Liberals Horrified By Trump’s “Stop and Frisk” Proposal

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Donald Trump championed the police technique of “stop and frisk” on Wednesday in an interview with Sean Hannity that’s scheduled to air on Thursday night. While it’s not clear whether Trump meant Chicago alone or law enforcement agencies around the country, his comments raised the ire of liberals who used it as another excuse to accuse Trump of bigotry.

Asked what he would do about violence in the black community, Trump said:

“I would do stop-and-frisk. I think you have to. We did it in New York, it worked incredibly well and you have to be proactive and, you know, you really help people sort of change their mind automatically.

“I see what’s going on in Chicago, I think stop-and-frisk,” Trump continued. “In New York City it was so incredible, the way it worked. Now, we had a very good mayor, but New York City was incredible, the way that worked, so I think that could be one step you could do.”

Current New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, who came into office on a platform of ending the “stop and frisk” policies defended by his predecessors Michael Bloomberg and Rudy Giuliani, said those policies were responsible for “creating tremendous tension between police and community.”

Appearing on the Rachel Maddow Show, de Blasio said, “What Donald Trump wants to do is build a second wall between police and community. That’s what would occur if we reinstated stop and frisk.”

In a call-in to Fox & Friends the next day, Trump said he was only talking about bringing the policies to Chicago, where shootings were out of control.

“You can’t let the system go the way it’s going but I suggested stop and frisk and some people think it’s a great idea and some people don’t like it, but when you have 3,000 people shot and so many people dying, it’s worse than some of the places we’re hearing about like Afghanistan, you know, the war-torn nations,” Trump said.

New York City’s stop and frisk policies were ruled unconstitutional by a U.S. District Court in 2013. The judge – Shira Scheindlin – based her ruling in part on the fact that Hispanics and blacks were far more likely to be targeted for stops than whites. Under the new liberal rules of society, any policy that disparately effects minorities is declared automatically racist and discriminatory. Even if minorities were responsible for more than, oh let’s say, 90% of violent crime in New York City. Which they were. And are.

But then we’re right back to the profiling debate. Well, if you’re patrolling a high-crime neighborhood, guess who makes up the majority of the population, criminal and otherwise? But under the idiotic worldview of de Blasio, we should spend all of our time shaking down white tourists in Times Square, sending Grandma through the X-Ray security machine, and spending our anti-terrorism resources on the Patriot Society or whatever extremist white group we can find.

Trump has done this country a great service. Whether he’s right on every issue (or even on this one), he’s at least willing to say the things that liberals don’t want said. A little dose of honesty can help us move this conversation forward a lot faster.

383 Comments
  1. jgfsmf says

    Let Chicago kill itself. Maybe the liberals will come around.

    1. watchman48 says

      The trouble with that is….. There are to many innocent children being killed

      1. RobertNorwood says

        True but tell us something we don’t know. Muslims throw gays off roof tops, abuse and suppress women and yet the liberals turn a blind eye to that; Chicago, it’s just an inconvenience to them, something to be ignored. Welfare children going hungry bothers them so they issue more food stamps, more school breakfast programs because it’s cool and makes them feel like good people. Children getting a stray bullet to the head while playing outside – oh well. Too difficult mentally for them, just forget about it.

        1. watchman48 says

          We are all created in God’s image, Red, Yellow, Black or White we are all precious in His sight.
          I know it is all frustrating…. But God is Judge we are not. We are told to be Christ like and that requires us to share His message of Salvation and love to even our enemies.
          This is not easy I know…
          We know, The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked who can know it? Jer. 17:9.
          Many foolishly believe that allah and God are the same but this is a lie straight from satan…. And there are many Muslims that are turning to Christianity.
          Excluding prayer, God will not intervene with man’s freewill to do evil in most cases.

      2. Mike Burkett says

        No, the real problem is that democraps never grow up and achieve the degree of intellectual integrity required to recognize today’s reality.

        1. watchman48 says

          There are many liberals with great wisdom, BUT there wisdom is of the world. Thou they choose to believe they are much smarter than the conservative or more importantly smarter than the Christian.
          They feel they are justified in their own eyes to lie or even cheat to prove their points… Thus if they need to vote more than once than so be it. They are not only destroying their own chances of eternal salvation but teaching their children the same destructive behavior

        2. watchman48 says

          Many liberals are highly educated but their wisdom is that of the world. God tells us that the wisdom of the world is but foolishness to Him.
          Godly wisdom comes from only God and studying His WORD…

      3. jgfsmf says

        That’s too true. What’s even worse is that they are getting killed already.

        1. watchman48 says

          And it is only getting worse by the week

    2. RobertNorwood says

      No, they will never come around. They are not true liberals – they are infiltrators, termites. They’re out to bring in repression in the form of socialism – the kind venezuela experienced. There is only one answer to them – they must be minimised and marginalised until their opinions, their vote, makes no difference.

      1. Michael S Smith NJ says

        Socialism is not repression Capitalism aka Fascism is

        1. slick willie says

          ignorance is no excuse–niether is stupidity

        2. RobertNorwood says

          Socialism aka Fascism is also. Socialism sounds nice to liberals who want everything easy, unfortunately it always brings in something else – corruption and repression. If none of this were true people would be fleeing to Cuba instead of here.

        3. Donald Evans says

          If your brains were in a humming bird you would be sucking a dogs ass for morning glory.

          1. RobertNorwood says

            Huh…I like that, can I use it some time?

          2. charles17121 says

            Great Reply ! I’m still laughing ! May I use it ?

        4. Patriot says

          I love NJ and lived there for 30 years. Don’t mess it up.

        5. Norman says

          Socialism is oppressive because the big government controls money,
          ideas, skills, talent, labor, resources, products, and services. Hence, the subjects of the big government have no incentive to produce anything because the big government will punish its subjects by taking everything they produce. That socialism and that is oppression. Socialism interferes with and suppresses capitalism.

          Capitalism is freedom – the freedom to spend your money as you want to, the freedom to sell your ideas, talents, skills, and labor for whatever price you can get for them, and the freedom to sell your resources, products, and services at whatever price you get for them. That is capitalism.

          And Capitalism is NOT also known as Fascism, Dimwhit.

        6. Margaret MacGregor says

          Really? Go live in Venezuela and tell us that!

          1. Michael S Smith NJ says

            You Talking about your self ?

          2. Margaret MacGregor says

            No, I’m talking to you. I’m not the one who thinks socialism is the cure for all the world’s ills. I think you should get a taste for what’s it’s like.

        7. Paula says

          That’s right…let the government take care of your every need. I want to keep my job so I don’t have to grovel and report to some welfare agency. If that makes me a fascist, so be it!

      2. Mike Burkett says

        Parasites, masquerading as citizens, feasting on American society. Parasitic trash engineered and engendered by the democraps to retain power. Like muslims, step on them like the cockroaches they are, I bet you here them crack.

        1. RobertNorwood says

          People like you and I are the true liberals because we believe in freedom, Constitutional rights and liberties and judging a person based on the content of their character. We’ll stand up and fight for others while the other side pontificates and makes excuses. They can hi-jack a label, hi-jack a political party but they are what they are and we know what they are.

    3. Michael S Smith NJ says

      again you are another Racist SOB bastard

      1. slick willie says

        again—POS moron

      2. jgfsmf says

        You don’t even know the meaning of the word “racist”. You’re just another unintelligent democrat who believe everything the media says and like all lemmimgs, will following all the rest over a cliff. Now that would be a good way to thin the ignorant herd.

    4. Mike Burkett says

      Definitely a city where the citizens that can afford it are getting out.

    5. curmudgeon VN Veteran says

      Good place for thinning the herd of crooked democRATs.

  2. Justin Seine says
    1. 2starider says

      Should say Pants Up Don’t Loot.

      1. americanoide says

        I love your comment!!!

      2. Michael S Smith NJ says

        Racist SOB bastard

        1. slick willie says

          POS moron

          1. Paula says

            I’m going to ignore this jerk… most likely a paid troll.

          2. slick willie says

            not sure who to ignore—-all are tired of being called a racist SOB bastard by POS morons

        2. RsGoat says

          Who’s racing where? Is there another left turn? I can’t drink beer on line it shorts out my key board.

        3. Paula says

          I see the only racist here is YOU!

    2. Mike Burkett says

      Black lives Matter when they follow legal commands.

      1. Paula says

        maybe black lives will matter when white lives matter to them! You can’t demand respect but give none!

  3. stadalberts says

    No problem with stop and frisk, your not guilty of anything? no problem!

    1. susmart3 says

      You are so right! We need to increase this, especially with more white people! Everyone should be stopped and frisked!

      1. Mike Burkett says

        And everybody is for the ‘precious’ liberal sanctums.

      2. CEM in MO says

        Only those whose attire, actions, etc. REASONABLY raise suspicions or outright provide probable cause.

    2. Michael S Smith NJ says

      That’s not the point it is a violation of the constitution the police should not be able to search you without a search warrant and only if a person is actually being arrested for a crime should they be able to do so without one This is the same reason I am against DUI checkpoints also what about not guilty until proven innocent you are assuming to begin with that the person being searched has or is going to commit a crime.

      1. Mathew Molk says

        Michael, You are totally wrong.

        It is ABSOLUTELY NOT against the 4th amendment and never has been and has been SOP for police departments forever.

        Furthermore in 1968 in the Terry vs Ohio case the subprime Court ruled that is totally constitutional. The Terry case has also withstood dozens of challenges over the years.

        1. drunkenirish says

          And yet you are also wrong, the NSC(National Supreme Court) repealed the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 13th, and the 22nd. So good luck fighting off the NWO NWO FTW!! KILL THE RIGHT WINGERS!!!!!!

          1. carla AMERICAN says

            Are you out of your mind? Kill? Kill? You need to be in a third world country that relishes in killing. Come out and say who you are “leftist”. So good at starting riots,hatred,killing behind closed doors are’nt you? You are a city boy are’nt you? Let us know who you are all comfy and cozy behind a computer and we’ll invite you to the country where real men are,sweetie.

          2. Lyndau123 says

            Carla – it’s the Racist and Muslim mentality to KILL. We need to RID our nation of these, NOT welcome MORE in!

          3. carla AMERICAN says

            AMEN my man

          4. Patriot068 says

            Exactly!!! Notice who’s been doing the Mass shootings!! Heck the latest in Washington State Isa naturalized foreigner has his ( gteen card) was said to be mentaly unstable and was convicted of domestic violence. Killing 5 people lucky it wasn’t more. Dont know if it was he was just mentaly unhinged or if their was any extremist views ( like radical muslim type shit) like the other recent mass shoes have been yet Obozo wants to bring in more in 17 than he did in 16 and killery if elected wants the numbet at 500% more than Obozo. We’re in deep shit because none can be 100%:vetted no matter WTF Obozo says because their are NO RECORDS BECAUSE ALL THAT SHITS BEEN BLOWN UP & DESTROYED! So we’re going to be getting alot of Mikey Mouses, Minnie Mouses , Dumbo , they can say whoever they want to say they are and alot of military aged males (;Jihadist infiltrators)
            Not innocents! Hell even the kids are dangerous! You see the video of the graduation of the class that was made up of 10-16 |ear Olds killing the Syrian soldiers! For thrir graduation ceremony!!
            The Washington Mall shooter I just heard immigrated here as a boy and he killed 5 people! Yeah innocent Muslim kids my ass!! Yet our Govt want to bring MORE IN!! FK THAT!

          5. Denise Mcintosh says

            Most coming are not even women and children…….but we are Islamophobs!!!!

          6. pineapple says

            The high cost of illegal aliens.

            It is no secret that the southern U.S. border is open, allowing
            thousands of people to pour into the country illegally. Ironically,
            Congressmen on both sides of the aisle in Washington are not inclined or
            don’t have the will to do anything about it. Although most support
            legal immigration, there are huge differences on how each side believes
            illegal immigrants and the security of our borders should be handled.

            Liberals
            generally support amnesty for those that enter the U.S. illegally.
            They also believe that ―undocumented immigrants‖ should have all the
            educational and health benefits that citizens receive including
            financial aid, welfare, social security, and Medicaid.

            Conservatives
            are against amnesty for those who enter the U.S. illegally. They
            believe that those who break the law by entering the U.S. illegally do
            not have the same rights as those who enter legally and obey the law.
            They also believe that the Federal Government should do a better job
            enforcing current immigration laws.

            Whether you call them
            ―illegal immigrants‖ or you call them ―undocumented immigrants, the
            undisputed fact remains that when a person crosses the border without
            the proper authority, he/she is breaking U.S. immigration law. Just to
            be clear, there may be some immigrants that had green cards (or other
            legal authority) that either did not renew or replace an expired or lost
            card. This would be analogous to someone who let their driver‘s
            license expire and then proceeded to drive a car. They would be doing
            so illegally. Nevertheless, to put all illegal immigrants into the
            undocumented immigrant category is ludicrous.

            It is estimated
            that there are between 11 and 30 million illegal immigrants in the
            country and that they account for 13.6% of all crime in the United
            States. No matter where you stand on this issue, the facts show that
            the direct and indirect financial costs are enormous. The following
            2013 statistics were extracted from the website fairus.org.1 Illegal
            immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the
            federal, state and local level. Most of the costs (around $84 billion)
            are absorbed by state and local governments. That amounts to an average
            of $1,117 per household. The variance per household is higher or lower
            depending on the demographics of illegal alien populations. Education
            costs absorbed by state and local governments are estimated at $52
            billion annually. Although illegal immigrants that work are required to
            pay income tax, most don’t. Those that do get much of it refunded
            because they are in such a low income bracket.
            According to the
            Bureau of Economic Analysis, illegal immigrants residing in the U.S.
            send $50 billion back to their home countries each year.2 When you
            include legal immigrants, The World Bank estimates the amount to be $120
            billion.3 That is money that is not put back into the U.S. Economy.

            According
            to National Review, $1.87 billion was spent in 2014 on incarcerating
            illegal criminal immigrants.4 In 2009; the Department of Homeland
            Security estimated the percentage of illegal immigrants that are
            incarcerated to be between 11 and 15 percent of the country’s prison
            population.5 Almost all the financial burden was shouldered by the
            states. The State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP), which is a
            federally funded program, does pay for some cost.6 However, it does
            not really matter because it all comes out of taxpayer dollars.

            The
            Government Accountability Office (GAO), using official Department of
            Justice data on criminal immigrants in the nation‘s correctional system,
            reported the following: – Between 2008 and 2014, 40% of all murder
            convictions in Florida were by criminal immigrants. In New York it was
            34% and Arizona 17.8%. In addition, during those years, criminal
            immigrants accounted for 38% of all murder convictions in the five
            states of California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and New York.7 That 38%
            represents 7,085 murders out of the total of 18,643.

