Liberals Want Us to Stop Using the Word “Taxpayer”

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On the surface, it would seem like liberals would embrace the term “taxpayer” more readily than conservatives. After all, they’re the ones who are always pushing for higher taxes. They’re the ones who think there should barely be a limitation on how much money the government can take out of our paychecks. They’re the ones that think it’s perfectly fine to go to work every day so that someone else doesn’t have to. Conservatives, more often than not, are looking for ways to minimize their tax burden.

According to The New Republic’s Elizabeth Stoker Bruenig, though, the term “taxpayer” is a loaded one that should be removed from our political rhetoric. She came to this conclusion while perusing the House Republican budget for fiscal year 2016, noting that she found 24 instances of the term in the 43-page budget. This usage, Bruenig, argues, is “clearly furthering a particular ideology.”

“There are too many scenarios these days in which Washington forgets that its power is derived from the ‘consent of the governed'” the plan reads in one instance of the term’s use. “It forgets that its financial resources come from hard-working American taxpayers who wake up every day, go to work, actively grow our economy, and create real opportunity.” In other words, Americans’ taxes are parallel with taxpayers’ consent, suggesting that expenditures that do not correspond to an individual’s will are some kind of affront.

Well…

While Bruenig is surely correct that we do not – and should not – have an absolute say over how our individual taxes are used down to the penny, I’m not sure that is said or even implied by the budget’s language. No one believes that. But it is worth remembering every once in a while that it isn’t welfare-recipients and layabouts who make the economy go around. And since we’re talking about money and taxes, it doesn’t seem too controversial to make a delineation between those who are contributing and those who are receiving.

Bruenig may have forgotten this – I’m not sure they teach it anymore in school – but this country’s independence was founded over the issue of taxes. If the colonialists had been kicking back, soaking up the public funds, we would probably still be under British rule today. And if everyone in America today decided to stop working and instead depend on the federal government to support them, there wouldn’t be an America tomorrow.

Bruenig makes the bleeding-heart argument that our share in this democracy comes not from our taxpayer contribution but from our personhood. And that is certainly true; you don’t have to bring your tax return with you to the voting booth. And it is true that there are other ways to contribute to your country than to pay taxes.

But when we’re talking about taxes and federal expenditures, I don’t think there’s any harm in drawing a distinction between the givers and the takers. Between those building an economy and those sucking off the federal teat. Liberals want us to believe that the bum is as good as the entrepreneur. That the welfare queen is as valuable to America as the businessman. That may be true in the eyes of God, but it isn’t true in the eyes of the economy.

Let’s keep using the word taxpayer. If it makes some people uncomfortable, maybe that’s a problem they need to solve for themselves.

351 Comments
  1. MAHB001 says

    If the 0bama gets his way the most appropriate words to describe tax payers will be slaves, or maybe subjects.

    1. crazyfreddie says

      AGREE SLAVE PAYER > ITS MORE APPROPRIATE

      1. Deborah G says

        How about he doesn’t call us Taxpayer and we don’t pay those taxes?

        1. crazyfreddie says

          i’ll go for that

        2. Mark Clemens says

          A-Men! I say we strike the word out of our vocabulary, and eliminate the unlawful practice of extorting money from We the People. I think the Government should raise money, like the Founders did. Tariff foreign products. That would eliminate the IRS, Customs would collect the monies. With all the junk China imports here, we could use the duty money to pay the debt off. In a reasonable time frame.
          I personally never borrowed any money from China, did you? Anybody?
          We the People should take the lead from the 47 Republican Senators. We the People should send a letter to China, and all of our creditors. Explaining how the Treasury really belongs to us, not the politicians. Any more monies loaned after July 4, 2015 is between the individual members of the Executive and Legislation Branches of the US Government and the respective loaner. The US Treasury no longer PAYS OUT, except Service pay, and VA Benefits………….

          1. Deborah G says

            Couldn’t agree with anything I have heard more. great Post. BACK to the constitution

          2. real talk 1 says

            Back to where is that some kind of joke??

          3. Deborah G says

            no only liberals are the Jokes of the world

          4. real talk 1 says

            liberals could care less about the constitution or any other legal document.They are knuckle heads and they don’t listen to reason and you can’t talk them into it they’er brain dead !!

          5. Nastasyana says

            Right! let’s go back to 1776 when slavery existed, only landowners could vote. Women could not own land. Enslaved people worked for the wealthy…..

          6. Deborah G says

            Spare us the ridiculous histrionics. Actually the republicans got rid of all that nonsense

          7. Nastasyana says

            But you said you wanted to go back. Regressive conservatism.

          8. Deborah G says

            How old are you? You have zero education in the civics dept.The left has tried over and over to trash the great document. Obama being the worst offender since Wilson. Ii don’t have time to educate you. Take the Constitution and rwead it. here’s a clue the Bill of rights is a different document

          9. Jarhead says

            WOW….that Nasty jana is a real feminine-NAZI PC Liberal-retard paid TROLL.

          10. Deborah G says

            I think she is a Tranny probably but definitly a PAid Troll. She’s/He/ Shim is on ignore. Never responding to anyone who hates America

          11. Nastasyana says

            So we no longer pay to maintain roads and bridges and communication towers?
            Great! We can go back to our caves.

          12. Mark Clemens says

            Use TARIFF money. From 1790-1804 we collected $15,000,000 from Nickles, Dimes, and Quarters. Also they paid for Erie Cannel…………..

        3. Nastasyana says

          You don’t have to pay taxes. However, there are consequences.

      2. Americans Wake Up says

        I vote for “liberal enslavement program supporters”.

        1. Deborah G says

          I vote for GONE in 2016

          1. Nastasyana says

            he will be and perhaps a GOP genius will emerge who will make the world save for republicans, gunslingers, religious fanatics, misogynists and global warming.

          2. Jarhead says

            Promises Promises one can only hope & Pray.

    2. elmcqueen3 says

      Remembering Obama believe’s “You didn’t build that”…Only the government can build “that”…As you have stated the government can only justify it’s existance by owning and utilizing slaves and subjects with which to meet it’s needs.

      1. MAHB001 says

        “You didn’t build that” was the most UN-American thing that I have heard a President say.
        When 0 uttered that phrase, I knew he was not a true American.

        And then 0bama out did himself. He NEGOTIATED with Terrorists for a traitor.

        1. Ron says

          Speaking of which, when ARE the Army and this administration going to release the results of the Bergdahl investigation anyway??? Reportedly, the results were in months ago. Will we have to wait until after 20 January 2017 to finally know the disposition of this case, or will it be deep-sixed by this cabal forever? The opaqueness of Obama’s “most transparent administration in history” is breathtaking.

          1. patriotdaddy says

            though most of us have the same ideas on what is happening…thje truth of the matter (if you read the leaked bilderberg document from t heir meeting) is to incite a revolution so to start a war around the world that will kill about 6.5 BILLION people….since we know this will only happen with nuclear weapons, we should prepare for that specifically……i mean….they are purposefully inciting a revolution so that they can kill us off and pretend to the rest of the world that they had good cause….why do you think they are allowing any1 in here that can make it???? the more populated this country is when time for firing nukes…….the more of the population is gone in 1 swoop!!!

          2. Nastasyana says

            You are really paranoid. Please get some help.

          3. MAHB001 says

            You bring up good points which are examples of caustic 0bama is to America.

          4. Nastasyana says

            How many times do they have to release results? Didn’t you get it the second time?

          5. BlackBeaver says

            Today. Mr. Bergdahl is being charged with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy.

        2. Nastasyana says

          Did Reagan negotiate with Iranian terrorists for the hostages. We do not know that this man is a traitor and if he is we Americans only have the right to condemn him.

          1. Mark Clemens says

            I don’t think so. I remember Reagan was swore in around lunch, the Iranians released our people before my shift was over at 4pm.
            If Reagan did negotiate w/the Ayatollahs, he done a quickest one ever.
            I personally think the Ayatollahs watched a lot of Westerns, and got scared. By confusing Ronald Reagan with John Wayne…………..

          2. Jarhead says

            Thinkers do know he is a traitor…….libs all have brain disorders/tunnel vision and/or are menopausal like you…..

          3. MAHB001 says

            I don’t care ! Does pointing at 30 year old bad behavior justify 0bama’s inept behaviour?

            NO, a resounding NO!

        3. hankthetank says

          ( WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG ) You should have known before he was elected!! he told everyone, what he was going to do!!! THEY DID NOT LISTEN !!!

          1. MAHB001 says

            I gave him the benefit of doubt. I had to because that is the way I was raised.
            Benefit of doubt until a proven liar. After that….
            I have noticed liberal slime are taking advantage of Conservatives tendancy to give them the benefit of doubt. 0bama used it on Fast and Furious, his Birth Cirt. School Records and more.
            We can no longer give ANY liberal the benefit of doubt. They have changed the rules of engagement.

      2. Nastasyana says

        When he said, “You didn’t build that..” He meant that it was the collective brainpower and sweat of the many that have enabled all if us to attain what we have. The roads and bridges upon which we transfer goods, the railroads that we ride, the buildings in which we work- these are the results of the cooperation of the many, different trades, unions, architects, engineers, artists- all of these Americans working cooperatively have developed us into the nation that we are.

        1. elmcqueen3 says

          That’s not what he said and that’s not what he meant…He was only sprewing Marxist “doublespeak” gibberish…However I appreciate your interpretation of what he should have said.

        2. hankthetank says

          YOU, sound just like a Communist democrat!!!

    3. Nastasyana says

      Why do you think this? What evidence do you have? Upon what facts are you basing your assumption?

      1. MAHB001 says

        Just a hunch. I am 100% accurate on 0bama’s lies about Benghazi and 0bamacare.
        0bama is an Alinsky Radical. What do you expect from an Alinsky Radical? He is not that hard to figure out when you look at it from a Hate Capitalism angle.

    4. hangem'high says

      Backed by our supreme Justices.

  2. Yadja says

    Of course they want to change it because it doesn’t sound good when talking to their base.

    Suppose they will go for something along the lines of Patriotic Dues to the government for the Betterment of the lives of the citizens throughout the country.

    1. AWB2 says

      Now that has a nice liberal ring to it! Something like Homeland Security for Obama’s National Civilian Army that he wanted even before his first election.

      1. Nastasyana says

        Isn’t a civilian army like a militia which the constitution tells us is necessary and allowed to bear arms?

        1. AWB2 says

          Not in this case. Obama wants, as stated in a speech (I think prior to his 1st election), a standing civilian army within the US, as well staffed and equipped as the regular army. Now we are seeing the arming of federal agencies that has no justification for weapons. This is outside (above and beyond ) the already established National Guard units. This new “army” is under the direct control of the POUS via the Department of Homeland Security. How, why would the president want his own personal army?

          1. Francisco Machado says

            Just possibly because the armed forces are made up of ordinary citizens loyal to the country – and because in revolutions, the military has often turned against a totalitarian dictatorial government?

    2. Nastasyana says

      I like that.

      1. Yadja says

        LOLOL good

  3. Bob says

    We the people no longer have a say in what the Gov’t does or takes. They should rename it . “Tax Slaves”
    Vet

    1. Maggiemae says

      AMEN! We ARE slaves to the government’s tax system. We are forced to pay money out of our pockets yet we have NO option on how it’s spent. When someone writes a book on the waste this government spends on sheer stupidity….you know we have a problem. Then you have those those choose not to work, collect money for repeated babies out of wedlock….while the fat cats in DC are laughing their ass*s off all the way to the bank 🙁 When they talk about entitlements and include SS I really get p*ssed. I worked for 46 years, paid taxes on every friggen penny – and my employer also paid taxes and they want to call it an ‘entitlement’. Hell NO!!!!! Had the Democrats, under President Johnson, not STOLEN our SS money from that specific fund and put it in the General fund we would have been getting more than double of what each of us retired people get now. Any thing that the government gets involved in goes to ‘crap’!!!!!

      1. Mark Clemens says

        ……..If you would like to slow down the Welfare population. Make abortion clinics more available. Heck, set ’em up by the Projects. By supporting abortion restrictions, all we are doing is adding bodies to the Welfare State.

        1. Maggiemae says

          Funny you should mention that point. Right after I logged off I thought….YIKES. We really need to keep abortion clinics in the ‘project’s or we would have even more on the welfare dole. One grand mother, on a video, professed proudly her daughter had 5 kids…all on welfare, no father’s around and she was also getting paid to ‘baby sit them’. She was just beaming at the amount of money she was raking in on a monthly basis…of course, food stamps and WIC were included.

          1. Mark Clemens says

            I read it cost the taxpayers $120,000 to raise someone on welfare, from birth to 18. Then 90% of the girls get knocked up by time Sweet 16 comes around. Then the cycle starts over. I bet that grandma fills her shopping cart up, while I have to buy meat out of the discount section.
            You know as partisan political parties are. I bet if someone in Republican Leadership would be for abortion. Stating we could no longer support the welfare state. The Democrats (who are all for it now) would probably cry Republicans want to kill children to save money………..
            Let us never forget, Michael Brown was government raised. Look how outstanding of a citizen he turned out to be. LoL Nobody on this side of the Mississippi ever heard of him, until he got killed. Now he (MB) could of been Obama’s Son, or Son-in-Law…….

          2. Nastasyana says

            “I bet that grandma fills her shopping cart up, while I have to buy meat out of the discount section.”

            I would tend to doubt that. Do you know how much money they get per month? Remember when congressmen offered to live on food stamps and didn’t last a week?

          3. SNuss says
          4. Nastasyana says

            Oh! So you’ve used it?

          5. SNuss says

            No, I am forced to help pay for it.

