Liberals Dismayed to Have THIS Controversial Book Taught in Kentucky Classrooms


Liberals have been fighting for decades to remove any remnant of Biblical teachings from public school classrooms. Not only have they been adamant about getting the Bible itself out of the school system, but anything even semi-related, including prayer, Christmas trees, and the words “under God” that lie at the heart of the Pledge of Allegiance. None of that, they say. Separation of Church and State, they say. And of course, they have nothing against Islam or Hinduism or any other form of faith; this is a war on Christianity exclusively. An attempt to divide America from its own holy traditions so that room can be made for a new form of faith: Liberalism in all of its tentacled disgrace.

But occasionally – and maybe it’s an illusion, but it seems like we see these stories more often since Trump took office than before – the good guys win one.

In Kentucky, Governor Matt Bevin just signed a new “Bible Literacy Bill” into law that will allow the Christian holy book back into public schools. No, there will not be a preacher on hand to evangelize the misguided, but students will at least be permitted to take Bible study courses that teach them – in a non-preachy way – about the book’s importance in the pantheon of history and literature. And considering that public school students have been learning about the Islamic Quran in this way for years, it is only proper that they be given the same instruction about a book that means much, MUCH more to the United States.

The original bill was co-sponsored by Rep. D.J. Johnson of the Kentucky House of Representatives. In an interview with the Louisville Courier-Journal, the Republican said the Bible’s importance to the fabric of the U.S. could not be ignored.

“Whether you believe that it’s the word of God or you think it’s complete fiction, you can’t deny the impact it’s had on our culture,” Johnson said.

Gov. Bevin, upon signing the bill, found it ridiculous that anyone would oppose such a law.

“The idea that we would not want this to be an option for people in school, that would be crazy,” Bevin said. “I don’t know why every state would not embrace this, why we as a nation would not embrace this.”

Crazy is just about the right word for it. But then, the left has been on a mission to tear down every aspect of American history, and Christianity is a huge part of that. It’s good to see that at least some states are finally finding ways to push us back to sanity.

  1. Linda says

    How DARE you appropriate the Bible as a “conservative book.” That is wrong on so many levels. First, it is not about being a converative in form or fashion. Second, there are plenty of us Liberals who follow the teachings of the Bible. Third, it is sacrilege to posit such a hateful distortion. And lastly, it is meant to drive divisiveness. Shame on you…Shame on you. Burn in hell.

    1. James Kirksey says

      Linda, Your are right to consider the Bible a book for ALL people. This wonderful book is God’s written instructions for all. Depending upon how one believes, this book reveals God’s Son, Jesus Christ; first in type and later in the flesh. The Bible is one of the few books that teaches about mankind’s sinfulness. It is a book of forgiveness for those who believe and Judgement for those, who reject. Being conservative or liberal, by today’s standards, takes a less important place in our lives. The book freely teaches a need for Jesus Christ in each individual life. An education, without the Bible, is incomplete. Regardless of politics, we stand equal at the foot of the cross.

      1. John Meadows says


      2. Cat Person says

        Everyone is NOT Christian!!! Christianity is the only religion that crams Jesus and being reborn down people´s throats. And Christianity is NOT this country´s national religion. There are other religions that make more sense. But in my opinion, religion as a whole has caused more trouble in this world than it has anything else. Everyone should have the right to believe as they see fit, and should leave everybody else alone.

        1. James Kirksey says

          Cat Person, I cannot agree with you, about Craming Jesus and the rebirth down people’s throats. In my 65+ years after salvation, I have not seen, nor heard, of anyone being forced to believe in Jesus. God’s plan of salvation, which provides forgivness, by repentinting and accepting Jesus’ as our substitute to pay the sin debt, is not mandatory. However, it is an option. Salvation is opposite the current condemnation, we have for our sins. Read John 14:1-6, concerning heaven, prepared for those who believe in Jesus. Likely you have heard or read John 3:16, concerning God’s love. Jesus will not force one to believe, you have the choice; beleive or reject. Rejection of Jesus, leaves one on his/her own to answer at God’s judgement. Jesus gives the invitation; but, never drafts anyone into His Church.

          1. Cat Person says

            Here´s the thing. They go around knocking on people´s doors with their Bibles in hand—they stand on street corners shoving their belief down people´s throats—they INSIST that Christian prayer should be said in public places such as schools, meetings, and other places. So why not Jewish prayer—why not something other than just Christian??? I´m sorry—but that totally turns me off. I´m no young spring chicken, and my own opinion and belief about that will never change.

          2. lia watson says

            You are one sad, miserable and unhappy human being…I really feel sorry for you..and I am no youngster either…at 81, I have seen it all…and you couldn’t be more wrong. You are OFFERED the opportunity for salvation…Christ gave us the choice and you obviously have made what you will one day find out was a bad one.

          3. Cat Person says

            Hate to tell you this—but you are very wrong. If it makes you feel good to believe as you do—good for you. But I am perfectly fine. In fact it was when I allowed some of those Bible thumpers to get to me that I WASNT fine. In fact, I take their attempts at trying to make others think as they do as a form of harrassment. I myself don´t appreciate it. And as far as whatever happens after I drop dead—-Iḿ not worried about it. So you shouldn´t worry about me or anyone but yourself either.

          4. ABO says

            Your overwhelming hatred and negativity are truly astounding. I can only hope for your sake that something in your future makes you see just how detrimental your hateful attitude is toward your own physical and mental health.

          5. Cat Person says

            Since you don´t know me at all, you really know nothing about my life. The only things I feel hatred towards are people who go around trying to tell others how they should live—how they should believe—and that try to judge others. And people who are racist, or judge others by their skin color—their culture—or even their religion. The religion part I don´t like when someone tries to convince others that they are the only ones right. But as long as they keep their beliefs to themselves—I´m fine with it. Live and let live is how I believe and how I live.

          6. ABO says

            What I know about you is what you have said here for everyone to read and it is in large part hateful and derogatory. You are actually not fine with those who disagree with you as long as they keep it to themselves. You appear to take great pleasure in attacking anyone who does not share your views.

          7. Cat Person says

            Since you seem to know so much about me, you should be able to tell that I don´t give a flat damn what people think—and I stopped doing that MANY years ago. If I had let others direct my life for me, I WOULD have been a miserable person. Breaking away from other people´s opinions set me free—-and I have NEVER regretted it.

          8. Cat Person says

            Let me add to the below comment that I sent a few minutes ago. I BOTHER NO-BODY. I live my life taking care of my immediate family, my good friends and my pets. But every word I have said is 1000% how I feel about others trying to shove their beliefs down people´s throats. And however you might feel—I think it is WRONG to flaunt ANY religion in a public setting. That´s why there are churches, private schools, and other institutions for that. Having said that—-I´m through discussing this. So this will be my last comment to you. Enjoy your life as you see fit.

          9. ABO says

            I certainly will and thank you for your response.

          10. James Kirksey says

            Cat Person,
            I am a 1936 model, myself. However, when I was saved through Jesus forgiveness, that was the start of an eternal life. Throw aside the ideas of public worship and consider, a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, who, “Knew no sin, but, became sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.” This is the most important question you will ever answer. I do not mean to be “pushy” or “preachy.” It is not God’s plan to force Christanity. However, it is our mission, once saved, to share the “Good News.” I do not believe in using the fancy salesmanship or phrases. If you read the scriptures, this is used by the Spirit oif God to do the work of God. Please read from the Gospel of John to better understand.

        2. lia watson says

          U have the right to believe what you will, but this country was founded and our Constitution and Declaration of Independence were based on Judeo/Christian faith: 29 of our founding fathers were ordained ministers…If you don’t want the saving grace of Jesus, that is your choice, but know this: you WILL answer to God Almighty and to quote my sainted Mother: “you had better hope you are right, because by the time you find out you are wrong, it will be too late, and the hereafter is an awful long time to be in the wrong place without the grace of God”…

        3. Turn9 says

          Nope, religion is not the basis for all the trouble in the world, The ultimate evil is socialism and communism. Those 2 “governments” have killed off so many people in the 20th C. alone! Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, etc etc. No religious causes even come close.

        4. Turn9 says

          No one is forcing you to convert or even listen to the Good News of Christ. You were given the freedom to choose which I assume you are doing unless someone is forcing you to go to Church or Sunday School every week?

      3. Turn9 says

        Right you are James! The Bible teaches us that we are all born in sin and needed Jesus’ blood to absolve our sins. The liberals like to teach that everyone is basically good, that is a major error.

    2. Katie Risser says

      Might I urge you, Linda, to go back and read the headline again, (more slowly) and this time, you may find it to say, “controversial book.” It’s no wonder I don’t like people like you.

      1. Linda says

        You’re correct. Thanks. I will remove that point. However, the others remain as it is still not a true statement. The Bible is not controversial except in the hands of those who want to make it that. P.S. I gather you don’t follow it given your last sentence.

        1. Katie Risser says

          Telling other Conservatives to “burn in hell” because of a misinterpretation on your part concerning the headline…, and you consider yourself to be a follower of the Bible? What a joke. You just showed your true colors to every reader of this particular site. And by the way, I am comanded Biblically to love others with whom I disagree. I am not comanded to like those with whom I disagree.

          1. Linda says

            As I said, that only negated one of my points. My rewrite shows that the basic premise of the article is still wrong. And, yes, I’m tired of fake Christians and their whining about they are so denied their rights. A real Christian wouldn’t have posted the article in the first place.

          2. Katie Risser says

            No, actually, from where I stand, it’s your liberal brand of Christianity that has attempted to “silence” the true believers for way too long. Well guess what, we’re wide awake, alive, and emboldened by scripture. These things you will never change, nor take away from us….try as you may.

          3. Linda says

            Just how have the big bad liberal Christians tried to silence you (whether or not you are a true believer is debatable)? If you’re a fundamentalist, you have to realize that you’re really the minority. It’s because of fundies that young people are not joining churches. It’s because of fundies whining like babies that tells the rest of us you are more concerned in forcing your viewpoints on everyone. You’ll know the truth when you cross over…I’d wager you’re going to be mighty surprised.

          4. Katie Risser says

            13 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Matthew 7:13-14.

            Few=minority Which in response to your fundies minority remark, I couldn’t be happier to be in the minority 🙂 !!!!!

            The Bible is a book of truth, commandments, laws for those of all ages. Whether or not the youth choose to SUBMIT to God’s word is a choice! Nobody is forcing salvation on you, or anybody else. Its a personal choice, and there are no participation trophies. Hmmmmmm…Maybe that’s why the youth are not being obedient to the gospel.

          5. Rose Weleski says


          6. Sharon Chesher says

            Katie, the children are not obedient to the gospel because they are not taught the gospel, thanks to the liberal view of separation of church and State! This country and the Constitution were founded on the teachings of the bible, but the liberals think it is OK to have the minds of our children corrupted by the evil quran! Hopefully President Trump will end this Madness! God bless the governor of Kentucky…and may more governors follow suit!

          7. Linda D says

            You are so right, Sharon! I attended Catholic school as a child for about three years (7th, 8th, and 9th grades). In those three years I was taught right from wrong and the love of God. I’m so grateful for those three years because it taught me the real meaning of God’s love for us. I celebrate my 70th b’day tomorrow and I still pray for God to strengthen my faith. I cannot believe what is going on in this country today. There is so much hatred. I thought the 60’s were bad, but they can’t compare to the troubles we have today. Bringing God back into our schools would help tremendously. Children need a good foundation. Just being able to teach the bible without preaching would be a good start. Kid’s can figure it out from there. What would you pick, the bible or the quran? As far as I’m concerned, the quran is laughable.

          8. ggrdr05 says

            we can all thank the democrats for the state of our country, they are the one’s who have removed GOD from schools and every where they can and look at the condition of our country. They promote planned parenthood in the murder of our precious babies and promote same sex marriage and we wonder what has happened to our country????????????????????????????????????/

          9. Dana says

            Exactly right. And for all of Obama’s lies about mudslimes being part of the founding of this country, they were NEVER here to enable the foundation of this nation. This is a CHRISTIAN nation and we must fight any attempt by mudslimes to take it over and pervert it into a mudslime hellhole. There are far too many of those cesspool countries on the earth already.

          10. DannaStevens says

            You’re right Katie. But right now, there are more Christians in India (and they ARE fundamental) than in the US, because Satan has been infiltrating the church (as Jesus said in Rev. he would do), to the point they are “luke-warm” which Jesus said he HATED! Just as it did w/the Jews, it takes persecution to wake His church up to the truth. Then after 3-4 generations, they fall away again, until he has to punish them to bring them back again. The people of Egypt are BEGGING for Bibles, as are those in the Ukraine who are not under Russian control. EEM (Eastern European Missions) is printing Bibles in record #’s, trying to keep up w/the demand.And by the way, Ukraine is TEACHING the Bible in the schools, AS the Word of God”! We have been sending teachers over there to TEACH the TEACHERS, how to teach the Bible for abt. 20 yrs.

          11. lia watson says

            As I recall, Christ was in the minority, too, but He is still supreme!!

          12. Raymond Tower says

            Going to a church or joining a particular denomination doesn’t make a Christian. In fact I do believe that Jesus stated where two or more are gathered in my name, there I am also. No mention of a building. Second, separation of church and state does not exist in the U.S. Constitution nor in any of the Amendments to the Constitution. 1A just states that “Congress shall make no law establishing a religion. Establish does not mean practice or follow their faith.

            We can take this a step further if you like. Our 1A right to practice is clearly there. Public education on the other hand is no where found in the U.S. Constitution.

          13. Linda says

            sigh…didn’t I already tell you to look for my post about the phrase???

          14. Doris Will says

            Linda, Have you ever read: Judge not, lest you be judged? Vengence is Mine says The Lord? You keep telling people where they will be going. It is not for you to say or even think.

          15. Rose Weleski says

            You go, girl!!!!

          16. mablue says

            How many times do you have to hear it? A real Christian wouldn’t tell anyone to burn in hell because they don’t agree with you.

          17. Linda says

            We all slip occasionally. I’m just sick and tired of the fake Christians who hide behind their perverted view of what the Bible teaches us.

          18. Rose Weleski says

            Maybe try reading it and learning from it yourself. I am wondering what kind of “religion” you have been taught….because from where I stand there is only one way – Jesus says that He is the way, the truth and the Life – no man comes to the Father, except through Him. John 14:6 (So…what I am saying is that there are many who profess to be Christians who are not taught the basic tenets of the faith…are not taught to memorize God’s Word….are merely taught “religion” without a firm foundation to stand on….all because they have not been attending a Bible-believing church…learning about Scripture and how to apply it to their lives.) I am not judging you, sister, but praying for all of us to walk a closer walk with the One who is worthy of all praise. Have a blessed day!

          19. Sharon Chesher says

            Linda, what ‘bible’ do you Read? The Quran? Get off this site, we don’t need to read what you write…you are the one who doesn’t know what the Bible teaches!

          20. Linda says

            Why should I get off this site. If you don’t like my comments, don’t read them.

          21. Dana says

            “their perverted view” is YOUR perverted opinion.

          22. Jeanne Harrison says

            Well deal with it. Just because we’re Christians, doesn’t mean we become perfect. We become forgiven.

          23. William McClure says

            Yes, and I’m tired of fake Christians who preach a fake “compassion” to justify defying God and His commandments.

        2. mablue says

          Hold on, let me get this…are you saying that you’re gathering that Katie is a non Bible follower because she said she doesn’t like you? Hmmm. Yet you told fake Christians to burn in hell. Interesting. Typical “live and let live”…as long as it fits your own way of thinking. Spare the outrage and check yourself. Peace, sister!

          1. Dana says

            Linda practices the standard liberal tactic of censuring and silencing everyone with whom she disagrees. They use terms like “hate speech” and call everyone else “dangerous” when it is liberalism itself that threatens to kill off this country’s freedoms and make us into another leftist dictatorship.

          2. Linda says

            tell me where I did this?

          3. ABO says

            It’s commonly called bigotry, Dana. The definition of bigotry according to Merriam Webster’s dictionary is “hatred or complete intolerance for any creed, belief or opinion that differs from ones own”. Sound like anyone in particular posting here?

        3. DannaStevens says

          There is a big difference in “like” and “love”. We are commanded to “love” everyone (as in wanting what is best for them-especially salvation”, but no where in the Bible are we told we have to “like” them. There have been times I did not “like” my own children, but I still loved t hem. At least she didn’t hope you burned in hell! (Jesus didn’t like the money traders in the temple”

    3. Cat Person says

      The Bible is a great book. But public schools are not the place to be discussing the Bible or of asking the kids to pray. When I was a kid, I was very uncomfortable when we were asked to join in prayer—but I was too young to know why. Now I understand myself enough to know that I didn´t appreciate being told what to think—-or for people to put words in my mouth. Churches and private homes are the places where religion is best practiced. I could see maybe people being given a chance to have a silent prayer if they should so choose. But no-one should be put in a position of having to go along with something that they are not comfortable with. It is disrespectful to people of other faiths—or even to people that have no faith—-which is NOT anybody else´s business. And I can just imagine the uproar if we turned on our TVs—and instead of a Christian service being broadcast—there were Jewish—Muslim—Hindu—or whatever else is out there blaring in our faces.