            It gets
            worse: Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) removed (deported)
            235,413 criminal illegal immigrants nationwide in 2015, 49% percent of
            whom had previously been convicted of a criminal offense.8 Although the
            numbers are down since 2012, they are still substantial. Do the
            reduced numbers mean that there are less illegal immigrants coming into
            the country or does it mean that ICE has less resources to do their job
            or does it mean they are told to stand down? In 2013 and 2014 ICE set
            free more than 66,000 illegal immigrant criminals who had over
            166,000
            convictions (30,000 for drunk or drug impaired driving, 414
            kidnappings, over 11,000 rapes or other sexual assaults, and 395
            homicides).9 Since their release, many of those have already been
            convicted of new crimes including felonies.

            It gets worse: The
            invasion of illegal immigrants has established and empowered many in the
            form of street gangs. Their growth is fueled by money obtained easily
            through drug smuggling and sales. A 2011 FBI report makes many
            connections between the Mexican drug cartels and various U.S.based
            gangs.10 An out of hand financial and social disruption cost to
            American citizens just continues to grow.

            To make matters worse
            yet: Laws in sanctuary cities help shield illegal immigrants from
            deportation, despite astonishing statistics on violent crimes committed
            by illegal immigrants. These laws, in many cases, are in direct
            opposition to Federal immigration laws. Sadly, the U.S. Senate refuses
            to crack down on America‘s nearly 300 sanctuary cities.
            A 2014
            Reuters article stated that a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed that 70% of
            Americans are deeply worried that illegal immigration is threatening the
            nation‘s culture and economy.11 Concerns include job losses, the
            social landscape, how much insurance costs rise, and other related
            issues.
            Since illegal immigrants typically take low skill, low paying
            jobs, it would be logical to surmise that some portion of those jobs
            are being taken away from legal immigrants. When that happens, few good
            choices remain for them. They are usually left with the choice to go
            back to their home country, get some kind of aid, or enter a life of
            crime.

            Illegal immigration is totally out of control and our
            elected leaders know it. Securing the borders and fixing the illegal
            immigration problem should be demanded by the American people.
            Unfortunately, only about six percent of the population thinks it is a
            major problem (a sharp decline since 2014). They are either not aware
            of the enormity of the issue or they are more concerned about other
            issues.

            The social landscape is rapidly changing and it puts all
            legal citizens at risk for the security of their families and homes. As
            a consequence, it reduces their choices as to where they live, shop,
            and travel.

          7. pineapple says

            “We need to RID our nation of these, NOT welcome MORE in!”

            And that includes liberals/progressives.

          8. Michael S Smith NJ says

            If by leftist you mean I am for protecting individual liberties and real liberties like freedom of speech and the press not false freedom like business to be able to pay its workers as little as possible or for pharmacist to not to fill prescriptions for contraceptives because it “violates their religious believes” That I am for Government taking care of the people and not just everyone out for his or her self That I do not trust business in general I do not think people are poor because they are just lazy Yes I am for a strong National government that looks out for the well being of all its citizens not just a privileged elite few.

          9. Patriot068 says

            WTF ? HAVE YOU BEEN IN A COMA THE LAST ALMOST 8 FRIGGING YEARS? We USED TO HAVE FREE SPEECH! But people ARE NOT ALLOWED FREE SPEECH IN THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE because if you SAY THE WRONG THING TO certain people ” you will OFFEND THEM and be labeled a racist, hater right wing radical etc ! Our QST amendment right has been squashed! We’re not ALLOWED FREE SPEECH ANYMORE! Because TO MANY PEOPLE ARE UPTIGHT A-HOLE WHINERS! if you don’t agree automatically with a leftist liberal they automatically revert to calling you names labeLing you with all sorts of dumb shit . You AREN’T ALLOWED “FREE SPEECH”in the USA ANYMORE!: your supposed to be POLITICALY CORRECT while speaking to someone on the LEFT because they throw temper tantrums if you don’t AGREE 100% OF THE TIME!: which resolves absolutely nothing! It used to be you could disagree to disagree with someone abd not get labeled . Yet stuff got done if both opposites LISTENED TO EACH OTHER! Instead the LEFT EXPECTS YOU TO SHUT UP AND YOUR SUPPOSED TO AUTOMATICALLY AGREE100% WITH THEM . If you disagree! Like I said your laveled with several different names which are uncalled for. FREE SPEECH IS DEAD IN THE USA! THE KEPT HAS SEEN TO THAT AND THE BIASED MEDIA IS THE SAME WAY TOO. THEMedia LIES IT’S ASS OFF and is LEFT LEANING! People have & are being fired from MSM news networks because they TRIED EXPRESTING THE TRUTH AND BE NEUTRAL! But their higher up Leftist bosses fired them.! The media once used to report the news on a Neutral platform and THAT’S GONE!! their us no more free speech in schools neither! Especialy hight educational settings like COLLEGE!! professors have come right out and TOLD THEIR STUDENTS STRAIGHT UP!!! NO QUESTIONS ALLOWED and that the students had to swallow LEFTIST BULLSHIT that this Professor was teaching even though students had questions on certain teachings of the subject they were TOLD! NO DEBATES, NO QUESTIONS! Or to drop the course or that they would be FAILED if they disagreed with the PROFESSORS ON thIS CERTAIN College Campus.! Theirs is NO MORE LEARNING IN COLEGES!! JUST MINDLESS DRONES REGURGITATING BULLSHIT THIS AND OTHER COLLEGE PROFESSORS CRAM DOWN STUDENTS THROATS!!: SO how do kids learn?? THEY DONT!! how can kids learn if their 1st ammendment rights are squashed.

          10. carla AMERICAN says

            Michael, you and all the leftist should be put in the front lines in the WAR against arabs. But you like all other leftist would shit your pants if you had to defend America.Your mouth’s are all spouting crap.Your’re wussies. Meet my man just one time!

          11. Denise Mcintosh says

            it is not the governments job to take care of you!!!! It is your dam job to take care of yourself and whatever children you bring into this world!!!! This I am entitled to sit on my ass and the government should take care of me is bullshit and I would like to meet the parents who taught their kids this shit!!!! I have worked my whole life and taught my kids it is your job to provide for yourself!!!!! That is what i was taught that is what my parents and grandparents were taught! going back to the beginning when my ancestors came to the country way way back when! I want to know where this shit that the government is responsible for any person came from!!! the government isn’t taking care of you it is the rest of the working class in this country getting the shit taxed out of them that are taking care of your ass and we are tired of it and I am one democrat that is sick to my ass of the democratic party and there are a hell of a lot of us that are tired of working our assess off so others can sit around and sponge off us!!!! that is why we left the democratic party and the liberals that have taken over the democrats want to say that there are not high numbers of us…..wait till election day sweetie cause i can promise you we are gonna be there voting for Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          12. pineapple says

            If everyone took care of themselves, every one would be taken care of.

          13. Patriot says

            The only killing that is being done is by criminals in these Liberal cities.

          14. David in MA says

            Maybe the thugs should be rounded up and sent to a FEMA Camp for re-education.

          15. Pam says

            Wouldn’t be enough room, look at our prisons and jails.

          16. pineapple says

            Send them to GITMO. Obama is making vacancies every day.

          17. PatriotGal says

            Who cares about the National Supreme Court! We are a Constitutional Republic and OUR Constitution TRUMPS the National Supreme Court no matter what the libs/progressives/ DEMs/RINOs/New Word Order idiots say or think! They have NO jurisdiction on our country. We will take up arms to that end!

          18. Norman says

            The National Supreme Court? Repealed the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 13th, and the 22nd what? Can’t be the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 13th, and the 22nd Amendments to the U.S. Constitution because the U.S. Supreme Court can not repeal Amendments. On the contrary, the U.S. Supreme Court gets its authority from the Articles of U.S. Constitution and the U.S. Supreme Court must abide by the U.S. Constitution including all Amendments.

            The U.S. Supreme Court repealing Amendments to the U.S. Constitution? Duh. Did you come up with that all by yourself or did you read it on one of the radical blogs you frequent?

          19. Sonny says

            Your name says it all. You must be drunk!

          20. Tired... says

            Well drunkenirish, you certainly lived up to your name.

          21. jaybird says

            Unbelievable!

        2. charles17121 says

          Mathew , Good for you , It looks as though you have done the needed research before hitting the keyboard ! As you know liberal/socialist will buy a pig in a poke as long as it’s wrapped in pretty paper !

          1. Michael S Smith NJ says

            i would rather have more freedom and less safety then more safety for less freedom

          2. pineapple says

            Then move to Saudi Arabia, or one of the other countries where there is less freedom and more “safety”.

          3. Denise Mcintosh says

            thats until your someone commits a crime against you then you sue because you were made a victim.

          4. Tired... says

            “i would rather have more freedom and less safety then more safety for less freedom”

            Michael, I suspect that you and I hold different views on a number of issues, but I agree with you in this case. Truth is truth regardless of who agrees or disagrees. Too many people on both sides are acting out of emotion, choosing to only look one way before they cross a two lane road.

          5. jaybird says

            I don’t think “stop and frisk” as losing a freedom. If you are not up to no good or illegally carrying than you should not have a problem. Too many are committing crimes in this country now.

          6. Tired... says

            If you are talking about random searches instead of those based upon probable cause, then we disagree. I do not want the government to have any more power than necessary. As Franklin reputedly stated “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” (https://books.google.com/books?id=HptPAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA100&dq=%22deserve+neither%22+franklin+-essential&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0Gn6UojUGuPr2wWlnYHoAw#v=onepage&q=%22deserve%20neither%22%20franklin%20-essential&f=false).

          7. Buckeye conservative says

            That’s why the TSA should be done away with!

          8. Michael S Smith NJ says

            I am amazed how conservatives say things about us Liberals that is really describing them

          9. Tired... says

            The description fits both groups. Wise people seek the truth and acknowledge it when they find it.

          10. jaybird says

            Liberal’s do not do their research. Some Conservatives don’t either.

        3. CEM in MO says

          Dang. You beat me to it. A tip of the hat and a thumbs-up to you; you hit all of the points that I was going to make and did so in a most eloquent fashion.

        4. Michael S Smith NJ says

          OK then but how do you determine what is “reasonable”

          1. Pam says

            Safe is how I would feel. Good to know they are alert and doing their job. You really think police enjoy feeling everyone’s stinky body up? It’s gross and a real chore, you worry about catching something 99% of the time , and I don’t mean contraband.

          2. jaybird says

            More terrorist, more crime in the US of A – stop and frisk is the way to go.

          3. Michael S Smith NJ says

            Racist a person who believes his or her  race is superior to other races  who looks upon persons of other races with distrust equates other races with bad qualities and  characteristics

          4. jaybird says

            I know what a racist is and “stop and frisk” is not racist.

        5. Bobbie says

          Amen. 100% right on!!

        6. Michael C. McGregor says

          The the Second Circuit of Appeals ruled on October 31, 2014 that Terry v. Ohio did not apply to Stop and Frisk due to the fact that the police singled out one ethnic group for the vast majority of those who were stopped and frisked. For it to be constitutional it must be implemented legally, every ethnic group/race must be stopped in portion to the demographic makeup of the city and state that it takes place in. So that would mean approximately 72.4% stops would have to be of White women and men,12.6% of the stops would have to be Black women and men, 4.8% of the stops would have to be Asian women and men, 0.9% of the stops would have to be Native American women and men and they would have to stop more women then men. I did not include Hispanics/Latinos due to the fact that they can be of any race from Japanese to German as well as Spanish.

          1. pineapple says

            Why doesn’t that apply to TSA screenings at airports?

          2. Michael C. McGregor says

            Because the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruled in 2007, that “a particular airport security screening search is constitutionally reasonable provided that it ‘is no more extensive nor intensive than necessary, in the light of current technology, to detect the presence of weapons or explosives.’ and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit came to a similar decision in 2006 “airport searches are reasonable in nature and may escalate “in invasiveness if the TSA find a reason to conduct a more probing search.”

          3. Michael C. McGregor says

            Because the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruled in 2007, that “a particular airport security screening search is constitutionally reasonable provided that it ‘is no more extensive nor intensive than necessary, in the light of current technology, to detect the presence of weapons or explosives.” and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit came to a similar decision in 2006 “airport searches are reasonable in nature and may escalate “in invasiveness if the TSA find a reason to conduct a more probing search.”.

          4. jaybird says

            That does not apply to Muslim women.

          5. Norman says

            What if the neighborhood where ‘stop and frisk’ is in effect is predominantly one race? If “every ethnic group/race must be stopped in portion to the demographic makeup of the city and state that it takes place in” as you posted, members of the predominant race in a particular city are going to be stopped and frisked more frequently.

            Japanese, German, and Spanish are not races; those are nationalities.

          6. Margaret MacGregor says

            Why? If the vast majority of the people committing the crimes are black, or Hispanic, or whatever else, it makes sense to stop those people!

          7. David Stewart says

            “Sense” has no place in government actions, sorry!

          8. pineapple says

            Especially common sense.

        7. Michael S Smith NJ says

          i DON’T CARE IF IT DOES OR NOT

        8. Tired... says

          The key phrase is “probable cause.” As long as the searches are not random and the police have a legitimate probable cause, then this is ok. However, it would still be better if these cities promoted concealed carry by law abiding citizens.

          1. jaybird says

            Even with CCW, if your guns shows an imprint/outline in your clothing they can/will stop and frisk.

          2. Tired... says

            Yes, but that isn’t the issue. If you have a license and CC is legal in that city, then you should be released; if you don’t then you should be arrested. I advocated CC as a means of avoiding random frisking without probable cause by deterring crime over time. The point of promoting CC in these areas is to allow citizens to defend themselves, not to avoid frisking..

          3. pineapple says

            If you have a CC permit, just tell the cop so he/she will know beforehand.

      2. James Andrews says

        Exactly; it is a violation of dues process and our Fourth Amendment. This is America, not Nazi Germany!

        1. Patriot says

          What about the violation of the people’s right to walk the streets safely without them getting shot.

          1. James Andrews says

            Police already have a lot of latitude when it comes to stopping suspect people. Probable cause is all they need. The “stop and frisk:” policy is more invasive and abusive, and there is no need for it. New York City has not become any safer due to “stop and frisk”. Our Constitution is there for a reason, and we as a people have certain protections and rights under the law. How about the people’s rights to self defense, which they are often denied (unconstitutionally of course), by cities like Chicago, who still make it about impossible to get a carry permit in?

        2. PatriotGal says

          James, it won’t be much longer with the likes of you and all the other PC wusses who refuse to see the camel’s nose under the tent. How many more American must be KILLED – MASSACRED – WOUNDED on American soil before you idiots awaken to the reality that the moslems are at war with America and Americans on OUR soil, HERE in OUR country!

          1. Paula says

            ONLY when the crime hits upfront and personal! The liberal rags play down everything those savages do! Be it foreign or domestic. I’ve seen what the blogs say, and can hardly stomach listening/watching MadCow and the rest of them, laugh and joke and ridicule anything that might be negative about obama, hillary, muslims, blm. It’s all a right wing conspiracy to them! They laugh and say how silly..and they smirk and snark …and the brainwashed liberals believe it ALL.

            http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/22/republicans-push-benghazi-video-lie-discredit-hillary-clinton.html

      3. Tiger says

        This is a totally different America and when you look at who they frisk at airports, old women and children then let burkas go through come on. We know who is causing these problems you take those people and you profile and you stop and frisk.

