s argument is about the two figures on top of the cake of two women or two men as husband and wife, that is a product they will not make, because it is against their religion. The 2 minutes sound bites of our current inept mainstream media is the cause of all our problems now. They are motivated by the communists to provoke civil unrest and get their “puppet” or oligarchy to rule forever. That is the malicious intent of the M/M behind all these.

          292. IJR says

            They have made their choice and are paying the price for it.
            They made cakes for gays before.
            I enjoyed reading the rest of your babbling.

          293. Cookie Vranish says

            A business should always have the right to walk away from business! They would be a hell of a lot smarter if they would just say OK and then never get it done on time! Don’t fight them, outsmart them!

          294. IJR says

            If you want that, you are going to have to move to another country or get rid of the Constitution.

            Between you and the Constitution will be me and a bunch of other patriots and we are heavily armed. I suggest moving.

            If you owned a business, lol, and acted irresponsibly like that the customers would probably go to yelp and give you horrible reviews and sue you. The queers love suing people.

            Have a great day.

          295. irish1919 says

            It’s a tragic thing to never know the vision of our Founding Fathers but act as though you do. This is exactly what’s going on in our country today and it’s causing America a greater harm than any ever faced.

            You’re about to read something you and I were never taught in school – the true intent of our First Amendment’s freedom of religion.

            Meet a man named Joseph Story. Joseph Story was appointed to Supreme Court Justice by James Madison, the Father of our Constitution and also the fourth President of our country. Justice Story served from 1812 to 1845 as Supreme Court Justice. He was also a U.S. Congressman from 1808 to 1809 and a Harvard Law School Professor from 1821 to 1845. He comments on the First Amendment:

            “The real object of the First Amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical patronage of the national government.” [J. Story, III, Commentaries on the Constitution [section] 1871 (1833)]

            Let me restate what the Honorable Justice Story is saying in contemporary language:

            “The real intent of the First Amendment was not to approve or support, much less to advance Islam, Judaism, or other unfaithfulness, Atheism included, by submissively and willfully incapacitating Christianity, but to prevent all competition among Christian denominations for national government sponsorship and to prevent our national government from choosing one of these denominations to establish a national church.”

            James Madison appointed Justice Story because they were like-minded. We have an abundance of examples today to show us that presidents only appoint those who will help them achieve or maintain their goals. How much more for the Father of the Constitution seeking to preserve the country founded on the document he helped author? It’s entirely right to conclude that James Madison and Joseph Story knew what they were talking about. It’s absurd to think that people would argue with James Madison about the meaning of the document he wrote. It appears, however, that they would even if he were here today!

            Context is key. Our Founding Fathers had one religion on their minds when they wrote the Constitution – Christianity. They were not interested in the same thing happening in the new country they were creating that had happened in England – a state-established church as in Christian church.

            As unpopular as this truth is today, the First Amendment does not guarantee the protection of the practice of any other religion but Christianity. Its purpose is to guarantee and protect our freedom to practice all Christian denominations equally without our government forcing one denomination on us all.

            Additionally, if it was ever to be found that another religious belief was violating a person’s freedom to practice Christianity, the Christian would be protected by this right. Christianity would be preserved.

            An anticipation of the conflict of beliefs necessarily means that the First Amendment does indeed allow the freedom of other religions to be practiced but not at the expense of that freedom, which, in this country is afforded by Christianity and ultimately God. Again, there is allowance but no guarantee of the freedom of all religions to be practiced in our country.

            In other words, freedom is not to be practiced to the detriment of itself and, therefore, religion in our country is not to be practiced to the detriment of Christianity.

            This built-in anticipation of an imposing conflict of beliefs demonstrates the true genius of our Founding Fathers in that they understood freedom needs to be protected.

            We have an innumerable amount of examples today that demonstrate the need to protect freedom. The simple truth of it is this: man being what he is, without a guaranteed freedom there is no freedom. Consequently, without a guaranteed freedom to practice Christianity there is no freedom to practice it.

            Sadly, our country, and the world, has lost sight of the value of freedom as evidenced by a misunderstanding of what it is, resulting in a general lack of respect for its maintenance. Freedom does have a rule, the rule of responsibility, and it needs to be maintained or it won’t exist. If this apathy continues, the result will be the loss of all freedoms for everyone.

            Let’s consider these things as we celebrate the birth of our country.

          296. IJR says

            Not going to read a long cut and paste.
            That is basically spam and notmyour opinion.

          297. irish1919 says

            Not opinion . It is fact. Of course I realize you are a smart guy. You own your own facts and all. Too bad you can’t open up your mind to the truth. You can’t face the fact that the left wing justices have rewritten parts of the constitution to correspond with their political stance. They have no right to interpret the constitution . It is written as it was intended and religious freedom needs no interpretation . Madison wrote it and I am sure he was well aware of his intent . This is not about my opinion . It’s about history. Personally I knew you wouldn’t read it because you have all the answers. Actually you are getting very tiresome , mr. smart guy.

          298. IJR says

            I am not very smart.

          299. IJR says

            Link?

          300. Marie Saqueton says

            Thank you Sir,your post is one of the greatest posts I have ever read in this forum. Please continue to enlighten those in the dark, especially the self absorbed and narcissistic ones who are bent on deceiving others of weak minds. Thanks again.

          301. irish1919 says

            No, thank you. You have an open mind and are not afraid to stand up and defend yourself from those who have only treachery in their hearts and darkness in their souls. Our country needs people to stand up to the evil which is present . Our forefathers saw this coming. Our Lord told us how to prepare for salvation. No one gets to God without going through Him. I plan on accepting Gods grace. God bless you.

          302. IJR says

            Yeah, liberals suck.
            What are you doing?

          303. sox83cubs84 says

            Don’t expect this troll to take your advice. Like most liberals, he can’t deal with the truth.

      2. irish1919 says

        None. They aren’t Christian. The gays just can never stop . They can go to other bakery’s but they hate God and want to punish people who love and honor Him. They are a disgusting lot and I do have a problem with their actions. They are burdened by their sexuality because they know God made them a male or female . It’s why most are Godless. God didn’t made man and woman . Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve. Or Eve and Ava. One man, one woman. The bakery owners are on the right side with God.

        1. IJR says

          God will smite thise dirty queers because they have the same rights you and I do.

          1. william couch says

            LETS START WITH THE 2 HOMO’S IN THE WH!!!!

          2. IJR says

            Go ahead and pray to God to strike them down if you want.

