The Government Wants to Know Where, When, and How Fast You’re Driving

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Futurists everywhere are touting the glory of the self-driving car. Google has been developing their version of the technology for several years now, and the results look promising. We could be headed for an era where everyone is a passenger, free to read, work, or simply nap while the car uses its internal systems to get where it’s going. Some see this as a utopia, others as a nightmare-in-the-making, but it’s only now that privacy concerns are starting to rise to the surface.

These concerns start with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s newest publication. It notifies readers of proposed rulemaking in the coming years intended to foster “vehicle-to-vehicle” communication. The NHTSA wants each vehicle to come equipped with communication transmitters that broadcast GPS information like location and speed. This information, the administration contends, is essential if we’re going to move towards greater automation in the future. While that’s undoubtedly true, it brings up the obvious question – who will have access to the broadcasted information?

Anticipating the concern, the safety board has gotten out in front of the question, assuring Americans that they would move forward with the utmost respect for driver privacy. The problem, of course, is that in this age of NSA revelations and Wikileaks, no one believes the federal government when they promise to keep privacy private.

If we look forward to an age where cars are trusted to drive themselves – a future the NHTSA acknowledges in their publication – our concerns go beyond simple broadcasted information. Once humans are no longer in full control of their own vehicles, as CNS News astutely points out, the question becomes, “Who is?”

Putting that frightening concern aside for a moment, the notion of our cars sending sensitive information into the ether is disturbing enough on its own. Could this info be broadcast to local police units, triggering a speeding ticket when the speedometer edges past the legal limit? The government has managed to push through all kinds of dubious legislation with a simple psychological trick: If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. It would not be shocking to see them do the same with vehicle-to-vehicle communication.

Concerns about how technology will be used can’t be used as an excuse to remain stubbornly fixed in the past, but ethical conversations should always accompany the arrival of new possibilities. If the ultimate point of better technology is to improve the way humans live their lives, we should be vigilant in making sure that it does just that. When it comes into conflict with our Constitutional rights, our ethical obligations, or common sense, we need to have the backbone to say no.

Not even the most astute prognosticator can predict what the future will look like, but we can carry lessons from history forward with us into the brave new world. And if there’s one lesson we’ve learned again and again, it’s that the government cannot be trusted to do the right thing. It’s for that reason that proposals to make new technology mandatory should be regarded with skepticism and suspicion. Politicians will always twist a thing like this to suit their needs. It’s up to us to call them out when they do.

91 Comments
  1. jaybird says

    I just got a letter from my insurance co wanting to put one of the devices in my car for a 5% discount. Forget about it!! They don’t need that for this innovation. Just put in the speed limits, etc, they don’t need to know what I am doing all the time or how I am doing it. I will have passed on before I get to use one of those cars.

    1. David Earl Worley says

      My insurance company offered me the same. That 5% discount would quickly vanish and the rates skyrocket if a person was to EVER speed, especially if they did it often. I’m with you……… NO on the device and No on the “SPY” car!

      1. jaybird says

        Some years back before I retired, I got caught doing 95 on 95 going to work. The nice police officer gave me a ticket for failure to obey a highway sign. I was afraid to tell him the sign did say 95. I think he felt sorry for me after seeing my drivers license (age).

  2. Dealerdeb1 says

    I won’t let them track me either. ALLSTATE never use them again

    1. jaybird says

      They are all starting to do it, I am with State Farm, I just ignored the letter of offer.

  3. Combatvet52 says

    Worry about our country being invaded not this BS

    1. ipsd48 says

      the military oath requires you swear to defend this nation from all enemies , foreign AND domestic. There is no sunset clause on that oath.

      1. jaybird says

        Has anyone checked to see if that clause is still in the oath??

  4. Savior says

    Track the Illegals and ship them back to where they came from !!!!

    1. junkmailbin says

      they drive old junkers and Jose would clip the leads to the unit. what are they going to do to him, deport him??

    2. tod says

      F@&K Washington and NASA !!! It’s Way Pass Time To Take Back Our Country By Force if We Have To !!!

  5. Darrell Murray says

    Anything the government puts it thumb on is not a good thing. Tyranny in the making.

    1. Evermyrtle says

      Reject anything that the government suggests, you will know automatically, that it is not be good for you or your car.

    2. David Earl Worley says

      Exactly

  6. Peter Pan says

    I guess the next thing they will be wanting to know is when you take a sh* t..

    1. Dennis Mirante says

      Not only that, but what color, width, and length, and how many sheets of toilet paper you used to wipe your ass.

