Trump Admin: President Won’t Sign Any Hikes in Middle Class Taxes


Amid reports and rumors that some in the middle class would be faced with a tax increase as a result of the GOP’s reform plan, Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney said in a CNN interview that President Trump would refuse to sign any such legislation.

“If our numbers here at the White House show the same thing, if they show taxes are going up on the middle class – on the House plan, the Senate plan, on some combination of the two – he won’t sign it,” Mulvaney said in an interview with Erin Burnett on Wednesday night. “He wants lower taxes on hard workers and he wants it to be easier for them to pay their taxes, that’s one principle. The other is he wants that lower corporate rate. If those two things are violated, he’s not going to sign a piece of legislation.

“At the end of the day,” he said, “if we believe this is a middle-class tax increase, he’s not going to sign it.”

The Democrats are busy spinning the current House plan as tax relief for the rich at the expense of the middle class and working families, but there is very little in the text of the bill to support this contention. Yes, it is true that those in the highest tax brackets will see the greatest cuts, but that’s to be expected from an across-the-board slashing of rates. The highest-income earners are also those who pay the overwhelming majority of taxes – rates that, in many cases, have proven so burdensome that it has led these earners (including corporations and successful small businesses) to come up with complex schemes to hold onto their profits.

But this is a tax plan that has something for everyone, as outlined by Grover Norquist in his Washington Examiner article last week.

“The House GOP tax plan, known as the ‘Tax Cuts and Jobs Act,’ cuts taxes at all income levels – rich, poor, and middle class,” Norquist wrote. “How do they do it? First, the House plan proposes sweeping reform to the way individuals are taxed. The bill consolidates the existing tax brackets from eight to five (the new rates are 0, 12, 25, 35, and 39.6 percent). It doubles the standard deduction and expands the child tax credit while repealing distortionary deductions and credits in favor of broad tax reduction. It also repeals the Alternative Minimum Tax and the Death Tax.”

Now, there’s no telling what the final bill will look like. Many lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have balked at the idea of cutting certain deductions – particularly the ones that provide relief for those who pay state and local income tax. Others insist that the tax plan must include more to encourage marriage and families. And there are still some significant disputes as to whether Republicans should try to remove Obamacare’s individual mandate through the tax bill. By the time the monkeys on Capitol Hill get done with this legislation, it may very well turn into a tax hike on the middle class, at which point Trump would have no choice but to make good on his promise to veto.

Hopefully things won’t come to that, but we can’t say that the last ten months have given us a lot of confidence in this party’s ability to turn good ideas into reality.

  1. chucky001 says

    He had better not sign this turd of a tax bill. There are plenty of GOP congressmen in blue states that will be hurt by the elimination of the SALT deduction, and they could very well find themselves unemployed after Nov 2018, even if they vote against it. Perhaps enough to tip the balance in the House back to the Dems, and hand the gavel back to Nancy. Followed by Tweety Pie’s swift and sure impeachment. If Mueller doesn’t get him first.

    1. mac12sam12 says

      You don’t pay taxes, you’re one of the eaters.

      1. gotabgood says

        so you now believe in taxes??
        you are one confused Trumpanzee ..

        1. mac12sam12 says

          I believe in low taxes and I also believe people like you who don’t make enough to pay taxes should kick in.

      2. Mike says

        the blue state residents subsidize the red state residents as residents in New York, Massachusetts, California etc pay more in federal taxes than their state receives back and red states like Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma etc take more federal tax dollars than their residents contribute.

        1. worn out 123 says

          Who cares?

        2. mac12sam12 says

          Sucks to be i those states, vote republican.

        3. mac12sam12 says
          1. Mike says

            blue states already subsidize red states with blue state residents from states like Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts etc paying more than their state receives back from the federal government while red states such as Oklahoma, Arkansas Alabama, etc receive back more than their residents contribute. why should blue state residents have to give up that deduction when they already subsidize red states? also trump said this plan would not benefit the wealthiest Americans but he of course lied because he and the 1percent if passed will receive millions in tax breaks at the expense of some in the middle class.

    2. Retired says

      Still having wet dreams , about Trump . Get over it Hillary , Trump not leaving !!!

    3. gotabgood says

      Stop teasing…. that sounds so good

    4. worn out 123 says

      Mueller has nothing on this president. Mueller will have nothing on this president. There is a case to be made on Podesta, however. The question then becomes, will he take the fall for Hillary Clinton?.

    5. mac12sam12 says

      Not going to happen because the democrat party is in complete disarray. Seen any Donna Brazile interviews?

  2. ImOffendedTreatMeSpecial says

    You can never count on a democrat to tell the truth, and none of them ever met a tax they did not like.

    1. MAHB001 says

      Nowhere is that more true than in CA. Brown said he would not raise taxes on the middle class, yet his last three tax increases targeted the poor and middle class.

      1. Retired says

        Did anyone think he would raise taxes on Hollywood people and rich ones like Botox Pelosi ???

        1. MAHB001 says

          He raised the taxes on pelosi as well, but guess who drives and who pays for a chauffeur?

          1. AKLady says

            The chauffeur has a job, that beats unemployment.

          2. Bob Hills says

            More great ANALysis

          3. AKLady says

            Name calling is nursery school behavior.
            You made an impression. Just not the one you wanted.

          4. boone1 says

            Block this communist bitch.

          5. Rex Whitmer says

            They’d have to really pay me well to have to put up with her and her friends, like maybe a million a year?

          6. Chi Sam says

            How much were you willing to accept to work a mundane, barely-pertinent job in a factory?

          7. The Redhawk says

            The alternative being Stay home? Sell Dugs/ and WHINE about lack of opportunity to Get a job and work oneself UP??? IS this the “dream” of LBJ GREAT DISASTER???

          8. Chi Sam says

            No…of course not, stupid.

            The alternative to working like a trained monkey is to embrace personal responsibility and get a decent job like most halfway-intelligent adults.

            A job that matters. A job that cannot be mastered in a week by any illegal Mexican or high school dropout.

            Why would you even consider the primary alternative is to collect welfare?

            Is your limited thought process related to your inability to correctly repeat simple, common words you have seen in print many thousands of times?

          9. The Redhawk says

            Well More words totally EMPTY of Valid Meanings…
            Might the Break up of te Black family unit for Welfare . the “Sharpton” plantation Mentality, Excessive welfare , food stamps with no accountability or ” skin in the game” , utter lack of education in the Planttation quarters, be a REASON for Jobs going BEGGING to Illegal Immigrants?? and Idiots like you INVENTING EXCUSES ??

          10. Chi Sam says

            Breakdown is one word, stupid.

            I did not read past that, since my only interaction with you is to point out your dumb mistakes and you gave me what I was looking for fairly early into your comment.

          11. Chi Sam says

            Breakup is one word, stupid.

            I did not read past that having gotten what I need to call you stupid once more.

            Keep running your mouth, you dumb MF’r. My only interaction with you is to point out your numerous ignorant mistakes.

          12. MAHB001 says

            Sure does, in some states…

          13. Rex Whitmer says

            Pelosi doesn’t worry about taxes. She makes like everything comes from her Senatorial pay. Of course using that office has made her husband a millionare several times over with all the government contracts she’s gotten for his business!

          14. MAHB001 says

            Public service was never intended to be this way.

      2. gotabgood says

        Is that another “Read my lips” story?

        1. MAHB001 says

          Bush really thought he could keep his word,

          Brown never intended to keep his word.

          1. gotabgood says

            Both statements are speculation on your part… truth is, you have no idea on their intent.

          2. MAHB001 says

            Both statements are my opinions, and both are based on the persons character and actions.

            Don’t be a hypocrite.

          3. gotabgood says

            Kind of a wobbly confession, but I feel that is the best you are capable of, so I’ll take it. Thanks.

          4. MAHB001 says

            Except my opinion still holds water.

          5. MAHB001 says

            And that is your opinion…

          6. Retired says

            But his opinion does not count with the majority .

          7. Retired says

            Good picture of YOU and the BS you post , all full of holes !!!

          8. AKLady says

            You really need to seek medical opinion concerning those neural deficits.

          9. Retired says

            Quack Quack Quack goes the loony duck as it poops garbage !!!!

          10. Ron C says

            An OSHA bucket…

          11. AKLady says

            More childish behavior …
            I really feel pity for that child you are holding.

          12. AKLady says

            Opinions are just that, opinions.
            Those concerning Trump’s tax plan are contradictory.
            Factually, the GOP tax plan will double your taxes, but not necessarily all at the federal level. Suggest you look deeper into the issue before drawing a conclusion. You are being taken in by the right-wing Pablum.

          13. Rich Girod says

            Prove this is not true.I got it from the internet from more than one place…..

            Donald Trump was actually born in Pakistan under the name “Dawood Ibrahim Khan”:

            Donald Trump was born in a Muslim family in Shawal Vally North Warziristan on June 14th 1946, original name was Dawood Ibrahim Khan, he studied in a Madrassa in South Waziristan. His parents were killed in an accident in 1954, Capt. Stockdale a retired British Indiana army officer brought him to England in 1955 and later a couple from Queens, NY by the name of Fred and Mary Trump adopted him and called him Donald.

            We should demand a Birth Certificate and his DNA.

          14. niknar says

            Fascinating & probably as true as the rumors about Obama & all the other outlandish fake news.

            By the way, I never knew that Indiana had been occupied by the British. 🙂

          15. Rex Whitmer says

            Rich Donald Trump’s Genealogy is everywhere and you’re lying! His Father was a well known Real Estate person who lived in New York City. Now go do some real research and come back to the column and apologize. Otherwise we’ll all know that you’re Hillary’s long lost little brother!

          16. Rich Girod says

            fake news It’s all made up -He is an orphan born in Pakistan and I can prove it…

          17. Rich Girod says

            another problem with trump’s legitimacy to be President..


            Throw him out and lock him up!!

          18. mac12sam12 says

            He’ll be gone in 2024 #LockHerUp

          19. Kol says

            I know Muslims, close extended family members and a few friends. One thing that has always impressed me about them is that they do not stoop to the level of being bigots and haters like all the anti-Muslim bigots I see in these discussion groups. To them that sort of behavior is shameful and a disgrace. They’d be ashamed to act that way.

          20. Bob Hills says

            obammer killed bin laden with his bare hands and bergdahl served with honor and distinction.

          21. Rex Whitmer says

            Trump doesn’t lie a lot, that’s Hillary! From Bengazi to now, she’s all lies. Before that she lied for lyin’ stupid Billy boy, who couldn’t keep his pants buttoned!

          22. AKLady says

            “…Before that she lied for lyin’ stupid Billy boy, who couldn’t keep his pants buttoned!” …

            Here, in modern America, men’s pants are equipped with zippers.

          23. Chi Sam says

            He’s likely too infirm to dress himself and too fat to see below his navel.

          24. Chi Sam says

            The name of the city you refer to in your post, is Benghazi. It is your own choice of subject.

          25. AKLady says

            Childish crude language.
            Develop some maturity, and get an education.
            A President cannot do anything you claim, or the pundits claim.
            They do not make law.
            They do not whisk a magic wand and create customers.
            They do not print money.

          26. mac12sam12 says

            By every standard since Trump became president things are better. More secure borders, and an 8 year low in poverty and in food stamps. There’s $6 trillion more floating around the economy and he also came up with a $250 billion trade deal with Chins which means jobs. 75% of O’s jobs were part time. Wait until taxes go down!

          27. Kol says

            You’re absolutely ridiculous and sort of cra-a-azy!!!

          28. mac12sam12 says

            Prove me wrong, Commie.

          29. Kol says

            You’re wrong. Prove that you’re not, Tovarich!

          30. Kol says

            Trump’s spin doesn’t match his tax plan – The Washington Post


            Sep 28, 2017 – President Trump made a living and gained fame by over-promising without having to deliver. At times his flim-flam routine was exposed, as in …

            Trump’s opioid announcement is as empty as his … – Washington Post


            Oct 27, 2017 – President Trump is and will always be a carnival barker, a snake-oil salesman, a flim-flam artist who dresses up a lot of nothing in showy garb.

            How Dems will paint Trump: As a sleazy, cruel flim … – Washington Post


            Jun 1, 2016 – Dems seize on new revelations about Trump University.

            Paul Ryan’s budget flimflam – The Washington Post


            Oct 1, 2012 – PAUL RYAN wants to tell you about the wonders of the 20 percent cut in tax rates that he and running mate Mitt Romney propose. He doesn’t …

            on the insulting sandwich, and the hypothesized … – Washington Post


            Jul 19, 2017 – … at high-fashion clothing boutiques) is “… and you are part of the super-elite” and (2) we laugh a little at what we see as marketing flim-flam.

            Don’t make bicyclists more visible. Make drivers … – Washington Post


            Apr 15, 2015 – … so insidious, so science-fictionally terrifying that it’s going to make the whole “jaywalking” flim-flam look like philanthropy in comparison:.

            ‘It’s a disgraceful job’: Puerto Rican congressman … – Washington Post


            Sep 30, 2017 – The congressman, who has been critical of the Trump administration, was nearly moved to tears during a television interview.

            Four Common Core ‘flimflams’ – The Washington Post


            Sep 17, 2014 – In this post she looks at what she calls the “Four Flimflams of the Common … Flimflam #2: The standards are merely goal posts and do not tell …

            War As They Knew It: Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, and America in a …


            Michael Rosenberg – 2008 – ‎Sports & Recreation

            He had starred at Dunbar High School in Washington; Dunbar had been an elite … He was “the flamboyant flim-flam man,” wrote Washington Post sportswriter …

            Flim Flam Man: A Legacy of Lies – Google Books Result


            Jim Pugh – 2015 – ‎Political Science

            The article written by Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson, gave me cause to stop and think about what is happening to journalism in this country.

          31. mac12sam12 says

            Want the BLS numbers too?

          32. mac12sam12 says
          33. ARTPSYCH says

            It’s better for several reasons: Stock market is freed up and added over 5 trillion in value-so peoples iras and confidence in savings has gone up almost triple! that was the short list.

          34. Kol says

            Your use of the buzzword “commie,” intending it as an insult, makes you look so stupid I pay no attention to whatever else you say. I just laugh and don’t read it. You’re hee hawing quite loudly today, jackass! LOL!

          35. mac12sam12 says

            You deflecting from my two links, have no retort, Commie?

          36. Kol says

            The president of the United States is now a neo-Nazi sympathiser …

   › Opinion › Trump administration

            Aug 15, 2017 – Donald Trump’s press conference was a grotesque display of empathy for violent racists. At least it united the Republicans in disgust at their …

          37. AKLady says

            Reality will set in, eventually.
            The tax plan reduces tax on the wealthy and
            increases it on the middle income earner. Maybe you should actually look at the details rather than listen to the propaganda.
            I’lll sing his praise then that “trade deal” becomes a reality.
            Up until now, Trump has been all mouth and no valid action.
            Reality: Presidents do not create jobs.
            Reality: He has not “saved” a single job.
            Reality: The only promise he has kept is ‘Make America HATE again”

          38. mac12sam12 says

            Read this from the Washington Post. The wealthy’s taxes are going UP! Go here>>>>

            A president’s policies do create jobs just as Hussein O’s policies destroyed jobs. High taxes destroys jobs, Thanks, Hussein! Make America HATE again? How so?

          39. Kol says

            How Donald Trump is destroying the presidency’s moral authority …


            Aug 31, 2017 – Last week, journalist Mark Landler declared that Trump “relinquished what presidents from Roosevelt to Reagan have regarded as a cardinal …

            How Donald Trump Is Destroying America in Three Easy Steps …


            1 day ago – Trump may be the first-ever troll to be elected president.”

          40. AKLady says

            Right, let’s lower taxes for the rich and borrow more money from China.
            That is what took place during the Bush Administration.
            Also, you seem to have missed the fact that the lower taxes are for the upper 10% while increasing tax on the middle class.
            Presidents do not create jobs, cannot create jobs.
            Suggest you go back to school and refresh your knowledge of supply and demand.

          41. mac12sam12 says

            I don’t know what bill you read but the rich’s taxes are going up. Don’t forget also the top 10% pay 90% of all the taxes. WaPo can straighten you out.

            A president’s policies can make or break the the jobs market, During Hussein O’s reign of economic terror, a record number of businesses went bankrupt or left the country because of Hussein O’s policies, while Trump’s policies are creating jobs and they’re full time, unlike obama’s. Trump’s America

          42. AKLady says

            More right-wing Pablum.
            The top earners in this country pay $0.00 taxes.
            They will continue to pay $0.00 taxes, while the middle class pay more.
            Tax rates are only 1/2 of the subject. Deductions are the other half.

            Profitable Companies, No Taxes: Here’s How They Did It

            Meet the 18 profitable companies that paid no taxes over 8 years

          43. Kol says

            How Donald Trump is destroying the presidency’s moral authority …


            Aug 31, 2017 – Last week, journalist Mark Landler declared that Trump “relinquished what presidents from Roosevelt to Reagan have regarded as a cardinal …

            How Donald Trump Is Destroying America in Three Easy Steps …


            1 day ago – Trump may be the first-ever troll to be elected president.”

          44. mac12sam12 says

            LOL! The only troll here is you. Zippy.

          45. Kol says

            ..Survey: Historians rank Obama 12th best president – POLITICO


            Feb 17, 2017 – Historians have ranked Barack Obama the 12th best president of all time, the highest rated since President Ronald Reagan, in a new C-SPAN …

            C-SPAN survey: Obama 12th-best president | TheHill


            Feb 17, 2017 – Obama ranked 12th on the list of 43 former commanders in chief, placing between Woodrow Wilson (No. 11) and James Monroe (No. 12).