          6. Jarhead says

            Very, Very well as per observations. Nasty yana is a paid liberal Knoll apparently.

          7. hankthetank says

            That is why they won’t work!! they make more at home & get medical care! so why work?? they should be made to work at something for their pay !!!

          8. Maggiemae says

            Yep…..sure does!

          9. Mark Clemens says

            Well here in Nashville most of the poor seam to fill their grocery carts full, top of the month. I shop in the middle, so idont piss any welfare people off. It has happened a few times. Having a child is NOT a 18 year medical condition, just 9 months………

          10. Doug Smith says

            9 months vs 18 years is a Great point ! But 9 months is NOT medical problem.. It is a natural function that seemed to work well w/o Dr’s for thousands of yeas!!

          11. teachersaide says

            Actually, NOT for individuals. For the species, yes. Back in Colonial times in the USA, the #1 cause of death for women was KITCHEN Fires. #2 cause of death was child birth. LOOK up puerperal fever, breech births, uterine hemorrhage, toxemia of pregnancy, etc.

          12. Mark Clemens says

            Pregnancy is a condition, not a problem. There are some tasks, a pregnant woman really can’t do.

          13. teachersaide says

            TRY again! When I worked in an inner city “public” hospital, I frequently visited the local grocery/major chain nearby, on my way home. Those with Food stamps were buying candy bars/gums/junk food, to break the Food stamp dollar bills, so they could get the change (they’d go to different cashiers, down the line!), until they had enough money to buy cigarettes &/or beer. Not a big meat eater, but it did “tick me off”, when they would talk in line, about the ground beef they were buying for their dogs, since Food stamps did NOT cover PET FOOD! AND, there were plenty of steaks, ribs, roasts, etc in those carts! BTW, the whole time I was working there, I was told daily “What a FOOL I was be working for a living”!

          14. hangem'high says

            Sadly welfare has its place, as an American with so much welfare fraud we still have lots of children going hungry!

          15. teachersaide says

            Want to know WHY? NOT all parents “care” what their kids eat, or when, as long as they don’t bother them. WHEN I worked in an inner city, “public” hospital, kids were best fed during school. In summer, “mom” would give the kid a Dollar in the morning, and tell them they didn’t want to see them for the rest of the day. Then, there were the “moms” who gave X number of dollars to “dad” every month (who did not live there), ’cause if it wasn’t for “dad”, they wouldn’t be getting that Welfare check, and ALL the other welfare “benes’. I’ll never forget the patient my roommate took care of while in Nursing school in FL. “Lady” was delivering her 6’th out of wedlock child. When she found out that, “Yes, her ADC was going to increase” for baby #6, but her STATE welfare cut off after 5 children, she was extremely IRATE!

          16. Adam Brier says

            I stopped caring after stuff like the KO game, the walmart where people tried to fill their carts when they thought the EBT database was down, or all the low info parasites that think its stupid to work or how proud they are that they get subsides. I say cut them off, we cant afford it anymore.

          17. hangem'high says

            We need to stop corporate welfare and fraud also,, not to mention all the welfare going overseas!

          18. Alice-Annette Schultz says

            Congressmen couldn’t live on a normal salary for a week! However I have seen tons of welfare fraud, and those in the welfare offices truly give preferences. I have seen it far too often!

          19. Adam Brier says

            If they dont like it, they can get jobs like everybody else thats hungry. Sick of leeches that make excuses.

          20. cal3301 says

            The Democrats are already killing children with their Planned Parenthood.

          21. Mark Clemens says

            Then why are you slowing them down?
            Why do I have pay for some people’s bastard children? Before long y’all are going to run out of Republican voters, because irresponsible people will out number responsible people, due to rapid ghetto growth. How many more Michael Brown’s do we need?

          22. cal3301 says

            I’m an Independent. You stated that the Democrats would use the killing of children as an excuse against the Republicans as far as welfare go. I stated that the Democrats already are. FYI, most of those clinics are in the projects where the welfare recipients are. Figure it out!

          23. hangem'high says

            Every child deserves a chance, welfare can be a useful tool we can improve it! Americans are generous people when they have money. This is why our government is after it! They seen how money a deserter generates when Americans contribute; the government wants to control that through taxation.
            They’ll always be immigrants imported to replace the aborted, Period!

          24. Jarhead says

            When your the victim of a scam/robbery/rip-off aren’t you called THE MARK?
            Defund IRS, reduce massive FED/GOV corruption. Reduce the marks. Save the World.

          25. hangem'high says

            He will have streets named after him after all is said and done!

          26. Alice-Annette Schultz says

            As far back as 1972, I can remember seeing Cadillacs pull up in front of the food stamp office, black women get out and go in to collect their food stamp ration for the month, and these women were decked out in furs and jewels like Hollywood primadonnas. It’s utterly disgusting, and basically I would say noting has changed.

          27. Mark Clemens says

            I’d say the jewelry and fur stuff was fake. We all know the Cadillac was real. I think there should be a 12 year limit on Public Housing and 15 year limit for food per life time. Except if you end up handicaped.
            One time I had a car wreck. Even though it wasn’t my fault, my landlord wouldn’t spot me until lawsuit was settled. I (wife & 2 kids) ended up in the Projects. My foot and leg were broke, back messed up too. Well after about a year I had it. My wife bitched all day, kids need to be caged. I healed, got a job.
            Somehow the Project Manager found out I had a job. She was at my unit, on Friday wanting me to pay $750 in rent, in the damn ghetto!!!! It’s like the mob, once you’re in they don’t want you to go.

          28. Maggiemae says

            Those with young children also get WIC products free. The money alloted to them monthly also goes up with the number of children. So, the kids get the least while the adults feed their faces. The older ‘grandma’ on the video had 6 little ones running around bragging about all the money she gets.

          29. Maggiemae says

            And so the cycle continues……on and on and on 🙁

          30. wayne says

            Mark Clemens You are exactly right when you mentioned MB is a welfare child. I notice when i go to the grocery store people using food stamps are all obese and probably need less food stamps to make them more healthy. Maybe Obama should cut food stamp issue in half and have more healthy people where they could go to WORK.

          31. Nastasyana says

            Studies have shown that people on welfare tend to go for the cheap stuff. which is also fattening. Fast food burgers, processed meats and breads, soda and juices. Lean meats, vegetables and fruits are expensive. A large percent of Americans who are not on welfare are obese. Eating the stuff with which we clog up our arteries,

          32. Nastasyana says

            Who’s MB?

          33. Joe T says

            Ghostwriter communique’
            parallel time 21:44
            Input Info
            Pay attention when reading ..above

            Michael Brown

          34. Nastasyana says

            That’s less than 7K per year which is less than $600 per month for food clothing and medical for a child.
            I’m sure if you tell them where the jobs are, they will take them. However , is it worthwhile to make 15K per year and have to pay for childcare which is about 9K per year, which leaves you with the same 7K that you can have and be home with your family?
            And i don’t want to hear how I am probably on the government dole. I have worked since i was sixteen, I have a Masters degree and I work now. I have paid taxes all those years, probably longer than you, and i do not wish to see my fellow Americans or even my fellow human beings suffer from lack of food and healthcare.

          35. Mark Clemens says

            I think you’ve missed my original point:
            Due to economic reasons we should make abortion clinics MORE available for women. The whole state of Tennessee has only 4 or 5 Abortion Clinics state wide. One is in Memphis, the rest in Nashville. Our assembly is right now passing legislation to make it harder for them staying open. This is past stupid. I’m Progressively Conservative.
            I say if a woman wants an abortion, she shouldn’t have to drive hundreds of miles to do it, look at Ultrasounds, take 3 more days to think about it. This is insane. She probably thought about it during her couple hundred mile trip. Every child aborted, is chances that will be two less people on the welfare dole.
            The Right likes that High Horse even if the results are counterproductive. How many Republicans support Abortion or Welfare? Lack of abortion leads to a larger welfare state. It’s just common sense………

          36. Nastasyana says

            I am all for choice. The problem is that many poor women also tend to be religious and against abortion. I’m for pushing the pill, tubes tied after two, and for males who father one children without supporting them- vasectomy. We are overpopulating the world while creating dangerous situations for human survival.

          37. Mark Clemens says

            Here’s something that puzzles me:
            This week HUNDRED MILLIONS of people will pay into Social Security. The Republicans claim SSI is hurting the Treasury. Ask Paul (steal our future) Ryan.
            Not a soul says welfare is hurting the treasury, or going belly up.. Not to mention, nobody pays directly into it like Social Security. I wonder why this is happening? Political Favors? Keep the poor in line? Sooner or later the young must be cut from the tit……….

          38. Nastasyana says

            Because when you compare the amount of welfare to the amount that is being paid out for SS. it baffles the mind. The GOP wants that money to use for war, the stock market, the banks, etc. So they borrow it and use it ans then threaten those of us who have paid into it over 50 years (Yes,me) that it won’;t be available. Just think if they had left it alone to gain interest and if they had taken the cap off, seniors would feel very secure as would the up and coming seniors. I am still working and i get really pissed when people blame social security for the woes of this stupid capitalist system that rewards crooks.

          39. Mark Clemens says

            A democratic president (LBJ) was the first president to allow congress to raid the fund. Yet the politicians expect us to “donate” our money to a vast health care fund as if they were good stwards for SSI., that will be raided like SSI.

          40. TexasStomp says

            IOW, make reproductively responsible folks pay for abortions for people who are NOT reproductively irresponsible. And hey, alcoholism! Since it causes so much misery and so many deaths, we could make responsible drinkers pay for rehab and treatment facilities for people who do not drink responsibly. And make people who heed health warnings, eat right, get their exercise, and do not smoke pay for custodians to follow around fat people or people who smoke to make sure they eat right, exercise, and don’t smoke? Then we could pass more laws that………..

          41. Dave Williams says

            And guess her race. No prizes.

          42. Mark Clemens says

            ……Slovak?

          43. James Maxwell says

            I was thinking Kenyan.

          44. Mark Clemens says

            …….that one never crossed my mind
            (Wink)

          45. Maggiemae says

            😀

          46. Maggiemae says

            Yep!!!

          47. Nastasyana says

            White, Appalachian or southern from Mississippi or Alabama or Louisian- the poorest states in the uSA

          48. Adam Brier says

            What did you expect from uneducated parasites?

          49. Joe T says

            Sad, but FKing true

        2. Nastasyana says

          I agree. And you can set them up in low income neighborhoods because the wealthy can afford to fly to Europe for them.

        3. watchman48 says

          The Bible tells us that the shedding of innocent blood desecrates the land and America is covered from coast to coast with this blood; therefore rightfully deserving of God’s Judgment of our destruction. watchman48.blogspot.com/2009/02/rfc-newsletter.html

          1. Mark Clemens says

            ……..Micheal Brown wasn’t all that innocent. That’s the problem w/abortion, we don’t know what kind of person is getting killed.
            Why don’t you help us out a little. Tomorrow go to the closest Abortion Clinic, and offer to adopt the baby from it’s murderous mother. I’m sick and tired of paying for Degenerative People. Like the great Barnard Fife once said “You have to nip it in the bud.

          2. hangem'high says

            It’s not the abortions that are the problem like you said it’s the Free Status and the government education their receiving, that has fail us!

          3. watchman48 says

            “You have to nip it in the bud.” You are absolutely correct there…. And it needs to start in the hearts of all people…The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? God knows our hearts better than we know our own… Man needs the absolute truth instead of the lies this world offers him.

            I have tried to educate people on abortion for the last 21 years…. and if you are interested, which I highly doubt that you are, click on this link watchman48.blogspot.com/2009/02/rfc-newsletter.html and read The Greater Message.

          4. hangem'high says

            Americans have killed more of their own innocent civilians then the Nazis or communist!

        4. BlackBeaver says

          Sorry, Margaret Sanger had that idea first! And her disciples, Adolf Hitler and his gang, did their best to implement it. Today Planned Parenthood is carrying on her work, in just the way you suggest, which is why the overwhelming number of abortion victims are black babies.
          The issue is not setting one part of our population against the other. It is- and ought to be- finding ways to get our economy back on track and our unemployed back to work.

          1. Mark Clemens says

            I agree w/your last paragraph, and the solution is EZ. Impose Tariffs on imported stuff again. Make it not profitable to manufacture over seas. Only then will real jobs come back StateSide. Actually the only nonpartisan game in DC, is to send our economy over seas (NAFTA, WTO, TPP)both parties go for this. You know why congress wants to “Fast Track” the TPP? Chinese workers are starting to want $2.50 an hour!
            The main reason Abortion is a topic, is because it’s FREE.

          2. Amerikztan says

            now I can agree with ya.

          3. hangem'high says

            A better argument but still arguable to a point!

          4. Mark Clemens says

            Any logical idea has its. Pros & Cons.
            Looking at type of jobs created (since 2006), Wage rate vs Types of jobs, their US wage rate. That have exodus since 2003. The American People are getting the short end of the stick. The main goal of any company is; Do your thing as inexpensive as possible. Charge your clients as much as possible.
            Our Government had done more for the Chinese economy, than our economy!
            We need to tariff again to keep jobs StateSide, and we need the revenue to pay off this debt. Here’s an interesting tid bit.
            The US Government owes almost 18,000,000,000,000 (eighteen trillion) dollar bills to the world. God put around 7,000,000,000,000 (seven trillion) stars in the Milky Way Galaxy.
            When you start new economic practices, and in 17 years end up owing more money than God made stars in a galaxy. You might want to reexamine things, and go back to the old ways…………..Just sayen’

          5. hangem'high says

            I guess one can argue that Obama in one way is like god he created a new system.
            On a more serious note; he is using everything good in America to destroy it! Our money system, our welfare system, our insurance, our legal system , our government our generosity of letting him hold the most coveted job in the world, and he’s chetting on the constitution and the people of it! But when your god whose to argue against it!