    4. Cheryl Detar says

      that public school students have been learning about the Islamic Quran
      in this way for years, it is only proper that they be given the same
      instruction about a book that means much, MUCH more to the United
      Linda, Did you read the article? Public School children have been learning about Islam, for years. They are taught the “Seven Pillars” and some are even made to use “prayer rugs” and recite muzzie prayers. That is NOT optional. This new lpolicy is optional. THEY and libs, like yourself, thought that was OK. I am proud of MY state of Kentucky for leveling the playing field. In addition, when did GOD make YOU in charge of judging of ANYONE? I missed it. “Burn in hell,” you say…Very Christian of you. God must be so proud of YOUR words.

      that public school students have been learning about the Islamic Quran
      in this way for years, it is only proper that they be given the same
      instruction about a book that means much, MUCH more to the United

      1. Robyn Reviere says

        BS only if they choose it as an elective. Which Bible was also an elective.

      2. Dana says

        Linda converted to Islam years ago. Her rants chronicle her descent into it’s hell-like captivity and mind-numbing stupidity. She was passed over to be one of the seventy two virgins awaiting dead terrorists in heaven because she didn’t qualify as a virgin so she spews her poisonous rhetoric in these types of forums to let off steam. Give her her black body bag to cover up her ugly body so we don’t go blind. Send her to Afghanistan. I’m sure the mudslime “holy warriors” will find a use for her.

      3. Ann Davis says


    5. Ken Thomas says

      Would you kindly show me where the words ‘Separation of church and state” appear in the Constitution or Bill of Rights? I’m quite tired of you liberals using that phrase to further your anti christian school agenda. This is where the phrase originated and long after the Constitution was ratified.

      The phrase “separation between church & state” is generally traced to a January 1, 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, addressed to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper. Jefferson wrote, “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
      exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church
      & State.”
      Jefferson was echoing the language of the founder of the first Baptist church in America, Roger Williams who had written in 1644,
      Now take your left wing BS and go elswhere.

      1. Linda says

        I’m not talking about the actual phrase, but the concept. The ignorance expressed by the far right conservatives is why I call things out. We Liberals do not have an anti-Christian school agenda..that’s made up by you all.

        So, here for your education:

        “Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”
        ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792

        “We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition… In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”
        ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

        “The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
        ~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

        “We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.”
        ~Founding FatherJohn Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785

        There are plenty more if you would just do your research. Have a nice night doing that.

        1. Ken Thomas says

          Your comparison of liberals today with those of 225 years ago is ludicrous at best. Their intention was to never have a “state” sponsored church such as existed at the time in the European countries. I, and many like me, do not want school age children to be indoctrinated by any religion or cult such as islam, but if we are to ban the bible then common sense says we must ban any religious type of book and or material. Since you liberals are content to rewrite history then you are doomed to repeat it, except I don’t plan on going down that path with you and I believe the overwhelming majority agree. Until you and those who think like you can achieve an overwhelming majority, and good luck with that, all you little snowflakes can go elsewhere to melt.

          1. Linda says

            Sigh. You totally missed my point, I see. The objection is not to the Bible itself; it’s for teachers in public schools teaching it. I’m guessing you went to a church school since you’re calling Islam a cult, btw. What history are “we rewriting.” I sure hope the next election won’t be influenced by a foreign government and the majority will prevail.

          2. Ken Thomas says

            Public school all 12 years and graduated in 61 before the progressive liberals, look into the mirror, ruined the public school system and personally I very seldom venture inside a church. Although I did serve a few years for people of any persuasion to practice any religion they desire, even you. Whatever kool aid you’ve been drinking it must be good stuff. Anybody with half a brain can figure out that islam is a cult devised by a 6th century goat humping pedophile war lord. BTW, islam was banned in this countryin 1952. You must be a devout cnn viewer if you believe any foreign country had a hand in the past election and the majority DID prevail especially if all the illegal votes are thrown out. If you’re so upset with my country why in the hell don’t you just leave, I’d be more than happy to help start a gofundme account to help you along.

          3. Linda says

            LOL, so you ran out legitimate comments and are resorting to pure bullshit. . Nope, never watch CNN…don’t watch any cable news. OMG, Russia didn’t have any influence? Like they didn’t have people planted to stir up shit? LOL, illegal votes…that was debunked, buddy. I’m not leaving MY country because of idiots like you would end up showing their asses. I, too, served my country and I’ll fight with my intellect and words against those affected by the Dumbing Down of America.

          4. Ken Thomas says

            You are part of the problem and not part of the solution and I’m afraid that you are either too indoctrinated or too stupid to realize it.

          5. ernldo says

            Both, but she leans heavily to the stupid side, me thinks….

          6. Michael Dennewitz says

            Can’t fix stupid! ??

          7. Mark Anthony Jones says

            I don’t think Russia planted anything, it was the Clinton campaign that planted “Bernie protesters” at the Trump rallies. It was George Soros that paid them.

            The union propagandized public schools have taught socialism as the answer to all of society’s ills for over 60 years. How else would Hillary have to steal the primary win from a socialist to become their nominee? I can’t believe how close we came to losing our country forever

            And now we find out there were 5 million illegal votes in 2008 and your dear leader Obamao did not actually win the popular vote or the electoral college without the Illegal immigrant vote.

          8. Robert Dostoevsky says

            What 5 million illegal votes?

          9. usmc354 says

            With that big “LOL” I take it you are unaware BHO will be summoned to testify before Congress of his unwillingness to inform the US citizenry about Russia’s meddling in order to protect HRC and her run for POTUS! ALL collusion with Russia was done by the DNC and the Democratic Party! Now, take that along with your crayons, coloring book, skittles and kool-aid to your safe space before you melt! I ,too, served to protect your rights to an opinion and the right to express same! Regardless of how inane, insane or ridiculous it may seem to others! You have a nice day…. Semper Fi…. Any further comment or complaint to this post may be directed to 1-800-CAN GFYS! Phone calls ONLY will be considered!

          10. Ann Davis says


          11. DannaStevens says

            Can tell you haven’t watched TV. The only ones involved w/Russia, were the Dems! HAS been proven/that Trump was, proven didn’t happen! Just found more illegal votes this past week, than Hillary supposedly won the popular vote by. Better quit drinking that kool-aid!

          12. ernldo says

            Philly, 125% demotard voter turnout last year…..Probably just people “educated” in public schools not counting too well….No fraud….

          13. pineapple says

            “illegal votes…that was debunked,”

            Report: Millions Of Illegal Immigrants Likely Voted For Barack Obama

            This is clearly illegal.By Randy DeSoto
            on June 20, 2017 at 1:34pm

            A newly released report concludes that
            non-citizens voting illegally in recent United States elections could
            number in the millions, giving credence to President Donald Trump’s

            According to the think tank Just Facts,
            as many as 5.7 million illegal aliens may have voted in the 2008
            election, in which Barack Obama defeated John McCain to win the
            presidency, The Washington Times reported.

            The organization describes itself
            as “conservative/libertarian in our personal viewpoints — but unlike
            many policy and media organizations — Just Facts is committed to
            objectivity, and we do not favor facts that support our viewpoints.”

            Just Facts’ president, James Agresti, told The Times that his
            researchers looked at data from the Census Bureau and other groups, as
            well as Harvard/YouGov studies from the 2008 and 2012 elections to help
            reach their conclusions.

            The group cites three sources
            — the Department of Homeland Security, Pew Research and the Center for
            Migration Studies — for estimates of the number of illegal immigrants
            currently in the country, which is likely in excess of 11 million.

            In 2008, a Harvard/YouGov survey found that eight percent of
            self-declared non-citizens stated that “I definitely voted,” and of
            those who voted, 82 percent cast their ballot for Barack Obama. Based on
            census data, the resulting numbers mean that somewhere between 594,000
            and 5.7 million non-citizens voted illegally in 2008, according to Just

            In 2012, nine percent of illegal immigrants reported they “definitely
            voted,” translating to between 1.2 and 3.6 million votes in that year’s
            national election.

            The numbers have not been calculated for the 2016 race, but the
            results of 2008 and 2012 lend credence to President Trump’s claims that
            he may well have won the popular vote if those who voted illegally were

            Hillary Clinton was able to run up the score in the popular vote, so to speak, thanks to California’s approximately 40 million residents.

            Clinton carried the state with 8.6 million votes to Trump’s 4.4
            million. Because the Electoral College is winner-take-all, Trump barely
            campaigned there.

            Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich pointed out, “Remember, in 49
            states, (Trump) had a 2.2 million-vote majority, and then there’s

            The Washington Times reported, “Last month, the president signed an executive order
            setting up a (Commission on Election Integrity) to try to find
            on-the-ground truth in illegal voting. Headed by Vice President Mike
            Pence, the panel also will look at outdated voter lists across the
            nation with names of dead people and multiple registrants.”

          14. Linda says

            You posted this to wrong thread.

          15. pineapple says

            More than 5,500 illegals registered to vote in Virginia in last decade; 1,852 actually cast ballots

            GOPUSA Staff

            When Maureen Erickson registered to vote in Prince William
            County, she listed her home address as a street in Guatemala, in what
            should have been a very strong indication that she wasn’t a regular
            Virginia resident.

            Yet she remained on the voting rolls for years, and even cast ballots
            in 14 different elections, up through the 2008 presidential contest.
            She was only purged in 2012, just ahead of the election, after she
            self-reported as a noncitizen, according to a new report released
            Tuesday by the Public Interest Legal Foundation.

            Ms. Erickson was one of more than 5,500 noncitizens who were
            registered to vote in Virginia this decade, and were only bumped from
            the rolls after they admitted to being ineligible. Some 1,852 of them
            even managed to cast ballots that were likely illegal, though
            undetected, the PILF, a conservative voter integrity group, said in its report.

            Read more at the Washington Times

          16. ABO says

            Yet again, thank you, pineapple. Well done!

          17. desert fox says

            No, that was Obama/Clinton/Soros clan that was stirring up the shit with the help of the liberal media.

          18. glorybe2 says

            And yet there is zero evidence of any illegal voting. What the liar in chief is blithering about is that when people move or die their names remain on the voter roles. That does not mean that they try to vote, simply that the dead and moved are not purged from the lists.

          19. Ken Thomas says

            I guess all the wetbacks voting in california don’t count.

          20. glorybe2 says

            And yet there is zero evidence of any meaningful number of illegal voters in California or any other state. You see that is how the devil works. Lies are told by racists and other evil servants of Satan. No proofs and no facts are not an issue for these people. They are owned by evil and accept lies as truths. Can anyone deny that taking medical care away from many millions of Americans is murder? Yet the same ilk that thinks abortion is a huge sin turn around and try to murder millions of Americans. And then they will claim they are Christians. Christ will not know such people.

          21. Robert Dostoevsky says

            Always nice to see the bigots chiming in.

          22. Robert Dostoevsky says

            Please explain when Islam was banned. Are you referring to superseded immigration policy?

          23. Ken Thomas says

            ISLAM WAS BANNED FROM THE USA IN 1952, but Obama doesn’t want you to
            know that nor does he respect or uphold US law. The Immigration and
            Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to
            immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That
            act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the
            intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and
            remains in effect today. Among the many
            issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is
            the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an
            organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by
            “force, violence, or other unconstitutional means.” This, by its very
            definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States, but this
            law is being ignored by the White House.Islamic immigration to the US
            would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the
            Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical
            to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic. All Muslims
            who attest that the Koran is their life’s guiding principal subscribe
            to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the political
            correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from
            entering the US because Islam is a religion. Whether it is a religion is
            immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with
            any “organization” that advocates the overthrow of our government are

          24. Robert Dostoevsky says

            Ken, Ken, Ken…..Your hatred for Obama has blinded you to facts. The 1952 immigration act was superseded in 1965! The revised act eliminated the Islamic ban. I seriously doubt you can blame Obama for this change.
            You should not rely on radical websites as your only source of information.

          25. Ken Thomas says

            Check this out
            What all of you liberals don’t want to believe is that islam is not a religion it’s a cult and true followers of the koran, and all practicing muslims are true followers, sole purpose is to conquer the world. If that’s not an attempt to overthrow our government please tell me what is.

          26. Robert Dostoevsky says

            I’m not sure why you referred me to that site but I have read most of that information on other sources as well. What the explanation of the 1952 law doesn’t say is that it was superseded by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965!
            I said nothing about Islam and don’t intend to enter that discussion. The world will be a lot more interesting in 50 or so years when Muslims outnumber Christians but I am not going to be around then.
            FYI: I am not a liberal, I am however a pursuer of the truth.

          27. mac12sam12 says

            Please explain who influenced the election and also tell me how they did it.

          28. Linda says

            Not really relevant to the topic at hand.

          29. ABO says

            In other words you can’t offer an intelligent response so you just change the subject.

          30. Ken Thomas says

            Libtards are good at changing the subject when they don’t have an answer or can’t make one up on the spur of the moment.

          31. ABO says

            You sure got that right, Ken.

          32. DannaStevens says

            It will be influenced by a foreign government-all the muslim nations. It is a cult_”I am the way and NO man can come to the Father except by Me”. IF the immigration continues from muslim nations, the majority WILL prevail and we will all be in our graves. Did you not see what is happening now in Paris. It’s coming here, unless our government stops it, which thank the Lord, Trump is trying to do!

          33. ernldo says

            Yes, but the French people were disarmed long ago, we Americans didn’t let that happen. We won’t be quite as easy as Europeans….

          34. berg1928 says

            Trump is not making America great again.
            He is making OUR nation the laughing stock o the world.

          35. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            Trump is making America Great Again Obama destroyed America we are repairing the damage this liberal Moron caused!!!!!! Only Liberal morons
            think like you!

          36. berg1928 says

            Sorry to tell you this, babycakes, but only con morons think like you! And only con morons like you are so quick to insult and denigrate everyone with differing opinions.

          37. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            Babycakes Lmyassoff @ This Liberal POS! THE LIBERAL RACIST MORONS LIKE YOU WOULD LOSE!!!!!!!!! We would Crush your Liberal Democrackhead Liberal racist asses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don;t have an opinion its all hate opinion LOW LIFE!

          38. berg1928 says

            Dear babycakes, you just proved my point!

          39. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            Exactly you want War we are ready!

          40. berg1928 says

            It would be too cruel for me to go to war with a half witted, foul mouthed, child.

          41. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            You would lose you Liberal retard!

          42. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says
          43. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            Wow im in Rancho SANTE FE We neighbor now Ill deport liberal ass!
            Babyyyyyy kookoo

          44. berg1928 says

            YOU live in RSF? They don’t allow your kind there.

          45. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            Sorry to tell yo Liberal racist ass you liberal Morons are ignorant and low class….
            You need therapy or an old fashion Deportation to where ever u come from little liberal boy!

          46. berg1928 says

            My mother and her family were born in Michigan. My father and his family were born in the state of Washington. His much older relatives came to America before the Revolution. So where would I go? I came from here . . . in the United States of America, where I, and others, have the right to not agree with you. Besides, who would want your approval? You are foul mouthed, vulgar and can’t spell punctuate properly.

          47. berg1928 says

            Child, go back to your trailer and smoke your corn cob pipe. Sit back and watch Honey Boo Boo and Duck Dynasty again . . . unless those programs are too sophisticated for you.

          48. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            Little liberal racist boy, Sit back amd watch Sanford n Son and Good times again…..unless those programs too sophisticated for your ignorant ass…lol

          49. berg1928 says

            I have to admit that once in a while, your vulgar, crass posts make me LOL. Sounds like you prefer Boo Boo and Ducks over BBC and other interesting programs. Also your posts do seem to slam Black and Hispanics a lot and you call ME a racist!

          50. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            YOU ARE A RACIST THUG! Stop sinning and blaming everyone elese take responsibility for your ignorance, You low life!

          51. berg1928 says

            I give up. For some reason that I don’t understand, you constantly insult me and have called me many disgusting names. But why do you call me a racist? Do you even know what that word means?

          52. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says
          53. berg1928 says

            We’re still waiting . . . .

          54. Linda says

            Sadly he is the president. He’s debasing the office of the presidency.

          55. DannaStevens says

            Thank the Lord. There is one thing all these Democrat “Christians” are forgetting. GOD said that HE (and only HE) sets up governments, and takes them down. He put Obama in there for a reason-to show us what was going to happen to us, if we continued in our ways, instead of HIS!-and to show us just how close we were to that red line! He put Obama up there and He took him down. Now He has put Trump in, in answer to the prayers of CHRISTIANS! God gives severe warnings as to what HE will do to those who try to take down, the ones HE has put in place. If you are trying to forcibly take down someone He has put up, you are disobeying Him and there will be consequences!!! “IF you love me, keep MY commandments”. “He who does not obey me, does NOT love me(paraphrased from IJohn). Guess that eliminates ALL THE PROTESTORS of HIS will!”

          56. Robert Dostoevsky says

            I must have missed something. Obama was elected twice and could not run for a third term. Just when did God take him down?

          57. DannaStevens says

            Apparently you did! I stated that it said God put in GOVERNMENTS (last 8 years) we don’t have “kings” in our government, but had Hillary been elected, Obama would have still been “president” over a “puppet” president! Why do you think he’s living right down the street?? He’s still hoping they’ll depose Trump and put him back in. He’s still dreaming!!!

          58. Robert Dostoevsky says

            I’m not sure what you mean by depose but if you mean remove from office then Pence will be president.
            If you mean that somehow the election would be found fraudulent so Hillary would be named president; that can’t happen. There are no provisions in our election laws for this to even be a consideration.
            I guess you’ll just have to dream up some other asinine scenario to fit your agenda.