            Obama ranked 12th best president by historians in new C-SPAN poll


            Feb 20, 2017 – Just weeks after leaving the White House, President Barack Obama ranks as the 12th best U.S. president overall in a new poll of historians …

          46. Kol says

            Trump the Troll – POLITICO Magazine


            May 24, 2017 – Rush Limbaugh a couple of weeks ago said he was laughing over Trump’s “epic troll” of the Democrats by firing FBI Director James Comey …

          47. Kol says

            Donald Trump Will Go Down in History As the Troll-in-Chief | The New …


            Jun 29, 2017 – John Cassidy writes about Donald Trump’s sexist, crass tweets about Mika Brzezinski, the co-host of “Morning Joe,” and the bipartisan …

            Donald Trump is the best troll in all of politics – CNNPolitics –


            Apr 29, 2017 – Washington (CNN) President Trump did what he does best on Friday afternoon in a speech to the National Rifle Association: He trolled other …

          48. Kol says

            We collected 20 of the most creative trolls of Donald Trump. Enjoy.


            Jun 29, 2017 – An easy way to troll Trump is to hit him where it hurts, like in front of his gleaming tower along the river in downtown Chicago. Fake news?

            Donald Trump Is The World’s Greatest Troll | FiveThirtyEight


            A troll,” according to one definition, “is a person who sows discord … by starting arguments or upsetting people … with the deliberate intent of …

          49. Kol says

            Donald Trump Is The World’s Greatest Troll | FiveThirtyEight


            A troll,” according to one definition, “is a person who sows discord … by starting arguments or upsetting people … with the deliberate intent of …

          50. ARTPSYCH says

            Trump is no Reagan and he didn’t have the biggest tax cuts as he stated- but I’d say he was the best choice over glad rags and grabby $$$’s foundation of confusion..aka- HRC

          51. Kol says

            If you really want to see what Donald Trump is doing research any of the following topics online…

            Trump destroying America
            Trump destroying presidency
            Trump destroying environment
            Trump destroying national parks
            Trump destroying democracy
            Trump destroying the country
            Trump destroying women’s rights
            Trump destroying healthcare
            Trump destroying nft
            Trump destroying north korea
            Trump destroying the world
            Trump destroying republicans

            You will learn that Trump is a horror!!!

          52. mac12sam12 says

            LOL! Swimming in Lake Smirnof?

          53. Kol says

            LOL! That’s more stupid than what you usually do!

          54. mac12sam12 says

            According to the Washington Post, Obama told the biggest political lies in history,

          55. AKLady says

            Obama served the two terms allowed by law.
            He cannot serve a third.
            The insults and lies are old, just as over-used as those which target Hillary.
            Your statement is false. The Post’s writers are employed to do one thing — sell papers.

          56. mac12sam12 says

            75% of Hussein’s jobs were part time and Hussein is consider the worst economic president in history, worse than FDR. The stock market reached another record high today. Bet you didn’t hear that on CNN! Food stamp participation at an 8 year low and poverty is way down. Two GDP’s over 3% and the next one will be at 4%. It is Trump’s work #MAGA!

          57. Kol says

            Survey: Historians rank Obama 12th best president – POLITICO


            Feb 17, 2017 – Historians have ranked Barack Obama the 12th best president of all time, the highest rated since President Ronald Reagan, in a new C-SPAN …

            C-SPAN survey: Obama 12th-best president | TheHill


            Feb 17, 2017 – Obama ranked 12th on the list of 43 former commanders in chief, placing between Woodrow Wilson (No. 11) and James Monroe (No. 12).

            Obama ranked 12th best president by historians in new C-SPAN poll


            Feb 20, 2017 – Just weeks after leaving the White House, President Barack Obama ranks as the 12th best U.S. president overall in a new poll of historians …

          58. AKLady says

            Obviously you prefer Trump lies to fact,

            Two od the three sources I provided are highly regarded financial publications. The expert opinions they have published do not agree with the Trump Pablum you have been fed.

            The Stock Market is a gambling casino — no different than those in Los Vegas. Poverty is not “way down”. Poverty is measures by the number receiving public assistance. That number is down because people have reached their time limits. Trump reversed the extensions. Those people are now without income and becoming homeless. Charities and shelters are overwhelmed.

            I suspect you do not know how the GDP is calculated.

            The components of GDP are:Personal Consumption Expenditures + Business Investment + Government Spending + (Exports – Imports).
            Just which of those values do you think has increased? Basically, his budget would kill most of the programs helping US citizens and funnel the funds into HIS programs: 1) THE WALL; 2) Military

          59. Kol says

            Why do you act like such a total idiot???

            Eye-openers for you…

            Survey: Historians rank Obama 12th best president – POLITICO


            Feb 17, 2017 – Historians have ranked Barack Obama the 12th best president of all time, the highest rated since President Ronald Reagan, in a new C-SPAN …

            C-SPAN survey: Obama 12th-best president | TheHill


            Feb 17, 2017 – Obama ranked 12th on the list of 43 former commanders in chief, placing between Woodrow Wilson (No. 11) and James Monroe (No. 12).

            Obama ranked 12th best president by historians in new C-SPAN poll


            Feb 20, 2017 – Just weeks after leaving the White House, President Barack Obama ranks as the 12th best U.S. president overall in a new poll of historians …

          60. Kol says

            Obama 12th best president, Lincoln first, Clinton 15th: Historians …


            Feb 17, 2017 – Just weeks after returning to civilian life, former president Barack Obama was rated the 12th best U.S. president.

            Historians say Barack Obama 12th greatest U.S. president –


            Feb 17, 2017 – Nearly 100 U.S. historians and scholars have rated Barack Obama as one of the 12 greatest presidents in American history, a comprehensive …

          61. AKLady says

            Hussein is the word “beautiful” in the Arabic language.
            Over half of the world is having a good laugh at American’s such as yourself.
            I provided you with factual evidence,
            You can choose to reject it, however, it simply makes you look brainwashed with the Pablum the right-wing has been feeding the public.

          62. Kol says

            Actually, the name “Hussein: in Arabic is a male name meaning”handsome”… There are are several similar ways to spell it and there is also a slightly different femaie name spelling which means ‘”beautiful.” mac12sam12 isn’ one to be sophisticated enough or that well-informed, however.. to be aware of such things! LOL!

          63. AKLady says

            In English speaking countries, there is a line kept between male and female, Hence, inly the male words of translation should be used for Hussein. However, I refer you to: where I documents that the translations include “beautiful.” In other countries, a man can be beautiful.

          64. Rich Girod says

            Accomplishments of the Obama Administration

            1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.

            2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.

            3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

            4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.

            5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.

            6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

            7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.

            8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.

            9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.

            10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.

            11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.

            12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.

            13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.

            14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

            15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.

            16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.

            17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.

            18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.

            19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.

            20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.

            21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran’s nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran’s petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran’s banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.

            22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what’s been called Obama’s “stealth climate policy.”

            23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.

            24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.

            25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.

            26. Improved Food Safety System: In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration’s budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.

            27. Achieved New START Treaty: Signed with Russia (2010) and won ratification in Congress (2011) of treaty that limits each country to 1,550 strategic warheads (down from 2,200) and 700 launchers (down from more than 1,400), and reestablished and strengthened a monitoring and transparency program that had lapsed in 2009, through which each country can monitor the other.

            28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009, which authorized a tripling of the size of AmeriCorps. Program grew 13 percent to 85,000 members across the country by 2012, when new House GOP majority refused to appropriate more funds for further expansion.

            29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Signed Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (2009), which designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, created thousands of miles of recreational and historic trails, and protected more than 1,000 miles of rivers.

            30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco: Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (2009). Nine years in the making and long resisted by the tobacco industry, the law mandates that tobacco manufacturers disclose all ingredients, obtain FDA approval for new tobacco products, and expand the size and prominence of cigarette warning labels, and bans the sale of misleadingly labeled “light” cigarette brands and tobacco sponsorship of entertainment events.

            31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders: Issued executive order in 2009 requiring all federal agencies to make plans to soften their environmental impacts by 2020. Goals include 30 percent reduction in fleet gasoline use, 26 percent boost in water efficiency, and sustainability requirements for 95 percent of all federal contracts. Because federal government is the country’s single biggest purchaser of goods and services, likely to have ripple effects throughout the economy for years to come.

            32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act: Signed 2010 legislation that reduces sentencing disparity between crack versus powder cocaine possessionfrom100 to1 to 18 to1.

            33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense: Cut the Reagan-era “Star Wars” missile defense budget, saving $1.4 billion in 2010, and canceled plans to station antiballistic missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic in favor of sea-based defense plan focused on Iran and North Korea.

            34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years while increasing programs in intelligence gathering and cyberwarfare.

            35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission: Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life.

            36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.

            37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests: Devoted $330 million in stimulus money to pay two consortia of states and universities to create competing versions of new K-12 student performance tests based on latest psychometric research. New tests could transform the learning environment in vast majority of public school classrooms beginning in 2014.

            38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges: In effort to fight predatory practices of some for-profit colleges, Department of Education issued “gainful employment” regulations in 2011 cutting off commercially focused schools from federal student aid funding if more than 35 percent of former students aren’t paying off their loans and/or if the average former student spends more than 12 percent of his or her total earnings servicing student loans.

            39. Improved School Nutrition: In coordination with Michelle Obama, signed Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act in 2010 mandating $4.5 billion spending boost and higher nutritional and health standards for school lunches. New rules based on the law, released in January, double the amount of fruits and vegetables and require only whole grains in food served to students.

            40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections: Signed Hate Crimes Prevention Act (2009), which expands existing hate crime protections to include crimes based on a victim’s sexual orientation, gender, or disability, in addition to race, color, religion, or national origin.

            41. Avoided Scandal: As of November 2011, served longer than any president in decades without a scandal, as measured by the appearance of the word “scandal” (or lack thereof) on the front page of the Washington Post.

            42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill: Though lacking statutory power to compel British Petroleum to act, used moral authority of his office to convince oil company to agree in 2010 to a $20 billion fund to compensate victims of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico; $6.5 billion already paid out without lawsuits. By comparison, it took nearly two decades for plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez Alaska oil spill case to receive $1.3 billion.

            43. Created Web site run by independent board of inspectors general looking for fraud and abuse in stimulus spending, provides public with detailed information on every contract funded by $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Thanks partly to this transparency, board has uncovered very little fraud, and Web site has become national model: “The stimulus has done more to promote transparency at almost all levels of government than any piece of legislation in recent memory,” reports Governing magazine.

            44. Pushed Broadband Coverage: Proposed and obtained in 2011 Federal Communications Commission approval for a shift of $8 billion in subsidies away from landlines and toward broadband Internet for lower-income rural families.

            45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.

            46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide: In 2009, EPA declared carbon dioxide a pollutant, allowing the agency to regulate its production.

            47. Expanded Stem Cell Research: In 2009, eliminated the Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, which shows promise in treating spinal injuries, among many other areas.

            48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers: In 2009, signed Claims Resolution Act, which provided $4.6 billion in funding for a legal settlement with black and Native American farmers who the government cheated out of loans and natural resource royalties in years past.

            49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Appointed two envoys to Sudan and personally attended a special UN meeting on the area. Through U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, helped negotiate a peaceful split in 2011.

            50. Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.

          65. AKLady says

            Your opinion drowned a long time ago.

          66. MAHB001 says

            TokyoAK, give it up.

          67. Michael Dennewitz says

            Jeeze, are you people still entertaining that dickhead, gottabedumberthanshit?? 😣

          68. Mr Rollo says

            Blocked “it” out months ago. Some of us keep “it” around for cheap entertainment.

          69. AKLady says

            Sewer language.
            How is that 13 year old?

          70. pineapple says

            I blocked the dickhead and don’t regret it.

          71. Chi Sam says

            What an odd remark. Do you often regret such simple, wholly-unimportant decisions?

          72. MAHB001 says

            Ignoring him is like ignoring cancer….

            I do believe my comments neutralize his nonsense for those that do not know that he is just a troll communist sympathizer.

          73. Rich Girod says
          74. AKLady says

            Opinion is speculation.

          75. MAHB001 says

            Is that your opinion on the matter?

          76. AKLady says

            Maybe you should look in the mirror.

          77. Rex Whitmer says

            Actions speak much louder than actual words gotabgood!

          78. Chi Sam says

            Why ‘actual words’ rather than simply ‘words’? Not only does that sound awkward, the word actual means based on action.

          79. AKLady says

            The Legislature makes the laws.
            You elect them.
            They can overrule the governor.

          80. MAHB001 says

            The Legislator is passing the laws before the governor is signing them…. Do try to keep up with the conversation.

          81. AKLady says

            Problem: Bush did not think, others did it for him.

          82. niknar says

            Bush Sr.? He was not only a thinker but a conniver, behind many interesting schemes. You should read up on him.. Quite fascinating!

            His son not so much a thinker, but a puppet of his father, Cheney & others.

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        2. Bob Hills says

          Brown, Waters, Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, what a great crew! Keep sending them back to DC, they are doing a terrific job.

          1. AKLady says

            The people who elect them seem to think so.

          2. Bob Hills says

            A friend who lives in Davis thinks that they should all be neutered and deported, I agree.

          3. Retired says

            That would be fruit cakes like you . Ca. is full of your type just like Florida.

          4. Chi Sam says

            Fruitcakes is not a difficult word. What do you suppose went wrong?

          5. Retired says

            So you would have some thing to whine about , serve crackers with your whine Polly Parrot ????

          6. Chi Sam says

            Something is one word, you semi-literate imbecile. You seem to actually need to have other men look down upon you and completely disrespect you.

            Was this something (see how easy, stupid?) imprinted on you at a young age by your father?

          7. Lightning Bolt says

            Fuckin A that’s why we hope they don’t get in

          8. niknar says

            Brown isn’t & never has been part of DC. He’s governor of California.

            Boxer has retired from office..

          9. Retired says

            Are you saying he does not sniff around Pelosi ???

          10. niknar says

            I don’t know of any connection Brown has with Pelosi other than they’re both California politicians. I checked Google to see if there was a connection, & I found this interesting article:

            I find Brown as someone whom conservatives should be able to admire. He is a fiscal conservative who doesn’t fit with many of the traditional stereotypical impressions of Democrats or liberals. He is someone who is able to reach consensus with Republicans as well as Democrats, & he has brought California out of a very serious debt problem into one of the fastest growing states economically. He is about as independent a politician as you’ll find among either Democrats or Republicans. Don’t believe the broad brush portrayals of the Democratic Party that the right-wing propaganda machine promulgates. There are significant differences among them. Brown is very different from Schumer is very different from Merkley is very different from Pelosi, etc. A few are honorable & others are of the corporatist establishment.

          11. Retired says

            Many like that join the party that controls the area , we have a farmer that went Democrat because the area is Democrat . Around here farmers are Republicans going way back .

          12. niknar says

            It tends to be the natural order of things, but I think people in an area should stop & reflect whether or not the party they keep on voting in has served them well or not. That doesn’t necessarily mean switching to the other (enemy) party, but it may mean either looking for an independent or minor party alternative that better reflects one’s values or interests or trying a different kind of candidate in the primaries.

          13. Chi Sam says

            Very intelligent thought, but how do you propose we convince the urban blacks you reference to stop voting in the Democrats that have essentially destroyed two entire generations of America’s second-tier citizens?

          14. Rex Whitmer says

            The Blacks are beginning to see the errors of the Democratic or Socialist party and are changing. The hard part is that LBJ made many of them wards of the state under conditions that break up families and generations.

          15. Chi Sam says

            You don’t know many blacks. The only thing that has turned any blacks away from Obama policies is the forced embracing of gays and what most blacks believe to be a sordid lifestyle.

          16. Kristie1272 says

            How about we remind them about the sordid past of the Democratic Party? For instance…

            Democrats call themselves the party for “economic opportunity”, when in fact they fought to stop the 13th Amendment to permanently abolish slavery. The Republicans passed it with 100% support; while 77% of Democrats voted AGAINST it. Democrats today call themselves the party of “social justice”, but they fought to block the 14th Amendment that gave citizenship to freed slaves and established equality of rights under the law. The 14th Amendment passed with 94% Republican support in Congress, while 100% of Democrats voted AGAINST it. Democrats today lecture about “racial equality”, but it was the Democratic Party that fought against the 15th Amendment, refusing to give freed slaves the right to vote. 100% of Republicans in Congress voted FOR the 15th Amendment and 100% of Democrats voted AGAINST it.
            Republicans also gave women the right to vote. The Suffragettes were virtually all Republicans. 82% of Republicans in Congress voted FOR the 19th Amendment, while only 54% of Democrats voted for it. Democrats opposed women’s suffrage, fighting it in Congress where they lost and then fighting it at the State level, where they lost again.

            The Civil Rights Movement of the 1960’s did nothing more than secure guarantees for equal rights and voting rights that had already been put into the constitution 100 years previously by the Republican Party. The fact is that MORE Republicans than Democrats voted FOR the 1964 Civil Rights Act. In the House, it passed with 82% Republican support versus 78% support by the Democrats and in the Senate, it passed with 94% of Republican support versus only 74% of Democratic support. Today’s Democrats take credit for civil rights legislation, but what was their contribution? They finally agreed to stop filibustering it and it passed.