        Trump is right O has tied the hands of every agency in favor of blacks and Muslims, when I came home due to my son having a serious accident from this war, they not only frisked me at the airport but they made me take my boots off etc. I told the crowds behind me, I gladly let them do this because I have seen the results of IED, Suicide bombers etc I am an Army nurse serving now. They did the same to me going back to finish out my duty. So what?

        Get your head on straight and stop protecting these animals.

        1. pappy450 says

          Tiger,
          THAT is EXACTLY what happened to me! I was flying to my Daughter’s wedding in WV from Syracuse, N.Y and because I have metal implants in both hips, back and neck., I set off the metal detectors and was taken aside for a “pat down” PAT DOWN HELL…felt up furiously would be more like it. A “thing” in a burka was allowed to GO AROUND the “scanning area” without so much as a question. I had a card from my doctor explaining this, but it was ripped up in front of me and informed “anyone could make these on a Computer” this “thing” got on our flight and didn’t say a thing and was NOT even spoken to by the flight attendants. I was glad to have made it to our first layover without getting blown out of the sky. There could have been ANYONE underneath that rag.

          1. Paula says

            The damn muslims are the ones that got TSA frisking everyone at airports! My God, I can’t understand WHY the damn savages are looked upon as some Golden Goose.

          2. pineapple says

            It’s because Obama is a Muslim.

          3. Buck says

            I heard TSA has never caught any terriost yet. They have given Americans a lot of grief just as they did you. We need to do away with the and let the air ports go back to the old way. Where they targeted the people that looked like terriost. Buck ??⚔?? 100% disabled Vietnam veteran Christian Right wing republican lifetime member NRA and friend to Israel

          4. Tiger says

            Your post is amazing and needs to be out there all over the place. This happens daily to people across this country and yes she could have had anything under there. Under O we have lost our country, our rights and all laws are nothing less than the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party.

        2. CEM in MO says

          Profiling is a scientifically sound tool in policing. It is/was the people (of any ethnic/social makeup) who felt that it was somehow unfair that they were being caught that put the label “racial” in there. Sometimes people are suspicious based purely on who and where they are, the time of day/night they are there and how they are dressed (inappropriate for weather, etc.) and how they are behaving. Nothing RACIAL about it; it works in all directions.

          1. Tiger says

            A U.S. Marshall came up with the Profiling and yes Israel masters at it. Anything that would save American lives is bigoted and racial in O’s world.

      4. Susan Short says

        Hey dumb shxt, why do you get searched when you go into a court house, or go onto a plane, or go into a stadium, etc., etc.?! You liberals will never get it! It’s called crime PREVENTION!!

      5. rocky says

        So… by your way of thinking, ‘crime prevention’ is not acceptable ??

        1. David in MA says

          Gee, the idea works with preventive medicine, doesn’t it?

      6. big KAhuna says

        We are fighting evil & corruption which is on an all time high thanks to Sorros, Obamma, and Clinton. The police have a difficult job at best to keep us safe. I love our constitution and the three in mention above hate it and bypass it ( often). What your advocating aids and abeds the bad people and limits our police from protecting the public- it makes no sense just like political correctness only hides the truth. Enough- common sense is back to stay and if you have nothing to hide- who cares if a person is frisked! Only the evil/corrupt would protest!

        Go Trump!

      7. Barbara Ervin says

        Ever hear of probable cause? TRUMP/PENCE 2016

      8. mac12sam12 says

        If the police see a couple of guys that are making a drug deal, stop and frisk is ok. It also cut down on homicide by firearms in NY.

        1. Michael S Smith NJ says

          Yes of course is they see someone making a drug deal then they can and should but they should not just stop someone off the street in random just because they are of a certain race or nationality or because they dress a certain way

      9. pineapple says

        “…what about not guilty until proven innocent…”

        Tell that to the IRS who can take your assets with no proof of guilt!!

    3. James Andrews says

      I stand with the liberals on this one, and I rarely agree with them. Stop and Frisk policies clearly overstep and violate our Fourth Amendment rights! Wake up people.

      1. Lyndau123 says

        B.S!

      2. Sonny says

        Trump is only talking about Chicago were the murder rate is now about 3,000 a year. Your the one who needs to wake up!

    4. curmudgeon VN Veteran says

      AMEN!

    5. Tiger says

      They do it at the airport only they do it to old white women nothing makes sense anymore.

      1. pineapple says

        It is REQUIRED at airports, but frowned upon by liberals where it is really needed.

        Liberalism is a disease.

        1. jreg9304 says

          The liberal ways of thinking is a real distortion that needs to be rectified immediately and yes it is a disease that starts at the top level in Washington DC.!

        2. jaybird says

          Not a full search of Muslim women.

        3. AntiGOP says

          Then it goes to follow your pineapple has rabies…F’ing idiot..!!

          1. pineapple says

            “Then it goes to follow your pineapple has rabies…F’ing idiot..!!”

            IDIOT’S LIVES MATTER!!

        4. Michael S Smith NJ says

          Buuuuul
          Shiiiiiit

        5. Michael S Smith NJ says

          They shouldn’t do it at airports either

        6. Michael S Smith NJ says

          You have that backwards Liberalism is the cure Conservatism is the disease

      2. jaybird says

        and they won’t do it to women in Burka’s.

        1. Tiger says

          Right.

        2. Walter Flatt says

          IF THEY DONT, THE COULD HAV BLOCKS OF EXPLOSIVES STRAPED AROUND THEIR WAIST, IF THEY FLY THEY GET SEARCHED, IF THE DONT LIKE IT GET A ONE WAY TICKET OUT OF THIS COUNTRY.

        3. AntiGOP says

          They do at Airport everyday u idiot

      3. Buckeye conservative says

        The TSA is merely a paper poster that our government is doing everything to protect us, but in reality TSA can’t find their behind when they’ve gone to the bathroom. Their own internal assessments show they take somewhere around 95% of prohibited items on board while this bunch of zombies are watching the nuns, three year old infants, old farts in wheel chairs and missing the potential bad guys. The comments here are right on point. Do what you think will keep the masses happy with security but don’t ever watch the people in the cities who are most responsible for the crimes. That would be dis-crimmm-in-ation!

        1. Tiger says

          I call that dimmi crimmmm in ation. When the people get enough of this, with them now enough to start on the malls and soon the schools and the nightspots like everywhere else Americans will use their arms and I don’t mean the one’s with hands on the ends to slap um down and take um out.

          1. Buckeye conservative says

            You’re really into black lives matter is my guess. What a hate filled bunch of idiots who are still worrying about the thug Michael Brown and hands up don’t shoot. The whole movement is based on lies. You’re one of those shouting to burn the white burbs. OK, just admit it.

          2. Tiger says

            Are you nuts? I think you posted to the wrong person.

          3. AntiGOP says

            Down Tiger…your the one who’s nuts…

          4. Tiger says

            Excuse me I am a Deplorable and not Redeemable and you are Expendable and used for fodder for the Liberal ideals you are a rope-a-dope.

          5. AntiGOP says

            Tiger you sure do appear to be a rabid pussy not a tiger…

          6. Tiger says

            You most likely came out of a rabid pussy.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq09hAl5EkI

          7. Buckeye conservative says

            Don’t get so pissed. OK, so i did mean it to go to Michael J. Smith. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

          8. Tiger says

            LMAO its OK and not so bad. No big bad for sure.

          9. Michael S Smith NJ says

            Who says he was a thug what proof is there most of the people killed by the police in these incidents had no criminal record and were not doing anything illegal at the time in the few cases they were the “crime” was something minor

          10. pineapple says

            Michael Brown robbed a convenience store prior to being shot by a policeman whose gun Brown tried to take. He then rushed the policeman who ordered him to halt. He did not have his hands up when he was shot.

          11. Buckeye conservative says

            Who?? Anyone who looks at the video of this overgrown giant big enough to be in TV wrestling or looks at the same video of the thug who aggressively charges a cop from whom he had just tried to take a sidearm. That is basically any intelligent person except for blacks who have been convinced by the Democrats they are victims.

        2. AntiGOP says

          And who created the TSA….da…cumservaturds…

          Your such idiots…

          1. David Stewart says

            Hmm, what party controlled both the house and senate in 2001? When knee-jerk response caused TSA, DHS, various other anti-American entities? Oh, I believe it was the Demoncraps!

          2. AntiGOP says

            Well your Belief is delusional as usual…as history shows…

            In response to the September 11 attacks, President George W. Bush announced the establishment of the Office of Homeland Security (OHS) to coordinate “homeland security” efforts. The office was headed by former Pennsylvania Governor (R)Tom Ridge, who assumed the title of Assistant to the (R) President for Homeland Security.

            House Majority: Republican

            With a Drunk Republican POTUS and Corrupt Republican VP Cheney…

            And their idea of smaller Gummermint grew by 240,000 Gummermint Workers

            And the Dems went along with it…as to not would have spelled disaster if something had happened.
            As the GOP would have done the same…

            You folk need to get in touch with reality instead of the tooth fairy..!!

            BTW…OHS is now DHS

      4. Laddyboy says

        Tiger: You forgot the frisking of toddlers in strollers and also three year olds.

        1. Tiger says

          Sad isn’t it. After last nights debates that sickened me with Trumps performance being so shabby I now am concerned.

          1. David Stewart says

            Yep, the guy is a mental midget; the alternative is too evil to consider, tho!;

          2. Tiger says

            You are mistaken he is not a mental anything. He is a billionaire who made his own money and Hellary is a shill who has done nothing and would have never been known if not for riding her husbands coat tails.

            He will tear her to pieces.

          3. AntiGOP says

            “He is a billionaire who made his own money”

            A counterfeiter…great again..!!

          4. Tiger says

            You are posting from the looney bin right.

          5. AntiGOP says

            No…but it does appear you’ve been wearing a long sleeve jacket for some time…
            But do tell them…what ever their doing isn’t working for you..!!

          6. Tiger says

            What works for you? Oh work is something you don’t understand now handouts and free stuff that blows your pants or dress or both up.

          7. AntiGOP says

            Your a jerk…I don’t have time for you…

          8. Tiger says

            Guess I pushed your button. Oh poor baby.

          9. AntiGOP says

            I have a jerk limit and…you went over the 1 limit…

          10. Tiger says

            You are a jerk there is no limit to your idiocy.

          11. AntiGOP says

            Now go watch your cartoons…

          12. Tiger says

            Frankly Daffy Duck has more brains that you.

          13. pineapple says

            If AntiGOP’s brains were nylon, there would not be enough to make a pair of panties for a piss ant.

          14. Tiger says

            He is a Steam Roller she is a cheat and a filthy woman who from the start wrote letters to Alinsky who dedicated his book to Satan. She early on showed her colors taking a 12 year old virgin rape victim, who was in a coma for 7 days and can never have children and blaming her for the rape and getting her rapist off. She is a piece of dung but even dung is more useful.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqk2g4LliZM

          15. AntiGOP says

            FALSE:

          16. Tiger says

            Prove it.

          17. Tiger says

            Your the most uninformed and plugged up person I ever posted to.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8pnk2rvYo

          18. AntiGOP says

            WHAT’S FALSE: Hillary Clinton did not volunteer to be the defendant’s lawyer, she did not laugh about the case’s outcome, she did not assert that the complainant “made up the rape story,” she did not claim she knew the defendant to be guilty, and she did not “free” the defendant.

          19. Tiger says

            If ever there was a dictionary definition for Git you are it. Yes she did to all.

          20. Tiger says

            May she die choking on her lying tongue.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x20it8fH4k

          21. pineapple says

            Were you at the trial?

            EXCLUSIVE: Child rape victim comes forward for the first
            time in 40 years to call Hillary Clinton a ‘liar’ who defended her
            rapist by smearing her, blocking evidence and callously laughing that
            she knew he was guilty
            ‘Hillary
            Clinton is not for women and children,’ says Kathy Shelton, 54, who was
            12 years old when she was raped by Thomas Alfred Taylor in Arkansas
            Clinton was the rapist’s defense lawyer, pleading him down to ‘unlawful fondling of a minor’
            The 41-year-old drifter served less than a year in prison
            The plea came after Clinton was able to block the admission of forensic evidence that linked her client to the crime
            Shelton
            says she’s furious that Clinton has been portraying herself as a
            lifelong advocate of women and girls on the campaign trail
            Clinton accused Shelton of ‘seeking out older men’ in the case and demanded that she undergo a grueling court-ordered psychiatric examination
            The
            presidential candidate later laughed while discussing aspects of the
            case in a recently-unearthed audiotaped interview from the 1980s
            By

            Alana Goodman In Springdale, Arkansas For Dailymail.com

            Published:
            10:06 EST, 9 August 2016

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            A
            child rape victim says she cannot forgive Hillary Clinton for defending
            her rapist in court 40 years ago, saying the Democratic presidential
            candidate attacked her credibility despite knowing that her assailant
            was guilty – and later laughed about it in a taped interview.
            Kathy Shelton was just 12 years old when a 41-year-old drifter raped her on the side of a desolate Arkansas road in 1975.
            Now,
            four decades later, she has agreed to be named and pictured for the
            first time in this Daily Mail Online exclusive because she is furious
            that her rapist’s defense attorney – Hillary Clinton – has been
            portraying herself as a lifelong advocate of women and girls on the
            campaign trail.
            SCROLL DOWN FOR EXCLUSIVE VIDEO

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            Kathy Shelton was just 12 years old when 41-year-old Thomas Alfred Taylor raped her on a desolate Arkansas road in 1975

            +16

            Clinton (pictured in 1974 as a lawyer
            for the Rodino Committee) served as Taylor’s lawyer in 1975, when she
            was just 27 years old
            ‘It’s
            put a lot of anger back in me,’ said Shelton, now 54, in an exclusive
            interview at her Springdale, Arkansas, home in August. ‘Every time I see
            [Clinton] on TV I just want to reach in there and grab her, but I can’t
            do that.’
            In
            1975, Clinton served as the defense lawyer for Thomas Alfred Taylor, a
            41-year-old factory worker accused of raping Shelton after luring her to
            his car.
            Taylor
            pleaded down to ‘unlawful fondling of a minor’ and served less than a
            year in prison after Clinton was able to block the admission of forensic
            evidence that linked her client to the crime.
            In
            a lengthy interview with the Daily Mail Online, Shelton said Clinton is
            ‘lying’ when she claims to be a lifelong defender of women and girls.
            Shelton
            said Clinton accused her during the case of ‘seeking out older men’,
            and demanded that the 12-year-old undergo a grueling court-ordered
            psychiatric examination to determine whether she was ‘mentally
            unstable’.
            ‘I
            don’t think [Clinton’s] for women or girls. I think she’s lying, I
            think she said anything she can to get in the campaign and win,’ Shelton
            said. ‘If she was [an advocate for women and children], she wouldn’t
            have done that to me at 12 years old.’
            While
            Shelton gave an anonymous interview to the Daily Beast in 2014, she
            said wants to start speaking out publicly, in part because ‘I think a
            lot of people would look at [Clinton] in a different way’ after hearing
            her story directly.
            ‘I
            want to speak to the world. Out there at the White House, so everyone
            can hear me,’ said Shelton. ‘That’s always been my thing since the
            anger’s built up. I want to speak out like [Clinton] does, and let the
            whole world hear it.’
            For decades, Shelton said she had no idea that Clinton was the same woman as the lawyer who defended her rapist in 1975.
            During
            the case, Clinton accused the 12-year-old of ‘seek[ing] out older men’
            and ‘engag[ing] in fantasizing’ in court affidavits, and later laughed
            while discussing aspects of the case in a recently-unearthed audiotape
            from the 1980s.
            On
            the audiotape, Clinton indicated that she believed Taylor, her client,
            was guilty, saying that his ability to pass a lie detector test ‘forever
            destroyed my faith in polygraphs’.