          59. Linda says

            cray cray and ignorant

          60. ABO says

            “cray cray and ignorant”??? what language exactly are you speaking?

          61. ernldo says

            Poor stupid, muzlim Linda…I blocked the ditz, but need to respond, STUPID, discounting the cheating in demotard corrupt big cities, Trump beat the pathetic Hitlery like a beatnik pounds a bongo. Change your tampon and kill young minds while you can, the second American revolution is nigh, and YOU and your traitor kind are tree of liberty fodder….

          62. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            The second American revolution We need to start fighting back against this Liberal racist hatred against Trump I agree !!! America Loves Trump!

            We stand with Trump against the wicked Liberal thugs, Soros, the evil Liberal Fake news, the Democrackhead party we are here to Protect and defend Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


          63. ernldo says

            The majority did prevail in ’16….finally, and NOT cheated in favor of demotards by the big cities. However, I’m in agreement in part, I don’t want to see any “holy” book mandated in schools, but also not banned. Softheaded people like you welcome hateful books like the koran and disdain the Bible and I know why, it calls the leftists on their decadence, depravity and evil doings. Islam IS a cult silly….they also want to behead YOU!

          64. Linda says

            No, the electoral college prevailed; the majority of the popular vote was Democrats. Why would you say I’m “softheaded”? Funny you say I’d welcome “hateful books like the Koran and disdain the Bible.” You obviously don’t know jackshit about me or either of those books. BTW, Islam is NOT a cult…another things you obviously know little about given such a stupid comment. LOL, leftist are decadent? Man, you’ve got the bigoted, hateful, ignorant thing done completely.

          65. James says

            Your right about one thing, at least. Islam is not a cult, it is a theocracy! A governmental form of ruling people through the use of a false religion which uses terrorism to enforce it’s beliefs!

          66. Linda says

            It’s not a false religion, sigh…such ignorance…I’m embarrassed that our school systems have done such a poor job.

          67. ABO says

            Perhaps you should consider a remedial course in World Religions.

          68. James says

            not to worry linda; your fake news networks and lying democrap politicians will keep you indoctrinated in the belief that islam is a religion of peace, and that we Americans are to blame for all the world’s problems.
            Just keep swallowing that kool aid!

          69. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            Linda your an evil Liberal atheist hateful low life! You are ignorant, weak, low energy and a moron! We know a lot about your kind racist, lying thuggish and ignorant…. Linda you are an evil women!


          70. berg1928 says

            GBA spends a lot of time calling others racist, lying, sluggish, ignorant, bigoted and other 3rd grade name. I suggest, GBA, that you invest in some Ex-lax

          71. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says
          72. Linda says

            LOLOLOLOL, you sure jumped to a lot of wrong conclusions there, bud.

          73. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            LOLOLOLOLOLOL You sure are a funny low energy Liberal there little low minded Linda Lol.


          74. James C Exner says

            It is a political cult…Read the Koran then look at the historical record of this fascist false religion. You will be the first person to be abused under a sharia law that is not friendly to women.

          75. Linda says

            Ignorant old fools like you never learn about the truth.

          76. James C Exner says

            Old I am, but not ignorant I am not. Jesus told Pontius Pilate
            he was the Way and Truth and Life. Allah will welcome you into his harem fast. You read to much revised history. It is evident the liberal left educators have done their job of indoctrination.

          77. usafsam says

            Much like nazism, islam is not a religion at all but a totalitarian political ideology created by a power hungry sadistic perverted warlord pedophile that seeks to enslave. In fact Hitler used full moslem regiments in his war machine. Fact is mohamhead was a pervert that took the religious texts of that time and twisted and perverted them as a means of a get rich quick scheme and when people would not willingly convert he gathered bandits to spread his ideology by sword killing all who stood in his way and instigating rape as a means to create a new generation that knew nothing but the perversion known as islam as a way of life. It was never a true religion. If not for the apostasy policy no one would be islamic today.

          78. desert fox says

            Especially if you don’t have a psychotic lying britch as your figurehead! Check out the Podesta/Killary/Putin association.

          79. David in MA says

            Do you know the government supplied schools with Bibles in the beginning years of public education?

          80. Linda says

            I don’t know if that is true or not. State govt? Federal govt? It was probably one of the few widely available books at the time so it would make sense.

          81. David in MA says

            The Federal Government supplied them.

          82. James C Exner says

            You see you are in Error here. There has been no foreign government involved in our election…except the millions of illegal voters who tried to change Gods selection for president. Remember that it is He who raises up and brings down leaders.

            Daniel 2:21 (NKJV)
            21 And He changes the times and the seasons;
            He removes kings and raises up kings;
            He gives wisdom to the wise
            And knowledge to those who have understanding.
            You see one day you will find out that you have fallen off the cliff of sanity…only fools do not believe in the God of the Bible. You see the Dems and Liberal perverts want to remove God from His creation so they can do whatever is right in their own eyes. You see the proponents of the NWO under the direction of George Soros want open boarders every thing the tyrants can do to bring humanity into bondage. A good example is Nimrod who tried to unify the known world at the time…God didn’t call or send him to gather only He does that so He scattered the attempt to create a one world order.
            You know it was a woman who tried the tree of KNOWledge and the world has suffered ever since seeking after knowledge instead of His Presence. It cost Humanity the Garden for that CHOICE.

          83. carroll wood says

            you are having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent, shame on you LOL

          84. glorybe2 says

            At the time of the American founding the violence between Catholics and protestants was quite fresh in the minds of the public. The only way to assure that the US would not be born with a smoldering religious war was to make clear that the government would not support any religion nor work to crush any religion. The last thing the young nation needed was the kind of religious wars that had been going on in England and Europe. Meanwhile all kinds of negative games went on such as considering oriental folks not truly human nor allowing them much justice in courts around the nation or considering black people to be without souls and teaching them Christianity as a gimmick to keep them from fighting for freedom. For example, in Mississippi the rape or murder of a black person was not taken to be a real crime until the 1960 era and frankly a white person wanting to do harm to a black person in Mississippi is very likely to receive little or no punishment at all to this very day. And with a wink and a nod the race haters still crave even more states rights as they enjoy doing evil and want to be free to do whatever to black people.

          85. Ken Thomas says

            And your point is?

        2. mablue says

          your’e a regular genius.
          I would think at the very least it is important to teach what has been at the core of conflict and war for centuries. To do otherwise is to promote sheer ignorance.

          1. Linda says

            That’s what history classes are meant for.

          2. mablue says

            I agree, but how can you explain a history this vast without introducing the subject of religion? Not a “bible study”, but at the least, as a text crucial to the study of world history.

          3. Linda says

            It’s not the school’s responsibility to go beyond what any other aspect of history is covered. Do you honestly think that KY isn’t going to use that to indoctrinate kids? I don’t.

          4. mablue says

            Right. Just like they don’t really need to go beyond the basics in teaching How the West was Won.

          5. mablue says

            Knowledge enlightens. Keeping the whole story serves to keep people in the dark. Which continues the cycle of ignorance.
            Just curious – did you participate in Thanking God in Thanksgiving plays in school? Or learn that our money says In God We Trust? Did this brainwash you into Chrisianity? Of course not. Come on now.

          6. Linda says

            That’s an apples and orange comparison, LOL.

          7. mablue says

            Really? How’s that? You said they don’t really need to go beyond what any other aspect of history is covered. Whatever that even means. Don’t you think a deeper understanding of why things happened would be a good thing? World history. American history. It’s all missing something. History without learning basics of Christianity is like learning American history and skipping the native / black/ asian stories. Either way, without it, everyone is pretty much an uneducated oaf.

          8. DannaStevens says

            Not when liberals are also trying to remove those very things! We can no longer HAVE Thanksgiving plays, and they’re trying to remove “God” from both the pledge and our money. You try to keep the real tenants of the Democratic party a big secret. If you deny something enough times, or preach it enough, SOMEONE will be dumb enough to believe it. Well, I’m old enough to REMEMBER some of that history. I KNOW who “started the KKK”, because my Democratic g.mother was a member. I know the purpose of Planned Parenthood. It has nothing to do w/ “helping” women. It has the same purpose as the KKK-to reduce the black population. And then you spend billions in convincing the black population that you are their friend. Praise God, many of them are waking up!!! So then-you have to bring in illegals and muslims to make up for the blacks who are wise to your games. Any of them who don’t go along w/them are “Uncle Tom’s”. Well, many are getting educated and finding out the truth, regardless of your attempts to cover it up. Like the Civil War. There were more Dem. slave holders than Rep. The Republicans were the ones trying to free them and the Dems were fighting to keep them in slavery! Or have you forgotten that Abraham Lincoln WAS a REPUBLICAN!!!

          9. Robert Dostoevsky says

            Are you referring to the American West? The slaughter of the Redman is not exactly a high point of Christianity.

          10. DannaStevens says

            So WHY, have they been teaching Islam? They are NOT a part of the history of THIS country! If they want to teach the REAL aspects of it in a world history class, ALONG with the REAL aspects of Christian/Judaeo’s part in it-MAYBE?? But not to elementary children as a religion of “PEACE” when their plan is to kill us and they SAY SO ON A DAILY BASIS! The day Obama was elected, their leader was jumping up and down in the air shouting “We have taken over Africa, we have taken over Asia, we have taken over Europe and America is next”

          11. James says

            I must correct you on one point. IN the early history of our country, there was indeed an interaction with Islamists. I suggest you read up on the “pirates of Tripoli”. the very first actions of our beloved Marines was to take out those bastards!

          12. Robert Dostoevsky says

            This was a fight against piracy, not a religious war.

          13. James says

            The point made by Dana was that islam was not a part of our history, I only reminded Dana that America did fight against islam in it’s early history. Nothing was commented upon about religion!

          14. James says

            Schools have been indoctrinating liberal/socialist values for the past 40+ years; openly! Now our youth also have the movie, tv, and music industries filling their heads with perversions as well; which is exactly why the study of The Scriptures and the values they teach is so important in this age!

          15. William McClure says

            Taught by WHOM?

        3. DannaStevens says

          Bernie Sanders just blew that one for you! He just stated that NO Christian should be in the government!You need to have a serious sit-down discussion w/FORMER muslims who will tell you quickly, that their ONLY goal is to REMOVE OUR rights TOTALLY as Christians. It is people like you who are going to allow them to do so, then when they come for your head, you will have to make the decision for you-& perhaps your children/g.children, whether you/they will confess Jesus, or deny him & go to hell. If your children grow up learning Islam and accepting it, they WON”T be where I would think you would want them to be! THAT is my biggest fear-not for my own life, bur for their souls!

          1. Linda says

            LOL. You are showing your ignorance.

            “Bernie Sanders sits on that committee, and he got right to the point. He said that Mr. Vought’s statement about Muslims was an instance of “Islamophobia” and “racism and bigotry,” and for that reason the nomination ought to be rejected.

            In questioning Mr. Vought, Sanders demanded repeatedly, in an irritated and finally angry tone, that Mr. Vought admit that his op-ed amounted to Islamophobia.”

            From TheHill

          2. DannaStevens says

            Strange, I SAW/HEARD him make the statement repeatedly on TV & Internet that Christians should NOT be allowed to hold office.

        4. ernldo says

          You don’t even know the definitions of “liberal” and “conservative”….

          1. Linda says

            Really? What did I say that made you make that conclusion?

          2. ernldo says

            Every babbling, near incoherent word?

          3. Linda says

            LOL. I have a good command of the written word so this is just a silly claim. Face it, you just don’t like my opinion. Now, if you can point out phrases of babbling and near-incoherent words, I’ll reconsider. Have at it while I’m off to church.

        5. John says

          You on the left are so racist and against anything decent it is sickening. Lie, cheat, hate, anger, deceit, and extreme racism. You created in 1867 the Klu Klux Klan, including funding, You still do today. In 1921 you created the Planned parenthood to rid the US of the black race. When you want to talk racism, you are very into it and enforce it qwith Welfare and food stamps.

        6. desert fox says

          Linda, stuff it!

        7. Mathew Molk says

          In a word,,,BULLSHIT.

          Get back to your safe zone and play with the crayons whileyou can . We are surveying for a new ROTC Chapel Thursday that we are building there starting by this time next month.

      2. Ann Davis says

        Ken you will get a special jewel in your crown for explaining this to Linda and perhaps, doubt it, but just perhaps some of the younger liberals will begin to give some time to research and begin to think for themselves instead of blindly following liberal propaganda or taking to heart their professors’ lies. One thing I do know, true Christians do care about all people, we are not racist, we do not hate anyone, we pray for our leaders, country, and the world. And, we have peace, not anger, that is peace, don’t worry about tomorrow, it is in good hands and what will be will be.

        1. bendecido says

          Que sera, sera, like the song goes.

      3. Nancy G Chesnutt says

        See my comment above! I totally agree with you!

      4. James C Exner says

        Yes and Amen!

      5. David in MA says

        Another wise person, people know nothing of this letter…….

      6. glorybe2 says

        Yes and to establish means simply to support. After all, you probably would not like it if the feds started promoting the Hindu faith at public expense.

    6. Dana says

      What a load of feces your rant is. What is brought out here is the fact that it is only the bible that was banned. The literature of other religions was allowed. This is the practice of viewpoint discrimination, something liberals practice daily by censuring any dissent from their ideology from being brought forth. Now that the bible is once again allowed to be presented on an equal footing with these other religious tracts, the leftist rants will be everywhere. Conservatives, brace yourselves for the next onslaught on our nation.

    7. ggrdr05 says

      you need to find the real meaning of separation of church and state, not what you demoncrats pretend it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    8. Turn9 says

      Where in the Constitution did you dream up the words “Separation of Church and State” appear? I’ll answer for you – it’s not there – the SCOTUS came up with the separation clause based on a letter penned by Th. Jefferson. That letter is not an Amendment and was never voted on by the states or explained by Mr Jefferson. The Constitution says Congress Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise there of … Please explain how teaching the Bible in our schools will create interfere with this Constitutional Amendment?

      1. Linda says

        You obviously didn’t read my reply to another person who brought up the phrase.

        1. Turn9 says

          I still don’t see any reference to the US Constitution. Or did I miss it?

          1. Linda says

            Sigh…yes…it’s right below this one. Look for the words: “Here, I copied it for you. I’m not talking about the actual phrase, but the concept.”

          2. ABO says

            Convoluted logic at its worst.

      2. Linda says

        Here, I copied it for you:
        I’m not talking about the actual phrase, but the concept. The ignorance expressed by the far right conservatives is why I call things out. We Liberals do not have an anti-Christian school agenda..that’s made up by you all.

        So, here for your education:

        “Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”
        ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792

        “We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition… In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”
        ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

        “The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
        ~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

        “We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.”
        ~Founding FatherJohn Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785

        There are plenty more if you would just do your research. Have a nice night doing that.

    9. Ann Davis says

      Perhaps you should pray about this but of one thing I am totally sure the world was a better place when we did study the Bible in school and respected people just because they were elders even a drunk on the street has seen things that perhaps caused his/her condition and you and I could learn something from them. For a Christian you anger is misplaced here.

      1. Linda says

        I don’t know how ancient you must be because I’m old and we never studied the Bible in school. When was that common practice? And when was stopped? BTW, I’m not angry…I’m just disgusted with people who act like their version of Christianity is being persecuted.

        1. Ann Davis says

          I will be 75 in August and the Bible was removed from classrooms in 1953 when Madelyn O’hare won her case before the SCOTUS regarding “separation of church and state” which BTW IS NOT part of our founding documents but rather a letter written by Thomas Jefferson who was an agnostic.

    10. DannaStevens says

      I suggest you take a look at the court cases involving schools that have prohibited ELEMENTARY school children from even silently bowing their heads in the cafeteria to say a blessing. Also, take a hard look at the schools today which are PROVIDING rooms (which tax-payers are paying for) IN the schools, DURING school, WITH prayer rugs for Muslim children to take time out of the class-room to go pray! That has never, nor will it ever, happen w/Christian or Jew. Has pork ever been removed from a cafeteria, because there are Jewish children present?? But heaven forbid it be served if there are Muslims in that school. Were Christmas trees/parties ever removed because of Jewish children, or 7th day Adventists, etc. NO. They didn’t have to participate, but the other children were not deprived for the benefit of the few. Were football teams ever forbidden to pray, BEFORE the muslims came? NO! Was “God” forbidden in graduation speeches (that is NOT by a teacher, as you’re suggesting”, NO, but one young man’s speech was turned off, because he did so. What happened to “no law prohibitint the free exercise thereof.” Did it say they could only do it in private? How co me the muslims can close down whole streets for their 3:00 prayers, keeping residents from even being able to get to their homes? How come Obama CANCELED the National Day of Prayer for Christians, because it “might offend someone?” (Wonder WHO that someone might be?” BUT, just a short time later, he allowed that “someone” to hold a Muslim day of prayer, on OUR WHITE HOUSE LAWN??? Looks to me like YOU just might be the “fake Christian”!! I recall Peter & John, when forbidden by the government, to preach, saying “It is better to obey GOD , rather than man!!”

      1. Linda says

        Wow, you’ve cited every rightwing falsehood. I did a search on just four of things in your mostly false rant (the young man’s speech is true…one case…one single case doesn’t make for evidence of widespread occurrence). 1) Pork removed from school cafeteria: FALSE per Snopes. It was the only story in the U.S. I could find. 2) Obama cancelled National Day of Prayer: again, FALSE by all fact checking organizations
        3) A prayer room in a Texas school, from the case:
        The school established a prayer room in part because Muslim students were leaving on Fridays to pray at a mosque and were gone for two hours. The state attorney general’s office raised concerns about the room saying it should be open to all students. Chris Moore is a district spokesman.

