Republicans Promise “Universal Access” Will Replace Obamacare


According to an anonymous aide to House Republicans, the current repeal/replacement plan for Obamacare will ensure that all Americans have the chance to purchase health insurance at affordable rates. The aide, who spoke to journalists this week, said that Republicans were determined to keep the playing field level without necessarily turning the federal government into a de facto health insurance provider.

“Our goal here is to make sure that everybody can buy coverage or find coverage if they choose to,” the aide said at a health care briefing put together by House Republican leaders.

Republicans are eager to get control of the Obamacare narrative, and they need to do it quickly. With Trump ascending to the White House, the ball is in the GOP’s court. But even though they should be playing offense, they are still giving Democrats the lead when it comes to public relations. And so millions of Americans are being told, day in and day out, that they are about to lose their health insurance. Thanks to the Republicans, the sick and poor will be dying in the gutters.

“There’s a lot of scare tactics out there on this,” said Rep. Kevin Brady. “We can reassure the American public that the plan they are in right now, the Obamacare plans, will not end on Jan. 20.”

But see, this is still a defensive statement. Republicans are in a position where they are forced to defend their stance on Obamacare, as though it’s a fact that repealing the law will lead to a nation in chaos. This is what happens when you don’t have leaders willing to stand on principle. This is what happens when you have a media that refuses to tell the truth about this disastrous, job-killing, freedom-destroying law. This is what happens when no Republican has the guts to say, “Look, the ACA is dead whether we repeal it or not. We might as well get out in front of it.” Because that’s the truth.

On that, House Speaker Paul Ryan actually deserves some credit. Ryan is one of the only top Republicans willing to call it like it is when it comes to Obamacare’s death spiral.

“Insurance markets are collapsing,” Ryan said this week. “Premiums are soaring. Patients’ choices are dwindling.”

According to the anonymous House aide, the goal was not to make sure every American was insured. Instead, the goal was to make sure everyone had equal opportunity.

“We would like to get to a point where we have what we call universal access, where everybody is able to access coverage to some degree or another,” the aide said. “Over the past six years, if you look at the experience we’ve had with the A.C.A. rollout, chasing coverage doesn’t necessarily yield great outcomes. You can have people going into an exchange, finding out that their pediatrician is no longer available to them.”

A successful repeal and replacement is possible. But first, Republicans need to sell the American people on a plan that’s better, stronger, and more sustainable than Obama’s. It really shouldn’t be that hard to do.

  1. jgfsmf says

    People are going to lose their insurance without this change. How many providers are actually left? Three? If that. People need to quit listening to the liberals.

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      1. MAHB001 says

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    2. MAHB001 says

      I hope the Republicans don’t promise too much here.

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        1. Ronnie says

          Go screw yourself!

        2. MAHB001 says

          Flagged you scum puppet. Moderator please remove this post.

          1. Mathew Molk says

            i did it too.

      2. SouthernPatriot says

        Absolutely. They could paint themselves into a corner which puts us back in a similar situation again. I don’t even think they can come up with anything as bad as ACA, but I sure hope they enlist the help of various physicians who are now Senators and House members who say they have had alternative plans for years now.

        1. Sharr Lee says

          The ACA WAS THE GOP PLAN and then because it was Obama they wouldn’t back it…don’t trust them

          1. Deborah G says

            That is more BS from the ;left. They did have a universal plan but this bastardization of a plan is NOTHING like it. First of all it is Socialized medicine and big government is NOT republican. Next no one was going to be FORCED nor was the IRS as the goalkeeper ever in the picture.Just a few things like not denying over previous conditions.

          2. MAHB001 says

            Thank you for the clarifying post.

          3. Bobby Harris says

            You couldn’t be more wrong, the only way the plan could be sustained was everyone had to participate so that the young and healthy would offset the cost of the old and unhealthy. What happen to their universal plan if it was so great and why aren’t we hearing now that it will replace Obama Care rather than what we are hearing? A sane person would think ok they have this well thought out plan that’s superior to ObamaCare, it’s a no brainer, repeal ObamaCare and replace it with this plan. But no they keep us in suspense as to what they will replace it with. Do you really believe they have a plan?

          4. Deborah G says

            Yes I do. They have several plans ALL were shot down by Harry Reid refusing not only to have any input but Gruberizing the entire process.I don’t trust Democrats at all never have never will. It is ALWAYS some scam or another to line their pockets while the people suffer. At least with Trump or Any OF THE BiLLIONAIRES THEY ACTUALLY OWNED BUSINESSES AND SUCCEEDED. i’D RATHER HAVE SUCCESS THAN FAILURE

          5. Bobby Harris says

            If they have several plans, why don’t the tell us about them and why are they going to wait to an undetermine time to implement them. Republicans are all over the map when it comes to health care, they don’t have a plan. Don’t be suprised if Trump keeps most of Obamacare including the subsidies.

          6. Deborah G says

            I don’t necessarily think so. I think with the cabinet posts being worked on and the electoral vote not done they want to make sure whatever they roll out is going to actually work FINANCIALLY. The insurance companies will have to revise all policies to comply with all state laws. in order to sell across state lines. It will be a bit I believe. I do agree that they should keep us posted but perhaps after the inaugeration

          7. Merle Dickey says

            They are going to keep the preexisting conditions and the covered for your child to 26 . That was in the original Republican plan that Reid throw out except for those two conditions !!!

          8. Bobby Harris says

            What original republican plan ? Romney’s plan for Mass was the brainchild of the Heritage foundation and the model for Obamacare if you google a comparison for Obamacare and Romney’s healthcare law you would be surprised at the similarities and how wrong you are.

          9. MAHB001 says

            Bobby, the liberal progressives that rammed 0bamacare down our throats, gave the people no choice, AND they lied about the benefits. They also created a FALSE narrative that we had NO OTHER CHOICES, while completely suppressing all other voices on the matter with their super majority.

            When 0bamacare was crammed down our throats we were told that we had no other choices, but doing NOTHING would have been better than doing 0bamacare. We had another choice, and that was to do NOTHING.

            Our Big Government is squashing capitalism with regulations and laws. Give capitalism a chance to make us great again.

          10. Bobby Harris says

            The purpose of the ACA was to provide a means for people who were not insured through their job, unable to afford insurance on the open market, unable to obtain insurance because of a pre exisiting condition etc. The law says you must have insurance, it doesn’t say that you have to participate in Obamacare to obtain insurance. If you got your insurance through an exchange rather than on the open market that was your choice

          11. MAHB001 says

            Bobby, that was a lie, the purpose of the ACA was not to provide uninsured insurance. That was just a selling point of ACA.

            The ACA was designed to FAIL, as it is right now. And when it FAILED it was to be replaced with socialized medicine.

            You might ask, Why do our Elite Politicians want socialized medicine? Because it is the golden ring prize…

            ‘Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialized State.’

            And WHY do our elite Politicians want a socialized state?

            “The goal of socialism is communism.”

            I have got to ask you. Do you really want to live under Communism?

          12. Bobby Harris says


          13. MAHB001 says

            OK? You want to live under communism?

          14. Bobby Harris says

            I have no ideal what you are talking about.

          15. MAHB001 says

            So you didn’t read my post?

          16. Kol says

            Hey, don’t forget! Check behind the curtains and look under the bed before you go to sleep tnight!! There probably are 3 or 4 “communists” hiding in your bedroom somewhere looking to “get you”!!!! LOL! Look in the closet too — just to be safe — after all, you never know!!!

          17. MAHB001 says

            You silly Kol… Stupid silly.

          18. Kol says

            I’m silly?!? LOL! Well, hey, you really better check like I said. Just to be sure you’re safe! After all, according to YOU communists are all over the place and taking over the U.S. and the whole world! You keep telling us that! And as loud as your opposition to them is, they’re surely watching YOU and will be looking for YOU. You’re the one who keeps telling all of us how they’re everywhere and involved in everything! All of a sudden you don’t remember!?!!

            Of course, one really big question is how will they be in control of everything since you also keep insisting them there Muslims are trying to take over the whole world and be in control of everything!?!! Communists and Muslims can’t both be in control.. their ideologies are exact opposites! ?Sounds like you need to make up your mind which one’s going to conntrol it all — it can’t be both! So give it some thought and let us know what you decide, eh?’ Who’s it going to be — commies or mooselims???

          19. Kol says

            I’m silly? Gee, and I don’t even see communists lurking everywhere!!
            Imagine that! LOL!

          20. Kol says

            Trump’s broken promise is a death sentence to thousands of his voters


          21. Kol says

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          22. MAHB001 says

            Why because Communism has been around for a long time…. Stay diligent people, or history will repeat itself.

            The first step is to recognize you have a problem.
            America has a problem….
            Elite Democrats = Elite Republicans = Elite MEDIA = Liberal Progressive Communists.

          23. Deborah G says

            FYI? This is my field. The Dems destroyed healthcare with their giveaways with low participation.No one wants this crap. What family that actually pays taxes can afford to pay for another one getting it ALL free when a lot of them aren’t even citizens? AID to Dependent Children i.e unaccompanied border bolters,kindly Somali & Muslim “refugees” and Drug dealers sucking off their welfare women.

          24. Bobby Harris says

            Over 20 million people have signed up for health care, so you are wrong in that statement. People that signup for healthcare pay a portion of the premiums and those people include people who work jobs and pay taxes, self employed people who pay taxes. You stated in an earlier post that the republicans had this great plan and I say if that’s the case bring it on, repeal Obamacare, implement this grand plan ASAP. Why wait for four years.

          25. Deborah G says

            20 million is a drop in the bucked with a big percentage being high risk

          26. MAHB001 says

            Don’t you have to subtract out the 5 million that lost their insurance first?

          27. Deborah G says

            Not really I don’t have to do anything because it is all manipulated numbers not reality

          28. MAHB001 says

            Good point…

          29. Fedup says

            The biggest problem is that peopme are FORCED to purchase a plan. And its not so much jyst buying a plan as it is buying one with such things as maternity coverage. Do you need maternity coverage? For yourself?

          30. Mathew Molk says

            What dose the number of people have to do with Debbie’s post? She never said nobody working and paying tax is uninsured. Go back and read hers again and you will see how inane yours is. You missed what she had to say completely.

          31. Bobby Harris says

            If you go back and read mine you will see how inane yours is. She said “no one wants this crap, ” my reply “20 million people signed up for it, ” implying that someone wanted it. I don’t know what you are trying to say with “she never said nobody working and paying taxes is uninsured ” however my comment about working people that pay taxes also use ObamaCare were in response to her comment that seem to imply that only illegals and lazy people or drug dealers benefited from ObamaCare. Hopefully, this clears it up for you

          32. Kol says

            Trump’s broken promise is a death sentence to thousands of his voters


            Trump’s broken promise is a death sentence to thousands of his voters


          33. Mathew Molk says

            You sound like my wife, the documentation Nurse….According to her No Body in any part of the healthcare industry thought obamacare was anything but a recipe for disaster.
            (and they were all correcamundo)

          34. Deborah G says

            She has a tough job. I evolved from practice to a totally different business and now being enlisted into administration. Not sure I want to until I see the plans

          35. Fedup says

            Yes. I have read both plans offered by Paul Ryan and Tom Price. I work in the Medicaid Provider Enrollment Unit and we were sent copies of both plans. Trump asked all governors to report back on ways cost could be cut without adverse effects to quality of care and after reading both plans, every unit came up with ways to save money without adverse effects to access to care and quality of care under both plans. Our fiscal agent, HPE, also came up with changes they could make in regards to the day to day management under both plans. Our unit only enrolls and terminates the providers themselves so we didn’t come up with anything major but I would love to read what those who work in the welfare offices and the claims units came up with. There are the 2 plans that we were made aware of. I’m sure if you google both of them you will be able to read up on them yourself.

          36. David in MA says

            Read the U.N. Agenda 21

          37. Deborah G says

            I have read it but we are talking Democrats. They are dishonest and they will bastardize the most innocuous agreement non binding or not, the UN is a Socialist/ Communist leaning disaster. they will use it just like they do the Constitution to manipulate their OWN agenda. With SAUL ALINSKY Community Agitator PRESIDENT for the next month WHO VOWED TO CONTIUNUE WITH HIS PLAN AFTER HE LEAVES “office” HE TRULY BELIEVES HE CAN retain his place AND WILL NOT ABDICATE THE THRONE. Do NOT be fooled. Soros and the NWO is always looking for ways to infiltrate & usurp

          38. David in MA says

            We are on the same page.
            Ever read the communist manifesto?
            The democrats are hard at work promoting the exact things in the communist manifesto with agenda 21 and the “liberals”/democrats (mostly the millennials)believe it. America has to become more educated on these things AND the backgrounds of those we elect.

          39. Deborah G says

            I had a great education and yes I read it back in High School. Comparative History. I also came from a family that really valued education and reading everything. At a very young age We all read together at night and discussed. My Dad always had a book somewhere on his person LOL. I will say I think I came out of the womb a conservative. I credit it to John Wayne being my hero LOL. I’m old now he’s still my hero

          40. Kol says

            Your OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) with “communism” looks pretty weird! Cold war mentality is really out-of-date. Russians got over it right away 2-1/2 decades ago when they dismantled the Soviet Union and founded a Democracy called the Russian Federation. Why don’t you try to “get real” yourself??

          41. MAHB001 says

            Elite Democrats = Elite Republicans = Elite MEDIA = Communists.

            Don’t trust any of them.

          42. Sol_of_Texas says

            I am not sure they are communists, but they are authoritarian and totalitarian without a doubt.

          43. MAHB001 says

            The way I look at it, “What difference does it make?”

            If you can not define your enemy, you will not defeat it.

            Big Government is a form of Communism. Crony Capitalism is a form of Communism…

            You are correct, an authoritarian and totalitarian form of Government is also not a good thing, and in my mind a necessary part of a Communist Government.

          44. Sol_of_Texas says

            I think despite diction and any rigid semantics implied. we are in violent agreement! 😉 Merry Xmas and Happy Holidays.

          45. Kol says

            Why do you blither like a total idiot about “Communism” all the time??
            You really are ridiculous!!! LOL! Hee hee haw again, jackass!

          46. MAHB001 says

            I talk about Communism all the time because if we don’t this will come true…

            “We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism, until they suddenly awake to find they have communism.”
            —-Nikita Khrushchev

            Perhaps Americans will realize that they are being fed small doses of socialism for a reason… And that reason is:

            “The goal of socialism is communism.”

            So you communist continue to deny, deny, and deny, but the fact is, America will NEVER knowingly accept communism, but when fed small doses of socialism, some day they may wake up living in communism…

            Troll. you are an evil jackass.

          47. Kol says

            True, indeed!!!… you DO babble and blither like a complete usuir all the time about “communists,” “communiuam” “commies,” “Lenin,” :Marxists,” “Stalin,” et cetera, et cetera ALL THE TIME.
            It’s hilarious just to watch the way you make such a totally ricidulosis fool of yourself…. CONSTANTLY! Speaking of an “evil jackass.”… look at YOURSELF. Yuk!! LOL!

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          48. MAHB001 says

            What is sad is your denials.

          49. Kol says

            Unlike you, I have no personal “reality” of my own,… I live in the REAL world. And I have no OCD re: “communism:!! LOLOL!!!
            Hee haw some more, jackass.

          50. MAHB001 says

            Unlike you, I fight for the truth and capitalism..

            Unlike you, I am not posting desperate nonsense.

            Unlike you, I look for common ground among people, you seek to divide.
            Unlike you, I protect the weak, not take advantage of them.

            We really have nothing in common.

          51. Kol says

            Thanks for more laughs!! LOL!

            Q. Have you ever seen a jackass wrapped in plastic?

            A. Show me your license

          52. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Really? Is that what you call what you’re doing? What common ground have you sought among people, because contrary to your comment, it sure looks like you are also seeking to divide? You certainly don’t appear like you protect anything, let alone the weak, but are taking advantage of their weaknesses, or perceived weakness.

          53. MAHB001 says

            I no longer seek common ground with Kol and AKLady. They are unable to accept anything that goes against their ideology (read religion).

            I am a conservative, posting on a conservative site. They are liberal progressive Alinsky radicals and have been posting on these sites for YEARS now. They post to divide, and disrupt.

            If you want to talk about some of my comments, and have something other than insults to debunk them. Post them.

          54. Kol says

            Republicans have no Clue what Socialism and Communism means


            Mar 8, 2009 – In fact, no Democrats are Socialists or Communists (at least none that …. Do you think Republicans have any clue regarding the meaning of …

          55. MAHB001 says

            More dailykow lies… why?

            Again, these lies are desperate attempts by you to cover your intentions.

            Americans will never willingly accept communism…. But if your lies can cover your tracks long enough we might just accept enough socialism, only to wake up a communist state….

            We still have our guns. And you Communists have weak and feckless leaders like 0bama. Now there is something to laugh about.

          56. Kol says

            MAHB001 comes back from school crying and says, “Mommy, all the kids in the school say I have a big head.”

            His mother replies, “No, you don’t, Mhb001. You have a hideously deformed head. The other children are merely hiding the truth to protect your feelings.”

          57. David in MA says

            and, then you believe he is then given a participation award, a coloring book and some play do and told to go to his quiet place and cry………. Kol, your a fool.

          58. Kol says

            You look like another really bright one — don’t even know the difference between “your” and “you’re” and don’t use them correctly.
            LOL! And you say “play do” when you meant “play dough{“!!! Yep, another right wing extremist “bright” one… LOLOL!

          59. Kol says

            LOL! More “communism / communist:” Obsessive Compulsive Disorder???

            You’re funnnnnnnnnyt!!!!! Hee hee!

          60. Kol says

            I;m not into right wing extremist “news”… you know, nonsense on Fox News, Breitbart, WND, etc. LOL!

          61. MAHB001 says

            We know you can not accept any realities that go against your ideology. Leaving you unable to function in a world that has both good and bad news for the left.

            So what else is new?

          62. Kol says

            Sounds like you are talking about yourself. That’s what I think every time I see you post. Typical right wing extremist with your own WEIRD personal “reality.” Even sounds sort of “communist” when you think/act like that… LOL!

          63. Dr. Mike Reeder says

            No, there are MANY of us who share his view. The reality is that you lost the election so, man up and do the right thing. Make something of yourself and this country!

          64. Kol says

            Hmmmm!…. you are another one who obsesses over “communists / communism”???? You’re another anti-Muslim bigot/hatemonger?

          65. Kol says

            I have no problem at all with REALITY. i just don’t accept your personal “reality” which is amazingly far-fetched. That seems to be a big problem for YOU and it bothers you a lot! LOL! I unction quite well in the REAL world myself. You should land your flying saucer on it and pay us a visit someday and look around and learn something.

          66. Dr. Mike Reeder says

            Compared to the founders of this country you sir, are a far left loyalist! We won this country at the muzzle of a long rifle and many died. Do not marginalize their sacrifice.

          67. David in MA says

            Google this: Democratic Socialists in Congress

          68. Kol says

            As I’ve said many times. i’m American. I was born here. I have extended family in Russia and I’ve lived there at times. Today Russia is a socialist democracy. I’ve seen socialism and how it works there. In Russia, EVERY citizen is provided with government=sponsored healthcare/medical care. Unlike the U.S., they do not have 40 million people who cannot afford adequate healthcare or have no healthcare at all. And EVERY Russian high school graduate is entitled to a tuition-paid-for university or college education. They go to great lengths to keep kids from dropping out of school. As a result, the average Russian you meet is much better educated than your “average” American.

            And another interesting fact I have observed when I’ve been there: Russia’s Communist Party today is so tiny it makes up merely 1% — one percent — of the total votes in their national elections. And they brag that they are Russia’s “republican political faction” nowadays. Get a grip! Better yet– GET A LIFE.

            Okay, your turn — you going to hee haw again, jackass??!?

          69. David in MA says

            I’m sure Putin and the Politburo agrees with you.

          70. Kol says

            Putin The Puke aka Vadimir The Vomit is destroying Russia much like his ass-kissing buddy Donald Trump From The Dump will destroy America if we do not stop him.

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          71. Kol says

            A Trump Presidency Would Likely Be Even Worse Than You Think: 11 …


            There’s one more thing we’ve yet to concern. A Trump presidency will ignite social movements that’s anti-technology: neo-Luddites of the 21st century.

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            Nov 9, 2016 – Donald Trump assumes the office of the presidency at the peak of its imperial powers and unhindered by the drag of divided government.

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          72. Dr. Mike Reeder says

            Big deal. The CIA guards Barry 100% of the time.

          73. Kol says

            You appear to be very educated in a couple of limited areas… and you blither and babble somewhat otherwise.

          74. Dr. Mike Reeder says

            No, it’s my turn. Russia as a nation has gone through so many up and downs (not so far up but way down low) it’s a wonder they trust their government at all. Millions of people have died in that country in the not too distant past and they now have the head of the KGB as their leader. He was “elected” but nearly 1/3rd of the polling stations reported irregularities. They saw communism implode on itself and finally looked for something better. If Lenin or Stalin were still alive they would be horrified at what’s happened to Russia. school age child gets a chance to go to University. It won’t be long until they realize that they’re spending 80% of their resources on the lower 20% that won’t get a degree of any kind, anyway. A free market is the answer to much. Granted it’s not ideal but what is? Please do not use those words again. It belittles you. If Obamacare had been such a success there would NOT be 40 million Americans ho could NOT afford healthcare. I would take issue with you that the average Russian is better educated that we are. If so, they sure aren’t using that education very well.

          75. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            For the most part I agree with you. But Putin certainly gives me pause.He and Trump and Hitler, etc. have so many similarities that really do frighten me. He is a former KGB, he is obsessed with the Russia aka Soviet Union that he grew up in and appears to be bound and determined to bring that back. Much like Trump, his cabinet and the Republicans I believe are trying to do.

          76. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Okay so how is that a problem? According to you things haven’t been exactly going your way for a really long time. Could they do any worse than say, What Trump and his cabinet with the blind assistance of the republicans are trying to do?

            Read this and learn something.

          77. Dr. Mike Reeder says

            What are talking about? There are many of them! Try Bernie Sanders for example! He claims to be a social democrat but his brand of society is really very close to communism. He wants to give away the farm! But, in reality SOMEONE has to pay for all the free stuff. My taxes are already too high and I will not pay more if I can help it. Why don’t we all just give everything to the government and let them divide it up? What would you call that? It’s failed EVERYWHERE it’s been tried. Social democrat…… HA! HA! HA! HA! Not here not ever!

          78. Kol says

            I’m U.S.–born American. Have extended family in Russia. I’ve lived there for extended periods several times. Works beautifully in Russia… EVERY Russian citizen is provided with government-sponsored healthcare and it’s quite good. Unlike the U.S., they do not have 40 MILLION citizens who can’t afford adequate healthcare or have none at all. And EVERY Russian high school graduate is entitled to a tuition-paid-for university or college education. They have a fine education system and go to considerable lengths to keep kids from dropping out of school. As a result, the average Russian one meets on the street or in the nearby shopping mall tends to be a lot more educated than the “average” American. As for healthcare, the same is true of all but one of he G28 nations! The U.S. of A. is the only one that doesn’t look after ALL of its citizens!