      1. jbombznabombz says

        well being that we have a muslim in office we are suppose to use our hands to wipe our asses not toilet paper.

        1. john robel says

          I ordered free curr ans online and put them in the outhouse on my orchard.

          1. jaybird says

            What did you order???

          2. ol jim says

            I think he was saying the koran

          3. jaybird says

            Thanks!

        2. ol jim says

          I know a few people that worked over there in the middle east and they told me that they don’t wipe. They just lift their robe up a little and sh!t in the road and go on their way. Filthy bastards.

          1. jbombznabombz says

            somebody should let them in on apparently this big secret the year is 2014 and toilet paper has been invented.

          2. greenjavlin says

            Paper is expensive

      2. greenjavlin says

        Forget the TP how many corn cobs do you require

    2. Evermyrtle says

      It is all bout control, they are control freaks, so they enjoy being controlled, I daresay that the control they are planning will not affect them.

    3. ipsd48 says

      with microchip embedded toilet paper?

      1. greenjavlin says

        No No No No chip in the TP a low flow toilet (oh that is right they already have them) guess what that does to drains in older neighborhoods.

    4. Kenneth Clark says

      Isn’t that question on the ObamaCare Application…

    5. greenjavlin says

      And how much so they can track your calorie intake. With the world population going the way it is it won’t be long before they monitor and then restrict your food intake.

      1. Judith Robinson says

        Only if mooshil is in charge!

  7. Robert Myles says

    With the 2015 cars coming out with the “Black Box” installed that records everything your vehicle does 2014 will be my last ‘new Vehicle”. Technology is good yes and also BAD, there are always 2 things that happen. Remember for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. As I watch vehicles get “Smarter” I also watch the Driver’s become “Dumber”

    1. Peter Pan says

      Just disconnect the black box.

      1. David Earl Worley says

        I’d guess there would be no way to do that without it disabling the car too. A person would most likely have to find someone that could reprogram the box to not store or send the info or something of that nature.

        1. Henry L says

          Jut think about it, disabling the black box will be a felony.

      2. greenjavlin says

        Much easier said than done. Besides the car will not run without it’s computer

      3. sharon says

        Take it out completely, they scum have no rights to spy on Americans.

    2. Henry L says

      I already stopped buying new vehicles. It saves on tax, interest and insurance.

  8. Mark Clemens says

    Maybe this is why Obama had Cash for Clunkers. To get rid of older used cars that aren’t GPS compatible. I can see the car of the future broadcasting to local PD your speeding, ran a red light etc….What about DUI? Since the car drives it’s self, could the human in the drivers seat drink booze since they aren’t actually in control of the vehicle?
    What if you fall asleep on a long trip & all that navagation stuff malfunctions? You could get killed for believing car advertisements, and not paying attention. Look at the vehicle you have now. You know sooner or later something is going to quit working properly. Also I believe that if the “Robot Car” accidentally kills anybody the manufacturer will deny any responsibility and put blame on the operator, like the key thing w/GM vehicles.
    Are we that lazy, were we can’t pay attention to were we are going, or to drive the vehicle in the first place………

    1. Vin says

      To heck with preceding with this idea with caution and suspicion…just say NO WAY. The Government is not going to spend tech money on any black box with out a simple signal to lock up the car. YES.. with the passenger/s inside. The pretext will be so violators cant run.
      This is also concurrent with the instant they determine any one “might” be a domestic terrorist. This is a mandatory part of the black box because when they want Martial Law… They can lock you IN OR OUT of your car when they want. This is why this anything the government comes up with can not be trusted, Hackers could do mob lock-ins on occupied cars!

      1. Mark Clemens says

        I think there are to many technological obstacles to over come, right now. There are far more government snooping drawbacks than we mentioned. Actually ON STAR already does a lot of that stuff you mentioned. I don’t think I’ll ever buy a brand new car again unless I find a mechanic who could by pass all that GPS Car controling crap……
        Old School, is the Best School…….