        CHRIS MOORE: I assure you that that room is accessible to all students of all denominations, all walks of faith, all cultures, all ethnicities. And I assure you that that is in place.

        4) Regarding accommodations for religious beliefs: from a message board on the topic – Actually, the fact that most public schools don’t have classes on Saturday and Sunday is what accommodates the long-standing Judeo-Christian tradition. (Jews observe their Sabbath from sundown on Friday night until sundown Saturday night. Also, it should be noted that Seventh Day Adventists observe their Sabbath day on Saturday; it seems that I recall there are a few smaller Christian denominations which recognize Saturday as the Sabbath as well. Fundie Christians could point out the fact that since schools close on Saturday that only Christian tradition is not being accommodated–even though the Fundies didn’t give the “Judeo” part an iota of interest until it suited their POLITICAL interests.

        And, my own personal opinion: we evolve over time, becoming more inclusive rather than exclusive. Yes, at one time the population was predominantly Christian oriented and school Christmas pageants and the like were common. But now that other religions are growing in our population, I see nothing wrong in schools evolving to be less exclusive.

        I pray that YOU will quit be misinformed…in other words, I pray that you expand your source of information beyond the far right extremists.

        1. DannaStevens says

          Rather than checking Snopes, which has been proven unreliable, you might check the lawsuits filed by the ACLJ in some of these cases.

        2. Robert Dostoevsky says

          You’re wasting your time. I posted something similar to your post many months ago, I got a lot of flack about not knowing the TRUTH. Good luck with your posts.

    11. Nancy G Chesnutt says

      I still believe that separation of church and state meant that the state could not have a
      state sponsored religion like Church of England is to England.

      1. Linda says

        That’s true, and the founders spoke about the concept of that would play out which means NO religion can be promoted in public schools. They can be studied from a historical point of view; just not as an indoctrination. If people want their kids to know their kids to know their church’s doctrines, they need to do that at home and at church. I spent every Saturday during the summer for 3 years studying catechism at a Lutheran church.

    12. James C Exner says

      There is no separation of church and state clause in the constitution. The real statement is the protecting the Church FROM the state. Read your history not a liberal take on our history. Your narrative is flawed. The Constitution is not a living document that we can change at every whimsical liberal anti God rant. The Constitution is our plum-line for law of the land.

      1. Linda says

        Did I say in was in the Constitution? I’m talking about the concept of church and state, not the actual phrase. Please scroll through the thread as I’ve provided the excerpts from our founding fathers in regards to the topic.

        1. James C Exner says

          You conveniently left out the statements that many of the founders declared that American was a Christian nation.

          Below is How Christopher Columbus viewed the founding of America;

          The Covenant

          Timothy Ballard

          CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS Book of Prophecies

          In support of his claim that the Lord “predicted” his discovery through His prophets, Columbus included within his Book of Prophecies a number of
          biblical references. Among these references are certain noteworthy prophecies:
          Isaiah 14:1-2, Isaiah 66:19 and John 10:16.99 Isaiah 14:1-2 reads: “For the
          Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in
          their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall
          cleave to the house of Jacob. And the people shall take them…and the house of Israel shall join Israel.

          Isaiah 66:19 similarly prophesies the following: “And I will set a sign among them…to the islands afar off, to them that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.” John 10:16 reads: “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.” What connection is to be made between this scripture and Columbus’ discovery? Columbus’ arrival meant that a renewed advent of Christ to the Native American inhabitants was on the horizon, as his discovery would pave the way for Ephraim to enter the Americas and eventually provide them the principles of Christianity. Amazingly, Columbus’ scriptural references, which he clearly implied were related to his voyage and discovery, have direct connections to America’s place in the enlargement and renewal of Christianity.

          Again, one is compelled to consider how much revealed knowledge Columbus really possessed concerning the significance of what he had accomplished. In light of the above, it seems likely that, at some point, Columbus truly understood that his discovery of the New World meant a renewed opportunity for the Lord to restore His national covenant and offer the world the blessings of His Gospel. This might explain the following words he wrote to his friend Amerigo Vespucci: “I feel persuaded, by the many and wonderful manifestations of Divine Providence, that I am the chosen instrument of God in bringing to pass a great event—no less than the conversion of millions who are now existing in the darkness…”100

          He would similarly inform the king and queen of Spain that, with his discovery now completed, “[t]he gospel must now be proclaimed to so many lands in such a short time.”101
          Perhaps Columbus was familiar with the ancient prophecy for modern-day Calling to the Lost Tribes, the Lord declared: “I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
          Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off”
          (Jeremiah 31:9-10). Columbus was especially desirous and anxious for this spiritual endeavor concerning the New World to develop sooner rather than later. For he voiced his opinion often that the end of times was fast
          approaching, and that his mission in the New World was key to preparing the way for the Second Coming of Christ.102

          The very first sentence Columbus placed in his sacred Book of Prophecies perhaps sums it up best: “Here begins the book, or handbook, of sources, statements, opinions and prophecies on the subject of the recovery of God’s Holy City and Mount Zion, and on the discovery and evangelization of the isles of the Indies and of all other peoples and nations.”103 In a symbolic gesture of Columbus’ divine missionary intentions and profound understanding about his voyages, he insisted on erecting a large cross upon every island he landed upon.104

          Considering what his discovery would eventually mean in a land without knowledge of the Christ, his symbolic gesture was profound. Columbus heard the call of the covenant and bravely adhered. And the world took one giant step closer to the glorious renewal of Judeo-Christian principles—even principles of salvation. Columbus’ dying words were: “In mansus tuas, Domine, commendo spiritum meum” (into thy hands Lord I commend my spirit).105

          Ballard, Timothy (2012-05-16). The Covenant: America’s Sacred and Immutable Connection to Ancient Israel (Kindle Locations 1640-1677). Legends Library. Kindle Edition.


          A MIRACLE That Changed the World

          THE 5000 YEAR LEAP

          Principles of Freedom 101

          By W. Cleon Skousen

          3rd Principle:
          Virtuous and Moral Leaders

          Franklin’s Address to the Constitutional Convention

          Franklin fervently hoped this policy could be perpetuated in America from generation to generation. At the Constitutional Convention in 1787, he gave a discourse on the need to fix the course of American public service so that it would always attract men of public virtue and repel scoundrels scrambling for a soft job. He said:
          Sir, there are two passions which have a powerful influence in the affairs of men. These are ambition and avarice; the love of power and the love of money. Separately, each of these has great force in prompting men to action; but when united in view of the same object, they have in many minds the most violent effects. Place before the eyes of such men a post of honor, that shall at the same time be a place of profit, and they will move heaven and earth to obtain it. The vast number of such places it is that renders the British government so tempestuous. The struggles for them are the true source of all those factions which are perpetually dividing the nation, distracting its councils, hurrying it sometimes into fruitless and mischievous wars, and often compelling a submission to dishonorable terms of peace. (Ibid., 9:591.)

          Haggling for High-Salaried Public Offices Was Repugnant to the Founders

          Franklin had seen enough of the world to make a general observation to the Constitutional Convention which the members could not help but hear with deep respect. The men at the Convention were there at great personal sacrifice; some, like Madison, on borrowed money. Franklin warned that high salaries for government offices are the best way to attract scoundrels and drive from the halls of public office those men who possess true merit and virtue. He asked:
          And of what kind are the men that will strive for this profitable preeminence, through all the bustle of cabal, the heat of contention, the infinite mutual abuse of parties, tearing to pieces the best of characters? It will NOT be the wise and moderate, the lovers of peace and good order, the men fittest for the trust. It will be the bold and the violent, the men of strong passions and indefatigable activity in their selfish pursuits. These will thrust themselves into your government, and be your rulers. And these, too, will be mistaken in the expected happiness of their situation; for their vanquished competitors, of the same spirit, and from the same motives, will perpetually be endeavoring to distress their administration, thwart their measures, and render them odious to the people. (Ibid., pp. 591-92.)

          Benjamin Franklin’s Prophecy

          Peering down through the corridor of time, Franklin proclaimed his prophetic judgment as to what could be expected if future generations of Americans permitted the lure of high salaries to be associated with public offices. Here are the remarkably profound insights from the “Sage of Philadelphia” to the members of the Constitutional Convention:

          Sir, though we may set out in the beginning with moderate salaries, we shall find that such will not be of long continuance. Reasons will never be wanting for proposed augmentations; and there will always be a party for giving more to the rulers, that the rulers may be able in return to give more to them. Hence, as all history informs us, there has been in every state and kingdom a constant kind of warfare between the governing and the governed, the one striving to obtain more for its support, and the other to pay less. And this has alone occasioned great convulsions, actual civil wars, ending either in dethroning of the princes or enslaving of the people. Generally, indeed, the ruling power carries its point, and we see the revenues of princes constantly increasing, and we see that they are never satisfied, but always in want of more. The more the people are discontented with the oppression of taxes, the greater need the prince has of money to distribute among his partisans, and pay the troops that are to suppress all resistance, and enable him to plunder at pleasure. (Ibid., p. 592.)

          Prelude to Monarchy

          Franklin foresaw the possibility of profit in public office becoming the means by which an American monarchy could eventually arise; not called a monarchy, of course, but an executive with monarchial powers. He continued his speech as follows:

          There is scarce a king in a hundred who would not, if he could, follow the example of Pharaoh-get first all the people’s money, then all their lands, and then make them and their children servants forever. It will be said that we do not propose to establish kings. I know it. But there is a natural inclination in mankind to kingly government. It sometimes relieves them from aristocratic domination. They had rather have one tyrant than 500. It gives more of the appearance of equality among citizens; and that they like. I am apprehensive, therefore-perhaps too apprehensive that the government of these states may in future times end in a monarchy. But this catastrophe, I think, may be long delayed, if in our proposed system we do not sow the seeds of contention, faction, and tumult, by making our posts of honor
          places of profit. If we do, I fear that, though we employ at first a number and
          not a single person, the number will in time be set aside; it will only nourish
          the fetus of a king (as the honorable gentleman from Virginia very aptly
          expressed it), and a king will the sooner be set over us. (Ibid., pp. 592-93.)

          It may be imagined by some that this is a utopian idea, and that we can never find men to serve us in the executive department without paying them well for their services. I conceive this to be a mistake. Some
          existing facts present themselves to me, which incline me to a contrary
          opinion. The high sheriff of a county in England is an honorable office, but it
          is not a profitable one. It is rather expensive, and therefore not sought for.
          But yet it is executed, and well executed, and usually by some of the principal gentlemen of the county…. I only bring the instance to show that the pleasure of doing good and serving their country, and the respect such conduct entitles them to, are sufficient motives with some minds to give up a great portion of their time to the public, without the mean inducement of pecuniary satisfaction. (Ibid., pp. 593-94.)

          Franklin Points to the Example of George Washington

          The most notable example of such altruistic service in the United States was George Washington. At that moment he was presiding over the
          Convention which Franklin was addressing. Had Washington been elsewhere, Franklin undoubtedly would have gone into a comprehensive history of the notable example which Washington represented in practicing the principles that Franklin was trying to have institutionalized as a part of the American philosophy of government. To avoid embarrassing Washington, however, he simply said:
          To bring the matter nearer home, have we not seen the greatest and most important of our offices, that of general of our armies, executed for eight years together, without the smallest salary, by a patriot whom I will not now offend by any other praise; and this, through fatigues and distresses, in common with the other brave men, his military friends and companions, and the constant anxieties peculiar to his station? And shall we doubt finding three or four men in all the United States, with public spirit enough to bear sitting in peaceful council, for perhaps an equal term, merely to preside over our civil concerns, and see that our laws are duly executed? Sir, I have a better opinion of our country. I think we shall never be without a sufficient number of wise and good men to undertake, and execute well and faithfully, the office in question. (Ibid., pp. 59495.)

          Franklin then concluded his remarks by emphasizing that his plea for giving modest salaries to those filling public office was not motivated by a parsimonious passion for saving taxes, but simply to avoid the evils that go with high salaries. He said:
          Sir, the saving of the salaries, that may at first be proposed, is not an object with me. The subsequent mischief’s of proposing them are what I apprehend. And therefore it is that I move the amendment. If it is not seconded or accepted, I must be contented with the satisfaction of having delivered my Opinion frankly, and done my duty.
          (Ibid., p. 595.)

          Putting Principles into Practice

          For nearly a half century, Franklin and most of the Founders had practiced these principles in their own lives. No better example can be found than Franklin himself. Take the summer of 1775, for instance, when Franklin was serving as a businessman, a member of Congress, and chairman of the Pennsylvania Committee of Safety. This committee had to provide weapons, munitions, gunboats, and stockades in preparation for the coming conflict. He describes a typical day to a friend in England as follows:
          My time was never more fully employed. In the morning at six, I am at the Committee of Safety, appointed by the [Pennsylvania] Assembly to put the province in a state of defense; which committee holds till near nine, when I am in Congress, and that sits till after four in the afternoon. Both of these bodies proceed with the greatest unanimity, and their meetings are well attended. It will scarce be credited in Britain, that men can be as diligent with us from zeal for the public good, as with you for thousands per annum. Such is the difference between uncorrupted new states, and corrupted old ones. (Ibid., 6:409.)

          Long before the Constitutional Convention, where Franklin had made his plea for modest salaries, Pennsylvanians had put the following
          provision in their State Constitution:
          As every freeman, to preserve his independence, (if he has not a sufficient estate) ought to have some profession, calling, trade, or farm, whereby he may honestly subsist, there can be no necessity for, nor use in, establishing offices of profit; the usual effects of which are dependence and servility, unbecoming freemen, in the possessors and expectants; faction, contention, corruption, and disorder among the people. Wherefore, whenever an office, through increase of fees or otherwise, becomes so profitable, as to occasion many to apply for it, the profits ought to be lessened by the legislature. (Ibid.)

          The Formula for Producing Leaders of Character and Virtue

          A modern American cannot read the writings of men such as Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, or Washington without feeling a certain sense of pride that the United States produced and had available leaders of this supreme
          quality to launch the first “noble experiment” for freedom in modern

          However, one important question remains: “How are such qualities of superior character and virtue developed in human beings?”

          The answer will be found in the writings of the Founders themselves. As we shall see in the numerous quotations appearing in the following pages, the beliefs of the Founders were based on careful study. They had also been carefully taught. In their respective churches, families, schools, or elsewhere, they had been allowed to acquire a comprehensive system of
          strong, basic beliefs. Throughout their writings and speeches, the Founders
          project themselves as positive believers in a broad spectrum of fundamental
          precepts which they called “self-evident truths.”

          These beliefs are remarkable in and of themselves, but the fact that they all seem to have shared them in common is even more remarkable.

           Beliefs Which the Founders Rejected

          It is interesting that their acceptance of these beliefs necessarily required that they categorically reject some of the more popular intellectual fads which were widespread in Europe during their day. It further required that they reject some of the less tenable positions of certain popular denominations; even denominations to which some of them belonged.

          What we are seeing in the Founders, therefore, is a group of very independent, tough-minded men whose beliefs were based on empirical
          evidence and the light of careful reasoning. Even their acceptance of things
          which are not seen-the existence of the Creator, for example-were based on
          observable phenomena and precise reasoning.

          The well-known psychologist Abraham Maslow, in his book entitled The Third Force, concludes after extensive testing that a mind-set based on a spectrum of well-established beliefs, such as the Founders possessed, definitely produces a higher quality of human behavior and a more positive adjustment to the stresses of life.

          No doubt Cicero would respond to such a conclusion with the observation that these results should have been expected. Beliefs based on reason and self-evident truth brings a human being into harmony with natural law and the eternal realities of the cosmic universe.

          Now we will examine what the Founders had to say about some
          of their better-known basic beliefs.

          Linda I would recommend the Book by Larry Schweikart titled “A Patriots History of the United States”

          Larry Schweikart, a former rock drummer who opened for “Steppenwolf,” is a professor of history at the University of Dayton. In addition to some of the books mentioned here, he has authored over 50 academic articles, dozens of book reviews, and has been a regular guest on “Fox and Friends.”
          History not revised…

    13. EMIRCITNA says

      HOW DO YOU FEEL about ISLAM being openly taught in our public schools?!

      1. Linda says

        If it is done as educational to show the truth about Islam (via History class), I have no problem. I suspect, however, that you saying “being openly taught” you are saying it is being taught as in order to convert children. I would be just as opposed to that as I am having Bible study at public schools.

    14. usafsam says

      First, the Constitution NEVER discusses a separation of Church and State only that the government may not force a particular religious practice on the people of the nation. It allows the people to make their own choice on which beliefs to follow. And you have to look at WHY that was done. Why the Puritans wanted/were forced to leave England and come here to start with.

      Second, I am a Christian and I believe that in many people’s view some of the stories in the Bible are controversial…. It talks of sexual perversions, incest, rape, genocide, fornicating, adultery, men visiting prostitutes, war, destruction and debauchery. It talks about terra-forming, genetic manipulation, invitro fertilization, fortune telling and alien beings…. I could go on but it has many romantic stories as well as history and much of what we once considered science fiction until we were able to make the scientific leap to map the gnome and change an embryo… Face it, the entity we call God is an ancient alien scientist, part of a consortium (hence why it says we and not I in certain verses) and the Earth is all a great experiment. Knowing that does not make him any less believable or powerful. Even the geniuses on our planet will never reach the level of knowledge God possesses. We are blocked from using much of our brain power for a reason – if we unlocked it we would destroy ourselves and the universe.