          79. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Actually, Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist, per his own words.

          80. MAHB001 says

            Excellent post.

          81. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            SMH. No, not an excellent post. Is that all the two of you can do is bully people that don’t have the same viewpoint as you?? I find that quite pathetic. Why do you do that?

          82. MAHB001 says

            Civility left the internet when Kol and AK started posting.

            You need to get off your high horse and do some research before you post.

          83. Jeffery Hays Black says

            Just listen to yourself. Your being a bully unless someone else agrees with your “truth”. You’ve outed yourself.

          84. AKLady says

            I have very bad news fir you: Every modern, industrialized country has a mixed economy. Unlike the U.S., most do not let people die because they cannot afford to buy medical care.
            If fact, the national health care is far less expensive than the American system. YOu see, omce a person becomes 100% disabled, you not only pay for they medical, but food, clothing and shelter as well.

          85. David in MA says

            Lady, you are unbelievable, did the polar bear you were having sex with bite you on the head so hard it screwed up your thinking?

          86. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Hey, hey, hey. Please refrain from the degrading comments. Very unbecoming. Civilized discourse, please, please. You don’t have to agree with AKLady, you have a right to an opinion, as does she. Doesn’t matter what political affiliation you subscribe to. Just keep it civil.

            But she is correct in her statement. We are one of the only industrialized nations that DON’T have a universal healthcare system. Don’t you find that a bit strange?

          87. David in MA says

            She is a stupid troll off her meds, are you her sister?

          88. MAHB001 says

            Trolls are not civilized, and they are being treated as they treat others…

            why do you admonish David in MA and ignore the trolls worse offenses?

          89. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            I am not a troll, nor am I on meds, and I do and have odmonished others for untowarded behavior. Why do you insist on buyllying people? Perhaps if they didn’t they wouldn’t feel the need to do it to you.

          90. Kol says

            He reaps what he sows… then complains, whines and moans about it…. and gets even nastier. Most people just start to laugh at him after awhile. That’s all one can do.

          91. MAHB001 says

            I didn’t say you were a troll. But Kol, and AKLady are.

            Kol and AKLady are just getting exactly what they dish out. They are the ones that started the bullying.

            BTW, you don’t have to go very far up the threads to see their offensive posts. Why didn’t you do that before you hopped up on your high horse?

            You shouldn’t be saying the things you are saying unless you apply those principals to all.

          92. GODBlessRealAmerica says
          93. Oldcamaros says

            MAHB001 FYI, Khrushchev and Lenin misstated the fundamental goal of communism: Ultimately, in order for the state to have power it must acquire control of economic production in order to enable it to create socialism. Not likely to happen in USA, a capitalistic republic, nor Canada, France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc.; Communism develops and is imposed in autocratic and authoritarian countries like Cuba, Viet Nam, China, and so on. I agree the USA will never accept communism, but we already have big doses of socialism in place.

          94. MAHB001 says

            Khrushchev and Lenin may have lied about the “fundamental goal of communism.” BUT….

            What difference does it make? Lenin, Stalin used socialists to achieve their goals. I’ll bet that before Communism was instilled in Russia the general outlook about the Russian society turning Marxist/Leninist was just like what you described Canada, France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Finland, USA, etc as…. It will never happen here…

            AND what makes you think the elites aren’t just repeating history?

          95. Kol says

            Did you check under your bed last night before going to sleep to make sure there weren’t a couple of “communists” lurking there waiting to “get you”???

          96. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Well you might think it won’t happen here, but that’s exactly what Trump is trying to do, at least that’s how it seems.

          97. MAHB001 says

            Elite Democrats = Elite Republicans = Elite MEDIA = Liberal Progressive Communists.

            I am not sure that Trump is an elite politician yet, time will tell, but note, We the People are watching him.

            We will not let him go as far as Hillary and 0bama have already gone.

          98. AKLady says

            All modern, industrialized nations have mixed economies.
            That necessity was learned over a century ago.

            America is on the brink of revolution. Unemployment and poverty have been allowed to climb to Great Depression levels. Quite some time ago, the American people stopped being a passive group. The 1960s are simply a hint of what is to come. The next protests will be based on poverty. They are going to be much uglier and far more violent than any that have occurred since the American Revolution.

          99. AKLady says

            Canada, France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc all have national health care. They also take care of their poor, the elderly, disabled and the children.
            They pay higher income taxes, but they get far more bangf for their money.
            You see, they don’t spend 47% of their budget on military.
            They have no desire to play world police.

          100. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Uh, so did Cuba under Catro’s rule. His mistake was not trusting anyone else to bring his dream to fruition.

          101. AKLady says

            Cuba has state of the art medical care.
            People actually travel there for health care they cannot afford in the U.S.
            Ot has been possible to purchase special passports to travel to Cuba the entire time that the embargo has been in effect. Several S. American countries sold them to Americans.

          102. MAHB001 says

            AND so do all those other countries, or at least to the same degree that America does. AK has been making the argument that the US is the ONLY country that lets people die of diseases like diabetes. Her claim is just false, and has been debunked but she makes it about every 2 months for years now.

          103. Merle Dickey says

            I think she/ he is in a nursing home any way , what a bitter person .And the repetitions !!!

          104. Deborah G says

            She/he/it is a troll. Pay for click Soros hack. Just block it and starve it from getting paid

          105. MAHB001 says

            I will not block her, but will try to refrain from responding to her trash.

          106. Deborah G says

            I have only blocked a few people. I don’t mind dissenting opinions or even people far left of me IF they are adult and respectful. Once they become disrespectful I’m done. Not going to clutter my life with them

          107. MAHB001 says

            If anyone deserves to be blocked it would be AK.

            My problem is that her goals along with the Alinsky radicals that she runs with are to disrupt. They do this through intimidation and lies.

            If nobody stands up and calls her out on her lies, then she repeats them enough times to become the truth..

            “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.”

            I have seen enough on these posts to know that this tactic works. So if for no other reason, I confront her lies, just so the unwary are not caught off guard.

          108. Deborah G says

            The realiity is if you have been around this site for awhile a lot of its responses are auto generated.It could be 4 different people, they have a script and talking points. It is all part of the Soros machine. They get paid to do this.,Starve them. WHY? because it really doesn’t matter what you say they just do it over and over.

          109. Dr. Mike Reeder says

            No they don’t, they depend on the U.S. to do that for them. Most of the EU is teetering on he brink of bankruptcy because, in very large measure, of their social costs. We don’t need or want that kind of socialism here. If you like it so much, go there and use their system. 🙂 I am of the opinion that once we get enough of this nonsense we will change our life styles and DO something. By something I’m talking about working, tending your garden, mowing you lawn, WALK to your neighbors. Cars, computers and the TVs in every home are the biggest inconveniences the world has ever known.

          110. AKLady says

            Right, letting people die is just so much better ..

          111. MAHB001 says

            Great post. Thanks for the sanity.

          112. AKLady says

            I have to agree with Kol. You are a very sad, brainwashed fool, not to mention an extremely calloused individual.
            ou want people to be left to live in the street, starve, and die from treatable illness – just because they are poor. You want to make more of America like cities in Asia. Our largest cities are already like that. In every large city, a body collection squad goes around picking up those who have died in the streets. If they cannot be identified, the body is held for thirty days. At the end of that time, the body is cremated and buried in a mass pauper’s grave site.

          113. MAHB001 says

            You spreading lies again? Why? Is this the the ONLY country in the world that lets people die of diabetes is the United States lie?

            Why must you lie?
            Why must you embarass yourself like that?
            Why do you embarass all liberals like that?

          114. AKLady says

            A doctor’s office visit now costs $250.00
            A five- hour, glucose tolerance test runs almost $1,000.00
            No insurance, doctors and labs want paid up front — they have had it with the people who get care and don’t [ay
            No insurane, low pay …. Where are they going to obtain testing an treatment?
            Why do you lie? America lets people be crippled and/or die from silent disease every day.
            It is people like you that make it happen.
            It is people like you that keep it happening.

          115. MAHB001 says

            That is right, a drs office visit now costs $250, PLUS the $300 a month, PLUS an labs,

            Thanks Liberals for 0bamacare… Now even insured people are running from the costs of 0bamacare.

          116. AKLady says

            The say ignorance is bliss.
            You seem very blissful.

          117. MAHB001 says

            You should have been admonished by Francine for this uncivil comment.

            But, then again, Francine is just a little hypocritical.

          118. AKLady says

            They say ignorance is bliss …

          119. Deborah G says

            That is ALL Robo talking points . Trolls do that over and over.Block that Soros Media Matters hack

          120. AKLady says

            You talk about Communism because you are a Cold War, brainwash victim.

            You do not have the intellectual capacity to tell the difference between what is a mixed economy and one that allows people to be homeless, starving, and dying.

          121. Kol says

            Anti-communism – the 20th Century Obsession. – Dick Gaughan’s …

   › Ramblings

            Anti-communism – Dick Gaughan’s Ramblings. … Every ruling class in history has held it and every ruling class in history has imagined that it is the first to do so. …. into the brain of anyone who claims to be anything other than ultra-Right-wing -.

            Manichaeism in American Politics – Religion Online


            by WF May – ‎Cited by 3 – ‎Related articles

            In the political Right Wing it generates—and anoints—a whole series of …. Senator McCarthy and his followers were so obsessed with the domestic Communist …

            The State Steps In: Setting the Anti-Communist Agenda–by Ellen …


            What transformed the Communist threat into a national obsession was not its … by the ideologically conservative conception of anticommunism so central to the … anti-Communist effort and managed to infuse its own right-wing concerns into …

          122. MAHB001 says

            The first step is to recognize you have a problem.
            America has a problem….
            Elite Democrats = Elite Republicans = Elite MEDIA = Liberal Progressive Communists.

          123. AKLady says

            You really should seek out a mental health professional.
            Your paranoia has become clinical.

            Your callous disregard for your fellow man shrieks of communism.
            They say ignorance is bliss. You seem quite blissful.

          124. MAHB001 says

            LOL, another joke I see.

          125. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Sorry, MAHB001, But not in a democratic socialistic society. Maybe in a completely socialis society, but they rarely last for long, and splinter or lean to one of the other ideologies. A democratic socialist society is very different, and can lead to a very good life for it’s people. Often quite peaceful, and fruitful.

          126. MAHB001 says

            Sorry, Francine,
            But democratic socialist societies always fall to Communism. Look at how many Communist societies actually have the word “democratic” in their names and definitions. AND which ones are peaceful, and fruitful?

            You can play semantics all day long and you will probably win. But the bottom line is that what you call a democratic socialist society has never existed and never will until you remove EVIL from man. And I don’t see you guys attacking evil, so lets just quit with the BS and call your goals for what they are… Communism…

          127. David in MA says

            Your an ass if you think communism is dead, it is alive and well and they are slowly little by little getting what they want America to be. Ever read the U.N. Agenda 21/ That plan is being implemented in federal, state and local area’s as a good thing, but it is a sinister good thing which is slowly turning America over to a communist country..

          128. Kol says

            You’re an ass obsessing like a blithering idiot over “communism”!!!!
            As I’ve said many times. i’m American. I was born here. I have extended family in Russia and I’ve lived there at times. Russia’s Communist Party today is so tiny it makes up merely 1% — one percent — of the total votes in their national elections. And they brag that they are Russia’s “republican political faction” nowadays. Get a grip! Better yet– GET A LIFE.
            Okay, your turn — you going to hee haw again, jackass??!?

          129. David in MA says

            Dumb ass, you can’t even spell, It is TROLL, not Kol.
            AND, your only fooling yourself if you believe communism is dead.

          130. Kol says

            As for you stupid insults… kiss my ass.

            I”m American. I have famiuly in Russia. I live from time to time. Have joint venture business interests and own one of my homes there. Russia’s Communist Party is barely 1$ of their votes in their national elections. Communism is dead there. I’ve never even met anyone who is one. Cold war mentality is outmoded and dead there too — it’s a dinner table joke!!Q

          131. David in MA says

            Believe what you will and so shall I, I do not believe you nor that communism is dead.

            BTE: Does the IRS know as an American. you have family in Russia. live there from time to time and have joint venture business interests and own a home there. DO YOU PAY TAXES IN AMERICA ON YOUR BUSINESS INTERESTS?

          132. Kol says

            I own one of your homes there??? That doesn’t make any sense. Sounds sort of stupid, in fact. LOL!

          133. Kol says

            When I converse with anyone I really do think they have at least enough intellect to know the difference between “your” and “you’re” if they’re going to spew snotty remarks and insults. My god, that’s 5th grade grammar!! Makes you look pretty stupid to use those wrong!

          134. Kol says

            You’re only fooling yourself thinking you have much in the way of “smarts” when your posts repeatedly use “your” when you should write “you’re”… and vice versa. Sure looks sorta STOOOOOPID!
            Thanks for the laughs! A really entertaining clown act there, Bozo! LOL!

          135. Kol says

            Anti-communism – the 20th Century Obsession. – Dick Gaughan’s …

   › Ramblings

            Anti-communism – Dick Gaughan’s Ramblings. … Every ruling class in history has held it and every ruling class in history has imagined that it is the first to do so. …. into the brain of anyone who claims to be anything other than ultra-Right-wing -.

            Manichaeism in American Politics – Religion Online

            by WF May – ‎Cited by 3 – ‎Related articles

            In the political Right Wing it generates—and anoints—a whole series of …. Senator McCarthy and his followers were so obsessed with the domestic Communist …

            The State Steps In: Setting the Anti-Communist Agenda–by Ellen …


            What transformed the Communist threat into a national obsession was not its … by the ideologically conservative conception of anticommunism so central to the … anti-Communist effort and managed to infuse its own right-wing concerns into …

          136. MAHB001 says

            Troll, The first step is to recognize you have a problem.
            America has a problem….
            Elite Democrats = Elite Republicans = Elite MEDIA = Liberal Progressive Communists.

          137. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            No not really. Communism is a very different thing. Not necessarily good, but very different. Check out the links I gave for Sol of Texs above. They might make it a little clearer for you, I hope.

          138. sandraleesmith46 says

            They are globalists; all of them!

          139. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Neither one of you are correct, but the following links might help settle your confustion – or make you more confused. But i will say, only one US citizen – Mr. Trump – and his proposed cabinet, actually fit into several of these categories, none of them good. Also look up the term “grandiose narcissist”.


          140. Sol_of_Texas says

            But Fran — Is there a practical difference? Is your point that communism is attainable?

          141. Mathew Molk says

            Are you still taking the drugs your commissar gave you tfor being a useful idiot during the election? –

            Republician plan yurass. Is that why Nance Blow-see said you have to pass it and them read it? Even if it were true, which it is NOT then why was the royal exalted boma so glad to glom onto it and claim it as his own. It was never called Republicare for a reason.

          142. Merle Dickey says

            Only the kids covered until 26 and the pre existing condition was in the Republican plan which the dems added to theirs . The problem is there are many taxes in Obama care . That is what they need to totally eliminate . This will take time so be patient . and to you libes . live with it whether you like it or not , just like we had to do for 8 years !!!!

          143. shavager says

            NO, it was NOT the GOP plan, what Mitt Romney ran in Massachussetts was passed by a DemocRAT controlled state legislature and it’s underwater in costs and lack of affordable care. The ACA was written by DemocRAT controlled House, sent to Senate and REWRITTEN in Senate with House bill stripped out. It should’ve been declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL because ALL tax bills MUST be written and passed in House FIRST, rewriting the bill in Senate eliminated its Constitutional meaning. It was NEVER intended to work, the purpose was to engulf insurance industry in such high costs they would bankrupt trying to pay for it–meant huge increases in costs and deductibles and collapse.

          144. Deborah G says

            It didn’t look ANYTHING like what the Dems shoved up our azzes

        2. Deborah G says

          It is really a very easy solution. Up the income limit for medicaid,competition,and stop payments to illegals

          1. AKLady says

            Why would you want to increase the number of total disability recipients?

            People who cannot afford medical care almost always end up on Social Security Disability Insurance or Supplemental Security Income. Both of those programs come with Medicare and/or Medcaid coverage.

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          3. DSR says


          4. AKLady says

            Arn’t you filled with hate.
            I have a better idea. You find somewhere you like better, move there.
            Don’t tell me, I expct you claim to be Christian.

          5. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Oh my, the all caps indicates you are yelling – as well as being really ignorant of the histories behind the events you mentioned. First, sit down, take a deep breath, and get your composure together. Breath in, then breath out really slowly. You okay now? Good.

            You have lumped a bunch of different things – The Iran Deal, $1 Billion Settlement Payment, and release of prisoners – all into one event. Actually they were 3 different events, mostly unrelated, but happened in a short period of time – actually the final results coincided in a short period of time. The $1 billion settlement began nearly 30+ years ago, long before Obama was President and long before HRC was anywhere near the White House, and wasn’t even SOS at the time.

            I’m leaving you a link to a website, that could explain everything way better than I could. There are many more sites you could look to that will verify the information. I picked this site because it included a basic history of all the events, and reasons behind the end results. I’m not giving you this link to scare you. Only to expand your knowledge of the issues and events. All three were actually announced to the public within days of each other, but they were three separate issues, not really interrelated. I’m hoping that once you read the article – in full – it will calm some of your fears. Okay? Good. Just remember to keep breathing – in through the nose – out through the mouth slowly. It will help keep you calm.


          6. Deborah G says

            CNN is not a reputable source.

          7. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            hahahahahah, But Trump’s Tweets are. hahahahqahahaha

          8. Deborah G says

            Who said that? You libs love to attribute your projections to someone else, say it over and over until more lib idiots believe it.As an educated person I fond the Saul Alinskey BS just that. Now you are blocked I don’t have any desire to engage with mental morons

          9. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            I am not a liberal. Really, I’m not. you asked “Who said that?” Who said what? But really, lighten up. I’m not projecting anything to anyone else. I am educated. Please stop calling me a liberal. If you knew me, you’d know I am actually quite conservative. Trump is the one who projects his biases and faults onto others. He certainly has you fooled.

          10. GODBlessRealAmerica says

            You not a liberal then are you a Democrackhead socialist with low energy,
            ignorance, cowardly and hate!! You are a pathetic little one!!!

          11. DSR says

            Not Yelling at all. BUT THEN maybe you don’t know the difference.
            So…. All I am DOING IS typing LETTERS and NUMBERS in a view box to make a comment. NOW if you think that is yelling, then you have the problem. DO YOU understand that Sweetheart? Have a good day. and Merry Christmas if you even believe in our Country’s Constitution and social ways.

          12. Richard Kraus says

            correct . deport all muslims , and as far as Iran … get our 1.7 billion back . Our muslim president is going to do as much harm to the USA as possible before he leaves office . I actually heard that he wants to close Guantanimo ( not sure of the correct spelling ) . One must remember that the prisoners there are the worst of the worst . But I would not be surprised if Obama let’s all of them out . Anything to harm the USA and support Iran .

          13. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            You are right and wrong. I have been on SSI-D since 2012. I was seriously injured at work, which left me permanently disabled. I still have to pay a premium for Medicare, and had to enrolll in a Medicaid program (MEPD) in Iowa, to help me pay those premiums and to have my prescription costs covered.

            To qualify for that program, I had to work at least one hr/week. No one was going to hire me for 1 hr/week, so I found a parttime job. At first I thouight I could work 3 nights/week. But Social Security only allows me to make up to $1,070/month before my benefits are affected. That’s pre-tax income. Suddenly I not only had to pay the premium for Medicare, but also $50/month for the Medicaid.

            I reduced my hours to just 1 night/per week; then got a raise, and had to reduce my hours again – now only 6.5 hrs/wk. I’ve been doing this for 4 years now, but as of January 1, 2017, I won’t be on the disability any longer, but on regular SS. Medicaid won’t help anymore either. I can reapply, but it’s unlikely I’ll qualify.

            I’ve signed up for a plan for Medicare, no premium, but the deductible is nearly $4,000/yr, plus the co-pays. Oh, and no dental or vision either. I don’t get enough from SS to cover any of this. The Govenor of IA thought it would be great to privatize Medicaid. Hate to tell you how that is working out – most people now have no insurance (including children), and the cost of insurance has skyrocketed as you well know. Most of the insurance companies are getting around the “cannot deny coverage for pre-existing conditions” part of ACA by not allowing coverage for the medications to treat those pre-existing conditions. I live in a small, rural town, and the nearest hospital or doctors covered under the plan is 25 miles away. There is a medical group in town, but they aren’t participating in Obamacare. When I was looking for coverage, 3 of the companies wouldn’t cover any of my doctors because they weren’t in the same county I lived in.

            Seems to me what needs “repealed” is the insurance industry itself. As in, get rid of it and go to a truly National Healthcare system that covers everyone – no one gets left out for any reason.

            Since the Republicans are bound and determined to do away with pretty much everything, what do you suggest I do. My prescriptions alone would cost almost $2,000/month if I have to pay for them without help. I don’t even get close to that from SS and my job combined.

            My retirement and savings was used up a long time ago. So I don’t have anything to fall back on at this point. I own my own home – a 1973 mobile home, that is literally falling apart – but I can’t afford to have the repairs done.

            Honestly, I do agree with you somewhat, but your assumption, in my mind, is more incorrect than correct. Hopefully, you meant no real harm – but maybe it would be better if you actually knew a bit more about what you are commenting on. Sorry about this little novella, I live alone and only get to speak human on the night I work, sorta. But I am fluent in feline. But doubted you might speak that as a second language. But thanks for listening anyway.

          14. AKLady says

            You, me and many of the people I advocate for are in the same boat.
            We are America’s throw-aways.
            You might consider moving to a state with better benefits.

          15. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Believe me, I gave that a great deal of thought. SS is nationwide, only difference is the amount you get varies from state to state. Out here in Iowa, Medicaid qualifications vary from county to county. The town I live in actually has 2 counties – Cedar and Johnson. I live in Cedar County. The county seat is nearly 45 miles away. It is even a smaller town than mine, go figure. Such is the life of a farming community. My daughter wanted me to come live with her and the grandkids, and my great granddaughter, but she lives in VA, as do most of the still living on my mother’s side. I don’t have anything to do with my father’s family since he passed away nearly 35 years ago. He lived in Florida. Both places, VA & FL are way more expensive than Iowa. Besides, I so don’t want to live with my daughter and her brood. Love them bunches, but could not live with them. A short visit is about all I could handle.