            Today’s Democrats also conveniently forget that Republicans are responsible for the 1973 outcome of Roe v. Wade, which was decided by a Supreme Court comprised of a majority of Republican justices. The following justices supported the pro-choice outcome of the case: Harry Blackmun (Nixon, R), Warren Burger (Nixon, R), William Douglas (FDR, D), William Brennan (Eisenhower, R), Potter Stewart (Eisenhower, R), Thurgood Marshall (LBJ, D) and Lewis Powell (Nixon, R). The justices who dissented Roe v. Wade were: Byron White (Kennedy, D) and William Rehnquist (Nixon, R).


          17. niknar says

            Finding an appealing, viable alternative, & not appearing hostile to their interests. I remember Jack Kemp earnestly looking for a realistic plan using free-market capitalism to build up their neighborhoods, & I think he made some headway, but it seems this plan was abandoned at some point & generally rejected by most of the rest of the Republican Party.

            Putting economic justice to the forefront of issues to consider, & offering a much more progressive tax system that would exempt taxes for the first $40-50K in income, at or under which most people struggle to make a living, & raise them at the higher end, which would put spending money into the hands of more people, which in turn would help small businesses, would show that you’re serious about helping out the poor & reducing poverty & homelessness.

            Of late the Republican Party has been almost totally bereft of any new & imaginative ideas on any issue, & they keep going back to policies that have repeatedly failed

          18. Chi Sam says

            Just wait…Donald Trump will introduce Urban Renewal on a scale never before even imagined.

            Given that blacks (or any other properly-pandered-to voting blocks) have very short-term memories, this will not be rolled out until 18 months prior to his re-election.

            I envision an infrastructure rebuilding program that will reduce black unemployment to a lower level than that of white men.

          19. niknar says

            Well, maybe you should let Donald know about your ideas. You can work with him to develop an historical plan that will result in stealing black votes from the Democrats to make up for the loss of voters in other groups since the election.

          20. Chi Sam says

            Do not underestimate this ill-spoken, boorish, infantile huckster. He may not be polished very well, but he is shrewd, and cagey, and is skilled at accomplishing his goals.

          21. niknar says

            No, I don’t. I think too many Democrats do underestimate Trump, since many of the things he does seems to them illogical & counterproductive. Furthermore, establishment Democrats count too much on the public’s perceived outrage against Trump & don’t have much that inspiring to offer as an alternative, & they feel they can continue their old ways of groveling to special interests that have disgraced them in the eyes of the public.

          22. Bob C says

            I have an idea for the Orange Moron – He should volunteer his family for Military service to make up for his Draft-Dodging. Next, he might show us all those Crooked Tax Returns and illegal bank activities. Then Mueller can go to work and remove the “problem.”

          23. Retired says

            Aren’t both parties guilty of that , neither one wants to change course .They would fight till their death to keep business as usual .

          24. niknar says

            Indeed they are! In fact, it is the corporate elite of both parties that stir up their respective bases to get them fighting against each other so that they’re preoccupied with each other & ever more divided & won’t notice the corporatists at the top further entrench their power over government, media, & society.

          25. House Mouse says

            That is exactly why TRUMP is our president.

          26. DAlnB41 says

            I see so much of the same tactics the Democrats used to sell Obama Care to the people in todays efforts to sell the new tax plan to teh people.
            It is by far better than we have seen in a long time; or at least the part we are being told about! I fear tough, just as we were mmislead and screwed over in Obama care foring us into someting we did not want, did not need adn could not afford.
            My BIGGEST CONCERn at this point is the little discussed Corpoate TAx cut. We are being told that by cutting the corparte tax to 20% coproations will be able to pay better wages, increase production, build more busnees, etc,, etc,! THINK BACK over the past eeight years adn think what was happening
            Millins and Millions of Amerianc workers were out of jobs; millions (four million according to Obama) were working illegally in the U,S, at wages under what American workers had been getting.
            AND – (my point) CEO’s and Senior Cor[prate managers were increasing their wage every year by at least 30% while American workers were not getting ANY PAY increases,
            Is There Any Reason To Believe – based on the past eight years – that CEO’s and corporate managers will not do the same thing they have been doing for the past eight years – Pocket the Profits themselves – they and Obama turned their backs on the working men and women of this country before – – – I would not expect them to do any different now.

          27. Chi Sam says

            It’s no surprise that nearly every last poster complaining about income inequality writes like a minimum-wage nobody.

            It’s not corporate America that has been holding you back.

          28. Kol says

            Total idiocy!

          29. Retired says

            Not all blacks are milking the system and vote Democrat , maybe you need to go to both parties functions to learn something .

          30. Chi Sam says

            I did not say ‘all’ you dimwitted oaf.

            No wonder you can’t spell or select the proper words to express yourself…you can’t even properly interpret what you read.

            Saying all blacks are Democrats is like saying all factory workers are semi-literate, uneducated dummies, when clearly it is just most of them.

          31. DAlnB41 says

            I don’t know a lot of Blacks as there are not a lot in this area but I did serve with a lot of them over a 27 year term in the Air Force and Army. Those I worked with were as good and reliable friend as any other person. It does seem there are some who are making it bad for the others but in perspective, I do not see them being any worse than the extremely radical left wing agitators and a media who continually makes mountains out of molehills and then for weeks on end bring in “guest speakers as -alleged experts – of some kind” to add their two cents. The media and the Democratic party leaders are becoming boring and a waste of time. .

          32. Retired says

            Most that were carrier did do a good job . Living between two major democrat cities and everything in between is Demon country , they come for the high welfare and what ever else is free. Drug dealing and pimping with daily shootings is the biggest problem . Our Gov. takes our meds away and leaves the border wide open .

          33. Retired says

            Switching parties would not work in most places , Americans are to indoctrinated to 2 parties . Outside parties have very little chance to get a foot hold .

          34. Rex Whitmer says

            It takes stupidity to keep voting for a party when they have no real interest in your needs. Liberals and Democrats see only that the government will take care of them. It doesn’t matter to them whether the care is good or not apparentlyl.

          35. niknar says

            Do you think that the Republican Party has any real interest in your needs? Not unless you’re a corporate executive and/or are worth millions of dollars & ready to part with some of that money to donate to them.

          36. floral says

            I KNOW lib/dem/progs have no real interest in my needs……I want LIMITED government, not a nanny state, which all the dems have insisted on.

          37. niknar says

            You do so much squawking about your needs, it more than makes up for the lack of interest everybody else has in them.

          38. floral says

            Only you squawk about the needs and rights of women. I just want limited government and I want idiot possible male irrationals to stop squawking about women’s rights and choices and defending what you know not.

          39. niknar says

            They call Hillary “Shrillary”, but that needs to be your nickname: you can outdo her any day!

          40. ARTPSYCH says

            Leftists sure do enjoy the elitist smell of Hillary’s pockmarked ass! Knock yourself out leftists!

          41. niknar says

            I’ve never voted for a Clinton in my life. You’d better direct your comment to someone else. And get rid of the spam that comprises most of every comment you make while you’re at it.

          42. ARTPSYCH says

            it’s not’s how my avg operates when I answer the actual email. So there you have it AK!

          43. niknar says

            AK? I was right. You did direct your comment to the wrong person.

          44. ARTPSYCH says

            i’m calling you AK as well since she acts the same way as you do- repeating yourself is so boring.

          45. niknar says

            Then why do you keep repeating yourself?

          46. boone1 says

            niknar and aklady are both Idiots and need to go back to the shithole country they came from aklady go back to Africa niknar take your commie ass back too the sorry ass muslim country hell hole you came from.

          47. Kol says

            I have Muslims who are extended family. They are far more respectable people than you. Not bigots or haters and not deliberately ignorant.

          48. boone1 says

            So your point is that you are a sorry ass muslim and the only GOOD muslim is a dead muslim.

          49. Kol says

            Sorry, you’re wrong. I have repeatedly stated that I am NOT Muslim, and have said that I do have extended family people who are. I also have stated many, many times that from personal experience being close to some of them and living among them at times I know that the vast majority of the world’s 1.5 BILLION Muslims are much finer people and much more respectable than any anti-Muslim biglot I’ve had the displeasure to see. They are, by and large, a lot more educated than the bigots too.

          50. boone1 says

            If you say so liberal dumb ass.

          51. Kol says

            Your spelling and grammar and punctuation look like a 5th grade dropout. How little education do you actually have???

          52. Kol says

            Your family tree must be a cactus and everybody on it’s a prick?

          53. niknar says

            The only one showing one’s idiocy is you.

          54. ARTPSYCH says

            Hussien: no job growth, 1.3 growth for 8 years, a dysfunctional appointment for the Sec. of State Clinton, transgender nonsense, open borders raping of tax dollars, highest crime rate, uranium for Russia, hated Israel and Iran got billions..turned his back on the average american.. what an effing great role model ..let’s have more of that crap!

          55. Kol says

            “Hussien”??? What’s that?

            By the way, stop blithering idiotically about your silly Russia uranium hoaxQ! LOL! Russia has the 3rd largest untapped reserves of uranium in the world. You’re deliberately ignorant about that??? So that ones as laughable as the right wing nut job Benghazi HOAX! LOL! And, hey, one thing I can tell you as a heads up is that one cause for the difficult diplomatic relationship between Russia and Israel has been Israel’s treatment of Palestinians in Gaza. I know Russian Muslims (Russian-Uzbek) in S.W. Siberia who have family in Gaza and one 15 y.o. boy in their family in Gaza was murdered — shot in the back — by an Israeli soldier. Russia has taken a dim view of that sort of thing perpetrated daily by the Jews against Palestinian people.

          56. ARTPSYCH says

            Then why did Russia want our uranium if they have so much my little boy wonder!

            Then why did our (HRC) Secretary of State which gave control of it to Rosatom the Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation?

            Read up on some facts rather than making assertions you know everything on here you little child of knowlwedge.

          57. Kol says

            Why do you not pay attention? Your mind, what little there is of it, is totally defunct. It is a HOAX! Russia did no such thing. Clinton did no such thing. Visit Planet Earth — mentally — one of these days. Land your flying saucer on the REAL world and look around! You might find it a very interesting place!!! LOL!


          58. ARTPSYCH says

            As. You mentioned..neither Trump was involved

          59. Kol says
          60. mrpoohead says

            Because their company expanded and took over South African/Canadian company. They are the main extractors of uranium and have more experience.

          61. niknar says

            Saved us from a depression, saved 2 major US automobile companies from going bankrupt, cut unemployment in less than half, nearly tripled the stock market, cut to about a third the enormous deficit he was bequeathed, gave us 7 years of steady growth, & caught Bin Laden. Best president of the past half-century!

            You are so brainwashed by that lying, right-wing propaganda machine, you can’t tell right from wrong or night from day.

          62. Kol says

            Survey: Historians rank Obama 12th best president – POLITICO


            Feb 17, 2017 – Historians have ranked Barack Obama the 12th best president of all time, the highest rated since President Ronald Reagan, in a new C-SPAN …

            C-SPAN survey: Obama 12th-best president | TheHill


            Feb 17, 2017 – Obama ranked 12th on the list of 43 former commanders in chief, placing between Woodrow Wilson (No. 11) and James Monroe (No. 12).

            Obama ranked 12th best president by historians in new C-SPAN poll


            Feb 20, 2017 – Just weeks after leaving the White House, President Barack Obama ranks as the 12th best U.S. president overall in a new poll of historians …

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          63. niknar says

            They rank Reagan higher? I would rank him among the worst presidents we’ve had. He definitely was influential, but in mostly the wrong ways, replacing individual greed for what used to be Americans’ compassion & concern for each other, starting the corporatization of America & the steadily growing divide between rich & poor, tripling the debt, giving us Iran/Contra & savings & loan scandals, & needlessly postponing our reckoning with climate change & mass extinction to the point where it became too late to avoid.

          64. Kol says

            I agree with you re: Bonzo The President! 🙂

          65. Kol says

            Do you ever have REALISTIC thoughts?

          66. mrpoohead says

            Which had nothing to do with either the President or Clinton for that matter. Congress mostly! Forget history – “Constitution for Kids” and “Congress for Kids” is were you need to start.

          67. boone1 says

            Killary is nothing but a murder commie POS.

          68. Kol says

            I know from having lived in Russia a few times for long stays with my extended family there that Russia’s Communist Party today considers itself Russia’s “Republican political faction,… and they are very conservative and right wing! Наслаждайтесь, допинг.

          69. boone1 says

            That’s Russia asshole not the USA ,You like Russia so much why don’t you move your snowflake ass back to that shithole.

          70. Chi Sam says

            Jesus Christ…can I borrow this? That is beyond brilliant. I wish I had thought that one up.

            I think I love you…

          71. niknar says

            Thank-you! Of course, you can, my dear.

          72. Retired says

            There are a lot of Democrats that fit the description .

          73. niknar says

            Yes, there are

          74. boone1 says

            100% of democraps fit that description.

          75. niknar says

            Well, it may take leadership, but if you can get enough people in your community to go with you, it can be done. It depends on how much outrage the community feels. Otherwise, the party will monopolize power & rule like a dictatorship if they can get away with it, & they do in some parts.

            There are a few places here & there where a minority party has had local success. It should be easier in areas where just 1 of the major parties reigns supreme, & there is a lot of local dissatisfaction with that party, for example, Detroit & Kansas. Now Republicans may generally be untrusted & unwelcome in Detroit, but perhaps another party could gain the citizens’ trust. Likewise Democrats would be personae non gratae in most of Kansas, but it may leave an opportunity for a 3rd party. An independent candidate did quite well last year in Utah, so it’s not out of the question.

          76. Chi Sam says

            Sorry to meddle in your conversation, but I loathe this dumb MF’r and cannot pass up an opportunity to demonstrate just how much.

          77. niknar says

            You no doubt have many opportunities to do so. He seems to hang around here all the time. But I guess being retired, he has plenty of time for that.

          78. Chi Sam says

            He may not be retired.

            There’s an even chance he merely spelled retarded wrong.

          79. Rich Girod says

            I’m sure you would prefer the Independent Nazi Party

          80. niknar says

            Not I, but I can see that many on this site would rush to become members of this party if only they knew.

          81. Retired says

            Biggest problem is money , both parties can outspend and dig for dirt to make the outsider look bad . then there is the media playing favorites .

          82. Chi Sam says

            I figured you were actually smart…and this comment demonstrates that.

          83. Chi Sam says

            How does your brain know to not write ‘out side’ or ‘in doctrinated’, yet does not balk at botching the simple word ‘foothold’?

            If you can figure that out, you likely will understand why you can’t discern the simple words to and too, as well as how you can use the same word to mean two wholly different concepts in the very same sentence without a ‘little bell’ going off, warning you that something cannot be right.

            Perhaps your little bell no longer rings…

          84. Retired says

            You would not have anything to bitch about , plus you moderators turn off spell check .

          85. Chi Sam says

            You’re incompetent and you cannot possibly just have gotten this way.

            No need to over complicate it.

          86. Chi Sam says

            I’ll bet you have not once worked an entire shift without someone more capable than you telling you what to do.

            Not once…

          87. Chi Sam says

            No software is capable of being smarter than a human being. If you choose to write foothold as two words because you’re stupid, that will not be flagged.

            And only you are in charge of deciding whether to use the word to or the word too.

            You shirk personal responsibility because you’re a fraud…a dumb fraud.

          88. Retired says

            Yes you are a fraud just like AK , one and the same IDIOTS .

          89. Kol says

            You sound like your brain is “retired”! LOLOL!!

          90. boone1 says

            STFU commie asswipe.

          91. Kol says

            KMA 凸 (`0´)凸 凸

          92. boone1 says

            IS that your IQ or your age when your muslim parents got married.

          93. boone1 says

            chi sam is no moderator slime ball yes moderator no.

          94. Retired says

            Member of the AK Muslim clan , attached to Obozo !!!!

          95. Kol says

            Anti-Muslim bigotry??

          96. boone1 says

            You are right about that.

          97. Chi Sam says

            Foot hold? To? Come on, dufus…get it together.

            You make us look bad.

          98. Retired says

            No one has to make you look bad , you do it to yourself .

          99. Chi Sam says

            No I don’t. You simply make stupid remarks because they are much easier than smart, clever remarks.

            You know that is true.

          100. Retired says

            Poo for brains is back .

          101. Chi Sam says

            Congratulations…though it is rather juvenile, this is the first post of yours I’ve read wherein you got every word correct.

            Perhaps five is your limit.

          102. boone1 says

            the commie is back block the POS.

          103. Chi Sam says

            Another thumbs-up post.

          104. Rex Whitmer says

            Boy Google got that wrong if that’s what they said. He’s been an extreme Liberal all his life. He was Governor twenty odd years ago as young man took Jane Fonda to Africa, I believe on California money. He goes way back to sixties, favored Viet Namn over America. Californians either forget fast, love traitors or are just plain stupid!

          105. Chi Sam says

            Speaking of’s ‘Vietnam’. One word, containing just one ‘n’.

          106. niknar says

            Are you sure you didn’t get Jane Fonda mixed up with Linda Ronstadt?

            Brown was unconventional & often eccentric in his political views, sometimes going further to the left than most of his Democratic colleagues, but also at times going to the right on some issues. He has always been a fiscal conservative.

            He did want us out of Vietnam, but he didn’t “favor” it over the US. Most historians & political experts consider US involvement in Vietnam as it was a mistake, so he seems to have been on the right side of history regarding that issue.

          107. floral says

            You lived in Californication while moonbeam was in office the 1st time? Fiscal conservative he was NOT.