  9. Uncle Larry says

    As An Old Veteran And Proud American, I Hesitant To Admit That Government Scares The Hell Out Of Me. I Have Begun To Distrust Their Intentions…….And I’m not Sure There Is A Majority To Curb Their Expansion.
    I Mistrust To The Extent That I Believe That The Present Administration Accumulated Information On Their Opponents And Intimidated, (Blackmaiied) Them Into Decisions, (Or NO Decisions), Which Have Damaged Personal Liberty And Property. How Ese Could They Make Such Stupid Decisions…or Remain Silent To The Decisions Of Others ?
    This November Election Will Tell Me Much. Do We Just Comment On Articles About Which We Agree Or Disagree…..Do We War Among Ourselves….Bitching About The Litte Things….Or Do We Rally As Activists And Make Sure That We Get The “Like-Minded” to The Polls And Explain To The Uninformed Where The Country Is Headed, Or Do We Wait Until They “Buy” Another Dependent Constituency And Add Them To Their Coalition.
    These “Improvements” Seem Beneficial….But Beneath It, There Is Element Of Additional Control.
    Further, Term Limits Would Improve Our Government More Than Anything That I Know.

    1. Judy says

      Just remember your their boss. I think owe need a revolution to remind them.

      1. Uncle Larry says

        You And I Know That…… But Do THEY.
        There’ll Be No Revolution, Darling Judy…Unless It’s At The Polls. Hopefully, We Can Encourage It.
        An Armed Revolution Would Be Squashed…..and The Zealots Would Be Sacrficed.
        There’ll Be No Assassination Or Impeachment…..There Would Be Horrendous Riots.
        Save Your Passion For November. If It Doesn’t Work To Your Benefit, Prepare For A Loss In 2016…….And The March Toward (More) Socialism.

        1. Judy says

          We will never win at the polls. An armed revolution is the only way. Are you willing to die for God and country. I am.

          1. LastGasp says

            Any true patriot is.

          2. greenjavlin says

            Armed revolution in the US is out of the question. The government has the big guns. Besides the ensuing slaughter would just make room for more troglodytes.

          3. Judy says

            I believe the Patriots in 1776 were told they would never win an armed revolution because they were out manned and out gunned. I do believe they won that fight. They believed in what they were fighting for just as the Patriots of today believe in what we are fighting for. Never underestimate the power of someone fighting for their very survival. If the Patriots lose every single American looses.

          4. Uncle Larry says

            I Have To Admit, “It Is A Very Interesting Intellectual Exercise”.
            How many would refuse to attack their fellow citizens and desert.
            Where would international support be focused, (U.S. government or rebels).
            Which side would the “oppresed minorities” choose.

        2. ipsd48 says

          I think there WILL be revolution. The ideology of the leftist socialist-democrats DEMAND it to take ULTIMATE control over ‘we the people’

    2. LastGasp says

      Right on! I trust the feral government as much as I trust a really wet fart.

      1. greenjavlin says

        Your Freudian slip is interesting. Assuming it was a slip

        1. robert h siddell, jr says

          I think he met felon government.

    3. jaybird says

      NSA has admitted to hacking into some Congressional computers. I have said all along that they/familys are being blackmailed either by NSA OR IRS.

      I agree with everything you posted and I am writing letters, signing petitions, talking to everyone, printing out articles and giving to friends, family and neighbors. Grandma might be getting on everyone’s nerves but they have not started avoiding me yet.

    4. greenjavlin says

      So would the NO vote. The ability to vote no on every ballot would mean your vote mattered even if you just said NO.

      1. Uncle Larry says

        Interesting Point.
        Let’s Add “NEITHER” and “NONE).

    5. eddyjames says

      That’s what scares me about electric cars. Short range and sooner than later they will be able to limit the area in which you are allowed to travel. Passport comrade? Permit to hook to a charging station. Remote kill switch. Obarely can’t wait to sign a pResidential proclamation giving him a kill switch on personal travel, only to a democrat polling station if you’re going to vote twice for him. There is a need to know when and where you be going and they don’t need to know.

      .

  10. Judy says

    None of their Damn business. They don’t pay my insurance or my tickets.

    1. Mark Clemens says

      ………but Flow needs to know!
      Now thats PROGRESSIVE (intrusion)

      1. Judy says

        Screw flo progressive sucks.

  11. Judge Ely says

    Hell just send all illegals to California and let those fools pay for them. Run the boarder rent a preprogrammed vehicle to California. Stopping at Moonbeam Jerry Browns home

  12. wdcraftr says

    Imagine if Hitler or Stalin had this technology? In end times, every man, woman, and child that’s a true Christian, and hasn’t taken the Mark of the Beast, can be tracked, monitored, imprisoned, and beheaded, because there is No place to hide from drones, gps, etc, except maybe under ground in a hidden location.. God said that except for the Elect’s sake, No one would be spared..

    1. jaybird says

      The Liberals will tattle on you if you do not follow the rules in America when the SHTF.