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            +16

            Shelton’s
            (pictured left as a child and right as an adult) rapist’s defenses
            lawyer was now-Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. Shelton
            says she’s furious that Clinton has been portraying herself as a
            lifelong advocate of women and girls on the campaign trail

            She
            also laughed while describing how she was able to get a world-famous New
            York City blood expert to question the admissibility of forensic
            evidence that was misplaced by the crime lab after it was tested.
            The
            tape, which Shelton said discredits the notion that Clinton truly cared
            about protecting young girls, raises new questions that she wants to
            ask Clinton directly.
            ‘I
            heard you on tape laughing,’ said Shelton. ‘I just want to know, you’ve
            got a daughter and a grandbaby. What happens if that daughter of yours,
            if that would have been her [who was assaulted at age 12]?’
            ‘You
            would have protected her. You don’t know me, so I’m a piece of crap to
            you,’ added Shelton, who lives in the same small northwest Arkansas town
            where she was raised by a single mother. ‘Who cares about me, as long
            as you can win your first case as an attorney?’

            I
            don’t think [Clinton’s] for women or girls. I think she’s lying, I
            think she said anything she can to get in the campaign and win. If she
            was, she wouldn’t have done that to me at 12 years old.
            – Kathy Shelton
            The
            criticism of Clinton comes as Democrats seek to highlight the
            candidate’s early career legal work in support of women and children.
            At
            the Democratic National Convention last month, the candidate and her
            surrogates repeatedly highlighted Clinton’s year-long stint at the
            Children’s Defense Fund after she graduated from law school in 1973.
            ‘I
            went to work for the Children’s Defense Fund, going door-to-door in New
            Bedford, Massachusetts, on behalf of children with disabilities who
            were denied the chance to go to school,’ said Clinton in her speech.
            ‘It
            became clear to me that simply caring is not enough. To drive real
            progress, you have to change both hearts and laws,’ she added.
            Former
            president Bill Clinton also praised his wife’s work at the Children’s
            Defense Fund, and Donna Brazile told the convention that during that in
            the 1970s, ‘Hillary didn’t want to talk about anything other than how to
            make children’s lives better’.
            One
            year after her job at the Children’s Defense Fund ended, 27-year-old
            Clinton moved to Fayetteville, Arkansas, where she married Bill
            Clinton.
            There,
            she helped launch a legal aid clinic at the University of Arkansas,
            which provided legal advice to individuals who could not afford it.

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            Shelton (pictured aged 12 with her mother) was raised in Springdale, Arkansas by a single mother

            In
            1975, Clinton was given the most consequential criminal case of her
            legal career – defending Taylor on charges of first degree rape, after
            the defendant requested a female attorney.
            Since
            then, Clinton has spoken about the case only rarely, writing in her
            biography that she successfully ‘cast doubt on the evidentiary value of
            semen and blood samples the prosecutor claimed proved the defendant’s
            guilt in the rape’.
            After
            the Roy Reed interview was published in 2014, Clinton defended her
            role, saying that as an attorney she was required to defend her client
            to the best of her ability, despite the nature of the crime.
            ‘I
            asked to be relieved of that responsibility but I was not and I had a
            professional duty to represent my client to the best of my ability,
            which I did,’ Clinton said.
            According to Shelton, Clinton’s public response left many questions unanswered.
            ‘She
            didn’t mention that she was laughing and saying [Taylor] was guilty. I
            guess as a lawyer it is your responsibility to defend someone,’ Shelton
            said.
            ‘But if she’s for women and children, why would she defend someone knowing that a 12-year-old got raped?’ she added.
            Shelton said she ‘wasn’t surprised’ that Clinton has yet to express sympathy for the plight she went through as a victim.
            She said: ‘If she brought it up there would probably be some questions asked that she wouldn’t be able to answer.
            ‘Because
            after laughing on that tape, she’s pretty much stuck in knowing that
            she lied, knowing that it happened to me. And that tape’s out there to
            be listened to by anybody.’
            On
            May 10, 1975, Shelton, an outgoing 12-year-old tomboy, had been riding
            her bike around the neighborhood when she first encountered Taylor – who
            worked at a paper factory at the time – and an underage male at one of
            her friend’s houses.

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            Shelton still lives in the same small northwest Arkansas town where she was. Pictured above is her home in Springdale
            The
            Washington County Sherriff’s Office said the case files from the
            assault were unavailable and may have been lost in a flood, making it
            difficult to compile an independent account of the case.
            But
            according to a timeline reported by Newsday in 2008, Shelton got into
            Taylor’s truck after he said he would take her to get a soda.
            Taylor drove to a ‘weedy ravine’, where he and his 15-year-old male acquaintance raped her.
            Taylor
            and his 15-year-old accomplice denied raping Shelton, although one
            unnamed witness of the attack told prosecutors that he overheard Taylor
            sexually assaulting Shelton, according to court records.

            She
            didn’t mention that she was laughing and saying [Taylor] was guilty. I
            guess as a lawyer it is your responsibility to defend someone. But if
            she’s for women and children, why would she defend someone knowing that a
            12-year-old got raped?
            – Kathy Shelton
            ‘They
            denied it and said I asked for it,’ said Shelton. ‘Do you think I would
            ask to have several stitches down there and not have kids? No, I
            wouldn’t.’
            Shelton
            said she was a virgin before she was raped, and her mother was very
            strict about her relationships with members of the opposite sex.
            ‘My
            mom didn’t even let me start dating until 18 and then I didn’t want to
            because of what happened,’ said Shelton. ‘I didn’t deserve it…I was a
            virgin, let’s put it that way, when it happened. And I was totally
            freaked out.’
            Shelton said she was physically beaten during the attack.
            ‘I
            can’t cuss, but [Taylor] was calling me the ‘b’ word, and [saying] ‘You
            like it, you know it’,’ said Shelton. ‘Slapping me and hitting me with
            his fist.’
            A witness to the assault told the prosecutor that ‘he overheard Thomas Taylor having had sexual relations with the victim’.
            Medical
            examinations ‘reflected that the victim herein had, in fact, had sexual
            relations consistent with the time stated by her wherein she was
            attacked,’ according to court filings.
            Shelton said she managed to escape her attackers to a nearby house that had a light on, and later woke up in the hospital.

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            Shelton,
            pictured biting into an ice cream bar at a Baskin Robbins shortly after
            the attack, said it took her a long time to trust men again following
            the traumatizing rape
            Shelton
            recounted the brutal assault that she said left her with severe
            internal and external injuries. She said she was knocked into a coma,
            and later required stitches in her genital area.
            ‘When
            I came out of the coma, I had several stitches down there. They tore me
            up bad,’ she said. ‘The doctors said there was a 99 percent chance I
            couldn’t have kids. I have been with a couple men after that, it took me
            a long time to grow there. But I never had any kids.’
            As
            a result of the attack, Shelton said doctors told her it was unlikely
            she would ever be able to have children. She said she was devastated by
            the prognosis.
            ‘When I was younger I really wanted a kid so bad,’ said Shelton, who has never had children. ‘I love kids.’

            +16

            Hillary Clinton, pictured above in
            1979 with husband Bill, was Taylor’s defense lawyer. Despite spending
            years working for the Children’s Defense Fund, once Clinton was
            appointed she dove in to defend her client with characteristic vigor
            On May 13, 1975, Taylor was charged with first-degree rape, which carried a sentence of 30 years to life in prison.
            Although the court initially appointed a male attorney to represent him, Taylor later demanded a female lawyer.
            The lawyer Taylor received was Hillary Clinton, who has given varying accounts about how she ended up on the case.
            In
            an unpublished interview in the 1980s with Arkansas reporter Roy Reed –
            which was first reported by the Washington Free Beacon in 2014 –
            Clinton said she agreed to take the case as a personal favor to the
            prosecutor.
            ‘The
            prosecutor called me a few years ago, he said he had a guy who had been
            accused of rape, and the guy wanted a woman lawyer,’ said Clinton in
            the interview. ‘Would I do it as a favor for him?’

            HILLARY CAUGHT LAUGHING ABOUT RAPE CASE ON TAPE
            Hillary
            Clinton joked about the guilt of an accused child rapist she defended
            in court, according to long-buried audio recordings from the 1980s that
            were first published in 2014.
            During
            a taped interview with Arkansas reporter Roy Reed in the 1980s, Clinton
            can be heard laughing at several points while recounting her legal
            defense of Thomas Alfred Taylor, the 41-year-old man who was accused of
            raping a 12-year-old girl in 1975.
            ‘I had [Taylor] take a polygraph. Which he passed – which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs,’ said Clinton, chuckling.
            Although
            the interview was not published at the time, Reed later donated the
            recording to the University of Arkansas Special Collections library. It
            was first published by the Washington Free Beacon in 2014.
            Clinton
            said the ‘sad part’ of the case was the ‘prosecutors had evidence,’
            including Taylor’s underwear that was stained with blood and semen.
            According to Clinton, crime lab investigators cut out the stained
            section of fabric when they tested it, but accidentally threw it away
            afterward – which gave Clinton an opening to get the key piece of
            evidence against her client tossed.

            Clinton
            took the underwear to New York where she tracked down a famous
            forensics expert, who confirmed for her that there was no material left
            on the underwear for the defense to independently test.
            Clinton said she returned to Arkansas and handed the prosecutor a clipping of the renowned forensic expert’s biography.
            ‘And
            I said, ‘Well, this guy’s ready to come from New York to prevent this
            miscarriage of justice,’ said Clinton, laughing. ‘So we were gonna plea
            bargain.’
            The
            charges against Clinton’s client were dropped from first degree rape –
            which carried a 30-years-to-life prison sentence – to unlawful fondling
            of a minor. Taylor was sentenced to less than a year in prison.
            On
            the recording, Clinton said she took the case – in which Taylor was
            accused of raping a 12-year-old girl after luring her into his car – as a
            favour to the prosecutor.
            ‘A
            prosecutor called me years ago, said that he had a guy who was accused
            of rape, and the guy wanted a woman lawyer,’ said Clinton. ‘Would I do
            it as a favour to him?’
            Clinton
            gave a slightly different account in 2014 after the tape was published.
            She said she was appointed to the case and had asked the judge to
            remove her, but the judge ordered her to stay on. The prosecutor told
            CNN a similar story.
            Later,
            Clinton said she was ordered by the court to defend Taylor, and
            unsuccessfully petitioned the judge to remove her from the case.
            The prosecutor gave a similar account to CNN in 2014.
            Whatever the circumstances, once Clinton was appointed she dove in to defend her client with characteristic vigor.
            One of Clinton’s first moves was to raise questions about the credibility of the 12-year-old victim.
            In
            a July 18, 1975, affidavit, Clinton asked the court to order Shelton to
            undergo a psychiatric examination from a doctor selected by the
            Taylor’s legal team.
            The evaluation was necessary, she argued, because Shelton was ’emotionally unstable.’
            ‘I
            have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a
            tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,’ wrote
            Clinton. ‘I have also been informed that she has in the past made false
            accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body.’
            The 12-year-old girl also ‘exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way’, argued Clinton.

            +16

            Clinton has been portraying herself as a lifelong advocate of women and girls on the campaign trail

            +16

            Shelton said Clinton accused her during the case of ‘seeking out older men’ in court papers

            +16

            Clinton made a motion for Shelton to go through a psychiatric exam as part of the 1975 trial
            Clinton
            said she spoke to a child psychology expert who told her that ‘children
            in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual
            experiences’, and that this was particularly true for ‘adolescents with
            disorganized families,’ such as Shelton’s.
            Although
            Clinton’s legal maneuver would likely be prohibited today under
            Arkansas rape shield act, the law was not passed until two years after
            the case.
            Shelton said one of her worst memories of the case was being questioned repeatedly by appointed experts.
            ‘It
            got so bad that I told my mom I wasn’t going back, and whatever
            happened, happened,’ said Shelton. ‘It’s sad that a 12-year-old had to
            go through what I had to go through, because for days I cried and cried
            and cried over it.’

            It
            got so bad that I told my mom I wasn’t going back, and whatever
            happened, happened. It’s sad that a 12-year-old had to go through what I
            had to go through, because for days I cried and cried and cried over
            it.
            – Kathy Shelton
            In the end, the psychiatric examination wouldn’t make or break the case, Clinton disclosed in her interview with Reed.
            The prosecution’s case centered around forensic evidence – a pair of blood-and-semen stained underwear worn by Taylor.
            ‘The sad thing was,’ said Clinton, ‘The prosecutor had evidence. A pair of underpants, which was bloody.’
            But, Clinton explained, the crime lab had accidentally thrown away the soiled section of cloth after testing it.
            She took the remnants of the underwear to a renowned forensic expert in New York City.
            He told Clinton there was not enough blood left on the clothing for the defense team to conduct its own independent testing.
            Clinton returned to Arkansas and presented the prosecutor with the famed forensic expert’s biography.
            ‘I
            said, ‘This guy’s ready to come from New York to prevent this
            miscarriage of justice’,’ Clinton told Reed, breaking into laughter. ‘So
            we were gonna plea bargain.’

            +16

            Shelton said she decided to start
            speaking out publicly, in part because ‘I think a lot of people would
            look at [Clinton] in a different way’ after hearing her story directly

            +16

            The prosecution affidavit shows that
            investigator Kim Smith spoke to people who Shelton said were present
            when the incident occurred
            Taylor, who had been facing 30 years to life in prison, was able to plead to significantly reduced charges.
            ‘Got [Taylor] off with time served in the county jail,’ Clinton said. ‘He’d been in the county jail about two months.’
            According to court records, Taylor was sentenced to one year in the county jail with two months reduced for time served.
            At one point on the tape, Clinton suggested to Reed that she believed Taylor was guilty of rape.
            ‘Of
            course, [Taylor] denied [raping her]… I had him take a polygraph, which
            he passed – which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs,’ said
            Clinton, chuckling.
            Shelton said this was one of the most upsetting parts of the tape.

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            ‘[Clinton]
            was just trying to make herself big and look good, and it’s what she’s
            doing now,’ said Shelton. ‘She’s not for women or children.
            ‘I think if she got called in another case of a rape, and she didn’t know the people, I think she’d do the same thing again.’
            Shelton
            said she has led a difficult life since 1975. She previously struggled
            with drug addiction, and, about a decade ago, she served time in prison
            for fraudulent checks.
            Shelton
            told a Newsday reporter who interviewed her in jail in 2008 that she
            had no hard feelings toward Clinton for defending Taylor.
            But she said after the memories of the case came back and the Roy Reed tapes were released, she is no longer forgiving.
            ‘I’ve
            been in trouble before… and I think it’s because of the life I led,’
            said Shelton. ‘That can make you think bad thoughts, and go down a wrong
            road, thinking I’m no good.’