          6. Mark Clemens says

            This is not Obama’s doings. This has been going on since NAFTA was implemented. Obama is just the puppet. He really hasn’t steered off. He’ll ship a job over seas as fast as Bush Jr will. Actually more jobs left under Bush Jr than Obama. Clinton got the ball bouncing, by signing us up for WTO. Bush jr & Obama just smiled and waived good by to our jobs. Looking at all known presidential candidates, regardless who wins I do not for see them stopping it. Cruz will hurt the economy the quickest.

          7. hangem'high says

            Sad, but true, he’s just going in for the kill!

          8. Joe T says

            Ghostwriter communique’
            parallel time 19:00
            Input Info
            How will T. Cruz hurt the economy?

          9. teachersaide says

            AND, educating people on BIRTH Control.

          10. Mark Clemens says

            Just give it to them!!!!
            Girls are going to have sex for fun by 16.
            A box of pills each month, is cheaper over 10 years than paying to raise a child for 18 years. Hell, 20 years of birth control pills. Is cheaper than 1 day in the Delivery Room.

        5. James Maxwell says

          That is where planned murder get is most customers from. Look them up in your local phone book and their locations will surprise you.

          1. Mark Clemens says

            I live in Tennessee, the whole state only has 4 or 5 Abortion Clinics, but the State Assembly is working on legislation to shut them down. Arkansas or Alabama have less, women were driving here to do the deed, because their states shut their clinics down.

          2. hangem'high says

            If you get rid of the slurries, you get rid of the rats, if you get rid of the rats, you get rid of the lice, get rid of the lice you get rid of the disease! That simple!

        6. Paul Pray says

          Hell just set them up in the HIGH SCHOOLS…That way its so convienent…for everybody.

          1. Mark Clemens says

            Thats a bit extreme. I don’t even think they should discuss sexual orientation in school. Maybe we should put them (abortion clinics) a few blocks from a church, so people of means can adopt them.
            Oh yea, lets not forget the Income Tax Refunds. I say if you live off the Government’s dime the IRS OWES you NOTHING!!!! I also say, if you are RICH enough to buy a Politician. You don’t need a Tax Break. I think the super rich and ultra poor have life mixed up, on this tax break stuff. Like it’s owed to them. It should be the Treasury’s business to COLLECT money, not dole it out to every Ayatollah, Wall Street Office Boys, or Ghetto Hood Rats.
            The United States owes nobody nothing, it was here first.

          2. hangem'high says

            It was the atheist that got us into this mess and now they want to piss on us also, Great! Time to turn back to God before it’s too late!

          3. hangem'high says

            They actually have them set up off school property, as not to violate the rule of separation of church and state!

        7. teachersaide says

          THAT won’t do it in this day & age! WE have ILLEGAL ALIENS coming here, collecting WELFARE, producing “anchor babies”, and then getting Even MORE WELFARE bene’s PLUS FREE healthcare! LA County is spending about 2 BILLION dollars a year on ILLEGAL aliens “services”(That’s ONE county, in ONE major metropolitan area, in ONE state!) , and WHO has MORE abortions performed than CA, in this country? NO ONE! They won’t even publish the numbers of abortions performed per year.

          1. hangem'high says

            The progressive liberals only have tunnel vision, if you start making sense they’ll have to start thinking their world is not so perfect as it appears on paper!

        8. hangem'high says

          Hell yeah, we can import all the welfare participants we want, making that fundamental change that much easier?

        9. Karen Gaddy says

          Are you insane? You sound just like Margaret sanger, the proponent of abortion. 56 million dead babies are not enough for you? More than 56 million dead, and we still have welfare. The answer is job training, job requirements, fewer illegal aliens, and a culture change. Murdering children is NEVER the answer.

        10. Karen says

          Mark Clemens–The only way to reduce Welfare population is to quit rewarding them each time they get pregnant and add a new recipient to the welfare role!! They get a RAISE with each child they have! I say if you have a child out of wedlock, ok, we (TAXPAYER) will help you raise that one, do it again and you are going to have to SHARE the welfare received from the first MISTAKE! Don’t give them a RAISE for each kid they have!! You have to split one welfare check between 3-8 kids and you stop and realize you CAN’T AFFORD more than one!! Therefore you slow down the WELFARE population!! Do you realize for each child they have, their income increases, they qualify for more food stamps, qualify for a larger home, get more free phones, free health care, and more of any other Free benefits that I (taxpayer) am not even aware of. SO….

      2. OldRockerguy says

        I guess the question is why have we “allowed” the government to hold our retirement money in the first place. Would any of us go to an investment advisor that was up to his eyeballs in debt? I hope not. An honest government that was truly concerned about people’s ability to financially provide for themselves would have created a program of mandatory retirement investment accounts that people could only draw from once they reached retirement age. An HONEST government would NOT be holding your retirement money. They would merely make sure that you had a retirement account. You and possibly your employer would deposit money each payday. Citizens could have control over how the money was invested and use a financial consultant to help them if they chose to. When you die the contents of the account could be willed to your family as you specified without the burden of a death tax. That would be the type of plan that an HONEST government would have put in place. Unfortunately, we don’t have an honest government. Obamacare seems to be their solution to solving Social Security’s financial woes. If they can with hold medical care from retirees then maybe a lot of us will die at a point where we haven’t taken much out of THEIR retirement plan.

        1. hankthetank says

          The Unions don’t have control of the members retirement funds,they can;t be trusted,so they let insurance company’s invest it! so far they have been trustful,

          1. hangem'high says

            None of its safe, even after retirement the government can even seize perishes metals

        2. hangem'high says

          When Clinton bailed out Mexico with the social security money it made at least four of the richest men in the world, which came from Mexico, at least the government has priorities!

      3. Mark Clemens says

        Oswald should of snuffed LBJ too……….

    2. patriotdaddy says

      is it not ironic that we are the only species of mammals that have to PAY to live??!! i mean could we not prove that if other mammals are not taxed, why are we?! lol

      1. Mark Clemens says

        You don’t have to pay anybody for squat. You just have to do it, or make it your self. I’m fairly sure when Ponc de Leon found Florida, there were no 7-11’s or Wal-Mart around. They made it all from the land. Money and Capitalism has made us lazy.

        1. Nastasyana says

          I agree with your last statement, Mark. There are so many lazy welathy people receiving dividends from the sweat of others

          1. Mark Clemens says

            Welfare is Welfare regardless who gets it. I don’t support tax breaks for the super rich or the super poor. Only physically handicapped people deserve HAND OUTS!!!!

        2. Barry Johnson says

          My mother raised 14 kids when there
          is no welfare living and working off a
          small plot of land. Never in my 70 years have I ever known any on welfare. Killing babies not the answer, using the things that are readley available. They know better
          And should not be rewarded for their action.

          1. Mark Clemens says

            Bless your Mama!!!!!

        3. hankthetank says

          Capitalism, had nothing to do with it! I am 83 today,an I am damn sure not lazy! I still take care of my home & yard & two cars, no one touches my home or cars, I mow my yard rotate tires, change the oil, & put on the brakes& much more! there’s not much i can’t do!! the politicians IS what ruined this country, ( mainly the democrat party ) And lawyer’s !!!

      2. Nastasyana says

        Supposedly because human mammals have the ability to think (although by some of the posts on this site I wonder) and decide and plan. And supposedly we are supposed to take care of each other (Constitution, Bible, Koran, etc)

        1. hankthetank says

          Yeah! right! the Qu’ran/ Koran , takes care of you for life,a very short one,till they kill you !!!

        2. hangem'high says

          I wonder what group you fell into?

    3. Deby says

      Sad but true Bob.

    4. rmwayne says

      I’ve been saying for years that slavery is alive and well in this country. That’s what we taxpayers really are. We’re enslaved by a tyrannical federal govt. that is stealing much more than their fair share from the ordinary taxpaying American.

    5. Amerikztan says

      Yes we DO. Take it back America; term limits, States rights. uck the ed.

    6. fred says

      Bob you took the words out of my keyboard exactly! In fact I’d like to know WHERE OUR reparations for being slaves to this criminal enterprise are? It’s no different than any other kind of slavery, they take, you get nothing for your labor!

  4. NoMoreMarxistsInDC says

    I have a solution to the entire problem. Nobody pays taxes anymore. Government prints the money they need anyway. Every taxpayer should become a conscientious objector on religious grounds that they don’t want to pay taxes to fund unpopular wars, send foreign aid to our enemies (including the Federal Reserve Bank), fund health care programs that violate religious beliefs, or be forced to pay for insurances (the Muslims don’t pay for insurance because they believe it’s gambling).

    There is a precent case on not having to pay taxes on religious grounds. See the Fourth Circuit US Court of Appeals case of U.S. v. Snider (1974). Never been overturned.

    1. Deborah G says

      If we were ALL Muslims OBAMA wouldn’t have a dime to waste

      1. Nastasyana says

        Deborah, you have shown some intelligence in past posts. Please don’t tell me that you believe President Obama is a Muslim. That is truly beneath your intelligence.

        1. Deborah G says

          Again you make leaps of logic and assumptions.I believe he is an agnostic/Atheist and is so narcissitic he views himself as the only being that counts.He has strong ties and sympathies for Muslims due to his upbringing which was at best is aligned with his left wing views. he truely believes that the West is evil,Colonialistic and abusive to Islam and the rest of the world.

          1. Nastasyana says

            And you know this how…? He belongs to something called “Church of Christ”, with that great minister that he had to dump, because he spoke the truth about
            this racist country. His grandparents were not Muslim either. Do you have strong ties to Hitler that account for your right wing views? Somalians don’t pay taxes. You guys should live there and then tell us what it’s like.

          2. Deborah G says

            If you believe Reverand Wright is a great man then there is absolutely no hope for you . He is a hate mongering, corrupt man . A total hater. Sick people you libs are. You honor garbage and trash America.

  5. peter says

    Liberals have their own moronic language and should be for them only.

    1. MAHB001 says

      You are right, and the language is political correctness.

    2. Deborah G says

      They should just STFU

    3. real talk 1 says

      They don’t really have any thing to say it’s more of a mumble !!

  6. Alice-Annette Schultz says

    The liberals’ ignorance seems to know no bounds!

    1. Deborah G says

      yes it does it goes as far as Obama’s behind

      1. Jim says

        They delve deep into that subject too!!!

      2. Nastasyana says

        Ugh! With whom have you been hanging out. You can dislike President Obama but why be so….. Crude!

        1. Deborah G says

          OH please now we have a virgin liberal LOL What a joke.

    2. real talk 1 says

      That say’s it all !

      1. Nastasyana says

        No it doesn’t. What does it say? Are you just posting to post? You have said nothing.

  7. HankBar says

    Of course the liberals would rather not see the word. I’m sure some liberal focus group is spending late hours to come up with a more politically correct word or words to gray over the harsh word taxpayer. To soften up the effect it has on the lock step kool-aid drinkers it has captured.

  8. Deborah G says

    All I can say is SCREW these morons. I can’t stand them

    1. Jarhead says

      Not sure it is their low IQ or the fact that they are crooks, and extremely anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, brain-washed and/or brain-injured nincompoops. Yes, most when they speak or write blogs also display severe long term drug addicted. Semper Fi

      1. Deborah G says

        I don’t think they are stupid just wired wrong in the brain input dept

  9. John McGowan says

    That would be subject, bordering on salve. Probably will not be a Queen Hillary for King Obama will stay. But only for the vacations. He has a nice gig now.

  10. Mary Anne Civiok Barth says

    Using the term “taxpayers” also excludes those who avoid paying taxes by moving corporate headquarters out of the country, keep off-shore accounts & other hidden assets, too, doesn’t it?

  11. ArizonaMilitiaDotCom says

    The truth is that the Libtards are also deeply offended by the word “Individual”, because they are such Collectivists . They see only the value of the Collective, not of the singular Citizen.

    Since they value the Collective above all else, then each of us within their Collective are therefore “obligated” to *serve* that Collective. They envision a Gooberment that is of, by, and for the Collective, not the People.

    “Consent of the governed” does not figure into their equation. You and I are here to serve their Collective, not as free Individuals. We are viewed as the Collective’s Subjects, Vassals, or Serfs, and we are to bow down and lick the Collective hand that feeds us.

    Not in my lifetime, douchebags. Not while I have breath left in my body.

    1. Morton212 says

      You don’t really believe in that BS do you ? I hope you realize that this nation, now essentially an oligarchy, is run by a small and astronomically wealthy establishment that is almost evenly divided between the support of liberal, or conservative political ideologically driven voter campaigns.
      You are simply echoing the nonsensical drivel that the establishment wants you to believe. It really does not matter which government gets into power – conservative or liberal. The essential difference is that conservatives prefer the brute force display of military power, and the liberals prefer using economic pressure and diplomacy. But both strategies swing like the pendulum of an old clock. At the end of the day almost all of us will never be wealthy, while the establishment owns about half of all tradeable assets – and every member of Congress.

      1. Jarhead says

        Surrender to all demands of an enemy is not DIPLOMACY!

        1. Morton212 says

          I presume you are talking about Iran … which I have been following pretty closely. The issue is simple. With no agreement, Iran will become a nuclear power. With an agreement, and less hostility between Iran and us, there is a far better chance of moderating their ambitions, and building a better relationship. Netanyahu does not dare say it publicly but he wants a massive preemptive war with Iran – and he wants us to pay for it – and deal with the fallout for years to come. I think it is an immoral strategy, one that is doomed to failure and totally wrong. And the body of military and strategic opinion on the issue is with Obama – at least until there is a ratifiable agreement.