          3. william couch says

            I do everyday. But to no avail. sickle cell anemia hasn’t taken it’s toile as of yet, no aids.

          4. IJR says

            I was joking. Praying to God that someone dies is really bad for your soul and does not make Jesus happy.

            Even if they are turds.

          5. william couch says

            I understand. But these barbarians are destroying our history. MOOOOOOOOOOHAMALID,,,,,,,,, would send out the army to fight his battles for him, stay home fornicate the children & there women.

          6. IJR says

            Ocrumba seems to live in your head and your heart and takes up a lot of space. He will be gone in January, take a deep breath.

          7. william couch says

            Your right about that.. He destroyed my family

          8. John E. Lambert says

            Obama destroyed your family? Sounds like an “I’ve-gotta-blame-someone-so-it-might-as-well-be Obama” statement..I doubt that Obama or anyone else but YOU caused you to “lose your family”..if I’m wrong..I apologize..bit it just doesn’t sound even remotely plausibe..

          9. william couch says

            !!SODD OFF!! YOU DON’T FUCKING KNOW WHAT YOU’RE FUCKING TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

          10. SUZANNE M. says

            could you kindly clean up your mouth. we are listening to you. you sound like you are a very hurt person. I am being honest here.

          11. IJR says

            Nice job not yelling. Could you continue to not yell, it is rude.

          12. Walter Flatt says

            SORRY, A LOT OF PEOPLE CANNOT SEE AS GOOD AS YOU AND THEY DESERVE TO BE ABLE TO READ AND LEARN THE TRUTH. SORRY, BUT I USE CAPS AND WILL ALWAYS. IT IS NOT RUDE TO HELP NEAR BLIND PEOPLE.

          13. IJR says

            The near blind can change the font size. You are just being an ahole.

          14. John E. Lambert says

            Suzanne..that’s coming from one who can’t get his head out of his own ahole because that’s where he gets his best thoughts..

          15. IJR says

            Did your parents have any children that lived?

          16. John E. Lambert says

            Your age is showing with that WAAAAY outdated attempt to shame someone. I believe that line originated when the last two dinosaurs were about to die off.

          17. IJR says

            I still do not understand why you are so mad at me because queers sued a bakery. You must be a special kind of stupid.

          18. John E. Lambert says

            I’m not mad at you because (as you put it) “queers sued a bakery”..in fact I’m not MAD at you at all..I merely pointed out to you that they had a right to sue the bakery owner under man’s law..and that you are not their judge..God is..you’really the one that took offense to that concept..

          19. IJR says

            I will admit to judging you for your ellipsis abuse, but calling a gay person a queer is not judging. Queer means strange or odd. Gay people are strange and odd relative to the majority of the population. That is not judgement.

            Where did I take offense to god judging queers and every one else? I think god should judge the crap out of every one and get back to some good old fashioned smiting.

            I think you are a mad and confused little guy.

          20. ABO says

            I seriously believe that IJR is not capable of normal, critical thought, John. Not worth responding to.

          21. SUZANNE M. says

            I’LL THINK ABOUT IT……NO….I THINK NOT.

          22. IJR says

            You are a complete idiot with no redeeming features. Instead of discussing the relevant issues, you just yell about nothing. Why not calm down and have a nice warm cup of bleach?

          23. SUZANNE M. says

            YOU REALLY ARE SICK.GOD HELP THOSE WHO ARE IN YOUR LIFE.

          24. IJR says

            You are a moron with no redeeming features.
            Did you read the aricle yet?

          25. IJR says

            Stomp your feet and yell like a child.

          26. ABO says

            A sick, twisted liberal lemming he is Suzanne, and a lowlife troll as well. Not worth a response.

          27. John E. Lambert says

            !!Sodd off!! That’s ALWAYS Mr. Sofa..uh I mean..Mr. Couch’s way of dealing with someone who effectively destroys his argument(s) to the point he can’t defend them..

          28. irish1919 says

            He probably means Obamas policies were devastating to he and his family. I know from personal stories that Obamacare was the single most devastating bill in the history of this country. All those promises this President made were bold face lies. Unelected beauracrats wrote Obamacare and not one single republican voted for it. If the Dems hadn’t had such a large majority in congress it would not have passed . Never in the history of this country had a major bill been passed without people in the opposite party voting for it. It was shoved down our throats in the middle of the night and passed congress by 5 votes . Some 30 or so Dems voted against it. The democrats own it and now are stuck with it lock stock and barrel. It is falling apart as millions are not buying into it. States are opting out and costs are escalating and those 25 million they so wanted to service, are not insured plus millions more who liked their policy are no longer insured . It is a trillion dollar failure and as usual the Dems will not admit that they once again made a huge mistake . What do Dems say when their policy’s always fail. Well, we had good intentions . News flash!! Stay out of our lives. Any decision to be made when it concerns me or my family is not your decision. Democrats always leave a trail of death and misery wherever they travel. No republican even a RINO can be blamed for this disaster called Obama care because the Affordable Care Act is neither affordable or provides quality care. It should have been called the unaffordable non-care act. So you see millions of people have an expected disregard for Obama. He has caused tens of millions of Americans grief and hardship. All thanks to one party. This was never the way Anerica was intended to operate . Hillary is only a continuation of Obama. She is only part of the problem not the solution. She is an elitist who looks down on Americans even those who vote for her. Her thirst for power takes precedence over anyone else . The Clinton foundation is a great example of Hillary being for Hillary. Ask the Haitians. They give 10% of the money to charity and 90% to enrich themselves . Always about Hillary . I personally don’t think if she wins she will get through the year. This should be a huge deal when voting for a president. Not to the left . Then we would get Kaine. Really? The debate showed what a lame president he would be. Country is at a crossroads and too many people are either disinterested(advantage democrats) or just plain clueless(again advantage democrats) Its worked for Dems in the past, perhaps not this time . I know many democrats (never thought I’d see it) who will not vote for Hillary. I am the first to admit that I will vote for the better of 2 disappointing canidates. Trump has his sins to reckon with, but his sins are nowhere as large as Hillarys and Bills. Trump did not rape anyone let alone many and he is not connected with a long list of mysterious deaths . 34 and counting not counting Benghazi. So Trump is much more redeemable than Hillary.

          29. glorybe2 says

            For most people Obama Care is working rather well and it will work better in the future as it is perfected. The best answer is to go to the Canadian system of health care but the right wing fought and fought to keep that impossible. That meant that the cost of medical care continued to climb out of all proportion to other goods and services. I recently had a five minute appointment with a hand surgeon who complained to the insurance company that he could only charge $600. for that five minute appointment. Without controlling the earnings of people and firms within the medical industry medical care will eventually destroy our nation just as Obama wisely said before we got Obama care.