            +16

            The city of Springdale, where Shelton grew up and still lives, is the fourth largest city in Arkansas

            +16

            Taylor, who was 41 at the time, was charged with rape in the first degree after attacking Shelton in 1975

            +16

            The rape in the first degree saw a sentence of 30 years to life, but in the end, Taylor was sentenced to only one year in prison
            Shelton said for years after the assault she also found it difficult to have friendships with men or be alone with them.
            ‘For
            years I would hardly even be around men,’ she said. ‘I felt like I
            wanted nothing to do with men at all. I would dress like a guy so they’d
            leave me alone.’
            Shelton, who says she’s is a lesbian, also said she has not dated for many years and prefers to be on her own.
            Since
            2008, Shelton said she has turned her life around. She lives in a
            modest rental house in the same town where she was born.
            She
            likes to spend time at home with her two cousins and their children,
            who call her ‘Aunt Kathy’, and other friends in the area.

            [Clinton] was just trying to make herself big and look good, and it’s what she’s doing now. She’s not for women or children.
            – Kathy Shelton
            Shelton went to therapy for over a decade after the rape.
            In
            one photo of her taken shortly after the attack, she gives a toothy
            smile as she bites into an ice cream bar at a Baskin Robbins.
            Her brown hair is cut in a shaggy style and she is wearing a boyish button-down plaid shirt.
            She said the photo was taken by her therapist, remembering that she was allowed to take that day off from school.
            In
            the photo, Shelton looks younger than her 12 years. Today she looks
            older than 54, with wrinkles and heavy bags under her piercing blue
            eyes.
            She said she sometimes finds it hard to talk about the attack, all these years later.
            ‘Sometimes
            I still break down and cry, since it’s been brought back up,’ she said.
            ‘I’m trying right now not to tear up, but it’s kind of hard sometimes.’
            But
            she said that won’t stop her from speaking out about what she went
            through – even if it is politically uncomfortable for one of the world’s
            most powerful women.
            ‘I’m being restored for something that was stolen from me,’ she said.

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          22. dondehoff says

            Tiger, I suggest you are comparing the “clarity” of the speaking, not the “content”. Hillary spent a lot of her time insulting Trump, which he graciously overlooked. His “content” by far, exceeded Hillary’s. .

          23. Tiger says

            Indeed yes his content was potent. We now know she used hand signals with that nose scratching to make the Moderator take heat off her and we also know Trump was always against the Iraq war but a supporter once we got into it so that Moderator was doing Hellary’s bidding.

            Trump will do better, by that I mean take her out next time around. No woman card, no mercy, no prisoners go for the jugular. If he doesn’t he will get into a mess with his supporters. We want someone to speak to her the way that Doug Collins, Congressman from Georgia chewed up and spit out Comey telling the God’s truth about that shill and saying God help us if Hellary gets into office.

        2. Rick Rogers says

          sorry guys but there is a constitutional amendment against illegal Searches. Its one of those Rights american’s have. Its been Ruled unconstitutional and if I cop touched me to frisk I would inform him that there will be a law suit naming him for violating my rights. The Good Cops Know better. The Bad ones use it as a weapon to try and show they have the power.

          1. GODBlessRealAmerica#1 says

            Frisk and search is GREAT we need it in America frisk and deport liberals that will work…. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d9d01fde6718cdf847ed26c8de4160a9a32444019a6e85cff42e786b1064169.jpg

          2. dondehoff says

            Rick, the issue is not that “cut and dried”. A passenger on commercial transportation can be searched, to protect the lives of other passengers and the vehicle and the court has determined that to be not only “reasonable” but “obligatory: It is “reasonable” in that we all know that to use such vehicles, the owners have an obligation to protect all, which is a “greater need” than just yours. Would you object to searching passengers of airplanes, trains or buses in which you or your family were going to use?. If you would object, how do we protect the lives of those hundreds of others?

          3. Rick Rogers says

            It is actually very cut and Dried. If they are driving down a public highway or walking on the street or riding a bike the Police have no right to stop them unless they have reason to believe they have done something wrong and they have to tell that person what it is they are suppose to have done. Stop and Frisk is unconstitutional and that is about as cut and dried as you can get.

        3. dondehoff says

          “Lad……”, the terrorist have used “toddlers in strollers”, children’s backpacks and “little ol” ladies”—-and they all have been told they are going to heaven. Read a translation of just Surah Nine (out of 114) of the Muslim’s Qur’an. It is Muhammad’s “deathbed” revelation and it “abrogates” almost half of the Qur’an, especially the earlier love, peace, understanding, equality, forgiveness and “other” religion’s “revelations”. After Muhammad’s Surah Nine, the severely abrogated Qur’an becomes a full “declaration of war”: against all we “non-believers” (Infidels)—and clearly destroys their statement that Islam is a “Religion of Peace”. Note, the Qur’an is completely lacking in chronology and the paragraphs (Surahs), (other than the first, which is a prayer), are placed in the document by their “length” with the longest ones being at the beginning (other than the very first prayer) and the shorter ones towards the end of the document. Neither the Surahs nor the abrogations are dated and to understand “what is going on”, one must have a detailed understanding of Muslim and Arabic history and development. For verification, ask Google or one of the other search engines for a list of “abrogated” Surahs. You should also check in with the websitem “Jihad Watch”.

          1. Laddyboy says

            Thank You. I did not understand about the “order” of the “comments” in the koran. What I do know is that the First koran was about peace. The Second koran is about total destruction of “non-believers”. I have read the koran for myself as one of our Past Presidents has done. The koran is a bunch of HOG-WASH. mohamMAD stole and PLAGIARIZED ideas from the Torah and the Bible in his first koran. After he was rejected by the PEOPLE OF THE BOOK, he went on a revenge rampage which he made popular.

          2. dondehoff says

            “Laddy….”, take notes, there will be test questions later!. The Muslims take great pride in the fact there has been no changes in the Qur’an that they use. In fact one of the Surahs (paragraphs) clearly “reveals” (paraphrased), “One shall not change a single period, word, sentence, Surah (Paragraph) or meaning, under penalty of death—and the Qur’an further states, (again paraphrased), “any later revelation, that changes an earlier one (abrogates), takes precedence over the earlier revelation—-well the Qur’an is filled with such later “revelations”. However, they like the rest of the Qur’an, are undated and the lay person has no way of understanding which takes precedence. Again, Surah Nine, out of 114) which was Muhammad’s “death-bed” revelation abrogates about half of the original document–Just ask Google for a list of the abrogated “revelations”—you will be amazed. To really understand Islam, you must obtain and read their “Reliance of the Traveller (Sic); A classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law”. It is well written and indexed and more importantly, does not have abrogation or chronology issues and it is cross referenced to the Qur’an. As for a good translation of the Qur’an, I use the “approved”, M. M. Pickthall’s “The Glorious Qur’an, 1st English Edition, 2000”. It is in old English and a little “stuffy”, but lays out the Qur’an in a very readable manner—and again, it has been “approved” by the Muslim hiaarachy.

          3. Michael S Smith NJ says

            The Koran or Qur’an was written by mere mortal so was the Bible and all other religious books which are just books of myths and fairy tales

    6. Norman says

      Every notice how radicals (they are radicals not “liberals”) are strongly opposed to law-abiding citizens LEGALLY carrying concealed weapons but are strongly in favor of criminals ILLEGALLY carrying concealed weapons?

      1. Patriot068 says

        Don’t forget it’s these same morons who want to legalize drugs! Which is retarded! They want their drugs legalized, yet they don’t want stop n frisk! Typical liberal idiots. So instead of illegal drugs & illegal guns they will just have illegal guns and LEGAL DRUGS! totaly unacceptable
        I say STOP N FRISK EVERYONE!! HI many more INNOCENTS MUST DIE FOR THEM TO DO STOP N FRISK which will catch people illegal carrying weapons and SAVE LIVES!

        1. sox83cubs84 says

          You’ll find that “retarded” is a synonym for “liberal”.

          1. Patriot068 says

            LOL isn’t it in the Websters dictionary?? !! The definition of a Liberal is =:Retard, mushy brained zombie drone lol

          2. sox83cubs84 says

            Yeah, but you gotta remember…since liberals are retards, they probably can’t read the dictionary.

        2. Michael S Smith NJ says

          LEGALIZE THE USE OF ALL DRUGS ALL GAMBLING AND PROSTITUTION AS WELL ALSO EUTHANASIA , POLYGAMY POLYANDRY

          1. Patriot068 says

            Liberal eutopia LOL

          2. Michael S Smith NJ says

            its UTOPIA you moron and your saying us Liberals are stupid HA!

          3. pineapple says

            You forgot pedophilia.

          4. aschark says

            and beastiality which is legal, along with homosexuality in the Armed Forces of the USA.
            http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/senate-approves-bill-legalizes-sodomy-and-bestiality-us-military

          5. carla AMERICAN says

            That one he probably already does, all of them do.

          6. Michael S Smith NJ says

            No that is not the same

        3. Bob Marcum says

          They consider “stop-and-frisk” to be an unjustified show of bigotry, but; they champion the authority of the government to have access to all your e-mail
          privacy. They say, don’t bother the criminals. Let’s go after the innocents, equally. Now; that’s liberalism, at it’s finest.

          n

          1. Michael S Smith NJ says

            Wasn’t the PATRIOT act a Conservative idea

          2. Michael S Smith NJ says

            That is not Liberalism in any shape and form you are all so so wrong !

          3. Michael S Smith NJ says

            Reagans AG Ed Meese said that if the police arrest someone that means they are guilty isn’t our system of Justice states that a person is assumed innocent until proven guilty so here you have a CONservative saying the exact opposite

      2. Michael S Smith NJ says

        This Liberal is all for law abiding persons to be able to carry weapons in public concealed or not as long as they do not brandish them in a menacing or threatening manor you should be able to take your weapon into most public places but not into any place where intoxicating beverages are being consumed or certain public government facilities like court houses or schools but law enforcement persons and school employees teachers and other staff should be able to, Hey I believe that a person who is not dangerously mentally disturbed not on parole or probation for a crime nor has been twice convicted of a violent crime has the right to have an own any type of weapon except for Atomic/Nuclear Biological or Chemical Weapons of Mass Destruction just as long as they are properly licensed and registered

        1. pineapple says

          “I believe that a person who is not dangerously mentally disturbed not
          on parole or probation for a crime nor has been twice convicted of a
          violent crime…”

          That eliminates most of Congress.

          1. Michael S Smith NJ says

            Most of the Greedy Oligarch Plutocrat party any way

          2. pineapple says

            And ALL of the Democrazy Party!

        2. billdeserthills says

          Get back to me when those laws actually prevent the commission of a crime

          1. Michael S Smith NJ says

            So, no regulations on gun ownership what so ever

        3. R. T. says

          Liberals are all for law abiding people caring guns then why is it every time there sensible new gun law infringes on law abiding people , A criminal can go down to the corner get a gun and within hours kill someone !
          Hiltery will take care of that with her victims can sue manufactures and sellers , there wont be anyone to make or sell them ! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0b24b981ab4add8acc0eb029a6b28fb8b1fd5aad197c77eccb344a03b5ba6a11.png

          1. Michael S Smith NJ says

            So you believe that you should be able to buy a gun like you do a pack of gum

          2. R. T. says

            Most gun violence is with illegal sales to criminals , and terrorist use sleeper very well ( obey laws pass any background check then attack ) , but it sounds like you don’t want any guns so we all end up like Chicago !

          3. pineapple says

            “…there wont be anyone to make or sell them !”

            They will simply come through the U.S. southern border like illegal drugs do, along with diseases that are being spread.

          4. R. T. says

            Yes and 99% of them will go to criminals !!!
            I’ve always said that if they can get DRUGS in they can get guns to !!!!!!!!!

      3. AntiGOP says

        Is that Norman Bates of the hotel fame..???!!!

    7. AKLady2015 says

      Which other Constitutiolnal right are you willing to give up?

    8. Tired... says

      I realize that response feels good in the moment, but what happens when those in authority use this power to randomly stop citizens without cause looking to find anything, not just weapons? Don’t think that can happen in America? Who would have thought that the FBI would ignore perjury or that the IRS would target one group of Americans based on political affiliation? That mentality presumes that the government has the authority to abrogate individual rights without cause and that is unconstitutional…I don’t care who supports it.

      Perhaps we should consider another alternative to jack-booted authority. Chicago and New York would be safer places if they allowed the average law-abiding citizen to carry a concealed weapon with frangible bullets, but heaven forbid that the government should allow people to exercise their constitutional right.

    9. elropo says

      Guess you don’t know police do you!! sucker

    10. Rick Rogers says

      The Jews in the 1930’s said pretty much the same thing. Did not work out so good for them.

    11. dondehoff says

      “stad……”, the 4th Amendment clearly states, “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated……” You personally may not object, but what if you are on the way to a hospital emergency, late for an important meeting or date with a beautiful girl. I find it amazing that your cryptic post has 26 “thumbs up”.

  4. 2starider says

    Prog/Libs. are for all forms of gun control except this one. And they claim to want ‘common sense’ gun laws while showing no common sense at all.

  5. RobertNorwood says

    Are Liberals horrified by common sense or is it all part their subterfuge? When you are gnawing away at the underpinnings of a society your act must have all the props, all the lies, repeated, put up and acted out constantly.

  6. SouthernPatriot says

    Rudy Giuliani initiated “Stop and Frisk” along with other measures to help reduce the rampant crime in NYC. Crime was reduced drastically. Liberals mounted increasing pressure by electing left wing idiots to be major of NYC who compromised and finally ended the “Stop and Frisk” policy. Since that time crimes have increased greatly in NYC.

    Liberals and Democrats are demented. A simple process in concert with other simple processes greatly reduces crime.

    1. jimmy midnight says

      Stop & Frisk, the famous legal firm where no one can see harassment.

      1. Lyndau123 says

        Better to harass a KNOWN criminal than allow him to continue on with his crimes and murders!, MORON!

        1. jimmy midnight says

          As far as you, and you and your authoritarian friends are concerned, darker skin color = known criminal.

          1. Norman says

            White people did not give young, uneducated, black, inner city males the reputation for being criminals. The young, uneducated, black, inner city males gave themselves the reputation for being criminals. We can’t change their bad reputations. Only they themselves can change their reputations. They better get started.

          2. Lyndau123 says

            AMEN! So true! They riot, burn and DESTROY family businesses that have nothing to do with their riot, and roam the streets like rabid dogs and they expect ANYONE SANE to respect them? I think NOT! And they blame it all on race! No, it is Barbarism and lack of any decent upbringing! They bring it on themselves. So many Blacks have made it BIG in America where they NEVER would have anywhere else even when they didn’t grow up in million dollar mansions. So how about THEM? They DID it with hard work, ethics and morals and decency, not rioting!!