            I’ve checked and can’t find anywhere else to move that I could afford. Even if I did, I don’t have the money to make the move, and my car would never make the trip. I lent it to the son of a now deceased friend, who promptly wrecked it 15 minutes after he left my house. That was 5 years ago. I have never been able to find out where he lives, I know he’s in the Army Reserves, but they won’t give me any information – National Security and such, they’re not allowed. Someone apparently told the little idiot that since the car wasn’t his, he was not responsible for the damage. At the time, I only had liability, I had changed from full coverage 2 months prior in an effort to cut back my monthly budget costs. My car has no rear window, no trunk lid, the chasey is bent, the interior destroyed because of no window for an entire winter and very rainy spring. But, bless her little fuel pump, she starts every single time I need her to.

            So you could kinda say a few things – I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place; and, My live is one big Murphy’s Law: Whatever can go wrong, will.

            But hey, if you have any suggestions, I sure would love the input.

          16. Deborah G says

            IF you were a Muslim refugee you’d be doing great. The a-hole libs don’t care about citizens

          17. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            I’m sure they do, but you know its not just Muslims that get help from our Government. There are refugees coming to our border from all over the world. Right now, even greater than those coming from Mexico, are those coming from Central American, south of Mexico. Here’s a site – non-partisian – that can help explain some of the facts and history of this country’s immigration.


            A favor please, when we are conversing, could you kindly refrain from using derogatory remarks? I’d really appreciate that very much. It took a long time for me to learn to control my own moutth (LOL – can cuss like a sailor for sure), but I really don’t want to fall back into that habit, you might tempt me. Thanks

          18. AKLady says

            Why can’t you actually look up facts?
            You don’t know jack about immigration.

          19. Richard Kraus says

            muslims should migrate to Africa .

          20. Deborah G says

            We sure don’t need them here AT ALL look at the mess Germany and the Netherlands are in

          21. AKLady says

            I speak feline fluently. I have one that rules the house with an iron paw.
            Poverty is terrible. Americans are too selfish to provide for oyr impoverished.
            If you were hurt at work, why isn’t the workers’ compensation insurer not paying? If the on-the-job injury left you 100% disabled, the employer’s insurance should be paying, unless you took a settlement.

            SSR, SSDI and SSI only reduce benefits by $1.00 for every $2.00 you earn over the limits; they do not take everything. If you qualify for SSR and/or SSI you qualify for Medicare after 1 year. If you qualify for SSI, you also qualify for Medicaid.

            Supplimental Security Income (SSi) is federal welfare. If you have worked, you should be getting Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI). That is not welfare, but insurance you paid for as a tax deducation from your pay check.

            After one year on SSDI, you qualify for Medicare. If youi meet the income limits, you can have both Medicare (federeal) and Medicaid (state).
            Private health insurance is a racket. You bet you’ll need to use it. The insurance company bets you won’t.

            America will never have national health care, the ACA is as close as it will ever get. Americans are terribly selfish, they have no common sense. Without health care, people become 100% disabled. When that happens, the taxpayer get to pay for the the entire suppirt — food, clothing, shelter, medical …

          22. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Uh, illegals don’t get payments, only legals qualify, and most of them don’t get payments either, they actually get jobs. Physicians turned Senators and House members not the best people to get advice from. There’s a reason they aren’t doctors anymore.

            But really, ACA/Obomacare is really only a small part of the problem. The larger part of the problem should have been taken care of first – get rid of the insurance indstry alltogether. They are what drives costs up – them and their shareholders. Go strictly to a National Healthcare System, like Canada’s for example (they have a great SS sytem as well). Yes your taxes would go up some (not as much as the insurance premiums have in most places), but what you get in return is that everybody, including you, are completely covered for any medical issue that arises, at a lower overall cost – because no insurance company is involved therefore no shareholders to worry about making money. Way cheaper prescription costs, about 1/10th what we now pay. I think it would be a win-win for all.

            BTW, there’s a very old saying: “…Can’t see the forest for the trees…” I think our Government, and yes, even you, might actually fit into that group of people. Need to take a look at the forest, to really be able to see each individual tree and the role it plays in the forest. Some of the trees will do what they are supposed to do, but many of them are diseased, or dead. They need to be removed for the rest of the forest to survive and thrive.

            So, get rid of insurance companies first, THEN, set up a National Healthcare System for all.

          23. Deborah G says

            ABsolutely NOT! You are so wrong it is scary.
            Illegals DO get plenty of payments. They changed the name of Welfare to Aid for Dependent Children,they cover the entire family with payments of approx $3078 a month Healthcare free, the adults as Caretakers,They get Foodstamps,heat subsidies See CalCare,NY does even more, Free School with two meals and free afterschool childcare.,

            Canada’s healthcare sucks. My best friends husband went blind waiting for a simple procedure,They have to apply to get on a doctor’s roles. The good ones are never open. You have rationed care. IF some non doctor panel doesn’t deem your condition necessary or a medication they refuse it. No appeals.,They come over the border in droves for care.This is AMerica not some Socialist country country. Profit drives innovation and cutting edge technologies inn Medicine.[read the story from the teacher in Denmark about what they actually get taxed and what they get] My husband is a doctor, You speak like a Elizabeth Warren Commie. Nothing is free.I want to be in charge of what I pay for NOT some bureaucrat.
            you must have been a Bernie Commie Voter

          24. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            First, just because your husband is a doctor, which I seriously doubt, doesn’t mean you are correct. I have had friends who reside in Canada, and have always spoken very well of their healthcare system.

            The Federal government sends to each state, assistance for the needy. Each state, however, decides how those funds will be used, what identification will be required to qualify, etc. They generally DO NOT get assistance if they are illegal, nor do they apply for it. If they already have family in this country, that came here legally, those members can then act as caretakers and get assistance for the children, illegals generally cannot. If some states decide in their laws to assist even illegals for the sake of the children, that is up to the state, not the Federal government.

            Aid for Dependent Children has been around for almost 45 years. It didn’t come about because of “illegal immigrants.” When ilegals are “captured”, and awaiting deportation or asylum, they are entitled to food, shelter and medical care if needed during their confinement. But it is hardly all fun and games. Many of the facilities are privatized, and in horrible condition. They are paid by the Feds, but they make the decision on how much will be used for the people, and what they will keep for themselves as “fee.” Conditions are poor at best.

            Still, your gripe seems to be that children are being taken care of. I guess it’s okay with you if children starve to death. Or maybe you’d prefer they die from illness, or from lack of a roof over their heads. Lord help us if we let them learn to read and write, or get to go outside, or just act like normal children.

            If children are born here whose parents are illegal, the children are considered American, and entitled to what ALL AMERCAN children are entitled to. You are truly a disgusting human being, shame on you. BTW, I never mentioned Denmark, idiot. You are such a friggin liar, trruly one of the most deplorable individuals I have had the displeasure to try to have a civilized discussion with. No I’m not a communist, no I didn’t vote for your King T either.

            If you want to be able to make your very own decisions, I suggest you find some deserted island to live on, because America is certainly not to your taste. But I will tell you this, you are a true socialist. Look it up. Doctor’s wife, bull hockey. But just in case you are, here is a copy of the Hipocratic Oath, Modern Version, that is widely used today. Read it, you’ll learn how foolish and selfish you really are.

            “I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:…
            I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
            I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
            I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon’s knife or the chemist’s drug.
            I will not be ashamed to say “I know not,” nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient’s recovery.
            I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. Above all, I must not play at God.
            I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person’s family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
            I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
            I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
            If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.”

            Written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University, and used in many medical schools today.

          25. Deborah G says

            My husband is very much a doctor and has been for the last 38 years. You sound like another lib asswipe.

          26. Francine Ellen Carraher says

            Actually, I don’t. But you definitly sound un-American. Shamefull, really shameful. Still don’t buy that your “husband” is a doctor.

          27. Hilly says

            And I don’t believe you’re an American, Francis.

          28. Deborah G says

            i DON’T EITHER

          29. TPM says

            I’d have guessed California

          30. TPM says

            Would you believe it, if he euthanized you? …
            You are an obnoxious, simple minded troll.

          31. Henry Darby says

            Look you are not just absolutely wrong about Canadian heath care, you are also obviously a indoctrinated Alinsky/socialis/progresive. Please go troll somewhere else. You are not open to any viewpoint other than your own. If anyone is “Not an American”, it is truly you with your very evil progressive mantras.

          32. Rattlerjake says

            When a libturd calls a conservative un-American it actually is a compliment! Don’t stop there call me a Christian, a racist, a homophobe, an Islamist, a birther, a conspiracy theorist, a flat-earther, a red-neck, and a pro-lifer while you’re at it.

          33. GODBlessRealAmerica says


          34. Richard Kraus says

            stop arguing with Francine . If you look at her picture she looks very young , never worked a day in her life , lives at home with mom , never paid tax (income) … I said all that to say this – when you are young , being a liberal sounds great , but as you get a little older you see that it does not work , someone is paying for all this free crap (taxpayer) you !

          35. Deborah G says

            I came out of the womb a conservative LOL> John Wayne was my hero. These kids wouldn’t know what the greatest generation was! All they know how to do is whine for free stuff.

          36. Richard Kraus says

            exactly my point . They think all of it is free .

          37. Rosie says

            So who taught them that Deborah? Parents, both Democratic and Republicans.. they gave their children EVERYTHING they asked for ( because they didn’t get as children), and what they have done to them is a great disservice. None have worked and all are privileged ..they have no idea what the word sacrifice means.

            So now, they can fix it… take away the cars you bought for them, let them get a job and PAY for their own tuition. I did, my son did… and he got his car AFTER graduating college. He worked for his spending money, books and any hobby or entertainment. He paid room and board while living at home. ( Money I put in an account and gave him at a later time). He learned what it was to work, skimp for something, he learned responsibility! The $200 a month he paid for room and board and tuition at the end of 4 years was nearly $10,000! When it came time for him to buy a house, I gave him that savings account..,which I continued to add money . When he went to put the down payment on his house he got $25,000 he didn’t know he had. So it’s not too late to take away the crayons and coloring books. You have a chance to make men and women into them still.

          38. Deborah G says

            My kids were raised that way and now they are the same with their kids.

          39. Hilly says

            Then let their own country do something for them. You bleeding heart liberals need to drink a big steaming cup of shut the hell up.

          40. Deborah G says

            Love that!

          41. John says

            Doctors charge a office visit of$100 or so plus a fee for what they do. That office visit should not be allowed by the insurance co doctors did fine before without that charge until they wanted the rich life that their oath does not call for.

          42. Deborah G says

            Obviously you have NO idea what it costs to run a Medical practice. I Do. My husband is a doctor.The office visit/Call charge covers just that, the cost of running the office. Rent, Supplies,[ bet you didn’t know that disposable gown you get costs over $10?] Did you? maintenance costs,insurance[Not Mal Practice that is extra] lights,heat/AC, salaries,Medical insurance for staff,equipment[ a good stethoscope costs over $500], etc.The “office visit part doesn’t even cover all of it. Next you have taxes, fees,etc. After that you have probably several thousand a month in student loan debt because a Medical degree is upwards of hundred’s of thousands.Takes years to pay that off.

            I am sick of people who look in a doctor’s pocket and decides what they should get. For 12 years of hard labor[School] thousands in college /educational costs you think they should work for pennies? YOU invest in yourself that much money. NEXT? There is NOTHING and I mean NOTHING in their oath that says they can’t make a decent living.They worked for it and earn it.My dad was a doctor as well. we didn’t starve but we weren’t wealthy either. He worked 7 days a week,Way back 30-40 years ago they charged an office fee too, had to. what price do you put on getting the diagnosis right?

          43. jim_wright says

            If you love socialized healthcare so much, move to a country that provides it. Then you will see why, when they need real healthcare and if they can afford it, they come here for their healthcare. The head of Canada’s healthcare system came here for cardiac care because Canada’s system had a waiting list that most likely would have resulted in his death. Government controlled healthcare doesn’t work.

          44. bpgagirl22VAnow says

            Exactly why I said what I did up above! Thank you!

          45. Bill Kollar says

            There is and always will be an appeal process even if it’ comes from the barrel of a 44 Mag.

          46. bpgagirl22VAnow says

            Don’t she though?! She’s definitely been brainwashed!

          47. MAHB001 says

            Government has never been as efficient as private industry. What makes you think that giving the whole thing over to the Government would be better for the people??? It would be much better for the POLITICIANS that want to control the people but for the people…. Not a chance that the Government can run the insurance agencies better…

            ‘Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialized State.’

            One of the reasons the insurance industry is so costly is that it is over regulated.

          48. Hilly says

            Just look at the way the government runs the D.M.V., the Post Office, the V.A., etc. Government is not the solution, it’s the problem.

          49. MAHB001 says

            Excellent examples.
            We can now put the DOJ, FBI, IRS and our justice system into the mix now that they have been politicized.

          50. Richard Kraus says

            right again . Take the government out of the picture and let the free market take over .

          51. Sheila says

            @Francine. Canada does not have the best of medical insurance.Talk to someone there. Canada people have to wait weeks and months before being able to see a doctor or a specialist because of the long waiting list. Most of their people come here to American for doctors. I suggest you should find out all the details before applauding Canada medical service. And the illegals do get Medicaid and food stamps just by having their children. Once the child is eligible the parents get to spend them!

          52. Richard Kraus says

            correct . Stop chain migration .

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          54. MAHB001 says

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          55. Maureen Hannon says

            Canada’s and other countries health care systems are great for them, but they don’t cover cancer(it’s too expensive and doesn’t guarentee cure). Maybe cancer isn’t so prevalent in other countries, but it’s the 2nd leading cause of death in America.

          56. Hilly says

            Why do you think the Canadians come to the U.S. for medical care?

          57. Deborah G says

            Obviously because they can’t get it there

          58. Hilly says

            Illegals flood our emergency rooms, and by law, they must be treated. How many of them do you think ever pay their bills?

          59. Richard Kraus says

            none zero – deport the ones here and stop the rest at the border and send them back .

          60. Deborah G says

            AMEN!Deport anyone nOT here legally, send their kids we support back with them. Eisenhauer did it. The libs will have something new to perpetually be offended about.

          61. Richard Kraus says

            when I was young and some body offended me – I had to deal with it . Now if you offend someone they have to go to a safe-zone or get dog therapy – this is the future of our country – I’m scared to think what’s going to happen in about 20-25 years from now .

          62. Deborah G says

            well I probably won’t be here to see it LOL

          63. Deborah G says

            THEY now think THEY are entitled because Obama said they are. I used to feel sorry for them. NOPE not anymore when I see them at the store pregnant,4 kids in tow,pass over food stamps and WIC coupons like it is all normal. Then their boyfriends or husband pull out their wad of cash for working off the books.

          64. John says

            The more kids the more the government gives them so why not have them

          65. Deborah G says

            MOSt of the Hispanic illegals are Catholic [not all] and birth control is banned in the church. SO? they come here to support their kids free

          66. Richard Kraus says

            that is exactly the same thing blacks did starting in the late 60’s up to and including today .

          67. TPM says

            YES, Canada has socialized medicine. BUT, the wait times are MUCH longer than here, for many services. PLUS, here we have loads of illegals that we must pay for. There are no where near as many freeloaders in Canada.

          68. Richard Kraus says

            you are a communist . I can tell you have never paid for anything in your life . The government can’t do anything without screwing the whole thing up and you want them to control health ( death ) insurance . ? The waiting list in socialist countries to see a doctor or have an operation is so long that many die waiting for their appointment . Don’t kid yourself – there is nothing wrong with doctors and hospitals to work for a profit – the free market is how the best rises to the top at the cheapest possible cost .

          69. bpgagirl22VAnow says

            No socialism like Canada. People are dying up there waiting to be seen. NOPE!

          70. Richard Kraus says

            you actually believe what you hear ? Look at what you actually see happen(s) . Illegals are getting over on the system . Deport all illegals then as Trump says – come back legally . We do not know who is in my country now . What makes a country ? ANSWER : boarders , language and culture . The USA does not have any of these now .

          71. Hilly says

            Don’t forget about doing something about medical malpractice insurance rates! Doctors are required to have this, yet how many of them (damn few, I’ll bet) ever have to use it? This is a huge bill that gets tacked on to your health care bills!

          72. Deborah G says

            Yes that is so true. My husband’s insurance is bigger than our mortgage used to be

          73. Richard Kraus says

            correct – the first thing that should be done is to deport illegals – then we wouldn’t have to stop payments to them .

          74. Deborah G says

            ALLL of them

        3. AKLady says

          There is only one thing better than the ACA — national health care Norwegian style
          .Congress came close, but health care is not horseshoes.

        4. DSR says


      3. AKLady says

        Right, let’s go back to just letting people die. Hey, that’s been the American way since 1776. why change now?

        1. MAHB001 says

          As if 0bama changed anything….
          Why do you lie?
          Why do you embarrass liberals like this?

          1. AKLady says

            Up early, playing on the computer before school today.
            Are you playing hookey?

    3. curmudgeon VN Veteran says

      Only welfare leeches and people begging for ‘Free Sh!t’ ever listen to the empty promises made by liberal democRAT politicians.

      1. Deborah G says

        Now if that’s not the truth! AND? The Dems deliver from the sweat of hardworking people.

    4. Tiger says

      People are going to die without it and already are dying in alarming numbers. This O care nicely puts very ill people at a disadvantage by limiting ER visits, Hospital admissions, cancer meds and much more and this was it’s purpose.

      1. Deborah G says

        Absolutely all to try and get 100% control with single payer. They got slapped down. Hope they get stomped now.

        1. sandraleesmith46 says

          That’s what “universal” is; same as the VA; how’s that working?

          1. Oldcamaros says

            “universal” is the same as when you can apply for Medicare–your get good health care, but still have to pay a bit for the insurance. The VA is not the same, because you MUST be a veteran to qualify for health care, insured or not. Both VA and Medicare are well-liked health care programs.

          2. sandraleesmith46 says

            No, “universal” means everyone, but the system will be more akin to the VA than Medicare.

          3. Oldcamaros says

            No Sandra, what it means is universal ACCESS, but everybody pays something to participate, like the Dutch do to private insures..

          4. sandraleesmith46 says

            You haven’t been listening then, because they are talking about socialized medicine, as both parties have been, for the past 2 decades or so!

      2. Bobby Harris says

        ER visits were limited by your carrier long before ObamaCare and more than likely the people you described were not able to get insurance before ObamaCare or were paying an extremely high rate because of a pre existing condition, or had reached the max on their benefits because of frequent hospital stays. I don’t know what you think person with out insurance were doing before ObamaCare but a lot of them were dying. Hospitals were turning them away if they didn’t have insurance. ObamaCare is not perfect but it was something to build on, if Trump and the republicans have something better then bring it on, everyone needs affordable insurance and everyone should be insured.

        1. Parke Messier says

          Hospitals NEVER turn people away. That is a canard. If you go to an emergency room, you WILL be treated. Period. Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster. Insurance companies have lost billions of dollars as providers under Obamacare which is why all but 2 or 3 insurance companies have opted out of the system. And those 2 or 3 will eventually opt out too. Premiums are through the roof as are deductibles. What difference does it make if you have insurance when your deductibles are so high that you never reach the deductible???!!!!!! Why would anyone want that??!!! Let’s see, I think I’ll sign up for Obamacare so that I can pay an exorbitant amount in insurance premiums but never reach my deductible . . . . So now I’m paying unaffordable insurance premiums AND the ENTIRE cost of my medical care!!! That is sheer stupidity. And that is why Obamacare is in a death spiral. Socialized health insurance, which is what Obamacare is, doesn’t work. It increases cost to the consumer and decreases quality and quantity of actual health care. It will take at least 3 years to sort out the MESS that the liberals and the Obama administration have made of our once superior health system. Among many other messes but that’s another subject. Trump and his administration will sort it out, thank God. We were headed over the cliff and THANK GOD that crook Hillary Clinton didn’t win. The American people dodged a major bullet.

          1. Mathew Molk says

            Not entirely true, There are times an emergency room will be overwhelmed and through triosh you may be sent to another hospital (or wait ’till you die of old age.) but you are 100% correct that NO ONE is EVER denied care at a hospital because they have no insurance or that you have no money…Now at a later time they may come after you for payment but it will in no way effect the care you get in the ER. If you need elective surgery that could be a whole ‘nuther ballgame but when you come into the ER with something like a broken leg or bleeding from a stab wound or have pneumonia or a heart attack you will be treated and even admitted if that is what is called for. You will even be treated if you need a couple of stitches acquired in a hockey game. All thus leftest BS is just the. BS.

            It is that way now, It was that way 4 years ago, it was that way 30 years ago and it will be that way after Jan 20th. – No one now has ever died because the ER refused to treat them based on ability to pay. (Look up Medicaid) . If you say different and claim you know of a case where someone was refused treatment because of ability to pay you are a damn liar.

          2. sandraleesmith46 says

            That law was in place during the Depression; and it’s still in effect.

          3. Parke Messier says

            When I said that hospitals never turn people away, I meant that, if you go to the emergency room, you WILL be treated, regardless of ability to pay. The salient point being that everyone has always had access to medical care, long before Obamacare. And no, I am not a liar. I don’t know why you’re getting so testy with me! Geez Louise.

          4. Bobby Harris says

            I don’t know what world you live in, there have been more documented cases of people being turned away from hospitals because of no insurance, on top of that, how long do you think you can stay in an emergency room and who do you think pay for the uninsured visit to the emergency room. Insurance companies have lost money and some have made money, even before Obamacare deductibles were going through the roof. In 2007 I paid $262 a month with a $100 deductible in an employer sponsored plan, that same year we were sold to another company and for the same plan I would have had to pay $640/mth with a $4000 deductible. I don’t know why you think we had a superior healthcare system when one third of the population was uninsured, infant deaths, were comparable to third world countries, our life span is shorter than any country where healthcare is free. Any stat you can come up with that measure the health of a country we lag behind countries with socialized health care

          5. sandraleesmith46 says

            NOT TRUE: that law was in effect LONG before Obamacare; in fact before O was even born! It was in effect when my Mom was a student nurse in the late ’30s, and still in effect when I started nursing classes in the mid ’60s as well; it’s never been repealed that I’ve heard about!

          6. Bobby Harris says

            What’s not true? And what law are you referring to: Public hospitals can not turn people away because of inability pay but private hospitals can and do deny services in non emergency situations and there have been documented cases where people were denied services at a private hospital. If you are in the nursing profession you know this to be true. The only law I know of requiring private hospitals to render services in emergencies was enacted in 1987. Public hospitals were for the public and government sponsored so someone in government had the foresight to provide some semblance of health care for those unable to pay.

          7. sandraleesmith46 says

            What you, like many other libs seem to NOT understand is that health care is NOT a “right”; it’s a PRIVILEGE for which SOMEONE has to pay! Emergency care has never been denied since long before I was born, but anything else is out of SOMEONE’S pocket! No one else is obligated to pay for your non-emergency care. Private as well as public hospitals provided genuine emergency care way before ’87, unless you mean closer to 1887; it was in place when my Mom was a student nurse, and still there when I started. What the gov’t had the “foresight” to do is pick other’s pockets, to pay for non-emergency care!