    15. Doris Will says

      Thomas Jefferson was the first President of the Washington D.C. school board which adopted the Bible as a primary reader.

      1. ABO says

        Thank you for that, Doris.

        1. Doris Will says

          You are very welcome, I get so tired of people who think Freedom of, is freedom from

    16. desert fox says

      …and you don’t understand the purpose of separation of Church and State and what our forefathers meant by it…..and we won’t burn in hell but perhaps you will see all of your friends there.

    17. glorybe2 says

      OK, so you think there is no controversy. Do you believe that ‘Thou shall not kill is an absolute? Do you believe that you should turn your cheek seven times seventy before fighting back/ At 490 blows to the face you will not be alive to fight back. Do you believe that you should take all that you have and give it unto the poor? You could round up a thousand ministers who would beat each other to a bloody pulp over numerous major issues in the NT alone.

    18. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

      You Liberal Lunatic…keep watch the Fake news America was build on Judeo/Christian foundation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are whats wrong with America Liberals are ignorant, racist, evil and low energy!

      Shame on you!

    19. Mathew Molk says

      I DARE because MY God gave me reason and free will. You bible thumpers make me sick.

      By the way, you take the bible word for word without controversy? Just where did you learn Aramaic? Or do you think God spoke German so Gutenburg got ever single word right for you too reads in ,,,,which German dialect did you say it was? . Or you telling me God sent it all down in modern English?

      See how full of shit you are ,,,on all fronts.

    20. Doris Will says

      Linda: Please Google this site get informed: Clinton and Obama Work Against Christians

  2. Motorhead says

    We can tell the lib-retards are a bunch of monkeys!!God Bless America and the 82nd Airborne

  3. downs1 says

    “The fool has said in his heart’ There is no God” (Psalm 14:1). This once great nation is being moved away from God’s truth by the actions of men and women who hate God and deny His word! The Bible contains the truth given by God Almighty, and is written by men who were “inspired” and moved by the Spirit to document what God says and what Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity, did to show God’s power and His amazing love for His creation! It denies much of the pseudo science invented by man, and condemns those who deny the reality of God. It condemns many of the politicians and religious leaders past and present who attempted/are attempting to remove God’s word and influence from our society. It also sheds light on false “religions” and tells us how to be certain of God’s truth. Controversial? Yes, but true, whereas much of the “spiritual” activity we see in our society today is actually demonic: for example, “Political Correctness” is not necessarily what God’s word supports! But the enemy tries to shame us and we are dubbed “homophobes”, or “Islamophobes”, or “xenophobes”. So utterly sad! Judgment is coming!

    1. Mathew Molk says

      I don’t know what God’s word is, Never spoke a single word to me. I have seen his work, though and let me tell you, God knows his work and does one hell of a good job.

      IS not the believer that has not seen yet still believes got one up on the believer that had everything proven to him? God bless you and yours.

      It’s gonna be a long war

      MAGAm love it or get out.

  4. Murphmeister says

    I remember in 8th grade we studied Greek mythology extensively. Some grumbled asking what relevance a totally dead religion had with modern life. The teacher wisely responded that many of the great writers including Shakespeare, Milton, Spenser and Chaucer, all the English Romantic poets, Tennyson and dozens of others alluded to Greek mythology and the lessons taught therein. She even pointed out some examples. She also pointed out that those writers made extensive use of Bible stories and lessons because they were timeless. She further pointed out that because everyone in the class was either Christian or Jewish, we did not study the Bible because she did not want to pre-empt the teaching we learned in our churches. It was not the government’s place to do so.

    But using the Bible in a literature class is extremely valuable in understanding a writer’s text. I think of Keats’ immortal ” Ode to a Nightingale ” stanza VII

    Perhaps the self-same song that found a path
    Through the sad heart of Ruth, when, sick for home,
    She stood in tears amid the alien corn;
    The same that oft-times hath
    Charm’d magic casements, opening on the foam
    Of perilous seas, in faery lands forlorn.

    If one did not know the Book of Ruth, the meaning and imagery might be lost. So, there is good argument why the Bible should be taught as literature or moral philosophy in public schools while avoiding proselytizing.

    1. Mat50 says

      Yes, absolutely. Not only was Greek and the Roman off-shoot religious mythology taught in my Catholic grammar school, but my public NYC college English courses as well as the calligraphy course were all full of references to these ancient stories. They are part of Western culture and the references need to be understood by all educated people.

      1. glorybe2 says

        And yet there are true stories about Christian behaviors that will never be mentioned. One of the early popes had a lude Easter egg hunt involving supplying prostitutes to the cardinals with an orgy that is totally on the wild side. How does one teach what the history of the faith really is without sending people into a frenzy of emotion?

        1. bjpurg says

          I believe it would be great to teach these things about the Catholic Church!! It teaches us about how evil can cause the fall of Christians! It is exactly what Christ taught us to be aware of! There were many evil popes just as there have been some evil televangelists and church pastors. This is WHY as Christians we are to read our bibles and pray ceaselessly to protect us from this evil that we might know it when we see it! Do you??

        2. Bill says

          This is what we want to call “the history of the faith”?! Come on! Maybe a little information having to do with the life of Jesus would be more on the mark, do you think? It’s hard to say that shoveling dirt regarding corrupt popes exactly fits that purpose. There are many ways that the history of Christianity actually has some successful moments, if you dare to look at those. Climbing out of the gutter can sometimes be a rewarding experience.

        3. ABO says

          Lude, really??? The word is lewd. But of course we should all pay attention to the great genius glorybe2 who failed second grade English class. Remedial English for you.

          1. glorybe2 says

            When one is backward it is not uncommon for them to regress to cheap insults. I am quite sure you consider that Christian behavior.

          2. ABO says

            I simply know an idiot when I see or hear or read one and you are particularly well qualified. Your utterly convoluted logic is absolutely amazing! Congratulations.

          3. Norbert says

            At least you now know how to spell the word. You should thank ABO for saving you future embarrassment.

          4. ABO says

            If cheap insults are a symptom then you are as backward as they get.

        4. Norbert says


        5. Mathew Molk says

          YOu want lude? – Who gives a shit about a dead pop – The pop we got now is a balls out commie. Now that’s reliant, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Bible, Torah, or even the filthy koran. If you are looking for “GOOD” books 2 out of 3 aint bad.

    2. Ann Davis says

      What a wonderful teacher you were privileged to have! You learned well. Blessings.

      1. Murphmeister says

        Sh was indeed so wise, so lovely, that fifty years later I remember her and her learned graciousness. May almighty God bless her soul.

    3. usafsam says

      The Romans became Christianized very early on and incorporated Biblical Law into their own society. Greek and Roman philosophy and rule of law was also used in the drawing up of the Magna Carta which we based much of our own Constitution on. Our founding fathers were well educated men who closely followed the teachings of the Greeks and Romans.

      1. glorybe2 says

        I believe it was pope Urban the first who called the Christian knights to fight in the Holy lands. The knights at first refused to come and the communication was that they had plenty of infidel Jews to slaughter without traveling anywhere. The pope replied that they should hurry and get done slaughtering the Jews so that they could go into the Arab regions and kill non Christians. If one teaches the history of the faith all of this tuff also needs to be taught and it gets very grim and nasty. For example the Christian knights often ate the children of captured cities. In some cases they refused to go forward as they had not finished eating the children of captive cities. Various religions have their dark sides as well. Children can not juggle these things well and it is simply to early to teach them that kind of history. Teachers actually count on students not catching the meaning of older materials such as in Romeo and Juliet in which it is made plain that Juliet would have been more popular if she would fall back more often. That is she should have been on her back with her legs spread to make more allies. Yet high school kids rarely catch the meaning of that line.

        1. usafsam says

          I would say that today’s liberal indoctrinated teachers do not know the material or the history enough to be bothered to worry about the curriculum they teach. And yes the so called leaders of the catholic church (I use that term lightly) twisted and perverted the teachings of the Bible for their own sick purposes and still do today.

          1. glorybe2 says

            There are many Christians who do not want religion taught in grade schools. Some are conservatives and some are liberal. As far as the Catholic church goes they have a much longer history and greater size than the other sects so one would expect more unfortunate incidents. However there is no sect that is free of vice and corruption. Care to purchase one of those Jim Baker condominiums? Some of the protestant so-called leaders are now billionaires from con jobs foisted upon the public.

        2. berg1928 says

          I don’t believe this story.

          1. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says
        3. Bill says

          Yeah, teach all the dirt that you can dig up. That’s doing the job! If you try hard enough, you can teach leftist propaganda entirely in the guise of teaching the history of Christianity. You aren’t “glory be 2” anything at all!

          1. glorybe2 says

            The idea of teaching is to teach with equal vigor all aspects of a subject including the lowest and the highest moments of institutions. That does not make a person anti anything. It simply makes one truthful. It is vital that Christians know that they can b sucked into absurd beliefs and actions such as living in Jones town and drinking that Cool Aide or the Branch Davidians who by any measure were stark raving insane. There was not one single Christian in that sect yet they felt they were God’s anointed special people.

          2. Bill says

            Before you start teaching “with equal vigor all aspects of a subject,”
            it seems an excellent idea to figure out the scope of the subject. If one wants to
            rush over to Jonestown to tell everyone what that important incident
            was about, in my opinion you are not teaching Christian History at all,
            but you may be discussing cult phenomena, an entirely different
            subject. When you offer your personal definition of what it means to be a Christian, or give a calculated assertion that there were no Christians among the Branch Davidians, then indeed, even if you are qualified to make such a judgment, why would you consider that a topic of “Christian History”? You just said that there weren’t any Christians there! So, while I find it interesting what you think should be taught as Christian History, my feeling is that you are straining at gnats and haven’t noticed the camel, so far. That’s exactly what radicals do; they pick at a tiny aspect of truth to find any loose thread by which to undermine the bulk of it, until they can get people to believe that they have given a more accurate picture of truth (and of course debunked it by doing so). You are definitely invited to avoid building any false narratives out of small and often unrelated details, under the guise of teaching “with equal vigor all aspects of a subject.” You might be able to suggest a good course on Christian History, but that might better begin by looking at the core of the subject and being sure that it is honestly covered, and then being cautious about rushing out to embrace bizarre, peripheral, and deviant information that, while interesting either as fact or as gossip and propaganda, is not primary subject matter. It’s up to you, of course, whether you would like to include information about Christian History in the course that you suggest, or whether you feel that Christian History as a subject should deal only with why Christianity is so misguided and dangerous. This latter seems to be where you have been heading, and I see no way that it would qualify as honest Christian History.

          3. Mathew Molk says

            I though I told you to go soak your head?

            Get at it asshole, Right now.

        4. ABO says

          And I’m sure you were one of those who failed in that. Thanks so much though for your ever present negativity.

    4. Mathew Molk says

      But that was when there were professional teachers and not s bunch or looses that busted out of another discipline and wanted a soft touch. – Too bad people like your teacher are extinct.

    5. anoesis says

      I don’t even hate to put it on you like this, but I DO know the book of Ruth and she was NOT standing in any grain field (because it was not corn, more likely wheat) crying for her homeland!! She left her land of Moab WILLINGLY to follow her Mother-in-law to Israel. She had been warned she was going to be an outcast because GOD had told the Jews to shun the Moabites (descendants of Lot and an incestuous relationship with one of his daughters) but she went anyway because Israel was the ONLY place she could worship the TRUE and living GOD ALMIGHTY. People, READ the BOOK! IT says to study to show yourself approved. If you don’t study IT you cannot KNOW, when someone submits a comment like this, that it is WRONG!! Well meaning but wrong none the less. GOD had a plan for Ruth and for all Christians. But you have to read and understand the BIBLE to see what that plan was. HE also has a plan for each of us. That child that has no BIBLE teaching at home may find out what that plan for them is through this course. I hope it’s adopted in most of the other states but we already know GOD forsaken states like Californication and the New England states are not going to go for it.

  5. Dean says

    There are many libWits out there that are afraid to pick up and read the Bible, yet they will gladly pick up a satanic book and read with pleasure. They spend hours listening to music using foul language and love it. The watch the most ronchie/perverted movies and think their great. They create disorder in the schools, streets and public meeting and think that is their duty to do so. They for sure feel it is against all their rights that others should have the chance to find out what has been made available for a happy and fulfilling life found within the pages of the Bible.

  6. Marlene Marty Fowler-helfrick says

    After reading the article and then the comments I find myself very sad. All of you seem to be fixated on sin. If you become sin hunters you will only find the bad because you will never see the good in anything or anyone. May the Lord bless and keep you.

  7. BarbaraCharis says

    What the Bible taught me. I did not learn second hand listening to a minister. Asked for guidance and read it for my own comprehension. I learned about a great teacher who came 2100 years ago with a most profound message. His message would have changed the world, if people would have listened. No! few wanted the message, because it was too simple and wouldn’t put money in anyone’s pocket. Matthew 22:35-40 really resonated with me. The Messiah told the lawyer that on two Commandments hung all the law… To me this meant there was nothing more important, because the Law is actually following the One who made us. Moses was given the Ten Commandments and this very spiritual teacher boiled them down to two. The Two were: Love the One who made you and Love One Another.
    If people all this this, we would not have any need for the hundreds of thousands of laws that exist.

  8. Valor says

    Let us be clear on one point: The doctrine of separation of church and state is a false doctrine! That terminology is NOT found anywhere in the Constitution. There is, in fact, only ONE reference to the subject of religion in Constitution and Bill of Rights. ONE! It is located in the First Amendment and was originally known as the Freedom OF Religion Clause prior to the 1950s when secular judges on the Supreme Court decided it should be the freedom FROM religion clause. The clause reads “The Congress shall pass no laws pertaining to the establishment of a religion, NOR THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF!” Writings of the Framers of the Bill of Rights make it clear the intent of the clause was to keep government out of religion, they had no intention of keeping religion out of government. They did not want there to be an official state religion as there was in England and most of Europe at the time. They did not want the government dictating any religious doctrine in any form. Ironically, this false doctrine does just that. When any agent or agency of the government dictates where and when religion may or may not be practiced, the second sentence of the clause is violated. Sadly, this is a classic example of tell a lie long enough it becomes fact. Ask 100 Americans if the Constitution contains the phrase separation of church and state 98 will say it does. The phrase is taken out of context from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a church in Connecticut. That church was concerned the CN legislature was contemplating making another denomination the official state religion. I have to paraphrase Jefferson’s response. He stated the state legislature could not do that because of a wall of separation between church and state that prevents the state from making such a selection. THAT is where the phrase comes from. That is what the Supreme Court decided should be in the First Amendment. The court re-wrote the First Amendment.

    1. Linda says

      Here’s what I posted about the phrase:

      I’m not talking about the actual phrase, but the concept. The ignorance expressed by the far right conservatives is why I call things out. We Liberals do not have an anti-Christian school agenda..that’s made up by you all.

      So, here for your education:

      “Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”
      ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792

      “We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition… In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”
      ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

      “The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
      ~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

      “We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.”
      ~Founding FatherJohn Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785

      There are plenty more if you would just do your research. Have a nice night doing that.

  9. cherieloren says

    God bless Gov. Matt Bevin for bringing God back into the classroom via the Bible Literacy Bill. I am thankful to be a Kentuckian and grateful that my grandchildren will now have equal footing to learn from the Bible (at school as well as home) after all the years of moslem indoctrination via the public school system. Thank you Mr. Bevin, your keen insight, common sense and Christian faith are truly appreciated.

    1. kteissere says

      Let’s hope this movement spreads. God is sorely missing in America and needs to be found again.

      1. cherieloren says

        A great big AMEN to that!

        1. Frank B. says

          No– not really.

          1. cherieloren says


          2. Frank B. says

            No— NOT REALLY!

          3. cherieloren says

            That’s your opinion. I believe that God is exactly what this sad, sick world is in need of. America has been going downhill especially for the last 60 years or so, since Madelyn Murray O’Hare caused the Bible and the Ten Commandments to be removed from the school system. Since then it has gone to hell in a hand basket. The biggest problems in school when I was young was chewing gum in class, now it’s guns and drugs and rampant disrespect and violence. Add to that the indoctrination of islam in our young people and it’s no wonder the world is in the shape it’s in. Only God can fix this mess and I pray He continues to have mercy on us all.

          4. Frank B. says

            What you said is just as much a matter of opinion. Because I don’t believe for a moment, has gone down hill. Now, under trump– you are seeing a decline– that will only get worst. But one things for sure. Trump is nit the answer. If his antics in his first 6 months– hasn’t already taught you that.. Then it’s because people like you simply refuse to see.

            And again– why should I or my kids, be forced to learn YOUR bible, in a public school setting? You speak of discipline in school. I’m all for that… but I don’t think we need YOUR bible for that at all. And when my people are being slaughtered and murdered by racist police officers—-Where is YOUR God for them?

            No thanks lady. Please keep your bible & your god to yourself. I want nothing to do with YOUR religion!

          5. RobGA says

            By saying “my people”, I think that you are implying that you are a “person of color”. Whatever your skin tone, you are still n American, just like the rest of us. And blaming the Bible for any wrongs you perceive as being visited upon your “people” are not substantiated by presented facts. My guess is that any or those perceived wrongs were the actually the result of the greed and violence present in all humans. Also, I that the Kentucky law was putting the study of the Christian Bible on the same level as the current study of the Muslim Quran.