          108. DAlnB41 says

            California MUST BE doing great then – – – I have heard almost all of my adult life how FANTASTIC the State of California is doing financially and every governor gets the same applauds for “bringing California out of serous debt problems – – “! And, it seems, California is always grabbing for more federal money to help pay of another of tier shortfalls.
            You can put money on the fact that Janet Napoleon will be looking for more federal money as her hundred thousand dollar College book keeping program is quickly growing into a billion dollar mess; she will be asking Californians to fork out more local dollars and pushing for federal TAX PAYERS money to cover her boondoggle!

          109. niknar says

            California already sends more money to the fed than it gets back.

          110. Chi Sam says

            The common word ‘tier’ refers to a level of a structure of some sort, Napoleon died over 200 years ago, and bookkeeping and taxpayers are fairly common words.

          111. USN Vet 31yrs Svc says

            Thats why he signed the new increase in gas tax. That, in its self, directly affects those working from pay check to pay check. Drives product prices up for anything delivered by truck. Which is everything.
            Also, he made the state a sanctuary state thwarting federal law.
            He is such a conservative Marxist. Don’t ya just love him.

          112. niknar says

            A rise in gasoline tax is a very wise idea. Americans pay far less for gasoline than the rest of the world, & it doesn’t cover the externalities of its use, such as pollution & greenhouse gas emissions, nor the costs of infrastructure such as roads, bridges, public transit, needed to support automotive travel. The federal government should’ve already raised the gasoline tax by $1 to take advantage of the reduced oil prices & start paying for the enormous federal debt as well as take care of infrastructure, but people in DC are so short-sighted, corporate-oriented & pusillanimous that they won’t even consider it. So someone who does have courage, vision & a sense of responsibility to his citizens instead of to special interests, had to take action of his own.

            Glad that California has such a strong, independent governor determined to do the right thing for his people & the sustainability of life on this planet.

          113. boone1 says

            Communist too the core you be.

          114. Kol says

            Wrong, According to Russian communists you have to be “Republican” to be a Communist.

          115. boone1 says

            We all know that you liberal democraps are the communist and take your white sorry ass back too that shithole you call Russian.

          116. Kol says

            That’s very poor grammar and punctuation. Doesn’t make much sense. Try again. LOL!

          117. boone1 says

            No one on this site gives you any up’s is it because you are a communist liberal POS and a FUCKING IDIOT AT BEST. Now STFU bitch boy.

          118. Kol says

            Use lots of mouthwash and I’ll let you kiss my ass… but no French Kissing! And you’ll have to cover your ugly face before I’ll let it get that close to my rear end. FU

          119. niknar says

            Gullible to the core you be

          120. BC Shelby says

            …indeed as other living costs (particularly housing) continue to rise while wages don’t, owning a car is becoming tougher and tougher to manage as it includes a lot of other expenses than what you just pump into the tank. Better transit, not only in our cities but the suburbs and local region surrounding them is becoming more of a necessity to get to work and school.

          121. House Mouse says

            You really believe that load of horse shit? Brown is ruining CA.

          122. niknar says

            Only people who support full corporate control of government, as is the case in so many other states, care nothing about fiscal responsibility, & can’t wait until our environment is so polluted it becomes unnihabitable, would agree with you.

          123. Kol says

            You want to play “horse”??? Okay, I’ll be the head and you just be your usual self! LOL!

          124. Chi Sam says

            The rare clever Internet retort. Kudos.

          125. boone1 says

            Bullshit California has a five hundred billion dollar debt problem.

          126. Kol says

            Do some research and you will learn that Republcians cause that debt problem. LOL!

          127. boone1 says

            I did do my research stop lying on this site and the Republcians did not do the to queer California you democraps did it too your self

          128. Kol says

            Oh, so you’re an anti-LGBT bigot too, eh!?! That figures.

          129. boone1 says

            Don’t like queers nor lgbt and you now fuck off queer and get aids and die.

          130. Kol says

            You obviously did not research at all when you do not know
            REALITY. That’s a good laugh!

          131. boone1 says

            you liberals are the lazy f’ks that don’t do the research. And by the way when the CIVIL WAR starts I will look you up and TCB YOU.

          132. Kol says

            Reported to Disqus. Reported to police.

          133. boone1 says

            Hope you do cocksucker fuck off liberal cunt.

          134. Kol says


          135. boone1 says

            you would like that but you wife calls you needle dick the bug fucker good name for a liberal democrap.

          136. Kol says


          137. boone1 says

            By the way I live five doors down the street from you so look out.

          138. Kol says

            I know your IP address. You lie. LOL!

          139. boone1 says

            It your mothers house.

          140. Kol says

            See, you just proved your a stupid liar. She’s dead a few dedades, why would she have a house??? You look real DUMB!
            But your lots o’ loud laughs! Hee haw again, jackass!

          141. boone1 says

            LOL it’s you that’s the dumb ass here dude not me for believing the bullshit that I said only an IDIOT MORON like your self would believe shit like that. Now go change your depends before you shit on your self.

          142. Kol says

            So how many countries have you traveled to? How many have you lived in? Which ones? Where?

          143. Kol says

            Hey, do you know that there’s a public beach in one city on the Volga River in Russia that’s named “Virginia Beach”??? Really! That’s true! I’ve been there several times! You ever been anywhere or done anything? Anything at all that might be of any interest to anyone?

          144. boone1 says

            Yep sure have I’m a combat Vietnam Vet served with the 25th Inf. Div.1970/71 and I can still put an ass kicken on you.

          145. Kol says

            I doubt you could see where to kick with your head so far up your ass.

          146. boone1 says

            Think so well asswipe I still can kick your liberal sorry white muslim ass anyday of the week fruitcake.

          147. boone1 says

            I’m better then you QUEER BOY A BITCH FOR THE DEMOCRAT CRY BABY PARTY.

          148. Kol says

            Oh, really!?! Then how come you’re so damned stupid that you write “then” when you should have used “than”??? That’s dumber than anything I’ve seen but, then again, you make me laugh a lot. Keep hee hawing, jackass! LOL!

          149. Rex Whitmer says

            Not even Pelosi. No one really likes her excepting her pot smoking friends.

          150. DAlnB41 says

            California has enough old orchards with dried up fruit laying around; why would Brown seek her out?

          151. Retired says

            To jump in when she croaks or finally retires which I doubt .

          152. ARTPSYCH says

            It seems as if you enjoy being a taxpayer who gets his money money

        3. AKLady says

          Sewer language, so impressive.
          Just not the impression you desire.

          1. Retired says

            AK is out on Troll patrol .

          2. Rich Girod says
          3. AKLady says

            Or so Pakistani news claims.
            However, the physical resemblance to the child is quite striking.

          4. Rich Girod says

            AKlady -I am trolling our common enemy-I can get as stupid as they are with the President Obama birther stupidity…and will continue….I have a whole bunch of even dumber stuff that can be found on the internet .

          5. Kol says

            Rich Girod — That should be interesting — and a good laugh! It’s hard to believe there could be anything much dumber than all the right wing extremist nonsense we already have seen in this discussion. LOL!

          6. mac12sam12 says

            Coal Commie, what’s extremist to you, troll?

          7. Kol says

            What’s “extremist” to me? Well, for one thing,totally dumb jackasses who toss around ridiculous buzzwords like “commie”! LOL! It makes you look like you’re such a damned fool! After all, if you had anything intelligent to say you wouldn’t need to act like you do. But thanks for the laughs!! So keep us laughing a lot… hee haw again, donkey!!

          8. mac12sam12 says

            I refer to anyone with a low information status as Commie, Commie. I see that you can’t answer my question, Commie.

          9. boone1 says

            Dumb ass snowflake and a commie at best. STUPID F’KING IDIOT as well.

          10. Rich Girod says

            excellent response- Thanks- I can now cross you off my list of sentient human beings- have a great sub human life-

          11. ARTPSYCH says

            Time to Remember (again)…

            Remember when Donald Trump was business partners with the Russian government and his company got $53 million from the Russian government investment fund called Rusnano that was started by Vladimir Putin and is referred to as “Putin’s Child?’
            Oh wait, that wasn’t Trump; it was John Podesta.

            Remember when Donald Trump received $500,000 for a speech in Moscow and paid for by Renaissance Capital, a company tied to Russian Intelligence Agencies?
            Oh wait, that was Bill Clinton.

            Remember when Donald Trump approved the sale of 20% of U.S. uranium to the Russians while he was Secretary of State which gave control of it to Rosatom the Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation?
            Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton.

            Remember when Donald Trump lied about that and said he wasn’t a part of approving the deal that gave the Russians 1/5 of our uranium, but then his e-mails were leaked showing he did lie about it?
            Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and John Podesta.

            Remember when Donald Trump got $145 million from shareholders of the uranium company sold to the Russians?
            Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.

            Remember when Donald Trump accepted millions in donations from Russian oligarchs like the chairman of a company that’s part of the Russian Nuclear Research Cluster, the wife of the mayor of Moscow and a close pal of Putin’s?
            Oh wait, that was the Clinton Foundation.

            Remember when Donald Trump failed to disclose all those donations before becoming the Secretary of State, and it was only found out when a journalist went through Canadian tax records?
            Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton

            Remember when Donald Trump told Mitt Romney that the ’80s called and it wanted its Russian policy back. The Cold War is over?
            Oh wait, that was Ayatollah Zer0bama.

            Man, Trump’s ties to Russia are really “disgusting!”…*NOT!!!!!!!!*

          12. boone1 says

            I will queer bastard.

        4. Lightning Bolt says

          you bet dummy

        5. Oldmonkey says

          Moonbeam is term limited. Voted against the SOB 4 times. What’s coming down the Democrat pipeline, is as bad or worse, and friendly only to Illegals

        6. Chi Sam says

          The simple plural of the the word ‘ass’ is ‘asses’, you silly ignoramus.

        7. Chi Sam says

          The word you somehow botched in your critique of ignorant people, is ‘asses’.

          It’s a fairly simple plural.

        8. DAlnB41 says

          I lived and worked i California for eight years – have worked and lived in four other states; California was by far the worst of any of them. I seldom got out of bed without wondering what California Law I would violate that day and what new tax or fee I would be hit up for. Worst government in the United States and with Pelosi, Brown, Feinstein, Janet Napoleon and the likes – – it is easy to see why the state is broke and full of undesirables.

        9. boone1 says

          That goes to show just how stupid democraps are.

          1. Kol says

            Your snotty, insulting remark just goes to show how narrow-minded and ignorant right wing extremist nuts are.

          2. boone1 says

            It’s you liberals that are the extremist nut cases it’s your way or the highway now STFU.

          3. boone1 says

            Damn asswipe it’s you communist democrats and liberals narrow minded and ignorant left wing nuts you are. And talking about California the land of fruits and nuts and which one are you it would seam both.

        1. Retired says

          Still out spreading lies and getting the parties mixed up .

          1. AKLady says

            This Pak news channel reports that ‘Donald Trump was born in Pakistan as Dawood Ibrahim Khan’

          2. Retired says

            You are AFU in the head .

          3. niknar says

            I see that the US & Russian news media aren’t the only ones that can come up with outlandish stories. I guess if Trump is going to spread crazy rumors about 1 president, he deserves to get what he gives. What goes around comes around…

      4. The Redhawk says

        WHAT IS WRONG WITH GOP nad DUMMIEC RATS…..NEITHER OF THESE STATUS QYO PIMPS/HPPKERS/ and Mdams Party have any BALLS in CUTTING WASTEFUL SPENDING in IRS… Education… EPA.. and HUMDREDS OF WASTE LIKE PAYING FOR LAVISH PAERIES , LAVISH ALLOWANCES , EMPTY BUILDINGS and Unused RE/.. Some Senators have Made LISTS of WASTE but NO Senator nor Congressmperson has any DESIRE to Balance the BUdget…We Have to FIRE the whole BUNCH!!!! Starting with MC Turtle, MC Vain and RiNOS after getting rid of the WHOLE (D) Socialist/communist party

        1. pineapple says

          The Staggering Cost of Illegal Immigration

          Ron CelanoSeptember 6, 20164 14

          It is no secret that the southern U.S. border is open, allowing
          thousands of people to pour into the country illegally. Ironically,
          Congressmen on both sides of the aisle in Washington are not inclined or
          don’t have the will to do anything about it. Although most support
          legal immigration, there are huge differences on how each side believes
          illegal immigrants and the security of our borders should be handled.

          Liberals generally support amnesty for those that enter the U.S.
          illegally. They also believe that ―undocumented immigrants‖ should have
          all the educational and health benefits that citizens receive including
          financial aid, welfare, social security, and Medicaid.

          Conservatives are against amnesty for those who enter the U.S.
          illegally. They believe that those who break the law by entering the
          U.S. illegally do not have the same rights as those who enter legally
          and obey the law. They also believe that the Federal Government should
          do a better job enforcing current immigration laws.

          Whether you call them ―illegal immigrants‖ or you call them
          ―undocumented immigrants, the undisputed fact remains that when a person
          crosses the border without the proper authority, he/she is breaking
          U.S. immigration law. Just to be clear, there may be some immigrants
          that had green cards (or other legal authority) that either did not
          renew or replace an expired or lost card. This would be analogous to
          someone who let their driver‘s license expire and then proceeded to
          drive a car. They would be doing so illegally. Nevertheless, to put
          all illegal immigrants into the undocumented immigrant category is

          It is estimated that there are between 11 and 30 million illegal
          immigrants in the country and that they account for 13.6% of all crime
          in the United States. No matter where you stand on this issue, the
          facts show that the direct and indirect financial costs are enormous.
          The following 2013 statistics were extracted from the website
 Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113
          billion a year at the federal, state and local level. Most of the costs
          (around $84 billion) are absorbed by state and local governments. That
          amounts to an average of $1,117 per household. The variance per
          household is higher or lower depending on the demographics of illegal
          alien populations. Education costs absorbed by state and local
          governments are estimated at $52 billion annually. Although illegal
          immigrants that work are required to pay income tax, most don’t. Those
          that do get much of it refunded because they are in such a low income

          According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, illegal immigrants
          residing in the U.S. send $50 billion back to their home countries each
          year.2 When you include legal immigrants, The World Bank estimates the
          amount to be $120 billion.3 That is money that is not put back into the
          U.S. Economy.


          Democrats Responsible for Texas Church Murders

          Roy Moore is Tried and Convicted in the Court of Public Opinion

          Happy Veterans Day Brothers

          Roy Moore, Bill Clinton and American Politics

          According to National Review, $1.87 billion was spent in 2014 on
          incarcerating illegal criminal immigrants.4 In 2009; the Department of
          Homeland Security estimated the percentage of illegal immigrants that
          are incarcerated to be between 11 and 15 percent of the country’s prison
          population.5 Almost all the financial burden was shouldered by the
          states. The State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP), which is a
          federally funded program, does pay for some cost.6 However, it does
          not really matter because it all comes out of taxpayer dollars.

          The Government Accountability Office (GAO), using official Department
          of Justice data on criminal immigrants in the nation‘s correctional
          system, reported the following: – Between 2008 and 2014, 40% of all
          murder convictions in Florida were by criminal immigrants. In New York
          it was 34% and Arizona 17.8%. In addition, during those years, criminal
          immigrants accounted for 38% of all murder convictions in the five
          states of California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and New York.7 That 38%
          represents 7,085 murders out of the total of 18,643.

          It gets worse: Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) removed
          (deported) 235,413 criminal illegal immigrants nationwide in 2015, 49%
          percent of whom had previously been convicted of a criminal offense.8
          Although the numbers are down since 2012, they are still substantial.
          Do the reduced numbers mean that there are less illegal immigrants
          coming into the country or does it mean that ICE has less resources to
          do their job or does it mean they are told to stand down? In 2013 and
          2014 ICE set free more than 66,000 illegal immigrant criminals who had

          166,000 convictions (30,000 for drunk or drug impaired driving, 414
          kidnappings, over 11,000 rapes or other sexual assaults, and 395
          homicides).9 Since their release, many of those have already been
          convicted of new crimes including felonies.

          It gets worse: The invasion of illegal immigrants has established and
          empowered many in the form of street gangs. Their growth is fueled by
          money obtained easily through drug smuggling and sales. A 2011 FBI
          report makes many connections between the Mexican drug cartels and
          various U.S.based gangs.10 An out of hand financial and social
          disruption cost to American citizens just continues to grow.

          To make matters worse yet: Laws in sanctuary cities help shield
          illegal immigrants from deportation, despite astonishing statistics on
          violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants. These laws, in many
          cases, are in direct opposition to Federal immigration laws. Sadly, the
          U.S. Senate refuses to crack down on America‘s nearly 300 sanctuary

          A 2014 Reuters article stated that a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed that 70%
          of Americans are deeply worried that illegal immigration is threatening
          the nation‘s culture and economy.11 Concerns include job losses, the
          social landscape, how much insurance costs rise, and other related

          Since illegal immigrants typically take low skill, low paying jobs, it
          would be logical to surmise that some portion of those jobs are being
          taken away from legal immigrants. When that happens, few good choices
          remain for them. They are usually left with the choice to go back to
          their home country, get some kind of aid, or enter a life of crime.

          Illegal immigration is totally out of control and our elected leaders
          know it. Securing the borders and fixing the illegal immigration
          problem should be demanded by the American people. Unfortunately, only
          about six percent of the population thinks it is a major problem (a
          sharp decline since 2014). They are either not aware of the enormity of
          the issue or they are more concerned about other issues.