          30. irish1919 says

            Let me see. Why did the democrats shove this bill through on Christmas Eve with absolutely 0 as in zero votes from the other side and eventually passing it by 5 votes which they controlled by some 40 people or more majority? Because this president wanted it as his legacy . Socialized medicine for his legacy . Why do Canadians with such a wonderful system of healthcare come to the US for major surgery?? Can’t get attention for months as in many months which put their lives in jeopardy. Healthcare is not free. The socialists tell everyone free health care because the government is paying for it. Really? Where does the money come to pay for it???? The tax payer of course. Any socialized health care system only survives until the cost far outweighs the care. Guess what? This is a trillion dollar plus policy we are stuck with. The elitists are so typical. Take the greatest health care system in the world and turn it into third world healthcare. The left is so bent of covering 25 million people many of who didn’t want health insurance (chose not to get coverage) and many who could have heath insurance through state programs who didn’t have a clue they existed .No one in this country went without medical care. Sorry but any hospital is obligated to take care of anyone who needs it. How do you think over ten million illegals had health care. So now the gap is even larger because millions of people lost their policies and others lost their doctors. All these lies by Obama, Pelosi and Reid. The Dems own this disaster called (the affordable care act) quite hilarious if it wasn’t so sad, It is unaffordable with no quality of care. Why do these socialists continue to add huge government programs. Power. There is not one government program that is sustainable . If it were we wouldn’t have a 20+ trillion dollar deficit( over 10 trillion by Obama alone) and let’s not forget about our unfunded liabilities of some 47 trillion dollars. When will a free people wake up and see how government is not a cure for the people but a never ending sickness. Obamacare is failing miserably. They need all these healthy young people to pay in to keep it above water and the young people are smarter than they think. They don’t need it. They will pay the fine and not buy in until such time as they get a serious illness. The elitists can never run anything except into the ground, Name one government program that is successful and not in debt and requires more tax money to keep it afloat . There are not any. If private businesses ran their companies the way these elitists run the government they would be in prison. I say throw every beauracrat(unelected in most cases) in prison . Obamacare is a big fat failure

          31. glorybe2 says

            Accuracy is vital. first hospitals are not required to take care of anyone that comes to the ER. They are required to perform emergency care only. I know a girl right now that has a broken jaw and the ER refused to set it for her as setting that jaw bone was not an emergency. She is now in jail and the jail has made no effort to set her jaw either. She went to the local mental health place and they refused to see her unless she paid $80. . Without her mental health meds she took dope and that is why she is in jail. She was a crime victim which is why she had the broken jaw in the first place. She was in a coma for three days after which she was dumped on the street. To suggest that hospitals take care people in need is foolish and childish.
            One reason to pass a bill right before Christmas is to give the people a Christmas present.

          32. irish1919 says

            Hospitals have always taken care of patients coming in. Part of the hypocritical oath I suppose . Now those who can afford it will be charged at least a deductible of some kiind but I can pretty much say that the poor or illegals won’t pay. The taxpayers will.So some of those 25 million uninsured did fall in this category . A third of the uninsured decided not to pay for insurance . Have a brother with 5 boys never paid for health insurance . I wouldn’t do that but millions do . So those young people today with no children will not opt to pay. Why should they until they need it? Obamacare is a disaster and people are seeing dramatic rising costs and they want out.

          33. glorybe2 says

            No they have not. The law that causes emergency medical care to be provided is The HUBERT HUMPHREY ACT. It simply requires hospitals to provide emergency care and nothing else. If you go to an ER with many conditions they will give you only enough treatment to let you go to a private physician as soon as possible. If you have no money for that private physician you are stuck. Also they only give you urgent and immediate medication. So if you require expensive medications you will not have any time at all to gather enough money to pay for them. Many counties have next to zero in public clinics and if they do have them it may take weeks to get an appointment. I am aware that some states have far better policies for dealing with the poor but some states simply do not. I think you would be astounded at the number of people in some states that can get no medical help at all.

          34. John E. Lambert says

            Gloryb..for the most part you are right..I lost a really close friend who had accidentally been shot through his left shoulder because two hospitals shuffled him out of their ER’s without batting an eye..didn’t even take steps to stem his bleeding..all because he had no insurance..before we could get him to a third hospital he bled to death..both of the hospitals were sued by his surviving 14 yr old son and the award was more than 8 million dollars. This young man learned enough through a 4 yr battle with the hospitals’ insurance companies that although he was paid by them..he didn’t hoard the money. He kept enough to pay off the home his father had purchased..buy himself a reliable used vehicle..and put a million in the bank and in investments..the rest he gave to the Childrens’ Cancer Research Hospitals of America. He has since pit himself through medical school and is currently doing his internship at the University of Washington Medical Center..he made a vow that no matter where he winds up working he will NEVER turn ANYONE that needs help away..especially from an ER..no matter what the hospital’s ER policies may dictate..

          35. glorybe2 says

            It gets worse. In Florida some jails are applying extreme medical neglect to people awaiting trial. They are also turning law enforcement into a for profit game. For example a phone call to a local jails costs $15.01. If you send money to an inmate the state takes 50% every time you send it. Then to make certain that inmates beg the family for money they are fed almost nothing and live in hunger. In effect they apply torture to garner money. The cops are applied as tax collectors, spending their time on things that cause fines to be collected and those fines are quite high. The last time I went for a new driver’s license it was over $70.. A local woman needed a copy of her car title and the fee was $80.. If you get in a fuss with your wife both of you may be forced into anger management at the county clinic at $80. per person per visit. That comes to $160. a week and that “therapy” might last for more than 52 weeks. Get drunk and walk down the street and they may send you to that same clinic every week for quite some time. Essentially they are turning every card in the deck to put money into the hands of the counties. And if you go to jail they make you pay a daily fee for being in jail and often attach it to probation or parole and then charge a monthly fee for parole or probation on top of that. Since many people can not possibly pay the high fees they get taken back into custody thus creating another revenue fee for the county. And of course the county gets paid by the federal government for every person in custody as well. Under these conditions you can bet that deliberate false arrests are common and pat of the game.