          8. Bobby Harris says

            You referred to a law being in place before the 30’s I asked you what law are you referring to. There was an emergency care law passed in 1987 that prohibited hospitals from denying services based on ability pay. This law was passed presumably because people were being denied emergency care. I could be wrong but I doubt it. It would be a real stretch for me to believe that you know for a fact that no one has been denied emergency treatment especially since I have read and saw documentaries of real people being turned away at the emergency room and saw in the newspaper where paramedics were instructed to take a person across town to a county hospital . Public hospitals are obligated to provide services in addition to emergencies regardless of ability to pay, this service is dispensed without charge in some cases because public hospitals are supported by the tax paying public. I know that you and many others view healthcare as a privilege but that doesn’t make you right. Most advanced countries believe it’s a right and provide healthcare for their citizens and don’t bother to tell me how bad it is because studies have proven that in every measurable category their quality of life ranks higher in fact our rank indicates that we are a third world country. A nation is only as healthy as it’s people

          9. sandraleesmith46 says

            Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit. I don’t know it’s name, or if my Mom did, just that here were laws in place when she was a student nurse in the late ’30s because she and I talked about such things when I was coming across them as a student nurse in the mid ’60s.

          10. jimmy midnight says

            Bobby–The fact that, presumably white, Parke Messier, is certain people R never turned away from ER’s, whereas U know they have been, speaks for itself. So my apologies 2 U for lack of awareness.

            What U have 2 say is believable. What Messier says is actually irrelevant anyway, because health-care bills can lead 2 dispossession.

          11. Parke Messier says

            I live in the same world as you but apparently you aren’t paying attention. Emergency rooms do NOT turn people away. Period, end of story. It’s true that hospital bills can be devastating which is why, before Obamacare, one would buy CATASTROPHIC coverage as opposed to one-size-fits-all Obamacare insurance, where you are covered for things like sex-change surgery. Or gynecological care even though you’re a guy. Or obstetric care even though you’re past menopause. But you’re paying through the nose for these services anyway because, basically, you’re paying for these services for someone else!!!!! It is literally crazy. And it pisses people off. Why should I pay for your sex-change operation???!!!! I don’t want to and I shouldn’t have to. Pay for your own medical care!! Before Obamacare, there was a safety net in place for the poor which we were all already underwriting – lots of entitlement programs to address the poor. You are throwing out a lot of specious arguments that I’ve been hearing from liberals for YEARS. Infant death for example. If you look at the details behind the infant death statistic, you will find that the overwhelming majority of infant deaths are babies born from addicted mothers. Those babies never had a chance. And it had NOTHING to do with lack of access to medical care. Deductibles under Obamacare are sky-rocketing, some as high as $7,000.00 and climbing!!! I’m 62 years old and I’ve never spent $7000.00 in any given year on non-elective health care!!!!! In other words, under Obamacare, I would never reach my deductible!!!!! If countries with socialized health care have such a superior system, according to you, why is it that people from countries with socialized health care come here for major medical procedures if they can possibly afford it???!!!!!!!! Because that is in fact the case. You’re throwing out a lot of statements without supporting data. I can’t speak to data on life spans (doubt you can either) but a lot of factors figure in to life span. We live in an industrialized country with mass-produced and/or genetically modified foods. All of this makes for food lacking in the nutritional value of the food our grandparents ate. Third world countries have an advantage over us in that regard. They still eat chickens and eggs from chickens who forage. Their dairy is from pastured cows. All very important nutrionally. Their seeds are heirloom seeds, not genetically modified as are most seeds in this country. At this point, unless something is marked as certified organic, it has been genetically modified – not a good or healthful thing. Drug use is rampant in this country. So the life span argument is also specious.

            The taxpayer will ALWAYS pay for the poor, whether it be in the form of medical care or food or housing or anything else. That is the way it has always been. But Obamacare will eventually make EVERYONE poor because it will bankrupt the country. There are better, more intelligent, more efficient and less expensive ways to take care of the poor. Thankfully we now have an administration, headed by extremely brilliant and capable people, which will address the myriad problems caused by the crazies on the left. I feel like I’ve awakened from a nightmare that lasted for 8 very long years. Actually longer than that because the Bushes and Slick Willy didn’t do the country any favors either. But the last 8 years have been particularly disturbing .

          12. Bobby Harris says

            There is nothing more irritating to me than someone who makes an all encompassing statement without any proof what so ever. Hospitals have and do turn away people without insurance and have received fines for doing so.. It’s documented and you can google it. There is a law that was passed because hospitals were denying service if you couldn’t afford to pay or had insurance , you can google this too. I pay for schools though I don’t have any children attending , we pay for a number of services we don’t use. You do know that people who get insurance through the exchanges have to pay premiums and the insurance isn’t free for them and they work and pay taxes?. Before you start praising the new administration let’s wait and see what the replacement after the repeal cost you.

          13. Parke Messier says

            You can be irritated all you want Bobby Harris. The fact of the matter is that EMERGENCY ROOMS will never turn someone away. I repeat: emergency rooms. Never. That is a fact, whether you like it or not. Medicaid is available for the poor and the indigent. No one ever has to be turned away. Do some people slip through the cracks? Undoubtedly so. It is unfortunate but it happens. We don’t live in utopia and to expect utopia is delusional. But we can have a system which reaches the most people possible without bankrupting the country and destroying the quality and quantity of medical services which we have enjoyed. Except for the veterans of course. They haven’t enjoyed excellent medical services. Another whole disgusting subject which must be fixed. There has always been a safety net for the poor and that is as it should be. Do you really think that the best and the brightest are going to choose to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and MANY years of study to become a doctor/specialist only to have the government tell them what procedures will be allowed, what medications will be administered and how much that doctor can charge for his/her services??!!!!!! The answer is a resounding NO. They will choose another profession. Why should they bother when a bureaucratic panel in Washington D.C. will have replaced the doctor for all intents and purposes??!! “You can keep your doctor; you can keep your health plan”. Yeah, right. I knew that was a lie right out of the gate and so did millions of other Americans. We weren’t the idiots that Jonathan Gruber was referencing in his arrogant remarks. I’ll never forget Obama saying that some people will just have to take a pain pill. So, if you’re too old according to the panel in D.C., or if you’re just too sick according to the panel in D.C., or maybe you’re a little too conservative perhaps??, maybe you’re voting record doesn’t please the panel in D.C.??, you get the pain pill instead of the procedure. The concept is bone-chilling and reeks of fascism. The system that we had before Obamacare was FAR superior to what we are enduring right now and, thank God, very smart people will attempt to fix it.

          14. Richard says

            i could not agree more . I went to the hospital the other day to get an x-ray . The emergency room was totally filled with a bunch of illegals – with their families and extended families and on and on and on…. They only spoke spanish … I’m sure they think it’s all free – but you and I know who is paying . I hate obama .

          15. Parke Messier says

            Yep Richard. Those people you saw in the emergency room were probably all illegal. So they aren’t paying taxes; they’re just sucking the blood out of the American taxpayer. It makes me so mad. I have to pray about my feelings for Obama because they are so negative! He is an arrogant, ignorant, lying marxist. He is a destroyer and a purveyor of evil. January 20 cannot come too soon.

          16. Bobby Harris says

            They don’t make laws because a few people fell through the crack. They don’t debate healthcare or the lack there of for over a decade if the system was so great. Everyone agreed the healthcare system needed reform to include all citizens so you are alone in thinking that what we had before was great. You are also in a small minority who thinks the ER provides healthcare, The US is one of the last develop countries that don’t have universal healthcare and rank with third world countries when the benefits of healthcare are compared so you are wrong on that front. As I said before I will wait and see what the smart people come up with. If it’s as Trump say that it would include everyone, then great. That kinda sounds like universal healthcare. We will see

          17. Parke Messier says

            Um no, I’m not alone. Tens of millions of people agreed with me, as evidenced by the fact that Donald Trump is the President-elect and ran, SPECIFICALLY, on the repeal and replacement of Obamacare. Obamacare did not receive a single Republican vote. Not one. Our previous healthcare system did in fact provide for all citizens. Maybe it didn’t provide for all citizens in the way that YOU would like, but it did provide for all citizens, even the poor. I don’t care if the entire universe has socialized healthcare and the U.S. doesn’t. Are you going to jump off the cliff just because all of the sheep in front of you are also jumping off???!!!!!! That is not an argument. Well, I suppose it’s an argument but an ignorant one. Our health care, prior to Obama, was the envy of the world. Again, if one could afford it, one travelled to the U.S. to have serious procedures done, especially from countries with socialized health care systems! And the reason is because in socialized health care countries, either the procedure isn’t available because it is cost-prohibitive, or, the patient will die before they can get the needed procedure scheduled so they come to the U.S! Insurance is a BUSINESS, invented in a capitalist economic system. Insurance isn’t a right; it is a choice, like buying a car or a microwave oven. You can buy insurance or not buy insurance, depending on need and economic ability. Insurance of all types and varieties are available in the free market. Under Obamacare, you are REQUIRED to either buy insurance or pay a fine. Not exactly a capitalist, free-market concept. And, even then, it is insurance, NOT health care. So the government is requiring the individual to purchase extremely expensive health insurance, in many cases unaffordable health insurance, and then the deductibles are so ridiculously high that you never reach the deductible!!! So the individual is simply gouged with mandatory health insurance costs AND the cost of the service itself because you never reach the deductible!!!! So no. The previous system was far superior and I know MANY people who feel the same way. Sure, the insurance business needed some reforms – a few tweaks was all that was needed. But it certainly didn’t need the fascist overhaul that is Obamacare. The reason that laws are created is for control. And the reason that Obamacare was passed by a Democrat Congress and signed into law by a Democrat president was for the purpose of controlling one-sixth of the American economy. THAT was the reason it was passed. The liberals put a lot more than health-related language in that abomination of a bill. And the reason they did that was because they thought it would give them permanent control of the government and the people. Power. Self-interested power to be specific. When you control the ultimate decision over life or death, that is ultimate control, ultimate power. And that is exactly why Obamacare was passed by the Democrats, without, as I said above, a SINGLE Republican vote. This albatross hangs exclusively around the necks of the crazy left and they have come to feel the deadly weight of it as the country is now red except for California, with its huge population of illegal, voting aliens, NYC and a few other large municipalities and sanctuary cities, again with their illegal aliens who vote . . . . . Not only did we hold our majorities in the House and Senate, in spite of the illegal voting, we regained the White House and we have overwhelmingly increased our governorships, statewide legislatures and municipal leadership positions throughout the country. There are only 5 states remaining with Democrat governors! That should tell you something. The Democrat Party has decimated itself with its ill-conceived, socialist, atheist agenda. And it will continue to do so as long as it continues in its delusion that America is a socialist, atheist nation. In November, the people utterly rejected the policies of the last 8 years. And if you didn’t hear that roar, you are deaf.

          18. Bobby Harris says

            If you drive a car in all but one state you are required to have insurance or pay a fine or your licenses are revoked. Is that a free market concept? People travel from this country to other countries for procedures and medications because of the high costs here. It maybe true that we have the best healthcare system in the world but it’s only true if you can afford it. Millions of Americans couldn’t afford insurance for healthcare or were denied for various reasons. Insurance is a choice , healthcare is a right. The same problems you are citing about universal healthcare also happen under the old system and continue to happen. Your insurance dictate your quality of care. Compare Cal. with any red state on any economic, education, healthcare, income. or any other category that indicates the health and wealth of a state and it’s no comparison . Texas is said to be the state most representative of conservative ideology and Cal for liberals. Compare the two in your next post.

          19. Parke Messier says

            But you don’t have to buy a car Bobby Harris!!!!! Another specious argument on your part!!!! You aren’t required by law to buy a car; therefore, you aren’t on the hook for insurance!!!!! If you make the personal, individual decision to buy a car, then yes, you will need insurance. You also aren’t required by law to buy a gun, but if you do buy a gun there are laws pertaining to gun ownership. This is COMPLETELY different from the government REQUIRING everyone to buy health insurance. And health care is not a right. We are lucky that we live in the U.S., where our country was founded on judeo-christian precepts and our culture developed as a God-fearing, God-loving people. There are some who don’t feel that way, obviously, but that is the exception and not the rule. Most Americans believe that all should have access to medical care because we are a compassionate, God-loving people. But health care is not a right, any more than owning a home is a right, or a car or a TV. We have become so entitled and lazy as a nation, because of out-of-control welfare programs, that many believe that these things are rights. They are not. As the apostle Paul said to the Thessalonians: “For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: ‘If a man will not work, he shall not eat'”. 2 Thess 10. Interestingly, Obamacare is a system where a government panel in D.C. would determine who would receive medical care and who would receive a pain pill. A very large step away from the concept that everyone has access to medical care!!! Under the old, superior system, anyone could go to the emergency room and receive care, regardless of insurance or ability to pay. Period. You can argue all you want but that is fact. This is still the case of course. But it was also the case pre-Obamacare. There was access for everyone. I agree that sometimes Americans do go to other countries for health services but it is because they’re looking for alternative, homeopathic remedies and approaches. But is more often the other way around. Foreigners are desperate to get here for medical care. I can speak personally about the inferior quality of health care in socialized countries. My son had a terrible and frightening experience abroad when a friend had a serious health emergency and went to the hospital there. It was not good. Not a SOUL in the emergency room. Literally no one. My son went on a search to find a warm body to help, walking up and down halls calling for anyone!! It took him about 30 minutes to find someone. Thank God the friend didn’t die while my son was trying to find a person to help. And that is typical of what you will find in countries with socialized medicine. I know of other instances as well but too long to go into here. Socialized medicine will destroy the quality of health care that Americans have come to know and expect, with exceptions of course, but for the overwhelming majority, the expectation and experience.

            Am scratching my head over your contention that Californians are so wealthy and prosperous! California has been BLEEDING from the grand exodus of business, aka jobs and tax revenues, for YEARS!!!! California would be bankrupt if not for government subsidization!!!! Oh my goodness Bobby Harris. Seriously? And with the influx of millions of illegal aliens into that state, it will only get worse. San Francisco, sanctuary city, is about to lose its government funding under a Trump administration! Education in California is deplorable based on my observation. The people there are blithering idiots! I’ve seen so many man-on-the-street interviews and it is disturbing. To say the least. They are clueless about basic economics, American history, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, current affairs and grammar. It is seriously scary. Crazy, leftist, California seems determined to commit suicide. At any rate, Obama has been desperately trying to overwhelm Texas with illegals, in order to turn Texas blue. But that “ain’t gonna happen” with the Trump administration running things now. Thank God. And all you have to do is research the data of those States run by democrats and those run by republicans. You will find that red States prosper and blue States need government subsidies. Michigan, Wisconsin and Philadelphia all went Trump. And all are traditionally blue States. There is a reason those States went Trump and it wasn’t because of Russia . . . . .

          20. Bobby Harris says

            You seem to think that the ACA means free insurance that these people do not pay premiums or work and pay taxes. You equate being served in the ER with healthcare, you think your personal experience hold true for the world, you dismiss facts in favor of your experiences. Even if there were not documented cases of people being turned away from emergency rooms or the fact that a law was enacted because of this practice, how could you possibly know that no one has ever been denied service at an emergency room because of the lack of insurance. As I read your comments it is now clear to me that you are confusing opinions with facts. Apparently the people in the country your son visited were pretty healthy and the hospital really efficient if there was not a soul in the emergency room and he walked for thirty minutes before finding some one to help. Depending on what the emergency is it’s not unusual to sat in an emergency room here for hours before seeing a doctor, it is unusual here though to not find a SOUL in an emergency room. I asked you to compare the economies, income, education, percent of citizens insured, and you give me your opinion of Cal and none of it is true. I asked you if Medicare and Medicade were attempts by the government to control you since you think the ACA is. There are several reasons those states went red , States also changed in 2008 and 2012 and will probably change again in 2020.

          21. Parke Messier says

            The ACA is anything BUT free!!!!!! People are paying through the nose for their Obamacare, which is why the country overwhelming wants it repealed and replaced!! By the way, all of those millions of “new” enrollees that the Obama administration loves to cite are, in the overwhelming majority, enrollees who were previously on Medicaid!!!! Did you know that?!!!! They aren’t new to the health care system; they’re just previous Medicaid subscribers! The numbers that the administration tries to throw at an uninformed and gullible public are, like the unemployment numbers, a lot of baloney. In other words, those previous Medicaid recipients are not paying into the system; they’re being paid for, theoretically, by the young, healthy enrollees who are the fantasy of the Obama administration and Jonathan Gruber. Because young, healthy people aren’t enrolling in Obamacare! It’s too expensive, they don’t need all of that coverage because they’re young and healthy and they would rather pay the fine which, at the moment, is cheaper than a policy!! As a result, the insurance companies have lost BILLIONS of dollars which is why they have all opted out of the system! Obamacare is dying under its own weight, as all socialist programs inevitably do. The government eventually runs out of other people’s money!!! This is not rocket science. Your argument about other countries having such a healthy population that they don’t need anyone handling triage, not even a receptionist, NO ONE, in the emergency room is so silly that I will not address it. I do not confuse opinion with fact; that is what you are doing! Which is standard operating procedure for liberals – they never let facts get in the way of their positions!!! Cite some of your documentation about emergency rooms denying care and then we’ll talk. What’s the law you’re referring to? Let me guess . . . . Obamacare??? Yes, Medicare and Medicaid are socialist programs and they are bankrupt. Big surprise. Both must be overhauled, but not with another fascist, socialist boondoggle. My statements about California are absolutely true. Instead of dismissing facts because they are inconvenient, educate yourself. Stop reading the NYT and/or listening to CNN or MSNBC. You will never be informed if that’s where you get your information. Actually it can’t even be called information – it’s narrative, propaganda. Worthless.

          22. Bobby Harris says

            As usual you are wrong the medicaid expansion included those who fell between the cracks and were not insured at all. I guess you don’t recognize sarcasm when you see it. Who would believe that you go into a hospital and not find anyone to help for thirty minutes and not find a soul, people in need of help or people needing help. You give me a plausible reason this will occur. The unemployment numbers are tallied the same by the same dept as in the past but gullible people listen to Hannity and others from the right who say what about the 93 million who dropped out, what they don’t tell you is 45 million retired,20mill are in school 20mill opt to stay home to take care of families. The unemployment numbers are what they are it’s evident they are better by the improvements in the economy and the fact that everyone who post here including you tell of their success and their children’s success, I have never read a post here where someone said they lost a job, a house, or needed assistance of any kind but yet everyone complaints about how bad things are.

          23. Parke Messier says

            Okay Bobby. Live in your world of willful delusion. I’m not a liar and was not lying about my son’s experience. Facts are always difficult things for liberals. If you will note, I said the MAJORITY of those millions touted by the administration were just recycled Medicaid subscribers. That is fact; check the data. The unemployment numbers are tallied by the same governmental agency – that is true. But another specious argument by you. That’s like arguing, as the liberals love to do, that Hillary provided some 30,000 emails to investigators. Well, she could’ve provided a MILLION emails; the quantity is irrelevant. The question isn’t how many she provided but which ones!!!!! She deleted a whole bunch which she admitted and some of which have been retrieved. Those that were retrieved demonstrate why they were deleted! She was trying to hide massive pay-to-play machinations with foreign hostile governments and other nefarious players. Also she was trying to hide the machinations pertaining to the disgrace that was Benghazi: arms- running to known terrorist organizations in the Middle East. Same kind of spurious argument. Who cares who tallies the numbers?!!! Completely irrelevant. The MANNER in which those numbers are compiled was changed, BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, such that those who want a job, have given up looking for a job but are still unemployed, are no longer included in the unemployment data!!! Also, the new system includes seasonal workers, such as young people taking a part-time job at Christmas, and part-time workers, also people who work 2 and 3 jobs just to make ends meet. Those are counted as 2 and 3 jobs, even though they are held by the same person!!!!!!! So the jobs numbers are completely phony. And government officials admit as much. The real unemployment number is 10% or higher. Again, fact. Inconvenient for you, but fact just the same. You are welcome to continue to see 2+2, come up with 5 and be certain that you are right. A problem that is unique to liberals. But I can’t have a debate with someone who denies reality. It’s a futile exercise.

          24. Bobby Harris says

            Every indicator of the job market agree that the unemployment rate by acceptable measure is under 5%. As usual you cite examples as if you know what you are talking about and you really don’t . How pray tell does a person holding 2 or 3 jobs lower the
            employment rate or be used to calculate the unemployment rate. That is just as far fetched as your son’s experience. No matter who or how the unemployment rate is calculated that is not a part of the formula. If the unemployment rate is at 10% the economy is certainly doing much better than it was doing at the reported 9.5 % when Obama took office. Again you are confusing opinion with facts, what proof is there that she was trying to hide anything, if she was guilty of wrong doing she would have been tried and convicted . You can continue to live in your opinionated fact free world but when you cite examples make them somewhat believable, not all people who frequent this site are gullible

          25. Parke Messier says

            Okay, I don’t know where you’re getting your information but, as usual, you are misinformed. It is mind-boggling how misinformed you are. My suggestion to you is that you tune in to Fox Business and get educated about what is really going on.

          26. Bobby Harris says

            i never had a doubt as to where you get your information from, Fox is a major reason this country is divided today. In a townhouse meeting during the election Hannity made the claim that 93 million people had dropped out of the workforce and were not being counted as unemployed. What he didn’t bother to tell the audience was that 45mil had reached retirement age and left , 20 mil had chosen to continue their education, 15mil chose to stay home and take care of family members. The uninformed and those that rely on one source for news such as yourself keep this lie going. As bias as Fox is they will not agree with you that people holding 2 and 3 jobs bolster the unemployment numbers, if anything it would push the number up because it takes away 1 or 2 jobs that 1 or 2 unemployed people could have had. I get news from several sources and all those sources agree that unemployment is down, the labor pool is shrinking, wages are rising and recruiters are competing for talent. You argue vehemently, that there are no jobs but yet you blame people in need of help for not working. How do you explain that?