          The social landscape is rapidly changing and it puts all legal
          citizens at risk for the security of their families and homes. As a
          consequence, it reduces their choices as to where they live, shop, and

          1. FAIR – Federation for American Immigration Reform, “Immigration Facts”

          2. Guest Opinion, 29 October 2014, Immigration Reform, “Illegal

          immigrants send home $50 billion annually but cost taxpayers more than
          $113 billion”

          3. Simon Tomlinson, 31 January 2013, Daily Mail, “Revealed: How
          immigrants in America are sending $120 BILLION to their struggling
          families back home”

          4. Joel Gehrke, 28 July 2015, Nation Review, “Report: U.S. Spent
          $1.87 Billion to Incarcerate Illegal-Immigrant Criminals in 2014”

          5. Jessica Vaughan, November 2009, Center for Immigration Studies,
          “Immigration and Crime: Assessing a Conflicted Issue”

          6. BJA – Bureau of Justice Assistance – U.S. Department of Justice,
          “State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP)”

          7. GAO – United States Government Accountability Office, March 2011,
          “Report to Congressional Requesters – CRIMINAL ALIEN STATISTICS –
          Information on Incarcerations, Arrests, and Costs”

          8. ICE – U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, “FY 2015 ICE Immigration Removals”

          9. WND, 25 October 2015, “Astonishing’ crime stats for illegal

          10. FBI – Federal Bureau of Investigation, “2011 National Gang
          Threat Assessment – Emerging Trends”

          11. Alistair Bell, 7 August 2014, Reuters, “Americans worry that
          illegal migrants threaten way of life, economy”

          1. The Redhawk says


        2. Chi Sam says

          ‘And’ is not a particularly difficult word…what do you suppose went so horribly wrong?

          (And what do the words dummiec, hppkers, Mdams, humdreds, paeries, and Congressmperson, mean in your native language?)

          1. niknar says

            In Indonesian the word for “and” is “dan”. In Dutch the word for “the” is “het”. You at least have some probability when mistyping these 2 common words of getting the right word in another language.

        3. MAHB001 says

          What is wrong is that the Elites are a bunch of Communists.

          The no longer represent the people, they represent themselves… It is a form of communism.

      5. AKLady says

        The Legislature makes the laws.
        You elect them.
        They can overrule the governor.
        Did you bother to look at the vote tallies?
        Would not signing made any difference?

        1. MAHB001 says

          I am no longer convinced that We the People are electing anybody anymore.

          CA is controlled by a one party system. They count the votes, and are not accountable to anybody anymore. CA is now a communist state, where with every tax that the “legislator” passes, Californians are more enslaved to the state.

          “It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
          —-Joseph Stalin

      6. Oldmonkey says

        Don’t forget the 12 cent a gallon increase in gasoline tax. When our family responsibilities end in a couple years we are California Leaving. California is not child friendly, family friendly, or senior friendly, and hasn’t been so for 30 years

        1. niknar says

          12 cents a gallon is a paltry amount considering the needs out there for reducing debt, building infrastructure, increasing energy options & efficiency, etc.

          1. Chi Sam says

            You must have loved John Anderson’s main campaign idea, which was a 50 cent per gallon gas tax at a time when America was struggling with skyrocketing gas prices.

            (In full disclosure, I voted for Anderson in the primary…though for reasons wholly apart from support of John Anderson.)

          2. niknar says

            Yes, although I’m not sure the timing for such a tax was optimal. The drop in prices in recent years would’ve been the right time for it, but the people running the federal government are too pusillanimous to even suggest that.

          3. Chi Sam says

            This country (as do all countries) thrives when energy is affordable and readily available.

            The Reagan era economic boom was wholly fueled by cheap gasoline provided by a gleefully-armed Saudi Arabia…a deal brokered by the brains behind the Reagan Administration; George Bush.

            (Thumbs up for the only usage of ‘pusillanimous’ I have ever seen outside of a cowboy movie.)

        2. MAHB001 says

          Get outta here while the getting is good…. God Bless you and keep the underground railway open… Soon CA will be behind communist lines.

    2. Larry Brule says


    3. AKLady says

      You can always tell when a Republican is lying — their lips are moving.

    4. larry harvey says

      Nobody likes to pay taxes and it has nothing to do with your political affiliation. Plenty of lies routinely originate from the man in the white House.

    5. Rich Girod says

      So why are trump and the republicans in congress proposing a “tax bill” and the democratic party does not appear to approve of it in it’s present form?

      1. Retired says

        It’s not even a bill yet ,so what are you bitching about ???

        1. Rich Girod says

          Yes yes I know you nitpicker . That’s why I put it in quotes

          1. Retired says

            Rich Sorry for misreading , it’s just everywhere one turns somebody is complaining of what is not there . Unless they throw the whole mess out and start new , we will suffer .

      2. Kol says

        The “tax bill” they are proposing is designed only to provide HUGE tax cuts to Donald Trump and the 1% zillionaires… at everyone else’s expense! Personally, I’ve signed probably a dozen petitions opposing it! I suggest everyone else do the same!

        1. mac12sam12 says

 Stop spreading your lies, Commie. Maybe you shouldn’t have dropped out of high school.

    6. DAlnB41 says

      Can you image what a Tax Bill would look like today had Hillary Clinton been elected? With all the promises she made to voters a new tax bill would be doubling the taxes just to pay for all the hand outs and freebies Hillary was promising.

    7. Rich Girod says
    8. boone1 says

      And a muslim that they did not love.

      1. Kol says

        You’re an anti-Muslim bigot?? Why?

        I’m not Muslim. I’m U.S.-born American and have extended family in Russia who include a small family branch of Muslims from the Russian Republic of Dagestan. Quite a few of them now live in S.W. Siberia. I’ve lived there for several long stays and have lived with them and know them very well. They are fine, decent people, much more respectable than any anti-Muslim bigot I’ve ever seen with your deliberate ignorance, prejudice and hate. They are far above that sort of behavior and would never ever stoop to such a lowlife level. They’d be ashamed and feel it a disgrace,

        Ufa ( Уфа ) – Bashkir and Islam Capital of Russia – YouTube
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        1. boone1 says

          You are nothing more then a communist muslim POS and you need to go back to the shit hole of a country you came from.

        2. boone1 says

          I’m anti-muslim and anti-democraps as well as anti-commie liberals like you sorry POS.

          1. Kol says

            So as an outsider, what do you think of the human race!?!

          2. boone1 says

            Well do you ever aspire too get your head out of your ASS.

          3. Kol says

            Have you ever aspired to wipe off the SNOT running down your chin before it can dibble all over your keyboard when you type your posts!?! Get some toilet paper and clean yourself!!

          4. boone1 says

            call the police you need help and your butt buddy obama is calling you him and his man wife want too butt f’k you.

          5. Kol says

            LIlche swabpu krazto zuk? Shiitsta oncha.

          6. boone1 says

            Same to you bitch boy.

          7. Kol says

            Oh, really, you know what it says? What language is it?

          8. Kol says

            Whatever you say, bitch boone1.

          9. ARTPSYCH says

            KOL..youve been here all day- do you even have a job?

          10. Kol says

            ARTPSYCH — what about you? YOU’ve been here all day, do YOU have one?

          11. ARTPSYCH says

            Yes I do-I’m retired but still act like a millennial on here.

          12. Kol says

            You act like a durak on here.

          13. mrpoohead says

            Whereas you have zero substance or knowledge. Great!

          14. ARTPSYCH says

            typical poop head- all shit and no brains

          15. mrpoohead says

            Still waiting for you to refute one thing I said with reputable reference – I’ll assume I’m correct otherwise and you’re a buffoon!

          16. ARTPSYCH says

            you never did

          17. mrpoohead says

            Seven hours ago; copied and pasted. Duh!

            “Both of their pre-election rhetorics were the same – blame. That is the comparison!
            Hitler did not take over industry or much else; bullying and indoctrination is how he took total control.
            Fascism is far-right extremism – always was. A history buffoon perhaps – you can’t refute any of that with a reputable reference. Suggest you crawl back in your cave. Idiot!”

            Still the buffoon. Are you a sales rep for AVG – give it up saddo!

          18. ARTPSYCH says

            your history is so deficient my poor child of leftism indoctrination! Hitler had his Socialist Workers Party and he got his ideas from the leftist Democrats in the USA and Mussolini! wikipedias notion of it being right wing is wrong- they have transferred it to such. that is not true history..below is:

            TAGS The Police State World History Other Schools of Thought Philosophy and Methodology Political Theory 11/11/2005George Reisman
            My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1) To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And (2) to show why socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.
            The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises.

            When one remembers that the word “Nazi” was an abbreviation for “der National*sozialistische* Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National *Socialist* German Workers’ Party — Mises’s identification might not appear all that noteworthy. For what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with “socialist” in its name to be but socialism?

            Nevertheless, apart from Mises and his readers, practically no one thinks of Nazi Germany as a socialist state. It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed.

            The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

            What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed *in name only* under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was *the German government* and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the *substantive powers of ownership*: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

            *De facto* government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.

          19. Kol says

            Nazis Are Not Socialists Nor Democrats Despite What Alt-Right Might …


            Aug 14, 2017 – It was called the National Socialist German Workers’ Party—later shortened to Nazi party—and gained power by promising voters to alleviate a …

          20. Kol says

            Hitler was NOT a socialist. Nazi Germany was not soicalist.

            Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist? – ThoughtCo

   › … › European History › Major Figures & Events

            Aug 7, 2017 – Not only was Hitler not a socialist himself, nor a communist, but he … the National Socialist German Worker’s Party, or Nazi Party, and the early …

            Man says Nazis were socialist, gets schooled by history writer | indy100


            Aug 18, 2017 – The full name for the ‘Nazi’ party was the “National Socialist German … still mired in 19th century thought, could not tackle the explosion in …

            Hitler, Nazis, Socialism, and Rightwing Propaganda


            The conflation of nazism and socialism has gone largely unchallenged by … The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for “illegal socialist activity” in 1936.

            Hitler and socialism – RationalWiki


            Jump to The Nazis are everywhere, Glenn! – “”It this historic hour, we German Social Democrats … No Enabling Act can give you the power to destroy …

          21. ARTPSYCH says

            Don’t bother with looking up Hitlers true political party stance- your just going to be reading the leftists version that’s been tampered with by professors and indoctrinated idiots as yourself who really do think Hitler was a right winger!! Wikipedias version is so bad- it needs to be handled by a true professor of history, not some imbeciles being paid in a cubicle to think like his upper managers want him to think and write Wikipedia and the History channels version- It’s such Fake News of rewritten history even your duped by it- but I digress you’re as duped by Hitlerys salvo of innocence and rhetoric as 50% of the idiot Americans who voted for her HMS Shitlery..I see an iceberg ahead you’d better not tell Shitlery about it- she won’t listen to you nor her underlings nor us deplorables! I told my leftist friend last 2016 September that I truly believed Trump would win the election..he laughed out loud at me and said I was an idiot in so many words! I guess I was 100% right. I’m sure Shitlery will poop her pants by next year as she is sat down in another inquiry about her failure to run the SoS with perfect diligence and in regards to the safety of all us Deplorables! She had better bring a lot of “Depends” diapers!

          22. Kol says

            ARTPSYCH –Why don’t you bother to use “your” and “you’re” correctly as you type your silly nonsense so that you don’t look like such a total ignoramus!? You really don’t know any better? Geesh!!

          23. ARTPSYCH says

            I caught that but it was too late your ayatollah highness of spelling errors..oh your highness of perfection do thouest forgive my truest error! Hitlery awaits your help to steer the HMS Shitlery!

          24. Kol says

            As an anti-Muslim bigot, you are lower than dogshit IMHO.

          25. ARTPSYCH says

            I have nothing against good muslims who want to be free- take the Kurds in N. Syria- they are our allies and Israels! What do you say about that? My little child- you do need to grow up these tantrums you throw are not good for a good bowel movement tomorrow. maybe you should join a cult and then you can be involved in some sort of brainwashing to calm your rants..

          26. Kol says

            Derp. blah blah blah

          27. ARTPSYCH says

            That’s a good you’re learning to cooperate.

          28. Kol says

            Same silly bullshit. Grow up!

          29. ARTPSYCH says

            Guess you can’t take a parents reprimand well- i’ll bet your job is a pain in the as for you as well.

          30. Kol says



          31. ARTPSYCH says

            ASS for you as well

          32. Kol says

            You’re such a silly Мудакk! LOL!

          33. ARTPSYCH says

            ASS for you as well

          34. ARTPSYCH says

            obviously, your intelligence is lacking in sound intellect when you don’t want to answer a question your resort to your SAFE ROOM and yell DERP>>hahahahahahaha

          35. Kol says

            Why are you a mудак

          36. Kol says

            No, you obviously did not catch that… you make that same mistake repeatedly, over and over, and rarely ever use them correctly when you post your snotty, insulting remarks.

          37. Kol says

            Actually, I probably know a great deal more than you about Hitler and Nazis and Nazi Germany. When I’ve been in Russia I’ve toured quite a few of the WWII museums and memorial parks, etc., had a very close look at and learned a great deal about what the Russians suffered at the hands of the Nazis invading Russia. So I’ve seen firsthand what the Nazis were really like. And I’ve talked to people who dealt with them face to face.

          38. mrpoohead says

            No, instead read the Mises Institutes – far right claptrap with no references just what one person thinks. One article claims Nazis were socialists, another that Hitler was a fantastic economist – hardly the remit of socialism. Also, he had the remedy for unemployment – again not normally a socialist thing.
            Better still; they endorsed Ron Paul, possibly the most right wing politician we’ve had and their general goal is anarcho-capitalism. Great; what gave us the Great Depression? Extreme capitalism, we then put regulations in place to stop these idiocies happening again. We repealed them and we gave the world the Great Depression II, aka Financial Crisis 2008. Priceless! I’m in business, I’m a capitalist, a little regulation makes a lot of sense. Moron!
            I should change your moniker, ARTPYCHO and get that lobotomy done too.

          39. mrpoohead says

            Nazi’s were fascists – far right! Democratic People’s Republic of Korea – that’s N Korea, is it democratic? We are supposed to be a federal republic but in reality we are a plutocracy. A title don’t make it so. Nazis were far-right when I was at school, in Encyclopedia Britannica in the 50’s and Wikipedia today. The latter at least references their reasoning at the bottom – you over hyperbole and BS plus zero substance.
            Mises Institute – far right claptrap. Suggest you find something better. It endorses child labor and racism.

    9. skisok says

      Well, these proposals are taxes on top of taxes. You have to pay federal income tax on top of state income tax. And if your property taxes are more tha $10K, you have to pay federal taxes on top of those. All of these f***ing politicians are the same. They all like taxes and just play a shell game.

  3. junkmailbin says

    lets see how the unity of purpose work with the republican prima donnas. They have a large number of my way or the highway types that will sink anything that comes along.
    If they all hang together and pass tax relief and kill Ogayarabcare, the republican majorities will increase.
    the current path looks like arseholes McCain, Paul, Graham etc will sink everything with their over inflated heads

  4. messup says

    Simple! “The-Fix-Is-In!” or “Tinkering-Around-The-Edges!” Existing Tax Code and Enrolled Agents will continue (with additional 400 pages of new TAX CODE verbiage added to existing 74,000 page TAX CODE). IRS will expand, adding another 300 “Boot Strapped” purveyors of “command-and-control.” who answer only to We The Elite Corrupt, Crony-Capitalist’s in ALL of Washington DC. Folks, only solution? 2018, “Clean Sweep, Clean House!” Vote These sleeze balls out of office. $174,000 dollars a year ro do nothing (but play We The People like a Strad)!!! What a joke! House has passed 193 new pieces of legislation. US Senate is sitting on 283 existing Bills (in boxes, untouched). Now, and additional 183 more!!! That’s 466 Bills going into boxes while Senate and House play tiddly-winks with useless Hearings and “Getting-to-the-bottom-of-this!” KABUKI THEATRE. Vote these ELITES OUT -2018. Pray. Amen. God Bless America and ALL Americans. Read A Bible. NKJV Psalm 128

    1. Ed. says

      Messup. Eliminate the IRS completely vote in the “Fair Tax”. That is the consumption tax that you pay just like state and city tax, when you buy something new you pay tax. Buy your Lear jet and pay the tax on it buy a Ford and you pay on that. Buy a used Ford and NO TAX. The rich pay rich tax on their new BMW, the poor pay only tax on what they buy new. Eliminating the IRS cuts payroll and shenanigans out of the picture saving salaries and cheating. NO April 15 nonsense.

  5. MAHB001 says

    Sounds like the President still has our back, even though the Elites don’t.

    1. gotabgood says

      He has your back all right….while he is picking your wallet clean!

      1. MAHB001 says

        Not Trump, but the Elites are and have been for ever.

        The big difference is that the Elites have dolts like you that can’t tell or don’t care if they are getting screwed that are mindlessly fighting every step Trump makes towards making America Great Again…

        1. gotabgood says

          Gotta to hand it to you there… Trump uses tic tacs before he screws you..

          1. MAHB001 says

            Trump hasn’t screwed me yet..

            Trump has been slowed down by the Republican Elites, but I do not see that as screwing me.

            You know who is screwing me is the Republican Elites.

          2. gotabgood says

            Have you seen the bills that Trump is trying to pass??? Those Republican Elites are saving your butt, if not you, some of your family.

          3. Retired says

            As one of your way back posts , the president does not write Bills .

          4. gotabgood says

            No…….. but he signs them into law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          5. Retired says

            Are you talking from first hand knowledge , how did they taste ????