          1. Jarhead says

            The best, fastest, & cheapest way to solve the problem is to drop a NUKE. Also, less collateral damage. Deport Mu-slimes here to clean up the glass over there.

          2. Morton212 says

            Without addressing the absurdity and immorality of your stupid remark – do you not realize that the winds in the middle east are severe – and in all directions, The radioactive fallout from nuclear bombing on such a large country would almost certainly kill its neighbors – including Israel

          3. Jarhead says

            It only took two to conquer Japan….and the Nagasaki streetcar was running the next morning at ground zero. Use one to get the attention of ALL MU-slime maggots.

          4. Morton212 says

            The difference is that Japan did not have nuclear capability – whereas Iran probably already does have it – just like Israel. You can be assured that any such idiocy would probably kill millions of people – and open a wound that would lead to the end of life as we know it – like WW3.

          5. Jarhead says

            Better a FEW dead now than MANY millions later. Of course there will be collateral damage, it is to be expected. Recommend you read Sun-Tzu “The Art Of War” before you make any more stupid comments.

          6. Morton212 says

            I read it years ago. And Sun-Tzu describes war as the failure of diplomacy.

          7. Deby says

            Jarhead-stop feeding the troll Morton212-he is only spewing his liberal garbage to get you going-he is merely an obambot/muslim activist -don’t give him a platform for his arrogant bs.

          8. Jarhead says

            10-Q

          9. Deby says

            DeNada

          10. Nastasyana says

            Those were Atom bombs and if you ever read the book “Hiroshima” you know your remark about streetcars is not true. That was a tragic event that most sane people hope will never be repeated.

          11. Jarhead says

            Was in Nagasaki a few weeks after bomb was set-off – were you?…….the streetcars were operating the very next day according to reliable eye witnesses. You are right on just one item “It should not be repeated unless necessary”….as it is now to end the insane Mu-slimes cowardly terror attacks and set an example for the rest of the world.

          12. Nastasyana says

            Dropping a nuke helps us all. That’s the solution. What a genius!

          13. Jarhead says

            Thank You Appreciate the Compliment …but it is just common sense (Look it up in the Dictionary – – or have some one read it to you).

          14. Frank W Brown says

            I believe that Netanyahu is WAY better equipped than the dunce in the whitehouse will EVER be to deal with Iran! Iran needs to be turned into a PARKING LOT! PERIOD!

          15. Morton212 says

            Netanyahu did not even get 30 percent of the Israeli vote. And your solution is a comic book one, without Superman.

          16. Frank W Brown says

            I think you better check your facts, Netanyahu won by a LANDSLIDE, you can quit trolling now!

          17. Morton212 says

            It is you that needs to check his facts. Netanyahu will be able to lead a coalition – but it is likely to be a very weak one now that he has poisoned the well of US support.

          18. Mark Clemens says

            I wish Netanyahu would nuke Iran, so we can get this over with. The politicians suck at this war thang! How did my Grandpa and Great Uncles wipe the Nazi from the face of the earth, and find time to kick Japan’s ass in less than 5 years? Our “Modern” army has taken 10+ years to find one dude, and not whip a bunch of goat herders? My guess is AMERICAN BLOOD must of been worth more in the 1940’s………..

          19. Nastasyana says

            Morton212. You sound like a person with some critical thinking skills and intelligence. What are you doing on this site

          20. Morton212 says

            You seem like a perceptive person. I bet you can guess, But I may not overtly tell you if you are correct.

      2. ArizonaMilitiaDotCom says

        This particular discussion revolves around the content of the above article, not around the overall differences between the two heads of the same snake. That is not germane to the current discussion. What *is* germane is that current policies and practices are rightfully considered as the product of the current regime, so the Obamunists get the blame for this one, Scooter.

        If you are arguing that there are people other than the Libtards who revere the Collective above the singular Citizen, I agree. But the Libtards are sitting at the top of that particular pile of dog feces, lending helping hands to bring the rest of their contemptible ilk up to the top of the pile.

        If you are arguing that the vast majority of the Congresscritters are, regardless of political affiliation, reprehensible and greedy oligarchs and perverted deviants, I wholeheartedly concur. But we have to start by removing the worst ones first and for my money we would all be better off by putting the Libtards at the head of the line to “walk the plank”.

        Does that mean that I in love with all of the so-called “Conservatives”? Hell no, it does not. I live about twenty minutes from Juan McCain’s freak-show compound near Cornville, Arizona, but I have never voted for him and I never, ever will. I would vote for a cross-eyed walrus before I ever voted for McCain, even though it is hard to tell the difference from a distance.

        My other point was that Libtards seem to be offended by just about everything, and now they are offended by the word ‘taxpayer”. They are the most easily offended, so we need to offend them first and force them out of power completely and utterly. These particular Collectivists have SO got to go. We can get around to removing the other oligarchs once the Libtards have been rendered politically inconsequential.

        We saw the beginnings of such a “surge” against Collectivism during the 2014 elections, and we will get to see it even moreso in 2016. That “surge” is going to turn into a “purge” that will relegate the Libtards to the status of insignificance, much like the Libertarians are today.

        I am personally offended in the extreme by the very presence of Libtards, and I believe that they should not be permitted to reside on the same planet as the rest of us. So I am eagerly looking forward to that 2016 purge process.

        Regardless of which group we remove first, the ultimate outcome remains the same. The polarization of American has now reached the point of being so acute that it can only end one way, the same way that such polarization within a nation has always ended all throughout human history.

        That outcome has traditionally been called Revolution, and it has almost always been made inevitable by the actions of whichever group of deviants happens to be in power. That is what is coming in our future, boys and girls. There is no avoiding it at this point.

        Buy More Ammo. This won’t end pretty, America.

        1. Morton212 says

          If I ignore your childish stereotyping of liberals which is really without even a grain of truth – I will agree that polarization is a real problem – and one that has been rather deliberately manipulated by a small number of self serving Americans who have something of midas complex – and – they are not particularly ideological.
          But your solution is juvenile. The only real hope -for change is one that I seriously doubt you would like. The model is the complete breakdown of another polarized society – the USSR – which has been replaced by 167 multi billionaires as the Russian Federation – now a fascist regime in ll but name.

          1. ArizonaMilitiaDotCom says

            Oh, so my recognizing the obvious fact that Libtards are Collectivists is “childish stereotyping”? What a typically Libtard sound-bite *that* is. Like I am going to believe anything that a Libtard says.

            You seem to believe that because of the way that things turned out in Russia that the same must necessarily happen the same way in America? Call me Provincial, but placing all your bets on a single model sounds a bit unimaginative to say the least.

            I can imagine it turning out a number of different ways, some good, some bad. But you are focusing on the outcome without giving any thought to the process or to the environment in which the process would play out. There are vastly different societal and cultural differences between Americans and Russians. And there was not a significant portion of the Russian population who had been actively preparing in advance for the collapse of the Soviet Union.

            So, “you pays your money and you takes your chances” as the Carnival Barkers would say. I will keep my own counsel about how me and mine will prepare, and we will continue to stock up and to Buy More Ammo.

            In the end, we intend to retain the ability to employ deadly force to protect our own, regardless of what happens to those who do not.

            “Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up doing the plowing for those who kept their swords.” — Markham Shaw Pyle

          2. Morton212 says

            There are many examples. The French Revolution devolved into a royal dictatorship with three Napoleon Emperors. The British monarchy dissolved for a short time – when Cromwell assumed dictatorial powers for 9 years. The Chinese march for freedom devolved into a ruthless communist dictatorship. The Bolshevik Russians eventually produced a tyrant named Stalin.

      3. Nastasyana says

        Yes! While we sit here and argue about liberals and conservatives. We need to form unions and strike the fear of citizens into them like they do in France.

        1. Morton212 says

          There are a number of options available to citizen based lobby groups. And it always boils down to damaging your opponent’s credibility by exposing their cynicism at the perfect time. Obama has demonstrated time and time again how to lead his opponents into a loaded trap. It is extraordinary how cynical his opposition can be – e.g. Ted Cruz’s decision to take an Obamacare healthcare insurance – yesterday. Cruz – no doubt is calculating that the bias of his followers will overwhelm the hypocrisy of his activities.

    2. Nastasyana says

      Let the “singular citizen” try to live on his own. Why do you think people formed communities to live in? It made them safe from the “wild, savage , redskins, and the raiders and the robbers amd the rapists and the….”

      Community- a feeling of fellowship with others, as a result of sharing common attitudes, interests, and goals.

      1. ArizonaMilitiaDotCom says

        Spoken like a true Totalitarina Libtard, a product of Collectivist indoctrination. You fear me not only because I actually *have* the capacity to “live on my own”, but that I also have the ability to *think* on my own, separated from your contemptible herd mentality.

        No, the above word is *not* mis-spelled or a typo, it is “Totalitarina”, a feminine noun, just like “Clintonista”.

        Mob – the product of pure Democracy . The singular Citizen has no value, and therefore no rights. Everything is decided by the whim of a mob.

        Republic – the product of recognizing that the singular Citizen has rights granted to him by God, and that the surrounding “community” has absolutely no say in what those rights are. The singular Citizen has value, and therefore our rights are protected.

        The Republic exists for the purposes of protecting the rights of the singular Citizen (to the ultimate benefit of the community as a whole), to punish criminals, and to provide for the common defense.

        Communities are the result of the natural human desire to gather together. With that gathering together comes not only the capacity for mutual defense, but also the opportunity for mutual abuse.

        There will always be those Totalitarinas who seek to establish dominion over others. The cure to that is not Democracy, but a Republic. A Republic fosters Liberty for their Citizens by recognizing that each singular Citizen has a set of God-given individual rights that the state cannot regulate, control, legislate, or take away . The rights of those Citizens remain in place for as long as they refrain from violating the rights of others.

        A Democracy is two Wolves and one Sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty, in a Republic, is a well-armed Sheep who has no intention of going along with the majority vote.

        The Wolves will always vote to victimize the Sheep, but the Sheep retains the right to both self-defense and to the *means* of effective self-defense.

        Here in Arizona, we retain the right to much more effective means of self-defense than any other state. That is one of the main reasons why my wife and I choose to live here.

        The Collectivist Totalatarina Libtards refuse to recognize that the singular Citizen has value, and that we retain the right not only to the most effective means of self-defense, but also retain the right to *not* go along with the herd.

        If the community herd (mob) votes to burn down our rural home and force my wife and I to live in the crowded city, then we retain the right to tell them all to go to Hell.

        We also retain the right to the most effective means of putting those community arsonists six feet under.

        Collectivists, Libtards, “Progressives”, Communists, Socialists, and rest of their contemptible ilk are all Totaltarinas. They cannot bear the thought of being separated from their own herd, so they seek to force all of the rest of us to be in that herd with them. All of them are herd animals, so they naturally fear those of us who actually have the capacity to “live on our own”. They simply cannot tolerate the prospect of some of us being able to actually *think* on our own.

        It is that irrational fear that drives the Totaltarinas, not Reason. It is an indication that they are not better for our community, but are in fact a deadly threat to it. Because of their herd mentality, they need to be removed from the community, not just simply tolerated within it.

        They should never, ever be encouraged. They are very, very mentally ill.

  12. Psalms139.23.24 says

    Why should citizens NOT have a say on where tax money is spent? Just keep allowing the current crooked gov’t to spend it on more secret projects used against the American people putting the deficit even further out of sight? May wanna change the title of this site to SabotageThisNation if you agree with that ideal.

    1. Nastasyana says

      I don’t want my taxes spent on creating wars around WMD’s that never existed.

  13. Elaine Eckart says

    must be the line where we check White Privilege, instead of taxpayer.

  14. TPM says

    I don’t think we should remove the term “tax payer” … I think we should expand the vernacular to include the term “tax taker.” You know … the democrat’s voting base.

  15. downs1 says

    Liberals like Bruenig seem to think that the people should not have anything to say about what the government does with our money. That is, this is no longer a government “of the people, by the people and for the people.” This means, according to her, that those in charge should have the right to take our tax money and funnel it to people who hate us and who want to destroy us [which has happened, is happening, and will happen again] and we should simply “shut up!” It should be used for a host of inane “liberal causes” which will further transform this nation into the ignorant, immoral, atheist, dying society the liberals have created! What will these people do when the nation collapses into chaos? Why, they will blame others, of course!

  16. Joe T says

    February 17, 2008, reprint – Psychiatrist Confirms: Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder

    Liberalism is the doctrine of the Democrats………….in additions to LIES, LIES, LIES 24/7.

    As a clinical and forensic psychiatrist, Lyle Rossiter has treated over 1,500 patients and examined over 2,700 civil and criminal cases. Turning his hand to political psychopathology, the author of The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, has diagnosed an alarming percentage of the population as suffering from the grotesque form of mental derangement known by some as moonbattery

    The Liberal Mind is the first in-depth examination of the major political madness of our time: The radical left’s efforts to regulate the people from cradle to grave. To rescue us from our troubled lives, the liberal agenda recommends denial of personal responsibility, encourages self-pity and other-pity, fosters government dependency, promotes sexual indulgence, rationalizes violence, excuses financial obligation, justifies theft, ignores rudeness, prescribes complaining and blaming, denigrates marriage and the family, legalizes all abortion, defies religious and social tradition, declares inequality unjust, and rebels against the duties of citizenship. Through multiple entitlements to unearned goods, services and social status, the liberal politician promises to ensure everyone’s material welfare, provide for everyone’s healthcare, protect everyone’s self-esteem, correct everyone’s social and political disadvantage, educate every citizen, and eliminate all class distinctions. Radical liberalism thus assaults the foundations of civilized freedom. Given its irrational goals, coercive methods and historical failures, and given its perverse effects on character development, there can be no question of the radical agenda’s madness. Only an irrational agenda would advocate a systematic destruction of the foundations on which ordered liberty depends. Only an irrational man would want the state to run his life for him rather than create secure conditions in which he can run his own life. Only an irrational agenda would deliberately undermine the citizen’s growth to competence by having the state adopt him. Only irrational thinking would trade individual liberty for government coercion, sacrificing the pride of self-reliance for welfare dependency. Only a madman would look at a community of free people cooperating by choice and see a society of victims exploited by villains. [From The Liberal Mind; The Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., MD]

  17. talltreetrader says

    How about changing it to TAX VICTIM! Cause that is what we taxpayer are, victims of the Progressive Government. What ever happened to ” Taxation without representation”???