          6. Frank B. says

            No– go back and read what I was responding to. You don’t seem to be able to follow the context here.

          7. william surratt says


          8. cherieloren says

            From your comment I understand why you say what you do, you are obviously a black man who has bought into the racist narcissism of Obama. He has set race relations back 60 years or more. As for the police, there are a few bad apples in every profession but for the most part they are good people who put their lives on the line everyday. Most of “your people” who have been shot and killed by the police brought it on themselves by their own behaviors. When you (any race) pull a gun on a cop, try to take their gun, attack them in any way, you deserve what you get. The police have every right to protect themselves. As for where is my God for them, God has given us all free will, we do what we choose to do and we pay the consequences for it, that can not be blamed on God.
            As for teaching Bible in school, I have no problem with them not teaching it but I do have a problem with them indoctrinating young children with islam while removing every aspect of God from school and our country. This country was founded on Christian-Judeo principles.
            If you don’t believe for a minute that America has gone downhill, you are blind, most likely willingly so. Trump has done more good for this country in 6 months than Obama did in 8 years and there is a simple reason for that. Trump loves America, Obama is a muslim who sided with them in everything and wanted nothing more than to bring this great nation to it’s knees and put it under sharia law. Obama is a traitor who should be charged, tried and given the appropriate punishment.
            As for keeping my Bible and God to myself, you want nothing to do with either, that’s your choice. I will say a prayer that God will touch your heart and draw you to Him, you are free to do as you wish.

          9. Frank B. says

            Racist were around long before Obama came along. And racists like you will be around long after he is gone. You make so many fake ass racist comments, I do not want to continue. Please just die…

          10. cherieloren says

            Yes, they were but Obama did nothing but set race relations back 100 years and now there is so much hatred and vitriol that wasn’t here before he was president. No, I’m not a racist but you most certainly are. You are incapable of intelligent thought or comments so you must rely on the leftist, hateful, rhetoric and pleas for anyone who doesn’t agree with you to kill themselves or “just die.” Don’t bother responding, I’ve wasted enough time with you already.

          11. Frank B. says

            That’s complete nonsense!

          12. gotcha1 says

            It is my opinion that you are completely out to lunch! It is also my opinion that you have to be a CNN – NBC – ABC – CBS – MSNBC news watcher. Only those people have negative comments on Trump. For your information, Trump has done more in his short time than Obama has done in his WHOLE LIFE! Do some research. Do not start with comic books or National Enquirer.

          13. Frank B. says

            So what?!? A “negative comment”– does not make it untrue. He’s a fukkin clown.

          14. gotcha1 says

            The “clown” was and is Obama! What a complete joke! You must be on Crack!

          15. william surratt says


          16. Frank B. says

            You are the biggest, dumbest cracker on this site!!! You’ve got your head so far up trumps lying, stinking butt— that you must be high on his shit! Shove off you ignorant wretch. Stop wasting my fukkin time!

          17. Frank B. says

            Go play with yourself– you little rambo asshole!

          18. Allen Rogers says

            I really don’t blame you for thinking the way you do. Anyone that started school after 1980 has been brainwashed by government school propaganda. Please don’t fall into the herd mentality of the progressives. You did not study American history or American government. With little or no exposure to the study of the Constitution and why it was written, you have little understanding of how special this country is or how it got that way. It is not your fault you were dumbed down by the system but it is your fault if you don’t do something about it.

            “The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.” Adolph Hitler

            “Youth belongs to us and we will yield them to no one.” Adolph Hitler

            “The ultimate purpose of education was to fashion citizen’s conscious of the glory of country and filled with fanatical devotion to the national cause. National Socialism would furnish the necessary elite for the nation.” (Louis Snyder)

            Anyone who attended a government school since 1980 (Federal Department of Un-Education-Jimmy Carter-established Oct. 1979) has been systematically subjected to the socialist anti-Christian propaganda of the socialists who have taken control of our education system. They have also successfully taken over most colleges

            There are others, but Hillsdale College is one exception I know of and they do not accept federal money. They actually believe in God and all students have to take their mandated courses on our Constitution. Unfortunately, many young government un-educated low information voters are willing to trade their freedom for free stuff, and what they believe is security. Many high school graduates cannot read, are unable to write a coherent essay, do simple math, have no idea we have three branches of government, and are unable to name their congressman or senators. But people still send their precious children to government schools not realizing they are really committing child abuse. Hillsdale College offers a FREE on-line course called Constitution 101. Take it and learn about our form of government.

            I regularly go to fairs and other events selling books and talk to many young people. Within 60 seconds I can usually tell if the young person is educated at home or homeschooled. Ah, like, man, you know where I’m comin’ from, ah, man, like. You get the idea.

            Frank, one last comment. I’m sorry your ancestor was taken as a slave and brought to this country because you missed the life experience of living in a tin hut with no plumbing or electricity.

          19. Frank B. says

            I don’t need your permission for any god damn thing. So move along redneck– move along! So please don’t bother me with your arrogant bull shit.

            I know you feel that you have to “take on Frank B”–But I’m not interested in anything you have to say — after such a stupid first sentence. So I didn’t bother to read anymore of your dumb ass post.

            Now cracker– you’ve had your 15 minutes of ignorance– — now you can move on asshole!! Move along!

          20. william surratt says


          21. Frank B. says

            Oh yeah?!? Then why don’t you crackers offer to teach ALL of the other religions? You lying bigoted jackass!

          22. chad says

            I think the who point of Governor Bevin was that Christianity was largely responsible for the formation of America and at least exposure to something like the 10 commandments is good.
            Who could oppose a decent set of rules to live by, except ISIS a holes of corse?

          23. Frank B. says

            But this is 2017– not 1642— And if you aren’t going to offer other religions– I don’t want yours offered!

          24. Frank B. says

            Anybody who doesn’t share your religion would oppose its teachings. Because you don’t need the Bible or the Koran to teach decency.

          25. chad says

            I see your point. Maybe its just being used as history, just as islam is teached as part of world history?

          26. Frank B. says

            I’ve already said I don’t think it should be used at all.

          27. Frank B. says

            Then “voluntarily” offer alternatives!

          28. Rodney Steward says

            These so called racist cops as you call it are trying to do their jobs, it’s not their fault that blacks chose to be stupid and fight back or run, call them names and like most just start trouble in general! When people act like a dumb down animal you get treated like one, and this is just another thing you can blame on the Obama tribe! Atheists usually live a short life anyway, the devil wants them in the pits of he$$ !!

          29. Frank B. says

            Their “jobs” do not include rascism!

          30. Rodney Steward says

            What about the black woman cop with 3 kids murdered by a black thug, was that a race thing! I think it’s just a back thing that got fired up by yo boy, Obama!

          31. Frank B. says

            I think that killer was just another punk criminal, his race doesn’t matter, who got what he deserved. But what the fuk does that have to do with a racist cop who kills an unarmed black kid?!?

          32. Rodney Steward says

            I’m sure there’s more to this than I’m hearing, look at all the black kids that are being killed by drive by shootings, gangs, the Chicago life style, kids are actually killing other kids as young as 13 years, where’s the he$$ raising there!?! No one says a word about that, but let it be a cop or a White man, blacks then go crazy!!

          33. Frank B. says

            What does any of that have to do with a racist cop, who murders an unarmed black kid?

          34. Rodney Steward says

            OK, WHO, WHAT WHEN and WHERE did this happen, why is it not on the news, God knows, the way blacks are about this it would be all over he$$ and back!! Remember the PIGS IN A BLANKET BS by the BLM THUGS!!

          35. Frank B. says

            It has been in the news over, and over, and over, and over, and over again!!

            “pigs in a blanket” —Does not equal an execution by a racist cop!

            Now listen– I really don’t want to discuss something this important– with a Person like you. Nothing personal, but there is just too much you don’t seem to know, or understand. Then you keep bringing up unrelated nonsense. And your racial biases are already cast in stone… So what’s the point?

            So be well. And have a nice day.

          36. Rodney Steward says

            What news, this is the same thing you pulled about a week ago, is it real or are you just wanting to down play cops! I’m sorry for the killing, but WHERE did it happen!!!!!!!!

          37. Frank B. says

            I just told you– I will not talk about something this important with someone like you. Good day to you sir.

          38. chad says

            Do u think its ok to learn about the koran in public schools?

          39. Frank B. says

            Only if it’s ok to learn the Bible in schools.

          40. william surratt says


          41. RobGA says

            YES _ REALLY!!!

          42. Frank B. says

            No- Not Really.

      2. ward says

        GOD gave the U.S. Patriotic Christians & Jews a 2nd chance by electing Trump … !

        1. Mathew Molk says

          I’d throw in the Buddhists and Hindus and a lot of others even including Atheists.Everybody bit the murderous moslems(sic) He gave us all a second chance to make a a good country again.

          MAGA,,,,Love it of get the hell out.

          Want to hear a good one. If the stinking moslims keep it up it looks like it’s going to be the US, Russia, China, J-Pan and a few smaller countries against the rest of the world. – How’s that grab ya? And we will defeat the moslems no sweat.

          I don’t take any stock in it, but didn’t Nostradamus say something like with our allies we have to flatten the filthy moslems and then there will be centuries. Well boychicks, Our former enemies are the only non-moslem counties left so they will be the ones we become friends with against the ones that were rotten moslems in the first place or the ones that were stupid enough to accept “refugees”

          The final conflict between good and evil end we will win this one too.

          1. AKLady says

            How about the murderous Christens:
            The Crusades, The Inquisition, The witch hunts, The Peasants War, French Wars of rebellion, Massacre at Vassy, The Thirty Years War, Pope Sixtus V, Irish Rebellion, Democide in the Americas, Democide in Africa, Democide in Australia, The papal bull Romanus Pontifex – 1455, Slavery in the Americas, Leopold II, King of the Belgians – butcher of the Congo Free State 1885-1908, The Holocaust, Catholic Nazi State in Croatia, Lebanon War, Sabta and Shatila Massacre, Serb Orthodox genocide, Protestant death squads in Ireland, The Rwandan genocide, Zimbabwe — Catholic protection of Mugabe, Lord’s Resistance Army, Central African Republic Catholic murdering of those who won’t convert …, Americans killing physicians and bombing medical clinics, Americans killing church congregations; America – the KKK murders (they are now international terrorists).

          2. Virginia Olafson says

            Christian Americans fought against the Holocaust….the Crusades were against the Muslims way back then, check out a few other you mentioned….

          3. AKLady says

            You need a better history education.

            Christians helped Hitler. Christians have practiced anti-Semitism for centuries. Christians have slandered Jews as “Christ Killers” for centuries.

            Oh, and foolish one, the Crusades spanned 400 years. There were 12 of them. They were ordered by the Pope. The game was land and wealth.

          4. RobGA says

            AKLady…Coutnerpoint: (1) Christians in Germany who opposed Hitler were imprisoned or exterminated, and many thousands of Christians from around the world died to finish Hitler. (2) “Christ killers” was not exactly slander, given the historical record of the crucifixion of Jesus. (3) Jewish authorities actively hunted down and executed Jews who accepted the teachings of the Jew known as Jesus Christ. And even today, many, many Jews view Christians as either heretics or idolaters. (4) The “Crusader” label was created in an attempt to humiliate Christians when in fact the Christian Crusades began as a response to Islamic provocations. The label “Crusader” is more apply applied to Islam which has codified within the Quran that world conquest is an unalterable obligation of all Muslims. And this Islamic Crusade for world domination has been actively waged for over 1400 years.

          5. AKLady says

            Someone did a very good brainwashing you.
            Germany, in the 1930s, was 67% Protestant and 33% Catholic.
            Bormann, Gobbles, Rosenberg and Heinrich were neo-pagan.
            Hitler signed a treaty with the Vatican.
            By the way, Hitler was born and raised as a Catholic.

          6. RobGA says

            Ever read the history of Islam? Rape, pedophilia, murder, poisoning, genocide, beheading, stoning, and war after war after war. Look up why the Shia and Sunni factions hate each other. You can look at other parts of the world and find the same things happening…and Mugabe was backed by thousands of native peoples who were only too happy to hack others to death for a “get rich quick” grab that inevitably plunged Zimbabwe into chaos and abject poverty.

          7. AKLady says

            Have you ever read the history of Christianity? Rape, pedophilia, murder, poisoning, genocide, beheading, stoning, and war after war after war:

            The Crusades, The Inquisition, The witch hunts, The Peasants War, French Wars of rebellion, Massacre at Vassy, The Thirty Years War, Pope Sixtus V, Irish Rebellion, Democide in the Americas, Democide in Africa, Democide in Australia, The papal bull Romanus Pontifex – 1455, Slavery in the Americas, Leopold II, King of the Belgians – butcher of the Congo Free State 1885-1908, The Holocaust, Catholic Nazi State in Croatia, Lebanon War, Sabta and Shatila Massacre, Serb Orthodox genocide, Protestant death squads in Ireland, The Rwandan genocide, Zimbabwe — Catholic protection of Mugabe, Lord’s Resistance Army, Central African Republic Catholic murdering of those who won’t convert …, Americans killing physicians and bombing medical clinics, Americans killing church congregations; America – the KKK murders (they are now international terrorists).

            By the way, there were 12 Crusades, they spanned 400 years.

          8. AKLady says

            Mugabe was a devout Catholic, educated by Jesuits.

          9. chad says

            What about them, you prefer islam, satan, what?
            Crusades?? Whats wrong with them driving muslims out of their countries? The muslims were the invaders, just like they are now in Europe.

          10. AKLady says

            You need a better history education. There were 12 Crusades, spanning 400 years.

            Not Christianity, but the Roman Catholic Church and Pope Urban II.
            In 1095 he called for the First Crusade in a sermon at the Council of Clermont. Urban’s strategy may have been to unite the Eastern and Western branches of Catholicism, which had been divided since the East–West Schism of 1054 and to establish himself as head of the unified Church.

            The fighters were promised forgiveness of their sins for as long as they lived (plenary indulgences). Crusaders often pillaged as they travelled, and their leaders generally retained control of captured territory instead of returning it to the Byzantines.

          11. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            You are one sick vile Liberal hater of Christians You are a liar a fraud and a Moron! You sick demented Liberal Democrackhead racist fool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go suicide bomb yo ASS!


          12. AKLady says

            Get a better history education.

            Also, learn more about your religion. The Bible says your are to kill unbelievers: Deuteronomy 13:6, Deuteronomy 13: 13, Deuteronomy 17:3, 2 Chronicles 15:13, Leviticus 20:27, Matthew 15:1-9, Romans 1:20-32, and Matthew 5:42-44.

            There is more, but that should educate you a bit better.

          13. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            Did I speak truth?
            Did I expose you.
            You all lie
            you don’t know scriptures
            Ru smokin Democrack again?

          14. AKLady says

            No, you spoke hate and bigotry.

          15. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            You are hate, lies and ignorance!!!!!!!!!!

          16. AKLady says

            Trump’s good little boy is going to take Daddy down with him.
            You elected a traitor.

          17. Mary Brumley says

            The problem is that there are over 3 million so-called “peaceful” Muslims in America today! The peaceful one are the ones to be feared for they plan to take over this nation by infiltration into the government starting at low levels and then to high levels.
            Remember Dearborn, and check out Hamtramck, MI.

          18. Millard Huff says

            Bullshit there are NO PEACEHUL muslims all of them are scum.

          19. Mary Brumley says

            Recently, a commenter said, “The only difference in peaceful and radical muslims is that the radical ones want to kill us, and the so-called peaceful ones hope they DO!

          20. Frank B. says

            If god’s choice was trump. Then god must be smoking crack! And drinking way too much vodka these days!

        2. AKLady says

          Islam is also an Abrahamic religion, just as are Judaism and Christianity.
          Like Jews, Muslims worship the Old Testament God of Abraham.

          1. Ann Davis says

            It is only an Abrahamic ideology because Sarah and Abraham sinned having no faith in God’s promise of THEIR son. Sarah convinced Abraham to go into Haggar the Egyptian handmaid who produced Ishmael. After Sarah gave birth to Isaac, Haggar and Ishmael were cast into desert but God saved them because he was Abraham’s son. The person who created Islam was not a person of God. You should study the true life of Mohammed and also the Bible history of Abraham and Sarah. May God bless and help your understanding.

          2. AKLady says

            I expect my religious education is far more expensive than yours.

            The person who taught you to hate others and their beliefs was not s person of God. let alone a Christian.
            Your really need a much better education. Islamic social changes in areas such as social security, family structure, slavery and the rights of women and children improved on the status quo of Arab society.


          3. AKLady says

            Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

          4. Ann Davis says

            As I stated, I will pray for you. And, as I stated earlier in my comments, I do not hate any living human being whether by race, creed or religious beliefs. You, of course have absolutely no understanding of what my religious education nor my religious training has been. Again, I will pray for you, not because of your religious leanings, but because of the vitriol and hate you have exhibited in your comments. May you find peace in your life, whatever your beliefs.

          5. AKLady says

            Your understanding has been published before the entire world,
            Your remarks make your religious education, or lack there of, quite evident.
            Another, holier-than-thou Christian.
            Religion is the scourge of mankind.

          6. Rodzzz says

            If this hasn’t converted her, I don’t know what will.

          7. AKLady says

            Plagiarization n stealing.
            You are a thief.

            You are also a liar.