          36. John E. Lambert says

            As far as city/county jails “taking” money from inmates’ accounts goes..things like phone calls..medical treatment..meals and commissary were being provided for inmates at the expense of us taxpayers for a long time. Then they started allowing only collect calls for inmates calling anyone except their attornies..now they have to buy phone cards with any money in their accounts..same with medical treatments and commissary nowadays..money gets paid from their accounts to pay for as much of it as possible to take some of the burden off of taxpayers..I would think that if you’re paying less of your tax money to house.. feed and control inmates you would be a little less bitter at that part of the system..And costs for auto licenses..vehicle permits..insurance..etc. go..it’s a travesty..for sure..and like you..I don’t see those monies going to fix roads or help schools..etc. etc. etc. any more than you do..so like Forest Gump said..”That’s all I have to say about thayut.”

          37. John E. Lambert says

            Irish..love ya brother..but it’it’s the Hippocratic Oath. The disappearing middle and lower income classes in America can’t afford the ridiculous prices hospitals and insurance companies charge. “Obamacare” itself isn’t the problem. Insurance companies have been used to raping Americans financially for so long and now that they are losing money they’re bitching and moaning for the corrupt political establishment to get rid of Obamacare. The problems of Obamacare could be tweaked if our politicians would unilaterally get together and work on the problems and stop backing big biz like the insurance companies.

          38. Elizabeth Davis says

            What you both don’t seem to understand is that it was set up to fail so the government could take it over like England. Socialized medicine why do so many Canadians come here for treatment and as some of the English how long it takes to get medical surgery

          39. glorybe2 says

            If you go to Canada you may find that urgent surgeries do not have a waiting list at all. surgeries that can wait a while are sometimes asked to wait a while. Their system is superior to ours. There are also rich people in Canada who can go anywhere they want for surgeries that are not of medically required or urgent. This is true in all nations. Rich people facing dire illnesses often fly all over the world to get treatments that are not allowed or available in the US. The fact that some Canadians come here for treatments is not an indication of issues in Canada.

          40. John E. Lambert says

            So..if you knew or have known that it was “set up to fail” why has it taken you so long to say/do anything about it..the idea behind the Affordable Health Care passing was well-intentioned..but the insurance companies and crooked politicians aren’t making enough money from it so rather than the politicos on both sides getting together and fixing its problems they will/have been letting it fail..they wouldn’t make any money at all if healthcare were socialized either..so that’s a moot argument..

          41. Elizabeth Davis says

            The Hospitals are eating a lot of the money now for people that can not afford the insurance .

          42. glorybe2 says

            You might want to ask just why some people can not afford insurance and get to the point of realizing that our economic system is unjust and immoral.

          43. irish1919 says

            I don’t have to ask. When government takes over anything which should be run in the private sector there will always be higher costs and terrible Quality. I have tried to explain to you the position we are in because of government intervention. There were some 40+ plans by republicans which Harry Reid would not bring up for a vote. Why? Because the left was going to put government in charge of health care . It was Obamas legacy. Nancy Pelosi was behind shoving it down the Americans throat, no matter that 4 in 5 didn’t want it. If you remember it was passed on Christmas Eve, Not in the daylight . Not one republican voted for it. No major legislation has ever been passed without input from both parties . It only passed by 5 votes in a Congress which had 60 more democrats. It was disgusting . Now it is unraveling States are dropping out. Quality care is non existent . Over 8 million people who had insurance they liked, lost it. Many millions more could not keep their doctor . Obamacare was put together by unelected beauracrats and now the chickens have come home to roost . It was built on a lie and those who wrote it knew it was a failure . How disgusting the Dems were in all this. Now we have low quality unaffordable health care for tens of millions of Americans . I give insurance companies no credit for buying in to government because they saw a windfall. Obama has been shot down by the courts on 2 occasions now because they wanted to have more tax payer funds to keep it solvent. Sorry the law is the law. You Dems passed it so now you can go down with it . Too bad you had to take down half the country with it. Government programs suck.And the VA is in trouble with zero care . Veterans dying waiting for care. Disgusting .

          44. irish1919 says

            You can bet illegals get health care. It’s us the insured who pay the bill.zSame with car insurance. Obama care has made it impossible to afford insurance for millions. All government programs are a disaster .

          45. glorybe2 says

            Anyone get get emergency treatment at a hospital if the hospital sees it as a real emergency. That does not mean they will get the treatments that they need, only that they will get patched up enough to go pay a private doctor. And for real the best programs have always been government run. Fire, police, the military are all government programs as is Social Security. By comparison private industry does us no good at all. Think about it.

          46. irish1919 says

            Social security has 47 trillion dollars in unfunded mandates. It has not been run well. It’s why they keep raising retirement age. They are insolvent if you care to check. Politicians raped the social security money to pay for other wasteful government programs. As far as fire and police and teachers and state and government workers they are paying less for medical insurance at the expense of millions of Americans who are paying 3 and 4 times as much. So you see government cannot run anything without bankrupting it. We are 22 trillion in debt. It’s all about mismanagement and corruption in government . Government has never been the solution. It has always been the problem . Tell me the number of programs we have today existed when we were formed . For that matter just since 1940? Almost none of them. We have programs for programs. It’s utterly ridiculous. Both parties have brought us to where we are today . If you still believe government run programs are effective and cost effective then I don’t see much hope in you changing your mind. The proof says different. Trillions of wasted tax dollars. Our dollars. Don’t forget . It’s not only 22 trillion in debt it’s some 60+ trillion in unfunded mandates) promises which cannot be paid ) Do you believe Hillary will add to this debt or reduce it?? I think if you are honest, we both know the answer.

          47. glorybe2 says

            In relation to the GNP we are better off with our national debt than we were in 1945. In 1945 our national debt exceeded 100% of our GNP. It does not today. We have two issues at the root of all of our problems. One is over population. But our politicians dare not mention that problem. The real answer is one child alloted for every female for life and tubes tied at the birth of the first child. That would sharply decrease our population. The second issue is vanishing employment due to automation and we actually need to amplify that problem. We are quickly entering an era in which human labor will be no longer needed. This demands that we get rid of our social concepts of earning a living and make certain that every person has a decent income. Taxes will be paid by businesses. We might also tax robot labor as if the robot were a human. There is simply zero alternative. We can not even vote to stop automation either. The reason is simply that other nations will not pass such laws and 95% of the buyers in this world do not live in the US. That is why protectionist trade policies only result in poverty and ruin. We are all the victims of fear mongers. The numbers are used to deceive us. We once had less than one million people in our nation. We now exceed 350 million. Obviously 350 million people will produce bigger numbers both in expenses as well as in productivity and the numbers you mention do not demonstrate that fact. The entire right wing is dedicated to keeping people in fear so they can manipulate the masses for their own benefit.