    The following is inevitable: The Progressives (Satan) ultimate goal is to make all exchange of money electronic. This will eventually replace money with nothing more than data; think about this for a while! All value in your bank or in your worth, retirement or property will be data not gold, silver or paper money backed by Federal (this is a joke) Reserve. So now when all of this is accomplished, it is just a key stroke for the Government and or Federal Reserve and or the IRS to dictate how much wealth you are allowed to have or create. how much TAXIS you will pay and how much the mentioned agency’s decide to confiscate! This my friends is ultimate Communism in all it’s glory!

    Even today when a person takes a $20. bill and purchases 20 dollars worth of goods; don’t you feal guilty for giving another a worthless paper for valuable goods? The actual value of a $1., $5., $10., $20.or even $100. bill is just a few cents, ea. the cost to print it.

    Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    TheGospelTruth.us

    1. Francisco Machado says

      “money” is a medium of exchange. That’s a critical definition. It is credit we hold for something we’ve “sold” – skill, work, an item we previously bought, a plant we’ve grown. Basically, we still have the original economy, the barter economy. Money is a numerical expression of credit and facilitates, broadens, the barter possibilities. Very crudely and inaccurately put, but for recognition of the concept – the value of money is the moment ratio of money to the worth of the labor and product of the issuing society. Which also illustrates why increasing the supply of it faster than the increase in the product of said society reduces the exchange value of that money and why there are negative results from feeding money to government to produce things that do not increase the society’s value and do increase the monetary cost of things the private sector produces without increasing their utility value.

      1. Morton212 says

        Well said. Unfortunately there is a huge increase in economic expansion by providing credit based upon an assumption of the future values of a product, or industry. There is also great risk which every now and then results in a recession, or even depression – as a result of a gap between current and future values that may drift out of control.
        I we forced the government to provide better reserves for social dislocation – the capitalist system would be far less bruising – but a very powerful lobby of capitalists do not want the people to understand that … after all it is they who would have to pay for it from their profits.

    2. Joe T says

      February 17, 2008, reprint – Psychiatrist Confirms: Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder

      Liberalism is the doctrine of the Democrats………….in additions to LIES, LIES, LIES 24/7.

      As a clinical and forensic psychiatrist, Lyle Rossiter has treated over 1,500 patients and examined over 2,700 civil and criminal cases. Turning his hand to political psychopathology, the author of The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, has diagnosed an alarming percentage of the population as suffering from the grotesque form of mental derangement known by some as moonbattery

      The Liberal Mind is the first in-depth examination of the major political madness of our time: The radical left’s efforts to regulate the people from cradle to grave. To rescue us from our troubled lives, the liberal agenda recommends denial of personal responsibility, encourages self-pity and other-pity, fosters government dependency, promotes sexual indulgence, rationalizes violence, excuses financial obligation, justifies theft, ignores rudeness, prescribes complaining and blaming, denigrates marriage and the family, legalizes all abortion, defies religious and social tradition, declares inequality unjust, and rebels against the duties of citizenship. Through multiple entitlements to unearned goods, services and social status, the liberal politician promises to ensure everyone’s material welfare, provide for everyone’s healthcare, protect everyone’s self-esteem, correct everyone’s social and political disadvantage, educate every citizen, and eliminate all class distinctions. Radical liberalism thus assaults the foundations of civilized freedom. Given its irrational goals, coercive methods and historical failures, and given its perverse effects on character development, there can be no question of the radical agenda’s madness. Only an irrational agenda would advocate a systematic destruction of the foundations on which ordered liberty depends. Only an irrational man would want the state to run his life for him rather than create secure conditions in which he can run his own life. Only an irrational agenda would deliberately undermine the citizen’s growth to competence by having the state adopt him. Only irrational thinking would trade individual liberty for government coercion, sacrificing the pride of self-reliance for welfare dependency. Only a madman would look at a community of free people cooperating by choice and see a society of victims exploited by villains. [From The Liberal Mind; The Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., MD]

  18. Jim says

    How about “Free”giver?

  19. Tasine says

    Elizabeth Stoker Bruenig probably believes that it is offensive to non-taxpayers. My thinking is that if it is offensive to them, they might try working and paying taxes like the rest of us do. The political left is mentally defective no matter how the pie is sliced. They hate the wealthy because they are jealous of them and it is easier to hate them than it is to work to try to catch up with them. You’ll note that it is fine in their books for the LEFT to be wealthy. The only bad wealthy are those who are not leftists. The only bad behavior, such as worshipping in a Christian church, is that done by the right, and only the right cannot do political campaigning in church although the political left has ALWAYS campaigned in church, but it’s O.K. for them. PRoblem with leftists is they have no principles for living, no moral guidance and they WANT none; hence can live anyway they choose at any given time in history. It’s only the right whose lives and behaviors must be controlled. The left, and I maintain the ENTIRE left is psychotic, mentally ill, and incompetent to tell ANYONE what he can and cannot do, and we should be encouraging them to see a good psychiatrist. Unfortunately, the only one they would see would be a leftist one who is ALSO PSYCHOTIC. Find me a sane leftist and I’ll show you a scam.

  20. boris yasdnilkov says

    Okay, President Obama will now issue an Executive Order declaring that henceforth those who pay taxes shall be named “taxed subjects” and those who do not pay taxes shall be called “taxation beneficiaries.”

  21. Dan says

    I call it doers and leeches.

  22. Frick says

    braindeads!!!

  23. Jarhead says

    How about “Victims of a Broken Congress” or “Robbery victims – – Thanks IRS, EPA, DHS, ACA, etc.”. or
    “Crime does pay if you work for the FED/GOV”.

  24. Mark says

    I’m so sick and tied of seeing Obama’s face I could puke.

    1. Morton212 says

      Then Hillary Clinton’s will be a nice change I presume.

      1. Mark says

        And you presume this of course due to your infinite wisdom…

        1. Morton212 says

          I can’t read your mind – but I felt sorry for your despair and stomach upset that you appear to get by gazing at Obama.

          1. Mark says

            Is there a point to your blather?

          2. Morton212 says

            Compassion for conservatrolls ?

  25. phil62 says

    Is it possible that every single person that calls themselves a liberal can be so damned STUPID? Every time someone goes out and does a street interview about ANY subject the liberal brain pool (or lack thereof) rears its useless head. Here’s a liberal idea for you: Why not have one dictionary (preferably Webster’s) for the conservatives with common sense and one separate dictionary for liberals with all of their stupid politically correct words.

  26. MILES E DRAKE says

    As with much of the verbiage from the left, it is clear where this is going, and that is to Havana and Pyongyang. The assertion is that the wealth of the country belongs to the collective, and the state will allow citizens to have more or less of it depending upon the state’s needs and priorities. Citizens are thus fungible and the work or consumption of one can be replaced by that of another; this makes it easy to vaporize this one or throw that one into a camp. This flows logically, or as logically as Marxist thought can ever flow, from the Mussolini-like eloquence of the Dear Leader’s speech of a few weeks ago, which among other manipulative themes invoked the “slaves who built the White House”. The problem is not that slaves were involved in the construction of government buildings 250 years ago, it is that the people are slaves of government today.

  27. DavidMacko says

    I want to stop using the term “moronic b*tch but as long as I read the comments of female liberals I cannot do so.

    1. Nastasyana says

      I am sure they have a euphemism for you that is just as fitting

  28. Frank W Brown says

    I read again today that FEDERAL EMPLOYEES owe the IRS 3.5 BILLION dollars of BACK TAXES!!!
    Make them pay up their taxes for a change! And there is no better way to describe TAXPAYERS!

  29. Mike says

    That the welfare queen is as valuable to America as the businessman. That may be true in the eyes of God, but it isn’t true in the eyes of the economy.

    Except so many of the Liberals today are fascists, with no belief in God. (Fascism is government control of business, like Obamacare). Jihadi Fascist Obama is as close to Hitler as America has ever been.

    1. Nastasyana says

      I would love to meet this ubiquitous welfare queen someday. Most of the people i see using food stamps and WIC are single women with families to feed because their former wealthy spouses used the law to deprive them of their rightful share of the family resources so they could support their trophy wives in style. Somehow we let them not pay their fair share while verbally condemning men who say they cannot afford to pay. Do not get me started on this track.

      1. Mike says

        Certainly family and family values are under assault. Welfare queens and kings are not hard to find, especially now. Maybe you need to meet some eastern european men to broaden your thinking on men. Check out colorquiz.com

  30. Francisco Machado says

    It has been my long-held position that, in reference to government programs, the frequently used adjective “Free” should be replaced by “Taxpayer Subsidized.” In some programs wherein the applicant has not first “bought” the the program, such as unemployment insurance, it may not be unreasonable to replace the term “applicant” with “supplicant.”

    1. Nastasyana says

      Like your taxpayer subsidized mortgage interest and the farmer’s subsidized planting and the corporations subsidized expansion cost which results in large bonuses to anybody above a certain level whether the company is successful or not?

      1. Francisco Machado says

        Subsidies are a tool. Subsidizing something makes sense when there’s a valid reason for encouraging what’s being subsidized. More cancer research? Subsidize it. Even research that pays off usually does it after a long period of costs with no return. Sometimes subsidies even contradict one another. You want people who can’t afford children to have more children? Subsidize it. Fewer children? Subsidize birth control. You want states to open Obamacare exchanges? Tell them their citizens won’t get subsidies if they don’t open their own exchanges. The ethanol subsidy is an example of one that’s purely political, since it doesn’t improve gas mileage or engine longevity and it’s more polluting than gasoline – and there’s no shortage of petroleum. There’s also no shortage of large scale corn farmers with political clout. The “renewable energy” scams like Solyndra were probably pure political payoffs, and you can just imagine the outcry if a fossil fuel operation killed as many birds as the subsidized wind turbines. The only way to make them cost competitive is to regulate up the cost of fossil fuel generation and subsidize the turbines. You can bet the politicians get payoffs (indirectly) out of that.

  31. Mike says

    The tax on labor is un-apportioned breaking constitutional law at Art 1 Sec 9 Cl 4 and then at 15 USC 17. Tax slave is the most accurate term

    1. real talk 1 says

      AMen !!

  32. Fred Underwood says

    So typical of those elite people who are payed directly with our tax dollars or indirectly that they know best they have a perfect example in Obama and Michelle who do not hesitate at all in telling us what we should and should not do,think,eat etc.etc.

  33. tk-atty says

    Liberals, the Obama administration, and establishment republicans think that people are too stupid to know we are being taxed to death if they call “taxpayers” a different name. How stupid they are!

  34. RMorrow says

    Liberals continue to prove everyday that they are INSANE.

    1. Deby says

      and yet, they seem to be the major force driving all government policy these days-why is that????? They are so busy tearing down anyone and any idea from the right as hateful, stupid, etc. when disagreed with, and the insanity part is that they are GETTING AWAY WITH IT! Has to stop-we the people need to get our government back -I hope and pray we are not too late.

      1. RMorrow says

        Deby, do you realize that Liberalism is built on lies from start to finish? Liberalism is a creation by Liberals to justify wrong doing. God is on the right and is the right and is the father of all truths. Satan owns the left and all lies that come from the left. Just like Nazism is left, and was built on all lies. People think Nazim is right wing? Nazism was only right wing of Stallin, who was on the left with communism. But, Nazism is Left, and most of all un-Godly. The opposite ways of God is Satanism. Liberalism is the new name for Satanism.

        Jeus was and is about setting people free from the bondage’s of sin. That is NOT SOCIALISM. Liberals are wrong about everything, and people should speak up against them in all areas of life. You can see Obama trying to create his Liberal Utopia and it’s not working out very well now is it. The world is now burning, our nation is more vulnerable than ever to our enemies, and Obama has wasted 8 trillion dollars with nothing to show for it. What a liberal loser.

        1. Deby says

          Yes I do realize that and I agree with most of your post except the part about socialism –because that is exactly the steppingstone for the libs to get their dream of utopian dictatorship. the muslim in the wh has been working toward that end since he was elected with the help of his comunist moneyman Soros and countless others who are atheists and hate America as well. I totally agree he is the biggest liberal loser, but right now we the people are losing as well, and it sickens me when I read the posts of his defenders.

          1. RMorrow says

            Deby, here is what the Lord has show me. The driving force of Liberalism is the homosexual agenda. As long as Obama supports the homosexuals, he will be beloved no matter what he does by the Liberals. The spearhead of the Liberal movement are the homosexuals. The spearhead of the Nazi movement were the Brownshirts. The Brownshirts were all homosexuals. The exact same evil that drove Nazism is now driving Liberalism. The evil that drives the homosexuals, is lust. Homosexuals lust for each other. Lust is their driver on the inside. Lust and SATAN are one. That is why the Lord destroys the homosexuals from cover to cover in his Word. Jesus came to the rescue to blind, crippled, sick, and cast out demons out of people. But, as the Lord pointed out to me, Jesus did NOT COME TO THE RESCUE TO ONE HOMOSEXUAL. For Satan owns all perversion.