            Those pictures are from the Venezuelan riots


          8. AKLady says

            .Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

          9. Mary Brumley says

            GODBlessRealAmerica!!!, I love you and love your posts! Thanks.

          10. chad says

            For all these people who constantly complain and hate America, why not just leave?
            You have the freedom to do that here.

          11. Virginia Olafson says

            Muslims are descended from Ishmeal….Who was bannished from Abraham’s household….

          12. AKLady says

            Actually, the religious myth us that Arabs are the decedents of Isma’il and Qahtan. Bukhari’s collection states that Ishmael was taught Arabic by Jurhum’s descendants. (See Sahih al-Bukhari,). Ibn Ishaq, the earliest biographer of Mohammad, refers to people who were not descendents of Abraham as Arabs

          13. AKLady says

            Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

        3. AKLady says

          Muslims worship the same God as Jews.
          Unlike Judaism, Islam recognizes Christ as a great prophet.
          You did not know that fact, did you?

          1. Ann Davis says

            YOU ARE SO WRONG! Muslims and Jews both believe Jesus was a great prophet. Difference is in last days 144,000 Jews will believe and be saved but, alas, no Muslims.

          2. AKLady says

            Biblical numerology …

          3. AKLady says

            Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.
            Also, this picture is a fake, it is a photo shop of riots in Venezuela.

          4. AKLady says

            Plagiarization n stealing.
            You are a thief.

          5. chad says

            Everybody can tell its fake, it just makes a point, looks more like World Trade Center to me.

          6. AKLady says

            Not everyone. You assume too much.

          7. Nellie McConnell says

            A Missionary was at our church and he stated 17,000 Muslims accepting Jesus everyday. This would be great. Saudi Arabia is the biggest builders of Mosque in the USA. And I hope our federal government is watching and conducting investigation on terrors activity in these Mosque. Our kids are subject to Muslim teachings in public schools, Christian parents are not aware of he Muslim influence on their kids. Lots of fraud in Welfare and Foster care.

          8. AKLady says

            Why do you tell these lies?
            Saudi Arabia is America’s ally. It has had Favored Nation Status since 1931.

          9. AKLady says

            More of your plagiarization
            Plagiarization is stealing.
            You are a thief.


          10. AKLady says

            Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

          11. AKLady says

            .Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

          12. chad says

            Yep, the president of Hungary just stated that it is Soros that wants to bring in more muslins to Europe, the EU was following his plan, the downfall of Northern Europe.

          13. chad says

            This stuff is made and placed on the Internet just for that purpose. No law is broken.

          14. AKLady says

            You are confused.
            Stealing is stealing.

          15. usmc354 says

            NOT HARD ENUFF!! Ain’t on the moon yet!

          16. chad says

            Saudi pays for many mosques all over the world, they are spreading their religion.
            Anyone that doesnt see that is blind.

          17. AKLady says

            Prove it.
            Produce the factual evidence.

          18. usmc354 says

            Since Islam and Muslim are not a race but a belief and, if they are being converted, they no longer would be Islamic or Muslim. Jew is a race and not a belief. Therefore, even though I may not agree with Ann, she would be correct on that point.

          19. AKLady says

            You are referring to Messianic Jews. The beliefs of messianic Jews are theologically incompatible with Judaism The Talmud tractate Sanhedrin originally recorded that Yeshu the Nazarene was hung on the eve of Passover for the crime of leading Jews astray. Maimonides, in his Mishneh Torah, describes Jesus as the failed messiah foreseen by the prophet Daniel

          20. AKLady says

            .Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

          21. usmc354 says

            Ann, I have no idea how familiar you are with the one you responded to. That individual is a PAID TROLL! Google paid trolls. I blocked it within weeks of coming on this site. Unless you feel led by GOD to do otherwise I suggest you also block it.

          22. michael a says

            I done same thing blocked her several months ago never see her comments funny when someone eggs on akclownlady, lol

          23. Ann Davis says

            Thank you for the advice. I have a grandson in the Marines stationed in San Diego. Semper Fi!!

          24. AKLady says

            How much am I supposedly paid by?
            How much am I paid?
            Why do you lie?
            Lying is a sin for all who follow Abrahamic religions.

          25. chad says

            Just wonder what country you live in, why you hate Christians, do you like seeing children beheaded for not being muslim?

          26. AKLady says

            I hate lies.
            I hate religious bigotry,
            I support the Constitution.
            You are damning an entire religion for the acts of a few evil people.
            There are evil Christians committing like crimes.
            Why are you not condemning them?

          27. Dani says

            Yes, they believe he was a prophet, they don’t believe he died for our sins, and was resurrected. Allah is not my god. Allah had no son, my GOD did. The Muslim “religion” didn’t originate , until seven hundred, or so years after Christ.

          28. AKLady says

            Allah is simply a word.
            Allah is not the name of a god.

          29. AKLady says

            Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

          30. AKLady says

            Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

          31. JB says

            You don’t know what the word really means!

          32. AKLady says

            Id that how you excuse your behavior?

          33. JB says

            Behavior.?? I wrote a statement concerning your misuse of the word “plagiarism” by which you have attempted to slander “GODBlessRealAmerica” for using the cartoon as an opinion to which he agrees. Your vilification to accuse that writer/poster as a “theif” is unwarranted unless you can prove by supporting documentation and/or credible witnesses what, on the face of it, appears to be a baseless smear claim to distract any of the uneducated toward volatile outrageous comments rather than a cogent argument to further your belief system….otherwise you are just spouting the nonentities of the feebleminded who have yet to post a reasoned comment other than “namecalling”. Please note that anyone’s written/posted comment is an act of deliberative consciousness and therefore cannot be considered as a physical action or reaction to a stimulus in real time, these notes are presented to encourage a deliberative discussion of a matter at hand, or so as I had hoped, your “non-sequitor” again makes no sense…..if you wish to genuinely communicate then try again.

          34. AKLady says

            Wow, a 170 word insult.
            I am so impressed that you felt the need to expend such effort.

          35. f m says

            Who cares

          36. AKLady says

            Obviously, you do not.
            Your parents have wasted their time.

          37. Millard Huff says

            aklady is a nigger don’t talk to her block the bitch like I did.

          38. Norbert says

            Are you sure? She can spell. Her grammar is fine. She can put together reasonable sentences and paragraphs. She must be white.

          39. RobGA says

            Whoa sweetie…”Allah” was a name applied to local gods represented at the Kaaba long before the birth of Mohammad. Furthermore, every word is “simply a word”, but the word “Allah” is used in the Quran, hadith, etc. to identify the god of Islam and Mohammad.

          40. AKLady says

            “…”Allah” was a name applied to local gods represented at the Kaaba …”

            You properly used the plural “local gods”. Multiple gods cannot have the same name, however, the word “god” can be pluralized.

            Islam is a Abrahamic religion.
            Muslims worship the Old Testament God of Abraham.

            The word Allah translates to “the god”, “one god”.
            Allah is the word “god” in the Arabic and Malay languages.
            Since the Koran, Hadith, etc. are written in the Arabic language, It stands to reason that the proper noun, Allah, would be contained therein. It also appears in the Holy Bible written in Arabic and Malay …
            It is no more a name than are Dias, Gutt, Teut, …Elohim, Eloha…
            Educate yourself. Stop embarrassing America.


          41. f m says


          42. Mary Brumley says

            The Arabs had a flash-in-the-pan period in their history in which they added knowledge to the world (for instance, the zero concept to mathematics). But by circa 1000A.D., after the muslims had conquered much of the Middle East, almost nothing. The muslims have mostly only gave death and hatred to our world since.

          43. Virginia Olafson says

            yes I did,,,but Muslims don’t worship the same god….they tell infidels that….but the God of the universe doesn’t behead, stone, and pour acid in faces. There are no honor killings required by the God of the Christians and Jews….

          44. AKLady says

            Christians have done much worse. Denial is simply not a good way to fly.
            You need a better history education.

            Start with these facts: The Crusades, The Inquisition, The witch hunts, The Peasants War, French Wars of rebellion, Massacre at Vassy, The Thirty Years War, Pope Sixtus V, Irish Rebellion, Democide in the Americas, Democide in Africa, Democide in Australia, The papal bull Romanus Pontifex – 1455, Slavery in the Americas, Leopold II, King of the Belgians – butcher of the Congo Free State 1885-1908, The Holocaust, Catholic Nazi State in Croatia, Lebanon War, Sabta and Shatila Massacre, Serb Orthodox genocide, Protestant death squads in Ireland, The Rwandan genocide, Zimbabwe — Catholic protection of Mugabe, Lord’s Resistance Army, Central African Republic Catholic murdering of those who won’t convert …, Americans killing physicians and bombing medical clinics, Americans killing church congregations; America – the KKK murders (they are now international terrorists).

          45. chad says

            You quote what was done thousands or hundreds of years ago.
            Muslim men kill their own children daily for looking at another man, not wanting to wear proper attire, etc or stone them to death.
            Nobody is perfect but I side with Christians.

          46. AKLady says

            You need a better histoty education.

            You need to pay more attention to current events. These Chrstian murders did not take place hundreds of years ago. Some are taking place as you blog.

            The Holocaust, Catholic Nazi State in Croatia, Lebanon War, Sabta and Shatila Massacre, Serb Orthodox genocide, Protestant death squads in Ireland, The Rwandan genocide, Zimbabwe — Catholic protection of Mugabe, Lord’s Resistance Army, Central African Republic Catholic murdering of those who won’t convert …, Americans killing physicians and bombing medical clinics, Americans killing church congregations; America – the KKK murders (they are now international terrorists).

          47. AKLady says

            Allah is a word, not a name.
            Actually, it is two words which translate to “one God”.
            Muslims worship the Old Testament God of Abraham.

          48. f m says

            They don’t worship our God……..all they want to do is kill those who don’t agree with them!

          49. AKLady says

            That is a perfect description of yourself.

          50. RobGA says

            AKLady…And YOU !

          51. AKLady says

            Prove it.

          52. jimmy midnight says

            Many Jewish people, despite centuries of, “Jews killed Christ, let’s kill Jews,” stuff, understand the authenticity of Jesus’ prophecy, but our canon of faith tradition was closed when Ezra, Nehemiah, and Malachai said it was closed.

            Just another reason I’m neither observant nor “believant.” Don’t think our friend ward knows many basic facts of comparative religion. But your compilation of ugly deeds perpetrated by and “Christians,” is a nice bit of scholarly determination. 🙂

          53. Frank B. says

            Just one more reason– I quit being a “christian”… a long time ago!

          54. AKLady says

            Thank you. You may find it difficult to accept, however, my knowledge of religious history was learned at a Catholic university. Talk about admission of guilt. 😉

          55. RobGA says

            AKLady…(1) Muslims most definitely DO NOT worship the same GOD as Jews (or Christians, for that matter). Anyone who actually reads the Jewish and Islamic holy texts will never be mislead into believing that story. Viewing the Jewish GOD thru the Islamic texts is like seeing an object in an fun arcade mirror…distorted and only dimly identifiable. (2) The Jews do not recognize Jesus as a prophet or anything else since he was originally (and still is) seen by Jewish authorities as a Jewish heretic. And the “prophet” Jesus presented in the Quran is most definitely NOT the Jesus Christ presented in Christian Bible.

          56. AKLady says

            Modern Jews recognize Jesus as a Jewish teacher, which he was. They do not believe that he was raised from the dead or that he is the messiah. There are a few references in the Talmud to “Yeshu,” which many authorities understand as referring to Jesus.

            Jesus was born and lived as a Jew, and his earliest followers were Jews. Jesus and his earliest Jewish followers continued to follow Jewish law. Christianity emerged as a separate religion only in the centuries after Jesus’ death.

            There are Jews that accept Jesus as the messiah. They are a movement called Messianic Jews.

            Educate yourself. Your ignorance and bigotry is an embarrassment to all Christianity and to America.

          57. chad says

            Islam is downfall of any country they reside in. We dont need more muslins in Northern Europe or America.
            It has been Christian vs Muslim for a long time and always will.
            If I have to take sides I will always take sides with Christians.
            America and most of Europe is Christian territory, not muslim.
            They have their own land, quite a lot of it, let them stay there.

          58. AKLady says

            Why do you lie?
            Why do you hate?
            Why do you embarrass America with religious bigotry?
            Why do you insult America’s Founding Fathers?
            Why do you insult our Constitution?
            If you cannot abide by the freedom our Founders fought and died for,
            get out of America.

        4. Frank B. says

          See that’s the problem with religion. People like this guy– often try to tie his religion to politics. God did not elect trump. But Russia did. So you can thank putin not jesus!

          1. chad says

            Russia has no effect on the election. Except for the inside deal that Hillary made with Russia to buy 1/3 of American uranium. Should have never been allowed.

          2. Frank B. says

            Well most of America disagrees with you. Now if you have nothing else you’ll add.. Let’s just move on.

      3. Mathew Molk says

        As long as they just trustfully present it and let the kids decide for themselves.

        1. AKLady says


        2. Chi Sam says

          God does not condone 70 year old men drunk driving on suspended licenses.

      4. AKLady says

        What God might that be?
        The Hindu religion has 4,000 of them.
        Freedom of religion — all religions — is the basis of this Nation.

        1. NoGodsForMe says

          Freedom FROM religion as well.

          1. AKLady says

            You are 100% correct …
            For that, many are grateful.

      5. AKLady says

        Which God? The Hindu religion has 4,000 of them.
        Freedom of religion — all religion — is a Right guaranteed by the Constitution.

      6. AKLady says

        Which God? Your God?
        The Hindu religion has 4,000 of gods?

          1. AKLady says

            Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

      7. Frank B. says

        But it’s up to each individual to find his own way. Why can’t people like you respect that?

      8. william surratt says


      1. Mathew Molk says

        Mighty pretty, my friend. Mighty pretty, indeed!

      2. cherieloren says

        Absolutely beautiful! I too believe that God has blessed us with a president who loves Him and who loves America, such a refreshing change from the last 8 years.

        1. Rodzzz says

          Very well put.

          1. cherieloren says

            Thank you Rod.

      3. AKLady says

        Which God?
        Which religion?
        Islam has been a part of America since before we became a nation.

        1. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

          Not you or your Liberal thugs who spew hatred and ignorance in
          America founding fathers which built this nation!

          1. AKLady says

            Darling, the First People were here and built nations long before the Evil British came along and began the wars of genocide.
            The Spanish were here long before the British, they brought Muslim slaves with them.

          2. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            AkLady is a liberal retard here’s what she looks like AKLady live!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            A brainwashed lunatic fool …

          3. AKLady says

            !! Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

          4. Virginia Olafson says

            slaves in 1492 were not Muslim….Islam invaded Afric much later….

          5. AKLady says

            Actually, there are ancient writings that indicate that Arab explorers reached the America prior to Columbus. There is also ancient writings that indicate Chinese sailors reached America prior to 1492. Moreover, we already know that Viking Explores and settlers reached America a minimum of 500 years before Columbus.

            Then there are the genetics of some North American First People indicate that some arrived here from Southeast Asia and the Pacific. Suggest you look at “Luzia” the remains found in southern Chile.

          6. chad says

            I really doubt Arab explorers reached America before Columbus.
            But yes many were here before the British but it all British, all the way to America that we are today.
            No muslims, Chinese, Arabs.
            Vikings, well at least they were European, many Vikings offspring in America to this day.

          7. AKLady says

            Oh, and by the way, Columbus never set foot in America.

          8. AKLady says

            Islam spread to Africa in the 7th Century. Muslims crossed current Djibouti, Somalia and Eritrea to seek refuge in present-day Ethiopia during the Hijarat. (613 CE).

        2. Shane Carroll says

          Beeeeep. Wrong answer!!!
          We’ve had this discussion already.

          1. AKLady says

            Islam was here before the founders.
            The Spanish were here long before the British.
            Get a better history education.

          2. Virginia Olafson says

            the Spanish were not Islamist….They were Catholic and they defeted the Islam (Moors) in 1492 with the fall of Granada…

          3. AKLady says

            You really think that all of Spain, and its slaves, were Christian. Really?
            There has always been a Muslim presence in Spain. Many were slaves (moros cortados). Maybe you should try remembering that Spain and Morocco share a border?

        3. Virginia Olafson says

          not really….where is this….The American Indian was here, not Islam…

          1. AKLady says

            The Vikings came and settled.
            The Chinese came and visited.
            The Arabs came and visited.
            The Egyptians came and visited.
            The Polynesians came, their DNA has been found in South America.

            Chiocken bones found in Chile match the DNA of chickens in Pacific islands like Tonga, American Samoa, Hawaii, and Easter Island. Those bones date to between 1324 to 1424.

            Then there is the small teracoltta Roman head found in Mexico. The Max Planck Institute dated it to between 870 BCE and 1270 CE. Then there is the alleged cocaine residue in mummies …

      4. AKLady says

        .Plagiarization is stealing

        You are a thief.

    2. Rodzzz says

      Of course the evil left does not like it. They are totally against God.and our country.

      1. Tamara says

        They will also reap what they sow sooner than they realize. The road to heaven is very narrow not many will be on it.

        1. Rodzzz says


        2. Mathew Molk says

          More then you might think.

          1. AKLady says

            Obviously more than she thinks.

          2. Tamara says

            You also should pick up a Bible the book of God and do some reading it may be a real awaken for you also.

          3. AKLady says

            After years of education at private Christian schools, I assure you, I am well informed on the Bible’s contents. Thanks to that education, I am also very well informed on other religions. Catholic schools are very good at that, or were when I was that age.