          3. Paula says

            Dr. Ben Carson, prime example of beating poverty! The two “loves” of mine are Col. Allen West and Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke. I’m sure there are a lot of success stories of black businessmen & women…who don’t seem to harbor hatred towards whites.

          4. jimmy midnight says

            Well, we disagree about that. A certain sub-culture among white Americans, with their proclivities for, and susceptibility to, fear mongering, are responsible for the filthy meme around black criminality

          5. Norman says

            What’s to disagree with, jimmy? It is a FACT that young, uneducated, black, inner city males are overwhelmingly responsible for the violent crimes in their own neighborhoods.

            And it’s not racist either. It’s simply a FACT. They have to clean up their own neighborhoods. We can’t. Now the BLM goons are trying to expel the police from the neighborhoods the police should be patrolling most.

          6. jimmy midnight says

            And young white males bear primary responsibility for crime in their neighborhoods, as well.

            If “they,” “Have to clean up their own…” why don’t them po-lice leave ’em to it?

          7. Norman says

            Indeed! Young, uneducated, white, inner city males should pull their pants up around their waists and clean up their own neighborhoods too. Now we agree about something!

          8. Lyndau123 says

            You are 1000% WRONG! If you have a rap sheet a mile long, including assaults and attempted murders like so many of your kind HAVE, YOU are a SUSPECT! PERIOD. End of STORY! How many crimes are on your own rap sheet, huh? Fess up! So SICK of your kind!! No matter what your skin color is!

          9. Paula says

            Pull the race card… it’s very tiresome now. You liberals have over used it.

          10. jimmy midnight says

            The truth’s wearin’ you out. No wonder you’re tired.

    2. J.B.Jacobs says

      If it will work in NYC it ought to work about anywhere. Why don’t they try it in Chicago? If it will work there, it WILL work anywhere.

      1. curmudgeon VN Veteran says

        Rahm ‘Dead-fish’ Emanuel and his crooked democRAT cronies block it!

        1. J.B.Jacobs says

          You’re probably right. I imagine that’s why it is getting worse all the time. Thank’s for your service.

      2. PatriotGal says

        Yes, in NYC killings were 2500+. Mayor Giuliani initiated Stop and Frisk and murders went down to 500. Now, that’s a HUGE decline. Of course, Sandinista supporter diBlasio refuses to use it.

        1. J.B.Jacobs says

          Until we get people in office that are more interested in what is best for the people, and forget about political correctness we will never see change in this country, not for the better anyway.

    3. Moe says

      Many liberal viewpoints endanger others that hold no opinion on their twisted logic and become victims of it. Examples, Chicago’s 3,000 thus far murder surge, the violent Central American illegal alien street gangs on Long Island are only teenagers, the release of big time major drug lords since their crime or they did not directly murder the innocent, bringing in thousands of refugees quickly with little regard for a good background check, allowing most newly arrived illegal aliens to remain here and quickly and secretly be spread amongst us, the release of dangerous illegal alien criminals and felons once caught back onto the streets in secret. Allowing protestors to physically injure police officers, as cops are ordered to stand down, loot small stores owned by local merchants while police stand by, set fires, poke holes in fire hoses being use to put out building fires they started. All this endangers others to satisfy the left. If people try to protect their families, communities, and private property by being a critic they are labeled a racist, bigot, and nazi as anarchist control the streets.

  7. Denise Marino says

    I think stop and frail is a good idea. Right they have the officers hands so tied that they are not respected anymore. Criminals get protected more than our officers. Also illegals can do whatever and go to a sanctuary city and get away with murder. Our country has gone to he’ll. It’s sad. Our forefathers would be turning over in their graves.

    1. alegalcitizen says

      More like spinning in their graves. Wouldn’t you love to ask them if they want to risk their lives storming the beaches of Normandy IF they could see what is going on in this country today???

      I’m SURE they would volunteer to be slaughtered if they only knew that they are bringing in Muslims by the boatload, allowing illegal aliens to come here illegally and breed out the wazoo.

  8. Denise Marino says

    Whoops I meant frisk

    1. Patriot says

      We knew what you meant. Only liberals will criticize you saying you can’t spell or something like that. We all make typos.

  9. americanoide says

    Democrats will challenge Trump in every word he says, no matter how much good he can do to the country. They only care for power, not to save America.

    1. Patriot says

      Exactly.

    2. PatriotGal says

      americanoide, that is PRECISELY why we are in the mess we are today – the libs/progressives/DEMONcRATS/RINOs. They neither care for nor love our beloved America. They have destroyed our laws so that they can hide behind corkscrews with their ideology.

    3. Paula says

      I had a conversation with my granddaughter…. she is bi-racial. Only saying that so you can see where I’m coming from. I suggested that she watch the debates with me on Monday. I was floored by what she said. Trump’s an asshole. I’m for hillary. Really why? She said (she got this from her black friends) Trump wants to send ALL blacks to Africa! She said, I’ve never been there and I don’t want to go! Did I mentioned I was floored? That is absolute bullshit, I told her (she’s 20 years old). You watch the debate with me..then make up your mind. She agreed. I hope Trump doesn’t pull his punches with that greedy evil b*tch!

      The liberals and the liberal RINOS are killing us! They know it and they don’t give a s*it!

      Sorry about all the swearing… i get very passionate about the state of our country!

  10. Denise Marino says

    I do not like auto correct it changes what you type. I typed hell

  11. peter says

    Liberals hate anything that works in helping to reduce crime. It reduced crime in NYC by 80% when they used it.

    1. Kenny Albert says

      Because all liberals are criminals.

      1. curmudgeon VN Veteran says

        Not all criminals, but all have a high degree of stupid!

      2. Patriot says

        Including the one lady running for president.

        1. Norman says

          Lady running for President? What lady is running for President? Neither Donald, hilLIARy, Jill, or Gary are ladies. Jill Stein might be a woman but no lady is she. And there is much debate whether hilLIARy is man or a woman. LOL!

  12. Tinman Jones says

    Heck, we hafta do something. Great proposal! Romans 12:12!

  13. daveveselenak says

    Quite simply, the loony Left has a death wish; God has left them with a reprobate mind and they can’t discern EVIL from GOOD or RIGHT from WRONG! They have a death wish as they are a culture of death: abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality! They are sick and twisted and are killing this nation!

  14. jim says

    All the Liberals care about is the Black vote. They don’t care whether stop and frisk makes sense or not. All they want is to do whatever they feel the Blacks want, so they will continue getting their support at the ballot box. Why don’t these same “Left Wing” morons think about creating some jobs for the African-Americans by stopping illegal immigration or allowing our manufacturing jobs to be sent to other countries. How about doing something to improve the educational system in our inner cities. The Liberals always talk a good game and do absolutely NOTHING. All they want is to remain in power and to do so they have to create a permanent underclass that will rely on them, so they can always count on their vote. The last thing they want is for African-Americans to be successful, because at that point they won’t need the crumbs that the Liberals promise them before every election.

  15. Gerald A. Reason says

    If the race baiting media and certain black advocates would tell the truth, there would not be the great divide. There seems to be more black on black murders (at least in our area) so S&F would benefit the black community. Rather than frisking, they could just provide each unit with a want and then all they would have to do is, when they saw someone who was suspicious, is to wand them and frisk if the wanding indicated some major metal object. We could then call it “stop and wand”. The media has so skewed their reporting, and some black “leaders” (like Al Sharpton) have blamed everything on racism, that they have neglected a major problem existing in America, in general; The lack of respect for law and order, and for authority — this is in schools, in stores, all throughout our society. Exercising our rights also demands that we accept the responsibilities that go with them. Yes, this also goes for the ones in authority, they have responsibilities they must be held to. The problem is, you cannot demand that one meet there’s while the other is called a victim because they do not meet their responsibility.

  16. Carol says

    What is wrong with saving life’s? With taking the “bad guys” off the streets? OH, it’s the liberals that are against it because they don’t care about having blood on their hands….they are all for abortions, right? UNTIL it happens to someone they know, then things are different, for a while anyway. They are the same group that want to take guns away from law abiding citizens and allow that bad guys to stroll down the street with nothing to worry about. Also if a person is stopped while driving, yes the cop can frisk the driver.

  17. curmudgeon VN Veteran says

    The liberals are scared of stop and frisk since the crime rates would drastically drop especially if Barack Hussein Obama can be stopped releasing them back on the streets immediately after being convicted and jailed.

  18. charles17121 says

    Stop And Frisk worked great in New York City until the they elected a socialist mayor to run the city .
    Socialism has never worked and never will work as long a people use common sense .

  19. Tiger says

    Yet they are not horrified at the facts that ISIS is already here and coming in with the hundreds of thousands of refugees, all agencies have told Congress they are. They are not horrified at BLM calling for killing of police. They are not horrified at anything but something that makes sense. So if profiling in place, like in Israel and something happens you don’t frisk, like they are doing at airports white, old grannies and little children you frisk those whose beliefs are counter to ours and killing us.

  20. Moe says

    Before getting on the NYC subway, I had by bag checked by police officers. Every so many folks passing by were selected. I have no problem with being searched, or padded down for a weapon, or them looking for a bomb. I understand, the safety of all comes first. The majority of our police are silent heroes and most of us appreciate them and respect their authority. All professiona, every profession has bad apples and liars that do not belong in that profession, not just cops. Example look at Attorney General Lynch, she lies and obstructs Justice, yet we are expected to ignored that? Who investigates a dishonest DOJ or FBI?

  21. Dianna9490 says

    THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH! STOP & FRISK – if u r NOT GUILTY SHOULD NOT CREATE A PROBLEM- PERIOD! TRUMP IS RIGHT- AGAIN!

  22. Tammy Lundy says

    Sure there will b abuses of the stop and frisk however why not let the officers discretion decide since its his life on the line. Who cares about what the person’s race is when the issue should b about safety for all.

  23. IgnoreTheFools says

    There comes a time when it is necessary to use unpleasant techniques in order to keep the peace, that being said it is a must Do to have someone in charge who we can trust, and his Name damn sure ain t Obama or Hillary. Rudy G. would be a great choice. Remember Kennedy put a man on the Moon, Obama put a man in the Woman’s Bathroom. Say it ain t so Barry! A short time to clean up cities like Chicago would be worth the risk.

  24. Patriot says

    It’s one reason why crime is rampant in Liberal cities. They refuse to do what is needed to protect innocent people who live in fear and worry about the safety of their families. They used the word bigotry instead of safety. I personally don’t mind being search not just because I have nothing to hide but feel comfortable that the police is working to keep everyone safe.

  25. downs1 says

    In this crazy world where life holds little value and babies can be aborted at will, where people use any excuse to create mayhem, where good guys are disarmed, but bad guys seem to have no problem getting weapons, where an expression of fear or distrust on your face may get you killed [and the “perp” goes free], and where leaders are anything but true leaders, where belief in God is being systematically expunged from the culture, where sexual and social immorality is rampant, it is necessary to be “proactive” in protecting yourself and the public if you are a law enforcement officer. Of course that offends those who abet the bad guys!

  26. Susan Short says

    First, I would rather die than be a liberal! They have to be some of the most pathetic people to ever live on the face of the earth! They are horrified by anything and everything that tries to exercise reasonable control over people, like trying to prevent crimes and illegal acts! The liberals love illegal acts, and when they happen, somehow it’s always the fault of the conservatives! I thank God that I’m not a liberal!!

  27. Patriot says

    With “stop and frisk” the benefit out way the risk just like when you take a medication to cure or relieve your illness.

  28. junkmailbin says

    all the libotards and negro trouble makers are screaming about a black man with a concealed weapon getting shot by a black officer not a white officer. well, if the negro had not been carrying a gun and obeyed the order, he would be alive, even if it was a white officer.
    the black neighborhoods are better protected from crime when the police actively seek outv criminals and criminal activity.
    how many blacks and black children have been shot bsince this lop wanted to screw with the police?
    why is there not rioting about the high murder rate of blacks by blacks?

  29. Dkix1ey says

    You have nothing to hide if you’re innocent. If yoube done wrong, you deserve to be frisked.

  30. justanagent says

    Its not a matter of profiling or disparate impact. The simple fact is that the practice violates the highest law of the land, our Constitution. They may be effective but they are illegal and unconstitutional. No court can change the fact that. A frisk is a search without a warrant. For such a search to be legal it must be either incidental to a lawful arrest, or probable cause under exigent circumstances. A lawful investigative detention based on a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been or is being committed may also support a frisk search for officer safety purposes, and the person being detained may be either a suspect or a witness, but a random frisk initiated by an officer outside of those parameters is blatantly unconstitutional and any judge who says otherwise is just simply wrong. The same applies to DUI checkpoints. Where is the probable cause? I have made DUI arrests in circumstance where traffic was being stopped and occupants questioned in a search for specific suspects or while directing drivers to detour around an accident scene or obstruction. In those cases the stop was lawful and incidental to a legitimate purpose. My observations of the way the vehicle was being operated along with the drivers condition and conduct formed the basis for the arrest. I am an old cop who believes with all my heart that law enforcement officers have a duty to apply the law firmly, fairly and that without regard to race, status or any other extraneous factor. I also believe we can do that effectively without violating the supreme law which is our Constitution. While they may be effective, random frisks and DUI checkpoints are not lawful under our Constitution.

  31. John Williams says

    I have to agree with the liberal side on this, (gag) it hurts me to do so, but the fact remains, this starts a slide down a slippery slope, there is a little thing called the constitution involved here and ‘stop and frisk’ is a no no, not just in the context of minorities. Maybe a consideration, of the very fact, that both NY and Chicago have the most draconian gun control laws in the country and we can see how well they are working out, so don’t believe anything some democrat gun grabber tells you about how more gun control will stop crime, it is simply BS. The biggest issue here is the fact that when you look at these cities they have been overwhelmingly controlled by democrats, i.e. Chicago (including the present idiot) since 1897 there have only been 3 Republican Mayors and when you look at other cities with major problems, Boston and Charlotte NC for example, the very same fact is present. It is the agenda and the policies of socialist/progressive/democrats that are the issue, they do not work and the failure is written everywhere, too many people are too stupid to see it.
    “One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions (or their lies,) (emphasis mine) rather than their results.”
    – Milton Friedman

  32. yatesracing says

    i love it KEEPING AMERICANS SAFE

  33. James Maxwell says

    I would say use it where violence seems to be on the rise regardless of the city or state. Leave it open
    to be implemented any time the murder, crime rate increases as a means to try and slow down the
    attacks upon innocents. In areas where drug usage is rising and people are place in harms way
    let the police and city council make the decision without prior announcing the policy change. Let the citizens know that this policy is in effect anytime there is an outbreak or rise in crimes in a city or state.

  34. Lyndau123 says

    Let me put it this way. The SANE approach that worked to make so many people SAFE in NYC. Statistics PROVED that over and over again until the Communist came into power. If you have a VERY Mean dog out there biting people all over the neighborhood you don’t go looking for the neighbors cat! Common Sense, folks! Just Common Sense – something that Libturd Rachel Maddow has ZERO of!