          6. Sammy says

            Oh my god, do you ever shut up gottabeansss? Typical malcontent, spewing hatred and backing nothing with facts. I’m sure I’ll be just one more in a long line to block your stupidity.

          7. gotabgood says

            What facts would you like?? Trump using Tic Tacs”
            A little over half way through he tells you he uses TicTacs and even why..

          8. mac12sam12 says

   #MAGA! Trump’s name wasn’t mentioned. Kevin Spacey, Alan Dershowitz and the king of pervasion himself, Bubba the love sponge.

      2. Retired says

        That would include you as well , but then you dead beats pay no taxes .

      3. mac12sam12 says

        How is Trump stealing people’s money? crickets..crickets..

  6. gotabgood says

    And he has this bridge for sale…………

    You are kidding me… right? This is your fake news??
    His whole agenda has been to either raise the cost of healthcare and cut taxes for the filthy rich, which in turn would raise your taxes….. you can’t dip a bucket in a ‘pool’ of money without someone filling the void and since it would not be the rich……there are only 2 classes left, middle class and the poor…

    1. Sammy says

      I bet you voted for Obummer… several times each election

      1. gotabgood says

        Yes I did… under my name “gotabgood” and your name “Sammy”

    2. Deplorable Dotard says

      I’d rather he take welfare from the do nothings like you and your friends.

    3. mac12sam12 says

      The rich are getting a tax hike, stupid. If it wasn’t for taxes you wouldn’t have section 8!

    4. mac12sam12 says
      1. gotabgood says

        Explain why some Republicans are against this bill?
        There is more to the story…… don’t know what, time will tell I guess.
        By the way should I regard your reference they way you judge mine?
        Yuck Western Journal.. that is a rightwing fabrication factory!
        Should I say that? Or look at the message and who it is from?
        it is easy to judge from the outside..
        Thanks for the reference.
        But my bucket theory still stands… The government is not designed to “make” money. It spends on the bills already made. So, when you take a huge portion out of the revenue…. someone has to fill the void…. even if the middle class gets a tax cut….. there is a sharp decline in the revenue….. somebody will end up paying more…

        1. mac12sam12 says

          You mean the republicans who should have D’s after their name? The Western Journal was a WaPo reprint. Here’s the original article from WaPo.

          Bingo! Someone has to fill the void! When JFK and Reagan lowered taxes, it created more taxpayers and government revenues went up. Ain’t Capitalism great? #Winning!

          1. gotabgood says

            This is complicated so follow along closely, Please.
            When Kennedy took office the tax rate was 91% of wages above $400,000 still at WWll rates. He cut taxes to 77% with wages the same.
            Johnson cut them more to 70% but lowered the wages to $200,000, later he raised the taxes 77% and increased capital gains to 26.9%.
            Nixon came in lowered it 70% but increased capital gains to 36.5%
            Reagan came in when the taxes were 70% and wages at $215,400. Capital gains at 23.7%
            Reagan left office at tax rate 28%…and lowered the wages to $29,750, capital gains at 28%. At one time he lowered the capital gains to 20%.. TOTALLY for the rich! So the Middle class got put into the highest bracket, without near the deductions the rich and corporations have.

            Clinton came in he RAISED the tax rate to 39.6% raised the capital gains to 29.2% and relieved the middle class raised the wage to $250,000. When he left office the tax rate was the same, he lowered capital gains to 21.2% and relieved middle class some more by raising the wages to $288,350

            Bush cut taxes lowered capital gains and raised the wages to $357,700.
            Obama raised taxes to 39.6% raised capital gains to 25% and took middle class completely out of the highest tax bracket by putting the wages at $464,850
            And you want to cut taxes more!!???? We are a long way from the trickledown that Reagan started when he slashed the tax rate by 42%

            Not sure you can make out the chart…. but I gave you the reference..


          2. mac12sam12 says

            There was so many loopholes that no one paid anywhere near 91% or 77%.

            The bottom line is giving the government more money doesn’t help the economy. Another record day on Wall Street because of Trump’s tax plan! Not reported on MSM,

  7. RickFromDetroit says

    Sounds like the Senate will have to go back to 8 tax brackets to keep Trump from vetoing the bill. Maybe they should lower the tax rate for each of the 8 brackets.

  8. James A. Grifo says

    The ruling class in Washington buys and sells tax code to stay elected. They give govt union workers lifetime benefits and retirement at age 55 to control their vote while they confiscate our hard earned money. If they overspend they just inflate away the deficit and tax us more. They have spent our social security payments ages before we retire and hope that this. ponzi scheme will not be discovered. They incite class politics as the reason to raise taxes while no one talks about expenses and their necessity. Read and understand Obama’s last veto to understand how much the ruling class cares about the private sector taxpayer.
    They care about themselves first and us last.

  9. gotabgood says

    Trump’s administration is only an extension of himself.. a blow-heart, a bully and a coward…. here is his trip to Asia…..

    When the Donald is behind closed doors of his bathroom he tweets bravely and demands to be heard… OR ELSE!
    Or as an old movie portrays him…… “THE WIZZARD OF OZ” .. behind the curtain he is fearless and awesome, but when revealed… in truth, he is the cowardly lion.

    Trump doesn’t talk to the press—because China told him to shut up

    Donald Trump is tougher at a distance. His speech on North Korea notably dropped the mentions of “little Rocketman” and “fire and fury” once Trump himself was in artillery range. Arriving in China, Trump replaced the vocal criticism of Chinese trading practices with equally loud praise, saying “I don’t blame China” for gaining the upper hand in trade deals and “I give China great credit.”
    Asked about this sudden turnaround by reporters, Trump said … nothing. Because Trump didn’t allow reporters to ask any questions.
    So … Trump came to China to show how much tougher he is at negotiating than previous administrations, and the first thing he did was let the Chinese tell him that he couldn’t talk to the press. That seems a lot less tough than those administrations Trump criticized.
    Then-Presidents Bill Clinton in 1998, George W. Bush in 2002 and Barack Obama in 2009 each convinced his Chinese counterpart to take questions from reporters during his first state visit to China.
    But Trump will certainly appear before the press at some point in the future — so he can tell everyone what a tough negotiator he is, sneer at previous generations, and explain what a great deal he got.
    That is, unless China tells him to stay quiet.

    1. Joseph Carrilho says

      It must be painful to be so full of shit……Try a laxative.

      1. Mike says

        unfortunately that is all accurate, but when you elect a conman like trump expectations have to be low.

        1. Joseph Carrilho says


          1. Mike says

            yes trump making America greater for the rich

  10. gotabgood says

    Walker, from Wisconsin cut taxes for the rich… fired workers and then stole the refund checks from mortgage companies who shafted the home owners to meet his budget.
    Brown, from Kansas did the same and wonder why he couldn’t pay his budget..

    1. Deplorable Dotard says

      Gotabfagg. Is that you floating around in the toilet? Your pretty smelly. Ugly, too. No wonder you libs all have to marry same sex partners. Now we know. Flush. Bye-bye poopy boy.

  11. Danielle Dean says

    i want to hear more about getting rid of the mandate on healthcare it weighs heavy on the middle class and is completely un fair

    1. pineapple says

      It is also unconstitutional since it requires people to buy something they don’t want, which is against the commerce clause of the constitution.

      In fact, Obamacare is unconstitutional.

      When George Stephanopolis interviewed Barack Obama about Obamacare, Obama INSISTED that the penalty for not buying insurance would be a FINE and NOT a TAX.
      He must have realized that all tax bills MUST originate in the House of Representatives and not the Senate, according to the Constitution.
      Obamacare originated in the Senate, and was the brain child of Harry Reid. It was originally called the Senate Health Care Bill. Reid attached this bill to another bill that came to the Senate from the House concerning the military, in order to claim that the health care bill originated in the house.
      The Supreme Court decreed that the penalty for not buying insurance was a TAX. THEREFORE IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT JUSTICE ROBERTS SAID.
      If the penalty were decreed to be a fine, it would STILL be unconstitutional, because it would have violated the commerce clause of the Constitution by forcing people to buy something they did not want.
      In either case, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

  12. Dennis Derstine says

    Cut taxes, spur growth, encourage spending and investment… wonder the “establishment” hates it.

  13. Ron C says

    Just goes to show how many Republicans in name only (RINO’s) their are in the GOP…their only goal is to confiscate the workers and keep their Johns happy…period! How simple it would be to do right by the middle class if they were honest about their jobs.

    1. Mike says

      the initial framework that the republicans in the Senate and the House are using came from trump, mnuchin cohn, etc so direct that frustration where it belongs- at our toddler in chief trump.

      1. Ron C says

        Yes Trump gave them bullet points of what he expected…and it did NOT say to raise taxes on the middle class…that is being disingenuous of you.
        And as you should know the congress writes the laws and the executive branch implements the laws as written…Well with the exemption of Obama, he made illegal laws that even the liberal courts called him out on!
        So let us put the blame back were it goes…On the ankle grabbing Republican congress!

        1. Mike says

          Cohn stated immediately after the bullet point plan stated when questioned about things like the repeal of the SALT deduction that it could raise taxes on the middle class. he responded then that he could not guarantee that some in the middle class would not see a tax increase so either Trump has been lying or is ignorant. you can choose as neither sounds appealing. on the good front the tax plan does give a deduction for golf course owners so the toddler in chief wins again.

          1. Ron C says

            Agreed…the elimination of write offs for simplification sake, throws a monkey wrench in the works for democrat bastions of high confiscation, regulation, and waste which will cause a problems for their democrat & captive conservatives…
            But then these wasteful states such as California & New York may want to consider pulling their heads out of the dank place and try being a little more fiscally conservative…just saying that mite bring relief to their citizens…
            If the ankle grabbing republicans even pass a tax bill.

          2. Mike says

            or the republican states could stop taking more from the federal government than their residents pay so they can stop being subsidized by the blue states like California and new york.

          3. niknar says

            Fiscal conservatism seems to be a lost notion among politicians of both parties, especially the Republicans. Tax cuts always comes first for them no matter what our economic situation, & today’s economic situation of a relatively strong economy but an enormous out-of-control debt calls out for measures to lower the deficit & tackle the debt, not pile on more debt through more tax cuts for the very rich.

    2. rocky says

      The position of a Congressman does not require honesty… for some reason .

      1. niknar says

        In fact, dishonesty seems to be a great asset in politics, unfortunately.

  14. James Andrews says

    No tax hikes period! And let’s get rid of the death tax!

    1. rocky says

      The imposition of the ‘death tax’ is only after… how much estate ??

      1. James Andrews says

        There should be zero estate taxes, period. We’re taxed half to death our whole lives long. The greedy, corrupt bastards in Washington shouldn’t be entitled to anything a dying one leaves to their children or other kin, period.

  15. BCain says

    STOP taxing our social security. That is a needed “tax break”. Get it out of the general fund and stop spending it. It is not your money it is ours! We paid into it YOU did NOT.

    1. pineapple says

      Also, stop making immigrants (legal and illegal) ELIGIBLE FOR SOCIAL SECURITY, SINCE THEY DID NOT CONTRIBUTE TO IT!

  16. bill14729 . says

    Keep up the good work President Trump Drain the Swamp

    1. gotabgood says

      You do realize that the swamp he is suppose to be draining is the critters he put in… so if you get rid of his administration…. you would start with a swamp with no critters…. of course you have to get rid of the pretend president and the real one in charge… can you guess who is in charge?? Hint, his last name begins with a “P” and that is not Pence..

      1. Retired says

        P = Pudpullers like YOU !!!

  17. ray2hill says

    How can we trust that? He has lied about everything else. He will look out for the rich and screw the rest of us.

    1. Joseph Carrilho says

      Your Obummer is the LIAR.

    2. worn out 123 says

      Your opinion. I believe he has kept his promises to the best of his ability and this tax plan was and remains his main goal from the beginning.

    3. mac12sam12 says

      The rich are getting a tax hike, stupid.

    4. mac12sam12 says
  18. Frank Liso says

    We, the American People, Know it’s the RINO’s, Special Interest, and Corrupt Senators and Representatives that don’t want the swamp drained. They don’t want the money, to stop flowing into their bank accounts. Don’t want President TRUMP to end the Gravy Train. And save our Country From Progressives, Socialist, and dumb ass Democrats.

  19. Mike says

    this is just a giant giveaway to the rich. trump does not care that middle class families will be affected negatively.

    1. rocky says

      I have not seen the bill yet… you a mind reader ??

      1. Mike says

        no just someone who follows what is going on. the house and Senate have both released their proposed bills. do republican supporters ever research anything?

        1. rocky says

          I am waiting for the two bills to be consolidated, as it seems that the final proposal that ends up going for signature is a far cry from what is originally proposed. Research now may be a bit premature, but is a good indicator of what they are thinking… not that I agree…

          1. Mike says

            now trump has called for an even greater tax cut for the wealthy. of course the trump supporters do not care.

          2. Mike says

            Do you even read the articles you post? the article does state that yes at least 7 percent of working class families will receive a tax increase. it also states the upper 1percent receive the biggest tax cuts. seriously do some research or at least bother to read what you post.

          3. mac12sam12 says

            The rich’s taxes are going up. I think you’re confusing it with the corporate and business tax. The rich WILL pay more but I think they should get a tax break as well because giving the government more money don’t help the economy. The top 10% carry this country.

          4. Mike says

            No I am not. I truly wish you would actually do a little research. You never do and just believe whatever Trump says like he is spoon feeding you.

            “The effects for everyone else are much more mixed. The nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation projects that the middle-class will get a $830 tax cut next year under the bill, compared to $37,100 for the top 1 percent of Americans. But by 2027, after a temporary $300 per adult temporary credit expires, the middle-class tax cut would drop to $360 per year, as the benefits for the top 1 percent grow to $62,300 per year. Overall, 30 percent of the middle-class would pay more taxes in 2027 under the bill, according to the TPC.” The TPC or tax Policy center is a non partisan group that evaluates as its name suggests tax policy, but their results of have been largely verified by any group that has evaluated this plan. There is NO truth to your comment that the rich will pay more in taxes as those tax cuts illustrated there are IN ADDITION to the corporate tax cuts.

            Those tax cuts are in addition to the repeal of the Alternative minimum tax and the estate tax which only affects the wealthiest 0.2 percent of the US population. We have one year of Trump’s taxes and it showed he did pay taxes. WHy? The Alternative Minimum Tax is the reason Trump even paid taxes the one year of returns we have. Now Trump will have successfully ended that so he can keep even more money going forward.

          5. mac12sam12 says

            I don’t know where you get your info. The rich are going to get a tax hike and they already pay most of the taxes.

            The estate tax is going to affect anyone who owns real estate and not just 25.

            So Trump is doing this to put more money in his pocket? Ridiculous, tax cuts help everyone, including the poor.

          6. Mike says

            Seriously are you this ignorant? You even sent an article previously that stated the rich would be getting a tax break but yet you continue to claim their taxes are going up. It is correct that the wealthiest pay the most taxes but they also make the most money and have seen their income grow at a much faster rate than the rest of America. The estate tax only effects the wealthiest of Americans. the estate tax does not even begin unless your estate is over 5.49 million for an individual or 10.98 million for a married couple. Any amount below this is not subject to the estate tax; from the Center on Budget and Policy: “the estate tax is best characterized as a tax on very large inheritances by a small group of wealthy heirs; repeal would amount to a massive windfall averaging more than $3 million apiece for the top 0.2 percent, and more than $20 million for the wealthiest estates.”
            The wealthiest individuals will gain by far the most. It is unfortunate that despite even sharing information YOURSELF that states this you continue to believe the junk that comes from the President’s mouth that he is not benefiting from this tax cut. This is a tax cut for corporations and the wealthy. There is a little sprinkling for some middle class families, but that is all. If you are a member of the 1percent you are ecstatic this passed the House. If you are not then this bill will do virtually nothing for you.

          7. mac12sam12 says

            I said the rich are getting a tax hike even though they pay almost all the taxes. Did you watch the press conference with the Trump’s economist? It was on all the stations.

            Hear the latest? 13 more states have the lowest unemployment rate in 9 years. Here in NH we’re at about 2%. Think you hate Trump now? Wait until the GDP hits 4%.

          8. Mike says

            but again you are wrong the rich are getting the largest tax cut in the republican/trump plan. this is not even debatable and you are just ridiculous for stating otherwise. as for GDP the tax cuts will provide a short burst as they always do but they will not lead to sustained economic growth. tax cuts never do. trump is incompetent. the economy was doing well under Obama and Trump has continued that improvement, but tax cuts will not lead to sustained growth.

          9. mac12sam12 says

            The rich’s taxes are going up! You are also wrong on the long term affects of tax cuts. It worked for JFK and Reagan and it wasn’t a “short burst.”

            So giving even more money to the government instead of the private sector improves economies? LOL! More money in the private sector helps economies, that’s common sense.

            The economy NEVER did well during Hussein’s reign of economic terror. He had record poverty, a record number of people on food stamps, the lowest home ownership rate since the 60″ and a record low workforce.

            Trump is very competent and he’s reversing all of Obama’s record low numbers, he also has two GDP quarters over 3% inspire of the hurricanes down south. He know much more that an Affirmative Action community organizer.

          10. Mike says

            you are truly ignorant. the tax plan proposed will give the majority of those tax breaks including eliminating the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax which only benefits the wealthy. the wealthiest Americans will see their tax bills reduced
            while many middle class Americans will see their tax bill increase. Reagan also increased government spending especially on defense which helped economic growth. he also raised taxes repeatedly throughout his two terms. tax cuts do not and have never led to sustainable economic growth.