            Therefore, Satan owns all of Liberalism, and all false teachings, religions, and theologies.

            The Lord says Satan has been releasing spirits into the earth teaching false doctrines. We are seeing that everywhere now.

          2. Deby says

            Ok, so if Satan is in charge (and I do believe you on that one-obozo is indeed the Devil) when will the believers get the benefit of Jesus’ rescue from the LBGT agenda being forced down our throats at every turn right now by the radical libs? or the rampant racism being resurrected and used for political gain by the extreme racists in the WH? I think God wants us to fight back -which is why the right is fighting so hard to get this government back to its roots of “Liberty and Justice for All”. I believe God forgives the sinners, but ONLY if they repent their sins and do not keep committing them. The liberal left is based on insane anti-religious ideaology-I believe that as well.

          3. RMorrow says

            How do we get rescued is your question from God? The Lord says vengenece belongs to him. God says it’s okay to be angry, but do not sin. In other words, we are to fight back with our voices, not our evil deeds. God does not want us to commit evil for evil. Even though we would like to do just that sometimes. The more we depend on God, the better results we get. No one that is evil goes unpunished. Even Senator Ted Kennedy who was the Liberal lion got his in the end. God brought him down with a brain tumor and there are no Liberals in Heaven. Did you notice after Kenndy was diagnosed with the brain tumor, he stopped lying about all his political opponents?? He knew his gig was up and he was headed for judgment, which is a very humbling moment. The Lord will list all Kennedy’s lies and that means they will be there for a very long time before he goes to HELL. No one escapes the Lord’s judgment in the long run. For the Lord owns the clock on all of us.

    2. Nastasyana says

      Perhaps but we do read and check things out and think critically about situations rather than just accept what our media tells us

    3. RMorrow says

      The media is supposed to be responsible and be objective and tell the truth. Since when does the Liberal media do that? Everything is about them and their horseshit Liberalism, which is completely built on lies, just like Nazism.

  35. Cahoon says

    The government is OUT OF CONTROL, and it’s our fault!

  36. rridgsr says

    To hell with liberals they hate the truth that is why they want you to stop being tax payers liberals are the worst enemy this Country ever had piss on all of them .

  37. b.badenoff says

    So I guess that’s the next term that will get your posts deleted. These libs have way to time on they’re hands.

  38. guest says

    Since many of them cannot call themselves “taxpayers,” I can understand why they want to do away with the term, can’t you?

  39. cal3301 says

    We are no longer the government of the people, by the people, and for the people, but we are one off of the people. I have been saying this every time there is a Democrat as President or in control of our taxes, because they are the ones that want to spend, spend, spend..

    1. Morton212 says

      In fact – the biggest spenders have been Republican governments – although they love to deny it. Whether it was George Bush’s enormous drug subsidy to the pharmaceutical industry (ostensibly for senior medications), or two enormously expensive failed military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      1. cal3301 says

        Obama’s failed green companies(spent tax dollars in the form of grants)……

        Solyndra (FAILED!- $535 Million)
        SunPower (FAILED!- $1.2 BILLION)
        First Solar (FAILED!- $3 BILLION)
        Beacon Power (FAILED! – $43 Million)
        ECOtality (FAILED! – $126.2 Million)
        Abound Solar (FAILED! – $400 Million)
        Brightsource (FAILED! – $1.6 BILLION)
        Raser Technologies (FAILED! – $33 Million)
        Solar Trust of America (FAILED!- $2.1 BILLION)
        Nevada Geothermal Power (FAILING!- $98.5 Million)

        Okay here is your deficit from Rep To Dem control
        nominal dollars inflation adjustments ( the letters at the end of each stand for President, Senate and House control wit R being Republican and D being Democrat)

        2003 $377.6 Billion Deficit $470.82 Billion Deficit R R R

        2004 $413 Billion Deficit $501.21 Billion Deficit R R R

        2005 $318 Billion Deficit $373.24 Billion Deficit R R R

        2006 $248 Billion Deficit $282.14 Billion Deficit R R R

        2007 $161 Billion Deficit $178.1 Billion Deficit R D D

        2008 $459 Billion Deficit $488.82 Billion Deficit R D D

        2009 $1413 Billion Deficit $1509.62 Billion Deficit D D D

        2010 $1294 Billion Deficit $1360.67 Billion Deficit D D D

        2011 $1299 Billion Deficit $1324.16 Billion Deficit D D R

        2012 $1100 Billion Deficit $1100 Billion Deficit D D R (the dip was from the sequestration)
        2013 $900 Billion Deficit $884.96 Billion Deficit D D R

        Notice the decrease under the Republicans and then see what happened when the Democrats held the purse and you can’t blame it on the war because we were already there.——- Here is what is left our children and their children. Not billions, but trillions.

        Here is the National debt between Bush and Obama

        12/30/2005 BUSH $8,170,424,541,313

        12/29/2006 BUSH $8,680,224,380,086

        12/28/2007 BUSH $9,229,172,659,218

        12/31/2008 BUSH $10,699,804,864,612

        12/31/2009 OBAMA $12,311,349,677,512

        12/31/2010 OBAMA $14,025,215,218,709

        12/31/2011 OBAMA $15,125,898,976,397

        12/31/2012 OBAMA $16,432,730,050,569 103.9%

        We are now over $18 trillion in debt and Obama wants to raise that ceiling again.

        1. Morton212 says

          Solyndra was a part of the push by government for green energy – which has now returned a substantial profit to the taxpayers net.net of any misteps.
          You forgot to include all the billions of social security surpluses spent by GWB on two wars, or the massive amount of debt that did not go through any budget – but were presented to Obama on his first day of office.

          1. cal3301 says

            SS money was never spent on the war, are you that much of an idiot. The Democrats have been giving it to illegals and want to pull more for SS diability that many have fallen on because of because of lack of jobs for US citizens. Look it up. SS disability runs out in 2016.

            SOLYNDRA was the manufacturer of cylindrical panels of copper indium gallium selenide (CIGS) thin-film solar cells based in Fremont, California. Although the company was once touted for its unusual technology,plummeting silicon prices
            led to the company’s being unable to compete with conventional solar panels made of crystalline silicon. Our government only hopes to gain 19% of it
            back.

          2. Morton212 says

            LOL!

            Social security surpluses were paid into the General Fund for two decades in anticipation of the post war baby boom. They were never supposed to be used to pay government shortfalls for other things. The fact is that they were intact as a ledger surplus in 2000, and had all been used by 2008.

            Solyndra was but one of several investments the government made in green energy. Just as an astute trader buys a ‘basket’ of high tech securities, so did the government – knowing that some will fail.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/11/13/wonkbook-remember-solyndra-those-loans-are-making-money/

          3. cal3301 says

            http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

            Read it and weep. It has never been spent on any other purpose. Also it was the Democrats that chose to tax it after you got it.

          4. Morton212 says

            That is playing with words. There has NEVER been any kind of separate fund for SS. It is simply an accounting trick. SS is an IOU system – which gets back to my point. What money the government has been surplusing for the post war baby boom – does not exist. It can only be raised from more taxation.

          5. cal3301 says

            SS is a Ponzi scheme where the first ones in got the best benefits. Those working are covering those on it now. Everybody knows this and the fact about it. It has always been separate from the general fund. That myth has been going on for several decades, long before Bush. Get over it. Obama wants to dip into it for the SSD group whose money runs out next year. It has never been touched for anything other than SS..
            The problem with the system now is we don’t have enough workers to support it. Over 46 million are on food stamps, over 44 million are in the poverty level, over 48 million retirees, 11 million on disability, over 55 million on medicare, over 72 million on medicaid, and over 159 million receiving some form of benefits. The problem is we have a population of over 320 million with many not having children. We have only 148,508,385 in the work force with only 117,857,983 of them being US income taxpayers. 17,152,875 is the actual unemployed count leaving us with over 93 million not working. Do you get it now?

          6. Morton212 says

            It is a perfectly valid way of funding social insurance. There was a surplus calculation in the FICA and FUTA taxes – which has been coopted by politicians because they were unwilling to ask the taxpayer to fund wars. And if the ceiling for these insurances were to raised – perhaps with a very minimal tax increase – the system would remain viable for decades o come.

          7. cal3301 says

            Obamacare is another Ponzi scheme only this one is destined to fail because there are too many variables to consider.

          8. Morton212 says

            It is a first stage to a public healthcare system. Already, the HMOs have made the remnants of the old system vastly more efiicient. The next stage will be to remove redundancy which is still a huge wastage – and finally turn the HMOs into management consulting companies for a fee rather than as many profits they can make out of the poor health of the nation.

          9. cal3301 says

            Obamacare relies on the young and healthy to pay for the poor and poor and elderly. If the young decide to stop being the brunt of the system and refuse to pay, that’s it. Pryor to the ACA, there were only about 10 million uninsured. Now there are over 40 million. I’m one of that 40 million that can no longer afford to have it and does not qualify for any of their assistance. It’s either pay for my home and go without or pay their unaffordable fees and have no place to live.

          10. Nastasyana says

            It is my understanding that there is SS and SS. One is out of the general fund for
            poor people and the other is our SS that we share payment with our employers.

          11. Morton212 says

            No. Social security is funded from your wages. These payments are used to fund benefits for those who have already retired. There used to be a surplus of payments greater than the current payout. The surpluses were always dumped into the general fund with just a ledger entry.

          12. Nastasyana says

            I know it is funded from my wages and my organization also pays in. My Aunt worked for Social Security and told me that there is n SS fund that does not stand fro Social Security that comes out of the general fund to support indigents. Not sure if that still exists. It is separate from SS for those conservatives who used to say that SS is dying because of support for non working people and immigrants.
            SS is in trouble because of Bush’ borrowing to fund his wars.

          13. Morton212 says

            Yes.
            During the George W. Bush administration, the federal government spending was increased from $1789 billion to $2983 billion (70%) but the revenues were only increased from $2025 billion to $2524 billion (25%). Individual income tax revenues were increased by 14%, corporate tax revenues by 50%, customs and duties by 40%. Discretionary defense spending was increased by 107%, discretionary domestic spending by 62%, Medicare spending by 131%, social security by 51%, and income security spending by 130%.

            Cyclically adjusted, revenues rose by 35% and spending by 65%.

          14. cal3301 says

            Welfare and Social Security are two different things. SSI and SSD are Social Security for those of disability, some born with others acquired. If you want to know more go here…..

            http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

          15. BlackBeaver says

            An “astute investor” avoids investments that are not likely to provide ant return. That is why Solyndra had to depend on the largess of our government instead of the investment savvy of Wall Street.

          16. Morton212 says

            An astute investor hedges his risks. Every investment is a risk – especially in high tech. From what I have read – Obama’s advisers were very shrewd about green energy loans. As an investment sector it has paid extremely handsome returns net/net

          17. BlackBeaver says

            Green energy firms’ success is tied almost totally to the government’s loans and subsidies, as well as the myth of “man-made global warming”.
            As to the “shrewd’ advisors, they were indeed- but not in a positive sense.

          18. Nastasyana says

            The GOP “borrowed” money from SS to pay for the wars after Clinton had created a surplus/

          19. cal3301 says

            Clinton’s only surplus was on paper. Our country has been in debt for over a century. The only one that came close to neutralizing it was Nixon.

            When GW took office the national debt left by Clinton’s group was at $5,662,216,013,697. At the end of eight years GW left with a debt of $10,699,804,864,612. At the end of 2011, Obama was at $15,125,898,976,397 in three years. Bush Sr. left with $4,177,009,000,000. Reagan at $2,684,392,000,000. Carter at $930,210,000,000. Ford at $653,544,000,000 AND SO ON. The worst of this is that our debt now exceeds 100% of our GDP.

            Barack Obama: Added $6.167 trillion, a 53%
            increase to the $11.657 trillion debt level attributable to President Bush at
            the end of his last budget, FY 2009.

            FY 2014 – $1.086 trillion.
            FY 2013 – $672 billion.
            FY 2012 – $1.276 trillion.
            FY 2011 – $1.229 trillion.
            FY 2010 – $1.652 trillion.
            FY 2009 – $253 billion. (Congress passed the Economic Stimulus Act, which spent $253 billion in FY 2009. This rare occurrence should be added to President Obama’s contribution to the debt.) Democrat control of both Houses

            George W. Bush: Added $5.849 trillion, a 101% increase to the
            $5.8 trillion debt level at the end of Clinton’s last budget, FY
            2001.

            FY 2009 – $1.632 trillion. (Bush’s deficit without the impact of the Economic Stimulus Act).
            FY 2008 – $1.017 trillion.
            FY 2007 – $501 billion.
            FY 2006 – $574 billion.
            FY 2005 – $554 billion.
            FY 2004 – $596 billion.
            FY 2003 – $555 billion.

            FY 2002 – $421 billion.Bill Clinton: Added $1.396 trillion, a 32% increase to the $4.4 trillion debt level at the end of Bush’s last budget, FY 1993.

            FY 2001 – $133 billion.
            FY 2000 – $18 billion.
            FY 1999 – $130 billion.
            FY 1998 – $113 billion.
            FY 1997 – $188 billion.
            FY 1996 – $251 billion.
            FY 1995 – $281 billion.

            FY 1994 – $281 billion.George H.W. Bush: Added $1.554 trillion, a 54% increase to the $2.8 trillion debt level at the end of Reagan’s last budget, FY 1989.

            FY 1993 – $347 billion.
            FY 1992 – $399 billion.
            FY 1991 – $432 billion.
            FY 1990 – $376 billion.