  35. David in MA says

    Anyone who is against this stop and frisk policy in troubled areas like Chicago has to support concealed carry, without any permits required.

    1. Norman says

      I agree. However, the same people who are strongly opposed to law-abiding citizen carrying concealed weapons for defensive purposes are strongly in favor of allowing criminals carry concealed weapons for offensive purposes. Odd isn’t it? Which side of crime are they on?

  36. richard says

    if a cop stops to frisk you,he usually has a reason,and sometimes the reason may not appear as a”law”breaking reason,professional law enforcement officers however are highly trained to look for suspicious things and actions that a non law pro would dismiss as “odd” but certainly not “Criminal” and of course cops are human after all, and do make mistakes and judgement errors,usually people that wind up dead or in jail or a hospital, start behaving in a abusive or other form of way that cop find necessary to use some kind of force.it’s really not complicated,if you are stopped for any reason, stop keep your mouth shut and answer to officers questions,if you are the wrong person that was stopped,the officer will correct the mistake if he can ,at the scene, he may ask you to come to the station for further questioning,and while it may make you mad and and delay where ever you were going you will get there ALIVE…

  37. ONLYJB1 says

    Stop and frisk when implemented was the best thing to ever happen to the city of new york! Crime rates and violence were almost cut in half! Then the progressives let all the money fly! Crime rates and violence almost doubled over night once they put stop and frisk into the trash!

  38. ONLYJB1 says

    Back in the cowboy days the sheriff would force all entering the city to check their firearms. Once implemented the drunken shooting up of town ENDED!

  39. Dan Menard says

    To the liberal Democrats, a “stop and search” policy, when needed, is a form of social bigotry.
    To the rest of the law abiding community, it is just common sense and a viable tool in law enforcement.
    It would be impractical to pat down every person stopped by law enforcement. The attitude and the circumstances for which the person was detained would have a lot to do as to if they are patted down
    by an officer or not. Recovered stolen articles, weapons and drug paraphernalia tell the detaining officer much about the person in their custody without a word being said by the detainee. It all boils down this simple the expression, “Do the crime, plan on paying the time!”

  40. Jerry Lev says

    Tried and true techniques are more effective than being, “politically correct.” “Politically correct,” is not correct. It has been very damaging. It pays more attention to being nice than it does to facts. It does not change the facts and leaves us with ever more complicated problems. It is not just a Black issue… way beyond that. How many cities and states prevent law enforcement and intelligence agencies to no longer watch the events and participants in Mosques here in the states?! Sanctuary cities have tied the hands of their law enforcement agencies. I hope that the family of the young woman killed in California while walking with her dad by an illegal immigrant who had been turned loose sues the shit out of the City and the individual members of their governing departments who are culpable and complicit in a murder that never should have happened.

    1. ward says

      The enemies of the U.S. are using U.S. Constitutional Freedom & Rights to destroy the U.S.A. internally and criminals as well as illegal foreigners that attack U.S. Citizens are the enemy of Freedom that have to be eliminated with war type tactics required to protect National Security !

  41. Michael C. McGregor says

    Stop and Frisk cannot be reimplemented even if the President of the United States ordered it because the Federal Courts ruled it unconstitutional and so it would take a constitutional amendment to reinstate the practice.

  42. ward says

    The only thing Trump has said that doe sound like WW2 nazi hitlers gestapo tactics that has a stench of dictatorship and police state with Constitutional violations …. ! Although the criminal stench that is coming into the U.S. with bo’s E.O.’s deserves to be eliminated with any type enforcement necessary there still has to be consideration for innocent until proven guilty and the riot with looting is reason for arrests or shot … ! Frisking is a safety procedure for police & the defiant asses that ignore U.S. laws have to be taken down to protect the innocent law abiding citizens … ! This frisking will reveal many criminal intent lawless ass holes which NYC & Chicago have in a prison deserving population that is no less than total elimination ! U.S. Laws have to be enforced no matter what it takes to protect U.S. Citizens lives & rid ctriminal stench … !

  43. Hillaryoncrack says

    They did it in NYC and the murder rate dropped dramatically. Liberals hate facts when it goes against their agenda. They suck and only they should be victims of violent crime. Perfect KARMA!

  44. Natalie says

    When are we going to finally, finally stop giving a crap what horrifies liberals and start telling them to shove their self righteous indignation and ‘offence’ at reality where the sun don’t shine, then light it on fire.

  45. Hopinow says

    We have got to KNOW and then FOLLOW the constitution, which does not allow stopping and frisking WITHOUT a warrant, and an affidavit describing the person and the complaint against the person—it is called the FOURTH AMENDMENT—-in case Trump gives a dam.

  46. donl says

    The liberals are upset about stop and frisk because they are the ones that have something to hide.

    1. Retired says

      With the Cell Phone – Computer – Observation Cameras everywhere , Americans have given up their freedom. Every thing tracks you daily because people have to have the latest.

  47. Rick Rogers says

    “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

    ― Benjamin Franklin

    1. Pam says

      Bet old Ben had plenty of guns , was a good marksman and wouldn’t hesitate to use one. That’s a freedom that most liberals are finding really offensive these days. Then again the gang bangers in Chicago are exercising the freedom to defend their territory , their outrage at disrespect (that’s a favorite one of minorities) and whatever else they perceive as their personal interpretation of freedom.

    2. GODBlessRealAmerica#1 says

      If a police officer says put you’re hands up put them up don’t argue, disrespect authority or resist if you do we will deport you’re Liberal https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d9d01fde6718cdf847ed26c8de4160a9a32444019a6e85cff42e786b1064169.jpg ignorant ass!!!

      1. Rick Rogers says

        You idiots can’t make up your mind.. How about if we start getting the cops to stop and Frisk anyone that is open Carrying.. You ok with that??

        1. GODBlessRealAmerica#1 says

          You Liberal pathetic Morons a lie is a truth and a truth is a lie the Liberal logic is distorted! Now lay oiff dat Democrack idiot! lol

          1. Rick Rogers says

            Loved how you ignored the question. Federal Court has ruled stop and Frisk is illegal. The police depts are breaking the law doing it. So you want the cops to start frisking open carry american’s. The Supreme Court Refused the case which mean the Court of appeals Ruling stands. Stop and frisk is illegal. That’s the end of the story. It has nothing to do about respecting police. what it has to do is violation of American’s Rights against unreasonable Search and Seizures. Oh sorry I used so many big words I am sure you completely confused.

          2. GODBlessRealAmerica#1 says

            Love how liberally ignorant you truly are. The Liberal media is a joke they have no credibility like you!!! All you do is lie, pretend, deceive and attack anyonb who disagree’s with you.

            You Rick “Liberal low energy” Rogers is a Fraud! You need help!

          3. Rick Rogers says

            And yet again you ignore the question and lend support to something that has been found by the Courts to be unconstitutional. Don’t know if you every swore an oath in the Military but it goes something like Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States. Stop and Frisk as been ruled unconstitutional and the Supreme Court let the Appeals Court ruling stand. SO your supporting Criminal Acts committed by police officers Way to how your Patriotism dumb ass

          4. GODBlessRealAmerica#1 says

            Wrong again you liberal uneducated moron!

            been found by the Courts to be constitutional. The judge was bias and said it was unconstitutional…. she was disbarred and it was always Constitutional. The only people who say that it is not are Liberal pukes.,,.. of the United States. Stop and Frisk as been ruled constitutional and the Supreme Court will approve it once PRESIDENT TRUMP TAKES OVER…..I got you’re 1 way ticket Liberal moron to France waitg and Ill lol in your liberal pos https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d9d01fde6718cdf847ed26c8de4160a9a32444019a6e85cff42e786b1064169.jpg face when President Trump goes to the whouse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!the

        2. GODBlessRealAmerica#1 says

          You look like a White Liberal anti America low energy cowardly Dork! Did someone b slap you! You ok with that Rick sick liberal low energy Rogers! Is that really you’re picture because you look like a Liberal moron a punk!

    3. GODBlessRealAmerica#1 says
    4. GODBlessRealAmerica#1 says

      No problem with stop and frisk, your not guilty of anything? no problem!

  48. Jerry Lev says

    I agree with you Ward. I would add that, “sanctuary cities,” are in violation of federal law and in many cases their own state laws. The DOJ – not surprisingly from this admin. – has failed to enforce the laws. This includes directing members of the Border Patrol and other Home Land sub-departments to release known violators in opposition to their own sworn duties and the regulations that govern these agencies. I would hope that under a Trump presidency that those involved within the current administration be held accountable and prosecuted for failing to protect us as is their mission.

    1. Retired says

      Sanctuary cities run by Democrats.

      1. Kol says

        You act like your brain “Retired” along with the rest of you. Or is it just senile dementia?

        1. Retired says

          I live in and near a half dozen cities where people like you hide out.

          1. Kol says

            вы на самом деле звучит как противный старый пердеть
            Pyew!
            :-)))

          2. Kol says

            I live in two of the biggest cities in the world on opposite sides of the planet.

          3. Retired says

            Cock roaches are in all major cities, you must feel right at home with them.

          4. Kol says

            Doddering old retired nasty internet trolls are found there too, you feel right at home with them. Idi v zhopu, durak!

  49. Patriot068 says

    No issue with stop n frisk!! Liberals, are screaming because most likely they are the ones who are going to be caught with drugs n crap because they are the ones pushing to legalize the drugs, I’ve got nothing to hide so I wouldn’t have an issue with stop n frisk at all. PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST THIS ,are most likely the ones to get nabbed. As long as it’s not just blacks or Hispanics but includes EVERYONE!: then it should be allowed .especialy in places like Chicago where innocent babies 6 months old in the back seat of her parents vehicle are killed by some ass hole punk named 5cent! Or 50cent, how many bodies need to be piled up before libtards will accept something like stop n frisk ( especialy in high crime areas )

  50. Pam says

    If you have probable cause to stop a person, persons , or vehicle then a frisk or a rudimentary pat down of their person is a matter of safety for the officer and the temporary detainee. A visual inspection of a vehicle is appropriate both outside and interior because you have no expectation of privacy. If their is an ordor of marijuana, chemicals or items used ,needles, crack pipes etc, you have more probable cause for a more in-depth search. If you think it might involve more product than personal use it is better to obtain a search warrant . Then a defense attorney can’t pick apart your case, but it’s not strictly necessary. I am a staunch conservative, I realize on the one hand that DUI security check points, airport security courthouse security , and the list goes on is a total inconvenience and as an innocent law abiding citizen is maddening. However, what’s the alternative? Do I want some measure of safety? The statistics on DUI’s are rock solid. Meth labs are commonly found in vehicles. The likelihood of suicide bombers was established in 2001, and terrorism is steadily on the rise in the United States. We have people pouring into our country , and where most of them are from life is cheap and they hate western civilization. You want law enforcement? Then give the police the tools to do their jobs or live in bunkers you can defend yourselves in and drive a tank when you go outside. Welcome to the wild wild west that is the United States in 2016 with people jammed elbow to elbow and nobody to protect you from the wolves of society.

  51. Barbara Ervin says

    TRUMP/PENCE 2016

  52. GuardianFlame says

    Hey Liberals YOU CREATED THIS MESS IN CHICAGO WHICH IS 100% DEMOCRATS IN THEIR CITY GOVERNMENT! What did you expect when you throw your stupid unresearch ideologies at a people already torn spart and imploding on themselves!? What did ypu expect? Oh y pu hadn’t thpught that far ahead and you wete budy raking in $$ from the city’s unrest.

    My guess all the city’s governing people are on the take from the drug cartels and crime in general. They close their eyes so crime can happen…too bad if an innocent gets caught in the cross fire! It’s not their lives, so who cares?
    Remove all the innocent Blacks and Whites and nuke the rest of the criminal population. No one will miss the garbage anyway.

    CHICAGO IS BEGINNING TO RESEMBLE DETROIT LITTLE BY LITTLE.

  53. sox83cubs84 says

    I’m with Trump. Libtards like DeBlahsio are soft on crime and terror, so naturally they want to maintain the PC line and not be considered offensive. They’re sissies; Trump is a MAN.

  54. Holland180 says

    Hat off again to Trump for having the courage to spit on political cornectness and push for stop and frisk. The only people that have any issue are the black people, and why is that you might ask. Answer is because they are the most likely people to possible find a weapon and illegal drugs. Then just go one tiny bit more and dare to check if the person has wants/warrants, unpaid child support and the list just goes on and on. It is a common fact of life to carry that baggage if you are black and then scream bloody murder because you were caught breaking some law and blame it on white society. Black folk need to clean up their own act and start by a man and woman marrying each other, go to school and pay attention, get a job and stop all the street corner hustle and using respect as an argument. Respect gets earned!

  55. kassa1 says

    So what’s wrong with that at least they got frisky instead of just for rollcall and man with his hands are near shot dead ,like Obama’s SS FBI and BATF that ambushed those militia people going to meet a sheriff in Oregon 150 bottles in the car and one man with his hands in the air shot nine times but you didn’t hear anything from the media on that and I’ll get you but that’s OK because those agencies were created to protect the Elietest from the people rising up against their tyranny.

  56. AKLady2015 says

    Stop and Frisk violates the Constitutional right to privacy.

    Amendment IV
    (Privacy of the Person and Possessions)
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

  57. AKLady2015 says

    Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin

  58. Ironmike4610 says

    The ONLY way to stop unnecessary killing in these inner cities IS to stop and frisk. It’s a no brainer.

  59. Alleged Comment says

    WHY do Demoncraps and lieberals FEAR it???

    Because it WORKS!!! Demoncraps and lieberals like things that don’t work. Like throwing monkey wrenches into the fine gearing.

    Take for example the negro sodomite in control.

  60. Ellen says

    Stop and frisk lowered the crime rate in New York. It would lower them in other states/cities too if instituted openly and fairly. Anything to stop violence before it starts is good.

  61. yellowjacket2 says

    Anything that horrifies a liberal can’t be bad for the country!

  62. Denise Mcintosh says

    if your not hiding anything then you would have no worries. Liberals also wasnt us to let the terrorists into our country so they can have tea with them!!!!!

  63. Ryan Gurganus says

    I know we can’t elect Hillary. But we fear Trump may create a police state out of rashness. MR Trump if you or anyone with common logic are surfing this thread with lobbying powers…. We can’t have a war on drugs until there is a war on poverty in America. Crimes are committed out of desperation and some person with three rocks in his pocket and idc how it’s bagged up was only needing money for today or was supporting a habit. Our government can’t cant dictate some plant God created free along with man in God’s image and man creates government. How can a victimless crime be punished so harshly? The creator should not be subjected to his or her creation. Bring back the jobs and then let’s talk policing broken homes and families.