          27. Parke Messier says

            You sound like Obama!! No, Fox is NOT the reason the country is so divided. OBAMA is the reason we are so divided. He is a bigoted, marxist liar. I have NEVER experienced such a divisive President and I’ve been around for a while! He has been an utter disaster of a President; the absolute worst in the history of the country, followed closely by Jimmy Carter. He foments anarchy, as any good “community organizer”, aka rabble rouser, would do. His economic policies have strangled and suffocated small business, and Obamacare is impoverishing the middle class. The middle class has collapsed under Obama, by marxist design, and the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Government statistics bear this out. Actually I don’t watch FoxNews, I watch Fox Business. And I would recommend that you do the same so that you can become an informed voter. Your understanding of economics is poor. First of all, the labor pool is NOT shrinking!! That is precisely my point! The Obama administration is telling you that the labor pool is shrinking based on the massaged unemployment numbers!! The fact of the matter is that there are millions of people on the sidelines who have given up looking for a job!! They want a job; they just can’t find one! But, as of 2008 when Obama ascended the throne, they are no longer counted in the unemployment number!! Do you understand this? Almost half of the country is on food stamps – the highest number since the Great Depression! This is a fact Bobby. I don’t just throw things against the wall and hope it will stick. Look it up. Unemployment numbers: If one person has to hold down 2 and 3 jobs just to make ends meet, the net result is that those 2 and 3 jobs equal ONE job just to make ends meet. I repeat: JUST TO MAKE ENDS MEET. But the Obama administration is counting those 3 jobs as 3 GOOD jobs created! The perception is 3 jobs for 3 people which pay a good wage when it’s really one net job for one person that is barely putting food on the table!!!!!! Come on Bobby. This is basic stuff. You are obviously intelligent enough that you are at least thinking about these things. The problem is that you aren’t seeing them properly because you aren’t equipped with the facts. You’re drinking the Kool-Aid. You’re adding 2+2 and coming up with 5. Instead of digging in your heels with liberal propaganda, just give another way of thinking a try. It will be liberating, I promise you.

            P.S. Wages are NOT rising!!!! Where do you get this stuff????!!!!! Seriously. That is simply false. Watch Fox Business. You will be shocked at how off course your information is.

          28. Bobby Harris says

            You can’t change facts, Your information didn’t come from Fox News or any other legitimate source. Google how the unemployment rate is calculated to see how ludicrous you sound. Google if wages are rising. You can google any of your claims to find out you are wrong on every count,

          29. Parke Messier says

            Nope, you’re wrong. Wages are not rising and my post above is correct, except for one thing! I’m so glad you responded because I just caught it. The number of people on food stamps is not 50% of the country but 50 million people, a shockingly large number. Sorry about that mistake; I was thinking about too many things at once, a bit of a glitch there. Glad to make that correction! Anyway, everything else is correct. The method by which the Obama administration calculates the unemployment number, which is unique to this administration, EXCLUDES those who are no longer working but want a job. The labor participation rate is the lowest it has been in many decades. The unemployment number also counts part-time, seasonal, basically non-living wage jobs in the number and the one person working multiple jobs scenario I described in my post above. This is all fact. Fox Business. I highly recommend it for factual information. There are also lots of online news services which report factual information.

          30. Bobby Harris says

            You are so confused the latest report on food stamp receipients was 12/09/2016 and the number was 43.6 million and falling at the fastes rate in history, you can google this. I couldn’t find the 50 million you cited anywhere on the Internet and Trump stated in August of 2016 that it was around 43 million. The exclusion is those who have not looked for work in 4 weeks. True the labor participation rate is at it’s lowest but there are several reasons for that with the chief reason being the baby boomers are retiring from the workforce, more people opt to go to college delaying their entry to the workforce, and more people staying home to take care of family members and with families becoming smaller and the birth rate dropping labor participation is expected to continue to decline for decades to come. The other factors you list on how the unemployment rate is calculated are not new and not unique to the Obama administration . You say wages are not rising tell me your source because I could not find any site that verified your claim but if you google ” Are wages rising in the US”, you will find several sites that verify not only my claim that wages are rising but also the unemployment rate, and a strong job market. You are the person described in this article, you don’t know five facts about anything so you will believe whatever you are told as long as it’s what you want to believe.

          31. Parke Messier says

            You live in the land of delusion Bobby Harris. Good luck with that –

          32. Bobby Harris says

            That’s not how this go. You are suppose to give me a source to verify your claims and refute mine. Your response suggest you took my advice and googled for answers and found just how wrong you are on all accounts.

          33. Parke Messier says

            Didn’t google anything. By the way Bobby Harris, where are YOUR sources??!!!!! My sources are government data! My sources are government officials and top economists! Go to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and research how they calculate the data! An article in the Huffington Post, not exactly a conservative news outlet, quotes Keith Hall, who is the former head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and who states EXACTLY what I have been trying to tell you. Check out,, and all of which state the same thing. The Politifact article in particular discusses the statistic, now referred to as the U-6 rate, and which measures unemployment EXACTLY as I tried to explain to you above. The U-6 rate is the old measurement, BEFORE the Obama administration changed the way the unemployment number was calculated, in order to obfuscate the truth. The U-6 statistic is the accurate statistic, as opposed to Obama’s phony unemployment numbers. Under Obama, the quarterly jobs number average never reached 200,000, which is the universally accepted number for a U.S. economy that is growing and an employment rate that is healthy. And 200,000 good, permanent jobs is the MINIMUM number. Under Obama, the economy has grown at approximately 2% or lower!!! That is barely breathing!!! This is basic stuff that any economist will tell you. These are statistics that anyone can look up. These numbers are reported regularly on any business channel you might choose. Get with the program Bobby Harris. If you want to go through life with blinders on, that’s your choice. But it isn’t very intelligent.

          34. Richard says

            Bobby Harris does not understand that the obama administration changed the formula of how unemployment is determined . This was done to produce the answer ( low unemployment percentage ) that they wanted.

          35. Parke Messier says

            Richard, that is absolutely correct. They have massaged the numbers to order to achieve the narrative they want to present to a gullible and un-informed public, such as Bobby Harris. Just like the phony recovery, the phony Obamacare numbers, the phony Benghazi scenario. It’s all smoke and mirrors, which people like Bobby Harris swallow, hook line and sinker.

          36. Richard says

            it’s obvious that Bobbie Harris is on the receiving end of the ACA and does not pay for his health care – I doubt he ever paid for anything in his life .

          37. Richard says

            it’s easy to explain – democrats want people dependent on government
            republicans want the government to be dependent people .

          38. Parke Messier says

            Exactly right Richard. And the reason the democrats want the citizenry dependent on government is because it increases the power of the political elite. They want the citizenry ill-educated, mis-informed and dependent. That’s the way the politicians maintain their wealth and power.

          39. Richard says

            are you kidding me – healthcare is a right – when did that happen ?

          40. Bobby Harris says

            When man was created

          41. jimmy midnight says

            Yes, but, in the wake of your ER visit, U could easily become dispossessed of house and home on account of health-care bills.

            I can predict with total confidence that one day, even the dingbat reactionary USA will join the civilized world in having a system of socialized medicine.

            Whether that will happen in our lifetimes is more conjectural.

          42. sandraleesmith46 says

            Nothing civilized about socialized medicine; look at the VA, a LOT more closely, because that’s what it is! And it works just as “well” in the rest of the civilized world too.

          43. jimmy midnight says

            I stand by what I just said. Just a little way down here, Bobby Harris cites some facts’n’figures–ones not cherry picked B 4 being transmitted to gullibles like yourself.

            So, we’ll have 2 agree 2 disagree.

          44. sandraleesmith46 says

            Stand wherever you like! I will fight socialized medicine tooth and nail under . Whatever deceptive label it’s presented. I’m a retired nurse, and a veteran, so I know full well what it is and what it won’t do!

          45. sandraleesmith46 says

            It’s also what universal coverage is; and that’s what’s wrong with the VA system now; think it’s going to work better for a larger number of people?

          46. Oldcamaros says

            Ssndra, You have no call to trash VA like that.

            I’m a Vietnam Purple-Heart combat veteran (non-disabled) and have received world-class primary care (and more) from VA for over 10 years. Enrollment delays aside, I won’t cotton to anyone criticizing (or under-funding) the VA.

            Also, the many Medicare recipients I know pay for their health care and are quite happy with it.

          47. sandraleesmith46 says

            It’s not about trashing the VA, so much as honest assessment. I have been in the system for about 20 years, and seen both good and bad. As a nurse, retired now, my perspective may be a bit different than yours.

        2. Tiger says

          I am an RN for close to 30 years hospitals are not allowed to turn anyone away until they get them stable. In the front of every phone book in every town and city across this country are pages of health and mental health offered by the government and the county and the state. I know where I live these people all get health of every kind and even have their babies delivered, free care from then on and money too boot.

          In every city is a State Hospital and if you are medical you know it and yes we had resources the docs used to decide if it was a good idea for a patient to have a surgery or not but they were not having to listen to a Panel of people who told them if their decision the right one or not and having worked in every field imaginable as a nurse and manager on up the line I know that this care took out many very good cancer medications so you can tell it to others who will buy it.

          As to O care it was always meant to lead to a One Payer system and Stalin’s signature legislation was National Health care ask the Russians who lived through it how that turned out. As to a solution they already have it and no the Constitution does not say everyone deserves health care it says all of us created equal and make our own way. Everyone can get healthcare when needed but to be given healthcare to everyone is ludicrous. Work everyone needs to work, be responsible for themselves and to those who served they paid their dues and were promised that care and they are dying by the score.

          1. sandraleesmith46 says

            Well said and spot on! Health care is a privilege, not a “right” for any of us. Giving it universally to those who don’t pay for it is folly.

          2. Bobby Harris says

            What hospitals are allowed to do and what hospitals do are two different things entirely, there have been documentaries about people being denied services because of lack of insurance, here in Chicago paramedics were instructed to take an individual to the county hospital miles away, the patience died in route. There are towns all over this country that are miles from a state hospital and I would venture to say more than a few people have died in route to one. These towns are serviced by private health care Corp . who are not obligated to render free service. If you are truly in the health care profession which I doubt, you would know that everyone is not physically or mentally able to work and it’s ludicrous to say everyone can get healthcare when needed when so many people die because of lack of health care and If health care is so readily available free of charge why are any of us paying these high premiums and why would 20 million people signup for coverage pay the high premiums when there are so many government and state ran facilities offering these services for free? There must be a reason wouldn’t you think

          3. Tiger says

            There are documentaries about everything but it is indeed the law of this country for any doctors office, private or otherwise along with any hospital private of otherwise to make sure a patient is stable before sending them off to the County Hospital. I know because I have worked all of them and emergencies have come through, even one for an illegal who had a translator with him ran into our Men’s Specialty Clinic cause he had a problem with his penis and he couldn’t pee and not only seen but taken to St. Vincent Hospital where he had a surgery costing us thousands. Everyday across this country our ER’s filled with illegals and indigent and they get taken care of before transferred.

            The little towns you speak of couldn’t get any smaller than where I live miles from any facilities and yet the people call 9/11 get the service and taken to the ER and then onto the County hospital from there to county and state clinics.

            And I sincerely doubt you are a health professional asshole and if you are you are a stupid bleeding heart liberal which explains why you don’t know shit from shinola about the services offered by your state and county.

            Those who cannot work get disability and they get food stamps and again they get free everything. I help women and people in my rural area and I know what is available and so do they you might want to learn so you can help these unfortunate people get their disability and onto all the programs offered.

            Since you doubted my being an RN this conversation if over. Nobody calls me a liar.

          4. Tiger says

            In that picture that is me next to the tall good looking guy not only am I an RN but an officer in the Army Combat Support nurse corps since 1988 and served in two wars. I don’t lie.

          5. Bobby Harris says

            Please google “The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act “You will see when and why the law was created, who it applies to, under what circumstances, the fines imposed on hospitals for violating it and a Dr’s plea that the government enforces it. Even if you are /were a nurse it doesn’t mean you know everything about the health care industry.

          6. Tiger says

            I was and am and you don’t know everything either now do you?

          7. Bobby Harris says

            I know enough to know what I don’t know and to admit that I was wrong about what I thought I knew.

          8. Tiger says

            And I know what I know and I know what I saw and I know what I know cause I still help people out in the boonies where I live.

            What you know I don’t accept because it is not what I know so there ya have it. Admit you admitted to nothing except that you knew something I didn’t know and then you insulted me and called me a liar about being an RN.

          9. Bobby Harris says

            That’s your
            problem, you only except what you know and that’s very little. You are right I didn’t admit to being wrong because I was not wrong. What I was saying is after being proven wrong I know to admit it. Unlike you who can’t except being wrong

          10. Tiger says

            I believe it is you who is taking only what you know and attempting to make it something more than it is. Do you deny that the majority of hospitals across this country follow the laws related to patching a person up prior to sending them to a County Hospital? Do you deny that when someone calls 9/11 that they get the help they need or do those working the meat wagon just let them die because they check their insurance first? Do you deny that people all over this country who are injured in accidents and taken to hospitals are denied the care they need in the at the scene, in the ambulance and in the hospitals they are taken to? Do you deny that there is such a thing as a Victims program that will pay the bills for anyone who has been injured by a criminal? Do you deny that hospitals are given millions of dollars to give indigent care? Do you deny that the phone book is filled with clinics for the poor that are sponsored by the County and State? Do you deny that for every PP in a city there are 15 State and County clinics that offer more care?

            So you best to learn what is out there and then talk to me because I am not the one in denial and I am not wrong.

          11. Tiger says

            Florida alone list of free and low cost health care for people without insurance. This is the same across the country. There are even programs throughout the country that will pay for chemotherapy for those who can’t afford it and it is the Big Drug Companies that offer it and when working Baptist Cancer Institute in Jacksonville, Florida I had all these lists of free medications, free chemotherapy, free everything, you should look into it.


          12. Bobby Harris says

            I guess trying to provide affordable quality healthcare is a big to do about nothing. People are so lazy that they would rather die than take advantage of all the free healthcare available. I really don’t know why anyone would bother with insurance since the same thing is available for free, Why do you have insurance Tiger, you of all people, you have information on all of these places that provide free healthcare ? I am not going to waste another day responding to your comments because you know you are wrong. There are hospitals and clinics , universities and other organizations supported by charities and the government that provide free services, in most cases you have to meet some qualifications to receive those services. With the exception of you, no one disputes the fact that the healthcare system does not meet the needs of the people. If all of this free care is available then what’s all the fuss about?

          13. Tiger says

            I worked for 40 plus years. I made sure when I went back to college for the last time that the career I chose would make me comfortable and financially sound for life. I became an RN and joined the Army Reserve in 1988. I payed for everything I have and I continue to pay for my health insurance.

            I don’t use these systems because I am financially sound, with the money I need to be partially retired these programs are for those who didn’t make wise decisions, or they lost everything due to some tragedy in their lives, or they are not capable of doing for themselves.

            Indeed what is all this fuss about? I will tell you a One Payer System where you pay for everyone else and the government decides who gets what service. Alinsky rules along with the ten tenants of Communism.

          14. Tiger says

            Where ya been? O and H are Progressives both praising Alinsky. Might want to take a look at UN Plan 21, 2030.

            Here is the complete list from Alinsky.

            * RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks
            you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people.
            “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things
            of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations
            always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so
            almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

            * RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in
            confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of
            anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address
            the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have
            no knowledge.)

            * RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”
            Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This
            happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are
            blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced
            to address.)

            * RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule
            is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill
            them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
            (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and
            reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not
            living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the

            * RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense.
            It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point
            to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh?
            They want to create anger and fear.)

            * RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing
            it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing,
            and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense,
            are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun”
            activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring

            * RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become
            old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited
            and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

            * RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things
            to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one
            approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack,
            attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to
            rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

            * RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
            Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any
            activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a
            worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’
            minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and
            energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions.
            The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in

            * RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and
            become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to
            your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used
            this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of
            unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath,
            often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to
            their side.)

            * RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive
            alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught
            without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the
            solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an
            agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a
            forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise

            * RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
            Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go
            after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
            (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and
            ridicule works.)

          15. Tiger says

            No I never said the healthcare system did not need reforms don’t put words into my posts that are not there. What I have said all along is O care is not the answer and that everyone agrees on especially now that the new premiums have hit.

            What I have said and proven is that indigent people, people without healthcare have always been taken care of in this country. What I am saying is the government should not be in the healthcare business. What I have said is people need to be responsible for themselves and stop looking to government to meet their every need. We are a Republic. Nowhere in any of our documents like I have said, is anyone promised healthcare, homes, food etc. Everyone has the freedom to do the best in life. For those who like I said can’t or don’t we have all these programs.

            What happens when the government controls your healthcare? You really believe that Socialized medicine works wonders for people? Guess again there are troubles with getting appointments, getting treatment in time to prevent death, on and on.

            Stalin’s signature legislation was National Health care. How did that work out for the Russian peons? By the way ever wonder why O and all government employees don’t have O care? Because it sucks.

          16. Bobby Harris says

            You are so wrong as usual , ten years ago one reputable study estimated that as many as 137000 Americans died prematurely due to the lack of health coverage between 2005 and 2010, The Institute of Medicine has estimated that uninsured adults are 25% more likely to die prematurely than those with coverage , with uninsured adults between 55 and 64 years old faring even worse. For them, being uninsured is the third most significant cause of death, behind only heart disease and cancer.
            Maybe you meant they were put away nicely after dying .

          17. Tiger says

            How many people are there in America? Do you know that thousands die each year from the flu? Something like 35,000. How many of these deaths you cite were actually due to the person not receiving care? Did they have heart disease? Diabetes? Where they smokers or drunks? What were the circumstances? So out of over all of our population 137,00 died prematurely.

            Maybe you ought to look at all the factors in those deaths. Maybe instead of just spewing stats without all the data you really don’t know why they died. Of course it goes to reason those who have good food, water and sense live longer and they don’t have to be rich to do it. You have lots of factors. Where do they live? Inner city, country, where? How did they spend their lives? In the country, growing gardens and fishing in springs and rivers etc or in a city? Did they eat fruits and veggies and meat and fish or did they eat out at fast food places, did they drink gallons of cokes and soft drinks? Did they not ever exercise or walk did they eat junk foods and sit at home with Welfare payments taking care of them? ON And ON.

            I grew-up for awhile in Texas. I knew people who didn’t even have a high school education. But they lived long good lives and know what? They didn’t have healthcare nor did they go to the dentist nor did I and I have been without insurance when poor and with insurance but you know what, I have NO cavities, I have been to the doctor in all my life since growing up and traveling and living all over the world only to have my children, or to the ER for accidents due to being an outdoor woman and in the past 20 plus years I have used my insurance so infrequently that I only have to use one hand to count the times.


          18. Bobby Harris says

            All the studies and available evidence is against your claim that people without healthcare are taken care of and no one dies because of lack of health care. I didn’t conduct the studies , you can google the Institute of Medicine and maybe they can tell you in more detail in the meantime link me to your source that proves your claim that people without insurance are adequately taken care of and that socialized healthcare doesn’t work. You sight your experience as if it’s the template for the country, it’s not, the country is much bigger than Shans hospital

          19. Tiger says

            You are skirting the issue. You are not rational. You have to look at the circumstances and then understand that is a small amount of deaths when compared to our population all together. You are not rational.

            Do you honestly believe all I ever worked was Shands? I was all over the place and I have been a Research nurse who sat in the boardrooms of huge hospitals looking at the finances and what we were getting to give indigent care and how we used it and how we transferred to the County hospitals.

            I have had a huge career in medicine and I know what I am talking about. You are not using logic you are using touchy feely and that is not what this is about..

          20. Bobby Harris says

            You tell that to the people that died maybe they would understand it better than me. For such a rich country that people are dying because of the lack of healthcare is ludicrous . Compare the death rate for lack of healthcare with countries that have national healthcare and we rank with third world countries that don’t have anywhere near the resources we have. With your seemly disdain for life and the welfare of someone other than yourself I find it hard to believe you were in the healthcare profession, especially as a nurse. You will never be confused with Florence Nightingale for sure

          21. Tiger says

            Again get this straight nobody is responsible for paying for housing, food, clothing, medical care or anything else for anyone in this country. It is nowhere in our Constitution, Bill of Rights or our Declaration of Independence. We are a Republic not a Democracy or a Communist country.

            You are again comparing nuts and oranges. I lived in Europe those countries with national healthcare are tiny compared to our huge country. Even then they are not happy, they die so again be rational and do the math our population vs theirs and then we have less deaths.

            I have shown no disdain for anything except those like you who want Socialism and Communism in our Republic. I did my job and God knows my heart I could care less what you think or any other liberal.

            When I meet my maker he knows what I have done, for h ow many and for how long judge not lest ye be judged by that you are judging.

          22. Bobby Harris says

            You are so wrong on all accounts and we would not be a society if we allowed our aged and poor to just die in the streets. We being the government are responsible and we pay taxes to see that those in need at least have the basic to substain life. You really speak in general terms, regardless to how small those countries are you couldn’t have spoken to enough people to say that the country was not happy with their healthcare, millions of people here are not happy with their healthcare.

          23. Richard Kraus says

            Tiger – once again you are right on the money – the utube link is perfect and shows anyone who watches it that socialistic health care is not the answer .

          24. Tiger says

            I try to show truth but some people twist anything to make themselves right. But then that is what they say of me so sometimes you can’t win.

          25. Tiger says

            Bobby I think you are a nice person with a good heart but you are not quit up to snuff on what all this Socialist/Communist talk really is. It is a pretty wrapped and misrepresented gift that when fully opened will explode into the monster it is and has shown itself to be throughout history.

            Why in the name of all that is holy would you people want to take our Republic and our way of life and turn it into the very thing people have run here to escape? Don’t you know that nothing is free? That we are the government? That we the people pay for everything you think is free? See this is reality vs dreams, your world has existed before and people suffered, always.

            Merry Christmas.

          26. Richard Kraus says

            Once again you hit the nail on the head – you are 110% correct – if people would only realize what we (still) have here in the USA is better than the rest .

          27. Tiger says

            Thank you if we would have gone down that road soon they would have understood. Let us pray that the never have that chance to understand.

          28. Bobby Harris says

            Of course I know that nothing is free, I’ve been telling you that through out our conversation but you keep insisting that free healthcare is available for the uninsured. We pay in tax dollars and the government decides how they are spent, 90 gazillion dollars for this weapon of mass destruction, 50 gazillion dollars in aid the country we just destroyed, all a waste of lives an resources and for what? This is acceptable and pose no danger to exploding into a monster but providing people with healthcare . Are you aware that the majority of the developed countries provide free health care to their citizens, Russia, France, UK, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Italy and on and on. If it is so bad why is it that most of the world provides it?. Your argument is a result of being brainwashed by politicians and the insurance industry coupled with your belief that people are undeserving of healthcare if they can’t afford it and they have other options. Like you say nothing is free, so you tax paying consumer pay for that other option and apparently it hasn’t occurred to you that people who can afford insurance choose not to and take advantage of the free services on your dime.

          29. Tiger says

            Good grief kiddo you again twist my words and yes the free I put up exist but it is only free because the tax payers pay for it. It is for the truly needy among us.

            We won in Iraq. It was stable. That is what even Biden said. O let it fall and ISIS rise from the ashes. That also is fact.

            I already addressed with you the truth behind the so called National Healthcare and obviously you didn’t even watch the video. It is not working in those countries either and they have private clinics and hospitals that their rich go to while the only ones using the so called insurance supplied by the country is the peons and they die.

            I am far from brainwashed OK I am through with this.

            Have a good day.


          30. Bobby Harris says

            What does this link have to do with my comment?

          31. Tiger says

            Merry Christmas

          32. Tiger says

            Free health and community clinics in Florida.