          48. irish1919 says

            Actually would like to know where you get your information ? Another thing is you are in favor of sterilization. Margaret Sanger found Planned Parenthood on they very philosophy. Abortion was her idea to controlling the population of black America . You left wingers are the ones who support abortion and sterilization to control the population . Not the right. The right had a much simpler and humane method. Follow our laws and protect our borders from illegal immigration. We only have a population of 350 million because of some 15 million that should not be living here. The right does not call for mass extermination through sterilization and abortion. The left tries to be so sanctimonious and yet supports the mass extermination of abortion and expects all Americans to pay for it. News Flash !! It is the left who promotes death on a large scale. God certainly does not.

          49. glorybe2 says

            There is hard data showing that the Mexican folks have been flowing back to Mexico faster than they enter America for several years in a row. Further certain American industries simply can not hire Americans to fill jobs. And yes the meat packing houses and field workers might be replaced if the wages were a lot higher and that means the public would be paying a lot more for their food. And food is already way over priced. The numbers of undocumented returned to Mexico by the Obama administration are available and you can actually find them. Despite the right wing lies he has deported more than any other president. Sadly such gimmicks as talk radio have poisoned so many minds that facts no longer matter. In the last debate Trump railed against Hillary and Obama for putting the trade treaty into place. It was a total display of ignorance. First Bush signed that trade treaty not Obama. Secondly Hillary was never in a position to make a treaty the law of the land. As a US senator she by definition had 1% of the power of the senate. Of course Trump as usual was on Fantasy Island and blamed her for installing that treaty which she had absolutely no power to do at all. How often does a right wing leader have to speak absolute dribble before you guys snap back into the real world? That one subject at the third debate is shocking proof that he is totally unfit to be in any public office.

          50. John E. Lambert says

            Automation robots don’t earn paychecks therefore pay no taxes. But our taxes pay for the robots when the government bails failing businesses out..businesses outsourced to other countries cost American jobs thereby cutting into taxes paid that could be put to use to strengthen our economy..and the huge loopholes in the tax codes that only favor the rich put the burden of making up the tax shortage on US..

          51. glorybe2 says

            In automated factories in the past robotic arms were in use and those arms are secured into the factory almost as if they were part of the building. Current design intentions are quite different. Imagine a robot that is issued a sort of identity that works in various factories according to demand. Such a device could be independent and go down the street to another factory and perform entirely different functions. It may be a situation in which each robot can earn a mandated pay check and be taxed accordingly. McDonalds has already announced that the front end of their stores will be robotic ASAP. I believe Burger King has similar intentions. The odd part is that robots that can cook are far more advanced than those that would act as servers and floor staff. i think that soon we will see one store manager on every shift as the only employee. When people get all worked up about this sort of thing and race begins to enter into the discussion please consider that when farm machinery replaced almost every farm worker and the black folks in the deep south went to severe poverty for 60 or more years that the government did nothing to help those in extreme poverty at all. Now watch what happens when white people who are not born into poverty find economic hopelessness all around them. We must change our entire system or we are all dead meat.

          52. Greg says

            I would like to point out that Obastard’s legacy will be that he was the WORST PRESIDENT in the history of America!!

          53. John E. Lambert says

            Nope..that distinction will always be G. W. Bush’s flag to carry..but Obama will be a close second..

          54. John E. Lambert says

            The problem with “Obamacare” isn’t that the program itself is bad..it has problems that can be fixed if both sides get together and work them out..all in all..the biggest problem is the greed of the insurance companies and the political lobbyists that have continuously supported their agenda over our health..

          55. John E. Lambert says

            The Democrats were one vote short of having enough votes to pass the Affordable Health Care bill..until a Republican joined them and voted for it..but whether it was 1 vote or 5 that got it passed..it got passed and signed..and now that the insurance companies aren’t making the ridiculously huge amounts of money from it that they were used to..they are paying to have it trashed..for sure it needs to be tweaked bipartisanly..to make it work better for everyone..but rich politicians and the uber wealthy who don’t have to worry about paying for health care don’t give a crap about our needs..

          56. irish1919 says

            So wrong. The democrats passed it in the house by five votes only after Pelosi talked those gang of 8 democrats that were not going to vote for it because of there not being a provision around abortion. They finally voted and it was passed by 5 votes. ALL DEMOCRATS. Zero republicans in the congress or senate voted for it. To say 1 vote from a republican passed it is ludicrous and outright lie. No major legislation has been passed with zero votes from the minority party in the history of this country. It was done in the middle of the night and done before Scott Brown would have been sworn into the senate. His vote would have prevented it from being passed. The Dems own it lock stock and barrel. Shame on them.. It’s falling apart and the Dems are to blame. Disgusting.Why would you even say it was a republican vote that passed it ?? It passed by 5 votes (all democrats)

          57. irish1919 says

            Why didn’t Harry Reid allow some 40 Republican bills to be brought to the floor? Why didn’t Obama have all the congress on c-span like he promised . Obama said it would be bi-partisan but as he always does, he lied. The democrats are stuck with a failing bill because they would not take any input from the republicans. Reid and Pelosi were going to pass socialized medicine , the people be damned. Now you want to talk about bi partisanship . With Hilllary possibly?? Not going to happen. She will double down and cost hard working Americans trillions more. Dems have never done anything on a bu partisan basis . Not the last 8 years anyway. Dems have but one plan. Tax,spend and tax some more. Dems have never met a government program they didn’t like. Obamacare is just another long list of government failure.

          58. John E. Lambert says

            It’s the Affordable Health Care Act. It was designed with good intentions..the problems with it could be worked out if Dems and Reps would unilaterally work to make it work..the problem isn’t who voted to pass or deny the program itself..it is the greed of the insurance companies and lobbyists. Trouble is that there are lobbyists from both sides of the political agenda supporting the insurance companies..and the truth is the only ones it’s hurting are those of us that can’t afford the ever rising cost of health insurance and hospital charges.

          59. irish1919 says

            Typical left wing response when their failed policies turn to S_ _ _. We had good intentions. Fact is it dies make a huge difference when only Dems passed it and did not allow republican input. Think how successful things could have been. Now you say you want bi partisan ship in improving it? No what the left wants is to have it their way come hell or high water . Single payer is what Obama and the Dems wanted all along and they do not want any ideas from republicans. Like I said the left has made their bed and screwed the American public as usual. Oh well, we had good intentions though. Bad intentions and bad policy.