  64. Ryan Gurganus says

    My comment was disabled. Now I am justified. We all agree we cannot elect Hillary. However Mr Trump we do not want a police state in America due to rashness. I give you credit for your success in business and economics but that is all the more reason why you must understand that there will never be a successful War on Drugs/Crime in America until there is a war on poverty. Crimes are committed out of desperation 90 % in poor communities no matter the color barrier. We can walk over a street paved in drugs to no effect unless we get down on our knees to do them. How can a plant that God created freely along with man in His own image be subject to a government we create and control. The creator shall never be subject to his or her creation. Some kid with three rocks or gramof weed in their possesion ( no matter how it’s bagged or concealed) in order to provide or need of habit should be not be instantly profiled and punished so harshly for a victimless behavior. How is it you’re the cart in front of the horse when you see the level of corruption in America. Mr Trump if you deliver on your bargain to brings jobs and opportunity back to your fellow citizens only then can you be honest in your intentions of policing broken homes and families. Thx u for your time God bless

  65. MrClean961 says

    It’s not just Liberals! Not only is this a Second Amendment issue, it’s a blatant Fourth Amendment violation as well. That this man is being championed by not only many Conservatives but the NRA as well is astounding.

  66. kassa1 says

    I’ll say it just like the little cards would say, if Obama would have done this and the right would’ve cried out, the lip charge would’ve said if there aren’t doing anything wrong then what are they got to worry about. This is their mentality everything our way , Which needs to cease now!

  67. imjmz says

    Unless the constitution is amended in so many parts, it is illegal search, no matter what neighbor hood you live in. You never “punish” everyone because of the bad people. I do know the numbers are lop-sided with regards to who is actually committing crimes in these neighborhoods, but it is still wrong when you search innocent people just because they are black or Hispanic, and neither of these races demonstrates reasonable suspicion. I wish I had the answer, but breaking the law to uphold the law is not it.

  68. RsGoat says

    Who gains the most with this program if it is used or not used? Used the community possibly if it brings down the murdered rate in a place like Chicago. The gangs if it is not used since they will still be armed as they travel the streets and have less chance of having weapons removed from them. Knowing they can’t disarm gangs but realizing they have guns the police are more on edge increasing the opportunity for the shootings we are witnessing.
    Less law and order more crime, but then we are not even trying to teach our children to respect anyone these days are we? Most of the Disney shows teach our children how dumb adults are and useless adults are in this world so why should we expect anything less.

  69. Miss Mellie says

    So blacks and HIspanics are more likely to be stopped? Check the stats: Blacks & Hispanics are more likely to commit crimes.

  70. Ryan Gurganus says

    The problem with stop and frisk is that it violates our fourth amendment. If we are going to enact such strict measures in poor communities then the forced search should be limited to concealed handguns. A guy with 3 rocks in his pocket or a few grams of weed (no matter how it’s bagged up) and hundred dollars in wallet is trying to provide for today or support a habit. Why must we punish victimless behavior so harshly when the level of corruption is so great within our privatized prison system? MR TRUMP if you will keep your end of the bargain and bring back the jobs and opportunities to your fellow citizens only then can you honestly begin policing broken homes and families. The war on poverty is the only answer for the war on drugs/Crime no matter the color barrier

  71. Tiger says

    I am horrified at O’s every move over the last 8 years and so is the world and a little frisking and tough love on O would sure be good.

  72. Conservative says

    It’s obvious liberal are not horrified by the number of blacks shot and often killed by guns in Chicago. It has simply become an accepted weekend occurrence that is accepted by the people, local politicians, National politicians, the Congressional Black Caucus with nary a word said condemning this or doing anything about it
    They love to talk about ‘gun-control’ to control the law abiding people but in Chicago, where they do have gun control, they don’t want anything done to ‘stop and frisk’ or do anything else to rein in young blacks, in gangs, dealing drugs, etc., killing each other or little children in retaliation for a drug deal gone bad.
    They have opted to use the police as scapegoats and villains so the attention will be diverted away from their ‘liberal controlled’ plantations.

    1. dondehoff says

      Conservative, there is a much bigger problem. The Blacks compose about 13% of our population, but commit almost half of the nation’s violent crime—and within the black community itself, about 95% of the violent crime, is “black up black”. Those figures distort the overall crime equation in the U.S. I believe part of the black crime problem is the fact the Black community has (percentage wise), far more single parent families, usually females. And, those female parents are usually working at one or more jobs, trying “to make ends meet”—and this has been ongoing for several generations. We now have adult male criminal blacks setting the tone for the younger generations. The Black community must address these issues and when they find a solution, they must accept it is going to take several generations to get their people back on course. There are thousands of successful black people, of both sexes—-they need to devoting both time and money getting their kids back in school and under control.

  73. BigTank says

    Wow, nothing wrong with the government just stopping us on the street to frisk us?!?!? What the hell has happened to my party? Anyone ever heard of the constitution? My god, this is why I am voting for Johnson. Republicans have proven they have no spine, they have turned their back on all the issues that they used to say that mattered. I even heard that Ivanka Trump had an abortion, and no one seems to care?!?!?

    1. yellowjacket2 says

      Wow, nothing wrong here. You’re upset because the rest of us have had enough and we’re willing to try stop and frisk. Did you know that stop and frisk is what Mayor Juliana used to cut crime by 40%. So you’re going to show your dissatisfaction by voting for a third party candidate. Good thinking. There’s nothing like helping Hillary Clinton take over the country to show your dissatisfaction.

      1. BigTank says

        Sorry, I didn’t risk my life fighting for this country so an authoritarian candidate could just spit on the constitution. It’s shameful. Republicans are the New Democrats.

  74. Robert Cruder says

    One chooses to be searched when one enters an airport, a public school or certain public buildings such as courts. One does not choose to be searched when one walks or drives down a street unless one chooses to be black. It would be fair to stop everyone as one does at a sobriety checkpoint but white public (such as myself) won’t tolerate that. The Fourteenth Amendment does not allow reducing the rights of a group of Americans based on race.

    As usual, Mr. Trump can propose a simple fix that fits on a bumper sticker but won’t actually work and won’t be legal. The rubes will follow without thinking it through. The courts will obey the Fourteenth Amendment as much as they do the Second and the party, rather than think harder will just blame “activist judges”.

  75. Laddyboy says

    Let the “liberals” be in an uproar over a tactic that works to lower the illegal carrying of weapons.

    1. dondehoff says

      The problem is, if we permit ignoring the 4th Amendment, it opens Pandora’s Box for everyone to ignore other Articles of the Greatest legal document ever published. There can always be “other” effective means of curtailing illegal guns, or legal guns being used illegally.

  76. RsGoat says

    Stop and Frisk was declared constitutionally acceptable by Chief Justice Warren’s Court in 1968, he was the same Chief Justice that gave us public defenders and Miranda Rights. The facts are a lower court can’t change the opinion of a higher court the you can read : Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968)
    Judge Scheindlin was ruling on the application of stop and frisk, the possible racism, and other factors and was pulled from the case. I have not found a good source which satisfies my senses of accuracy to explain that move but it leaves stop and frisk still constitutional provided the police officer has a reasonable suspicion of foul play. This could be nervous activity or an unusual bulge like a shot gun in the trousers.
    Thanks to the follow up of the debate I finally figured this out. Like a 4 star Sudoku puzzle for a nonlawyer.

  77. Carl Carlson says

    The liberal left and media got their way. They want lawlessness and disorder to run rampant. The very important point to remember is, Stop and Fisk worked.

  78. Walter Flatt says

    GOOGLE THE NEW CLINTON CHRONICLES 2015. HOW CAN ANY CHRISTIAN, VET, GI, COP OR REAL AMERICAN VOTE FOR THIS.

  79. ramrodd says

    4TH AMENDMENT

    Anyone that supports “stop and frisk” laws is NOT a supporter, but rather an ENEMY, of the Constitution. Stop and frisk, without a warrant or probable cause FIRST, IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I said that even BEFORE the higher courts affirmed it.

    It may seem reasonable and it may even be effective but it IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

    And he did so while enforcing UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws in direct and blatant violation
    of his Oath of Office.

    “… against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.” [emphasis mine].

    I really don’t care if a USURPER claims to be a D or an R or anything else. I don’t listen to their words. I watch their ACTIONS to determine if they’re a domestic enemy of the Consitution.

  80. dondehoff says

    “stad….”, hmm, stop and frisk—no problem? Somewhere in my 84 years, I think I recall reading; “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized”. For those who doubt this, I suggest they read Amendment IV of our Constitution. Also, a “blanket” Search Warrant, surely has to be to unconstitutional, due to the required “describing and search” provisions. Also, an “effect” can be most anything.

  81. Larry Cowden says

    De ASSIO is a moron and always has been! Anyone watching that buffoon and listening to his delusional liberal ramblings over the last few years has to wonder how such an idiot could possibly ever get elected.
    He’s right in there with Boob Brown for top honors as moron of the year! When De ASSIO stopped the “stop and frisk”, violent crime went up by blacks and other minorities because they could now carry illegally without being caught!

  82. R. T. says

    TSA does it what is wrong on the street !!

  83. AntiGOP says

    God …. you people are idiots…

    Your so constitutional when it serves your wants and needs…

    S&F is unconstitutional…period.

    Frisk at an airport is constitutional.

    1. J.B.Jacobs says

      What makes it constitutional at an airport and unconstitutional everywhere else? I didn’t think the constitution picked where something was constitutional one place and not another. Of course I may be one of those idiots you are talking about.

      1. AntiGOP says

        So your saying you DIDN’T READ the constitution…GREAT AGAIN..!!

        “Of course I may be one of those idiots you are talking about.”

        Yes your correct…but to answer your question…

        S&F has nothing to do with the place…got it yet..!!

        1. J.B.Jacobs says

          You got the last part right anyway.

        2. dondehoff says

          “Anti…….”, just read the Forth Amendment. We have the problem of when the S&F was implemented in NY, they did recover hundreds of illegal guns—-so others tried it. I still say, “stick with the Fourth Amendment”—-we will not collect as many illegal guns, but in the long run, that Amendment makes sense,

      2. AntiGOP says

        So your saying you DIDN’T read the Constitution…Make America Great Again…got it..!!

        “”Of course I may be one of those idiots you are talking about.””

        Well yes…but to answer your other question…

        S&F has nothing to do with PLACE…it has to do with STOP.

        At an airport you are frisked to be able to gain access to aircraft which is constitutional.

        Stopping someone without “reasonable cause” is unconstitutional.

        i.e. Stopping you because you look like an idiot… is UN-constitutional.

        i.e. Stopping you because you look like an idiot with a shot gun in the rear window of your pick up… is UN-constitutional.

        i.e. Stopping you because you look like an idiot waving your 38 out the window of your pick up… is

        **** Constitutional. ****

        I know following the constitution is hard for you all…

        1. J.B.Jacobs says

          I get it now. The constitution can be whatever you want it to be. And let me give you a piece of free advice, your last comment about waving your 38 out the window will get you butt shot off , and you can argue whether your constitution was violated with the devil.

          1. AntiGOP says

            Well there you go…you substantiated your an idiot IDIOT…

          2. J.B.Jacobs says

            You like calling people names, don’t you? That’s usually the way you can tell how smart people are. Good luck, you’re gonna need it.

          3. dondehoff says

            “Anti…..,” keep it civil. We are talking about serious issues and you resort to profanity, obnoxious nicknames and gutter talk. To many, such gutter talk is “fighting words”. And, your pen name of “AntiGOP” reflects you don’t have an open mind. I am a Republican and Constitutionalist, yet I have many friends of other political persuasions. It is but a handful of any group that are problems. I am also of a different political persuasion than my father was (may he “RIP”.

          4. dondehoff says

            Yes, stopping a person waving a gun outside a car window, is constitutional and makes sense—-as the person surely might have ulterior motives in mind. A gun that is picked up, is for just a couple of reasons: To make sure it is safe for dozen s of reasons, or to fire it. A “waived gun”, out of a car window, on any road) or in a residential area, will surely get you “pulled over”.

          5. J.B.Jacobs says

            Here is what the fourth amendment to the Constitution says about stop and frisk:

            A brief, non-intrusive, police stop of a suspect. The Fourth Amendment requires that the police have a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed before stopping a suspect. If the police reasonably suspect the person is armed and dangerous, they may conduct a frisk, a quick pat-down of the person’s outer clothing. See Terry v Ohio, 392 US 1, (1967).

            If they see you waving a gun out the window, I would think would be justification for a stop and frisk.

      3. dondehoff says

        JB, commercial transportation is owned by business people or a government. The owners can be sued by surviving family members for being lax in their searches. As such, they are entitled to establish the rules for using their equipment. With the large number of such bombings and attempts, that right is fully justified and should be applied not only to the passengers but also to the flight crews and those having access to the aircraft. Would you fly on a fully loaded passenger airplane going to Europe?—or even Las Vegas, wherein the passengers and crews were not searched?

        1. J.B.Jacobs says

          No way!!

          1. dondehoff says

            No way?—-hardly a coherent response. I know not of what you are trying to say.

          2. J.B.Jacobs says

            I’m sorry. You asked if I would fly on a fully loaded plane wherein the passengers and crew were not searched? There is no way I would do that. That’s what I meant.

      4. dondehoff says

        JB, you are not an idiot—you just don’t have the much larger picture. For instance, no “peeing” in public, but it is OK at the public rest rooms.

        1. J.B.Jacobs says

          You are probably right, I don’t have the much larger picture. I really don’t see the difference in searching a passengers belongings for guns or bombs before they board an airplane and searching a car or truck for guns or bombs if there is reason to believe they may have them in the vehicle. The New York Mayor used the stop and frisk in New York City and murders in NYC went down from 2200 a year to 500. There are a lot of people in NYC alive today that would be dead if he hadn’t. Stop and frisk may be annoying but it is only a temporary thing while murder is permanent. The police cannot protect the people if you tie their hands so they cannot do the job we are paying them to do because it is annoying to some people.

  84. TheDefenderofLife says

    search ebay for
    “conversion cylinder for cap and ball naa”
    get protection-we did
    bad people everywhere /

  85. dondehoff says

    This is a little “off subject”, but extremely important. As for voting, if at all possible, vote on election day. If not possible, try and vote the day or two before. for those early voters, there is a distinct possibility that several negative “skeletons” will fall out of the candidates” closets, and those who have already voted are stuck with their earlier decision. Also, voting on or near election day reduces the possibility that the late votes will be illegally stopped or changed. Disqus, you should be placing that on the internet, using your own words and experiences. Also, everyone should be advocating “photo-ID. To permit no-ID voting makes any election a meaningless sham. For example, church members voting to fire or retain a minister for stealing their sacred wine, would not want the “good ol’ boys” from a local tavern, voting on the issue. True, with the large number of voters, there will be an occasional voter not allowed to vote, but most all of the elderly and the poor already have government photo-ID to obtain the essential social services to which they are entitled. Anyone needing voting assistance should call their local political party Hq and they will provide both information and transportation to and from the polls.—I believe all major political parties have volunteer “get out the vote” teams, and they provide good service.

  86. dondehoff says

    People, I see many conflicting opinions concerning our Constitution. Hillsdale College in Michigan has a free internet course on our Constitution—That college is one of the few (if not the only one) that does not use federal or state tuition grants, or accepts students that have such grants—-they “buy out” the students’ federal and state grants and provide replacements from non-obligatory free-enterprise sources.—-A very good program and an excellent college.

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