            Low income patients in Florida can get free or low cost health,
            medical, and dental care from local community clinics. These centers
            offer qualified individuals and families with access to numerous
            resources and services. While some of the services may be offered based
            on a sliding fee scale, many of the medical care programs are free.

            Below you will find a listing of primary Florida community clinics,
            the services they offer qualified individuals and more. Call them for
            prescription medications, checks ups, dental care, and information on
            various services and programs. The centers are mostly nonprofit
            outpatient facilities and are consumer based. They can provide basic
            health care to people across the state. Individuals without insurance or
            who meet low income guidelines set by the government may qualify for
            reduced rates or additional medical bill assistance.

            Clinics in Florida may offer immunizations, physical examinations,
            family planning, treatment of common ailments, lab work, and diagnosis
            for low income people. Other clients of the health centers tend to
            include uninsured/underinsured, homeless or other medically underserved
            residents. Many centers operate under the so called ability-to-pay
            basis, so patients pay what they can afford to for their bills, and
            sometimes services are free.

            In addition to the clinics listed below, there are other sites that
            operate in your county or town. Also, various dental clinics can help
            the low income. Learn more on dental clinics.

          33. Tiger says

            physician may not discontinue treatment of a patient as long as further
            treatment is medically indicated, without giving the patient reasonable
            assistance and sufficient opportunity to make alternative arrangements
            for care.” —World Medical Association, Declaration on the Rights of the Patient

            “The patient’s right of self-decision can be effectively exercised
            only if the patient possesses enough information to enable an
            intelligent choice….The physician has an ethical obligation to help
            the patient make choices from among the therapeutic alternatives
            consistent with good medical practice.” —American Medical Association, position statement on informed consent

            “Where a particular treatment, intervention, activity, or practice is
            morally objectionable to the nurse….the nurse is justified in
            refusing to participate on moral grounds….The nurse is obliged to
            provide for the patient’s safety, to avoid patient abandonment, and to
            withdraw only when assured that alternative sources of nursing care are
            available to the patient.”—American Nurses Association, Code of Ethics

            “A [physician assistant] has an ethical duty to offer each patient
            the full range of information on relevant options for their health care.
            If personal moral, religious, or ethical beliefs prevent a PA from
            offering the full range of treatments available or care the patient
            desires, the PA has an ethical duty to refer an established patient to
            another qualified provider. PAs are obligated to care for patients in
            emergency situations and to responsibly transfer established patients if
            they cannot care for them.” —American Academy of Physician Assistants, Guidelines for Ethical Conduct for the Physician Assistant Profession

            “[P]harmacists [should] be allowed to excuse themselves from
            dispensing situations which they find morally objectionable, but that
            removal from participation must be accompanied by responsibility to the
            patient and performance of certain professional duties which accompany
            the refusal….ensuring that the patient will be referred to another
            pharmacist or be channeled into another available health
            system….Pharmacists and their employers will need to develop processes
            that support the decision of the individual pharmacist while still
            providing the appropriate services the patient seeks.”—American Pharmacists Association, 1997-98 policy committee report on pharmacist conscience clause

            “Pediatricians should not impose their values on the decision-making
            process and should be prepared to support the adolescent in her decision
            or refer her to a physician who can….Should a pediatrician choose not
            to counsel the adolescent patient about sexual matters such as
            pregnancy and abortion, the patient should be referred to other
            experienced professionals.”—American Academy of Pediatrics, position statement on counseling the adolescent about pregnancy options

            “Nurses have the right, under responsible procedures, to refuse to
            assist in the performance of abortion and/or sterilization
            procedures….Nurses have the professional responsibility to provide
            high quality, impartial nursing care to all patients in emergency
            situations….to provide nonjudgmental nursing care to all patients,
            either directly or through appropriate and timely referral….[and] to
            inform their employers, at the time of employment, of any attitudes and
            beliefs that may interfere with essential job functions.”—Association
            of Women’s Health, Obstetric and Neonatal Nurses, position statement on
            nurses’ rights and responsibilities related to abortion and

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          34. Tiger says

            Crime victim compensation is a government program to reimburse victims of violent crimes-
            such as assault, homicide, rape, and, in some states, burglary – as
            well as their families for many of their out-of-pocket expenses.
            Crime Victim Compensation – National Center for Victims of Crime…crime-victims/…help…crime-victims/crime-victim-comp.

          35. Tiger says

            State Resources

            Every state has an Aging Services Division dedicated to providing frail
            seniors with home and community-based services, so that they can
            continue living in their own homes, instead of having to enter a nursing home.

            A wide range of state assistance programs are generally available to eligible
            seniors, including home health aides and skilled nursing care, home-delivered
            meals, help with household chores, transportation to shopping and medical
            appointments, as well as counseling, advocacy and legal aid.

            In addition to these programs that help senior citizens directly, many states
            also offer caregiver assistance programs that provide family caregivers with
            information, counseling, and respite services.

          36. Tiger says

            Part of this article so anyone around can see.

            financial costs associated with cancer are often overwhelming. Even
            having health insurance doesn’t guarantee you’ll be able to afford
            treatment. it’s best to start researching your options before a
            financial crisis develops. This fact sheet lists various sources of
            financial assistance available to people with cancer. Check with each
            agency or organization to see if you qualify for help.

            Government Assistance

            are a number of federal and state programs that provide financial
            benefits to individuals and families. These benefits, known as
            entitlements, are primarily set up for low-income households, the
            elderly, and the disabled. Each entitlement has eligibility
            requirements. There are also programs administered through state
            governments that can help with health care related needs. Government
            assistance programs include:

            U.S. Department of Health & Human Services
            Information on public assistance and food stamps
            Check phonebook for your local office

            U.S. Administration on Aging
            Benefits for older adults
            (Eldercare Locator finds resources in your community)

            Social Security Administration

            Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

            Pharmaceutical Patient Assistance Programs

            Programs and services offered differ among drug manufacturers but may include:
            • Help with insurance reimbursement
            • Referrals to co-pay relief programs
            • Help with the application process
            • Discounted or free medications for patients who do not qualify for other assistance

            Partnership for Prescription Assistance (PPA)
            888-4-PPA-NOW (888-477-2669)

            see if the drug company that makes your medication has a patient
            assistance program, check its website. You can also ask your doctor or
            check with the Partnership for Prescription Assistance (PPA). PPA has a
            list of pharmaceutical programs and other resources for financial
            assistance.In addition to needing help with managing the cost of
            medicines and treatment, people with cancer often need assistance with
            expenses like transportation, homecare and child care. A number of
            nonprofit organizations have useful programs or referral information to
            help with these and other

          37. Tiger says

            Do your research, we spend billions of tax dollars on care for indigents, illegals and refugees. The first wave came when I first entered nursing and they were closing down all the State Institutions and the people put out on the streets. Then our ER’s began to fill up with illegals now it is refugees and many are getting Medicaid and benefits they are not entitled to and you can thank O for that. He has stripped money from our own citizens programs to pay for these people, SS, Cancer Research, Zika and Flu research, Medicaid etc and in fact he was told by a judge that it is illegal to give any government program to anyone but American Citizens.

          38. Tiger says

            It is because of you Bleeding Heart liberals that we are in this mess my guess is your ilk is all for sharing all our wealth and giving up rooms in our homes to people and bringing in millions of more needy who can’t contribute and snakes like refugees to make sure we die off sooner than later.

          39. Tiger says

            Oh and by the way I worked in the inner city Shands Hospital in Jacksonville, Florida as an ER and Specialty Dialysis nurse in the very hospital where all go for free health care. Take a look at it on the net. I know what I know.

          40. Bobby Harris says

            I did take a look and among the things I found was how to pay your bill on line which tells me again you don’t know what you are talking about. Shands is not a free hospital and does not provide free health care to all.

          41. Tiger says

            It most certainly does. The one in our inner city where I worked is the County hospital. I should know I worked there. You go in and apply for a card.

          42. Tiger says

            By the way as soon as someone is diagnosed with kidney failure they are put on Medicaid and are subsidized and all their Dialysis paid for and many are young people.

            In 1982, what is now Shands Jacksonville entered into a contract with
            the city of Jacksonville to provide health care for a subset of
            uninsured individuals who met specific criteria, such as residency in
            Duval County, financial assistance requirements (i.e., the family unit
            may not exceed 200% of the Federal Poverty Guidelines), a lack of health
            insurance and ineligibility for Medicaid. About 10,000 individuals
            qualify at any given time, and since 2001 the city has provided $23.8
            million annually for the care of these individuals, which also includes
            the city and county prison population. While the costs of health care
            have increased over the past decade, at a rate greater than that of
            general inflation, the City Contract has been constant at $23.8

            At a contract amount of $23.8 million, the average yearly amount
            available to provide health care for these 10,000 individuals is
            about $2,380. Contrast this to the annual premium for individual health
            insurance coverage under the UF plan: $9,300. Thus, it’s no surprise
            that UF&Shands Jacksonville has been funding this program at a
            deficit — and increasingly so — over the years. Of the $23.8 million,
            $17 million is allocated for hospital services to this population, but
            the cost of providing these services last year was $50 million.
            Similarly, $6 million is allocated for physician services, but the cost
            of providing these services last year was $15 million. In total,
            UF&Shands Jacksonville lost $42 million last year on the City

            At the same time, the health care provided was fragmented. City
            Contract patients could obtain health care by making appointments at any
            site in the system, or by presenting at the emergency room. There was
            little continuity, fragmented counseling, complexity in the follow-up of
            test results and home-care needs, and many other problems.

          43. Bobby Harris says

            So if you think this is a good thing why are you against single payer insurance, except for meeting some criteria this is basically how single pay works, the government through your taxes pay for everything. The difference here is your taxes are helping to pay but unless you can qualify you can not benefit from these services.

          44. Tiger says

            No I don’t think it is a good thing. I don’t think insurance is a part of the Bill of Rights or our Constitution. People are free to make the best in this country and for those who are not capable, for good reasons they are taken care of via all the programs I put up for you to see.

            I am not responsible for anyone’s food, housing, insurance or anything else. I don’t believe in Communism where the government runs everything and dictates what we work for. I am for a Republic and for it standing and By God for all that is Holy we “The People” who voted in Trump, because he is with us your ilk is through taking.

          45. Bobby Harris says

            You don’t know what you believe in or what you stand for, your comments are all over the map and contradictory . You list all of these “free” programs that are really not free because the government subsidize them through tax dollars, you say repeal Obamacare because all of these programs are available so now we have 20 million more people who were at least paying some of their healthcare cost, competing for these free services . So where do you think the money is going to come from to meet this demand. Please don’t envoke God into this. Jesus was among the first healthcare providers and I haven’t read anywhere that he charged for his services or refused his services because he wasn’t paid. I think you have that backwards it is my ilk that is willing to give, that has compassion for his fellow man, that believes it’s my responsibility to help those less fortunate because I know it is only by God’s grace that I am in a position to help. You speak of all the illegals and lazy people and drug dealers receiving benefits as if you think I don’t know who you are referring to or I don’t know what this whole thing is about but I do, believe me I do. I am just waiting for Trump and the other billionaires that makeup his cabinet repeal Obamacare, reduce social security , Medicare and Medicaid benefits to see what you and your ilks response will be

          46. Tiger says

            I know exactly what I believe and what I have said. Of course all those programs are financed by State and Federal taxes and County, so what? That doesn’t mean that all the nations healthcare should be run by the government. Good Grief what is wrong with you people?

            Our taxes are for the people of America, American citizens not illegals and refugees. Again the programs were set up for Americans in need. What about that do you not understand?

            Jesus has nothing to do with this, we have Free Will given us by the Almighty long ago. We know from history Socialism and Communism don’t work, never have and never will just like Communes don’t work.

            Tell me something how rich is Kerry? How rich was Kennedy? How about Rockefeller? Ford? and what party has the most millionaires? Democrats but then that is OK when they are wealthy right. You hypocrite. Trump isn’t even taking the salary and what in this world makes you think he is going to take money from SS? O already has for his refugees that OK with you? Medicare and Medicaid already O took from them. That OK with you? You are delusional.

            We downsized our lives. We pay cash for what we own. We own land, our home and all our cars and everything else. We have well water, we know how to survive because we are outdoor people. Don’t talk to me like I am some fool dependent on anything the government hands out. I raised my children, 3 of them and sent them to college without help from the government. My mother and father raised me that way and I raised my children that way who also pay their own way.


          47. Bobby Harris says

            You are really uninformed Paul Ryan and the republicans for years have said that SS , Medicare , Medicare needed reform , Ryan has a plan that you can google it provides for cuts in all of those programs plus welfare, food stamps. I knew most of you didn’t know what you were voting for. And why would Trump take the salary, already he has made millions for his hotel and businesses just by being the president elect. I don’t know how rich any of them are and I really don’t care that’s beside the point. I don’t know of anyone’s benefits being cut or any change to either of those programs unde Obama. You will see legislation introduced to change all of those programs, Ryan’s versions may not effect you because in his proposal it would effect people 55 and under.

          48. Tiger says

            Yes I am well aware of these plans but they will grandfather in those already on them. Meaning they will continue to get their benefits and it will only affect those coming into the programs. I knew you didn’t know what you were talking about.

            Wait a minute if Trump this rich and won’t take the salary then you are saying it was OK for Kennedy, Clinton and all the other multi millionaires like even Bush etc to take the money? It is OK for the all those millionaire Senators and Congress people to not only take the salary but all the benefits? Hypocrite.

            I know you don’t know about O taking money from all the programs of course not.

          49. Bobby Harris says

            Oh, now you are well aware of those plans but when I first informed you I was ludicrous for suggesting it then in this post you repeat basically what I said , but I don’t know what I’m talking about. I don’t care if Trump takes the salary or not or it the others took the salary or not, it’s a job and it comes with a salary. Trump said he wouldn’t take a salary, he also said he would make public his income tax returns, he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it, he would prosecute Hillary, he would divest himself from his businesses and on and on . So because Trump said he wouldn’t take a salary doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t take a salary.

          50. Tiger says

            No Trump did not say he would make public his tax returns and nowhere in our Constitution does it say he has to. He said when his audit through he wold release them. He has used the same tax laws all use and like he said if Hillary didn’t like the law she should have fought to change it. But like everything else in the liberal and Progressive party they don’t mind if their people take advantage of tax laws just when the other side does.

            No I never said I didn’t know about Ryan’s plan.

            The president of Mexico already saying he is for securing the border and is now putting his military in the streets of Mexico to stop the killing and yes they will help build that wall because now they have someone who is for law and order and they had to play ball with Obama. Hundreds of Mexicans have been killed by the Drug Cartels and even decapitated. The Mexican president begged Obama to help with gun running and spoke of the killings but we know Obama didn’t give a damn.

            Trump washed his hands of Hillary and said he would not interfere with any investigations into here. There are 4 pending with the FBI, the Congress on her tail and Private Investigations into her Foundation.

            He will do what needs to be done he is not even in office and you are talking what he has not done. Amazing.

          51. Bobby Harris says

            In the first two sentences you contradict yourself, releasing his returns and making public his returns is the same thing.

          52. Tiger says

            Merry Christmas OK

        3. Dr. Mike Reeder says

          They will. But, who pays the huge bill? You? Me? I will maintain that no one or even a nation can. That doesn’t mean we have to abandon folks but for those frequent flyers, there HAS to be some limit. My own father-in-law has CHF. His legs swell up like balloons, then he gets cellulitis and has to be put on hard hitting antibiotics. Why? Because he will not comply with any diet. He is on fluid and salt restrictions and pays absolutely no attention to them. Nor will he walk and try to get some of that excess fluid off naturally. He takes water pills and that washes the electrolytes (mostly potassium) out of his system. Every month or so, he’s back in the E.R. He’s 78 years old and to be honest, I’m having a very hard time feeling sorry for him, anymore. He has thousands of dollars already in hospital bills. He’s been twice discharged to a nursing home, comes back and goes right back into the same behavior. How many of these folks can any system stand? Doctors who really believe in the Hippocratic oath are really over a barrel. These insurance companies are trying to limit how much each one spends but that is so inappropriate I can even put it into words. Medical care dictated by an insurance company rather that a patients needs. There HAS to be middle ground…. somewhere.

      3. sandraleesmith46 says

        Think they won’t die that way??? LOOK at the VA system; that’s what it is!

      4. Merle Dickey says

        The deductibles are so high that I would only go to the hospital if I thought I was dying !!!

        1. Tiger says

          The deductibles so high you can’t afford to die in a hospital. I have my own insurance and pay for it so my husband only has himself on his and his deductible so high now he knows he can’t get sick, plus his insurance is now up another 200 a month, for one healthy man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          We are starting up a savings account and when things get better another insurance company that doesn’t make him pay for some other woman’s health needs. Men as usual are hated by feminists but they don’t mind them paying for their health needs.

          1. Merle Dickey says


          2. Tiger says

            Personally Merle in the past 20 years I can count on one hand and not use all the fingers for the times I have used my insurance. I stick to herbs like my mother did and she beat cancer 30 years. I am on no medications, I do have bronchial problems from being gassed extensively for Desert Storm, never been gassed that much and we all came down with a strange pneumonia and when coming home my family doc said Tiger how long you been smoking. I said you know I never smoked but my father, my X and my now husband do. Anyway I have scar tissue on my lungs and have bronchial problems now and again a breathing treatment does the job. I have been diagnosed with no diseases but PTSD which I refused to go on my record, nobody understood it until now and it was a stigma and I had to work. We eat at home most of the time so I am healthy.

            Need my insurance for ER when I fall off something or get bit by spiders, I go into shock, happened twice in these woods, inhaler and epi pen saved my life along with antihistamine. That is it. So I pay much but that is the way it is.

          3. Merle Dickey says

            You sound like one tough little gal . I have found the less medication I take the healthier I am . Proud to say my youngest son is so anti medicine you have to chase him down to try to get him to take an aspirin, in which I usually fail LOL… Merry Christmas .

          4. Tiger says

            Oh that is so funny. Well mother, as I said became a Herbalist and Nutritionist after being carved upon for breast cancer and told she had only 5 years to live. A survivor of POW camps for the duration of WWII she told the doctor: “The Japs didn’t kill me and I will be damned if this will, I will live to raise my daughter and see my grandchildren.” She did that was a tough cookie. So I never got used to medicine or cokes, candies, cookies just real food, homemade foods and fresh veggies and lots of vitamins and herbs. I accredit her for my health and my Spirit.

          5. Tiger says

            Merry Christmas to you and yours and may the Almighty continue to Bless our country.

    5. sandraleesmith46 says

      That includes the rest of the 1 party in DC!

    6. Francine Ellen Carraher says

      National Healthcare System is the only answer. Repeal the insurance industry – it wouldn’t be needed at all, because everybody would have healthcare, upper, middle, and lower class. I would defitely pay a bit higher tax to not have to deal with the insurance companies ever again.

    7. Richard Kraus says

      but don’t forget that obama (almost) got what he wanted – a single payer system , the government . He did more to advance the socialist / communist agenda than anyone I recall in my life time .
      I’m 56 years old / young . If hillary got in – she would have finished the deal .

    8. Tiger says

      People are going to lose their patience I am telling you if something is not changed.

  2. Borninbrooklyn says

    They should do away with the “shotgun” aspect of it FIRST.

  3. skisok says

    Thus just proves that the GOP were nothing but obstructionists.

  4. Ken says

    It’s a shame that the Republican Party sat around for roughly 15 years following HillaryCare’s demise without doing anything to assure health care for every Citizen, and then sat idly by as the Affordable Care and Patient Protection Act (Obamacare) was placed into law. They didn’t even have an alternative idea, even after 15 years!!!! To expect them to be able to come up with something better in a month is ridiculous.
    Maybe they can just sign all of us up to be part of their health care program!

    1. CrustyOldGeezer says

      And we have your word they have no alternative plan?

      1. greenlantern1 says

        How about the 15 year RECORD!!

      2. Bobby Harris says

        If you are a crusty old geezer you are probably on Medicare so what’s your stake in this? .This law was passed to give people who couldn’t afford insurance or didn’t have coverage through their jobs or were denied coverage because of a pre existing condition. For most people who are able to take advantage of the government subsidies it works out pretty good. Most of the people that complain about it have no stake in it because they are covered by the government’s Medicare plan or through their employer’s plan. It is minds boggling to me that someone on Medicare would complain about the government interfering with health care

        1. CrustyOldGeezer says

          “For most people who are able to take advantage of the government subsidies it works out pretty good.”

          THAT would be the people that DO NOT PAY FOR ANYTHING.

          “Most of the people that complain about it have no stake in it….”

          No ‘stake’?

          THEY PAY for themselves as well as the the rest.

          And I seriously doubt that it takes more than burnt toast to boggle what you think is a ‘mind’.

          The ‘law’ was passed to give government complete control over the People.

          Take your drug addled brain elsewhere to whine in your split pee soup.

          1. Bobby Harris says

            You mean like the people who work for companies that don’t provide insurance, or limit hours in order not to provide insurance, or self employed people or kids over 18 and not in school, or people with pre existing conditions.or are you saying the family that has an income of $50 k /yr and receives subsidies don’t pay for any thing. I noticed you didn’t have a problem with the government subsidizing your Medicare health plan. It also boggles my mind that you have lived long enough to become the idiot you are.

          2. CrustyOldGeezer says

            So, ‘splain to me why you think you have a RIGHT to other peoples money.

            Or show me where you learned that medical insurance is a “right”.

            How about you just prove to me that you have VALUE to Society because of something special you have done to PROVE to Americans that you have value to this Nation.

            From your comments it sounds like you have been a loser your entire life and you are ‘owed’ something just for being born.

          3. Bobby Harris says

            You would think that because you are an idiot. I worked 55 of my 68 years here on this earth, I am retired and eligible for Medicare but remain on my Wife’s employer sponsored insurance.No ,I don’t think the government owes me anything but I do think that I owe those less fortunate than me. Of the thousands of people who work for minimum wage and receive no benefits , people who paid into insurances for years only to be denied benefits when putting in a claim because the insurance company say you had a pre existing condition or your benefits are capped and you still need medical care. Again, for a person to receive Medicare the only requirement is you are 65 years of age, It is government sponsored and controlled.Why is this ok with you, Why are you not vocal about repealing it?

          4. CrustyOldGeezer says

            Well now.

            Aren’t you the protected little buttercup?

            This discussion is about bammsterscare and since you are on your wifes plan at work, YOU are not affected other than the increased taxes taken out of your wifes paycheck, which doesn’t affect you personally.

            That about cover it?

            As to medicare, Like Social Security, I PAY INTO IT EVERY MONTH and have never drawn a dime in benefits, so if I ever get the chance to use it, you better believe I am going to draw out the $35,000 I ave paid into it over the years, and I want INTEREST on my ‘investment’.

            For the last 18 years, my mediscare premiums has gone directly to humana, but 100% of my medical care is through the VA, so humana has yet to pay out one damned dime.