          60. ABO says

            As we are all well aware, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. and that is exactly where the ACA is leading us.

          61. ABO says

            You, Mr. Lambert desperately need to do some serious research ting your mouth off. The FACT is that not one, NOT ONE Republican voted in favor of the ACA. I realize you say you don’t need to provide any backup for your statements as you know all the answers and everyone should just take whatever you say as truth but I’ve noticed that your idea of the truth is simply whatever fits your agenda at the moment.

          62. Greg says

            Then you went to a CROOKED DOCTOR if he wanted to charge you more than $600 for a consultation (this fee is outrageous as it is). This CROOK should be drummed right out of the medical profession and you should have your head examined for going to him in the first place.

          63. glorybe2 says

            I think you would be astounded at the fees that many specialists charge these days. It is true that certain doctors can not make a living. Yet many others consider $50,000 per day a bad day. Back in 1964 a friend’s wife got breast cancer. He was frightened and upset that he might lose his wife. He went to a surgeon in his own synagogue and asked him to please take the case. The surgeon said that he would do the operation but his initial charge was $75,000 to enter an operating room and depending on how long it took him to do a good job that that fee could more than double. That was in 1964 ! We simply have failed to control prices and salaries in the medical industry.

          64. Elizabeth Davis says

            You are very stupid. No it is not. My daughter needs insurance and has tried . They want at least $400 dollar a month with a 6000 dollars deductible that is 10,600 dollars a year they only one she could possibly afford Coventry seem to lose her paper work Not one but twice she finally gave up and will have to pay the fine just because she does not have insurance. The money will go to the free loaders. Big government should stay out of our lives and let us take care of our own finances

          65. irish1919 says

            Wrong. Cost of health insurance has skyrocketed under Obamacare and millions have lost their insurance and or their doctors. A bold face lie by Obama. Costs have gone up my 60, 70% and more and the care is inferior . Can’t you left wingers understand that Canada and Britain and all the countries who passed socialized medicine are not free. Kills me when. Canadian says we have free health care . When I ask them how it is paid for . Well it’s in our taxes. Really? Guess it’s not so free then? People are so dumb when they think the government is the answer to a wonderful life. Well News Flash!!!! Obamacare is expensive and there is inferior care. It is a sham . The people once again have been screwed by our politicians .

          66. John E. Lambert says

            Irish..if politicians on both sides would stop aligning with big biz..pharmaceutical companies..health insurance companies..and the like..costs would be more in line with what the average American earner could afford. It’s not Obama’s fault that insurance companies hate losing the monies they have so greedily been charging long before he was in office. It’s the greed of the companies and their political lobbyists..if they had been reigned in long ago we wouldn’t be arguing this point today.

          67. irish1919 says

            Government is the problem. Their unending regulations , taxes , penalties and hatred of capitalism is the problem. Government cannot create jobs.Only the private sector can do that . Government can create an environment that is good for business. By over taxing, over regulating and over reaching with the likes of Obamacare, business , especially small business cannot survive. Tell me. What has this administration done to enhance business! I would say zero. They over tax, over regulate and over burden. Obama and Hillary are not helpful to business , They are not helpful to Americans .

          68. irish1919 says

            What proof do you have that Obamacare works well for most people ? Been listening to those who put it together ? The unelected beauracrats who put it together .

          69. SUZANNE M. says

            MR. COUCH, COULD YOU TELL US HOW HE DESTROYED YOUR FAMILY. I AM SERIOUS. WHAT HAPPENED? IT’S RIGHT, THE LEFT PROMISES AND PROMISES, GETS THE VOTES AND GOES AND PARTIES FOR FOUR MORE YEARS AND YET THE BAD PLACES STILL EXIST.WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE DOING TO CLEAN UP NEIGHBORHOODS , TO MAKE THEM SAFER???????WHEN DO WE GET THE GOVERNMENT AIN’T GOING TO DO IT……..

          70. John E. Lambert says

            Suzanne: I normally take extreme umbrage at people who only blame the “left”..I’m not upset with you because I hear it every day..but the truth is that no matter which party has been “in charge” nothing has been done to remedy anything that benefits us over the wealthy.

          71. SUZANNE M. says

            JOHN, I AGREE WITH YOU. I WOULD SAY THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THE WEALTHY CREATE JOBS. THE PERSON WHO TAKES THE BIGGEST RISK, IS THE ONE WITH THE BIGGEST REWARD AND EVEN FAILURE. WE ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO “START” SOMETHING THAT CAN TURN INTO BIG REWARDS. WE NEED TO STOP WHINING AND START DOING ON OUR OWN. THE GOVERNMENT DOES ALL IT CAN TO GIVE AS MANY GIMME GIMME’S SO IN TURN THEY CAN DEPEND ON VOTES. THEY LIE. WHEN DO WE AS A PEOPLE STOP BELIEVING AND START DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WE ALL, IN SOME WAY OR OTHER, DON’T HAVE THE FIGHT IN US TO STOP THESE CREEPS. WE JUST GIVE UP AND THAT IS WHAT ALL POLITICIANS HOPE FOR. THINK ABOUT IT,,,,THESE PEOPLE REALLY THINK THEY KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR US . HOW ARROGANT. WE AS A PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR OWN LIVES AND USE OUR BRAINS MORE EFFECTIVELY. WE SHOULD ONLY DEPEND ON THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP OUR COUNTRY SAFE, INFRASTUCTURE, MILITARY AND CARE FOR THE TRULY WEAK. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST OUR VETERANS. I AM SURE…..THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS THAT OTHERS WILL COME UP WITH THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO. BUT WE HAVE ALLOWED THE POLITICIANS TO CONTROL OUR LIVES AND THEY COUNT ON US TO NOT BE INFORMED AND WE ARE.PEOPLE., ASK YOURSELVES , HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMEN T IN YOUR LIFE?

          72. John E. Lambert says

            It’s a type of non-welfare welfare system..”We’re here to help you..but you have to vote for us if you really want us to help you.”..we do..they (for the most part) get right back supporting big biz and the wealthy..and we lose out again..and again..and again..

          73. irish1919 says

            Sorry to hear. Let’s pray that Hillary doesn’t win because she will continue the devils work . A very evil person. Amazing how many vote for her. Well when almost 45% of the country is Godless today , we shouldn’t be surprised. We are not mentioned in the end days. I am beginning to see why. It becomes clearer each time a democrat and RINO are elected.