          11. mac12sam12 says

            It’s you that’s ignorant, maybe if you didn’t drop out of high school you could have been rich.

            Look at Hussein O’s own record, high taxes and over regulation didn’t sustain any growth at all. Reagan didn’t raise taxes repeatedly, he raised the gas tax which hadn’t been raised in years. High taxes destroys economies.

            Explain how giving the government more money improves economies you knucklehead.

          12. Larry Huff says

            Reagan raised taxes on the middle class 1 times because his tax cuts almost destroyed the economy. He tripled the debt.

            Trickle down has been proven not to work.


          13. mac12sam12 says
          14. Larry Huff says

            justbunk???????????? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! LOL!!!!!

            Reagan raised taxes on the poor and working class 11 times because his tax cuts for the wealthy failed and almost destroyed the economy.


          15. mac12sam12 says

            This is what you do, you lose the debate and you blame the source. Read the article and then try to refute, Pickle HUFFer

          16. Larry Huff says

            You provided no sources, you provided fake news sites. I am NOT debating you, I am proving you to be a liar and mocking you.

            You are the easiest NAZZI to prove to be a liar yet! You are dumb as a fence post! LOL!!!

          17. mac12sam12 says

            I always provide sources even government sources and you’ve never provided any. You are debating me and having your ass handed to you, Pickle HUFFer.

          18. Larry Huff says

            You provide right wing fake news sources that you are dumb enough to believe.

            I am catching you in lies and you don’t like it.

          19. mac12sam12 says


          20. mac12sam12 says

            Your guy, Pickle HUFFer. You bought that crap? LOL!!

          21. Larry Huff says

            you tube is not proof.

          22. mac12sam12 says

            In his own words

          23. mac12sam12 says
          24. Larry Huff says

            AGAIN, your edited videos from you tube is not proof.

            RELIABLE proof is from a MAINSTREAM news source!

          25. mac12sam12 says

            Edited LOL! Nothing was edited. He said he grew up in muslim society and went to muslim schools. He said his father was a muslim as was his step father. From his own words. He’s a muzloid, Captain Zippy.

          26. Larry Huff says

            Provide proof from a reliable source that states that Obama was the first muslim president. But you can’t, you are lying again.


          27. ARTPSYCH says

            My issues with Obama is suspect of his rhetoric of claiming a “Christian belief” but many Americans claim a Christian belief but are no more than a ‘nominal Christianity’ which is wrapped in a postmodernist-“make up your own belief system-regardless of doctrine or exegesis of biblical studies. Antimonialsim ( an·ti·no·mi·an

            1. of or relating to the view that Christians are released by grace from the obligation of observing the moral law.

            is a justifiable way for many in congregations to hypocritical rationalize sin in their lives. I speak as someone who really does understand this issue. Legalism is the pendulum swing to the other side of antimonialism-both are BAD!

            Now to Obama. He possibly lied to remain ‘Mainstream’ in “outer ornament” to his profile to look like the American President. In other words, he was being disingenuous and not Christian and yet possibly Muslim in nature. Obama hated Israel and Netanyahu, yet any true believer in my camp- just can’t do that. Obama tried to live both sides in public office. His agreements with the Saudis and the mullahs of Iran cause me much suspect in his true self-identity and his desire to snub Israel most of the time and rub lotion with our enemies as he did many times. I suspect he is more counterfeit and is Muslim in sympathy much like his peers in Canada and W.Europe. Mohammed was a ‘false prophet’ when I have read passages of the Quran- it’s style is childish in logic and confusing. Over 130 passages are filled with hateful passages to kill infidels and to hate anyone who disagrees with them- Christianity is not tolerant of that ideologue.

          28. Larry Huff says

            What the fuuk is wrong with you, you babbling jack as$?

          29. ARTPSYCH says

            Nothing.I read and study culture unlike neanderthals as yourself who can’t seem to manage a conversation without profanity.Progressiveism is dying..l

          30. Kol says

            You use profanity yourself. LOL! But, hey, how come you can’t even punctuate correctly, use good grammar, or spell correctly half the time??? You’re a real joke to watch. Lot of good laughs at a jackass, just watching you!

          31. Larry Huff says

            Progressives are young, it is you elderly Trumpanzees who are dying off by the thousands every day.

            You’ll all be gone in 5 years.

          32. Kol says

            5 years!??? THAT’s too long! Let’s hope they all drop dead a lot sooner than that!!!

          33. Kol says

            Reagan also manipulated the exchange rate to an extent that he forced the newly formed Russian Federation into an economic depression rivaling that of our own Great Depression of 1929! Some 154,000,ooo Russians were reduced to living in POVERTY conditions for nearly a decade and a half. And many, MANY millions of Russians lost their life-savings. What the SOB did severely harmed many in my own extended family there… kids grew up in poverty and lived in poverty for 25 or more years of their life. I have helped several in my own extended family there pull out of it and live a better, happier, more secure life. Reagan’s legacy was hideous!

          34. mac12sam12 says

            Maybe the russians should blame their own leaders instead of Saint Reagan. For your viewing pleasure.

          35. Kol says

            LOL! Maybe you’re more nutsy kookoo than usual today!?!!!

          36. Larry Huff says

            He must be on opioids, he is the nuttiest Trumpanzee in this forum by far. And that’s really saying something.

          37. Kol says

            Not sure if he’s the nuttiest, but one of the top 2 or 3, that’s for sure!

          38. Kol says

            The Sad Legacy of Ronald Reagan | Mises Institute


            Reagan has tripled the Gross Federal Debt, from $900 billion to $2.7 trillion. … The shift to small cars will cause an estimated 10,000 to 20,000 highway ….. I will have to look into the nature of the Depression in both cases, I will have to study it more. ….. In March 1921, V. I. Lenin, ruler of revolutionary Russia, stood before the …

          39. Kol says

            Why Ronald Reagan Should Be Seen as a Complete Failure | Vanity …


            Every serious G.O.P. presidential aspirant invokes the glorious era of Ronald Reagan, to which the country must return. Ignore the fact that, for the likes of Paul …

            David Aaronovitch: Terrible legacy of the Reagan years | US news …

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            Jun 7, 2004 – David Aaronovitch: In some crude forms of th

          40. Kol says

            21 Reasons Why Ronald Reagan Was a Terrible President | Soapboxie

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            Dec 13, 2016 – People have worked very hard to rewrite the history of Ronald Reagan’s presidency, but objective historical facts dispute the wishful thinking of …

            6 Ways You Didn’t Realize Ronald Reagan Ruined The Country


            Jun 9, 2016 – Given the nature of this article, it would border on bad taste for me to ….. One of the least-discussed aspects of Reagan’s legacy is how his …

            5 Terrible Things Ronald Reagan Did As … – BNR – Blue Nation Review


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            Feb 6, 2011 – This is perhaps the most ironic part of the Reagan Legacy. ….. I came here expecting to see some terrible indictment of Reagan, and that’s all …

          41. Kol says

            Trump LIES, claims tax bill delivers “historic tax cuts” for the American people

            It’s sickening.

            We can hardly believe all the disgusting things Republicans crammed into their tax scam.

            And Trump just blatantly LIED about it!!

            He insists that all Americans just got a tax cut — when really, it’s just tax breaks for him and the Republicans’ wealthy donors.

  20. MichaelZZ says

    Would create >4% GDP growth and 4-6 million jobs per year:

    Congress and the Administration are contemplating tax changes. Sadly, it appears that both may be led by ignorance, bias, and axes to grind which is a losing formula for We, the People.

    There should be a discussion regarding the concepts of evolutionary versus revolutionary changes. There is substantially greater risk of problematic and unintended consequences
    when employing revolutionary changes.

    It is being promoted by “talking heads” and politicians that a reduction of the corporate tax rate from 35% to 20% would create jobs. The jobs created would be insignificant, thus that promotion is nonsense, at best. Yes, it would offer greater profits for corporations, which would benefit stockholders. That would reflect very limited economic benefits, which would be further reduced by the hit to our national debt.

    The main catalyst to enable businesses to increase sales and profits is ENERGIZED CONSUMERS.

    What effect upon consumers would a permanent income tax credit equal to 100% of the Social Security taxes paid on the first $40,000 of income? The maximum credit would be $2,480 per year ($206.67 per month).

    The effect upon consumers would be substantial, thus benefiting business sales and profits, i.e., the old “two birds with one stone”.

    The funding of this tax credit would come from the elimination of the “ceiling” upon which Social Security taxes are levied and by making all other types of income subject to SS tax, without limitations.

    An additional “adjustment” to Social Security should be a ten percent increase to SS recipients.

    Since our economics would be greatly stimulated, a different method of controlling the pace of the economy would be initiated. A separate withholding would be established and would be controlled by the Federal Reserve Board. The Fed, on a monthly basis, would publish a factor (a % of gross pay) which would cause a reduction or increase in net pay, thus affecting the strength of our economics, immediately.

    Interest rates would be market based, i.e., the Fed would not control rates via Discount and Federal Funds rates.

    1. Eliminate the anti-trust exemption for unions –
    2. Reverse all minimum wage laws –


  21. robert sanders says

    Hope President Trump does not sign the Tax bill if the Senate wants to increase our taxes.

    1. Retired says

      First we have to have a bill , that probably will not happen the way the Children in both houses are playing .

      1. niknar says

        It’s probably all for the better. A time when the economy is relatively strong is the time to tackle our out-of-control debt, not the time to give tax cuts to the rich that will pile on more debt.

        1. Retired says

          It is their game of business as usual . The best would be throw the old IRS Tax code out and start a brand new one without all the loop holes .

  22. MichaelZZ says


    We are being told, by many politicians and commentators who represent themselves as being knowledgeable in economics and politics, that 2 to 5 trillion dollars of corporate profits are offshore and the mantra is that Congress should provide an incentive for corporations to bring home (repatriate) those profits for the purpose of stimulating our economic growth.

    The story is that corporations would have to pay a “penalty” if they were to repatriate those profits in the normal course of business. The “penalty” would be the income taxes they owe on those offshore profits.

    Why should a corporation’s offshore tax liability be called a penalty? Simple answer is that it is not a penalty and should not be characterized as a “penalty”. It is federal income tax, which has been deferred. Why has it been deferred? Congress passed legislation permitting subsidiaries, which operate and make profits offshore, to defer the federal income taxes assessed on that income until they pay dividends to the domestic parent corporation. That ability to defer taxes provides an advantage to these subsidiaries versus domestic operations, which doesn’t make any sense.

    This deferral “feature” enables offshore operations to defer payment of tax obligations, in perpetuity, which is an incentive for our multi-national corporations to produce offshore, to the detriment of domestic operations, which reduces our nation’s economics, including reducing our employment.

    In 2004, Congress legislated a “repatriation” holiday whereby those profits repatriated were assessed only 5.25% rather than the 35% owed, thus Congress benefitted these corporations to the detriment to U.S. taxpayers and negatively affected our national debt. The effect was to reduce the taxes owed by 85%. In essence Congress appears to have participated in an embezzlement of the taxpayers for the benefit of the multi-national corporations.

    The solution to this nonsense is to repeal the special dispensation provision given to multi-national corporations, which would benefit our economics, whereby, at the minimum:
    1. Corporations would pay their taxes on offshore profits.
    2. Eliminate this incentive to produce offshore.
    3. Reduce our national debt.
    4. Stops the CONSPIRACY of EMBEZZLING from non-multi-national corporate taxpayers and the United States.
    5. Increase employment.

    Whereas this deferral “concept” is damaging to our nation, some of these same people are beginning to advocate for the complete elimination of federal taxes on offshore profits by promoting the concept of “territorial” taxation whereby taxes are only paid in the nation producing profits.

    ANY politician advocating the continuance of this deferral or total elimination of taxes on offshore operations should be charged with conspiracy to defraud and embezzle the United States of America.

    We, the People, have the right to believe that Congress should legislate laws that benefit our nation.

    It appears that Congress has stimulated the morphing of our nation from “Of the People, by the People, and for the People” to “Of, by and for corporations”, beginning with ERISA in 1974 (esoteric).

    In regards to “Main Street” and “Wall Street”, Congress must direct most, if not all, of its energies to “MAIN STREET”. Wall Street is a derivative of Main Street. Since ERISA, the reverse has been done, i.e., the emphasis has been placed upon Wall Street.

    mz, Sep. 25, 2017

    1. niknar says

      Another excellent post! Thanks!

      1. MichaelZZ says

        Thank you, but unless the information is made ubiquitous, the fog of lies will not be dissipated, thus please share.

        I’ve just sent out my responses to a Tax Foundation offering of nonsense.
        E-mail me & I will send it to you.


  23. Mr Rollo says

    Send this to Soros lover, Chucky.

  24. AKLady says

    He will sign whatever his Russian handlers tell him to sign.

  25. CUZIN ERN says

    If he can’t do it, where can we find an honest Crook who will fill the Bill?

    1. AKLady says

      Congress can override a veto.
      You elect Congress.

  26. AKLady says

    Donald Trump, the 45th President of the United States of America, was actually born Dawood Ibrahim Khan, according to Pakistan’s Neo News.

    1. rocky says

      ” Consider the source ” !!!

      1. AKLady says

        Complete with childhood picture …
        Pakistan is one of America’s allies.

  27. Jere Crouse says

    Good, finally they may get it right. The Dems never fight for the average Joe!!!

  28. larry harvey says

    What the article conveniently ignores is that the Trump tax plan would eliminate many middle class deductions. As an example, under his plan you would no longer be able to deduct from your federal taxes, your state income tax, sales tax and real estate tax payments. Some retirement and mortgage benefits are also reduced. The big winners from his tax scheme are Trump himself and the very wealthy; to say otherwise is just not so.

    1. rocky says

      Trumps plan ?? I have not seen a plan from The Prez. And won’t congress decide what is in the final plan, before Trump even gets to pass judgment ??

      1. larry harvey says

        Congress will ultimately decide thank God, because Trump’s plan is awful.

  29. Randy Sleeth says

    Someone please explain why Republicans should want super-rich people to have more money (large tax cuts and corporate pass through dollars) and middle-class and should want poor people to have less money than they now have (minimal money from tax cuts, or even tax increases).

  30. AKLady says

    Trump will sign anything that puts more money in his pocket.
    Government of the very rich, by the very rich, for the very rich

  31. Lightning Bolt says

    you can bet Trump wont sign any democrat bill that wants more from the middle class that’s why he is president now and not hillbitch

    1. niknar says

      The bill that’s in question is totally Republican made. Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with it.

  32. Richard Start says

    Don’t make promises you can’t keep Mr. President! In the past Democrat’s have played some cruel games to force a tax increase just to use those words in the next campaign season. They don’t care about us, only harming your political strength no matter how it harms the public (their constituents)! Then you’ll look foolish and our taxes will still go up! The sad part is it was JFK in his 1962 tax speech on this subject that supported your ideas over theirs and they can’t see it !

    1. niknar says

      JFK did cut taxes, but back then they were at record highs. They are far lower today, so the need for them to stimulate the economy is much less, if at all existent. Our economy is as strong as its been in a long time, anyway. This is the time we need to figure out what to do to tackle our huge debt, not lower taxes & make our debt even worse.

      1. Richard Start says

        In his speech on taxes he points out that we can never pay off our debt with higher taxes but only by putting as many people to work in our economy as possible by not over taxing those people who create jobs. He also addresses Keynesian economics which was the plan Obama and Hilary did and wanted to use to improve our economy! By reducing taxes on companies we encourage them to stay in our country employing American’s. If we lower taxes on the higher incomes we remove the cap on what they will invest in creating a motivation to expand business creating more jobs for the working public! That helps us in another way since the more of us working rebounds in cash flow within our economy being spent on services and products boosting our economy in a second way. This second boost creates the need for more employment to provide those goods and services. long with creating all of these new jobs new incomes will have been created passing new revenues to our treasury supplying them the cash flow to pay towards our National Debt. This was also part of JFK’s theory and proven in deed when Reagan pulled this during his time in office. Our Leftward Fallen Media ignores this but without this happening the revenues would not have been there for Clinton to pay off on some of the National debt by his time in Office and have a surplus.

  33. niknar says

    Even if he is sincere in not wanting to sign a bill that raises taxes for the middle class, will he be able to identify whether it does or doesn’t after the Republican legislators come to him & swear it doesn’t?

    This tax bill is ill-advised in any case. The huge reduction in taxes overall, especially for the very rich, will considerably increase our deficit. While the economy is as strong as it is now is precisely not the time to give big tax cuts, but rather the time to address our enormous debt & come up with plans to reduce it eventually. Tax cuts for corporate executives & the very rich have not worked well in the past: in the ’20s it brought us the Great Stock Market crash of 1929 & the ensuing Great Depression; in the ’80s it gave us a major recession, savings & loans scandals & a tripling of our debt from which we’ve never recovered; & in the ’00s it gave us more corporate scandals, record deficits & 2 recessions, including one that was very nearly a depression. This is clearly a strategy that doesn’t work for our economy.

    Whatever happened to fiscal conservatism, anyway?

  34. MichaelZZ says

    Would create >4% GDP growth and 4-6 million jobs per year:

    Congress and the Administration are contemplating tax changes. Sadly, it appears that both may be led by ignorance, bias, and axes to grind which is a losing formula for We, the People.

    There should be a discussion regarding the concepts of evolutionary versus revolutionary changes. There is substantially greater risk of problematic and unintended consequences
    when employing revolutionary changes.