            So, you cute little over-aged snowflake, I have been putting up with, and PAYING INTO the corruption that government has become LONGER than you have.
            So spare me the holiness of your under-educated pathetic whine.

          5. Bobby Harris says

            You do know the VA is also government sponsored and you get benefits if you are in for 6mths. You are such an idiot, no one ‘s taxes were increased to support ObamaCare. Direct me to one source that says otherwise . Under educated? What a joke, from an idiot who hasn’t had an original thought in his entire life.

          6. CrustyOldGeezer says


            The lone braincell is still asleep again bobby.

            Perhaps another jolt of snow will bring it back to life.

          7. Bobby Harris says

            Don’t change the subject idiot. Direct me to a source that says the ACA caused your taxes to increaseand tell me how your government sponsored health care is anything other than just that. You are one of the countless idiots that bleed the government dry and complain because someone you think is undeserving is helped by the government and what’s really bad is you have no ideal of what you are talking about. Every thing you’ve said about the ACA has been wrong, you say it’s an attempt by government to control your life but you don’t think the government health care benefits you receive is the same thing. You should change your handle to “The Idiot ” it’s more discriptive

          8. CrustyOldGeezer says

            Sorry little pre-pubesence little boy, but I did not ‘change the subject’.

            The subject is obamascare and the destruction to the American Healthcare system.

            And my ‘wrong’ is your opinion based on what you have been told to believe by your MASTERS that tell you what they want you to think.

            My comments are solidly based on FACT and those FACTS are not hidden from you, you just can’t accept that your MASTERS may have led you astray.

            If you want to IMPROVE your life, the first step would be to GET OFF THEIR PLANTATION!

          9. Bobby Harris says

            I ask again, where can I find these facts? How is one government plan controlling and the other is not? How do you justify sucking up resources from the government but are against others receiving help. As I said before the ACA doesn’t impact you one way or the other, the government has taken care of your health care needs through Medicare and the V.A. You are unwilling to admit what the facts are and # 1 on the list is you have no ideal of what you are talking about.

          10. CrustyOldGeezer says

            You don’t even pay attention when even the sewermedia reports doubling of premiums on nearly all insurance plans.

            And your oft repeated question of: I ask again, where can I find these facts? I take as an admission that you have no idea on how to do a simple google search.

            And pray tell me, exactly which parts of “As to medicare, Like Social Security, I PAY INTO IT EVERY MONTH and have never drawn a dime in benefits, so if I ever get the chance to use it, you better believe I am going to draw out the $35,000 I have paid into it over the years, and I want INTEREST on my ‘investment’.” do you fail to comprehend?

          11. Bobby Harris says

            Idiot, if you knew anything about the ACA you would know that even with the rates going up, the subsidies still make it affordable for millions of people and those people do have to pay out of pocket for the insurance, it’s not free as you seem to suggest. You have probably received far more benefits than you have paid in, one extended stay in the hospital and the $35,000 is paid off. Do you know how to use google to get facts or are you even interested in facts.? Again it doesn’t impact you one way or the other and 20 million people are now insured because of it and until something better comes along that’s a good thing. Just because you have been fortunate enough so far not to have to use your benefits there are millions of people who paid in less than you but because of some catastrophe received hundreds of thousands of dollars in benefits. I know it’s to complicated for your deteriorating brain to comprehend, but that’s how it works, you need enough people to stay healthy to offset the cost of those who are not as healthy. I guess if you did get sick and your bill came to a sum equal to the $35k + interest you would refuse anymore assistance because you don’t want the government controlling you. The dispute wasn’t about something you pay into being different, what I am asking you to explain is how is one government plan controlling and the other is not. The fact that you pay into yours is not an explanation in fact, it’s like saying you are paying to be controlled.

          12. CrustyOldGeezer says

            Dearest IDIOT.

            ” the subsidies still make it affordable for millions of people and those people do have to pay out of pocket for the insurance”

            I PAY the TAXES that PAY for those ‘subsidies.

            In fact ALL WORKING PEOPLE PAY those TAXES.

            Grow up and LEARN TO THINK.

          13. Bobby Harris says

            Idiot google how the ACA is funded if you have the brains to do so, and give me an answer for your idiotic statement that the ACA is governments’ way of controlling you

          14. CrustyOldGeezer says

            You are proving my theory that you are a Pre-Pubesence 14 year old male living in mommies cellar.

          15. Bobby Harris says

            And you are just an uninformed idiot that repeats anything he hears no matter how dumb or illogical it sounds.

          16. David in MA says

            As I understand it, taxes did not increase but the premiums do/did.

          17. ABO says

            Absolutely correct David. Just a detour to get to the same point.

          18. Mathew Molk says

            And the 2 grand they are going to charge as a penalty. – Young kids are money ahead to skip hospitalazation all together.

            And on that subject,,,why is is that people that do not now nor never have worked get full coverage and those of us that paid into Medicare for years and years get only catastrophic coverage unless we pay extra for part B or QRST or what ever they call it? And even then we don’t get the Cadillac policy that the deadbeats get for free. I don’t get it?

          19. David in MA says

            Just another tiny step toward socialism I guess. This health insurance is only a scam to make the insurance companies wealthier and the investors rich off of government subsidies. No one has ever been denied health care for true health needs, now the POS Obama has illegal muslim immigrants and refugees getting free coverage, and I mean free because (one more reason to know he is a muslim) it is against the koran for infidels to charge muslims for anything, here is a big cost in itself alone.
            I say, buy what is wanted and what can be paid for and leave the ER open for higher degrees of health care and no one gets a full free ride. BUT, we have to write or email out elected officials and let them know and if they balk, vote them out next go-around.

          20. Mathew Molk says

            Bobby, You are 68? – If you didn’t get drafted with the rest of us I’d like to know why? And if you did you know what most guys of our age paid for whatever we get from the VA. — Our Youths, that’s all. Never got to be 19. instantly became 30 or 40. That’s a hell of a lot to pay for anything. (My mom said I never did come back from that war)

            The point is anything any of us gets from the VA is paid in full with a giant tip.

          21. Bobby Harris says

            No I didn’t get drafted I volunteered. My point to the geezar was in response to his comment that the ACA was an attempt by the government to control you. If that was the case why wouldn’t the same apply to VA and Medicare since they are both sponsored and administered by the government. I also pointed out that you didn’t have to do anything heroic or be placed in a dangerous position to get benefits from the military serve 6 months active duty and be honorably discharged and you qualify for most benefits.

          22. David in MA says

            “For the last 18 years, my mediscare premiums has gone directly to humana, but 100% of my medical care is through the VA, so humana has yet to pay out one damned dime.”
            Maybe not, I bet VA is billing Medicare & Humana.

          23. CrustyOldGeezer says

            That is an irrelevant point.

            I earned and PAID both of them.

          24. David in MA says

            How much do you get for a re-fund from Humana?

          25. CrustyOldGeezer says

            Not a dime.

          26. Deborah G says

            Actually he is affected because companies raise their take out in your pay when the rates go up. Very few companies give you 100% free medical.

          27. CrustyOldGeezer says

            THAT detail is not part of the MANTRA that bounces around inside his teeny little dead brain cell.

          28. Deborah G says

            Liberals do NOT have ANY brain cells they are simply sponges that absorb and reguratate the BS that HRC/Obama/DNC spew. Not one I have ever me can think rationally or have a shred of common sense.

          29. CrustyOldGeezer says

            Well Stated and extremely accurate assessment of their mental capabilities!

          30. Deborah G says

            IF you feel you OWE someone a good deed than you are free to check the little box on your tax return any time you want to make a donation to the coffers or donate to a chariity that provides free healthcare. IF someone doesn’t feel YOUR need than that is called FREEDOM> Get it? I do NOT feel complelled to give illegals kids or illegal mother who spawn here anything. I donate to Veteran’s,Salvation Army,and other charities. I do NOT need the government to hand out money to lazy people or non citizens/.THAT is NOT in the Constitution. Hope Trump gets a Constitutionalist on the SC> Next? I would gladly donate to free Birth Control so morons don’t keep having kids we need to support.

          31. Mathew Molk says

            Bobby, Why do you think you owe someone that cannot qualify for a job that pays more then minimum wage anything? We are about the same age. Who helped you? The same guy that helped me, I’ll bet. NOBODY, that’s who. You ever think that minimum wage is someone’s station in life? That’s all they make because that’s all they are worth. Guys like you and me got to where we are by scratching, clawing and competing for everything we got. We are not from the ‘everybody gets a trophy crowd and everything we own from our Steel hard hat to our Redwing boots we got through the sweat of our brow. (Dwight Yokum tune) I don’t know about you but I’m sure as hell not willing to give any of that to someone who lacks the ambition to make it on their own.

          32. gotabgood says

            I am calling on what common sense you have left…. ANY insurance is cheaper by donating, ( paid premiums ) to the pool. knock on wood, I have been driving 50 years and never made a claim on my auto insurance because of an accident. That would be the same as me having healthcare and never been to the hospital. Each year I drive, the percentages go up that I will have an accident.. each year I get older the percentage of me going to the hospital go up. But life is unique, there are no guarantees of not going to the hospital or getting into an accident.. so we pay for the day that will surely come. The more that pay the cheaper the rate.. that is why ObamaCare increase was lower than the 50 years prior.
            If all the states had jumped on the ACA bandwagon, insurance would be low, but we have a few red states governors that think with theirass and do what they are told to do. All this time and effort could have been spent on making it better instead we have repeals 57 times and trips to the SCOTUS, TWICE!!! waste of time and money.
            And besides… the most costly form of insurance is the ER.. and you pay for that also!!!!!!!! So.. if you are going to pay for THEIR insurance…… why not do it at a cheaper rate and then you will save money in the long run….. that is called common sense….. do you have any left?

          33. CrustyOldGeezer says

            Nice long rant, but the questions posed were never approached, much less answered.
            “So, ‘splain to me why you think you have a RIGHT to other peoples money.”


            “Or show me where you learned that medical insurance is a “right”.”


            So, now I shall ask another question that should be really simple and easy for you to answer because the list you need to look through is very short.

            Since the US CONSTITUTION LIMITS the areas where the federal government can intrude by the ENUMERATED POWERS, EXACTLY WHICH of those Enumerated Powers allows the ‘unaffordable don’t care’ legislation?

            NOW, you need to be on your toes with this one because it is not based on ‘feelings’, but actual FACT.

          34. gotabgood says

            “So, ‘splain to me why you think you have a RIGHT to other peoples money.”
            The same rights you have. You think you can travel down life’s highways without paying your fair share?… In case you don’t know this.. someone that makes $100 dollars a week would not pay as much as you do who makes a $1000 a week. Does that sound fair to you? The road and the upkeep of that road is not free, or if you live in snow country, the plowing of that road is not free. Can your wage pay for it all? No! It is put into a pool, much like your auto insurance and someone like me that has never made a claim for an accident pays the same as you who has had 3 accidents over the years.. that goes for healthcare as well. The most expensive healthcare we have is ER! That also is not free, you pay for those visits through your premiums, checkups, and those $10 band-aids you get while in the hospital.
            Maybe you are of the group that believes if you can’t do it yourself, you can’t get it… thank God your mother didn’t feel that way when you crapped your diapers… or when it come to food… or maybe the teachers didn’t help you at all because you were born a know it all. people are given things throughout their entire life.
            The government when run right and with the proper budget will protect you while you sleep cozy in your bed. And if you are hell-bent against socialism. I suggest you get over pretty quick… you call yourself the OLD geezer, I imagine for a good reason… first you are set in your ways like an old oak tree…. but no one lives forever… and the kingdom that you hope to arrive at…. is TOTAL SOCIALISM!! ALL are treated the same. All live in a mansion that you had nothing to do with in building or furnishings. Your robes will be given to you.. your food will be given to you. Jesus set the pattern while on earth.. He healed all, even those without insurance, he fed all and he paid all the same wage.
            Obama was right.. you DID NOT BUILD THAT!!!!! You had help You had no choice in the matter at birth who your parents were to be… what country… rich, poor. As when you die… you may have your funeral all planned out even the sitting arrangements of the guest… and your plane goes down at sea and you were eaten by a shark… now you are nothing more than a shark turd on the bottom of the ocean.

            As far as your rights for anything. Your rights are all depending on who is in charge… for instance they now take a photo of your junk at the airport and soon to be at train stations and bus stations… what happened to your rights? DHS, PA and TSA took them! Or lil bush!
            You want to fight against other rights? There are some crazies out there that will join you… maybe Trump will tear the first amendment up??
            You seem to think you can get along fine without the help of anyone… the time is coming…. sooner than you think.. you will eat those words/thoughts.
            The founding documents of the United States provide support for a right to health care. The
            Declaration of Independence states that all men have “unalienable
            Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
            Happiness,” [42]
            which necessarily entails having the health care needed to preserve
            life and pursue happiness. The purpose of the US Constitution, as stated
            in the Preamble, is to “promote the general welfare” of the people. [43]
            According to former Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), as part of
            efforts to “promote the general welfare,” health care “is a legitimate
            function of government.” [44]

          35. CrustyOldGeezer says

            Rather stupid comparisons you make there little boy.

          36. gotabgood says

            That’s all you have?
            Backed up into a corner.. you come up with that one liner and an insult.
            Like I said… the time is coming………………….. you do not know what is around the next corner….

          37. CrustyOldGeezer says

            Yeah little child, I do have a clue what is coming around the next corner.

            And with your last rant, you threw away any ‘credibility’ you may have had.

            All you know about life and AMERICA is just what your handler tells you.

          38. gotabgood says

            In comparison to you who knows absolutely nothing… I have been reading some of your posts…. you are an old geezer for sure… brain dead, brain washed… end results are clueless of life and what life is about… surprise, surprise we all breathe the same air, drink the same need to get along with others… America… you know nothing about…. It is a melting pot of all religions, race of people… it is the extended hand that makes America great.. you…… you bite the hand that feds you.

            And you think you know what is around the corner….. no you don’t…. it is out of sight.

            As the old song says “Que Sera Sera”

          39. CrustyOldGeezer says

            Yeah, I know.

            There’s no one quite as intelligent as a brainwashed fool.

            Do you really believe that you are the smartest person to ever show up on these sites?

            Here’s a clue.

            You’re not even close to the smartest alinskyite, you’re nothing more than a popped pimple.

          40. gotabgood says

            No one is talking about how smart I is or how smart I ain’t…. it is you…brain dead…. brain washed… brainless… you do not stop to think about what you have leaped into… you have tunnel vision and short sighted. You believe trump whether he said he will build the wall or not build the wall… it does not make a difference to you… you don’t even care what he says or to whom… puppets on a string.

          41. ABO says

            “nothing more than a popped pimple”. I fear you’re giving gotabanidiot far too much credit, Crusy.

          42. CrustyOldGeezer says

            True, but…

            A lot of sites have “play nice” policies.

          43. ABO says

            What would one expect from a mindless creature the ilk of gotabanidiot???

          44. CrustyOldGeezer says

            I’m just naturally a very nice guy, and it pains me to be too honest with ‘people’ of this nature.

            At least, that is the story I’m going to lead with…..

          45. ABO says

            OK, just make sure you stick with it.

          46. Dr. Mike Reeder says

            The Constitution does provide one with unalienable rights, but healthcare isn’t one of them! Good god there wasn’t even a healthcare system back then. Mr. Kucinich was full of sh*t! His ideas were roundly rejected by nearly everyone. The level of taxation that it would take for that kind healthcare is breaking us! But, most lefties can’t see that it’s completely unsustainable. Obamacare MUST be replaced by something more manageable, some might even call it progressive…….We are NOT Europe! They are sliding down broken systems and REAL bankruptcy is in their future. Since Obama took over, it may very well be in ours, too. Spent more money that ALL of the preceding presidents PUT TOGETHER! He’s left us a legacy alright. One of shame!

          47. Mathew Molk says

            I personally know Dennis and you are right as rain – The boy mayor caused the first only only police strike in Cleveland in over 200 years. He is not a bad guy though and is fun to talk to. even though we have never been on the same side I actually like the guy.

            Again. don’t respond to the assbag. He is not worth reading. Everything shows he is a pimple pussed millennial.

          48. gotabgood says

            Your post is BS! and I am not commenting on ALL of it… but one where you THINK….. no wrong word… you have been programed into believing Obama has spent more than any other!!! as trump would say… WRONG!!

            14 Facts About Obama’s
            Presidency Most People Don’t Know

            1. We’ve now had 78 straight months of economic expansion.

            2. We are currently enjoying the longest period of private
            sector job creation in American history.

            3. Unemployment has dropped from 10.1% in October of 2009 to
            4.9% by early 2016

            4. The stock market continues to set new record highs since
            President Obama took office.

            5. The Federal budget deficit is shrinking. It’s been reduced
            by two-thirds since 2009.

            6. Under President Obama, government spending has increased
            only 3.3% annually, the lowest rate since Eisenhower was president.

            7. For 95% of American taxpayers, income taxes are as low or
            lower than they were at almost any point in the last 50 years.

            8. Dependence on foreign oil has shrunk due to record
            domestic oil production and improved fuel efficiency standards.

            9. At least 18 million more Americans now have health
            insurance than before.

            10. The Affordable Care Act has added years to the life of

            11. Since passage of the Affordable Care Act, we are seeing
            the slowest rate of increase in healthcare costs since 1960.

            12. We currently have fewer soldiers, sailors, and airmen in
            war zones than we did at any time in the last 12 years.

            13. There have been zero successful attacks by al Qaeda on US
            soil since Obama became president.

            14. We now successfully catch and deport more illegal
            immigrants than ever before.


          49. Dr. Mike Reeder says

            Bla, Bla, Bla! YOU sir have been completely brain washed by the left. Mr. Obama is similar to Mr. Trump in that NEITHER had any experience running a superpower. Barry had NEVER even had a real job! How he was elected is way beyond my poor sensibilities. I think he bought it through his deficit spending programs and bailouts. Before he was in office US debt was around 8-9 Trillion, now it’s 20 trillion and he hasn’t even left office yet! YOU do the math! Since Obamacare 16 of the original 18 exchanges are bankrupt ands he can do NOTHING to stop it. We’re seeing fewer soldiers in harms way because he is a chicken sh*t and distains the military. We have way less military to send ANYWHERE! Like a novice, her is focusing on the wrong target. There have been MANY attacks by ISIS and their sympathizers and they have been quick to take credit. Don’t play words with me! He does NOT catch and deport more illegal immigrants than ever before. He is allowing them to come in willy nily with NO vetting process. Who even knows where they are? Our border with Mexico is a joke! He WILL NOT even enforce existing laws. THAT’s why Mr. Trumps building that wall has resonated so much with voters. Taxes are NOT lower! I have to work until the middle of May just to pay my share of them. It may be that 18 million more people are getting medical care. However, most of them are the frequent flyers that are costing the system so much the exchanges are going broke. I will grant you that our dependence on foreign oil has shrunk. But, the Obama administration has a very poor record with coal and an even worse one with fracking. Still worse yet with solar energy. Those industries could make us energy independent. Yes, Mr. Barry is quite the talker but no so much on doing. He should be impeached for his dealings with the U.N.! Dividing Israel to make Palestinian home land? Unworkable! Giving up our sovereignty for a small arms treaty, foolish! Thanks to him the U.N. is voting itself into obscurity and irrelevance. By the way the stock market is completely unsustainable. They cannot maintain there “highs” for long due to out insolvency (thank you Barry). A major correction is in order and WILL happen.

          50. gotabgood says

            Trump would not make a good pimple on Obama’s ass..

            His formal title was “senior lecturer,” but the University of
            Chicago Law School says he “served as a professor” and was “regarded as”
            a professor.

            He also was a senator
            I think he knows a little about how the branches of government work.. whereas Trump doesn’t even know the branches of government..
            Trump who claims he is a master negotiator gave Carrier 7 million dollars to send 1300 jobs South and no tariff tax… good job for saving American Jobs!!
            He also claims he is a great business man… who filed 6 bankruptcies.. Great leader..
            We won’t get into respecting women, Mexicans, Blacks, Asian, Muslims… maybe even Canadians… .he was threatening to build a wall on the Northern border too.
            Great Man this Donald!!!!.

          51. Mathew Molk says

            Don’t answer this less then a troll.

            And if he has been driving 50 years I was standing formation when they promoted Christ to corporal.

          52. David in MA says

            How does the government subsidize Medicare?

          53. Mathew Molk says

            Been self employed since 1980 and had to pay my insurance as well as insurance for my guys up to the start of obamacare when I retired and we closed the company. . – If you are not smart enough, or skilled enough to get a job where you either get benefits or make enough to pay for it yourself my heart pumps pee for you, but don’t expect me to subsidies your ineptness.

            And get ready for more like me. The nanny state is dead and there will be more rugged individualists like me climbing up all the commicrats asses. – they lost, we won, and we are going back to the biblical walfare system. 2Theologians 310 or something like that…Paul quotes Jesus as saying “those that do not work shall neither eat.”

          54. David in MA says

            “THAT would be the people that DO NOT PAY FOR ANYTHING.”

            like illegal muslim immigrants?

        2. lerose55 says

          I don’t have Medicare. We make 50k per yr. 2 adults we pay $1,500.00 a month for Obamacare, w/ $4,000. ded each then 20% after that. Some years we didn’t even use it more than a couple of times. How is this Affordable? Its not. Now this year I had back surgery & neck surgery, I owe thousands of dollars on top of paying my premiums & deductibles. This is the first time I used it for anything major, now I will be paying these bills off for the next 5 yrs. What if something happens next yr. how much more will I owe after that? To Much.
          Obamacare has done nothing but put us in major debt.

          I hope Trump trashes it. Now this year it is going up, they are saying 76%. All that means is we can’t afford to have Healthcare at all.

          1. Deborah G says

            Then they will make sure to tax you on it anyway so Obama’s Muslims & illegals get it free.

        3. David Stewart says

          Gee, what an idiot you are; I had no choice in accepting Medicare or the $1400 annual premium that accompanies it. Also the dearth of providers and lack of surgeries due to “advanced age and cost effectiveness” guidelines. Like to see you in the same situation!

          1. Bobby Harris says

            So what would you have done without it? You apparently didn’t have enough foresight or funds to get private insurance where the premiums would have been higher because of your advanced age and the same limitations would apply that’s providing that you could get private insurance. You are fooling your self if you think insurance companies are not looking our for their bottom line.

        4. David Stewart says

          Gee, what an idiot you are; I had no choice in accepting Medicare or the $1400 annual premium that accompanies it. Also the dearth of providers and lack of surgeries due to “advanced age and cost effectiveness” guidelines. Like to see you in the same situation!

        5. Scrubjay says

          Government subsidies = my hard earned money taken from me to be distributed to others. Let’s be honest about where the subsidies come from.