          74. glorybe2 says

            Just how did our president destroy your family? Did he run off with your wife or something?

          75. Walter Flatt says

            FROM A KOREAN WAR VET 51/53 VOTE TRUMP. IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS, GOOGLE AND READ ALL THE BELOW AND WAKE UP.

            GOOGLE 3 THINGS, THE NEW CLINTON CHRONICLES 2015, 2ND, HILLARY CAREER CHRIMINAL, 3RD, CLINTONS CIRCLE OF POWER. LISTEN TO ALL.

            WHICH HAD YOU RATHER HAVE FOR A PRESIDENT A MAN, (AS 99% HAS), THAT TALKS A LITTLE DIRTY TO MEN, OR THE ABOVE IN THE GOOGLE.

            WHY GET MAD A PUTIN, HE SAID THAT THERE WAS NO PLACE IN RUSSIA FOR ANYONE THAT WOULD NOT FOLLOW THEIR LAW AND SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE, GO TO A COUNTRY THAT DID.

            HAVE WE BEEN SET UP FOR A MUSLIM INVASION, BY HILLIARY, OBAMA, SOROS, AND THE BIASED NEWS MEDIA? I THINK SO. READ ALL THE WHYS BELOW.

            WHY HAS HILLIARY, OBAMA, KERRY AND THE BIASED NEWS MEDIA DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO HELP THE RADICAL MUSLIMS.

            WHY IS A LAW THAT WAS PASSED IN 1952 BARRING ALL MUSLIMS FROM THIS COUNTRY, NOT ENFORCED? THIS LAW INCLUDES OBAMA SINCE HE SAID HE WAS A MUSLIM, AND ALL HE HAS AROUND HIM IN DC.

            WHY DID THIS ADMINSTRATION TRY AND BUY UP ALL AMMO?

            WHY TRADE 5 TERRIOST FROM CUBA FOR ONE TRAITOR?

            WHY TRY AND TAKE OUR GUNS? HITLER DID, & HISTORY TELLS US WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

            WHY ALLOW A MINIMUM OF 35 MUSLIM CAMPS HERE IN THE STATES?

            WHY ARE THERE 5 MUSLIM CAMPS IN N. VA. CLOSE TO DC? ARE THEY TO TAKE WASHINGTON?

            WHY BUILD A FEMA CAMP IN EVERY STATE, SOME MORE THAN ONE, WITH ARMED GUARDS? ARE THEY TO HOLD MUSLIMS?

            WHY ARE THEY BRINGING THOUSANDS OF YOUNG MUSLIMS HERE?

            WHY IS THE TAX PAYER HAVING TO FEED, CLOTH & HOUSE THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF MUSLIMS BEING BROUGHT HERE?

            WHY GIVE THE THOUSANDS OF MUSLIMS BROUGHT IN FREE HEALTH CARE, SPENDING THOUSANDS FOR HOSPITAL CARE?

            WHY ARE THE ILLEGALS BEING TREATED BETTER THAN OUR VETERANS.

            WHY STOP THE TANK AND PLANE SHIPPMENT TO EGYPT, WHEN THEIR ARMY KICK THE RADICALS OUT?

            WHY DID OUR GOVERNMENT SEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO HELP THE RADICALS IN IRAN, A COUNTRY OUT TO DESTROY US?

            WHY ARE WE SENDING BILLIONS TO ARAB COUNTRIES, AND LETING OUR COUNTRY GO TO POT?

            WHY DONT THEY ENFORCE THE LAW BARRING ALL MUSLIMS FROM THIS COUNTRY?

            WHY IS THE MUSLIM MAJOR IN TEXAS LIVING THAT KILLED 14 SOLDIERS AND WOUNDED A LOT MORE?

            WHY ARE THEY RELEASING ALL MUSLIMS IN CUBA TO GO BACK INTO ACTION TO KILL OUR SOLDIERS?

            WHY DONT WE HANG ALL MUSLIMS CAUGHT AND BURY THEM WITH PIG PARTS, LIKE GENERAL PERSHING DID IN THE PHILLIPENS?

            WHY WAS OBAMA ALLOWED TO SWEAR IN CARLOYN WALKER AS JUDGE IN BROOKLIN USING THE QURAN?

            I SAY, ARM ALL OUR TROUPS TO PREVENT A MUSLIM TAKEOVER. THINK IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. I CAN TAKE 100 AND TAKE ANY BASE IN 1 HOUR.

            BETTER COAT ALL YOU AMMO WITH PIGS BLOOD OR GREASE, LET THE WORLD YOU ARE DOING SO.

            JUST PRAY THAT DONALD TRUMP IS ELECTED AND IS ABLE TO TAKE OVER AS OUR PRESIDENT.

            GOOGLE THE NEW CLINTON CHRONICLE 2015 AND YOU JUST MIGHT KNOW WHY.

            BELOW IS A GOOD REASON WHY I BELIEVE THAT A TAKEOVER TRY IS POSSIBLE. HOW CAN THE BIASED NEWS SAY OBAMA IS NOT A MUSLIM.

            THE LAST WHY, WHY DONT THE BIASED NEWS MEDIA REPORT ALL THIS???????????

            PRESIDENT OBAMA A CONFESSED MUSLIM.

            IS this is why you didn’t go to France to show solidarity against the Muslim terrorists: YOU

            * spoke these words at an Islamic dinner -“I am one of you.”

            * spoke of “My Muslim faith.”

            * gave $100 million in U.S. taxpayer funds to re-build foreign mosques.

            * wrote that in the event of a conflict- “I will stand with the Muslims.”

            * assured the Egyptian Foreign Minister that – “I am a Muslim.”

            * bowed in submission before the Saudi King.

            * sat for 20 years in a Liberation Theology Church condemning Christianity and professing Marxism.

            * exempted Muslims from penalties under Obamacare that the rest of us have to pay.

            * purposefully omitted – “endowed by our Creator ” – from your recitation of The Declaration Of Independence.

            * mocked the Bible and Jesus Christ’s Sermon on the Mount while repeatedly referring to the ‘HOLY’ Qur’an.

            * raveled the Islamic world denigrating the United States of America.

            * instantly threw the support of your administration behind the building of the Ground Zero Victory mosque overlooking the hallowed crater of the World Trade Center.

            * refused to attend the National Prayer Breakfast, but hastened to host an Islamic prayer breakfast at the White House.

            * ordered Georgetown Univ. and Notre Dame to shroud all vestiges of Jesus Christ BEFORE you would agree to go there to speak, but in contrast, you have NEVER requested the mosques you have visited to adjust their decor.