    It is being promoted by “talking heads” and politicians that a reduction of the corporate tax rate from 35% to 20% would create jobs. The jobs created would be insignificant, thus that promotion is nonsense, at best. Yes, it would offer greater profits for corporations, which would benefit stockholders. That would reflect very limited economic benefits, which would be further reduced by the hit to our national debt.

    The main catalyst to enable businesses to increase sales and profits is energized consumers.

    What effect upon consumers would a permanent income tax credit equal to 100% of the Social Security taxes paid on the first $40,000 of income? The maximum credit would be $2,480 per year ($206.67 per month).

    The effect upon consumers would be substantial, thus benefiting business sales and profits, i.e., the old “two birds with one stone”.

    The funding of this tax credit would come from the elimination of the “ceiling” upon which Social Security taxes are levied and by making all other types of income subject to SS tax, without limitations.

    An additional “adjustment” to Social Security should be a ten percent increase to SS recipients.

    Since our economics would be greatly stimulated, a different method of controlling the pace of the economy would be initiated. A separate withholding would be established and would be controlled by the Federal Reserve Board. The Fed, on a monthly basis, would publish a factor (a % of gross pay) which would cause a reduction or increase in net pay, thus affecting the strength of our economics, immediately.

    Interest rates would be market based, i.e., the Fed would not control rates via Discount and Federal Funds rates.

    1. Eliminate the anti-trust exemption for unions –
    2. Reverse all minimum wage laws –


    1. niknar says

      Excellent post! Nice to see such a sensible & well-informed comment on this site for a change, consisting of real ideas.

  35. saveourcountry says

    It seems that senior citizens in the middle/lower middle class will be hurt badly by this tax change. Seniors generally have the highest medical bills, which they will not be able to deduct. They had an extra personal deduction which was better than the new, higher deduction. They worked hard all of their lives and paid into these programs that they have now. No illegal welfare, medicaid for illegals and other means for illegals to take money from the government when, by crossing the border illegally, they have committed a crime. For middle class seniors, social security monthly payments were not taxed according to present income tax rules. They are least able to afford extra taxes.

    1. niknar says

      The Republicans failed in their attack on senior citizens when they tried to pass their Wealthcare bill, so now they’re trying to do it through this unsuitably named “tax reform” bill.

      Security is 1 of the most desired qualities by most people, whether it be health security, financial security, environmental security, national security, personal security… It is very advisable for politicians to keep this in mind when proposing or making policy, because politicians who can show that they’re increasing security for the average American will be supported by the average American.

  36. skisok says

    Trumps statement is B.S. like the rest of his statements. He’s elimination exemptions and doubling the standard deduction. If s family has 2 kids, he’s eliminating a tax write off $27,000 and replacing it with a write off of $24,000. And don’t dare get sick. You can no longer deduct medical expenses. Then he’s eliminating sales and local taxes and property taxes above $10K. So middle class families will have to pay taxes on taxes. Is this a conservative approach to taxation or just a shell hame where middle class tax payers get shelled?

    1. rocky says

      You read the bill ?? I haven’t . Oh yeh… it isn’t written yet, just some ridiculous proposals.

      1. skisok says

        I don’t like the proposals. Like the rest, the middle class gets the shaft.

  37. Bob C says

    Yep, the Republicons and Ryan and McConnell, in particular, are ready to give the middle class a Blood bath. Their idea is to screw the middle class so they can take care of their Fat Cat friends and Corporations. That’s what happens when the GOP’s in Office. To hell with the Deficit and the Debt – TAKE CARE OF THE RICH!!!!

  38. DAlnB41 says

    I still have strong reservations about the Tax Bill’s reduction of corporate taxes WITOUT SOME MANDATES!
    For eight years we saw Americans’ working with no increases in wages, many who lost their jobs, many who had to give up benefits. The majority of middle and low wage working Americans never received wage increases for most of the eight years of the Obama Administration; BUT – most CEO;s and senior manages were getting raises and bonuses every year, most starting around the 30% annual increase point.
    I am thrilled to see Congress working to finally do something about the mess our tax system is in; it has been ignored far to long but it appears both Democrats and Republicans are taking part in reform action.
    MY concern though suggest a LOOK BACK at the Obama Years when CEO’s and senior management were getting BIG wage increases and bonuses while the vast majority of middle and low wage American men and women were not getting ANY increases. – I would also suggest people take a few minutes to look back at the “sales pitches” of Obama Care; you may see some similarities between the two. Mainly – the massive sales effort to the American people about how great it was going to be/
    The current bill for tax reform will reduce the Corp rare taxes to 20%; allegedly that will stimulate corporate America to make more jobs, develop new business, create greeter spending, etc., etc.!
    – – – – I say – take a look at the last eight years; the money was there but the American workers were not getting any of it; the CEO’s and senior managers were getting HEALTHY shares of the money. AND – there is nothing in the bill that I have seen or heard that will FORCE corporate Managers to do anything but pay less taxes. It appears corporate America will still be able to pocket the profits instead of developing greater profits for the nation, or new jobs, or new industry, or any of the things we are hearing will happen with a corporate tax reduction; these corporations for eight years had increasing profits that were not shared by workers but rather pocketed by CEO’s and managers – – why should we expect them to change now!

  39. Rick Wenthe says

    The only Statements the Dems every is anything in the way of any tax cut is just for the rich. I have heard this over and over and over even though they have ripped us off for the last 20 yrs. It always something the Dems fck with that makes them billions of dollars the only reason Robert Mueller still has a job is because they have no one knows how much money they have spent. They have carried this out as long as they can because the final bill will be in the gtens to hundreds of billions of dollars. Here a just so small things that have happened out in public The S&L crises that waxs what Hillary was taking from the Rose law firm they were closing statement and the financials they used to approve the loans a lot went to Bill Himself and his Company Teneo with all the Clinton’s money guys to pay them back millions. These Banks weren’t insured by the FDIC so who had to pay the 580 billion dollars of ripped off money US the Taxpayers , The Y2K scam of telling all people if they don’t buy software to protect their computers clock, The Dems have been so smart about how to rip people off 290 Billion paid by all of us a dem playbook get a bunch of scientists to prove to us it was a real danger kinda of like the Global Warming Bullsht. They bought a seat at the Chicago’s Commodities exchange to introduce a new commodity Clean Air that is why the only country that had to spend money in the first 10 yr 20 Trillion over 10yrs before China and India the world’s worst Polluters in the world we could have no regulations and it would take us fifty yrs to catch up with the two countries who have 2/3 of the world’s population. So they get a bunch of scientists to convince you of this is imminent and the world’s two worst polluters for 10 yrs kinda of strange because if it was imminent then you would have to go after the worst pollution on the planet. It was a scam to make the EPA to tell every household every business that they have a bigger carbon footprint than allowed so you either pay a huge fine our you save 1/2 if you buy extra clean air. mI wonder what their investment was to buy a seat and corner the whole market and have control of the EPA because Hillary would be president. So instead of letting it drop they still had to work on all of their mindless followers to keep protesting it. I can’t understand that these people who’s mind is numb to hearing Chuck Schumer saying no matter any tax bill the GOP comes up with is a tax break for the rich. The truth of the matter is in dollars wise you could show that the people who pay 95% of all taxes would show a bigger dollar number than someone making 75,000 a yr there tax burden is somewhere near 15% and a multimillionaire pays 37%. So 75,000 a 5% drop =3750 dollars were someone making 8 million where they get a drop of 1%= 80,000 dollars so is it so easy for them to pull the wool over your eyes by saying that see the rich get an extra 76250 more it is just a BS way to explain the lower earner saved 5% where the Rich guy gets a 1.5% drop lets look at a .5% drop 40,000 dollars. So don’t let them play you for the fool. Like they do to are seniors who at best get a 1% raise where welfare , Food stamps and the other gimmies go up 9% a yr . My Own Mother lives in a HUD facility and still ends up by spending for a health supplement and a prescription Supplement for that still costs me 4000/yr. Medicare cost 100 dollars that comes right off the top of your check, health supplement 220 dollars a month the prescription supplement is 105 a month. She ends up with 25 dollars a week to buy groceries I don’t know what we would do without Christian Charities who once a month gives you a bag full off whatever they have that month. These numbers are the truth and if your like me and your health issues 2 strokes, 3 heart attacks, 6 stents , and a Chemical lung poisoning. Plus a diabetic, ADHD off the charts they can’t medicate me enough, Bi-Polar off the charts not enough meds for this either, Aggressive by nature off the charts, and an Adrenaline Junkie. They didn’t really know what this was 45 yrs ago I always wondered why I was such a viscous Football and Basketball player, I really wanted to know I didn’t want to hurt anyone but couldn’t hold my body back . I am glad for me and my youngest son who at 13 was 6′ tall 295#, with a 56 ” chest could rep 225 25 times , That in our sn seasons we both had already won a class 6 and 5 High school state Championship. But we both had our knees destroyed mine had to have a total replacement were his about the same tore his MCL and ACL so badly that he cant even play hoops in the back yard. I told him that is why I was such an ass about him keeping his grades up, played in the Jazz and Concert bands from 7th grade the Baritone Sax. Football practice lasts all yr so he had a ton of extra curricular activities. He could read at a 3 rd grade level when he was 3 1/2 yrs old, my Eldest could do double digit multiplication in his head at 5 like 45 x 36. When he started at 4 yrs old in school because he was way past everybody he had 3 standardized test and got perfect scores on all of them so when he was in first grade he went to third grade math. Has some of my issues one of the most frustrating son but played football with my colors and was a lineman for Blaine Gabbert #10 pick of nfl draft at QB was 6′ 5″ 245 #’s ran a 4.5 40 white guys was ripped could throw the ball 75 yrds in the air. So he had AP Calculus in his sn yr and got a D in it because no matter what I did dint make a difference he would not do the homework he got high B;s or A’s on all the tests. But in those classes if you don’t do the homework you get a d or f, so at the end of his sn yr he took the AP 1 and AP 2 finals and got a 5 and a 4 so 10 hrs of calculus before he started college graduated on a full ride and has a BS in Math. My youngest is in his second yr of a full Ride has already taken calc 1 and Physics 1 and is taking Organic I and II in his second yr had 12 hrs of credits from high school 4 yrs of Latin his Brother 3 yrs. And with all the issues I have had diverticulosis and diverticulitis a ring in my esophagus one yr I was in hospital 5 time 5 days each because I had a reaction to one of my meds I was in each time with Dehydration. My doctors all agreed that I couldn’t work anylonger and before yo ask I paid in for 44 yrs. But in My State 77% of all applicants are denied and have to sue and the only people that make money are the Attorney’s and for two yrs you cannot make any salary and my wife of 38 yrs has to work 3 jobs to keep us afloat. Where all the gimmes we give to Illegal Aliens are more than what they pay people like me that started working full time when I was 14 and 15 in the summer then full time from then on . The problem with this is welfare food stamps and all other gimmies you can get in two weeks. And the 20% corporate rate is the only thing that will save the engine that runs the US small businesses, they care about their employees full bennies and they don’t get rid of you when you turn 50 my wife has been working at a small business and makes a decent wage being one of those people that has all the letters behind her name. Her two brother bosses treat her like family , They were both investors when I was buying and selling foreclosures. I found a 2300 sq ft ranch that has it’s own mother in law unit downstairs and yes my mother has lived in it 4 times a yr each for the 10 yrs I rented it from her boss. A five bedroom 4 1/2 bath house on the other side of the basement has a full workout room weights a bench an ab machine a elliptical and a walking machine. My Kids used it and still do it has its own 1/2 bath on its side were the other side has it’s own parking space laundry room and its on address. So I bought it at the steps for 225,000 the guy put 32k into it and had it own a fifteen yr note since I rented it from him for 10 yrs. This is the kind of thing that can happen when your wife who is a manager’s wet d , when we had got our credit score high enough to buy it he owed 180,000 on the house and sold it to for that it is a 350,000 house it’s own a dead end rd with a 30 acre dog park on the rd. In a nice city in st louis so when I bought it we updated the kitchen all hard wood 6 panel doors and rewired the entire house, replace the furnace and air conditioner have a certificate from the electric company stating what was done. 12 grand on land scaping. The county assed it the first yr for what I paid the 240. 260 300 and now 315. That is a man in my book that is why we have to save small businesses.

  40. Not Fooled says

    Wake up people. He is not going to physically raise what you pay but its the deductions he is going to take away from you that will decrease your tax returns. I would consider that a raise in your taxes. DA

  41. Michael Dennewitz says

    Hey Mr Trump, PRESIDENT!! When are you going to do something about the Veterans Administration HIRING MUSLIM DOCTORS AND NURSES?? Good God, you can talk all you want about “training cells” scattered across America – – WHAT ABOUT THE BASTARDS WORKING WITHIN?? And our government is hiring them!! 😣☹😢

  42. george briar says

    yeah the odd couple democrats and truth like fire and water don’t go together ever.

  43. junkmailbin says

    the dems will always spin taxes as a break for the rich and oppression of the middle class. They thrive on class warfare and race baiting.
    They no longer are the party of the working man but a loose group of minority special interests that want a free ride and special mprovoledges.
    The repubs are for everyone having a clear short art success with equality for all

    1. Kol says

      That is total stupidity.

    2. Bob C says

      Wow, the Republicons are really thankful for Uneducated like you, bunky. How are things over in St. Petersburg, Russia, Comrade? No American has the stupid ideas you have, skippy! Most Americans realize how the Republicons are determined to SCREW the middle class so they can give-give-give to the rich and Corporations!!!

      1. Kol says

        Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says controversial ……/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-stud...

        Jan 31, 2016 – RIGHTMINDS: Does a low IQ make you right-wing? That depends on how you define left and right As scientists discover how to ‘translate’ …

        Study links low intelligence with right-wing beliefs – The Globe and ……/study-links-low-intelligence-with-right-wing-beliefs-the-glo…

        Dec 20, 2015 – Researchers have found a possible explanation for why certain people are prejudiced: they’re less intelligent. Children with lower general …

        Study links low intelligence with right-wing beliefs – The Globe and Mail › Life › The Hot Button Blog

        Feb 3, 2012 – Children with lower general intelligence are more likely to become prejudiced as … explain is brought about by adopting right-wing ideologies.

    3. Kol says

      ^Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says controversial ……/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-stud...

      Jan 31, 2016 – RIGHTMINDS: Does a low IQ make you right-wing? That depends on how you define left and right As scientists discover how to ‘translate’ …

      Study links low intelligence with right-wing beliefs – The Globe and ……/study-links-low-intelligence-with-right-wing-beliefs-the-glo…

      Dec 20, 2015 – Researchers have found a possible explanation for why certain people are prejudiced: they’re less intelligent. Children with lower general …

      Study links low intelligence with right-wing beliefs – The Globe and Mail › Life › The Hot Button Blog

      Feb 3, 2012 – Children with lower general intelligence are more likely to become prejudiced as … explain is brought about by adopting right-wing ideologies.

  44. ARTPSYCH says

    Hillary tells us why she is above the law:

    The media, the Democratic Party, and, most of all, the Clintons sense that their carefully-stacked house of cards is getting ready to fall. Free from the consequences of political loss, liberal pundits are turning on the former president for his decades of unpunished sexual violence. And, increasingly, you can see former Clinton supporters preparing for the day that their favorite political crime syndicate finally gets the justice it deserves. Is Hillary getting nervous? Judge for yourself.

    In a recent interview with Mother Jones (a more friendly press outlet she could not have found), the former secretary of state attempted to explain why there was no reason whatsoever that she should be under investigation for her role in approving the sale of uranium to the Russians. With Attorney General Jeff Sessions signaling that prosecutors were now perusing the evidence that wrongdoing may have occurred in the Uranium One deal, Clinton said it was an “abuse of power” on the part of the Trump administration.

    “If they send a signal that we’re going to be like some dictatorship, like some authoritarian regime, where political opponents are going to be unfairly, fraudulently investigated, that rips at the fabric of the contract we have, that we can trust our justice system,” Clinton said. “It will be incredibly demoralizing to people who have served at the Justice Department, under both Republicans and Democrats, because they know better. But it will also send a terrible signal to our country and the world that somehow we are giving up on the kind of values that we used to live by and we used to promote worldwide.”

    So, by this standard are we to assume that if Clinton had become president, she would have insisted that the Justice Department turn a blind eye to any collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia? Because that’s the deal, right? That’s what she’s saying? That political opponents must never be investigated, no matter the crime? Please. This is something Democrats have invented out of whole cloth to protect a woman they know is guilty not only of endangering state secrets but quite probably much worse. You don’t get to exonerate yourself from a lifetime of misdeeds simply by running for president.

    “I regret deeply that this appears to be the politicization of the Justice Department and our justice system,” Clinton said. “This Uranium One story has been debunked countless times by members of the press, by independent experts. It is nothing but a false charge that the Trump administration is trying to drum up to avoid attention being drawn to them.”

    Well, if it has been debunked and it’s nothing but vaporous false charges, then Hillary Clinton has nothing to worry about, right? So she won’t mind if the Justice Department takes a close look at the facts. She won’t mind, perhaps, if they interview some of the Clinton Foundation’s top donors to see how they benefited from the sale of Uranium One to the Russians. Because it’s all false charges and politicization and vast right wing conspiracies as far as they eye can see, there’s really no problem, then is there?
    Article from FIX this Nation

      1. ARTPSYCH says

        I don’t go to websites that could possibly be virus infected..much like the prognosis of leftism of the brain.

        1. Kol says

          I couldn’t care less if your do or don’t.

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