        6. Deborah G says

          Medicare does not cover everything you still need a supplemental and a drug plan to be lawful. The supplemental plans because of Obamacare are expensive. MOST elderly use their largest proportion of their income just to pay that or be in a “managed care plan that has crap hospitals and more doctors that can’t speak English than those that do.

          1. Bobby Harris says

            Fear not Deborah, Trump and the republicans have a plan that’s going to solve the health care problems for us all. Just wait for it.

          2. Deborah G says

            Bobby you are always the voice of clam & reason here. I am waiting, In the interim have a very blessed Christmas. God Bless you and your family!

        7. Mathew Molk says

          Hey ,,,,They were never too shy to deduct medicare from our checks since the first day it came into being. we ALREADY paid for our medicare,,,and me and my wife have to have an additional supplemental policy on our own dime to get prescription and other coverage. – (BTW, don’t give me any bullshit like you are now paying my social security and medicare. If I had that money to invest for all the time they took it from me I could have been a millionaire on tax free municipal bonds alone)

          Now, other then being life long American Citizens (and a lot of us are veterans too) we have every right to be concerned on how the government spends money, especially when the royal exalted boma had plans on getting his hooks into social security which I paid into from 1962 to 2013 and has only been paying me since Jan. of 2013 as well as taking away medicare from us to help his Commie-care boondoggle and going to socialized medicine.

          If you look at the reality we have even MORE right to bitch about obanacare and any replacment.

      3. Deborah G says

        They have had man plans that just got tabled by Harry Reid. The worst obstructionist and the nastiest politician alive. Too bad he didn’t have a chance to meet his maker

        1. CrustyOldGeezer says

          You know they have presented plans, I know they have presented plans, but….

          To the braindead liberal cellar dwellers parked on this site have no clue because all they ever hear is the dogma and rhetoric from their betters.

    2. olejoe48 says

      spoken like a true liberal idiot

      1. gotabgood says

        Because he spoke the truth and you do not understand what he is saying?

        1. Scrubjay says

          No, he did not. it’s not about health care, it’s about insurance. You are perpetuating the lie.

          1. gotabgood says

            we have had two different types of insurance in the last 50+ years.
            The one where they had preexisting conditions, a cap on coverage, co-pay and deductibles and can get kicked off for any reason… then we have had ACA.. ACA was a stepping stone for better things to come. but idiots fought and most of the time lost like 57 repeals and 2 visits to SCOTUS.
            ACA yes. it has gone up… but so did the other insurance… in fact it went up 131% in the previous 10 years.. AND still had their junk policies.. that you thought were so dear.

          2. Scrubjay says

            wrong again.

          3. gotabgood says

            what am I wrong about?? show me your source… I will guess that you mean about the 131%?

            Health Insurance Premiums

            Health Insurance Premiums Up 131% in Last Ten Years

            Today, the average cost of a family health insurance offered by an
            employer is $13,375. That’s up 131% over the last decade—a period in which
            inflation rose only 28%. And one estimate says that if costs continue on their
            current trajectory, premiums will go up another 166% in the decade ahead.

            The data was collected by the Kaiser Family Foundation and comes via USA Today:

            Since 1999, health insurance premiums for families rose 131%, the report
            found, far more than the general rate of
            inflation, which increased 28% over the same period. Overall, health care
            in the United States is expected to cost $2.6 trillion this year, or 17% of the nation’s economy, according
            to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

            At the same time costs have gone up
            dramatically, the policies have grown
            less generous, and more likely to add
            deductibles to be paid by the policy holder:

            The annual survey of more than 2,000 companies also found that 40% of
            small-business employees enrolled in individual health plans pay annual
            deductibles of $1,000 or more. That’s almost twice the number who paid
            that much in 2007.

            Read more:

          4. Scrubjay says

            real life situations.

          5. gotabgood says

            Sorry real life situations won’t cut it when we are talking about millions of people..

            Not that I am accusing you of lying or anything like that….. but you are a rightwinger.. strike 1…. You do tend to exaggerate.. strike 2…. you tend to omit things.. strike 3…. you tend to make things up.. strike 4…. you make false videos, you take the written word or emails and change them to say what you want them to say… you flat out lie… I think even an rightwing umpire would call you out on the 8th strike.

            Here is a teaser to some of what I said..


          6. Scrubjay says

            Wrong again.

          7. gotabgood says
          8. GODBlessRealAmerica says
          9. Scrubjay says

            Wrong again.

          10. Mathew Molk says

            Stop responding to the asshole. he is below a troll .

          11. Scrubjay says


    3. David in MA says

      Maybe your in favor of a personal health savings account plan ………. that the politicians can rob like they have SS, Medicare & _____________________.

      1. gotabgood says

        Ahhhh you can fill that blank space in with the name Rick Scott. Know him? He stole millions from Medicare and pleaded the 5th about 50 times, (exaggeration), then you rewarded him by making him governor…. TWICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    4. Deborah G says

      You are a COMPLETE MORON> Harry Reid REFUSED to bring ANY of their plans to the floor for a vote. He just ran the country off a cliff. I hope that old bastard meets his maker in depends

    5. Scrubjay says

      Health care was and is assured for every citizen and illegal alien. Insurance is totally different.

      Why can’t Democrats tell the truth about this?

      1. ABO says

        Good question Scrubjay, buy when do they ever tell the truth about anything???

        1. Scrubjay says

          Never, in my 50+ years of experience.

  5. Justin Seine says
    1. gotabgood says

      Since we are into cartoons, here is a cartoon with meaning and easily understood even by a child.

      This cartoon explains why Donald Trump can’t take the popular part of Obamacare and leave the rest

      1. lerose55 says

        Trump cannot just take out the popular part, b/c we need competition between insurance companies to get the prices down.

        1. gotabgood says

          Prices have gone down… well I should say the increase has slowed..

          1. Scrubjay says

            The costs for my family have skyrocketed because of Obama’s disaster.
            All the graphs in the world will not begin to tell the truth of what’s happening, financially, to working families because of the aca.

          2. Dick says

            And it’s even worse for those of us who are retired or have lost our jobs due to Obama’s wonderful economy. My wife’s Obamacare insurance would cost us MORE than my social security check each month and the deductible would be over 5 figures. That is if we could afford it. So we go without insurance and this year our “penalty” would be over $2000.00. We may not file taxes because we can’t afford his penalty. So we go without insurance and don’t see doctors. Was the purpose of Obamacare to help America or to destroy the United
            States and make us more dependent on the government?

          3. Oldcamaros says

            Hey Dick, if you’re on Social Security, why haven’t you signed up for Medicare; all of my friends on it are very happy with it, and it’s quite inexpensive…?

          4. Mathew Molk says

            Might not be any penalties after Jan 20th.

          5. Scrubjay says

            The only people who benefited are those who take from us anyway.

          6. gotabgood says

            Those policies that sky rocketed were one from the red states who didn’t sign up…. or you had junk insurance to begin with.
            There are millions that would disagree with you… here is one group..

          7. river says

            Some states protect their citizens of taxation without representation, Obamacare is exactly that. We are taxed for someone else’s medical needs but have no recourse or representation of those individual matters. Communism enslaves man by force…..Socialism enslaves him by vote.

          8. gotabgood says

            There are several red states to choose between… let’s take Texas.
            The most minimum wage earner is the USA.
            The most uninsured in the USA.
            Now a person would think that they need help.
            Did they put their people first and say you need insurance… or did they say make due with what you have… ObamaCare is not coming here!!??
            The first few years it was free to the states and then subsidies kicked in… all it was… if you have an ounce of truth in you… it was the name Obama… the hate you have for this man… or should I say his race?

          9. Mathew Molk says

            MORE Bullshit

            But the graphics are way better then yours

          10. Scrubjay says

            Wrong again.

          11. Margaret MacGregor says

            You can prove anything, if you twist things the right way!

          12. gotabgood says

            Quite unlike you and yours… either what you say is already twisted or you say nothing to twist as in this post…. but keep trying, one day you may say something worth while..

          13. river says

            ObamaCare is nothing more than a tax, the largest tax increase in American history. The repeal of mandatory insurance is a very large and significant tax reduction. Insurance companies will now have to reposition and restructure their products to survive in competitive markets. The insurance industries are allowed by law to collude and set prices with one another, by law, therein lies part of the enormous increases in insurance, that being said, removal of that policy, abetted by Obama, would drastically make insurance companies be forced to compete without the benefit to insurance companies of setting prices openly in all 50 states. If they wanna compete in all the other reindeer games they gotta play in the peoples market… not the fabricated market of the government.

          14. gotabgood says

            Whose taxes went up? Yours?
            I read where 20 million people now have insurance who didn’t have it before… no more ER visit for them.
            If you are going to tear something down… give reasons, give facts, give references to your belief.
            8.2 million seniors save 11.5 million dollars… isn’t that a good thing??


          15. Mathew Molk says


            If that is the best fake chart you can come up with try to get some training from the graphic arts department at the commie collage you attend. The chart stinks.

        2. David in MA says

          or maybe a rate setting board?

        3. Bob Marcum says

          Any-way-you-slice-it; The actual wording, of the contract, is what matters, anyhow. The fact, that there were a couple of things n the obamacare act, which
          are usable, doesn’t change the fact that, Trump’s contract, when it becomes law,
          will leave the vast portion of the insurance rules, to the states, working with their
          Dr.s and the insurance companies. His experts will integrate their details, into
          what President Trump wants, in the overall, ethical rules of the contract.

          1. Mathew Molk says

            The assholes that wrote Obomacare just dictated their commie opinions and gave no though as to who was going to pay for it or what the unintended consequences might be.

            President Trump had his people ask tons of healthcare professionals and social workers what they saw that could save money in a new plan. – That is SOP for sucessful businessmen. To quote Larry Bell of Bell Aviation how he reached such heights he said “By standing on the shoulders of giants” Trump didn’t get to where he is at by acting like the bust out bureaucrats that wrote the disastrous Obamacare.

          2. Bob Marcum says

            Absolutely; 100 times over That’s what I’ve been counting on, since he first signed up for this duty, more than 18 months ago.
            I’ve never had any hesitation, in my trust of Mr. Trump.
            He’s simply a MAN of the old school, and with a lot of integrity, ( not just good
            business smarts, only ).

  6. barbarakelly says


    1. Dale says

      You need to GET RID OF THE CAPS, makes you look foolish to real folks

      1. jimof ct says

        Your an idiot !

        1. jimmy midnight says

          Using the wrong forms of “to,” “too,” and “two;” “there,” “their,” and “they’re:” and (particularly relevant right here) “your,” and “you’re” can give people the idea that, in addition to not knowing how to say it, U don’t know what “you’re” saying, either.

          1. Mathew Molk says

            Automatic spell check will get you if you don’t watch out.

          2. jimmy midnight says

            Well, that;s right; BUT, automatic spell check won’t help U when U use a correctly-spelled word incorrectly.

  7. Walter Flatt says





    IS this is why you OBAMA,

    * didn’t go to France to show solidarity against the Muslim terrorists:

    * spoke these words at an Islamic dinner -“I am one of you.”

    * spoke of “My Muslim faith.”

    * gave $100 million in U.S. taxpayer funds to re-build foreign mosques.

    * wrote that in the event of a conflict- “I will stand with the Muslims.”

    * assured the Egyptian Foreign Minister that – “I am a Muslim.”

    * bowed in submission before the Saudi King.

    * sat for 20 years in a Liberation Theology Church condemning Christianity and professing Marxism.

    * exempted Muslims from penalties under Obamacare that the rest of us have to pay.

    * purposefully omitted – “endowed by our Creator ” – from your recitation of The Declaration Of Independence.

    * mocked the Bible and Jesus Christ’s Sermon on the Mount while repeatedly referring to the ‘HOLY’ Qur’an.

    * raveled the Islamic world denigrating the United States of America.

    * instantly threw the support of your administration behind the building of the Ground Zero Victory mosque overlooking the hallowed crater of the World Trade Center.

    * refused to attend the National Prayer Breakfast, but hastened to host an Islamic prayer breakfast at the White House.

    * ordered Georgetown Univ. and Notre Dame to shroud all vestiges of Jesus Christ BEFORE you would agree to go there to speak, but in contrast, you have NEVER requested the mosques you have visited to adjust their decor.

    * appointed anti-Christian fanatics to your Czar Corps.

    * said that NASA’s “foremost mission” was an outreach to Muslim communities.

    * as an Illinois Senator was the ONLY individual who would speak in favor of infanticide.

    * was the first President not to give a Christmas Greeting from the White House, and went so far as to hang photos of Chairman Mao on the WH tree.

    * curtailed the military tribunals of all Islamic terrorists.

    * refused to condemn the Ft. Hood killer as an Islamic terrorist.

    * has refused to speak-out concerning the horrific executions of women throughout the Muslim culture, but yet, have submitted Arizona to the UN for investigation of hypothetical human-rights abuses.

    * who when queried in India refused to acknowledge the true extent of radical global Jihadists, and instead profusely praised Islam in a country that is 82% Hindu and the victim of numerous Islamic terrorists assaults.

    * funneled $900 Million in U.S. taxpayer dollars to Hamas.

    * ordered the USPS to honor the MUSLIM holiday with a new commemorative stamp.

    * directed our UK Embassy to conduct outreach to help “empower” the British Muslim community.

    * funded mandatory Arabic language and culture studies in Grammar schools across our country.

    * follows the Muslim custom of not wearing any form of jewelry during Ramadan.

    * departs for Hawaii over the Christmas season so as to avoid past criticism for NOT participating in seasonal WH religious events.

    * was uncharacteristically quick to join the chorus of the Muslim Brotherhood to depose Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, formerly America’s strongest ally in North Africa; but, remain muted in your non-response to the Brotherhood led slaughter of Egyptian Christians.

    * appointed your chief adviser, Valerie Jarrett, an Iranian, who is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, an off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    * said this country is not a Christian nation.

    * said the Muslim call to worship is the most beautiful sound on earth.




    1. lerose55 says

      Well said Walter.

      1. Bob Marcum says

        Ierose55; I have a lot of respect, for those who went to France, to help liberate their people. There is no time limit, on showing our respect, for them. However; It appears,
        that Walter is one of us, who is loosing the capability of accuracy in his memories ( he’s
        9 years ahead of me ). The third president ( Jefferson ), wasn’t around to make any
        declarations of war, against islam, in 1952. That was left up to the incoming President ( Eisenhower ), who had replaced Truman, in the election of 1952.
        Mo disrespect intended, toward Walter. I thank him and my father, along with many thousands of others, for their involvement in the military conflicts.

    2. gotabgood says

      No matter how wide or how high you stack the BS… it remains BS.

      1. GODBlessRealAmerica says

        Cry babyyyy Cry, whine, protest, riot leave the country new song for your Liberal ignorant ASS!!!

      2. Scrubjay says

        None of what Walter wrote can be denied; it is all on the record and factual.

        1. gotabgood says

          show me the recorded facts!!

          1. river says

            Go look up the facts for yourself, Gotabtard. Why would anybody waste their time on an emotional cure for an incurable politiphile?

          2. gotabgood says

            well excuse me while I jump right into the middle of your conversation, buttwipe.
            I was talking to Scrubjay who said they were recorded facts… I said show me.
            You people have no facts…. never! you have rhetoric and BS… or other wise you would post your facts… don’t feel all alone or picked on….. you’re all the same… spout off about facts and when asked about them…. you come back with a typical rightwing response…. ” look them up yourself”

          3. river says

            Listen, GotabeGarbage, you talk about being “typical”, but it’s typical of dependent toilet bugs to allege they only quote the facts when they’re really baiting someone else to do the work for them. No matter how many facts they shove up your mouthy blowhole you’ll scream BS, like you always do. So being as belligerent as you are, why would anybody waste any facts on a know-it-all loudmouh? Never mind, dumbass, you don’t have to answer that question… I already know the facts.

          4. gotabgood says

            You are in a bad situation in your life… you have come to the stage where… you don’t know that you don’t know.
            Somebody brags about their facts… I want to see them…. How can I search for something you have… idiot!
            I give references and normally copy and paste word for word with me adding nothing…. You and your klan all you ever give are opinions

          5. river says

            Laughable, some psychotic know-it-all liberal cut n paste queen comes to a conservative blog just to argue about delusional voices in his skull. So tell me Mr. know it all, you believe all the fantasy you can find on the internet? How about the quasi religious politics of the mentally ill progressive/communist ilk, who by the way got their asses handed to them in the recent buttwhoopin they took, or is that you feel your menopausal meltdown is more than you can take and you need some environment to take your daily homicidal beating? Or are you still hearing those voices that convince you that you’re some supreme socialist libtard who just happens to know where to find his connect-the-dots party policy? But lets get real, moron, you’re here to argue because you really don’t believe in yourself or your guttural colon gas that you espouse. No, really, you’re just here because you’re a typical liberal who has no clue where he belongs, so you come here to take your cheap shots because you’re a menopausal liberal who cant control his/her meaningless existence unless he can cut n paste remedial insults… how’s that working out of you, dipsht?

          6. gotabgood says

            You have your one liners lined up all the way to the deepened swamp.
            What you say is equivalent to the dribble running out of your mouth…. I guess that is your mouth….. smile so I know which end is up..

          7. river says

            I dunno where you get your delusional insight, GotaBgarbageMouth, but you chase your little so-called substantiated posted facts with cartoons. So that Looney tune mouth of yours’ cant have many facts stuffed away in that fudge packed boney skull of yours. Hey, put that skull of yours on a scanner and send me a copy. My anthropology instructor wants to prove that liberal 1/2 wits haven’t evolved much from that of a Silver back ape. (I can hear the whining sissy screaming RACE!!!! clear over here.)

          8. gotabgood says

            I did what you ask and went one step further, I ask for your X ray too, but he said something unusual, but seems quite normal for those who voted for Trump.. the scans are all the same.


          9. river says

            OK, now do what I ask and see if you can go one step further. Stick your head up your A$$ and see how long your can hold your breath, because you don’t matter, cut n paste boy.

          10. Mathew Molk says

            I thought we told you to go back to the safe zone and play with your crayons.

          11. Scrubjay says

            It’s public record. do your own research, or remain willfully ignorant.

      3. Bob Marcum says

        and, you’re stacked so very high ( obviously ).

      4. Margaret MacGregor says

        I remember some of it, and I’ve no reason to doubt the rest.

    3. Deskjet says

      Use your brain for a change!!

      1. David in MA says

        I will say he is.

        1. Bob Marcum says

          Walter is mistaken, about who ordered the war against islam. But; he’s
          absolutely right in other facts. I respect him and his intentions, in what he is saying. Presumably, his memory is starting to fall a bit shy, about who the
          President was, in 1952 ( Eisenhower replaced Truman, in Nov., 1952. / Jefferson was the 3rd President of the U.S.). No disrespect intended towards Walter. I’m only 9 years behind him.

    4. pineapple says

      Hi Family and
      Friends –

      Thank you Greg W.
      and John, readers of the daily news, for this piece!

      Just one more thing
      that the Biased News Media never released for 8 years. And you do not
      think he was a puppet that was bought and paid for with foreign money

      CORRECTNESS…… AND IT’S LONG OVERDUE….The prayer rug , that

      Crushed After Trump Orders House To Stop His Sickest Tradition and you see

      Obama was seen storming away from the West Wing after
      staffers from Donald Trump’s transition team began preparing the Executive
      offices for the new administration. On
      Trump’s orders, one of Obama’s most secretive rituals is being reversed
      and all signs of it removed from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

      the past 7 years, to appease any Muslims working at or visiting the White House,
      silence has been ordered during the five times of Islamic prayer each
      day. In addition, prayer rugs and crescent moon symbols are available in
      several areas of the executive mansion to make Muslims more comfortable.

      (FROM PETER:

      administration has defended the practice by asserting that it also observes
      several other religious moments of silence and prayer out of respect,
      including a full 15 seconds for Christianity on Sunday morning while a
      chaplain blesses a staff breakfast. None
      of the prayer is mandatory or led by a government official, which has
      allowed the administration to subvert 1st Amendment issues, but the obvious
      favoritism towards Islam, which is observed for 25 minutes per day seven
      days a week, tells a story this president has denied for eight

      Trump, who acknowledges that this country was founded
      by Christians and was built on Christian morals, is having all pagan symbols
      removed from the property unless they offer some historical significance.
      Only the cross in the White House chapel will remain for worship. Jim
      Mergernerlerny, head of the team that will transform the White House from
      the Obama’s home to the Trump’s second home, told


      “Mr. Trump doesn’t see the need to provide prayer rugs and
      false idols is a house built by Christians. Washington DC offers a diverse
      cultural center for worship of any kind. You won’t find any special
      considerations for Judaism or crucifixes to appease Catholics, either. There
      is a simple chapel with a single cross on one wall that is suitable for
      prayer by anyone. Our government doesn’t need to be forcing prayer rituals
      down people’s throats just so we don’t ‘offend’ people looking to blow us

      around the US can rest assured that the era of apologizing for our faith has
      come to an end.

      bless America and keep Donald safe and alive as we are 36 days from his

      Christmas and Happy Holidays!



    5. Parke Messier says

      Thank you Walter Flatt for an excellent post, containing information that all Americans need to know about the soon-to-be-former thank God-president Barry Soetoro Obama. He has engaged in acts of treason in my opinion and has done untold damage to our country. He hates America and he especially hates white people. He is a racist, a liar, a marxist, and a known acolyte of Saul Alinsky. He was forced to relinquish his law license in Illinois, as was Michele, when it was discovered that information on his application for his license was apparently fraudulent. Ditto Michele. Rather than submit to an investigation, he surrendered his license. Ditto Michele. He was desperate to hide things about himself that he knew would harm him politically. And I don’t think that the apparently fraudulent information pertained to his sexual preference, his taste for coke or that he’s muslim. I think it pertained to legal statistics which would disqualify him from running for federal office. Well, he has tried to hide his sexual preference. Just saying. But that wouldn’t be part of his application anyway. He attended Occidental College in California on a foreign-student scholarship! While there, according to people who knew him, he spent most of his time smoking dope with his Pakistani boyfriend. Also according to fellow students, he showed no particular intellect. Mediocre at best. Yet he somehow transferred to Columbia??? Even though none of the political science professors at Columbia remember him or had him in their classes??!!! And he supposedly got his degree in political science from Columbia???!!!!!! And then there are the comments from his fellow members of the Harvard Law Review. That’s an interesting read. The guy is a fraud in every conceivable way. Frighteningly unqualified to assume the position of leader of the free world. And the past disastrous 8 years have only underscored his total lack of ability.

      1. Parke Messier says

        P.S. How does one graduate from Columbia with a degree in political science without taking any political science classes????? I’m confused.

        1. Mathew Molk says

          Easy, everybody get a trophy,,,and a degree of their choice.

          The only thing a bachelors degree indicates to me is there is a 75% chance they can read,,,at our 8th grade level.

  8. Daniel Mount says

    Well an Affordable Health Insurance Rate for Donald Trump may not be that affordable for most Americans??