  13. brenda Harrell says

    They will not put this krap on my car and if they do it will be ripped out. I guess I’ll have to move somewhere you can drive a horse and buggy, or a small town and ride a bike. This government is getting way out of control and they want to control us.

  14. James Maxwell says

    BS this is just another scam so that “Big Brother” can further control us and how we live our lives. If they
    put such a device in cars they will soon discover that we will find ways to remove them from the
    vehicle or else hack it so it will read what I want it to. Not going to make it easier for them to just mail
    me a ticket for speeding while they sitting back eating donuts and coffee.

    1. ipsd48 says

      or scramble the data so they can’t use it

      1. James Maxwell says

        Opps, my compute crashed and we sent it to the recycle yard already? Isn’t that what
        they claim???

    2. jaybird says

      The new cars might already have them.

      1. wdcraftr says

        New cars, computers, laptops, maybe ipads, and some home appliances, already have tracking chips. They just want more control and tracking of every single person on earth. Also control of all water sources, food supplies, energy, etc. Once they eliminate cash, then they can control your purchase card, and decide whether you can buy or sell also.. It’s All written in the Bible..

        1. waybackwhen says

          ONLY IF WE ALLOW IT!

  15. badger says

    Tell the Government to shove it.

  16. LastGasp says

    Sounds like they want to start charging us by the mile for driving. Too much control, not enough accountability makes for tyranny.

  17. SFC US Army Retired says

    The last time I checked this was still somewhat of a free country. I realize we are slipping further and further away. The want to be government doesn’t have a need to know about private citizens. Go after Americas enemies like Al Qaeda, ISIS, Obama, Holder, Reid, ect..

  18. rockyvnvmc says

    I, personally, wouldn’t trust a computer driven vehicle to keep me safe. I may just be old fashion, but I prefer to be the one doing the driving. I actually enjoy it.
    God Forbid they put such technology on one of my Motorcycles!!! That would be even more insane that motorcycle seatbelts !!!

  19. Brad Arkle says

    It sounds a lot like a novel by Robert A. Heinlein called Revolt in 2100. Must read.

  20. librtyship says

    Hang on to the car you have now with decent maitenance today’s cars will go a long long way!!

  21. waybackwhen says

    I don’t have a “smart phone” for that very reason!! I have “dumb phone” that is several years old and it takes pics, works well, I don’t text and I will keep it!

    I don’t speed or go anywhere special, but the Government does not need to follow me!

    Obama is out of control and it is a shame the liberals can’t understand what he is doing to this country!

    1. Charles says

      What makes you think the lieberals can’t understand it?

      That “dumb phone” you are carrying around tells the government where it is on an ongoing basis.

  22. Jeff Brooke says

    These black boxes are rubbish. They tell us that we can get a discount
    by driving within a narrow set of perimeters; don’t speed, don’t
    accelerate hard, don’t brake hard, and take the corners slow. This is
    BS, we already have a system that works as good as can be expected given
    the source. This method is “don’t make claims” People that don’t make
    claims should get discounts, people that make more than one claim
    perhaps should see a temporary increase, however that is somewhat
    irrelevant to the topic. It is actually very simple, people who don’t
    file a claim are not costing insurance companies, or other drivers
    an increase on premiums. I am 52 years old and I for one have never made a claim to any insurance company for any reason, I’d no doubt be totally pissed off if I added up all the cash I have paid for insurance so far.

    Not only would mandatory installation of such devices
    be an invasion of privacy, it is just stupid. People have enough things
    to concentrate on without having to keep checking their speed. These
    devices also clog up traffic, People who have these devices hold up
    traffic, particularly at intersections. They put the throttle down at a
    snails pace, can’t have any maniacal acceleration showing up on the
    box, their premiums will go up. As a result of this, only a few people
    are able to get through an intersection before the light goes red again.
    I have seen more than a couple times over the summer where only three
    or four cars make it through, that is fucking stupid!

    The retards
    running this country have lost their way a long time ago, and the
    really scary part is that said retardation is growing exponentially.
    What part about “right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”
    do they not get? Also, let us not forget that the drivers involved in
    the least accidents are those who drive in the 80th percentile. The 80th percentile is in fact one of only two acceptable methods of posting speed limits. People
    need to concentrate on awareness of their surroundings whilst driving, not babysitting an intrusive spy mechanism.

  23. Vin says

    Well, the black boxes will have over-ride door locks signals. Hackers or the NSA or any one else could lock you IN or OUT of your car anytime. If you are not the driver you are not free. I like the comment that the smarter the cars, the dumber the driver is allowed to be.