          4. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            Sorry wrong again that Liberal pea brain is going to explode!!!!!!!!


          5. AKLady says

            ..Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

          6. Tamara says

            As I stated not many will be on that road. One needs to read and know the book of God to realize why there will be far and few on that road. Pick one up and read it you may learn something.

          7. Chi Sam says

            Than, stupid.

        3. AKLady says

          Is that why you endorse hate and lying?

          1. Ann Davis says

            Just because one has different political views from you DOES NOT mean they hate anyone nor do we lie if we are true Christians. Granted lots of liars out their but certainly they are on both sides of the street. Please STOP BELIEVING EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON THE NEWS–THE GREAT MAJORITY OF IT IS LIES.

          2. Tamara says

            Thank you and you made a very good point on the news and being a Christian. I see many get really upset when they find out you are one. Wonder what makes them so scared?

          3. Beeotchstewie the deplorable says

            Fake news has done that, for quite a while now. Thing is, we have not seen Christians going on killing sprees and bombing gatherings of people or crushing innocent people with trucks, that’s what satanic Muslims are doing all over the globe, They are the army of Satan, period, no ifs ands or buts about that.

          4. Ann Davis says

            My guess is that even though education and all one faces in our society today has tried to “dumb down” people raised on Christian principles, somewhere deep, deep inside they still believe and do not want to be reminded of that fact so they are desperately trying to destroy it. People have tried since Christ died and rose on the third day but so far have been unsuccessful in their attempts and, praise God, will never eradicate believers nor Christianity from the Earth.

          5. Tamara says


          6. ABO says

            AKLoony, Ann is a true bigot, by definition. Webstr’s dictionary defines bigotry as hatred of complete intolerance of any creed, belief or opinion that differs from one’s own. That is AKLoony, 100%.

          7. Tamara says

            What are you talking about? I am not endorsing hate nor am I lying. You most certainly have a problem.

          8. AKLady says

            Your spews about Islam and Muslims are both.

          9. chad says

            You must be muslim…

          10. AKLady says

            I support the U.S. Constitution. It guarantees freedom of religion. If you do not like America’s laws, find somewhere else to live.

          11. Beeotchstewie the deplorable says

            Just block that vile troll, it is useless.

          12. ABO says

            Her problem, Tamara is her blatant, outright bigotry.

      2. cherieloren says

        You’re absolutely right, it’s a shame they are so blinded, and most are willfully so.

        1. AKLady says

          Yes, darling, you are “willfully so”.
          The road to heaven is very narrow not many will be on it.
          Those who lie and spew hate will not be on it.

      3. cherieloren says

        You’re absolutely right, it’s a shame they are so blinded, most willingly so.

        1. AKLady says

          Yes, darling, you are “willfully so”.
          You post makes that very clear.

        2. Rodzzz says

          well put cherieloren.

          1. cherieloren says

            Thank you Rodzzz.

      4. AKLady says

        The evil right spewing lies, as is usual …

        1. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

          The leftist Racist thugs at it again spewing hate and lies wow no surprise!

          1. AKLady says

            The immature child sewing hate and lies.
            The child spewing nursery-school name calling
            Oh, and we cannot forget your habitual plagiarization (theft).

          2. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

            Aklady you are a ,moron an evil women!!!!!!!

            Keep lickin Dat Liberal Ass ! which one are you licking? Lol


          3. AKLady says

            Plagiarization is stealing
            You are a thief.

        2. Tamara says

          You yourself are evil for spewing lies and hatred.

          1. ABO says

            It’s what she does, Tamara, it’s all she does.

      5. Robert Dostoevsky says

        While this is not the stupidest post, it is right up there with the top 3 or 4. There are more Christians in this country than there are right wing zealots. How can you say the left is against God? Or were you just talking about the “evil” ones? If so, who are they?

        1. Rodzzz says

          You are right of course. The right has its RINOs and the left has its CINOs.

          1. Robert Dostoevsky says

            How about defining what makes a CINO. I hope it’s not just someone who disagrees with you politically.

          2. Rodzzz says

            RINO: Republican In Name Only
            CINO: Christian In Name Only

          3. Robert Dostoevsky says

            I know what CINO means, I wanted you to define one without some political reference.

          4. Rodzzz says

            Everything here is political. We give our opinions on what’s in the news. What I will do is give you an example of a RINO. (John McCain). Now you give me a name of a CINO. If you can’t, you don’t have to. It’s OK.

        2. ABO says

          You respond to Rodzzz’s post with nothing positive, just insults and we’re supposed to think he’s the stupid one not you. Good luck with that. Oh and you might want to learn how to spell the name of the great Russian author, Fyodor Dostoyevsky before you use it as part of your screen name.

          1. Robert Dostoevsky says

            There was never any intention of having a positive response to his post. My family name is as written by my great-grandparents immigration officer.

          2. ABO says

            If indeed it is your family name, then I apologize for my remark. The rest of my response stands whether you expected a positive response or not.

          3. Rodzzz says

            Thanx ABO

          4. ABO says

            Any time, Rodzzz.

    3. AKLady says

      Maybe you could teach your grandchildren respect for the religion of others?
      No, that would be too much for someone who insults Muslims.
      Do you also insult Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs ???

      1. cherieloren says

        Maybe you should go back and read my comment, I did not insult moslem’s, I stated the fact that the public school system has been indoctrinating our youth with islam for many years without teaching anything about Christianity or Judaism. The public school system has done their best to remove Christ from education on every level but they kowtow to the moslems. But to the liberals like yourself, stating facts can not be tolerated while at the same time you scream for everyone to be tolerant of your islamic beliefs. I am assuming you are islamic because of your post I’ve read elsewhere, you always jump to their defense. If I have assumed wrongly, I apologize, but it’s an easy assumption.

        1. AKLady says

          Respect for the religions of others?
          Is that why you write the words Islam and Muslim with lower case?
          I follow no religion.
          They all teach hate in one form or another.
          I suggest you read the Constitution.
          My ancestors fought and died so that you may voice your hate and insults.
          My ancestors fought and died to provide religious freedom for all.

          1. cherieloren says

            The ONLY “religion” that teaches hate is islam, and it isn’t a religion, it is a political, ideological death cult that calls for killing all who will not submit to their damnable sharia law, calling them “infidels.” And yes, I have no respect for islam or it’s pedophilic, raping, murdering leader, so yes, it is in lower case.

            As for other religions, I know of none who spout the hateful, murderous garbage that islam does, nor do they call for the killing of “non believers.” It boggles my mind that you can’t or won’t understand that.

            As for the people who follow it, I don’t hate them, or anyone else for that matter. I pray for them to come to Christ, but if they don’t, I don’t call for killing them.
            MY ancestors fought and died so that YOU can voice your hate and rhetoric, jump to conclusions and make false statements.

          2. AKLady says

            Your entire post spews hate.
            I do not jump to conclusions, nor do I make false statements.

            Christianity calls for the murder of non-believers: . The Bible says your are to kill unbelievers: Deuteronomy 13:6, Deuteronomy 13: 13, Deuteronomy 17:3, 2 Chronicles 15:13, Leviticus 20:27, Matthew 15:1-9, Romans 1:20-32, and Matthew 5:42-44.

            There is more, but that should educate you a bit better.

            Nowhere in the Quran did God say to kill innocent unbelievers.
            Provide proof for your claim.

          3. cherieloren says

            With the New Testament came Jesus Christ, our salvation. We are under grace. Matthew 15:1-9 says nothing about killing non believers, it is scripture regarding commandments to honor father and mother and says if not, let them die the death. It is about punishment for sin, not killing unbelievers. Romans 1:20-32 again is about punishment for sin, nothing about killing unbelievers. Mattew 5:42-44 “Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
            I don’t see how in the world you can get killing unbelievers from that or any of these scriptures.

            As for the quran and it’s instruction to kill the unbelievers:



            I’ve proven my points and considering that you are obviously a troll, I am done wasting my time with you. Don’t bother responding as I will not waste any more time with you.

          4. AKLady says

            The Bible says your are to kill unbelievers: Deuteronomy 13:6, Deuteronomy 13: 13, Deuteronomy 17:3, 2 Chronicles 15:13, Leviticus 20:27, Matthew 15:1-9, Romans 1:20-32, and Matthew 5:42-44.

            There is more, but that should educate you a bit better.

            Nowhere in the Quran did God say to kill innocent unbelievers.
            Provide proof for your claim.

          5. AKLady says

            “But those mine enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring them hither and slay them before me.’” Luke 419:27

          6. AKLady says

            You cannot teach ne to hate.
            Your remarks are anything but Christian.

      2. Rodzzz says

        So you think Muslim is a religion? Did you get this from your favorite mainstream media? Is the left also a religion? or minions of the devil?

        1. AKLady says

          No, I do not think Muslim is a religion.
          Islam is a religion. A Muslim is a follower of Islam.

      3. Tamara says

        Do Muslims tolerate the religion of others? If so why do they kill Christians by decapitation?

        1. AKLady says

          Why do you label all Muslims by the acts of a few?

          Why do Christians in the Central African Republic murder all that refuse to convert? Currently, beheading as a form of execution is used only in Saudi Arabia. The use of beheading for punishment continued well-into the 20th century in both Islamic and non-Islamic nations.

    4. AKLady says

      Islam is a religion. Muslims are members of that religion.
      Obviously, the “indoctrination” never found its way into your frame of knowledge.
      Oh, and by the way, Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews.

      1. cherieloren says

        It claims to be a religion but it is a political, ideological deathcult. NO, they do not worship the same God as Christians and Jews. We worship Jesus Christ, not allah. They are nothing alike. allah is a false moongod made up by mohammed the pedophilic, raping, murdering so-called “prophet.”

        For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (I Tim. 2:5).

        1. AKLady says

          Allah is the word “god” in the Malay and Arabic languages.
          It is not now, and never has been, the name of a god.

          There is only one God. There is no ” mediator between God and men”.

          The very core of Christianity is built upon the Holy Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, God the Hold Ghost.

          Lying is a sin. Stop lying.
          Mohammed was not a pedophile.

          1. cherieloren says

            We will have to agree to disagree.

            For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (I Tim. 2:5).
            Your claim that “there is no mediator between God and men” goes directly against the Bible and makes you a liar.

            You are the liar, so you should stop.

            mohammed WAS a pedophile.



            This is my finale response, don’t bother me anymore, I’m done wasting time.

          2. AKLady says

            You left out part: “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.. ”

            Why do you lie about the word Allah and not DIa, Isten, DIas, Gud, Blog, Zot. Ilaah??????????

            The word “god” in the Malay and Arabic languages is Allah.

          3. Rodzzz says

            Bravo! It’s time for her medication anyway.

          4. cherieloren says

            Thank you Sir. It will take more than medication to get through to her, it will take the mind of Christ, but she wants no part of Him. There will come a day when she’ll wish she had.

          5. Rodzzz says

            You are so right. I think she may be a little confused right now by some strange god. She’ll be fine when the time comes. Christ is very forgiving.

          6. Tamara says

            Christ will never forgive those who turn against Him and not accept Him as His Savior. They are pretty much doomed to gnashing of teeth and burning in hell. Not all will be with their Savior only those that believe Jesus died for their sins.

          7. Rodzzz says

            You must be referring to the minions of the devil on the left who have nothing but hate and contempt for God and our nation. They for sure will burn in hell without any hope. I think there’s still hope for AKLady, she’s just confused right now. She may yet see the light.

          8. Tamara says

            I pray that she does cause the alternative is not looking good for anyone.

          9. Rodzzz says

            I know………….

          10. cherieloren says

            And you’re right as well. I hope she does come to Christ, He will forgive all who ask. I’m so very thankful that He is forgiving…as the saying goes…there but for the grace of God go I.

          11. Tamara says

            Nailed it…

          12. cherieloren says

            Thank you.

          13. AKLady says

            Child marriage takes place all over the world
            Child marriage takes place right hers in the U.S., legally, with a court order..
            Child marriage has nothing, whatsoever, to do with sexual intercourse.

          14. Tamara says


          15. AKLady says

            Child marriage is used to protect fortunes, join ruling families, bind countries …

            More often than naught, the female remains with her family until she has reached reproductive maturity.

            Child marriage is defined by global organizations as a formal marriage or informal union entered into by an individual before reaching the age of 18

          16. Tamara says

            So correct and obviously this AKLady is one of those lost souls who will suffer for rebuking her Savior Jesus. So sad for her. She should pick up and read the book titled “The People vs Muhammad” Psychological Analysis. Muhammad was a very mentally ill dwarf. The book is a real awaken and totally scary how sick this man was.

          17. cherieloren says

            This may be so but I’ve seen her post on several sites and it appears to me that she just likes to be argumentative, more of a troll. I don’t mean that to be disrespectful, just stating facts. This isn’t the first time I’ve had to disassociate myself from her comments, and yet she still continues to “keep on keeping on” with them. She has sent me about 6 other comments tonight and I deleted them without responding.

          18. usmc354 says

            AKLady is a paid TROLL! Google “paid trolls”! I blocked “it” within weeks of coming on this site!

          19. cherieloren says

            Thank you for verifying this. I thought she was, along with being a liberal islamic or muzzie wannabe loon.

          20. Rodzzz says

            You’re right. There’s only one God.

          21. AKLady says

            The word is the contraction from al-ilāh, which means “the god”,
            It is related to El and Elohim, the Hebrew words for God

        2. Rodzzz says


          1. cherieloren says

            Amen. Thank you sir.

          2. Rodzzz says

            What’s with the “sir” all of a sudden mam?

          3. cherieloren says

            I meant no offense. I’m old school, 61, and I only meant it as an expression of respect. I apologize if I offended you.

          4. Rodzzz says

            I like old school. Very few in existence nowadays. Very rare. Stay the way you are but just call me Rod.

          5. cherieloren says

            That I will, Rod. Have a blessed day and a wonderful 4th tomorrow.

          6. Rodzzz says

            Thanx………… I wish you all the happiness in the world.

          7. cherieloren says

            You’re welcome and thank you too Rod.

        3. Tamara says

          Nailed it and so sad there are many that have been lead astray.

          1. cherieloren says

            It is sad indeed but as long as there is breath there is hope and until the day of Christ return, there is time to come to Him. Hopefully many more will turn to Him.

      2. Tamara says

        You are 1000% incorrect Muslims do not worship the same God as Christians and never have. My Christian God never teaches to hate others or decapitate people, rape children and beat their wives. Or kill people who do not believe in the Quran. So are so completely misguided what a shame.

        1. AKLady says

          The Bible says your are to kill unbelievers: Deuteronomy 13:6, Deuteronomy 13: 13, Deuteronomy 17:3, 2 Chronicles 15:13, Leviticus 20:27, Matthew 15:1-9, Romans 1:20-32, and Matthew 5:42-44.

          There is more, but that should educate you a bit better.

          Nowhere in the Quran did God say to kill innocent unbelievers.
          Provide proof for your claim.

          Oh, and you really need a better his tory education. Start with:
          The Crusades, The Inquisition, The witch hunts, The Peasants War, French Wars of rebellion, Massacre at Vassy, The Thirty Years War, Pope Sixtus V, Irish Rebellion, Democide in the Americas, Democide in Africa, Democide in Australia, The papal bull Romanus Pontifex – 1455, Slavery in the Americas, Leopold II, King of the Belgians – butcher of the Congo Free State 1885-1908, The Holocaust, Catholic Nazi State in Croatia, Lebanon War, Sabta and Shatila Massacre, Serb Orthodox genocide, Protestant death squads in Ireland, The Rwandan genocide, Zimbabwe — Catholic protection of Mugabe, Lord’s Resistance Army, Central African Republic Catholic murdering of those who won’t convert …, Americans killing physicians and bombing medical clinics, Americans killing church congregations; America – the KKK murders (they are now international terrorists).

    5. william surratt says


      1. cherieloren says

        Amen and thank you!

  10. 40Helen60 says

    Oh, those Christian, bible haters don’t have a problem with Islam being taught in our schools. Little kids in elementary schools are taught to say, “Allah is great. There is no god but Allah.” It’s time to bring back bible and prayer in our schools. And the ACLU can go straight to Hell, cause that’s exactly where they are all headed. Since Atheist Madelyn O’Hair went to the Supreme Court and had bibles and prayers removed from all schools, our nation has gone to hell. If we want this nation to return to our creator, GOD, then we must return to Him and it’s starts with our children and grand-children. It’s time to once again read teach bible scriptures and prayer in our public schools.

  11. Stephen Griffith says

    I went to a Christian School the last 6 years of my student life. Reading the Bible as well as goning to Church was important. To see the decline in the school system is sad. So much trash being put out. Kids being given so much propaganda, & lies as truth. Parents should teach them to read the Bible & other books with good values, as well.

  12. ABBAsFernando says

    Communist Party USA (Democratic) are slaves to the goals of the goals as reported to Congress in 1963: Liberals are agents or useful idiots of Communist Party USA. Want proof?


    17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
    18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
    19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
    20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
    21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
    22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
    23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
    24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
    28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
    29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
    30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
    31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
    32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
    33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

    Does any of this sound familiar? It should.

  13. Steve says

    About time. President Bush started this Koran study in schools. Why? And President Obama made it

    colossal and worst for Christians.

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  15. GODBlessRealAmerica!!! says

    We need the Bible taught we have to much liberal ignorance and hate!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Deport Liberalism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!