          20. Morton212 says

            Those figures can be argued very differently from a partisan point of view. In fact we are on track to not only easily absorb the relatively modest deficit that now exists, but a combination of inflation and economic expansion may well halve the nation debt within a decade.

          21. cal3301 says

            Obama wants to raise the ceiling on the budget and that will only increase his spending. FYI, again, I am an Independent that has grown tired of the lies of the past six years. Each tax payer would have to come up with about $160,000 to pay off that debt now, but most live paycheck to paycheck.

          22. BlackBeaver says

            On your three points:

            Just where did you find any accounting of the Solyndra farce that shows it “returned a substantial profit to the taxpayers”? Every published source I’ve seen indicates the government’s ‘investment’ (aka payola for political donors) has never been recovered, costing taxpayers over $500 million.

            As far as Social Security, there hasn’t been a true ‘lock box’ since Lyndon Johnson rolled the Social Security trust funds into the general budget.

            Mr. Bush was indeed a big spending, big government Progressive, but his deficits pale in the face of the enormous deficits caused by Mr. Obama’s spending spree.

          23. Morton212 says

            type this into google search ‘was Obama’s green energy investment good ?’
            You will get nearly 12 million results. There is a huge amount of anti Obama hubris – none of it with supporting facts except the very public early loss of $ 500 million. But that was completely diminished by the many other successes – that Obama’s critics fail to even acknowledge. On balance green energy loans made the tax payer billions in profits.

            Regarding social security – you are dredging what we all know. However the surpluses did exist in 2000 – and had been eaten away as a result of non funding of the two Bush wars.

            Regarding Bush’s profligacy – his wars cost more than $ 4 trilion. And the failure to take action on the credit default swaps crisis in 2006 – directly can be shown to have caused another $ 3 trillion dollar deficit – much of which Obama ha to shoulder after it had been spent.

          24. BlackBeaver says

            Suggesting a Google search allegedly yielding “nearly 12 million results” avoids answering the question. Other than the loan Tesla repaid, the government’s attempt at start-up funding has been a losing proposition. It has not “returned a substantial profit to the taxpayers”. Surely you can provide a source that supports your statement.

  40. Douglas Smith says

    The people need to read the Internal Revenue Code especially the def. of “taxpayer” at USC 26 Section 7701 (a). When you are finished reading that def. scroll down and read the def. of “person”. Notice that the term “individual” is included with the other entities listed. Now go to USC 26 Section 7701 (c) and read how the terms “include” and “including” are used in the IRC. Now go to subpart A of the IRC at section 1 and read how the “individual” is commanded to pay the graduated income tax and ask yourself ‘Am I this entity called an individual or a human being’. Are we having fun yet?

    1. Morton212 says

      The taxpayer is referred to as an individual, because the taxpayer may be an ‘it’ – like a trust, or a corporation. It is not necessarily a person. But you are correct in assuming that the IRS code is aimed pretty squarely at persons. For a long time, the philosophy of this nation has been that persons essentially own every kind of non-person structure – and that taxation should therefore be aimed at people. Unfortunately, it is something of a lie – as it is possible now to avoid taxation indefinitely, if you are very wealthy and hide behind a corporate structure, or business shell which permits ‘carried interest’.

      1. Douglas Smith says

        The IRC defines “taxpayer” as ‘a person who owes a tax under the IRC’. The “individual” at subpart A is the “individual taxpayer” they (the IRS) just leave off the term “taxpayer”. The human being thinks that the term “income” is “all monies coming in”. The U.S. Supreme Court says that “income is profit and gain severed from capital”. The ignorant American, thinking that what they earn at their job is income and they make their first year election bY filling out a form 1040 (see def. of first year election at 7701). Its all perfectly legal for the average American volunteers and it says so right in the IRC.

        1. Morton212 says

          I think you should leave that kind of business in the hands of your tax attorney, accountant – or tax software – as appropriate. Your kind of reasoning could lead to penalties.

          As an aside, where do you get ‘The U.S. Supreme Court says that “income is profit and gain severed from capital”.’ ?

          1. Douglas Smith says

            Eisner v. Macomber for one of many. It is apparrent from your reply that you have not read the IRC. As far as tax attorney, accountant or tax software goes, why should I label myself a taxpayer when I am not. Three oR four years ago I had the same discussion with the IRS. They screamed at me and threatened me with criminal prosecution. I’m still here and they have my address and phone number. It’s contract law and I do not wish to co tract with the feds. Read your Constitutions, State and Federal. I will not respond to your comments for it is a waste of my time. If you can show me in the IRC where I must file a 1040 for my compensation for services then I will respond accordingly.

          2. Morton212 says

            I once had an interesting dinner with my tax attorney and asked him if there was any validity to those who claim the IRS is doing illegal things, and so on.
            He specializes in representing his clients in Tax Courts.
            His answer, unsurprisingly was that if you want to end up like Wesley Snipes then give it a shot. On the other hand, most of those that want to have a constitutional fight with the IRS are ignored m- because it is not an astute use of taxpayer time – to have a fight with someone from whom there is little to collect

          3. Douglas Smith says

            I argue the IRC AND JURISDICTION not the patriot bs that has landed many tax protesters in jail. You assume that I have no money. The arguement I had with the IRS was over thousands of dollars they claim was income. Have you found it in the code yet? Perhaps, you might ask your tax attorney who is bias for he/she is making millIons off you and others ignorant of who they are and where they are.

          4. Morton212 says

            The issue of Eisner v. Macomber was whether or not an issue of stock in lieu of a dividend payment was income. Your point is fatuous and nothing to do with the discussion.

  41. Gea says

    There are 11 our of 50 states in US, where the numbers of people living on government check is larger than the number of emplyed people in that state. The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money…and then we are all equally poor and miserable.

    Double talk uses words to obfuscate and deceive those who are not familiar with a topic. For example, Muslim terrorists of ISIS, AL-Qaeda, Hamas, Hetzbollah, Taliban, or Muslim Brotherhood of Barack Hussein Obama are now “militants”,”revolutionaries” and “freedom fighters”, “extremists”, rather than “jihadis”, “Islamists”, or “soldeirs for Allah.”

    This is the power of word in which taqiyya and kitman-Islamic principles of lyuing are emplyed to hide the truth which we need to defend Western civilization from barbarians of JIhad, that muzzzle those who speak the truth by accusations of “racism”, “bigotry” and “islamophobia” Barry Soetoro-aka Obama (or whatever other alias he used in his climb to power in US) is a grand master of both taqiyya and kitman which he learend when growing up as a Muslim boy in Indonesia from age 6-10 with his Muslim marxist stepfather Lolo Soetoro (1967-1971).

    1. Nastasyana says

      Those states are in the south where education is poor, no healthcare, there are no jobs for the except share-cropping and Walmart. Wealth obviously does not trickle down.

  42. Bob Stewart says

    Tell Bruenig to keep her personage out of my yard. People who contribute to America are welcome, personages are not. A flat tax (no deductions) would help. Even if we said that there was no tax to be paid on the first 15,000 dollars of income, regardless what a person made, at least everyone in America would be treated the same. Of course, I believe every American should pay, even if it’s only 5 dollars. You live here, contribute to America.

    1. Morton212 says

      A flat tax will always be arranged to raise at least as much tax revenue as a progressive tax. The ONLY reason it is being pushed, is to give even more relief to the top earners – which would necessitate more tax revenue from the middle class income earner.
      Oh – it would NOT lead to a smaller number of IRS employees – most of the tax calculation is checked by computer programs as it is.

  43. b.badenoff says

    Makes sense, I mean how many names have they given food stamps?!!!

  44. WatrGrrl says

    Gee, let’s ask Democrats “what does it matter?” They’re the party of welfare recipients who don’t pay taxes and a number of which receive a LOT of additional money in the form of additional ‘Obamabux.’

  45. markypolo says

    People that don’t work should NOT be allowed to VOTE! That is the very reason we have Morons occupying the White House.

  46. jaybird says

    They don’t want anything in there that “might” make them feel guilty or emind them that there are “real” people that are struggling to pay taxes that they do what they want to with.

  47. Lorraine E says

    Amazing how quickly our freedom of speech is being destroyed in order to avoid the truth. Perhaps the liberals and

  48. David says

    How about this as a beginning solution to this problem. If you are on government assistance (welfare and the like) they you can’t vote until you get off government assistance. If handing out money was no longer a way to buy votes but was in fact a way to cause voters to vote against you, congress would stop doing it. There would be exceptions for those who are truly disabled and those receive SS after paying into the system for years before retirement.

  49. real talk 1 says

    I’m convinced that the democrats are not just crazy they are trying to play on their base ignorance and make them believe all their doing is for them. When in reality it’s any thing but just look at the way Hillary Clinton has refuse to answer questions about her actions when secretary of state now we come to find out her brother is involved with shady enterprise as well , And yet the women in this country are dead set on electing her things in this country is getting worse by the day the blacks vote for Obama even if it means destroying America the white female will vote for Hillary because at any cost they want a female president even if it destroys America the ironic thing about all this is neither one have no were else to go once this country is gone in conclusion all democrats are crazy !!

  50. Bill Wilson says

    They don’t like “taxpayer”? Then do away with taxes and no on will be a ‘taxpayer’.

  51. Nastasyana says

    “But when we’re talking about taxes and federal expenditures, I don’t think there’s any harm in drawing a distinction between the givers and the takers.”
    What about subsidies for farmers and home owners and businesses? We are all takers. However, the amount that corporations take compared to the working poor or the indigent is far more.

  52. Dave Williams says

    Well, given the current state of affairs, I’m perfectly comfortable replacing “taxpayer” with “peon,” “serf,” “the oppressed,” “hoi polloi,” “the lower orders,” “the little people,” or the like.
    2017 can’t come soon enough.

  53. Jacky says

    I’ll quit using the term, taxpayer, the day that I no longer have to pay taxes.

  54. Lily Haley says

    Not taxpayers? Just sheep to be sheared.

  55. 4USA2 says

    Tax payers = “fair share givers”. And those getting your “fair share” want more. They are “fair share” recipients. Most recipients of entitlements honestly don’t acknowledge that tax payers are the ones bleeding to death so they can get the free hand outs; unfortunately many of those people actually think “the Government/aka Obama, is paying for their food, rent, phones, etc….. they have no understanding of where the Government money comes from. There are plenty of videos floating around on the internet where people living on entitlements have literally told reporters that “Obama is paying my rent” and they believe that to be true. They also believe “free Medicaid” health care is paid for by the Government. Yes, in essence that is true but how absolutely ridiculous that anyone would not have a clue where the Government money comes from.

  56. freeper says

    How about “suckers?”

  57. Timothy Bunn says

    The truth knows no bigoted policy however one wants to escape. Word wizards are frolicking with these seductions. Some of us have been around for a long time, and will hold these truths to be self evident.

  58. BlackBeaver says

    Where is it written that those of any one political viewpoint get to define the language for everyone?

    A hundred years ago, they called themselves “Progressives” . That was fine until two leaders they embraced as fellow “Progressives”, Mussolini and Hitler, began a war of conquest marked by terrible brutality. To distance themselves, they co-opted the name “Liberal” from those who they now began calling “Conservatives”.

    But wait: that wasn’t the end. Now some of their own, notably Ms. Hillary Clinton, insist they are really “Progressives”.

    And, to add to the confusion, Mr. Obama’s Administration has begun calling “Undocumented Immigrants” (previously “Illegal Immigrants”, before that “Illegal Aliens”) “Americans in Waiting!

    Now, just when many thought it couldn’t get any more absurd, comes this….

  59. Reniam says

    Strange. Calling someone a taxpayer identifies them as a contributing member of the republic – this is a good thing. Ultimately, what holds the government accountable to its citizens is the economic bond between the two. All government representatives (and citizens) should remain cognizant that government action is funded by the people.

    Words matter. I’ll continue to use the term taxpayer.

  60. mike slaney says

    How about, “Extortion-Provider”!

  61. Jim says

    Okay, I’ll stop referring to myself as a “taxpayer”. Instead, I’ll use “Victim of Extortion”, “Ripped-off worker”, or “Sucker Who is Supporting a Parasitic Regime”.

  62. MichaelZZ says

    INCOME TAXES, what are they all about?

    A few TRUISMS (promulgated by “talking heads” and many politicians):

    1.
    Increasing tax rates would inhibit people from working, since they would keep less per dollar earned.

    2.
    Tax cuts and tax credits for small businesses would be stimulative to our economics.

    3.
    Tax increases would inhibit businesses from making capital investments.

    4.
    During a recession, no income taxes should be increased, including on the very wealthy.

    5.
    “Death” taxes are unfair and inappropriate, because income taxes have already been assessed.

    6.
    The rich pay most of the income taxes.

    Discussions regarding these “truisms”:

    1.
    Increasing tax rates on individuals would have the opposite effect, i.e., to maintain one’s standard of
    living one would have to work more. If one’s take-home is reduced, he or she will have to work longer hours, seek another job, ask for a raise, take a second job, cut standard of living
    (negative for the economy), et cetera.
    If one’s take-home pay is increased, due to a tax reduction, some may decide to work less, e.g., spend more time with family.

    2.
    Tax cuts and tax credits for small businesses would only increase the bottom lines of those businesses, i.e., it would not create additional demand for products and services. Job #1 for any business is to create or find additional demand for its goods and services.

    3.
    Capital investment decisions are based upon projected “pre-tax” income, i.e., the tax rate is a negligible
    factor. The ‘test’ to determine if an investment should be made depends upon the projected return on that investment, e.g., if the ROI were insufficient, an income tax rate of zero would not stimulate one to make such an investment.