  24. adrianvance says

    “1984” has come and gone. It is “2014” and worse!

    Google “Two Minute Conservative.” When you speak they will listen.

  25. ARCLight_Vet says

    We’ve got 1984, Fahrenheit 451, Soylent Green, and next will be V for Vendetta going on.

  26. Charles says

    They checked my “how fast” with radar about 3 times in the past. Since I’m now 85, they don’t need to bother.

  27. WhiteFalcon says

    They don’t bring out the fact that it takes a few seconds for the signal to travel from the GPS to a satellite and back so that the GPS can react, and those few seconds can be critical.

  28. adrianvance says

    “Power! Power! More power!” that is all they want; all of it.

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” and get some verbal bullets for liberals and greens.

  29. badger says

    How I drive and where I go is none of their dam business. This is not Russia.

  30. Guest says

    There
    was a time I was proud of America and NASA with a patriot’s heart. Today, thy
    are as anti-American as possible and their new media hides it from the Sheeple.
    I liked being proud of NASA and what they could do. I later learned about the
    NAZI’s in NASA then and the muslims today that don’t much care for Americans,
    but it’s Mr. obama’s NASA today and that brings me to his criminal government.
    He went to his Sheeple and said he was all about cutting government spending and
    getting more jobs for the Sheeple. So, how did that work out for America? Well,
    the 40 hour work week with some “O.T.” is gone, much like the middle class.
    American Homeless Family’s on the rise. Look around at our country today, no
    more space trips, no jobs, food turned into garbage with the government GMO
    programs. Vaccines that are poisonous to our kids ad the tech’s know it and a
    CDC whistle blower has stepped up saying they cooked the books, the government
    media has not covered the breaking government criminal acts, and the list keep
    on going. You can’t be proud of that. Common Core BS is an attack on our kids
    and the future of our country. Open boarders is the next huge attack on America
    and this time, Americans will die in mass in our streets and it was all planned
    that way by this administration. After the attacks hit an American town, obama
    marshal law will be forced on all of us. America will end that day and whimper
    off into a train car OR NOT!!! With a spark of hope and to know the democrats
    and rino’s will not win in this another created crisis, we will survive.

  31. Kevin Kinney says

    There
    was a time I was proud of America and NASA with a patriot’s heart. I’m proud of
    what America could be, not about what it is today. America is not the American
    Government, no beeping way, America is the People and our government, once
    worked and where elected by the American People. Today, the government is about
    as anti-American as possible and their news media hides it from the Sheeple. I
    liked being proud of NASA and what they could do. I later learned about the
    NAZI’s in NASA then and the obama muslims programs at nasa don’t much care for
    Americans, but it’s Mr. obama’s NASA today and that brings me to his criminal
    government. He went to his Sheeple and said he was all about cutting government
    spending and getting more jobs for the Sheeple. So, how did that work out for
    America? Well, the 40 hour work week with some “O.T.” is gone, much like the
    middle class. The near brain dead Sheeple are either unaware of the attacks from
    with in or don’t care American Homeless Family’s on the rise. Look around at our
    country today, no more space trips, no jobs, food turned into garbage with the
    government GMO programs and the cheap GMO food is going up and up. We got toxic
    food because it could be produced cheaper and in abundance, another criminal
    government attack on America… Vaccines that are poisonous to our kids ad the
    tech’s know it and a CDC whistle blower has stepped up saying they cooked the
    books, the government media has not covered the breaking government criminal
    acts, and the list keep on going. You can’t be proud of that. Common Core BS is
    an attack on our kids and the future of our country. Open boarders is the next
    huge attack on America and this time, Americans will die in mass in our streets
    and it was all planned that way by this administration. After the attacks hit an
    American town, obama marshal law will be forced on all of us. America will end
    that day and whimper off into a train car OR NOT!!! With a spark of hope and to
    know the democrats and rino’s will not win in this another created crisis, we
    will survive.

  32. sharon says

    Who gives a rats ear end what the dirty government wants to know, why are we letting these scum take over our lives like this. Since when do they have to know everything, there are a little over 500 of these lowlife’s in our government, it’s time to make changes, big changes starting at the white house and going all the way down to local levels. Chit rolls down hill, we need to shove it back where it belongs. Stand up America for your rights.

  33. sharon says

    I will never buy another new car, if they are going to spy on us like the scum they are.

  34. sharon says

    Obama and the NWO are very busy.

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