            * appointed anti-Christian fanatics to your Czar Corps.

            * said that NASA’s “foremost mission” was an outreach to Muslim communities.

            * as an Illinois Senator was the ONLY individual who would speak in favor of infanticide.

            * was the first President not to give a Christmas Greeting from the White House, and went so far as to hang photos of Chairman Mao on the WH tree.

            * curtailed the military tribunals of all Islamic terrorists.

            * refused to condemn the Ft. Hood killer as an Islamic terrorist.

            * has refused to speak-out concerning the horrific executions of women throughout the Muslim culture, but yet, have submitted Arizona to the UN for investigation of hypothetical human-rights abuses.

            * who when queried in India refused to acknowledge the true extent of radical global Jihadists, and instead profusely praised Islam in a country that is 82% Hindu and the victim of numerous Islamic terrorists assaults.

            * funneled $900 Million in U.S. taxpayer dollars to Hamas.

            * ordered the USPS to honor the MUSLIM holiday with a new commemorative stamp.

            * directed our UK Embassy to conduct outreach to help “empower” the British Muslim community.

            * funded mandatory Arabic language and culture studies in Grammar schools across our country.

            * follows the Muslim custom of not wearing any form of jewelry during Ramadan.

            * departs for Hawaii over the Christmas season so as to avoid past criticism for NOT participating in seasonal WH religious events.

            * was uncharacteristically quick to join the chorus of the Muslim Brotherhood to depose Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, formerly America’s strongest ally in North Africa; but, remain muted in your non-response to the Brotherhood led slaughter of Egyptian Christians.

            * appointed your chief adviser, Valerie Jarrett, an Iranian, who is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, an off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

            * said this country is not a Christian nation.

            * said the Muslim call to worship is the most beautiful sound on earth.

            * GAVE 150 BILLION PLUS TO IRAN.

            * RANSOMED 4 PEOPLE FOR 400 MILLION.

            * ARE YOU, KERRY, HILLIARY & THE BIASED NEWS ME TRYING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY?

            VOTE DONALD TRUMP.

          76. Madame Mildew says

            Sounds like you need some serious mental health care. Too bad the republicans keep voting against all the measures that would help veterans.

          77. SUZANNE M. says

            ALSO READ “CRISIS OF CHARACTER”

          78. John E. Lambert says

            Anyone with a political agenda can write and have published negative crap about anyone they don’t agree with..put in their “legitimate” negative arguments..half truths and lies..but that doesn’doesn’t make what they write true..look around..you’ll find that it goes on all the time..ESPECIALLY during elections..from both sides..rather than just accepting any of it as absolute proof that “prooves” your opinion(s)..fact check EVERYTHING on BOTH sides..

          79. ABO says

            I see that you have conveniently passed on providing anything legitimate to prove your opinion (s) and I suspect that you wouldn’t recognize a “fact” if it bit you in the face.

          80. John E. Lambert says

            That’s why I check both sides..to find the legitimacy of what I speak..there are media outlets that “represent the values” of both parties as they see fit..but now we have Breitbart..Wikileaks..and the Alt Right out there with a bigoted.. racist ..conspiracy theorist attitude that is being believed by those of us that are hungry for political change..the Alt Right is running Trump’s campaign..but it suits him because if you’ve really listened to the things he’s said he believes in what they espouse..The KKK..David Duke..Neo Nazis..and other hate groups endorse him..and he endorses Putin..is that what you really want for America?

          81. ABO says

            No that is not what I want for America and I don’t remember saying that it is. I also never said I support Trump For someone who claims to so actively seek the truth you have a marked tendency to assume that you know all the facts when it is obvious that you do not. Thank you for making my point for me.

          82. John E. Lambert says

            I only asked if that’s what you want for America..it was not a statement about you voting for Trump. If that’s not what you want for America why do you seemingly attack people that speak out against him? If you go back and check out any of the things I’ve said..you’ll see that I support neither of the two “leading” candidates.

          83. ABO says

            I refuted YOUR statements because they are nothing more than pure obfuscation. You accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being racist. That is the definition of bigotry so we’re off on the wrong foot to begin with and then the nonsense about Nazis, KKK and such are right out of the liberal troll playbook and you know it. If you’re not a liberal troll, why do you act like one?

          84. ABO says

            Unfortunately, Walter, Glorybe2 is a typical, brainless liberal lemming and as such is not the least interested in the truth. You have posted a long list of truths, well researched and well presented but Glorybe2 hasn’t the intellect or the morals or ethics to bother with it. I’m suggesting that you not waste your time attempting to enlighten an idiot the likes of Glorybe2 as he is simply not worth the effort. However,thank you for enlightening those who ARE interested in learning the truth. Well done!

          85. william couch says

            THE STUPID ONES IN THE FAMILY VOTED FOR THE NIGGER!!!! MUOOOOOOOOOOOOSLIM THAT BOWS TO OTHER COUNTRIES!!!!!

          86. Jimmy King says

            Another moron heard from

          87. ABO says

            Thank you for admitting your intellectual standing Jimmy boy. Glad to hear from the head moron.

          88. IJR says

            You should have not let that happen. I made tons of money in the last 8 years. America!

          89. Marie Saqueton says

            Selling dope, did you?

          90. IJR says

            I am a drug dealer like you are a prostiture.

          91. Marie Saqueton says

            You and Madame mildew are the scum of the earth. How do you like being called that? You are both so insecure your posts in this forum are insults to those who disagree with you. To lower ourselves to your level is disgusting but I would like to teach you a lesson with my perception of you two in my first sentence. SCUM…

          92. IJR says

            You are really good at being wrong. I post factual things like, “If you do not want to get sued by queers you should make sure to serve them at your business.”

            Then people freak out and attack me personally.
            You said that I am a drug dealer, lol.

            You can not teach me anything. You are an old irrelvant hag and unable to debate a simple issue with out losing you mind.

            I am scum like you are a prostitute.

          93. SUZANNE M. says

            Ms. MARIE, ijr is insufferable, miserable, lonely, sad, mean, judgemental, arrogant and he really believes he is superior to all. he is bigoted.don’t waste your time. he gets off on doing what he does. lots of spare time on his/her hands.

          94. Marie Saqueton says

            You are correct, but sometimes it is also good to throw it back at them, for them to realize that name calling and insults are not good. I called him SCUM of the arth and it felt good.Ha,ha,ha,lol.

          95. ABO says

            So you’re saying he’s a typical liberal lemming.