    4.
    Obviously, not all income tax increases or decreases are the same. An
    income tax increase on bottom 90% of the populace would have an adverse effect
    upon macro demand, thus would be damaging to our economics, whereas decreasing
    income taxes on that demographic would have a positive effect upon our economics. An income tax increase or decrease on the extremely wealthy (top 0.1%) would have a negligible effect
    upon our economics, thus should be only used for equity (fairness…., that ship
    has sailed, long ago) purposes. Therefore, based upon these assumptions, income taxes should be raised on the “wealthy” and recycled to the 90%, which would stimulate our economics and would be
    beneficial to the “wealthy”, insofar as earnings from management and capital
    would be benefited. During the past 30 years (since John Hinckley), the reverse has occurred, i.e., there have been massive transfers of wealth from the middleclass to the extremely (top 0.1%)
    wealthy, which has reduced the capitalistic energies of the middleclass, and has been a critical factor that has contributed to our current economics.

    5.
    The “Death” tax AKA estate tax is a revenue source and if that source were reduced, all other phenomena being equal, income taxes would have to be increased. Furthermore, the
    estate tax is assessed upon wealth, which includes assets that have increased in value and that incremental value has never been taxed.

    6.
    All income taxes, all costs of production of goods and services are paid at the point of purchase. Further, social security and Medicare taxes are income taxes, i.e., they are taxes on income. Congress has legislated a massive shift of wealth from the middle-class to the top 0.1% based upon tax legislation during the past 30 years.

    The above is food for thought.

    I will appreciate responses, thereto.

    Bon appetite……..…

    MZ

    mikiesmoky@aol.com

    Original: 09/12/10

    Previous revision: 12/05/10

    Last revision: 04/22/11

  63. bobclaville says

    Calling Americans who depend on OTHER PEOPLE to take care of them for life..DO NOT deserve to be called Taxpayers since….THEY DON’T, AND WON’T PAY TAXES for money that ISN’T THEIRS!

  64. Michael Skaggs says

    I agree. How about “Highway Robbery Victim”?

  65. MrsTJNic@aol.com says

    Welfare recipients ought to be required to take birth control shots, before receiving welfare, to nip it in the bud. I’m tired of supporting 3rd generation couch potatoes! And yes I’ve met a PREACHER’S DAUGHTER, who told me she was “GOING TO GET PREGNANT, with 6 KIDS, ON PURPOSE, TO COLLECT MORE WELFARE! While her hubby is in & out of JAIL, for Heroin addiction!”

  66. Paul Pray says

    Your only slaves to the Tax system if you want. You can walk into your HR department, claim 13 exemptions or just claim ExEMPT on a W4 FORM, and state form.
    Your taxes which come out of your check is close to nothing. And refuse to pay taxes on the 15th.of april….i
    We have to force the GOVT to understand we are sick of these transgressions without recourse or Taxations without Representation????? HOW DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR??? SOMETHING AROUNT 1776????

  67. barry sharp says

    I am a tax payer and those running the government are thieves. If the liberals don’t like the term “taxpayer” then they should get out of the government. Money does not grow on trees and the government does nothing to earn money, it is the workers, taxpayers, that support the government.

  68. pysco says

    Then call us VICTIMS of the robbers, and extortionists in government and the IRS…………………

  69. JIMBO says

    I never heard of this idiot. Who is paying her wages. Is that all she has to do is come up with stupid ideas that will continue to support the no does. I am sure she is good little liberal.

  70. tinkerunique says

    Instead of the Majority of Americans actually being tax payers, should we be called ” servitude financed”

    1. 4Bill_O_Rights says

      No that still has a negative connotation. I think she is looking for something to make us all feel good and warm inside. Maybe something like the “chip’er in’ers” or the “happy contributors”?

      A rose by any other name is still a rose, and a cow pie is still …. 🙂

  71. Alleged Comment says

    You do not even need to pay taxes as someone said they print what they need and I believe it is true and that taxes are a form of MIND CONTROL and nothing to do with budgets, deficits, etc., since every year we get more and more into debt beyond what taxes can ever pay back.

    The problem is they run a printing press, OK? It is backed by nothing! And run when the debt gets theoretically paid back for more free money.

    1. pattonknew says

      i agree with you accept to control the money internally rather than externally they have to control the people.
      i mean i guess they just wanna disarm us and take our rights, resources for no reason.

      1. 4Bill_O_Rights says

        Oh don’t think for a moment that they don’t have a reason. They have a reason. It’s because they are smarter than us and know better than we what is best for us. /sarc off

  72. pattonknew says

    liberalism is the manipulation of public discourse based on the selective production of ignorance
    in short its not that our liberal/progressive opposition are complete f,n liars and eternal hypocrites- it’s just that they honestly know so much that isnt true.
    the complete opposite of control is more freedom and while we talk about welfare – limiting life is control and guaranteeing it is more freedom….when life doesnt matter then rights become less meaningful as well, desperate (apathetic) etc..due process,privacy,self defense, voting and so on.
    conservatives most of time want to battle based on morality and/or emotion without understanding the principles of freedom ; eliminating the intellect and critical thought necessary to defend the constitution that protects our rights – as we see that every nation on the planet that has based its defense of liberty and democracy on moral/ emotional grounds has ended the exact same way through out history…stuck under a dictatorship with state sponsored religion as long as they didnt oppose torture, apathy and communism.
    we keep explaining this stuff so that no can say that the truth was not available to you.
    the federal government does nothing as well economically as the private sector and in order to control the money- they “must control the people.”
    the point of this programming is so that we all understand the point in combining in a third party is the intellect necessary to defend the constitution with the base to facilitate the exponential growth of resources,economics and votes by learning to accept a greater personal responsibility as a result of a greater personal freedom in our choices, wether we agree with them or not ……ahead of time
    rand paul 2016

  73. pattonknew says

    one more thing….these articles are a selective discourse of political ignorance.
    “listen”
    battling can get stressful so remember laughter is ” literally” the best medicine…dont forget to take the time laugh, watch comedy central once in a while or jokes on you tube.
    peace

  74. Patricia Taylor says

    I think so. If it bothers them then they need to find a solution which wouldn’t bother them. If that was only problem I had then I would have any problems.

  75. adrianvance says

    Yes and they do not want us to call Social Security a Ponzi Scheme either.

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” for clarity.

    1. J_R_K says

      I don’t need to look it up, I know it’s a Ponzi Scheme. But, after having been forced to pay into it for 46 years, AND after having paid an estimated extra 45,000 dollars for being married for 25 years instead of shacking up (marriage penalty tax) I feel like I really am entitled to the social security check. Not the way liberals see “entitlement” though. The way a taxpayer who never had a choice sees it… a “promise” that I am entitled to see the federal government keep. Of course, I know that the federal government is much better at taking than at giving, much better at wasting money than paying debts, but I’ll cash the social security checks as long as they keep coming. If I were a millionaire, I’d still cash the social security checks just to derive some personal satisfaction at holding the Ponzi Schemers accountable.

  76. teachersaide says

    YOU bet the Liberals don’t want the term taxpayers used! THEIR “clientele” are typically in the “Receiving subsidies group”, than in the “work hard and pay taxes group”!

  77. Amerikztan says

    HELL No !
    ~Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)

  78. Porphyry says

    Here’s an excuse to deploy “taxpayer” even more often!

    1. J_R_K says

      If the liberals all get on board and make a real attempt to ban the word “taxpayer”.. seems to me there is a fortune to be made in bumper stickers, tee-shirts and yard signs with just one word on them ….”TAXPAYER”

  79. hangem'high says

    If it keeps going this way soon the only language we’ll be able to speak will be French, or Spanish?
    Let’s hope liberals can change the climate with all that money their making by stealing it from us?
    What’s the difference between a congressmen and a thief?
    The thief usually doesn’t get to keep what he steals, while the government keeps getting raises!

  80. Kent2012 says

    they are correct, the Real American Taxpayer should be correctly described in the future as the “Continually raped, hard working, sensible American that respects the Constitution”….

  81. Ira Radnick says

    “Enslaved Taxpayer” seems quite appropriate. Every time we pay our quarterly estimated taxes (self employed) we end up writing checks to the fed and NY state that total 6 figures. It really gripes my soul knowing the funds are then used to leverage even further borrowing to cover the expenses of a system so far in debt that nothing short of an outright war will let us shed this monkey on our collective backs. And, to add injury to insult, the borrowed and extorted funds are used in large part to sustain our welfare state on behalf of the under-burdened excuses for citizens who choose not to work because they are doing just fine with their welfare dollars. I more than angers me. I can’t wait to see the democratic party lose even more (non)representatives in legislative and executive branches of government.

  82. john robel says

    WHAT?? ” Bruenig is surely correct that we do not – and should not – have an absolute say over how our individual taxes are used down to the penny. THIS IS THE PROBLEM, we ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE complete control of how our tax dollars are spent. The damned politicians are elected under one pretense and operate on another. ITS OUR MONEY, NOT THEIRS.

  83. WhiteFalcon says

    This is totally off topic and I apologize for that, but for those of you that are keeping up with the plane crash in the French Alps, I just read that the co-pilot that flew that plane into the ground was a muslim convert. Anyone surprised that he was a muslim? I know that many of you suspected it just as I did. http://www.conservativehq.com is the link if you want to read it for yourselves.

    1. J_R_K says

      Well, he was a pilot and he was in the plane legally and officially. I’m sure our president would classify this as just another example of “work place violence”… and would probably have some pontificating explanation for why conservatives are responsible for it.

      1. WhiteFalcon says

        You are no doubt correct. I haven’t seen anything about that on any other blog, so there may be some room for doubt but it does follow a pattern.

  84. The Old Chip says

    The Internal Robbery
    Service, or is it the Internal Revenge Service, has actually stolen $4.2
    BILLION of our taxpayer dollars and given it to honest, hardworking ILLEGAL
    aliens through tax fraud. EITC for children that LIVE IN MEXICO (against IRS
    policy) or that probably don’t even exist. Once again, this is not some SNAFU from low level IRS agents
    as they would have us believe; the DOJ; Holder, who obummer has the utmost
    confidence in, like all the rest of his crooks and miscreants, is aware of this
    ongoing fraud.

    This is collusion by activist scum tax preparers that advise the ILLEGALs to do
    this as the IRS claims they don’t have enough people to investigate the fraud. BUT the IRS has hired 16,500 new agents to go
    after citizens that don’t comply with the obamanation of obamacare.

    IRS refunds $46,378,040 to 23,994 ILLEGALs AT JUST ONE STREET ADDRESS (June 22,
    2013).

    IRS also assigned 15,796 taxpayer IDS to ‘unauthorized aliens’ at again, JUST
    ONE STREET ADDRESS. Ah, those must be the honest hardworking ILLEGALs that
    corrupt “O” crats want to legalize. (And put in line in front of Millions of
    unemployed citizens?)

    The corrupt “O” crats have pulled these Trojan horses into the country with the
    inevitable result of rape pillage and plunder, while forcing the taxpayer to
    pay for it through the gestapo arm of the obummer regime known as the; IRS,
    NSA, DOJ and DHS.

    1. J_R_K says

      Amen.

  85. Richie 129 says

    we have always been slaves to those we empower we work for them they crack the whip we suck it up and ask them for more of the same we have never learned how to reverse the power back to the people who enable them to have a life of luxury the joke is on us we live paycheck to paycheck and they just can’t stop themselves from wanting more of our money we must stop them what is our lives worth if we let them get away with what they are doing … yes you can say we have become slaves to big government and they are all loving every minute of their power because they no they now have us under their control they win we lose stand up and get these greedy hypocrites out of our lives once and for all we have no life if we must live as they want us to

  86. J_R_K says

    ” Liberals want us to believe that the bum is as good as the entrepreneur. That the welfare queen is as valuable to America as the businessman. That may be true in the eyes of God, but it isn’t true in the eyes of the economy.”

    I think that even God would tell you that to whom much is given, much will be required The problem is, liberals think hard working people who achieve success only do it because success was handed to them …”You didn’t built that yourself”. At the same time, liberals think those who suck off everybody else are automatically victims to whom nothing is given. That’s their justification for taking from the hard working and giving to the teat suckers.

    I think the Lord would also tell you that if any shall not work, neither should he eat. Note: It did not say “if any CAN NOT work”. It says plainly”If any WILL NOT work.” Yes, there should be a safety net. But those who are disposed to live in a hammock should be allowed to just go ahead and starve to death. Of course the “bleeding heart” liberals deny any reality at all to this idea. That’s what makes them tick, Injustice is the very heart and soul of socialist liberalism. But they prance in front of cameras and tout themselves as champions of “justice” when the truth is, they’re all just a bunch of money and power grabbing pied pipers bent on destroying freedom for personal and political gain. Today’s American liberals are the scum of our civilization and if it seems they’re rising to the top, that is only because scum floats.

  87. Joe T says

    Without inane rhetoric as liberals post…………….OBAMA is a human being…doomed to Hell…for cause.

  88. Joe T says

    Without inane rhetoric as liberals post…………….OBAMA is a human being…doomed to Hell…for cause.

  89. suzyshopper says

    U know what really bugs me about the govt, before u get your paycheck they take their cut, they didn’t work for it, so why do they get first dibs on your money?I watch my husband work alittle overtime just too have the govt take it, so what was the point of him, wasting his time, doing the overtime?My father In law died, he left us money, the govt took 1000s of it, what right do they have to take something, that they had no hand in producing?They take from the taxpayers, advertize how illegals can cross over the border, and then collect taxpayer funded benefits,and we have no friggin say so about it .Both parties in Wa shington, seem to have no concern for the taxpayers, just the deadbeats of society.!!

  90. adrianvance says

    Liberals always think that changing the name will make the problem go away. Sorry, it does not work that way.

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” for clarity.

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